1 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: All right, it's now time to welcome in one of 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: my favorite people in baseball. That would be our very 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: own Ken Rosenthal, senior writer for the Athletic mlbon Foxfield 4 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: reporter insider for us here at fel Territory. Ken, you 5 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: just got back from the GM meetings. I know there's 6 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 1: a lot of buzz around those meetings. Some of it 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: is earwash, some of it is legit stuff. What was 8 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: the vibe around it? 9 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 2: Tell us there's a lot of eyewash, there's no question 10 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 2: about Atricia. But what's different about the meetings these days, 11 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 2: the GM meetings is that teams are still very busy staffing, 12 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 2: hiring coaches to be with their new managers. In one case, 13 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 2: the Colorado Rockies, they still need to hire a manager. 14 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,599 Speaker 2: So a lot of gms and baseball operations types are 15 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 2: occupy with that. But at the GM meetings generally they 16 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 2: do generally start to talk about players. Meetings take place 17 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 2: between teams and agents for free agents. Meetings take place, 18 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 2: or conversations take place between heads of baseball operations for 19 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 2: different clubs. So you'll often hear after the fact that 20 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 2: the groundwork was laid for this deal or this trade. 21 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 2: At the Winter meeting or at the GM meetings, and 22 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 2: that is kind of the function of them. What has 23 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 2: changed a little bit, as I mentioned, is that a 24 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 2: lot of the teams are still occupied with finding coaches, 25 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 2: and it's been a kind of a crazy offseason in 26 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 2: that way, with nine new managers being hired. 27 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk a little bit ahead. 28 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:34,919 Speaker 3: Does it give you a chance to sit there and go, Okay, 29 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 3: I'm rekindling these conversations for you or are you like, yeah, 30 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 3: I could probably have just texted this person. 31 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 2: Actually, Eric, it's a great question you ask. I could 32 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 2: text everybody, and you might even say the GM meetings 33 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 2: and the winter meetings are obsolete for that reason. However, 34 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 2: you do get to see people in person, and it's 35 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 2: nice to see people you haven't seen a long time, 36 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 2: not just gms and agents, but also writers, and from 37 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 2: that perspective, there is that human face to face element. 38 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 2: We don't get a lot of face time with these guys. 39 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 2: They're kind of busy, and they give us one hour 40 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 2: of availability with the American League heads at Baseball operations 41 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 2: and then one hour with the National League on different days. 42 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 2: But I always think there's value, much more value to 43 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 2: talking to someone face to face than texting them. I'm 44 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 2: old school. 45 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 4: Ken question for you. I know baseball is a little 46 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 4: bit different as its free agency because we don't have 47 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 4: a salary cap. But what's stopping teams from just making 48 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 4: things happen, you know, saying I want Edwin de Weez 49 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 4: and just going to get them the first day of 50 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 4: free agency. I know there's arbitration, I know there's qualifying 51 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 4: offers teams have to figure out. But we have smart people. 52 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,119 Speaker 4: You could kind of figure out your salary what these 53 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 4: projected arbitration numbers are going to be. You know, maybe 54 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 4: if a guy gets a qualifying offer. But why is 55 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 4: baseball the only sport when free agency opens, nothing ever happens? 56 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:00,959 Speaker 2: Kevin, This is a great question. A lot of fans 57 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 2: have this question too. Why does this drag on for 58 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 2: three months now? Some fans actually like it because baseball 59 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,399 Speaker 2: remains in the news rather than having free agency over 60 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 2: in four days. But it seems to me that the 61 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 2: reason the calendar works like it does and the pace 62 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:19,239 Speaker 2: is what it is is because there's no deadline. And 63 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 2: when we have the trade deadline, you see action, and 64 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 2: you see the action peaking on the last day because 65 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 2: the deadline is driving that movement. We don't have that 66 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 2: in baseball, and for whatever reason, these things seem to 67 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 2: go at their own pace. The winter meetings are often 68 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 2: a center of activity, but even then only certain things happen. 69 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 2: They're not everything, and you'll see deals drag into late December, January, 70 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 2: even February. It's just the way baseball works. I don't 71 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 2: like it. I don't know that anyone in the sport 72 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 2: likes it. Actually, there are a lot of people on 73 00:03:56,280 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 2: all sides of the spectrum, media, baseball, operations, agents, Everyone 74 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 2: would like to see this compressed, at least in terms 75 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 2: of their own personal lives. But the union does not 76 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 2: want to set any deadlines because they believe that restricts 77 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 2: the market. Somehow. I would argue that maybe it would 78 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,239 Speaker 2: drive the market, but that's always been the union's position, 79 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 2: no restrictions on the market whatsoever. 80 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, that was going to be my follow up is 81 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 4: if could they implement a deadline? And then the other 82 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 4: question is I feel like from a player's perspective, we 83 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 4: always kind of assume that the longer you waited, the 84 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 4: fear became on the player to the pressure to sign 85 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 4: maybe a deal. Do you think there's a way around 86 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 4: either of those two things. 87 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 2: As for a deadline, there have been ideas floated. It 88 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 2: would have to be collectively bargained, both the players and 89 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 2: the teams. The owners would have to agree upon it, 90 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 2: and it would seem to me that it could be 91 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 2: structured in a way where it worked for everyone. Maybe 92 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 2: you have a trade deadline at the winter meetings where 93 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 2: no trades after the end the Winter Meetings, and then 94 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 2: the free agent market would open up right then. There 95 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 2: are all kinds of ways you could do it. And Kevin, 96 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 2: there's no question too, the teams use the calendar to 97 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 2: their advantage. They wait and wait and wait and try 98 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 2: to squeeze certain segments of the market. Maybe there are 99 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 2: an excess number of relievers that hey, if we just wait, 100 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 2: these guys are going to panic and they'll sign for less. 101 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 2: There is no doubt that that takes place. 102 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: Ken I just want to say that I agree with 103 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: you on the old school face to face stuff. I 104 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 1: don't ever want to go back to the pandemic. You 105 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: remember when we couldn't even see anybody face to face, 106 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: and there is a value. I teach my students that 107 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 1: all the time. I'm like there's so it's so valuable 108 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: to be face to face with the people that you cover. 109 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: There's just something about talking to them in person. So 110 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 1: I'm glad that the GM meetings are still in person 111 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 1: and the Winter meetings are still in person. And you 112 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 1: can't just text these guys all the time. I mean 113 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 1: you can, you can blow up their phone if you 114 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: want to, but face to face is always better. Let's 115 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about what you just wrote, Ken 116 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: about the Mets with Edwin Diaz on the market. You said, 117 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: a perfect storm is brewing for the Mets to lose him. 118 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: We know that he's testing free agency the first time 119 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 1: he wants that payday. We also know what has been 120 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: said from the Mets not afraid to replace him by 121 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 1: diving into a large market for closers. Right now, what's 122 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: the latest. 123 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 2: The latest is what Edward Diaz said last night at 124 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 2: the MLB Awards, which is that he's fifty to fifty 125 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 2: to re sign with the Mets now, Tricia, obviously, and 126 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 2: you know this, everyone knows this. At this time of year, 127 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 2: there's only so much you can believe about what is 128 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 2: coming out of anyone's mouth, and it's kind of up 129 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 2: to people like me to figure out what's real and 130 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 2: what isn't. Now, what's real here is Toronto. The Blue 131 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 2: Jays want to add high leverage reliever and a starting pitcher, 132 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 2: not necessarily in that order. The starter actually is the 133 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 2: priority right now. But we all saw what happened in 134 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 2: Game seven of the World Series. Two outs away, Jeff 135 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 2: Hoffman gives up the home run to Miguel Rojas. For 136 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 2: the Blue Jays, it would make a ton of sense, 137 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 2: and they are motivated right now to do things. We 138 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 2: know that. We also know that David Stearns, as president 139 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 2: of base Operations of the Mets, is a guy who 140 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 2: is disciplined. He adheres to, or tries to, certain thresholds 141 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 2: for certain players. He doesn't want to go above. He 142 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 2: will in response to the market. But if a team 143 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 2: pushes the Mets, and it doesn't have to be the 144 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 2: Blue Jays, I focused on them for the most part 145 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 2: in this column, but it could be the Yankees. It 146 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 2: could be the Tigers, it could be the Braves, it 147 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 2: could be the Dodgers. Any number of teams might say, 148 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 2: you know what I really want Edwin Diaz. Now he's 149 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 2: a reliever, and relievers making one hundred million dollars over 150 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 2: the course of a contract over five years. That's a risk, 151 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 2: there's no question about that. And Edwin Diaz is going 152 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 2: to pitch next season at thirty two. But as we know, 153 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 2: all it takes in free agency is one team, and 154 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 2: Diaz has been that good, he's by far the best 155 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 2: closer on this market. That maybe one team jumps, and 156 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 2: then that's the perfect storm. If it's the Blue Jays, 157 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 2: for instance, a team that is motivated when you have 158 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 2: a proud player who wants to be recognized for what 159 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 2: he has achieved. He had a great deal the last time, 160 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 2: but he wants a similar type deal this time. And 161 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 2: then you have a Mets team that, yes, of course, 162 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 2: with Steve Cohen as their owner, might just simply say 163 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 2: we'll pay him whatever we need to pay him, but 164 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 2: not necessarily. So all of these things, I don't know 165 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 2: that any of it will take place, Tritcher, But what 166 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 2: I wanted to outline in this article, and I know 167 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 2: there were some people in the comments saying, what's the 168 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:35,199 Speaker 2: point here? It's clickbait's the usual trolling, But there is 169 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:38,319 Speaker 2: a point, and the point is here is a scenario. 170 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 2: Here are the situations at hand in this particular case 171 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 2: and how it might repeat might develop. 172 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 3: Does the amount of people on the market, not just people, 173 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,559 Speaker 3: the amount of high end Robert Suarez, the fact that 174 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 3: now I guess Pete Fairbanks would be below Suarez and 175 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:02,599 Speaker 3: Devin Williams and Edwin does that make the closer I 176 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 3: don't even call it the reliever market, because everybody says 177 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 3: they need a reliever. Does that make the closer market 178 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 3: the one that's possibly gonna go first because of as 179 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 3: much high end talent. If there was just one guy, 180 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 3: then it would be like, ah, I can drag this out. 181 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 3: I'm the absolute BEA's knees here. 182 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 2: Possibly, Eric and I say possibly, because it's always im 183 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 2: possible to predict how this is all going to play out. 184 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 2: But I would think that if a team jumps out 185 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 2: on one of these guys, this is often the case 186 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 2: what happens in free agency. You see a run on closers, 187 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 2: you might see a run on middle relievers, at one 188 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 2: point on outfielders. So yes, it's possible that this happens quickly. 189 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:47,319 Speaker 2: And it's also possible the team's posture and they wait, 190 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 2: and the players wait as well for what they want 191 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 2: and they're not getting it, and this drags out for 192 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 2: ever long it might drag out. So it's really hard 193 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 2: to predict timing. Obviously, with no deadline, it's really difficult. 194 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 2: So I'm not sure exactly how it might go. But 195 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 2: if you're asking, is there a world in which this 196 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 2: kind of starts to happen going into the Winter meetings 197 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 2: and right after, yes, I would think that is the case. 198 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 4: I want to beat a dead horse. I want to 199 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 4: go back to our previous conversation. Do players, agents, and 200 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 4: even executives feel like they lose leverage if they just 201 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 4: have a little bit of transparency? Like what's the harm 202 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 4: in a team coming out and say we'd love to 203 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,439 Speaker 4: trade for Terrek Scouoble, Like, you know, whether you do 204 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 4: it or not, that's whatever happens behind closed doors. But 205 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 4: why does everything have to be so cryptic? 206 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 2: Actually, Kevin, I have an answer for that. With regard 207 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 2: to trades, it's tampering when you openly say you want 208 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 2: another team's player. With regard to free agency, there are 209 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 2: rules in the Collective Bargaining Agreement about how teams cannot 210 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 2: talk in certain ways about free agents. The reason for 211 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 2: those rules is that from the collusion era, which took 212 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 2: place in the late eighties early nineties and has flared 213 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:08,079 Speaker 2: up again from time to time. Even since public statements 214 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 2: were sometimes used against players and when teams would say 215 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 2: we're out, that would be an effect on the market. 216 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 2: And that is why those rules are in place. So 217 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 2: we don't have transparency, and teams try to be as 218 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 2: careful as they can, and agents and players too for 219 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 2: the most part, with regard to what they're doing. Now 220 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,079 Speaker 2: you will see sometimes it's coming from an agent a 221 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 2: report saying team X, Y and Z are interested in 222 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:39,079 Speaker 2: player C. That can happen, and often it does come 223 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 2: from the agent, but for the most part it's pretty 224 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 2: tightly kept. All of these desires of teams and leverage 225 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,959 Speaker 2: is the reason, and also the rules that I just stated, 226 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 2: that's the other reason. 227 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 3: Ken where you live, there is no rules, so we 228 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 3: can ask you whatever we want to ask you. So 229 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 3: I'm to starting pitching market and not so much free 230 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 3: agency more the hot debate of the trade market. Because 231 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 3: we saw what the Red Sox got when they got 232 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 3: Garak Crochet last year. They got the number two in 233 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 3: the cy Young but ironically number one in cy Young. 234 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 3: Trek's Scouble has been rumored. Where do you see this 235 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 3: market going? And are there other names that are not 236 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:22,559 Speaker 3: are clearly below Schooble but have not been pushed out 237 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 3: there yet. 238 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 2: Well, this is an interesting conversation going on right now, 239 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 2: and it was going on at the meetings about which 240 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 2: starting pitchers might actually get traded. And I wrote about 241 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 2: this in a notes column earlier this week. So the 242 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 2: Tigers are saying they don't want to trade Trek Scooble. 243 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 2: The Brewers are saying, we're not trading Freddie Peralta. Of 244 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 2: course Paul Skens is not getting traded. Even the twins 245 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 2: with Joe Ryan are saying we'd like to build around 246 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 2: Joe Ryan rather than just pedal him. There are some 247 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 2: teams that believe teams that are interested in these pictures, 248 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 2: that these other clubs, the clubs with the starting pitchers, 249 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 2: are merely posturing, and that at the appropriate time they 250 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 2: will certainly open up the conversations to a greater extent 251 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 2: than they are now. And in the Tiger's case, for instance, 252 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 2: it's just a matter of Okay, we'll play hard to get, 253 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 2: play hard to get, and then boom, strike a big 254 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 2: deal that could happen. But the Tigers, from what I understand, 255 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,079 Speaker 2: what they're saying, at least right now, and it might 256 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 2: be bs for lack of a better phrase, but what 257 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 2: they're saying right now is we want to win in 258 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 2: our last year with Trek Schouble. We do not want 259 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 2: to trade him, and it would send a pretty bad 260 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 2: message to their fan base if after two years of 261 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 2: making the playoffs with Schooble being the centerpiece of the team, 262 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 2: that suddenly they shipped him out for pieces that probably 263 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 2: wouldn't be having the same kind of immediate impact. So 264 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 2: I actually believe the Tigers likely will not trade Trek's Scooble. 265 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 2: In some of these other cases, I do wonder if 266 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 2: trades ultimately will occur. I also believe Peralta is not 267 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,319 Speaker 2: going to move the Brewers have been public and adamant about. 268 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 2: But again we'll see as the winter progresses. Once the 269 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 2: free agents come off the board. From bra Valdez Ranger Suarez, 270 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 2: Dylan sees once those top guys are no longer available, 271 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 2: then the pressure might mount on those teams to make 272 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 2: trades from the teams that got shut out in free agency. 273 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: Maybe so sounds like you'd have to offer your firstborn 274 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: to the Tigers if you want. Scooball all right again, 275 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: let's move on to another topic that's been hot recently. 276 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: What information before you have to go real quick? Are 277 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: you hearing about the Padres and the selling of their team? 278 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 2: Not much. It just got announced yesterday by the team 279 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 2: that they will explore a sale. And as I mentioned yesterday, 280 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 2: I believe on my own program that it's kind of 281 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 2: been pointing toward this once Peter Sidler passed away. And 282 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 2: you see the tweet right there from Kyle Glazer. Padres 283 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 2: chairman John Seidler announces in a letter to fans that 284 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 2: the family has decided to begin a process of evaluating 285 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 2: our future with the Padres, including a potential sale of 286 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 2: the franchise. Now, one thing I didn't mention yesterday, and 287 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 2: it's worth mentioning. We've seen in recent years the Twins 288 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 2: come up for sale, the Angels come up for sale, 289 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 2: and the Nationals come up for sale and ultimately get 290 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 2: pulled off the market. Now, the Oriels were sold, the 291 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 2: Rays were sold, there were other transactions Cleveland took on 292 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 2: a path to control with minority investors. But just because 293 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 2: the team says it wants to sell, doesn't guarantee a 294 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 2: sale will take place. Now with the Padres, you have 295 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 2: the widow of Peter Seidler suing two of his brothers, 296 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 2: and it would seem to me that that alone is 297 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 2: motivating this perhaps, but who knows if the Padres get 298 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 2: their price. With the CBA expiring in December one, twenty 299 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 2: twenty six, with all of the TV contracts in baseball 300 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 2: still unsettled, the national TV contracts beyond twenty twenty eight, 301 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 2: and also a lot of local deals, the Padres have 302 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 2: been hurt because they were one of the teams that 303 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 2: had their local deal pulled out from under them. So 304 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 2: whether a sale happens or not, it's difficult to say, 305 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 2: but the intent seems to be there, and it's going 306 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 2: to be really interesting to see how this plays out, Tricia, 307 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 2: because the Padres our team that while they're having difficulties 308 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 2: on the TV side, that a lot of other teams 309 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 2: are having too. Man, they've drawn three million a year. 310 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 2: They are booming in San Diego. An owner or prospective 311 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 2: owner might want to get in on that. 312 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: Absolutely, they are booming in San Diego. Those fans are 313 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: amazing in San Diego. I loved covering the Padres on 314 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: Apple TV this year. Ken, thank you so much. Make 315 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: sure to check out Fair Territory on Mondays and on 316 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: Thursdays with Alana Rizzo. Ken, we appreciate the time. 317 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 2: Thanks Trisha. 318 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: All Right, we are back here on Foul Territory. We're 319 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: talking spreading rumors, and first we got to talk about 320 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: the Mets off season outlook. We talked with Ken a 321 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: little bit about the article that he just wrote about 322 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: the Mets, talking about how it might be a little 323 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: bit of a storm this off season for them. We 324 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: will start with Pete Alonzo, right, we went through this 325 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: tobacco with him last off season, what he was going 326 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: to do, all that stuff. KP, let me start with 327 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: you on Alonso this year because what they're saying or 328 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: this offseason, what they're saying right now, is that the 329 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: Mets are expected to lose him. 330 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, he obviously was very open last year 331 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,120 Speaker 4: about wanting to be a Met and maybe he shot 332 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 4: himself in the foot a little bit and didn't really 333 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 4: put himself out there. And you know, sometimes a player 334 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 4: just knows what they want, and he wanted to be 335 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 4: in New York met and it wasn't reciprocated, and he 336 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 4: went out and had an unbelievable year again, a monster year, 337 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 4: and I think he goes out and test free agency. 338 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 4: But no, I think the Mets have some tough decisions 339 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 4: to make because Pete Alonso is part of the fabric 340 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 4: of what the Mets are and who they've been and 341 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 4: he's been there for a long time. And I think 342 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 4: Steve Cohen's got some tough decisions to make too, because 343 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 4: although the Juan Soto deal didn't work out, from a 344 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 4: personal standpoint, he had an unbelievable year. I think he 345 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 4: finished third in the MVP voting. They didn't make the playoffs, 346 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,439 Speaker 4: so maybe not throwing money at every single player is 347 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 4: maybe not the right way to go about it. But 348 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 4: I feel like if Pete Alonso was not a Met, 349 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 4: that's a big hole to fill at first base. 350 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. I agree. Pete had a down 351 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 3: year going into his his platform year before last year, 352 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 3: and you know what, he got a little he got 353 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 3: a small deal. But I think there is very few 354 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 3: players that are more synonymous with a one organization. I 355 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 3: think Pete. Pete's that guy. I think the Mets also 356 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 3: know with that that they can get him at a 357 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 3: discount because his market is pretty capped because of the 358 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 3: amount of amount of teams that are really trying. 359 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. 360 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: Absolutely, And we know his agent, Scott Boris did say 361 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: recently that Alonso would be willing to spend some time 362 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: at DH, at least sometime at DH next season. All right, 363 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: let's talk a little bit about Edwin Diaz. We just 364 00:18:58,080 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: talked about him a second ago, guys. 365 00:18:59,720 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 4: But. 366 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: We know that he won Reliever of the Year. The 367 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 1: season that he put together was phenomenal, but we are 368 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 1: hearing rumors of him possibly not being a met next season. 369 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 2: KP. 370 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 1: What do you think about that? 371 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 2: What's your reaction? 372 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, unlike Pete, I mean Edwin Diaz, I 373 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 4: could see, you know, wearing a different uniform much easier 374 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 4: than a guy like Pete Alonso, and I think that 375 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 4: plays into his favor. And you know, elite relief pitching 376 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 4: doesn't grow on trees. So yeah, I mean, this is 377 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 4: typical you know, off season free agent baseball fifty to fifty. 378 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 4: Of course it is. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't, 379 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 4: But I think Edwin Diaz obviously had an unbelievable year. 380 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 4: Reliever of the Year opted out of a deal where 381 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 4: he left some money on the table, but I think 382 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 4: he ends up with a really big deal, and I 383 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 4: don't think it's in New York. 384 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 3: I think there's nobody that the Mets need more. I 385 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 3: think they lost so many games because that bullpen got 386 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 3: so ravaged. The fact that Edwin Diaz had ninety two 387 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 3: strikeouts and sixty six innings and only twenty eight saves 388 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 3: shows that this team was either boom or bust and 389 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 3: they never really got the game to him. Like, you 390 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 3: can't be bringing any elite closer that you're paying. Possibly 391 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,959 Speaker 3: he'll get one hundred million dollars in a game where 392 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 3: you're winning by five runs or you're winning, but like 393 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:23,400 Speaker 3: the value there is to keep the game close. They 394 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 3: need a bullpen. They need to build a bullpen, and 395 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 3: you can't build a bullpen with five pieces and none 396 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 3: of them closers. I feel like the Mets, based on 397 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 3: what they did last year, and based on the fact 398 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 3: that David Stearns doesn't like to give starting pitching money 399 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 3: out there, they need an anchor in that bullpen because 400 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 3: you need somebody picking up the innings that you're not 401 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 3: willing to pay starters. So I would disagree with KP. 402 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 3: They need Edwin or one of the other elite closers. 403 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 2: It's out there. Yeah. 404 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: Well that also kind of begs the question about what 405 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,239 Speaker 1: we saw from Bob Nightingale recently. So the Mets are 406 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: expected to land at least one high end starter, and 407 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 1: we know that David Stearns, he came out and he said, listen, 408 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: I don't know how many true number one starters are 409 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: actually available right now. I don't know how many are 410 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: going to be traded. But he said, you know, you 411 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 1: would always like to find that top of the rotation guy. 412 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,880 Speaker 1: So that's got to be a priority for them right now, KP. 413 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, they definitely need to find one. I think 414 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:23,679 Speaker 4: they get a decent job last year of signing starting pitching, 415 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 4: but they didn't go find front end guys. I think 416 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 4: they overpaid for some certain guys that were coming off 417 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 4: some injuries and they were hoping that they had bounced 418 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 4: back years. They have a really good piece in David 419 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 4: Peterson there, but he is not a number one. He's 420 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 4: working his way up to, you know, potentially being that. 421 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 4: But I think they need a frontline and starter much 422 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 4: to like krat said, they need innings. They need innings 423 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 4: because that bullpen got eaten alive because their starters weren't 424 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 4: going deep in games. 425 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,439 Speaker 3: Yep, I agree, I agree, And maybe the front end 426 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 3: one number one isn't what they need. They need somebody 427 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 3: who they're not afraid to let them pitch the need 428 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 3: they need to be. And I don't think it's Mendy Mendy. 429 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,439 Speaker 3: You know, he can't make chicken salad out of chicken, 430 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 3: you know what, Like guys couldn't go deep into the games. 431 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 3: And if you're expecting the young guys that they called 432 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 3: up late in the season to be those guys, I 433 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 3: don't think. I don't think those are the guys. You 434 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 3: need somebody that's not afraid to eat innings. So who 435 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 3: on the market can eat innings? And that's to me, 436 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 3: that's the route you go. And maybe they become your 437 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 3: number one. Maybe they aren't number ones right now, but 438 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 3: because of their ability to go deeper into games and 439 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,919 Speaker 3: the trust that you can have for them, that is 440 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 3: where the value is at all. 441 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 1: Right, guys, we just talked about some rumors. Let's talk 442 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:45,199 Speaker 1: about more rumors from Bob Nightingale. At the GM meetings, 443 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 1: we saw that the Brewers reiterated that they have no 444 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: intention of trading Ace Freddy Peralta. I know that Ken 445 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 1: Rosenthal talked about that. He said, they seem pretty adamant 446 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,360 Speaker 1: to what do we think. I mean that says they 447 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:02,439 Speaker 1: will listen. They say they will listen. But he's only 448 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: owed eight million in the final year of his contract. 449 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: So guys, what do we think? 450 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 4: Kidp You go, yeah, I think those two things contradict 451 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 4: each other. I think someone saying I'm absolutely not gonna 452 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 4: do something, but I'm also gonna listen. I think that's 453 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 4: just baseball free agency in a nutshell. But I mean, 454 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 4: Freddy Perolta would be a great fit in New York. 455 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 4: We talked about someone that's, you know, not afraid to 456 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 4: take the ball, go deep into games, durable. He seems 457 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 4: like a great fit for the Mets. But he's also 458 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 4: a great fit in Milwaukee. He's been there. He's their guy. 459 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 4: You know, he worked his way up to being that 460 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 4: number one. He sat behind Burns and Woodruff for a 461 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 4: long time and they had an unbelievable rotation. It's now 462 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 4: his rotation. But he's a guy you could definitely see moved. 463 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 4: You could see a guy being stayed. I think there's 464 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 4: some other guys out there, maybe more likely because Milwaukee 465 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 4: does a good job of kind of valuing their players 466 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 4: and the people that they have in their clubhouse. And 467 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 4: Freddy Pearolta fits, you know, all the things that Milwaukee 468 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 4: Brewers are about. 469 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 3: I don't care what people say. Actions speak louder than words, 470 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 3: and the actions are that the Brewers will get rid 471 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 3: of you at this point. As much as I love 472 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 3: Matt Arnold and the Brewers organization, it's their mo it's 473 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 3: what they do. They don't ever have a rebuild. They 474 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,719 Speaker 3: want to keep going. Freddy Peralta will give you an 475 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 3: absolute cachet of arms and current big leaguers. I see 476 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 3: him as Red Sox next year, to be flat Oh. 477 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 1: Boy, okay, there's a take. We like that, all right, 478 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: real quick? Sandy Alcantra of the Marlins, what do we think? 479 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: We know that their owner, Bruce Sherman has told a 480 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 1: lot of people that he plans to have him on 481 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: the roster at the start of twenty twenty six. 482 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 4: But will he be KP Where will he be not there? 483 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 4: I mean, I think if he would have pitched a 484 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,120 Speaker 4: little bit better, he would have got traded the deadline, 485 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 4: but coming back from the TJ it took him a 486 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,679 Speaker 4: little bit longer, and not you know, unexpected guys that 487 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 4: come back from TJ. Everyone kind of goes at their 488 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 4: own pace. The way he pitched down the stretch was 489 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 4: the Sandy al culture, Sandy al contra of old, and 490 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 4: I don't expect him to be in Miami. He would 491 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 4: be a great fit also in New York Boston. I 492 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 4: think those two teams because obviously they are teams that 493 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 4: could use some guys, and they also have some young 494 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 4: starting controlling pitching, which both of those teams you know, 495 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 4: value very much