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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Tuesday edition of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

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Speaker 2: kicks off right now, and we got a lot to

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Speaker 2: get to with all of you. Just a little preview.

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Speaker 2: Our friend Carol Markowitz at The Carol Markowitz Show will

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Speaker 2: be here an hour two. She just got back from

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Speaker 2: a trip to Israel. She'll talk to us about that.

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Speaker 2: Author and a gen Z streamer, Isabelle Brown, is going

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Speaker 2: to be with us in the third hour to talk about, well,

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Speaker 2: gen Z, is it the end of America? Or can

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Speaker 2: gen Z actually help save America? I am learning, you know,

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Speaker 2: gen Z has all this lingo, and this is when

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Speaker 2: you definitely feel your generation. When you're learning the lingo

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Speaker 2: like you're learning a foreign language. There are phrases that

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Speaker 2: they use, and I'm like, I don't even know what

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Speaker 2: is gen Z? Do you know the years?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's two thousand. Is that right?

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Speaker 2: It's born after two thousand.

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Speaker 1: I think I need to I think my kids are

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Speaker 1: gen Z. I think I've got a couple of gen

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Speaker 1: Z kids. I'm not sure all of the years kind

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Speaker 1: of run together. Isabelle Brown does really good stuff. I've

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Speaker 1: seen her stuff a lot on Instagram, and you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how to do anything on Instagram other

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Speaker 1: than share the videos that other people post for me.

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Speaker 1: That's when I feel like an old man, like I buck.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know how to do a filter on

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Speaker 1: a phone, like a change a picture like I don't

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Speaker 1: know how to do any of that stuff. So before

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Speaker 1: we get out our walkers and start talking about the

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Speaker 1: good old days, here we got.

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Speaker 2: More news for you. The Trump is raging as he

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Speaker 2: will be forced to sell off great assets. That's a

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Speaker 2: quote at fire sale prices to pay the four hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifty million dollars New York fraud fine. We've got

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Speaker 2: some of his truth social rants to get into. The

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Speaker 2: Supreme Court has indefinitely blocked Texas from enforcing any immigration law.

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Speaker 2: So to be clear, the government has decided the federal

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Speaker 2: governments in the Supreme Court is the only only arbiter

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Speaker 2: of anything having to do with a border. A state

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Speaker 2: is not allowed to enforce the border. I wonder if

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Speaker 2: Texas may just try to call the bluff here and

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Speaker 2: keep going with it. But nonetheless, we've got Letitia James

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Speaker 2: making some very ominous threats about what's going to happen

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Speaker 2: in Trump world. We have Peter Navarro former. You ever

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Speaker 2: interviewer or meet him, Clay, I've interviewed, we have him

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Speaker 2: on the show, ever, I can't remember. Yeah, we did once. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I back in the Trump era when he was president.

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Speaker 2: I remember interviewing Peter a few times on trade stuff.

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Speaker 2: Peter Navarro, everybody is an ex White House aide who

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Speaker 2: is turning himself into federal prison today. Federal prison for

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Speaker 2: Peter Navarro for refusing to comply with the House Select

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Speaker 2: Committee show trial over January sixth. Very very rare for

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Speaker 2: someone to be sent to prison for contempt of Congress.

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Speaker 2: But that is what is going on here. So they're

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Speaker 2: breaking rules, They're breaking norms all over the place. Also,

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump has sued George Stephanopolopolas and ABC News for

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Speaker 2: alleged defamation. We could assess that, but you know, Trump's

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Speaker 2: got other legal things we're gonna get into here, Clay,

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Speaker 2: Let's start with this. I want to give everyone a

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Speaker 2: few of Trump's truths, a couple of Trump's truth social

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Speaker 2: posts here because he's up against the deadline right now.

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Speaker 2: On Monday. Letitia James, the New York State Attorney General

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Speaker 2: can start seizing assets for the judgment for an unpaid

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Speaker 2: court judgment in the state of New York. Here's what

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Speaker 2: Trump is saying about it. And then, Clay, you tell

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Speaker 2: me where you think this is going. The corrupt political

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Speaker 2: hacks in New York judge and ag are asking me

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Speaker 2: to put up massive amounts of money before I'm allowed

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Speaker 2: to appeal the ridiculous decision never done before, no jury,

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Speaker 2: no vict him, full disclaimer, clause, happy banks, election interference,

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Speaker 2: all caps, witch hunt, all caps play. All of that

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Speaker 2: is true. But I don't know how Trump manages to

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Speaker 2: get around this. I'm trying to look at what are

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Speaker 1: So we talked about this a few weeks ago and

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Speaker 1: very efficient to be sitting on piles of cash.

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Speaker 2: You want your money to be working for you.

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Speaker 1: And so I said that I thought Trump was probably

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Speaker 1: Now he's got to put forward four hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: the verdict against his businesses, and he doesn't have that cash.

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Speaker 1: And we have talked on this program. I have a

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Speaker 1: small pinprick of the real estate assets that Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: would have, but buck I have seen. For instance, I

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Speaker 1: own a part of nearly twenty acres of commercial real

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Speaker 1: part of a group there and we went to go

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Speaker 1: refi and the bank just refused to refi, so we

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Speaker 1: had to buy it out completely. And I don't know

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Speaker 1: if I talked about this on the show, but that

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Speaker 1: is emblematic of what's going on right now with many

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Speaker 1: different commercial real estate assets all over the country. Banks

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Speaker 1: and so they're not willing to REFI right now.

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Speaker 2: Well, Clay, but it's I mean, it's much worse than that, right,

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Speaker 2: because it's not that the banks were afraid to do

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Speaker 2: something for you because you are hitler and about to

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Speaker 2: end the republic. And this is the part of it

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Speaker 2: that I've said, I've said for a long time on

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Speaker 2: radio that you don't have to burn down all the villages.

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Speaker 2: You only have to burn down one, and the rest

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Speaker 2: of the villagers often get the idea. And with Trump,

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Speaker 2: they are sending a message not just politically to anybody

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Speaker 2: who would support Trump, but also financially. All these buildings

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Speaker 2: that people are looking at and saying, well, it's worth

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Speaker 2: hundreds of millions, and Trump Tower and these different properties

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Speaker 2: that he owns. What percentage of the property does he own.

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Speaker 2: We don't know how many partners does he have, what

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Speaker 2: even if he wanted to liquidate some of these buildings,

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Speaker 2: it's not clear which ones he would be able to

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Speaker 2: override the others. And if he could get everyone to

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Speaker 2: agree to liquid Let's just say he did own eighty

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Speaker 2: he could liquidate it. Who wants to be the buyer?

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Speaker 2: There's actually no incentive to be the buyer right now

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Speaker 2: because the price is only going down. Trump is being

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Speaker 2: the used car lot saying I'm not leaving here with that.

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Speaker 2: I'll go to prison unless I buy one of your cars.

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Speaker 2: That only forces the price down, right, So they create

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Speaker 2: a spiral of all this additional pressure. Nobody wants to

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Speaker 2: do business with him. Nobody wants to be involved in

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Speaker 2: bailing him out. I'm talking about that from the business perspective,

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Speaker 2: And they basically serve their own interest by waiting and

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Speaker 2: seeing how low some of these prices will go.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so it's not only that they've come after him,

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Speaker 1: it's that they've happened to end up coming after him

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Speaker 1: commercial real estate since two thousand and eight. So even

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Speaker 1: if he wanted to liquidate assets, that's why Look mar

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Speaker 1: A Lago. I don't know what percentage of mar A

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Speaker 1: Lago he owns. They valued it at eighteen million dollars.

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Speaker 1: Palm Beach for what almost one hundred and fifty million dollars,

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Speaker 1: and I have been to mar A Lago several times.

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Speaker 1: I believe it's eighteen acres. It's both fronting the canal

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Speaker 1: think that mar A Lago is probably worth four hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifty or five hundred million dollars right now. I

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Speaker 1: don't think that's a crazy number. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: percentage of it Trump owns. But this is why I

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Speaker 1: said on yesterday's program, I would like to think that

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Speaker 1: this is financial shenanigans. Let me see your assets. I'll

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Speaker 1: give you a loan. I don't want you worried about this.

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Speaker 1: They're coming after you entirely because of politics. Now is

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Speaker 1: somebody willing to do it?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Well, Clay, the other part of it

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Speaker 2: is he could lose on appeal and then this which.

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Speaker 1: Is why you have the assets, which is why the

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Speaker 1: assets have to be supporting the valuation here, right, Or.

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Speaker 2: What I'm saying is, who thinks that Trump is going

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Speaker 2: to pay them back at that point?

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Speaker 1: Well, that's why you have to have the asset bonded, right,

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Speaker 1: Like you have to say at that point, okay, then

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Speaker 1: I have the collateral. I'll put a valuation on mar

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Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is, if a billionaire comes along

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Speaker 2: and says I'll write check, I'll write Trump a check

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Speaker 2: for the four hundred and fifty four million dollars, that's

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Speaker 2: actually more, by the way, you have to put up

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Speaker 2: twice the twice the value in a bond. But let's

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Speaker 2: just say that they gave Trump the liquid assets. That's

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Speaker 2: if you went for a surety bond. And again I'm

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Speaker 2: not pretending like i've you know, this is like a

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Speaker 2: specific area of the law, and this is what I've

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Speaker 2: learned from reading about it, but also talking to people

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Speaker 2: on the on the real estate side of the house. Clay,

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Speaker 2: if he loses that money, that money is gone, right, correct.

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Speaker 2: So now so now you're the billionaire. You gave Trump

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Speaker 2: five hundred million dollars or close to it, So you're

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Speaker 2: just not getting five hundred million dollars. No, No, I'm

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Speaker 2: saying you would have to collateralize that in some way

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Speaker 2: as a loon. Now what the valuation is of mar

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Speaker 2: Lago or something else. Like, I'm not just giving somebody

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Speaker 2: four hundred and fifty million dollars without a collateralized uh,

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Speaker 2: you know, asset attached to it. Yeah, I mean, good luck,

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Speaker 2: good luck trying to enforce that one. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: don't know. I think that's that. The problem here is

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Speaker 2: what's the incentive structure for somebody else to step in

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Speaker 2: and do it. I mean it would have to be

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Speaker 2: somebody who say, who has so much money, who says,

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Speaker 2: I this is good at the country, Yeah, the good

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Speaker 2: of the country. And what I'm saying is it's not

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Speaker 2: a good investment, right, I mean you're yeah, I agree,

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Speaker 2: we agree there. You would not do it because you're like,

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Speaker 2: oh my god, this is a must have, Like you're

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Speaker 2: doing it because you think Crump's getting screwed and you

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Speaker 2: want to provide support to him. Usually a bomb.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: Even if a bank did this or a surety bonder's

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Speaker 2: they take a percentage. It's like a fee structure involved.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is a business transaction of some sort.

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Speaker 2: And that's what you're talking about, the collateralized sense for

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Speaker 2: a white Night to come along and write the check.

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Speaker 2: You know, you may not see that money ever again,

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Speaker 2: or at least for five years or ten years or

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Speaker 2: whatever it may be. And who knows at that point, right?

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Speaker 1: For governor, baby, like this is all a play politically

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. I love JK.

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Speaker 1: Jk Rowling tweeted the number of people who feel compelled

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Speaker 4: I don't think this case is about Trump anymore. I

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Speaker 1: system to protect their ability to maintain their ownership of

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Speaker 1: a property. They made a million dollar asset in Miami

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Speaker 1: or South Florida because they don't want to have assets

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Speaker 1: that could be taken from them in Venezuela if they

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Speaker 1: get on the wrong side of the law, or they

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Speaker 1: don't want to have assets taken from them in Columbia

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Speaker 1: or any of these other Latin American locations.

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Speaker 2: And the even warclay in those places, the law is

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Speaker 2: whatever the dictator in charge said it is. There really

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Speaker 2: is no law. It's just being on the wrong side

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Speaker 2: of the people who call the shots.

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Speaker 1: And I would say, you said, if you have conservative beliefs,

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Speaker 1: and I know I said that in the open too,

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Speaker 1: but really what the American judicial system is based on,

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Speaker 1: and this is where I still have some faith, although

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Speaker 1: again this is me speaking as a lawyer, is that

448
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Speaker 1: the law is not going to be completely constructed to

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Speaker 1: come after an individual based on his or her political leanings.

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Speaker 1: There is no comparison. I think you could say that

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Speaker 1: for two hundred and forty plus years, by and large,

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Speaker 1: I can't think of an American political figure that has

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Speaker 1: had all of the legal system as set up against.

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Speaker 2: Them, can you. I mean, like any time in.

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Speaker 1: History in our lives, I can't think of a similar

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Speaker 1: situation to this.

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Speaker 2: So I used to do this exercise years ago on radio,

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Speaker 2: and I think I've mentioned it here before with Uclay,

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Speaker 2: where I would say, think of politicized prosecution. Many times

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Speaker 2: that happens on the right versus the left. And you

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Speaker 2: sit there and you go through what they did to

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Speaker 2: Rick Perry, tried to Rick Perry in Texas, Scott Walker, Wisconsin.

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump's the biggest one of all time obviously we'll

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Speaker 2: get to that in a second. I put that in it.

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Speaker 2: That's its own category.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but even going after Chris Christy on Bridgegate, and

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Speaker 2: going after Bob McDonald and Virginia, and going after Ted

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Speaker 2: Stevens in Alaska, there was misconduct effectively abuse and or

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Speaker 2: misconduct from prosecutors in all of those cases. And those

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Speaker 2: are involving senators and governors. There is nothing even remotely

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Speaker 2: like that against Democrats. Right, They are playing the game

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Speaker 2: for keeps, and they are playing dirty. And we sit here,

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Speaker 2: we wave around a copy pocket copy of the Constitution.

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Speaker 2: Say hold on a minute, and I understand that sentiment,

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Speaker 2: but that's not gonna save us Donald Trump, we sit here, Okay.

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Speaker 2: So he has he has the uh, the New York

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Speaker 2: State civil judgment against him, He has the Egen Carol

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Speaker 2: lawsuit against him, which is an which is an indefensible

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Speaker 2: lawsuit effectively, Right, if a jury doesn't like you, yeah,

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Speaker 2: we believe this woman. You can't prove that you didn't

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Speaker 2: grab some woman in a in a department store thirty

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Speaker 2: years ago or four, No one can, right, she didn't.

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Speaker 2: She didn't prove to prove the negative. It's you know,

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Speaker 2: she couldn't even prove she or he were there. I mean,

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Speaker 2: there's there's nothing. And then you go down. You've got

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Speaker 2: the four criminal trials as well, and as we've said before,

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Speaker 2: what are the chants And it's all happening in the

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Speaker 2: election year. Yes, this is There's only two options, the

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Speaker 2: weaponization of the system or you know, the end of

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Speaker 2: like the space time continuum as we know it. Because

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Speaker 2: this is the most unlikely thing to happen since the

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Speaker 2: beginning of the Big Bang theory. I mean, this is

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Speaker 2: completely in.

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Speaker 1: The analogy I've made, and no one has been able

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Speaker 1: to give me. One is find me a guy over

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Speaker 1: seventy five years old who has never faced felony charges

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Speaker 1: in his life, that then faces felony charges in four

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Speaker 1: different jurisdictions post seventy five. I cannot No one has

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Speaker 1: been able to point me to a case like this

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Speaker 1: in the history of the United States. And I mean again,

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Speaker 1: four different jurisdictions post seventy five, because you know, there

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Speaker 1: are lots of people out there who've had a lifetime

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Speaker 1: of crime, and so there might suddenly be more charges

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Speaker 1: brought against you after the age of seventy five. But

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Speaker 1: to never be charged with a felony and then face

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Speaker 1: four felony charges after the age of seventy five and

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Speaker 1: four different jurisdictions. I don't think it's ever happened in

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Speaker 1: American history.

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Speaker 2: And when I look at what they've done to Peter Navarro,

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Speaker 2: who has an executive privileged claim, that's why he didn't

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Speaker 2: want to go into this show trit Right. It's not

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Speaker 2: like he just said I don't feel like it. He said, no,

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Speaker 2: I was. There's an executive privilege. Now you can agree

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Speaker 2: or disagree with this, but there is some real basis

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Speaker 2: for why he didn't want to go in and give

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Speaker 2: this testimony. So it's clearly a politicized committee. But Clay,

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Speaker 2: he's he's showing up today to a basically a prison

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Speaker 2: facility for senior citizens or like the Senior Citizens Wing. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Peter Navarro is going to spend the next ninety days

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Speaker 2: wearing prison issued clothing, and you know he's going to

522
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Speaker 2: be in bunk beds. Unfortunately he's not in general population.

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Speaker 2: I'll be with other senior citizens, right. But you know,

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Speaker 2: I look at this. I bring this up because all along,

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Speaker 2: I think there's been this sense in our heads, the

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Speaker 2: Democrats as much as they despise this country, they're not

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Speaker 2: willing to completely nuke the whole thing by locking up

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Speaker 2: a former president. And I see what they're doing to

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Speaker 2: Peter Navarro, and I think to myself, why do we

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Speaker 2: believe that anymore? Let's say Donald Trump didn't win, which

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Speaker 2: I you know, could happen if he didn't win. How

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Speaker 2: confident are we that Joe Biden would even try to

533
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Speaker 2: keep him out of prison if he was president going forward?

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Speaker 2: Peter Navarro is an old man who served his country,

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Speaker 2: and they're locking him up. They sent Trump's senior citizen accountant.

536
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Speaker 2: Can't remember the guy's name on my head. They sent

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Speaker 2: me Weiselberg. Weiselberg. I think something like that to Rikers

538
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Speaker 2: island over nonsense. So I think it's important for those

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Speaker 2: of us who are emotionally and psychologically healthy, also known

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Speaker 2: as conservatives in the American political landscape, to understand how

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Speaker 2: crazy the other side really is. Do you, I mean,

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Speaker 2: do you are you totally confident they wouldn't lock Trump

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Speaker 2: up if they could. I think they would.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I think that they would one hundred percent lock

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Speaker 1: him up. My concern is, you know, we haven't really

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Speaker 1: mentioned it because this happened on Friday. I'm sure you

547
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Speaker 1: talked about it, but they're bumping now back the Trump

548
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Speaker 1: case in New York City, the Alvin Bragg case to

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Speaker 1: the earliest start of mid April ish. They may move

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Speaker 1: it back into April into May. We'll see exactly how

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Speaker 1: that case ends up going. My concern is, and I

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Speaker 1: think I've talked about this, they're now recognizing that the

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Speaker 1: odds of them getting a case conviction in DC, Atlanta

554
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Speaker 1: or South Florida is moving towards zero before the election.

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Speaker 1: My thought is that's going to make them even more

556
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Speaker 1: aggressive with Trump in the Alvin Bragg case, and they

557
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Speaker 1: may try to put him in prison if they get

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Speaker 1: a conviction.

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Speaker 2: They are on the bookkeeping issues, which the whole thing is,

560
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Speaker 2: as we know, they just want to get a conviction, right,

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Speaker 2: a conviction in any of these so they can call

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Speaker 2: him a criminal, which they've been doing for years based

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Speaker 2: on nothing. And you know I mentioned this yesterday. We

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Speaker 2: didn't get into it. There is some data out there

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Speaker 2: showing some polling, I should say, showing that one third

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Speaker 2: of Americans this is from yesterday, are less likely to

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Speaker 2: support Trump in twenty twenty four if he is convicted

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Speaker 2: in the hush money payment case. But of course I

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Speaker 2: want to know who's that one third. I mean, like,

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Speaker 2: what does that mean?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very vague, But also I think all of

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Speaker 1: New York City is off the table. I mean, if

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Speaker 1: you if your opinion of Trump did not change based

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Speaker 1: on the Egene Carol sexual assault case. I don't think

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Speaker 1: most people even understand the difference between civil and criminal,

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Speaker 1: then why would your opinion change based on a bookkeeping conviction.

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Speaker 1: I think most people and if it didn't change based

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Speaker 1: on the civil forfeiture case, business, I think most reasonable

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Speaker 1: people are just like, yeah, New York City hates Trump,

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Speaker 1: and they've kind of written all of that off. So

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Speaker 1: I don't think that there's going to be And by

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Speaker 1: the way, I'm not sure they're going to get a

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Speaker 1: conviction in that Alvin Bragg case, which would really be

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Speaker 1: the ultimate black guy buck. Can you imagine if they

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Speaker 1: just had one Patriot on that jury that said this

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Speaker 1: is an absurd case.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not going to I pulled up this

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Speaker 2: IPSOS poll. By the way, this is when I was

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Speaker 2: referring to they're pulling a lot of different things out

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Speaker 2: of it. You know what, why don't we want to

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Speaker 2: get into a little bit and takee we'll talk about

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Speaker 2: that back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about when we come back in the meantime. Look,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. Let's run

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Speaker 1: through some of these calls all over the country. People

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Speaker 1: wanting to weigh in on the civil forfeiture preceeding the

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Speaker 1: four hundred and fifty million dollars that Trump would own,

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Speaker 1: would owe as he's being attacked by the State of

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Speaker 1: New York.

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Speaker 2: Sean in the up of Michigan. Where are you in

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Speaker 2: the up Sean.

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Speaker 3: In Paynesdale, Michigan. All right, I one of the highest

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Speaker 3: points in Michigan.

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Speaker 1: Actually, well, the up. I think in the summer, I'm

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Speaker 1: not a cold weather guy. Is maybe the most underrated

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Speaker 1: place in the entire United States. My wife's from Michigan. Oh,

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Speaker 1: it's amazing up there, so I know it's still too

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Speaker 1: cold for me.

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Speaker 3: Rnger than anywhere on the face of the planet.

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Speaker 2: It's fantastic. All right, What have you got for us?

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Speaker 3: Number One? I want to I want the president drug tested.

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Speaker 3: And if he can't pass a drug test, he's out.

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Speaker 2: He can't mean you can't Joe Biden.

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Speaker 3: Drug test like any rest of us have to go

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Speaker 3: to work. He doesn't have the ability to jump, right.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what they're shooting him up with, but

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Speaker 1: they certainly are shooting him up with stuff every time

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Speaker 1: he has to speak.

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Speaker 2: But that's funny. And what's your second part.

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Speaker 3: Right, I don't I'm not allowed to be shot up

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Speaker 3: with stuff every day to go to work, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: So I think there should be I think there should

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Speaker 3: be a consequence so that the president should be drug

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Speaker 3: tested every single day.

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Speaker 2: But he's not taking like Schedule one pro. He's not

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Speaker 2: sitting there just giving him like yeah, yeah, I mean

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Speaker 2: he's you know, he's taking probably prescription stuff.

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Speaker 3: Well, he's doing a civil job, right, He's doing a

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Speaker 3: civil servants job. He's protecting us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, but I think that okay.

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Speaker 1: But then the second question you had was you want

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Speaker 1: to know why Trump can't just declare bankruptcy, right, Well.

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Speaker 2: Well he could could He could, and then it would

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Speaker 2: be really easy to start seizing and dividing his assets.

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Speaker 2: Plus he would be bankrupt Trump, which would give them

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Speaker 2: exactly what they want. Yeah, you'd go in front of

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Speaker 2: a bankruptcy court. You'd have to say, you know that

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Speaker 2: that's like a nightmare scenario for someone in Trump's situation

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Speaker 2: right now, given the way the system has turned against him.

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Speaker 1: Hey, and I think also clearly he has more than

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Speaker 1: four hundred and fifty million dollars in assets. So the

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Speaker 1: idea of declaring bankruptcy, now he could forfeit a particular

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Speaker 1: aspect of his of his assets, right, But that's a

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Speaker 1: whole mess too.

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Speaker 2: He is not thank you for calling in Sean, Trump

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Speaker 2: is not bankrupt, or rather, this will not bankrupt him,

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Speaker 2: but he is insolvent. He is unable to meet this

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Speaker 2: short term cash obligation. But this could cause further problems

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Speaker 2: with his businesses, and in remember they're running, I believe

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Speaker 2: right now. Have you seen this the interest on this Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and they're calculating the interest, they're adding it to the total.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's like a mob. It's like you know

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Speaker 2: when you get a few points from a loan shark,

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Speaker 2: ninety thousand dollars a day. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And they started the interest tolling running in twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 1: so they have gone back like five years on the

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Speaker 1: interest payments. So the whole thing is is is a

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Speaker 1: complete cham And again, regardless of your politics, the idea

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Speaker 1: that the state of New York could just come after

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Speaker 1: you like this, I think there are many Democrats, Republicans,

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Speaker 1: people with assets who are looking around saying, if you've

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Speaker 1: ever taken a loan, remember the crazy thing about this story.

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Speaker 2: There's no victim.

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Speaker 1: The bank got paid back, the bank doesn't have any

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Speaker 1: problem with the loan at all, and they've never used

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Speaker 1: civil forfeiture by and large in this magnitude or this

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Speaker 1: manner in the history of the State of New York.

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Speaker 2: There is no act of fraud here because he would

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Speaker 2: have had to not only assess the value of these

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Speaker 2: properties himself, they would have asked for independent assessment. The

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Speaker 2: banks would have looked over those independent assessments. They may

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Speaker 2: have done their additional independent assessments and due diligence, and

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Speaker 2: there was nothing fraudulent in this. Right. If Trump had

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Speaker 2: said mar Lago is worth five billion dollars because there's

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Speaker 2: like massive oil deposits underneath it and forge that paperwork,

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Speaker 2: that's fraud. But for him to say I think it's

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Speaker 2: worth X, have an assessor or somebody who does a

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Speaker 2: property assessment of it say I agree, and the banks

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Speaker 2: to say, yeah, Clay, that's just doing business.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we're going to take some more of your

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Speaker 1: calls when we come back, because a lot of you

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Speaker 1: went away in I do think this is a significant story,

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Speaker 1: one other bit of news that is out there.

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Speaker 2: I think it's Uh, it's kind of fascinating. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Trump has evidently eliminated the Veke as a VP candidate.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk a little bit about that. Who is the

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Speaker 2: Trump VP going to be?

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Speaker 1: If the Veke is now out of the running, does

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Speaker 1: that make it more likely that Tim Scott, who would

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Speaker 1: be my current pick, is going to be the pick?

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Speaker 2: Does he is he still.

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Speaker 1: Interested in in in elevating a woman as his VP?

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Speaker 2: What do you think? What is the lactation. Don't get

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Speaker 2: any ideas. You've got a job here and Laura it

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Speaker 2: needs your help with the three boys. All right, So

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Speaker 2: you're you're we're pulling you out of contention along with Viveke.

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Speaker 1: Not that I can't. I can't take the pay cut.

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Speaker 1: We're building the house. I I'm staying here. I'm not

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Speaker 1: going anyway.

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Speaker 2: Ye yeah,