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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This episode number one tay the show.

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Speaker 1: We're answering listeners so many questions about trail cams, out

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Speaker 1: of state, hunt's predator management, habitat improvements, and much much more.

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Speaker 1: And on top of that, we're opening the much anticipated

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Speaker 1: mystery package. Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, brought

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Speaker 1: to you by Sick Gear and UH. I think today

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Speaker 1: is going to be a fun episode for a couple

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Speaker 1: of reasons. First off, for most of the show, it's

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Speaker 1: just gonna me and Dan, and we are going to

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Speaker 1: be answering listener questions. As I've said a couple of

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Speaker 1: times on some past episodes, I'm pretty horrible at keeping

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Speaker 1: up on emails and Facebook questions, and I feel awful

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Speaker 1: about that, leaving people hanging without response. So I apologize

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Speaker 1: to any of you out there who are wondering about that.

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Speaker 1: And today, hopefully we can turn through a handful of

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Speaker 1: those emails and questions and get you answers to a

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Speaker 1: number of different interesting deer and hunting really questions, So

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Speaker 1: I think that'll be good. Um. Some of the topics

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Speaker 1: in these questions include planning out of state hunts and

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Speaker 1: application strategies, how to be smart about checking and maintaining

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Speaker 1: trail cameras, UM, finding hunting partners, some stuff about our

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Speaker 1: camouflage and gear, habitat improvements, public land vacation ideas, and

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Speaker 1: a bunch more. So. I think that's gonna be some

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Speaker 1: good stuff, Dan. But before we get to that, we

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Speaker 1: have got the moment that we've all been waiting for,

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Speaker 1: or at least I've really been waiting for. It's it's

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Speaker 1: time to open the mystery package Dan, that you've been

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Speaker 1: building up for weeks now. Um, and for anyone who's

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Speaker 1: who hasn't been listening. A few weeks ago, you know,

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Speaker 1: you told me that you were going to send me something,

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Speaker 1: but I had to open that package on air. So

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Speaker 1: the package arrived yesterday, I think. Um, so we're about

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Speaker 1: to open this thing find out what it is. But

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Speaker 1: before before we get into that, I need to know

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Speaker 1: like a little bit of backstory, like as much as

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Speaker 1: you can tell me without No, that's not how it works.

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Speaker 1: It is. I asked, I ask you what do you

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Speaker 1: think it is? My first guest is one of your children,

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Speaker 1: but too small and it hasn't moved and hasn't made

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Speaker 1: a noise. Um, I don't know. I've had a lot

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Speaker 1: of people ask me. Kylie was asking me. I have

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Speaker 1: no clue at all. I thought I thought maybe I

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Speaker 1: tried to sit down and think through like all of

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Speaker 1: our past conversations were like you've told me like I

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Speaker 1: need to do something. Um, you know, like you should

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Speaker 1: use your trail cameras differently, or you should be more

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Speaker 1: mobile or something like that. So I'm like, Okay, is

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Speaker 1: he gonna give me like a tool that's gonna help

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Speaker 1: me do that? Um? Then I had the idea I

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Speaker 1: was hoping. What I'm hoping is in the box is

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Speaker 1: a plane ticket for you to Michigan in November, and

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Speaker 1: you're gonna tell me they're gonna hunt the rut in Michigan.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm hoping. So it's a surprise to you

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Speaker 1: for me to come to Michigan. Yeah, Uh, it's not that.

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Speaker 1: Um what else people have Someone guessed it might be

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Speaker 1: your tent finger. Um, I don't think that's it. If

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Speaker 1: I if I knew where it was at these days,

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Speaker 1: I'd put it on my like I'm hanging on my wall.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, someone, this is funny. Um earmuffs to the

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Speaker 1: children out there. Um. Someone told me that they think

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Speaker 1: that just says Boner City on it. Uh. What of

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Speaker 1: all the names I have ever given deer and anybody's

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Speaker 1: ever given dear, I think that could be the best

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Speaker 1: it definitely could be. Unfortunately, dear disappeared. I wish that.

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Speaker 1: What would I have done? Though? That became like the

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Speaker 1: deer I hunted for like three or four years, and

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Speaker 1: we had to talk about that every single day. You

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Speaker 1: you know, you're making comments on some of your partners,

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Speaker 1: uh social media, they're like, you know, the big some

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Speaker 1: big time. Hey join us today. As Mark Kenyon discusses

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Speaker 1: his search for a deer he's been hunting for several years,

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Speaker 1: Boner City. I just don't think it go over well.

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Speaker 1: Uh here's another someone else says, a box of eye

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Speaker 1: and said that I should actually have my wife helped

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Speaker 1: open the glitter bomb, right, So it's I did this

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Speaker 1: whole build up just to get your wife, you know,

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Speaker 1: Like what a way to ruin any type of connection

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Speaker 1: me and you would ever happen by crapping on your wife.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know, these are none of these seem

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Speaker 1: to be the right answer. I have no idea what

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Speaker 1: I think you're gonna let everybody down. It's probably not

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Speaker 1: a human body part. So is this is this what

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Speaker 1: you consider this like a gift? Or is this something

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Speaker 1: just like a thing. It's a thing. I guess it

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Speaker 1: just I don't know. I'll answer that question after you

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Speaker 1: open it. Okay. Another question for you, is this like Christmas?

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Speaker 1: Where like when I opened the gift, even if I

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Speaker 1: don't like it, I need to pretend like I like

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Speaker 1: it and like I'll be able to tell about your like,

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Speaker 1: oh Dan, thanks, this is awesome. I'm gonna put it

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Speaker 1: in my closet behind all my other ship. I don't uh,

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Speaker 1: well should we just should we get just get over? Okay.

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Speaker 1: So here's the box and there's if you can hear that,

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Speaker 1: it's not very like indicative of anything. There's not rattling parts.

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Speaker 1: It's just like a thud. So I've got my scissors

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Speaker 1: Just so there's not a lot of dead air. Perfect.

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Speaker 1: But it took me one two three days worth of communication,

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Speaker 1: work that went into this. This is like the most

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Speaker 1: absurd packaging he's got a there's a brown carbon box, obviously,

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Speaker 1: and then there's bubble wrap, and then inside the bubble

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Speaker 1: wrap is a blanket. And inside the bull there's a

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Speaker 1: this blanket? Yes? You can. I don't need it back,

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Speaker 1: not like your child's favorite blanket. He can you keep

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Speaker 1: that tape? See the tape? Dude? What is this? Oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh, you were right? This is some serious packaging.

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Speaker 1: a deer? I know? Yeah? How did you get this? Dan? This?

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Speaker 1: This is the match set from Mark Kenyon. That is

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Speaker 1: the match set from Mark Kenyon. Oh my gosh, look

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Speaker 1: up at your look up at your shed that you

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Speaker 1: currently have a him. All right, hold on, I'm still

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Speaker 1: trying to saw this sucker open so I can get

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Speaker 1: But this is the coolest. Are you gonna let me keep? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: shows up, you know, three years later. This is insane.

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Speaker 1: this is awesome. When are this from two thou that

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Speaker 1: was the last year. Well, he was alive in the

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Speaker 1: They found him in the in the spring of two thousand.

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Speaker 1: They were found in the spring of two thousand fifteen

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Speaker 1: March two thousand fifteen or February. Then he grew one

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Speaker 1: ever had before. And uh, he's very recognizable. He and

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Speaker 1: shed antlers or set of antlers right there. Dude, These

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Speaker 1: I find the Mark Kenyon shed? Our first shed hunting

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Speaker 1: And I found this shed. It was my biggest shed

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon, And that was a deer like you just said.

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Speaker 1: he would have grown his biggest set ever. I forget

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Speaker 1: have been when he would have grown his biggest rack

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Speaker 1: uh he that's when he disappeared. But yeah, it was

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Speaker 1: two thousand and fourteen when you found his his shed

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Speaker 1: That's still the biggest shed I've ever found, such a

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Speaker 1: nice shed. And so many times I just pick up

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Speaker 1: that antler and like holding my hands and spin it

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Speaker 1: a match set of his I and not This is

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Speaker 1: this is way cooler than you're sending me one of

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Speaker 1: your kids, like dead Cat or something like that. Yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: is nuts in the mass. Yeah. Wow. Well for everyone listening,

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Speaker 1: I'll obviously post pictures of this so you can take

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Speaker 1: a look at these. But did you have to like

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Speaker 1: sell your soul or do something inappropriate to get these? No? Uh,

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Speaker 1: to the edge. Um. And then also, like we talked

426
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Speaker 1: about a month ago, I also UM, when I sprayed

427
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 1: the food plots this year, I I kind of shifted

428
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 1: the food plot over like we talked about. So now

429
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 1: there's like a forty yards strip on the right hand

430
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 1: side that used to be food plot, and you know,

431
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: seven inch tall vegetation that's now growing up in the

432
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 1: thick weeds and brambles and stuff like that. Um. So

433
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 1: hopefully that's gonna me and these deer are gonna feel

434
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: a little more comfortable coming over to my side of

435
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 1: the line and getting close to where I can shoot them,

436
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 1: coming into that scrape tree or to the water hole

437
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: or to the food I'm just trying to incentivize any

438
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 1: way to get these deer where I need them. So

439
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 1: I got that stuff kind of ready to rock and

440
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 1: roll up front, and then UM, I'm gonna just spray

441
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: it again here probably in a few weeks because there's

442
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: new weeds growing already. Um. And then after that it'll

443
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,360
Speaker 1: be it'll be planning time in August. So that was Michigan.

444
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: I went to Ohio. Um, I guess it would have

445
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: been last week Monday. Me and Josh went down there. Um,

446
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 1: well it was last weekend, I guess two weeks, a

447
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: week and a half ago whatever. During the weekend, UM,

448
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 1: and we just did a lot of like the little

449
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 1: fine tuning type stuff that you know I've been doing

450
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 1: a lot of this year. Hit a couple of different

451
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 1: tree stands, trimmed out new lanes or just kind of

452
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: fixed up any spots where we needed it. We added

453
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 1: some cover to a couple of tree stands, just cutting limbs,

454
00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,160
Speaker 1: sticking them in, um, like the grid of the tree

455
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 1: stand base, different stuff like that, just to add a

456
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: little bit more um and wet. We put three trial

457
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: cameras up, put out some mineral forum and now we're

458
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 1: just gonna patiently wait on those. So Ohio was kind

459
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,239
Speaker 1: of done. Josh was gonna go back one more time

460
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 1: in the summer while I'm out west, and he's gonna

461
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: check the cameras and um double check one war or

462
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: two more tree stands, but now just a waiting game

463
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 1: for that spot. Um, so we'll see. That's Ohio, Michigan.

464
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: I've got a lot more more tree stand prep on

465
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: some other places. I want to do some more scout

466
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 1: in that public land we talked about. I gotta go

467
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: back up north to do some more work on our

468
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 1: food plot and some tree stands up there. Oh and uh,

469
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 1: I want to try somehow sneaking a trip to Iowa

470
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: because I did apply for my Did I tell you

471
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 1: that I applied for my Iowa tag this year? Yeah?

472
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: I don't think you told. You told the listeners, but

473
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: you told me. Yeah. Yeah, So hopefully gonna draw that

474
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna try squeezing some hunts there. So that's

475
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: kind of my spots. Yeah, busy and then last es

476
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: go ahead. I was gonna say then last night I

477
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: was just sitting looking at maps all night at like

478
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: North Dakota because I'm gonna try to hit Montana first

479
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 1: and then go to North Dakota after that if I

480
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 1: filed my Montana tag. So looking at a bunch of

481
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: public land there and brainstorming and thinking through all that,

482
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: so slowly the pieces are coming together. So you're talking about,

483
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: So where all are you hunting this year? Montana, possibly

484
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 1: North Dakota, possibly Iowa, Ohio, and Michigan. That's correct, Yeah, yeah, wow, buddy. Yeah.

485
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: But I mean two of those trips Montana North Dakota

486
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: will be in early September, you know, and I'm just

487
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: tacking that on to the end of my regular time

488
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: out there. Um. And so then for the majority of

489
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: the regular season, you know, October through January or whatever,

490
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: I'll just be bouncing between Michigan, Ohio, and Iowa. Um.

491
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, Um, I don't I'm not exactly sure

492
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: how I'm gonna balance that yet, but you know, I'm

493
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: gonna I'm probably gonna prioritize Michigan d in the time

494
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: frames that I think holy Field is going to be active. Um.

495
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: And then only if I've already killed him or if

496
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: he's gone, then would I travel to Ohio or Iowa

497
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: for other rut stuff. Um. Usually I prioritize one of

498
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: them over Michigan, but this year it's going to be

499
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: you know, right, soly Field. So absolutely, that's crazy, man.

500
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: That's a lot of a lot of driving. Um, I

501
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: guess I got my trail cameras out. I got five

502
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: of them out. That's nice. Um, but I'm still waiting

503
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: to put my other ones out the next trip I

504
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: make down. But I don't know, man, it's just like,

505
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: now that they're out, I want to go check them,

506
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: which I know I shouldn't. Yeah, are you what's your

507
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: summer where you're putting these cameras right now? Are you

508
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: just doing some mineral stuff like usual edge of bean

509
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: fields that type of thing. Yeah, the my my current

510
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: set up are, uh, timberlines. Uh, there's there's a couple

511
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: that are on the edge of of egg fields, some

512
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: buffer strip type of scenarios. Um, but nowhere close to

513
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: like my hunting my setups right so kind of out

514
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: of the way areas where I don't know if anybody

515
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: does come walking through the property saying okay, well all right,

516
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: well that tree stand, where's the where's the uh the

517
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: mineral station or where's the bait pile whatever you know,

518
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: So I don't want to I don't want to have

519
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: to deal with that. So they're kind of all out

520
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: of the way. Um, and I'll I have like five

521
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: more mineral stations that I need to put trail cameras

522
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: over yet and then in September is when I transition

523
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: those to the pinch points, travel corridors and possible scrapes.

524
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: Nice nice, so Ida love it. I love this time here.

525
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: Like you said, I'm just itching to look at my

526
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: stuff too and see what could be out there. And

527
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: I've done a few drives around around here other Michigan,

528
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: I haven't seen. I saw one nice buck far from

529
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: anywhere I can hunt, but um, but one far out there.

530
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, they're growing. Yeah, I gotta. I got tree

531
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: stands yet to hang, and last year I didn't get

532
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: it done until like almost the last week in August.

533
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: And the goal for me is to get that out

534
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: a little bit sooner this year. Um, and uh, hopefully

535
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: I can get that taken care of sooner rather than later.

536
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I don't know how when you

537
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: hang your tree stands, let's say, like you hang them

538
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: now or you hang them in July, do you ever

539
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: have to you know, when the hunting season comes, do

540
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: you ever run into having to go and trim out

541
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: again on your first hunt? Because there was some movement

542
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: in the timber, like whether a branch blown down or

543
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: there was some additional growth in some trees that kind

544
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: of blocked your shooting lanes. I have had that happen. Um.

545
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: I'd say usually it's like nineties seven five, Um, But

546
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: I usually still bring with just handsaw with me, you know,

547
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: into that first hunt in just in case. It's usually

548
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: like the little new growth that starts popping off of

549
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: one of the bigger limbs, you know that slightly covers

550
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: up one of your holes or something. U But yeah,

551
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: I mean that is one of the inherent risks of

552
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: doing your stuff earlier. Right right, Well, I guess there's

553
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: one thing that I'm I'm excited to do, and I'm

554
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: excited to do it now. When I go and check

555
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: my trail cameras for the first time, probably next month,

556
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: some of my far ones, I'm going to be setting

557
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: my tree stands up on some of these. You know

558
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: I talked earlier about access. Yeah right, I'm going to

559
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: be walking those cricks uh in and just giving it

560
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: a feel of what I need to do and get

561
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: kind of a test run with a stand on my

562
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: back to see what I actually need to do to look, um,

563
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: get to some of these locations on the farm without

564
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: disturbing the deer. On some of these morning hunts. So

565
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: it's a good idea to test that out. Yeah, I've

566
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: had I've had some situations like that where I thought

567
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: I could walk creek or something but never really tried

568
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: it and then like there's down trees all over it

569
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: or way too good water, different things like that. So

570
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: that's that's very smart. Yeah, So what's up man? What

571
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: we got some questions or what? Yeah, we got some

572
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: listener questions, um on a whole bunch of different things

573
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: that I haven't got to get to yet. So I

574
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: thought this would be a good opportunity to do that.

575
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: And I think there's a wide and variety of topics

576
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: that I think a lot of people will find this

577
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: stuff interesting. So um, so let's do it. Let's take

578
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: a quick break for a word from our partners at SIC,

579
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: and then let's tackle these questions. Alright. So this week,

580
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: rather than share sick of story, I want to give

581
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: you a heads up on something that's going on right

582
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: now if you're listening to this just after we published it.

583
00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: So today Thursday, June two through Saturday June twe four,

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00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: two seventeen, Sitka is hosting their first SITA Gear Converge event,

585
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: in which They've brought together the top hunting guides and

586
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 1: outfits from across the country, all here for a few

587
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: days in Bozeman, Montana, here at Sitka HQ for a

588
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: whole slew of different seminars and events and feedback sessions

589
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: and all sorts of cool stuff. And I'm actually here

590
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: in Bozeman helping out and covering the event. So if

591
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: you're interested in seeing what's going on here, converge and

592
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: if you want to hear from some of the guides

593
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: and outfitters and influencers that are here, head over to

594
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: the Wired to Hunt social media accounts over these next

595
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: few days, because I'm gonna be posting a lot of

596
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,320
Speaker 1: pictures and videos on Instagram and Facebook and Twitter and

597
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: all that good stuff. So you might even get a

598
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 1: Facebook Live video or two going as well. We're also

599
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: going to be recording some podcasts, so look for those

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00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: in the future. And with that said, if in the

601
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Speaker 1: meantime you want to learn more about sitkas product offerings

602
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: and get a better idea of why so many of

603
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: these top guides and outfitters use their gear, you can

604
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: visit sitka gear dot com. And now let's get back

605
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: to the show. And r Q and A. All right,

606
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: so want me to uh just pick one of these

607
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: randomly rate off to Dan and then see what you think. Yeah,

608
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: go for it, all right. I'm not gonna name last

609
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 1: names here just I don't know for whatever reason. So

610
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: Tom W has our first question here, and I'll give

611
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: a little bit of the context here that he added

612
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: an email. He said, after reading my review on the

613
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: Bush and a wireless cameras, I took the plunge and

614
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: bought one for one of my close private hunting spots.

615
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: I'm coordinating the buck picks with a history function on

616
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: Weather Underground, and it's super cool to see the bucks

617
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,479
Speaker 1: working the wind coming into my Trophy Rock mineral site.

618
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 1: I have it on Ditch Creek Draw that runs beneath

619
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: an open field with a lot of white oaks border

620
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: in the field. It's a great pinch point and I've

621
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: observed many deer work through here in the past. I

622
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 1: think this will allow me to go in only when

623
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: I have daylight movement. Our season opens September two, and

624
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,479
Speaker 1: I have one three or four year old bucks showing

625
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 1: up rightly. My hope is that he won't change his

626
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: range before the opener, but My question is this, what

627
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 1: time would be the latest you'd feel comfortable going in

628
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: to change the batteries and add minerals to that trail

629
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 1: camera site. So he's got a camera out to wireless

630
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 1: camera so he doesn't need to go check SD cards

631
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: and stuff. But he wants to hunt here, so he

632
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: doesn't want to go in there too often or too

633
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: late and spook any deer that might be coming into

634
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: the mineral or to his camera. Um, so what do

635
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,959
Speaker 1: you think he's got September two opener? So would you state?

636
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: I don't think he mentioned or I didn't include that

637
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 1: in my common paste portion. But it must be one

638
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: of the Western states. I guess September two. I mean

639
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: maybe Kentucky, North Dakota, Uh, Montana. Well, I don't think

640
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: my Maintaine can't use cameras during the season, so it

641
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: can't be that. Um, I don't know who else has

642
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 1: that early of a season. Yeah, maybe it was Kentucky,

643
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: just on gas because you can't have mineral stations in

644
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: Illinois or Iowa or you know, anywhere close to where

645
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: your stand. So if he's if he's hunting, I'm guessing

646
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,760
Speaker 1: it was probably Kentucky that you know if you mentioned

647
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: it or any other state, maybe even Ohio, But I

648
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: would just I mean that minerals in the ground there

649
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:20,280
Speaker 1: for a good period of time. So maybe if his openers,

650
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: you know, the first and September or whatever, maybe August

651
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: feet and then let it let it sit completely for

652
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: thirty days. Yeah, and then and then yeah, and what

653
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: is you what he's using is then he he can

654
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: check those cameras and see if they if the guys

655
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: coming through on daylight, he can head in there and

656
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: hunt him. I lean towards what you're saying too, because

657
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: I'm in the same way, like I always like to

658
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: have everything on my main properties set at least a

659
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: month before the opening day, and I don't go in

660
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: there at all if if I can help it. Um.

661
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: The only caveat I would add, though, just give him

662
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: my experience with wireless cameras. I don't know. I know

663
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 1: you've you have one. I don't know how much you

664
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: use it, right, Yeah, it acts as just a regular

665
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: trail camera these days because I can't get signaled down there.

666
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: So the only thing I've seen is that the batteries

667
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: die a little faster on those. Um. Now, I think

668
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,919
Speaker 1: on average I've gotten more than thirty days. I've gotten

669
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: like six weeks, seven weeks, something like that. Um. But

670
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: I guess if I'm being like particularly if I'm not

671
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: used to using it for long periods of time, and

672
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: if I didn't know that for sure, and if I'm

673
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: depending on this to make my you know, my decision

674
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: on going in there, I might like push it one

675
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: more week and like maybe August six or seventh or

676
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 1: something that going there, set the camera, make sure it's perfect,

677
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: make sure those batter is good, um, and then be

678
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: good to go or you know, actually the better idea

679
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: would be simply to have that camera out going right

680
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 1: now and just monitor how long how long he keeps

681
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: a charge on those you know, because with the phone

682
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: app on these wireless cameras, you can track the battery

683
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: level so you can see when that battery dies. So

684
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: just pay attention when you put the batteries in the

685
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: last see how long those batteries give you see if

686
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: it's six weeks or eight weeks or whatever, um, and

687
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: then go in there. And I agree, I think four

688
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: weeks would be at least, you know, if you can

689
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: leave it for four weeks and then you've got an

690
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,439
Speaker 1: undisturbed area. You can sneak in there the first time

691
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,479
Speaker 1: when you know he's moving or some type of conditions change,

692
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: that should get him moving and he'll have no idea

693
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: there and that that makes for great opening day set.

694
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: And if you can drive a vehicle right up to it, yeah, yep,

695
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: definitely four with or two that will work. UM. I

696
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: was bringing some kind of set elimination spray with me

697
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: to spray anything that I touched. Try wear gloves when

698
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: you're handling it. UM. I bring nose GM or two

699
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: and just put a sprit to that on the ground,

700
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: just one more thing to throw off any human scent

701
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: that might drop off of me. Um. And then also

702
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: when you're checking that camera, i'd recommend you try to

703
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: make sure you're doing that when the wind is not

704
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 1: blowing right to where you think those deer would be betted. Um,

705
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: and do it at midday ideally, So go on there

706
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: when deer aren't gonna be moving, make sure winds not

707
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: blow into that spot. And if you keep all that

708
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 1: stuff good and careful, um. And then you'll let three

709
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: or four weeks passed by, he should be feeling super

710
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: comfortable and um man, you'll have a chance. Maybe hopefully

711
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 1: there's you know, we've talked about before, there's always the

712
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: chance that these deer going to shift ranges in early September.

713
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 1: But if he doesn't, this could be a pretty sweet

714
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 1: set up. Yeah, it sounds like he's got a good

715
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: pinch point anyway with some good food around it. Yeah. Yeah,

716
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: I mean it sounds like he's got those white oaks

717
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 1: that are all along there, so that could be there

718
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: could be some acorn start and drop by then that

719
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: maybe they're hitting and maybe there's some some crop fields

720
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: out in front that they'd be touching off. So good luck,

721
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: good luck, and send us picks. Good luck Tom, hopefully

722
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: this works out. We've got another question here from Dan H.

723
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: Dan H is hunting in southwestern Wisconsin, and in the

724
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: past two years he's been getting a lot of trail

725
00:40:56,239 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: camera pictures of black bears and bobcats. Uh hell has

726
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: been seeing some coyotes. Um. He says it's fun getting

727
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: those pictures, but it also has some concerned about fawn survival.

728
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: He mentioned that there's a lot of material valuable out

729
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 1: there you print online that talks about managing land to

730
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: improve food or travel routes are betting areas, but he

731
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: hasn't seen much advice on managing a property to provide

732
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: pregnant does a nursery, you know, somewhere where these fawns

733
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: can survive predation? So he asked, are to do that?

734
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 1: Are we looking for a specific type of cover or topography?

735
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: Do they prefer an area with numerous escape routes or

736
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: an area devoid of any trails and traffic? Should I

737
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: keep mowing my hayfield to maintain the grassland cover or

738
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:39,399
Speaker 1: should let it go follow and encourage tree establishment um?

739
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: So that's that is what he's wondering. What can he

740
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 1: do on his property to improve fawning habitat um and

741
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 1: hope help some of those fawn survive predators. Have you

742
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 1: heard anything about this stuff? Dan, any thoughts on that

743
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: anything you've read or heard? Based based off his question,

744
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: here's what I'm gonna say. Anywhere that it year can go,

745
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: so can a coyote, and so can a bear. Right,

746
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: So here's and yes, habitat does play a role. And

747
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 1: I'll probably let you get to that because you know

748
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: more about habitat than I do. But it sounds to

749
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: me that you need to do some kind of predator

750
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: work yourself. Um. Either you know, if it's legal to

751
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: kill bobcats in your state, trap, Uh, you can start

752
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: up a trapping regiment for coyotes and uh for bobcats

753
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: if there's a lot of bears. And I don't know

754
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: what state was he in Wisconsin? Wisconsin? Um, does Wisconsin

755
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: have a bear season? I would assume so, but I

756
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,879
Speaker 1: guess yeah, if there is a bear season, bear hunt, right.

757
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: So habitat is only part of the issue. And I

758
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:55,720
Speaker 1: feel that predator control, if there's a lot on your farm,

759
00:42:56,239 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: that has to be part of your management strategy as well. Yeah, definitely,

760
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: it's all. It's all part of it. Um. I just

761
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 1: actually was listening to um, oh gosh, I don't know,

762
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 1: a podcast with Pat Durkin, who's an outdoor writer in Wisconsin.

763
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: He was actually talking about some of the predator issues

764
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: they've had there and just how some recent studies have

765
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 1: shown that the majority of the predation there, the fond

766
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: predation is actually coming from black bears, even though most

767
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: people kind of point the finger at coyotes or wolves. Um,

768
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: something like up to the predation they found was from

769
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:33,399
Speaker 1: black bears and then like only six percent was coyotes. UM.

770
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 1: So so yeah, I mean predators can definitely have an impact. UM.

771
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: I do know that when it comes to coyotes the

772
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 1: best time to to try to manage them is in

773
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 1: spring when they're um you know, pops are dropping and

774
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and you can trap them at that

775
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: time period. That's the best time to trap them. From

776
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: what I understand. I've never done it, but I just

777
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 1: heard that a lot um. And I've also just heard

778
00:43:55,880 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: that it's really difficult to manage coyote pop pulations with

779
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 1: just kind of random hunting and like you know, if

780
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: you're out deer hunting and you see a coyote, shoot

781
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: that coyote, that really doesn't make an impact at all.

782
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: I've even heard that even hunting with a gun and

783
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 1: you know, going out there in the winter and trying

784
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: to call him and stuff, even making a concerned effort

785
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: like that still doesn't make a difference on coyote populations,

786
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: just because of their the fact that if you take

787
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: one out, two more move in. Um. You know, they

788
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: just ave, they reproduce rapidly, they move around a lot um.

789
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: There's some really interesting things um in a book that

790
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: I talked about before the American Serengetti um and then

791
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 1: also another book called Coyote America, both of them by

792
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: Dan Flores. Um. He talks about just some of the

793
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: unique adaptations that coyotes have had that allow them to

794
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: kind of survive a lot of the different things than

795
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: pressures that we've been putting on them and that you know,

796
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: other pritors put on them. Um. So, like for a

797
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: long time, coyotes where like the little brother two wolves.

798
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: Uh So, they had to develop different adaptations to survive

799
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: and and kind of carve out a niche in the ecosystem.

800
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: So for example, um, we've never talked about this before,

801
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,760
Speaker 1: m okay um. So one of the things I remember

802
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: reading about was that one coyotes a just how quickly

803
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: they're they they you know, this isn't something they think

804
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: about obviously, But whatever biological mechanism is within these coyotes

805
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:32,439
Speaker 1: adjust the reproductive rate, the litter size of coyotes based

806
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: on the density of coyotes in the area. And as

807
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,959
Speaker 1: I understand it, somehow there's like almost like a sensus taking.

808
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: Part of what coyotes are doing when they howl at

809
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: night is that they're kind of in some way keeping

810
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,879
Speaker 1: track of the what other what other animals in the area,

811
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: what other coyotes in the area? Um, And somehow this

812
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: kind of fills in the gaps. And when there's a

813
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: coyote in an area. Let's say there's a mating pair

814
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 1: in an area and there's no other coyotes around, then

815
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: that female is going to have a much larger litter size.

816
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: And I'm going to get the numbers wrong. I don't

817
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: remember what the numbers are, but it was like substantially

818
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: larger litter size, like a litter size up to like

819
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:15,280
Speaker 1: ten or something. Let's hypothemtically say, but if that coyote

820
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: and if that mating pair is in the area with

821
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: the dense population of coyotes, it's litter size will be

822
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: much smaller, three or four or five something like that.

823
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: So what you end up having is if I go

824
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: into a place and I shoot a bunch of coyotes,

825
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: but I left one mating pair or something, or the

826
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 1: mating pair from a mile over moves into the area.

827
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: Because now they're in an area of lower density, their

828
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: litter sizes increase, and that just it just makes up

829
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: for So this has been a big part of how

830
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: coyote populations have moved so quickly and grown so quickly

831
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 1: because I keep filling in the gaps wherever there's an opening.

832
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: Lots you get these young males and eventually females that

833
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 1: move out into these new areas, and then they increase

834
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: the reproductive right. Um. So it's it's a difficult thing

835
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: to to manage in that way. So a lot of

836
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: people said, unless you're gonna do some really really intense trapping,

837
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 1: they're almost there's almost nothing you can do. The best

838
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: thing you can do is try to provide habitat cover

839
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: that can help those fawns survive it. Um. And so

840
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 1: that goes to Dan's question, and so as I understand it,

841
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: the best cover four fawnds is going to be early

842
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 1: successional habitat, so that you know, overgrown fields or you know,

843
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: thick interior like in the timber when there's cutover. You know,

844
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: let's do a bunch of hinge cutting or something, and

845
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: now you get all this new growth brush and forbes

846
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: and bushes and grasses and all that kind of stuff.

847
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: That good fawn level cover is what's going to allow

848
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: these fawnds to survive and have somewhere to hide. Um.

849
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,399
Speaker 1: Another interesting thing I saw when I was actually doing

850
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: a little reading on this recently. I just pulled this

851
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 1: up before we did the podcast. There was a study

852
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: conducted by John Kilga, who was a research wildif biologist

853
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 1: with the Force Service. UM did the study in South Carolina,

854
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 1: and UM, I don't have I don't remember all the

855
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 1: details of how the study was conducted, but what they

856
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,720
Speaker 1: found was that the most important factor they were seeing

857
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: to increase fond survival was having lots of edge cover

858
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 1: and a lot of different types of habitat cover in air. So,

859
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 1: this is a quote from the study. Fawns with the

860
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 1: least amount of edge in their home range were more

861
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 1: than twice as likely to be killed by coyotes as

862
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: those with the most edge. Um. It goes on to

863
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: say that fawns whose home range had many small patches

864
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 1: of different cover types had the best chances of survival.

865
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: The researchers were uncertain whether this was because the edge

866
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: areas provided better hiding spots, or whether there were simply

867
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: too many areas for the coyotes to search. UM. So,

868
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 1: I found that pretty interesting. So, from what I understand,

869
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: early sessional habit had so great low to the ground

870
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:51,240
Speaker 1: habitat thick and then lots of edge, lots of different places.

871
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: You know, Um, you don't want just one little two

872
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 1: acre area of cover. You want to have lots of

873
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: different types of cover all around so that there's many

874
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: different plays these funds can be born. Um. And then

875
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: so that when these coyotes are out there looking for

876
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,240
Speaker 1: them in the spring, they know that all the farms

877
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: aren't just going to be in this one two acre spot.

878
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 1: They're going to be all over the place. UM. So

879
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: from a habitat standpoint, that's uh, that's something to look at. Um.

880
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: There's one other thing I was going to mention on

881
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: this front. Um. I'm blanking on what it was. But

882
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: you know this is a little bit outside of most

883
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: deer hunters control. Um. But here's something to keep in

884
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 1: mind too. When you have a deer herd that is

885
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 1: off kilter, if you've got a deer herd that does

886
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: not have a even distribution of age structure. Um. So

887
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: let's say you've got a deer herd in Iowa that

888
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: you've got a relatively even number of year and a

889
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:50,399
Speaker 1: half old bucks, two and a half year old bucks,

890
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: three and a half year old bucks, for et cetera.

891
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 1: And you have a decent um ratio between bucks and

892
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 1: does that's like a good, normal natural deer herd. When

893
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: you have that, you're typically going to have a more

894
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: a tighter rut. You're gonna have a more aggressive rut,

895
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: and a more consistent rut that's going to be in

896
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: in a shorter time frame. When you have a deer

897
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: herd that is out of whack where there's not many

898
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: mature bucks, you've got tons and tons of does and

899
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 1: not as many bucks in the mostly year and a

900
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,240
Speaker 1: half of bucks um. There's been a number of studies

901
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,320
Speaker 1: that tend to show that that ends up leading to

902
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: a more drawn out rut, is not as not as

903
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: intensive a rut and more drawn out. There is a

904
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: benefit to having the short, intense rut because what happens

905
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: in that situation when you have the majority of the

906
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: breeding more so done in a small time period. That

907
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: means that the majority of all those fawns in the

908
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: spring will drop at the same time, and basically you

909
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:47,399
Speaker 1: overload the predator population with fawns because if all let's

910
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 1: say there's gonna be twenty fawns born in a in

911
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: a in a block those twenty faons, if they're all

912
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: dropped within a week and a half or a week

913
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: or something like that, and there's ten coyotes, they may

914
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 1: not have enough time too randomly come across those all

915
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 1: those twenty fonds and kill them. But if you took

916
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: that same twenty fonds and you had them born over

917
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 1: the course of four weeks, all of a sudden, now

918
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: it's much easier for that same number of coyotes to

919
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: eventually kill all those fonds. So in a perfect world,

920
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 1: you want a great habitat, and then you want to

921
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: have an even aide structure, well balanced deer herd that

922
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: allows for that tight rut that allows for that consistent

923
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: drop of fonds all around the same time, so that

924
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: a greater percentage survive. Makes sense. Yeah, so that's my

925
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: long biology rant. I had to get the science in today.

926
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: A little bit of science in there. Yeah, interesting stuff.

927
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: Um So, hopefully that's helpful. I think as far as

928
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 1: you know, Dan, if you're if you're trying to do this,

929
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 1: um so, if you want to increase that successional habitat,

930
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 1: early successional habitat, if you want to add more edge,

931
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: I mean doing some cutting in your timber, doing some

932
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 1: hinge cutting or some selective cutting to open up the camp.

933
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: That's a good way to do it. UM. I think

934
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: when it comes to like mowing your hay field and stuff, UM,

935
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: I would try not to maintain just a consistent grassland

936
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: as I've as I've read, it's better to have, you know,

937
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 1: a natural variety of cover, not just like one single grass.

938
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: Um it'd be It would be better if it's a

939
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:22,959
Speaker 1: bunch of different things. So you might want to burn

940
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,240
Speaker 1: that grass and let it grow like whatever the natural

941
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 1: seedbed components are. Let them grow up, um. Or you

942
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: can do some selective spring and knock out some things

943
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 1: and provide openings for new things to start growing. UM.

944
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,439
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember this, Dan, but last

945
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: year I think it was in our interview with Craig Harper.

946
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 1: He talked a lot about this, about how you can

947
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: use some selective spraying of herbicide to increase and improve

948
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 1: your old field type stuff. And that's exactly what I'm

949
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 1: talking about here. So that's what i'd recommend go listen

950
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,959
Speaker 1: to Craig Harper's episode where he talks about that, because

951
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,359
Speaker 1: that's a great way to improve this type of cover UM,

952
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: and that's that's good for funds, but also good for

953
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,959
Speaker 1: for all the deer provides good, high quality cover most

954
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: of the season, most of the year that um Bucks

955
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 1: does the whole the whole cruel benefit from. So that's

956
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: all I got on fun Habitat for the book, Look

957
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 1: for the book. I'm definitely not the guy to write

958
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: that book, but I've read enough to at least say things. Um.

959
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: How about this question from John I. Dan. He says

960
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 1: that he's gonna be going out of state for the

961
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 1: first time this year to do a d I Y

962
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: public plan hunt. UM. He's gonna be using a lot

963
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 1: of the tips from some of our d I Y

964
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: posts and his planning. So he's wondering if we know

965
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 1: of any resources or ideas to help him link up

966
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 1: with other guys who might be interested in doing the

967
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 1: same type of hunt. UM. He says that most of

968
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 1: his bow hunting buddies at home aren't really into the

969
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 1: style of hunting that he wants to do that kind

970
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: of d I Y mobile um campaign, that kind of thing, UM,

971
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: So his current hunting buddies are kind of out of

972
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 1: the question. What would you do to Dan? How do

973
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 1: you go about finding some new buddies to take a

974
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: trip like this. I mean, you can go to the forums, right,

975
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's guys out there like that, you know,

976
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: start a thread or whatever. But to be honest with you,

977
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:18,800
Speaker 1: just be active on social media, like the Wired to

978
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: Hunt Facebook page. I'm sure there's guys out there that

979
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 1: are looking for the same thing that you're looking for. Um,

980
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 1: go to you know, look through social media, and anytime

981
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 1: someone starts, uh posting questions about um, you know, posting

982
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 1: questions about taking some d i y trips, chime in

983
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: and say, you know, hey, I'm I'm looking to do

984
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 1: something like that, but I'm looking for a couple of

985
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: guys to go with me. Uh. And social media, I mean,

986
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 1: Facebook in general is just a great place for that.

987
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: And I don't know about you, but Mark, but on

988
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:03,240
Speaker 1: my Facebook page, there is a majority of the guys

989
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: who post the most are they like there. There's a

990
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 1: core group of guys that do a lot of the

991
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 1: same posting. Right, I almost know him by name. And

992
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: those guys. You don't want to look for those guys too,

993
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,879
Speaker 1: because if they they're not just active on the nine

994
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: Finger chronicles or the Wired to Hunt Facebook page. They're

995
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:27,399
Speaker 1: active on a lot of social media pages, so keep

996
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: an eye out for those guys. See if you can

997
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: make some matches there. Um and just I guess it's

998
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 1: just comes down to keep your eyes open and uh,

999
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 1: you know, don't be afraid to strike up conversations with random,

1000
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 1: random guys. I guess I wanted best friend. You ever

1001
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 1: see that that movie I Love You MANH Yeah, I

1002
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 1: have kind of like that exactly, the funny movie. Um No,

1003
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:56,439
Speaker 1: I think that's a that's good advice. UM. I'll add

1004
00:55:56,719 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: one thing. If on the off chance you are listening

1005
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: to this right now and you two want to do

1006
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 1: a d I Y public land hunt in Ohio, comment

1007
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 1: on the Facebook post for this podcast. When I post

1008
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: it on the wire dun facebook page, comment on this

1009
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: and maybe they I don't know, maybe there's no one

1010
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:20,240
Speaker 1: who wants to do that, but maybe there's three guys

1011
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 1: out there, handful of people out there that actually have

1012
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: been wanting to do a trip to Ohio and have

1013
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 1: just been wondering about who they could go with. Maybe

1014
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,800
Speaker 1: we can be the matchmaker. So if you're listening, comment

1015
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: on this post mentioned that you want to do a

1016
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 1: trip like this and who knows. Maybe that will be

1017
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: a way to connect a few people to try something. Um,

1018
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:38,399
Speaker 1: that'd be pretty sweet. We can have like a wired

1019
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 1: hunt public Land, Ohio hunt for wired dount listeners. I

1020
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 1: think it would be cool to have a what are

1021
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: some of those matchmaking sites like the Harmony but for

1022
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 1: but for deer hunters. You know, I've heard like people,

1023
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: I don't think there's actually maybe there's something like that

1024
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 1: out there. Um, that would be an interesting idea. UM.

1025
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: I know there's a hunt swap type things on forums

1026
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 1: where people yeah where you know, hey you can come

1027
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 1: hunt my you can bass fish on my farm pond,

1028
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: if I can come deer hunt in your spot in

1029
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 1: Iowa or whatever. Um, so maybe there'll be a way

1030
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,320
Speaker 1: to do that. That'd be cool. Um. You know another

1031
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: idea other than forums and social media, you know, look

1032
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: into conservation groups around you. Um, like the Quality Deer

1033
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: Management Association has got branches all over the country, local

1034
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: branches where you know people in your area get together

1035
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 1: and have banquets and meetings and habitat days and different things.

1036
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: Or um I'm involved in that with QUT may or

1037
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: like back country hunters and anglers, we have a Michigan chapter,

1038
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: and there's chapters all across the country now where you

1039
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 1: can get involved, and those are great ways to to

1040
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 1: find like minded people. And while you go out there

1041
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 1: and go to some of these events, get to know

1042
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 1: some people. All of a sudden, you know there's ten

1043
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 1: other hardcore hunters that maybe have the same interest you have,

1044
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: and uh, you know there might be someone that's a

1045
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: good fit there too. So I'd say try to get

1046
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: involved with local groups too, in person and see where

1047
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: that might lead you. Absolutely, that's a great idea. Yeah.

1048
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 1: I occasionally get one of those good luck, Yeah, good luck.

1049
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 1: If it's a really good hunt, make sure you reach

1050
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: out to me and Mark first. Yeah, if it's the

1051
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 1: right spot exactly. All right, Dan, you want to talk

1052
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: about gear for a second. Let's talk about gear, all right.

1053
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: We got a questions from emmett A and he said,

1054
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: if you have got a minute or could answer this

1055
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 1: on a podcast at some point, what is your Sicko wardrobe.

1056
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: I've heard you talk about the shacket and a few

1057
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 1: other pieces, but I don't know what your collection all entails,

1058
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 1: or if you were to start over buying SICKA, what

1059
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 1: would your first purchases be um. He mentions that he

1060
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 1: has basically bought early in mid season stuff so far. Um,

1061
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 1: but he's trying to figure out what to buy next. So, Dan,

1062
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 1: both you and I have got sick gear in our

1063
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: wardrobes for hunting. Uh, you want to walk through which

1064
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: pieces you like or what ones you've used so far?

1065
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 1: And I can kind of run through my stuff too. Yeah.

1066
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 1: First of home, let's say, dude, the name Emmett is

1067
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 1: a badass name, Like, like, I feel like a guy

1068
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 1: named Emmett just is real chill, real laid back, but

1069
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 1: if you talk ship to him, you're gonna get beat up.

1070
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 1: Well that's that's just that's just my first impression guy

1071
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: with a name Emmett. I always you've got You've got

1072
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 1: such interesting like first impressions based on names. Wasn't there

1073
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: someone else we had in the podcast where like you

1074
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 1: heard the name of like, oh, this guy he's legit. Yeah,

1075
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 1: probably Bronson, Well yeah, Bronson Strickland yea yeah, just and

1076
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 1: it kind of reminded me of Charles Bronson, Like you know,

1077
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 1: a cop who doesn't play by the rules, but it's

1078
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 1: for a good cause, type of type of person that

1079
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 1: show before. Yeah, right, Yeah, what was the question. Yeah,

1080
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 1: gear right, I'll tell you. I know, I know what

1081
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 1: Mark gonna say, so I'll let him take that. But

1082
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 1: hands down, one of my favorite pieces of sick Of

1083
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 1: gear is the Kelvin light vest. And it does an

1084
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 1: amazing job. And it's I don't even think it's in

1085
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 1: the white tail system, um but but it is a

1086
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 1: down vest. It's a very light you can crunch it

1087
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 1: up to almost nothing. And I will walk to my

1088
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: tree stand with basically just a you know, something very

1089
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 1: light on, maybe that hoodie, the sick Of hoodie. Then

1090
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 1: I will uh get into my tree stand, I'll set

1091
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 1: up everything that I need to set up, let my

1092
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 1: body cool down a little bit. I will throw on

1093
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 1: one of my mid layers and then overtop of my

1094
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 1: mid layer. Before I put my shell on, I will

1095
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 1: put on that Kelvin light vest and it does an

1096
01:00:55,240 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 1: outstanding job of blocking wind and holding warmth. Yeah, and

1097
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 1: it's in and lightweight and not bulky, very lightweight, very

1098
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 1: like I'm telling you, you can wad it up and

1099
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 1: put it into like a cargo pant pocket. Yeah. Yeah,

1100
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 1: that having like horrible insulation like that, that isn't like

1101
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 1: a pain in the butt to carry with you in

1102
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 1: and out of the woods when you're not wearing it

1103
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 1: is something I love to right. The other piece for

1104
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 1: me um is the Marino Ultra Light Beanie. The Marino Beanie,

1105
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 1: and I I there's times when I'm wearing a stocking

1106
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 1: cap and it just over time, it just feels like

1107
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 1: it starts to irritate either my hair or it keeps

1108
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 1: sliding up or it Uh, I don't know. It's not

1109
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 1: covering what it needs to cover. Uh. And that ultra

1110
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 1: light beanie does an awesome job of not only keeping

1111
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 1: you warm while you're walking to the stand, right, it

1112
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 1: wicks away that moisture. But once you get in the

1113
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 1: stand you can pull it down. It's gonna cover your ears.

1114
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 1: It's gonna do um, It's not gonna slide up. And

1115
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 1: for as thin as it is, it does a great

1116
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 1: job holding warmth into your head, which is as we

1117
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 1: all know, like eight percent of the heat lost from

1118
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 1: your body goes through your head. Nice. Yeah, I've got

1119
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: one of those two, and I agree. It's nice. You

1120
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 1: mentioned like how sometimes you get your tae with like

1121
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 1: a bigger, thicker hat, like pushing into your hair, ears

1122
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 1: or something. I agree having a lightweight hat is nice

1123
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 1: to just avoid that. And it's it's kind of crazy

1124
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 1: because there's sometimes where I don't know, if you ever

1125
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 1: get this, your head may be kind of hot, so

1126
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 1: you'll take your hat off and it becomes difficult to

1127
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:43,919
Speaker 1: regulate your the rest of your body. And I'm talking

1128
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 1: in extremely cold situations like late season hunts, where you

1129
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:49,920
Speaker 1: take your hat off and then you get cold and

1130
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 1: you put your hat on, and then your body is

1131
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 1: kind of cold, and but your head is kind of hot.

1132
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 1: You know. I've run into some scenarios like that and that,

1133
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 1: and it's a it's a very really simple and from

1134
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 1: a from a cost standpoint, it's a great introductory introductory.

1135
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 1: Is that how you say it? Introductory? Yeah, introductory introductory. Uh,

1136
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 1: piece of piece of equipment from sick because it's not

1137
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 1: too crazy expensive. Yeah, that's that's an easy one to

1138
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 1: pick up and try out. And and the is there

1139
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 1: any is there any other pieces you're gonna mention or

1140
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 1: less that would kind of segue into something I would mention? Yeah, yep,

1141
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 1: I think those for me, those are the two that

1142
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 1: that stick out a lot nice. Well, I mean, as

1143
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 1: you mentioned the light marino wool hat is a great option.

1144
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 1: They also have bass layers of the same type of

1145
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 1: fabric that are really super nice. I also use one

1146
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:49,919
Speaker 1: of their Core late their Core light bass layers, which

1147
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 1: are synthetic. They're not in wool um, but they're synthetic

1148
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 1: bass layers, and I just think these are like the

1149
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 1: most one of the most important pieces that wear. No

1150
01:03:57,560 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 1: matter what type of clothing you wear, make sure you

1151
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 1: get some kind of moisture wicking bass layer. It makes

1152
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 1: such a huge difference, um, to get that sweat off you,

1153
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 1: to get you dried off, because when you walk in

1154
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 1: and out, no matter how hard you try to take

1155
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:13,640
Speaker 1: it easy and try not to sweat, you still do.

1156
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 1: At least I do. I can't. There's no way I

1157
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 1: can walk to a standard not sweat somewhat. Um. So

1158
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: being able to have that moisture taken off of your

1159
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 1: your skin by a bass layer, UM makes all the

1160
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 1: difference in the world being comfortable with staying warm. UM.

1161
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:31,920
Speaker 1: So definitely get equality set of bass layers. So for me,

1162
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 1: that's the Core Lightweight system from situ UM. Then I

1163
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 1: think you were alluding to this earlier. I love the

1164
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:42,919
Speaker 1: fanatic hoodie, right, you do too. Um. We've talked about

1165
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 1: any thing before, but it's got so many cool little

1166
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 1: built in features. Unless it's crazy, crazy hot, I am

1167
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 1: wearing that hoodie every single time I go out. It's

1168
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 1: not like a thick sweatshirt hoodie. It's more like a

1169
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 1: thick longsleeve shirt. UM. And it's got this really nice

1170
01:04:57,440 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 1: tight hood It's got a built in face mask that

1171
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 1: you can take on or off. It has a little

1172
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 1: kangaroo pocket for your hands. It has these built in

1173
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 1: hand mits that you can be you know, almost like

1174
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 1: wearing gloves. If it's really cold in the morning, you

1175
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 1: can slip over the cover on your hands. You can

1176
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 1: hold your bow and not freeze your hand off. Um.

1177
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 1: Some really nice smart features in there. So I've got

1178
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 1: the lightweight core bass layers I'm usually gonna wear in

1179
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 1: the early to mid season, I'm wearing my Stratus pants um,

1180
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 1: and then I'm going to have the Fanatic hoodie, and

1181
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 1: then when it gets a little bit colder, I then

1182
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 1: put on the Fanatic vest, which is similar primal loft insulation,

1183
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:38,000
Speaker 1: the wind stopper fabric that they have treatment that blocks

1184
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 1: the wind. It's pretty lightweight, packable, not quite as small

1185
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 1: as the the kelvin that you mentioned, Dan, but it's

1186
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 1: got some of the other features that the Fanatic jacket has,

1187
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 1: which is like, um, it's got the sideway zip that

1188
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 1: again allows for the kangaroo pocket handwarm pocket, which is

1189
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:55,959
Speaker 1: just so nice to have. It's got a little built

1190
01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 1: in like range finder grunt tupocket on the side. So

1191
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 1: I just got that last year and ended up wearing

1192
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 1: that and a lot of my hunts. And then once

1193
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 1: it gets super cold, then I switched out. I get

1194
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 1: rid of the stras pants and instead of put on

1195
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 1: the fanatic bibbs and the Fanatic jacket when it's like

1196
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 1: uber cold. And so that's my main system. That's what

1197
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 1: I'm rotating in and out. I'd say like eighty percent

1198
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 1: of my hunts, it's just the Stratas pants, Fanatic hoodie,

1199
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 1: Fanatic vest um. But then once you get to like

1200
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 1: late November and December, then I'm going to the bigger

1201
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 1: stuff that's super warm, wind proof. I mean, that's going

1202
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:33,440
Speaker 1: to keep you out in the woods when you need

1203
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:36,480
Speaker 1: to be so um. I Also he did mention the shacket,

1204
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 1: which is a piece that I really like as well.

1205
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 1: That's basically like a T shirt jacket. Um, it's a

1206
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:44,920
Speaker 1: jacket that just doesn't have sleeves from the elbow down

1207
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 1: and I like that a lot. Um. But when I

1208
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:49,440
Speaker 1: got the Phanatic vest, I ended up going with the

1209
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 1: Fanatic vest a little bit more because that had the

1210
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 1: wind stopper, so that blocked the wind. The shack it

1211
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:58,160
Speaker 1: didn't the shack. It was meant more as an inside piece. Um.

1212
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:03,760
Speaker 1: But both of really nice. Um, I put go ahead.

1213
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say I was actually meaning to

1214
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 1: do a video sometimes here soon going through all the

1215
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 1: different pieces of SICK that I've used, because I actually

1216
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 1: haven't like done a review of it or like a

1217
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 1: comprehensive um walk through by different gear, my different clothing.

1218
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 1: They haven't done that in years, So I was gonna

1219
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 1: do that soon and I'll try to do the next

1220
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 1: few weeks. But this kind of gives you a little

1221
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 1: bit of a preview, I guess, and just kind of

1222
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 1: a word of warning. UM, I just want I should

1223
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 1: have mentioned it when I was talking about it, but

1224
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 1: that Calvin light vest it is not an outer layer piece.

1225
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is, um, it's not

1226
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 1: designed to get wet and it's loud, so if you're

1227
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 1: gonna use it, use it underneath of another layer of

1228
01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 1: something that will muffle the noise on it because it

1229
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 1: does have um. It is kind of I don't even

1230
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 1: know what the term does it say is but it's

1231
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 1: a it's a little noisy if you brush, if you

1232
01:07:57,360 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 1: brush up against it. But you mentioned the shack at.

1233
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:03,520
Speaker 1: So what I'll do is, depending if it's cold but

1234
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:07,080
Speaker 1: their son um and there's not so much wind, i

1235
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 1: won't wear outer shell, I'll wear a bass layer, I'll

1236
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 1: wear my fanatic hoodie, I will wear the Ultra like

1237
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:20,800
Speaker 1: or the Calvin vest and then I'll put my shack

1238
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 1: at over top of that. So that will that muffles

1239
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:26,560
Speaker 1: that that sound. But I'm telling you right now, it

1240
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 1: stops the wind and it holds the heat very well. Yeah,

1241
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:34,880
Speaker 1: and that shack it is it does have that much

1242
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 1: choiter outer fabric, so that works out nicely for that way.

1243
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 1: That's that's an important thing to remember because when Sika

1244
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:44,600
Speaker 1: produces these pieces, they are really for specific needs and

1245
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 1: so things like that Celsius. That Celsius line is specifically

1246
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:51,759
Speaker 1: for an insulator, a mid layer piece which goes between

1247
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 1: your basse layer and your outer layers. So you know,

1248
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 1: as if if you're going to try this gear, keep

1249
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 1: that in mind that it works as a system. Um,

1250
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:00,519
Speaker 1: and I know a lot of people we need to

1251
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 1: like work our way into it because you might not

1252
01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 1: be able to get you know, six things all at once.

1253
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 1: So just think about that when you're when you're putting

1254
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 1: your your pieces together, how they might work together. And

1255
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 1: then if you have to start with one or other,

1256
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:15,719
Speaker 1: you know which ones you get first. So that's something.

1257
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 1: What would you recommend as the very first piece of

1258
01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 1: sitka that somebody should pick up? If I can only

1259
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 1: get one individual piece, um, and if I already had

1260
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:32,479
Speaker 1: some bass layers that were serviceable, UM, my very first

1261
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 1: piece will probably the fanaticality, um, just because I wear

1262
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 1: that so much and it's unique compared to like any

1263
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:45,679
Speaker 1: other thing you're gonna have. Um, that's probably my absolute favor. Yeah, yeah,

1264
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:48,559
Speaker 1: I would have to go with it, Like you said,

1265
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:51,760
Speaker 1: the bass layer, like first and foremost. If you don't

1266
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 1: have a good bass layer, get a good bass layer,

1267
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 1: because a bass layer controls your body temperature from you know,

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01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:03,720
Speaker 1: because before I started doing layering, you'd walk to the

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01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:06,760
Speaker 1: tree stand, you'd be sweaty, and after thirty minutes, you're

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01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 1: cold for the entire rest of the hunt, right, those

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01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:13,720
Speaker 1: cold sweats. Oh yeah, and that sucks. And then you're

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01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:16,760
Speaker 1: not thinking about hunting, you're thinking about staying warm. So

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01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 1: if you don't have, if you already have a bass layer,

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01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:22,400
Speaker 1: a good bass layer, I would have to go with

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01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:25,640
Speaker 1: the hoodie or dude, I I don't know what it is,

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01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 1: but that vest is ridiculously good. Yeah, I hear you,

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01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 1: I hear you. It's just so nice to be able

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01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:35,080
Speaker 1: to have that quick and easy way to warm up.

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01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, like you have that mid October,

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01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:39,760
Speaker 1: late October hunt when it's kind of warm in the day,

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01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:41,639
Speaker 1: so you're just gonna walk in with your long sleep.

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01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:44,560
Speaker 1: But then like the last fifteen minutes of daylight, the

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01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:46,600
Speaker 1: sun starts setting and you start getting that nip in

1284
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:48,080
Speaker 1: the air and you're like, oh, gosh, I wish I

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01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:51,720
Speaker 1: had something. But you know, lots of times that you do,

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01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:53,800
Speaker 1: you don't pack it because you don't want to carry something. Well,

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01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:56,720
Speaker 1: when you've got that little vest like that, that's so convenient,

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01:10:57,200 --> 01:11:00,240
Speaker 1: it's it's it's there all the time. Yeah, absolutely, So

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Speaker 1: that's nice. Okay, So before we get to our next question,

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Speaker 1: we're going to pause one more time for a big

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Speaker 1: thanks to our partners at White Tailed Properties who stepped

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Speaker 1: up big time to help make this podcast possible. And

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Speaker 1: as you've been hearing over the past few months, each

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Speaker 1: week in this segment, we've been getting some great bits

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Speaker 1: and pieces of white tail wisdom from White Tailed Properties

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Speaker 1: land specialists. As I'm sure you've been picking up already,

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Speaker 1: this team of folks over there is top notch. They

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Speaker 1: truly are incredible resources and experts when it comes to

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Speaker 1: deer and hunting and habitat improvements and of course buy

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Speaker 1: and selling land. And today I want to make sure

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Speaker 1: you're aware that White Tailed Properties team members have actually

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Speaker 1: appeared in the past on this podcast for entire episodes,

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Speaker 1: and those interviews are just jam packed with helpful insight.

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Speaker 1: So once you're done listening to this one, if you

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Speaker 1: have a little more time or maybe bookmark these for later,

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Speaker 1: check out episode number forty six with Dan Pereze and

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01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:55,120
Speaker 1: which we talk about shut hunting, Episode number ninety two

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01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:57,680
Speaker 1: with Ben Harshine, where we talk about using maps to

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01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 1: improve your hunting number. Again with Dan perez And we

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01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:03,680
Speaker 1: talked about how average jokes can go about buying their

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01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 1: first piece of hunting land. Episode one eleven with Jake

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01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 1: Elinger in which we cover all sorts of small property

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Speaker 1: hunting and habitat ideas, and then an episode one nineteen

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Speaker 1: with Tony Hansen in which we discuss tactics for hunting

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Speaker 1: heavily pressured areas. These are some great episodes. I think

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Speaker 1: you really enjoy them, so check them out. And if

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Speaker 1: you want to learn more about white tail properties in general,

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Speaker 1: you can visit white tailed properties dot com. Now back

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Speaker 1: to the show. Okay, next question, um, next, let's see here. Okay,

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Speaker 1: this is from Charlie S. Charlie is a sixteen year

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01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:43,320
Speaker 1: old white tail and turkey hunter. In the past few years,

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01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:45,479
Speaker 1: he's really gotten in deer hunting on his father's two

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01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:49,679
Speaker 1: and fifty acre farm in Ohio. The farm has seventy

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01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:52,360
Speaker 1: acres of woods, so that means it's a lot of

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01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 1: open field. To his dad isn't a big deer hunt

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01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:57,800
Speaker 1: at all, so he has practically learned everything on his

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01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:01,840
Speaker 1: own from watching hunting shows and video was Um. He's

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01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:05,599
Speaker 1: wondering what he can do to two more consistently draw

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01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:08,599
Speaker 1: in mature bucks and make the woods an ideal home

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01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:11,120
Speaker 1: for deer. He said, last year he killed a nice

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01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 1: eight pointer and he was just wondering how kid like

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01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:15,519
Speaker 1: me could advance my hunting skills and make a better

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01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:20,800
Speaker 1: white tail property. So big, that's a big question, very

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01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:22,920
Speaker 1: big and broad question. I figured we could like maybe

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01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:25,920
Speaker 1: touch on a few intro ideas for him. Maybe I'll

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01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:29,560
Speaker 1: let you, I'll let you kick it off. Okay, So

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Speaker 1: if i'm you know, hopefully hopefully Charlie, your dad can

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01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:36,880
Speaker 1: help you out, or someone who can help you out

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01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:40,439
Speaker 1: that has some equipment or something um or experience doing

1340
01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:42,759
Speaker 1: these types of things. But if you've got two fifty acres,

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01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 1: of which seventy acres maybe our woods, if the rest

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01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:48,080
Speaker 1: is like you know, some farm field that maybe you

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01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 1: can't mess around with. Let's now just think about that

1344
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:53,880
Speaker 1: seventy acres um and I think rather than like talking

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01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 1: like really really detailed, I would recommend zooming out a

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01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:00,760
Speaker 1: little bit and look at the big picture. So look

1347
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 1: at your property and look at like what do I

1348
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 1: have the deer want and need? So what kind of

1349
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:08,240
Speaker 1: food do we have in this property? You know, what

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01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:10,800
Speaker 1: are the crops that are planned around here? What kind

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01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:13,560
Speaker 1: of foods in the woods? Is there a lot of understory,

1352
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:15,840
Speaker 1: lots of new brush and growth of the deer eating.

1353
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:18,559
Speaker 1: Are there a lot of oak trees and acorns and stuff?

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01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:21,160
Speaker 1: Are there apple trees or some other type of master

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01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:23,240
Speaker 1: tree that's producing good food? So figure, okay, what kind

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01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:25,360
Speaker 1: of food do I have? Look and see what kind

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01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:27,479
Speaker 1: of water do I have? Do you have any water? Um?

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01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:29,080
Speaker 1: And then they're what kind of cover do I have?

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01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:31,400
Speaker 1: Do I do I have good security cover? Because right,

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01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 1: those are the three things dear need. They need food, water,

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01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:35,240
Speaker 1: and they need security in the form of some type

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01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 1: of cover. So identify that stuff on your property, figure

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01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 1: out what you have which you don't have. Then zoom

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01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 1: out further and look at your neighbors and try to,

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01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:46,280
Speaker 1: you know, based on looking at the maps or from

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01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 1: talking to them or looking over the fence line or

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01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 1: something like that, try to see what do they have.

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01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 1: Do they have lots of food? Do they have lots

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01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:54,840
Speaker 1: of cover? Do they have lots of water? Do they

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01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:57,720
Speaker 1: not have any of those things? Now you can start

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Speaker 1: to see where the discrepancies are and that it's gonna

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01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:03,559
Speaker 1: help you improve your property in the in the most

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01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:06,240
Speaker 1: bang for your buck type of way. So let's just

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Speaker 1: say hypothetically that your neighbor has got the best food

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01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:13,439
Speaker 1: in the world. He's got food plots all over the place.

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01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 1: It's a deer buffet, but he's got no cover. It's

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01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:22,320
Speaker 1: just like big mature timber and it's wide open um.

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01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 1: What you can probably reasonably guess is that the deer

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01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:26,519
Speaker 1: going to feed over there, but they're not going to

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01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 1: bed over there in that junkie wallet cover, or you know,

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01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:31,720
Speaker 1: if they do, they could be easily convinced to go

1382
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:34,600
Speaker 1: somewhere else. So there's an opportunity for you there. You

1383
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 1: now have an opportunity to say, Okay, I know that

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01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:39,800
Speaker 1: covers lacking around me. Maybe I can produce the very

1385
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:41,840
Speaker 1: best cover in the area. And if you do that,

1386
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna get a disproportionate number of deer coming to

1387
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:47,120
Speaker 1: spend time on your property because you're providing something that's

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01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 1: unique in the area that they want and need. Um.

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01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 1: So that's one way to think about where to spend

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01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 1: your time and energy when trying to improve it. It

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01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:57,120
Speaker 1: might be the other way around. Maybe you know, maybe

1392
01:15:57,160 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 1: there's tons of cover on the neighbors but no food. Well,

1393
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:02,000
Speaker 1: now maybe you can carve out some food plots in

1394
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:07,040
Speaker 1: your woods, open up some area. Um, you know, if

1395
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:10,479
Speaker 1: if all those things being equal and like everything is

1396
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:12,240
Speaker 1: the same all around you and you just want to

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01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 1: try to improve improve your property a little bit, obviously,

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01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:17,040
Speaker 1: i'd say, you know, start small. If it's just you

1399
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:19,479
Speaker 1: and your dad working on it. Um, there's some easy

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01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:21,599
Speaker 1: things you can do. If there's any way you can

1401
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:23,760
Speaker 1: clear out a few little areas to plant some like

1402
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:26,240
Speaker 1: honey hoole type food plots, some little food plots that

1403
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:29,639
Speaker 1: can help you attract deer to a specific location. Um,

1404
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 1: that's a great way to improve your hunting and also

1405
01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:35,439
Speaker 1: provide some things to your property. They're going to increase

1406
01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:38,040
Speaker 1: deer activity. And then also try to improve a couple

1407
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:40,599
Speaker 1: of areas for cover. So I would try to identify

1408
01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 1: someplace within that woods that can be some type of

1409
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 1: sanctuary that you never go into, that you leave as

1410
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:48,200
Speaker 1: a place that the that some deer can can bet

1411
01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:50,400
Speaker 1: in and live in and not feel that they're getting

1412
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:53,360
Speaker 1: pressure all time. If you can provide that security, you're

1413
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 1: gonna hold deer. And then if you've got that, then

1414
01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:58,559
Speaker 1: you know, okay, there's gonna be dear better than that sanctuary.

1415
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:01,800
Speaker 1: And maybe you create too little tiny eighth acre food

1416
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:04,040
Speaker 1: plots that are about a hundred yards away each and

1417
01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 1: you know that, Okay, if I can get to this

1418
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:08,360
Speaker 1: little food plot, there's probably gonna be deer coming from

1419
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:10,920
Speaker 1: that sanctuary. UM. And now you just set up your

1420
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:13,160
Speaker 1: tree stands in between, or you think about how you

1421
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:14,920
Speaker 1: can hunt with wind to make sure you're not blowing

1422
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:18,200
Speaker 1: into that sanctuary. UM. So just I mean this is

1423
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:21,720
Speaker 1: this is very high level, simplified, but just a few

1424
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:23,920
Speaker 1: things to think about. UM. You know, just try to

1425
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:25,519
Speaker 1: get something start. It's hard to do a ton of

1426
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:27,840
Speaker 1: things all once. So I'd like, you know, do a

1427
01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:30,320
Speaker 1: little hinge cutting this where you're cutting a tree halfway,

1428
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:32,840
Speaker 1: pushing it over, and that's a great way to create

1429
01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:36,040
Speaker 1: new cover to open up the canopy. UM. Or maybe

1430
01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:38,439
Speaker 1: your dad or someone can hire someone to come at

1431
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:40,680
Speaker 1: you know, someone from a logging company and they might

1432
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:42,479
Speaker 1: do a selective cut and part your timber in that

1433
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:45,760
Speaker 1: sanctuary area to create a great cover. UM. Maybe pick

1434
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:47,760
Speaker 1: one of the things that I've just mentioned and look

1435
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:50,200
Speaker 1: into it more, do some more reading, UM and try

1436
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:51,840
Speaker 1: that out this year, and then the next year you

1437
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:53,479
Speaker 1: try a little more. The next year you try a

1438
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:56,880
Speaker 1: little more. UM. But at a high level. Look at

1439
01:17:56,920 --> 01:17:59,240
Speaker 1: what you've got, Look what your neighbors have. Try to

1440
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 1: fill that gap up. And um, remember deer need food, cover, water,

1441
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:09,559
Speaker 1: and some security. So that's what I got, Dan Nice.

1442
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:14,360
Speaker 1: So here's my take. Right, you're sixteen years old. Uh,

1443
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:17,040
Speaker 1: you're able to work, right, And I don't know if

1444
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:19,320
Speaker 1: you work for your dad on the farm or you

1445
01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 1: have a job, but if your dad is the farmer

1446
01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:26,400
Speaker 1: of this property, that means you have a hundred and

1447
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:31,240
Speaker 1: what eighty acres of egg on your property. I would

1448
01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:34,720
Speaker 1: start off and not necessarily worry about food plots, but

1449
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:38,280
Speaker 1: talk to your dad or the farmer about leaving some

1450
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:43,880
Speaker 1: of that crop standing, uh for egg food plots. Right,

1451
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:46,439
Speaker 1: I mean you have a hundred and eighty acre food

1452
01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:49,679
Speaker 1: plot on your property, So talk to whoever the farmer

1453
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:53,400
Speaker 1: is about leaving some of that soybeans I take it,

1454
01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:57,440
Speaker 1: or corn standing. And that is just a great opportunity

1455
01:18:57,479 --> 01:19:01,799
Speaker 1: to concentrate deer that are already coming to a field

1456
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:04,680
Speaker 1: down into a smaller area. And I think what you'll

1457
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 1: find is, especially late season, uh, you'll be able to

1458
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:12,040
Speaker 1: catch a lot of deer coming to some of those

1459
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:16,479
Speaker 1: uh standing egg fields that haven't been cut yet uh

1460
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 1: so trade labor for whether you need to help your

1461
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:23,400
Speaker 1: dad or whoever the farmer is on this piece of property,

1462
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:25,559
Speaker 1: say hey, I'll be able to I'll do some work

1463
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 1: for you around the farm if you leave you know, uh,

1464
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:32,760
Speaker 1: an acre or two standing. I don't and I don't

1465
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:35,439
Speaker 1: even know how many bushels are in an acre and

1466
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:38,640
Speaker 1: what that would cost, you know, the farmer, to to

1467
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:43,160
Speaker 1: actually leave it up. But that is that's the very

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01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:48,000
Speaker 1: first thing that um popped into my head. Would be, uh,

1469
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:52,160
Speaker 1: would be to to leave some some kind of crop

1470
01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 1: standing if if that's an option. The second thing is

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01:19:56,000 --> 01:20:00,400
Speaker 1: learn how to run a chainsaw, and there tons of

1472
01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:04,320
Speaker 1: information out there on how to hingecut, how to create betting.

1473
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:07,160
Speaker 1: Read up on that. And then the other thing is

1474
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:11,000
Speaker 1: and I I think I heard him say strategy in

1475
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 1: that question, right. If not, let's just throw it in there, okay,

1476
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:20,519
Speaker 1: But my strategy is to stop watching outdoor television and

1477
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:24,560
Speaker 1: do not listen to what those people are telling you,

1478
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:30,080
Speaker 1: because a majority of outdoor television is hunting highly managed

1479
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 1: farms on giant food plots that are um. You know

1480
01:20:35,479 --> 01:20:39,439
Speaker 1: that that that piece of property is manicured for one

1481
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:43,080
Speaker 1: reason and one reason only, and that is white tails.

1482
01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:46,040
Speaker 1: You are not hunting that kind of property. So you

1483
01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:49,840
Speaker 1: need to be as observant as humanly possible on your

1484
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:54,880
Speaker 1: own properties. How do your move in and kind of

1485
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:59,040
Speaker 1: perform a continuous learning type of scenario in your brain document,

1486
01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:03,080
Speaker 1: you know, observe where you're finding rubs, where you're finding scrapes,

1487
01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:06,800
Speaker 1: and learn on your own property. Yes, some of those people,

1488
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:12,439
Speaker 1: UM can provide you some principles, but it's gonna be

1489
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:15,719
Speaker 1: up to you to apply those principles to your own property.

1490
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:19,360
Speaker 1: So that's just kind of a little rant that I had.

1491
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:22,080
Speaker 1: It's the only person that can make you a better

1492
01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:26,120
Speaker 1: hunter as you and and from a property standpoint, you

1493
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:28,080
Speaker 1: have to you have to go on your property. You

1494
01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:31,680
Speaker 1: have to scout it every year, multiple times a year.

1495
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:34,800
Speaker 1: You know, within reason, got shed hunting, look for those

1496
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:37,479
Speaker 1: beds after the season is already over, try to find

1497
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:41,880
Speaker 1: those thick areas. And uh, it all comes down to time, right,

1498
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:44,320
Speaker 1: how much time are we going to dedicate to this

1499
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:48,479
Speaker 1: property and to becoming a better deer hunter. Yeah, that's

1500
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:50,759
Speaker 1: some that's some really good advice. I'm glad you mentioned

1501
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:54,640
Speaker 1: that stuff too. UM, A lot of good stuff that

1502
01:21:54,720 --> 01:22:00,280
Speaker 1: was a great answer, Dan like to have there what happened?

1503
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:05,960
Speaker 1: I blocked out, Um, I don't want to follow that.

1504
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:09,519
Speaker 1: I was just like, yeah, yeah, good, I don't know

1505
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:14,280
Speaker 1: anything else. I mean, dude, I wish that there was

1506
01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:19,000
Speaker 1: podcasts like this when I was growing up, right, because

1507
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:21,120
Speaker 1: when I was growing up, the only type of content

1508
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:26,880
Speaker 1: was magazines that were typically the same type of articles

1509
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:29,760
Speaker 1: that are being written today. Five tips to kill a

1510
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:32,000
Speaker 1: big buck, ten tips to kill a big buck. You know,

1511
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:35,000
Speaker 1: all these tips and tricks, and it's just the same

1512
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:38,160
Speaker 1: information every year, year after year after year, and then

1513
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:41,280
Speaker 1: and then the television shows when I was growing up

1514
01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:44,240
Speaker 1: is here comes a buck shoot it, here comes a

1515
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:45,760
Speaker 1: buck shoot it. And I know there's a little bit

1516
01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:48,400
Speaker 1: more to that than you know today than there is now,

1517
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:51,240
Speaker 1: but you're not getting an education doing that. It's mostly

1518
01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:56,760
Speaker 1: just entertainment. Yeah, exactly, So learn that. Learn now that

1519
01:22:57,360 --> 01:23:01,280
Speaker 1: you're in charge, not anybody else. Yeah. And to your point,

1520
01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:04,320
Speaker 1: and we're likely very biased, given that we're podcast hosts,

1521
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:09,760
Speaker 1: but but I really do believe that this medium allows

1522
01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:12,880
Speaker 1: for level of education that you just can't get with

1523
01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:15,439
Speaker 1: any other any of the other things the TV. With

1524
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:19,280
Speaker 1: a magazine article. Um, I can't. I'm sure you've gotten

1525
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:21,040
Speaker 1: the same thing. I can't tell you how many emails

1526
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:23,320
Speaker 1: I've gotten from people that have been listening to this

1527
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:26,400
Speaker 1: over the years, um, who are saying that this has

1528
01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:28,360
Speaker 1: changed the way they deer hunt in the past year

1529
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:31,840
Speaker 1: or two more than in thirty years of hunting beforehand. Um.

1530
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:34,639
Speaker 1: Because we're able to have these long conversations with people,

1531
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:37,680
Speaker 1: get lots and lots of different perspectives, break them down,

1532
01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:41,040
Speaker 1: think about them, talk about them, try these things ourselves, um,

1533
01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:45,240
Speaker 1: and experiments. So this is a shameless, shameless plug, but um,

1534
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:50,000
Speaker 1: well it's true. Mark. Do you hunt large pieces of

1535
01:23:50,120 --> 01:23:53,040
Speaker 1: managed property? Do you use an outfitter? Do you have

1536
01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:56,400
Speaker 1: hundreds of acres of food plots? No? No, no, ande

1537
01:23:56,479 --> 01:23:58,680
Speaker 1: no right. So I'm not trying to talk ship on

1538
01:23:58,720 --> 01:24:01,760
Speaker 1: the people who do have those things, because we all

1539
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:07,080
Speaker 1: have different scenarios, you know, we all have different hand

1540
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:09,599
Speaker 1: of cards that's been dealt to us. But one thing

1541
01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:12,920
Speaker 1: that just really pisces me off is when somebody tries

1542
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:17,240
Speaker 1: to give advice to their to the listener, you know,

1543
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:19,680
Speaker 1: when they just pulled up to an outfitter and got

1544
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 1: out sattary stand and killed a deer. I'm sorry for

1545
01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:24,360
Speaker 1: the rant. No, and I hear you just say I

1546
01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:27,360
Speaker 1: just that's and then I think, I think it gets

1547
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:32,120
Speaker 1: it gets twisted because then you have very impressionable And

1548
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:36,120
Speaker 1: I'm not here to, um, you know, talk trash on

1549
01:24:36,240 --> 01:24:39,240
Speaker 1: his age because he's he's he's he emailed you or

1550
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:42,519
Speaker 1: typed in that question because he sincerely wants to know

1551
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:45,800
Speaker 1: how to be a better deer hunter. And if we don't,

1552
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:49,840
Speaker 1: you know, we have a responsibility as content providers in

1553
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:55,160
Speaker 1: my opinion too say stuff that is going to I guess,

1554
01:24:55,479 --> 01:24:57,599
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't you know, I'll just put

1555
01:24:57,640 --> 01:24:59,800
Speaker 1: it this way. I don't know about food plots really,

1556
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:02,400
Speaker 1: so I'm not going to really comment on food plots, right,

1557
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:06,920
Speaker 1: right and that kind of stuff. Yes, yes, And I

1558
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:10,360
Speaker 1: think the way I've always looked at it is, I

1559
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:13,200
Speaker 1: like when I'm watching a TV show or something, just

1560
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:17,160
Speaker 1: look at it. What's the right way? Put take it

1561
01:25:17,240 --> 01:25:19,000
Speaker 1: forward it Take it for what it is. Yeah, it's

1562
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:21,320
Speaker 1: it's entertainment. But don't try to look at that and

1563
01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:22,920
Speaker 1: think that that's what your hunting is going to be

1564
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:25,240
Speaker 1: like or should be like. Because to your point in

1565
01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:27,960
Speaker 1: a lot of people either have lots of money, time,

1566
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:30,640
Speaker 1: and energy they put into this area to create this

1567
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:32,920
Speaker 1: amazing spot, which is great and fine, and they have

1568
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:36,240
Speaker 1: that and that's tremendous UM. But you may not have

1569
01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:39,360
Speaker 1: those same resources or opportunities, so you're gonna have a

1570
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:42,280
Speaker 1: different set of situations. Work with that you got. But

1571
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:46,560
Speaker 1: I will say, UM, when you do find people that

1572
01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:49,800
Speaker 1: seem to be providing advice at least are providing UM

1573
01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:53,360
Speaker 1: insight into their own experiences, take that if you can,

1574
01:25:53,439 --> 01:25:55,560
Speaker 1: and find ways to apply to your own experience. So

1575
01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:59,360
Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely. So what I like what we do here

1576
01:25:59,439 --> 01:26:01,360
Speaker 1: and with what you're doing Dan and a number of

1577
01:26:01,400 --> 01:26:03,559
Speaker 1: other folks, is we try to get people from all

1578
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:05,960
Speaker 1: sorts of different situations. So sometimes we're talking to someone

1579
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 1: who wants public lane. Sometimes we're talking to somebody who

1580
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:11,240
Speaker 1: hunts a little lease. Sometimes we're talking to someone who

1581
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:14,680
Speaker 1: has two thousand acres that they heavily manage. UM, as

1582
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:16,760
Speaker 1: long as that person is saying, hey, this is what

1583
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:19,560
Speaker 1: I do, this is how it works for me, this

1584
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:23,200
Speaker 1: is what I've learned. UM, just listen to them say hey,

1585
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:25,400
Speaker 1: this may not be the same for me, but maybe

1586
01:26:25,439 --> 01:26:26,920
Speaker 1: I can take something from it that I can apply

1587
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:28,400
Speaker 1: to it. And I think if you listen to people

1588
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:31,719
Speaker 1: with through that lens um, you can take little tiny

1589
01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:35,360
Speaker 1: pieces and build that puzzle on your own forty acres

1590
01:26:35,479 --> 01:26:38,240
Speaker 1: or whatever it might be that you're that you're hunting on. Right,

1591
01:26:38,479 --> 01:26:40,960
Speaker 1: I want to say one more thing about a sixteen

1592
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:44,840
Speaker 1: year old kid, right, be a good kid and and

1593
01:26:45,640 --> 01:26:48,320
Speaker 1: and I say this because I was an asshole as

1594
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:50,759
Speaker 1: a sixteen year old, right. I was getting in trouble

1595
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:54,160
Speaker 1: all the time. I was, you know, partying and and

1596
01:26:54,280 --> 01:26:59,880
Speaker 1: doing all these dumb things. Be good, help your pay

1597
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:02,160
Speaker 1: it's out. And this is gonna sound kind of like

1598
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:05,040
Speaker 1: an after school special or the you know, the more

1599
01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:10,000
Speaker 1: you know, but yeah, the whole point is this cold

1600
01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:14,040
Speaker 1: fronts coming through in November. You got a dear patterned

1601
01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:16,720
Speaker 1: the night before, and you can't hunt him that next

1602
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:19,400
Speaker 1: morning because you got to go to school. So if

1603
01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:21,280
Speaker 1: you're a good kid, you talk to your mom, you

1604
01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:23,599
Speaker 1: talk to your dad, and you're just like, oh man, dad,

1605
01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:27,960
Speaker 1: I can can you call me in for you know,

1606
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:31,040
Speaker 1: Sam sick or I'm gonna be late to school because

1607
01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:32,720
Speaker 1: I want to be on this buck. And if you

1608
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:35,000
Speaker 1: work hard on the farm and your dad sees that

1609
01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:38,680
Speaker 1: that's your passion, he'll be more likely to help you

1610
01:27:39,439 --> 01:27:42,000
Speaker 1: accomplish that goal by maybe making a phone call for

1611
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:44,880
Speaker 1: you someday. It's a great point and and something you

1612
01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:47,000
Speaker 1: and we have talked about is like we look back

1613
01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:49,639
Speaker 1: on our college years too, and like, I wish we weren't,

1614
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:51,600
Speaker 1: you know, off doing stupid things when we could have,

1615
01:27:51,880 --> 01:27:53,800
Speaker 1: you know, we had all that time and not quite

1616
01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:56,439
Speaker 1: as much responsibility and obligation as we have now. We

1617
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:59,280
Speaker 1: could have been going on more hunting trips or planning better,

1618
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:01,559
Speaker 1: you know, things on our properties or whatever it might

1619
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:03,519
Speaker 1: have been. We could have been way ahead of where

1620
01:28:03,560 --> 01:28:05,680
Speaker 1: we are now if we've been this into it and

1621
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:07,400
Speaker 1: putting as much time into it when we were sixteen

1622
01:28:07,479 --> 01:28:10,720
Speaker 1: seventeen eighteen, rather than out chasing girls or something. Um.

1623
01:28:11,400 --> 01:28:14,160
Speaker 1: Of course, you know, you gotta enjoy your enjoy your youth.

1624
01:28:14,439 --> 01:28:18,280
Speaker 1: But man, be good, get your deer hunting in early.

1625
01:28:18,360 --> 01:28:19,720
Speaker 1: Take advantage of the fact that you don't have a

1626
01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:23,200
Speaker 1: full time job maybe yet, or the family. And uh,

1627
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:27,439
Speaker 1: there's so much advice I want to give this kid,

1628
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:32,000
Speaker 1: and it's not necessarily advice, but I will. I look

1629
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:34,479
Speaker 1: back now, and I found my passion in life. I

1630
01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:38,000
Speaker 1: guess a little bit later than probably what's his name again, Charlie,

1631
01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:42,320
Speaker 1: Charlie what Charlie found? Right? So he he's he loves

1632
01:28:42,360 --> 01:28:44,320
Speaker 1: to deer hunt. It sounds like right, and he um,

1633
01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:47,599
Speaker 1: he wants to get into it and be more successful. Um.

1634
01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:51,599
Speaker 1: I just like for me, the things that I thought

1635
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:54,559
Speaker 1: were important as a kid are not important. The things

1636
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:58,559
Speaker 1: that I thought were important as even a young adult,

1637
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:01,839
Speaker 1: or hell, even even in my mid twenties after college,

1638
01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:06,040
Speaker 1: we're not important. Like I don't know how much time

1639
01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:09,760
Speaker 1: I wasted sitting at a bar, you know, a bar

1640
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:13,280
Speaker 1: stool when I should have been out climbing mountains, hiking

1641
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:18,840
Speaker 1: and um, setting trail cameras, Yeah, setting trail cameras, and

1642
01:29:19,160 --> 01:29:21,600
Speaker 1: you know, going on Western trips, you know, saving my

1643
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:25,479
Speaker 1: summer money so I could go on a Western trip,

1644
01:29:25,640 --> 01:29:28,080
Speaker 1: and you know, going out to eat all the time,

1645
01:29:28,280 --> 01:29:33,280
Speaker 1: and and just wasted time. Don't do what I did, right,

1646
01:29:33,439 --> 01:29:37,679
Speaker 1: I mean, find something you're passionate about, you're passionate about,

1647
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:41,160
Speaker 1: and go head first into it. And that's that. I mean,

1648
01:29:41,400 --> 01:29:44,240
Speaker 1: this is not about deer hunting at this point. It's

1649
01:29:44,240 --> 01:29:47,040
Speaker 1: about don't waste don't don't do dumb sh it like me,

1650
01:29:47,880 --> 01:29:50,559
Speaker 1: because that time never comes back. You know what doesn't

1651
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:54,800
Speaker 1: and then then you're then you're thirty six years old saying, man,

1652
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:56,640
Speaker 1: I wish I did this, and you can't live your

1653
01:29:56,680 --> 01:30:02,000
Speaker 1: life that way. It's true, it's true. Man. Well, speaking

1654
01:30:02,080 --> 01:30:06,160
Speaker 1: of hunting trips, hunting trips, we've got a question. We've

1655
01:30:06,160 --> 01:30:10,240
Speaker 1: got two questions about trips um. This one. It might

1656
01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:11,920
Speaker 1: be a quick answer because I just did a little

1657
01:30:11,960 --> 01:30:13,479
Speaker 1: looking into it. I'm not sure if you're gonna have

1658
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:15,920
Speaker 1: anything to add to this or not, but we'll tackle

1659
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:17,920
Speaker 1: it just in case anyone else is in the same boat.

1660
01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:20,600
Speaker 1: We got a question from Chris m who goes to

1661
01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:23,719
Speaker 1: Kansas every year on a rut cation, but he started

1662
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:27,400
Speaker 1: putting in for Iowa points as well, and he expects

1663
01:30:27,439 --> 01:30:30,200
Speaker 1: to get drawn in a few years when he has

1664
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:33,200
Speaker 1: his third preference point. Um. The issue, though, he says

1665
01:30:33,280 --> 01:30:37,200
Speaker 1: that the Iowa application, this is the nonresident application process

1666
01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:42,040
Speaker 1: starts after the Kansas application ends um and you also

1667
01:30:42,160 --> 01:30:44,960
Speaker 1: find out about your Kansas tag before you can get

1668
01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:47,120
Speaker 1: drawn for Iowa. So the dilemma is that if you

1669
01:30:47,200 --> 01:30:50,120
Speaker 1: get drawn for Kansas and also get drawn for Iowa,

1670
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:53,040
Speaker 1: you can't get a refund on your Kansas tag um

1671
01:30:53,160 --> 01:30:54,560
Speaker 1: if you only want to go to Iowa and you

1672
01:30:54,640 --> 01:30:57,040
Speaker 1: can't do both. Um. So his questions, what do I

1673
01:30:57,080 --> 01:30:58,560
Speaker 1: do in the situation if I want to try to

1674
01:30:58,640 --> 01:31:01,560
Speaker 1: draw an Iowa tag but I don't want to not

1675
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:04,519
Speaker 1: be able to hunt Kansas is his question if he can't,

1676
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:07,360
Speaker 1: you know, get the IOA tag. So I looked into

1677
01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:11,879
Speaker 1: a little bit further um and what I would recommend

1678
01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:14,120
Speaker 1: because he doesn't want to he does he wants to

1679
01:31:14,200 --> 01:31:17,040
Speaker 1: avoid being a situation where he can't get either tag,

1680
01:31:17,320 --> 01:31:19,080
Speaker 1: but he loved to hunt Iowa some day. So I

1681
01:31:19,080 --> 01:31:22,439
Speaker 1: would say two things. Number one, Iowa publishes the drawing

1682
01:31:22,479 --> 01:31:26,800
Speaker 1: odds from the previous year for non resident applications. So

1683
01:31:27,520 --> 01:31:29,599
Speaker 1: look up on the Iowa dn our website and look

1684
01:31:29,680 --> 01:31:33,639
Speaker 1: at those those odds for the unit for the zone

1685
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:36,360
Speaker 1: that you are that you're trying to hunt, and they'll

1686
01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:38,479
Speaker 1: tell you that you know, people with two points in

1687
01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:42,160
Speaker 1: this unit, you know of them drew and people in

1688
01:31:42,240 --> 01:31:46,320
Speaker 1: this unit with three points got you know whatever it is.

1689
01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:49,240
Speaker 1: Use that to kind of educate yourself. And when you

1690
01:31:49,320 --> 01:31:53,120
Speaker 1: think you really will get that tag, um the year

1691
01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:56,320
Speaker 1: that you have the preference points that gets you, you know,

1692
01:31:57,240 --> 01:31:59,920
Speaker 1: or better odds of drawing your Iowa tag. And then

1693
01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:02,879
Speaker 1: is assuming you can't do both. UM, I would recommend

1694
01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:06,160
Speaker 1: that year you don't apply for Kansas, you just apply

1695
01:32:06,280 --> 01:32:10,280
Speaker 1: for Iowa. UM. And I say that because Kansas does

1696
01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:14,719
Speaker 1: offer leftover tags four units if the quota isn't filled

1697
01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:17,280
Speaker 1: after the application process, So you could apply for Iowa

1698
01:32:18,200 --> 01:32:20,600
Speaker 1: and if you didn't get it, there could still be

1699
01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:24,280
Speaker 1: a chance that Kansas has leftover tags after the application

1700
01:32:24,360 --> 01:32:27,240
Speaker 1: that you can buy online, first comfort served. UM. So

1701
01:32:27,400 --> 01:32:31,080
Speaker 1: that's a possibility. UM. And then hopefully you know you

1702
01:32:31,200 --> 01:32:34,720
Speaker 1: picked you know, you didn't apply for Iowa until that

1703
01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:36,759
Speaker 1: year where you had really good chances, So you're probably

1704
01:32:36,760 --> 01:32:39,200
Speaker 1: gonna dry your Iowa tag. But on the off chance

1705
01:32:39,280 --> 01:32:42,200
Speaker 1: you don't, you've got the leftover option with Kansas. And

1706
01:32:42,320 --> 01:32:44,519
Speaker 1: on the off chance that neither of those things happened,

1707
01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:46,880
Speaker 1: you didn't get your Iowa tag, there was no leftover

1708
01:32:46,920 --> 01:32:50,320
Speaker 1: tags left in Kansas. I'd say, screw Iowa, screw Kansas.

1709
01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:54,120
Speaker 1: Go hunt in Nebraska or Missouri or Oklahoma, one of

1710
01:32:54,160 --> 01:32:57,040
Speaker 1: these other states that are right around Iowa or Kansas

1711
01:32:57,160 --> 01:33:00,080
Speaker 1: that are in my opinion, probably just as good in

1712
01:33:00,120 --> 01:33:02,360
Speaker 1: a lot of areas, and you can get that tag

1713
01:33:02,479 --> 01:33:05,960
Speaker 1: over the counter, less money. And uh, there's lots of

1714
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:07,560
Speaker 1: great honey in all those states two where you have

1715
01:33:07,680 --> 01:33:10,439
Speaker 1: just as good at a hunt. So that's that's why

1716
01:33:10,479 --> 01:33:14,760
Speaker 1: I take on that. Anything else, your dad, Dan, No,

1717
01:33:15,160 --> 01:33:17,920
Speaker 1: I think you you hit it. Just try to alternate years, man,

1718
01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:20,200
Speaker 1: or just get to a point in your Iowa tag

1719
01:33:20,320 --> 01:33:23,600
Speaker 1: system where you you know you're gonna draw, right, So

1720
01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:27,840
Speaker 1: maybe go one extra year on buying an Iowa tag

1721
01:33:28,439 --> 01:33:32,559
Speaker 1: hunt Kansas guaranteed and then don't even apply for Kansas

1722
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:34,760
Speaker 1: when you know you have the right amount of point

1723
01:33:34,920 --> 01:33:38,080
Speaker 1: to hunt Iowa. Yeah. I mean there's there's units in

1724
01:33:38,200 --> 01:33:40,760
Speaker 1: Iowa where if you have three or four points, like

1725
01:33:40,840 --> 01:33:44,160
Speaker 1: you're guaranteed to draw. Um. So just look at those

1726
01:33:44,240 --> 01:33:46,920
Speaker 1: drawing odds for the year before, figure out what unit

1727
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:49,080
Speaker 1: is going to give you the pretty much guaranteed draw

1728
01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:52,000
Speaker 1: and um, and pick that year to do just Iowa.

1729
01:33:52,120 --> 01:33:56,519
Speaker 1: That's what I would do. Okay, last two questions, Dan,

1730
01:33:56,560 --> 01:33:59,400
Speaker 1: they're kind of related to the same thing. And UM,

1731
01:33:59,560 --> 01:34:01,240
Speaker 1: you and me both I think can add some thoughts

1732
01:34:01,280 --> 01:34:03,680
Speaker 1: on this. This is a little outside of the usual. UM,

1733
01:34:03,960 --> 01:34:06,200
Speaker 1: but we both had some experiences out there, and I

1734
01:34:06,280 --> 01:34:08,080
Speaker 1: know I get a lot of emails asking about this

1735
01:34:08,200 --> 01:34:10,240
Speaker 1: kind of thing, so I thought we talked about it. UM.

1736
01:34:10,680 --> 01:34:13,360
Speaker 1: First questions from Brody, he says he got a slightly

1737
01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:18,400
Speaker 1: unusual quest based on your me marks extensive travel throughout

1738
01:34:18,439 --> 01:34:21,080
Speaker 1: the Western United States. He's looking for a potential honeymoon

1739
01:34:21,160 --> 01:34:24,880
Speaker 1: destination last week of September, and he wondered if we

1740
01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:27,639
Speaker 1: had some ideas of some ecosystems or areas that would

1741
01:34:27,680 --> 01:34:31,040
Speaker 1: provide stunning views and plenty of wildlife for them to

1742
01:34:31,200 --> 01:34:35,759
Speaker 1: go explore. That's question A, and question B is from Derek,

1743
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:39,679
Speaker 1: who is asking something similar. He uh said he listened

1744
01:34:39,720 --> 01:34:41,800
Speaker 1: to one of our podcasts where we talked about my

1745
01:34:41,960 --> 01:34:46,800
Speaker 1: shitty camping situation. He said, yeah, he said that was

1746
01:34:46,920 --> 01:34:50,479
Speaker 1: very intriguing UM, and he had some questions about the trip.

1747
01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:53,320
Speaker 1: He would like to get some details about the route

1748
01:34:53,360 --> 01:34:56,320
Speaker 1: of the trip, things we stopped by, checked out, places

1749
01:34:56,400 --> 01:34:59,880
Speaker 1: to camp, things worth doing with a dog, um, anything

1750
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:03,200
Speaker 1: like that. UM. He also was curious about if tent

1751
01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:06,000
Speaker 1: camping was okay in areas with bears and grizzly bears

1752
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:09,479
Speaker 1: and whatnot. UM. So, basically, Brody and Derek are both

1753
01:35:09,560 --> 01:35:14,160
Speaker 1: looking for some recommended vacation spots and ideas for heading

1754
01:35:14,200 --> 01:35:16,720
Speaker 1: to the West for the first time. You've done this

1755
01:35:16,760 --> 01:35:19,160
Speaker 1: a few times now, Dan, I know it's in your blood.

1756
01:35:19,680 --> 01:35:23,760
Speaker 1: Based on what you've seen so far, what would you recommend? Alright, Well,

1757
01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:25,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave most of this to you because you

1758
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:29,040
Speaker 1: have the most experience with this kind of thing. So

1759
01:35:29,400 --> 01:35:33,160
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna give some specific examples to the places

1760
01:35:33,240 --> 01:35:37,959
Speaker 1: that I've been. Uh, dude, Rocky Mountain National Park is gorgeous,

1761
01:35:38,200 --> 01:35:41,679
Speaker 1: plenty of camping opportunities there. Um, you go a little

1762
01:35:41,720 --> 01:35:47,280
Speaker 1: bit further west, there is a small town called Georgetown, Colorado,

1763
01:35:48,200 --> 01:35:50,639
Speaker 1: west of Denver. I think it's right off the interstate.

1764
01:35:51,080 --> 01:35:54,200
Speaker 1: And then there's a road that leads all the way

1765
01:35:54,520 --> 01:35:58,439
Speaker 1: up to um Mount Beard stat which is a fourteen

1766
01:35:58,520 --> 01:36:01,439
Speaker 1: thousand foot peak. In other there's a you know, like

1767
01:36:01,560 --> 01:36:05,439
Speaker 1: fifty four or fourteeners in uh, Colorado. There's some camping

1768
01:36:05,560 --> 01:36:13,960
Speaker 1: up up there, but absolutely gorgeous views throughout that entire area. Um,

1769
01:36:14,280 --> 01:36:18,000
Speaker 1: and then I'm very partial to the planes, man like.

1770
01:36:18,200 --> 01:36:22,519
Speaker 1: I love that wide open stuff. So um, this isn't

1771
01:36:22,600 --> 01:36:27,519
Speaker 1: necessarily way out west, but Lake McConaughey in Nebraska, north

1772
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:31,759
Speaker 1: of Ogalala, It's it's a crystal clear lake, it's white

1773
01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:35,120
Speaker 1: sand beach, and you can camp. You can pull your

1774
01:36:35,160 --> 01:36:39,360
Speaker 1: car or truck in camp er right on the sand

1775
01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:44,000
Speaker 1: and make um and in camp right there on the

1776
01:36:44,240 --> 01:36:48,080
Speaker 1: on the shore. That's awesome. Uh. And then, dude, the

1777
01:36:48,200 --> 01:36:51,800
Speaker 1: last one that might overlap you a little bit is

1778
01:36:52,760 --> 01:36:57,479
Speaker 1: even though I bought a very expensive tent tent there,

1779
01:36:57,720 --> 01:36:59,720
Speaker 1: did Jackson Hole, Wyoming is kind of a cool little

1780
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:03,760
Speaker 1: little town. Oh yeah? Oh yeah? And did we did

1781
01:37:03,840 --> 01:37:05,840
Speaker 1: we get to go towards the did you get to

1782
01:37:05,840 --> 01:37:07,479
Speaker 1: see the two towns or was it cloudy and raining

1783
01:37:07,520 --> 01:37:11,320
Speaker 1: that day? Well? I don't think we made it. We

1784
01:37:11,400 --> 01:37:14,960
Speaker 1: didn't go north and it was foggy, so we didn't

1785
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:17,920
Speaker 1: see a long ways away. Um, we saw some of

1786
01:37:17,960 --> 01:37:22,200
Speaker 1: the rockies. And dude, I tell you what, in driving

1787
01:37:22,240 --> 01:37:25,840
Speaker 1: through Colorado is awesome and fun. But driving through southern

1788
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:28,839
Speaker 1: Wyoming in that wide open and you can see mountains

1789
01:37:29,200 --> 01:37:33,360
Speaker 1: in the far distance, you can see mountains up close. Um,

1790
01:37:33,640 --> 01:37:36,880
Speaker 1: I'm sure that is definitely a road you've taken several

1791
01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:43,040
Speaker 1: times now. But any it's hard because anywhere out there

1792
01:37:43,360 --> 01:37:47,760
Speaker 1: is stunning. Yeah, I agree, lots of lots of great

1793
01:37:47,800 --> 01:37:51,439
Speaker 1: places to check out. I Um, it's been just super

1794
01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:52,960
Speaker 1: lucky to have been able to spend a lot of

1795
01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:54,560
Speaker 1: time out in these places. And I've been able to

1796
01:37:54,680 --> 01:37:57,320
Speaker 1: hang out in the Southwest and like Arizona and Utah.

1797
01:37:57,680 --> 01:37:59,240
Speaker 1: I've been able to go out to some of the

1798
01:37:59,280 --> 01:38:02,560
Speaker 1: stuff in the Northwest, like Mount Rainier and the Cascades

1799
01:38:02,600 --> 01:38:04,920
Speaker 1: and some of that. When I was really young, did

1800
01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:07,560
Speaker 1: some backpacking and camping climbing out in the Sierra Nevadas

1801
01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:10,920
Speaker 1: and like Yosemite and King's Canyon and Sequoia National Parks

1802
01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:16,920
Speaker 1: out there. Um. But my absolute favorite general region is

1803
01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:21,439
Speaker 1: the Northern Rocky Mountains, um, that interior mountain west of Idaho,

1804
01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:24,920
Speaker 1: Wyoming and Montana. It has just got that sweet spot

1805
01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:29,320
Speaker 1: for me of like absolutely stunning terrain, the mountains, the plains,

1806
01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:34,519
Speaker 1: the glacial lakes, the rivers, it's all just absolutely gorgeous.

1807
01:38:34,760 --> 01:38:37,800
Speaker 1: But then you also have the full suite of wildlife

1808
01:38:38,200 --> 01:38:42,400
Speaker 1: still there in most of these places, So unlike Utah

1809
01:38:42,640 --> 01:38:47,479
Speaker 1: or California or um, you know, even Colorado, when you're

1810
01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:50,479
Speaker 1: in Idaho, Wyoming or Montana and parts of those three states,

1811
01:38:50,760 --> 01:38:55,920
Speaker 1: you can still see buffalo, grizzly bears, wolves, and then

1812
01:38:56,160 --> 01:39:00,479
Speaker 1: all the other big game you know, elk, moose, antelope, yield, deer,

1813
01:39:00,600 --> 01:39:05,200
Speaker 1: white tails, coyotes. Um, just a wild life is unbelievable. Um.

1814
01:39:05,520 --> 01:39:09,440
Speaker 1: So he Brody asked you if there's some specific ecosystems

1815
01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:12,000
Speaker 1: or areas. Number one, my number one favorite place in

1816
01:39:12,040 --> 01:39:15,280
Speaker 1: the world is the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem. So that is

1817
01:39:15,400 --> 01:39:18,000
Speaker 1: this area. It's a large area that is much more

1818
01:39:18,080 --> 01:39:20,920
Speaker 1: than just Yellowstone Park, but Yellowstone Park is kind of

1819
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:22,400
Speaker 1: at the core of it. And this is at the

1820
01:39:22,520 --> 01:39:25,639
Speaker 1: corner of Wyoming, Montana, and Idaho where they all come together.

1821
01:39:25,800 --> 01:39:30,200
Speaker 1: That's north western Wyoming. There's just all this amazing stuff

1822
01:39:30,280 --> 01:39:32,840
Speaker 1: right there. This is where the town of Jackson Hole is. Uh,

1823
01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:36,040
Speaker 1: this is where the town of Bozeman, Montana. All these

1824
01:39:36,080 --> 01:39:38,280
Speaker 1: places that I spent so much time in, Um, they're

1825
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:41,400
Speaker 1: all kind of right around this. So within that you've

1826
01:39:41,439 --> 01:39:44,599
Speaker 1: got Grand Teton National Park and a bunch of National

1827
01:39:44,680 --> 01:39:46,960
Speaker 1: forests and wilderness areas right around there. That is one

1828
01:39:47,000 --> 01:39:50,320
Speaker 1: of my absolute favorite places in the world. UM. You know,

1829
01:39:50,400 --> 01:39:52,960
Speaker 1: we we all hunt not too far from that. UM.

1830
01:39:53,120 --> 01:39:56,479
Speaker 1: I backpack out there, fly fish out there. Um we've

1831
01:39:56,560 --> 01:39:59,240
Speaker 1: we've stayed out there for a few summers. The Titans

1832
01:39:59,240 --> 01:40:02,280
Speaker 1: are probably the gorgeous mountain range in the lower forty

1833
01:40:02,320 --> 01:40:06,000
Speaker 1: eight that I that I've seen. Um, so you can't

1834
01:40:06,040 --> 01:40:09,080
Speaker 1: go wrong with like base camping in Grand Teton National

1835
01:40:09,160 --> 01:40:12,200
Speaker 1: Park and doing stuff out there. And Brody said he's

1836
01:40:12,200 --> 01:40:13,720
Speaker 1: gonna be there in the last week of September. So

1837
01:40:13,800 --> 01:40:15,400
Speaker 1: if you're out there in that area around the t

1838
01:40:15,560 --> 01:40:18,960
Speaker 1: tons um or just heading north a little bit into Yellowstone,

1839
01:40:19,479 --> 01:40:21,479
Speaker 1: all that whole area is loaded with elk. So you're

1840
01:40:21,520 --> 01:40:24,400
Speaker 1: gonna here, You're gonna be hearing elk screaming. Um, You're

1841
01:40:24,400 --> 01:40:27,040
Speaker 1: gonna see all sorts of wildlife. It's beautiful, crisp and

1842
01:40:27,120 --> 01:40:28,880
Speaker 1: clear out there. I mean you were there with me

1843
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:33,080
Speaker 1: in September. Dans Aspens are changing colors. Um, you know,

1844
01:40:33,320 --> 01:40:39,479
Speaker 1: comfortable days but cool, crisp nights and mornings. Um. Like

1845
01:40:40,040 --> 01:40:45,840
Speaker 1: senses the smell you step outside of a dusty state,

1846
01:40:45,960 --> 01:40:48,200
Speaker 1: I mean, like where I live. You know, yeah, there's

1847
01:40:48,200 --> 01:40:50,800
Speaker 1: cities and towns and stuff like that, but you get

1848
01:40:50,840 --> 01:40:54,599
Speaker 1: out west and there's something about a sense of smell,

1849
01:40:55,120 --> 01:40:59,439
Speaker 1: like especially like the sage right that just stays with

1850
01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:03,080
Speaker 1: you longer almost than some of the other sites that

1851
01:41:03,240 --> 01:41:06,040
Speaker 1: you can can hear or see. It's crazy and it's

1852
01:41:06,040 --> 01:41:07,600
Speaker 1: like it's at least for me as soon as I

1853
01:41:07,640 --> 01:41:09,160
Speaker 1: get out of the car for the first time when

1854
01:41:09,160 --> 01:41:11,040
Speaker 1: I get to somewhere like that and you you breathe

1855
01:41:11,080 --> 01:41:12,920
Speaker 1: in that, like you said, the sage and the pine,

1856
01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:16,320
Speaker 1: it's like it's like a rush of memories and like

1857
01:41:16,479 --> 01:41:20,000
Speaker 1: feelings all at once from all the previous times you've

1858
01:41:20,040 --> 01:41:25,439
Speaker 1: experienced that. It's just like I love it. So g

1859
01:41:25,720 --> 01:41:28,400
Speaker 1: y E probably my favorite place in the world. Um,

1860
01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:33,519
Speaker 1: the northern uh Rocky Mountain area. Um, gosh, what do

1861
01:41:33,600 --> 01:41:35,640
Speaker 1: you call it? Um? I'm blanking on this, But up

1862
01:41:35,680 --> 01:41:39,120
Speaker 1: around Glacier National Park, there's the Bob Marshall Wilderness, There's

1863
01:41:39,680 --> 01:41:42,920
Speaker 1: the Low Low National Forest. There's a bunch of stuff

1864
01:41:43,000 --> 01:41:45,679
Speaker 1: right up there by the Canadian border. That is another

1865
01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:50,720
Speaker 1: absolutely beautiful place. Lots and lots of things there to do. Um. So,

1866
01:41:50,760 --> 01:41:52,599
Speaker 1: if I were to probably pick my two favorite places

1867
01:41:52,600 --> 01:41:54,080
Speaker 1: in the world to go do something out in the

1868
01:41:54,080 --> 01:41:57,439
Speaker 1: Mountain West, I'd say first somewhere around the Rockies or

1869
01:41:57,479 --> 01:41:59,679
Speaker 1: somewhere around the g y E. So I'd probably start

1870
01:41:59,720 --> 01:42:01,960
Speaker 1: in Action and the Ta Tons, and then i'd move

1871
01:42:02,040 --> 01:42:04,200
Speaker 1: into Yellowstone for a little bit, and I'd see Yellowstone

1872
01:42:04,200 --> 01:42:07,000
Speaker 1: because you just have to see Yellowstone. Um, make sure

1873
01:42:07,040 --> 01:42:09,720
Speaker 1: you hit Lamar Valley. That's this valley in the park

1874
01:42:09,760 --> 01:42:12,080
Speaker 1: where there's just thousands of buffalo and all sorts of

1875
01:42:12,120 --> 01:42:17,000
Speaker 1: wildlife and beautiful views. Um. And then hike in the

1876
01:42:17,040 --> 01:42:19,600
Speaker 1: Ta Tons, do some stuff like that fly fish the

1877
01:42:19,640 --> 01:42:21,840
Speaker 1: Snake River or the ta Ton River which is on

1878
01:42:21,920 --> 01:42:24,920
Speaker 1: the Idaho side of the line. There um, great fishing.

1879
01:42:25,040 --> 01:42:27,479
Speaker 1: Not is busy on that side of the mountains. UM.

1880
01:42:27,640 --> 01:42:29,519
Speaker 1: And then head up to northern Montana if you can,

1881
01:42:29,640 --> 01:42:33,719
Speaker 1: to the area on Glacier just unbelievable mountains again, lots

1882
01:42:33,760 --> 01:42:36,120
Speaker 1: and lots of wildlife UM. And then one of the

1883
01:42:36,160 --> 01:42:39,559
Speaker 1: things I'd recommend is sort of to your point, Dan,

1884
01:42:40,720 --> 01:42:42,760
Speaker 1: get out on the plains. So if you're like, if

1885
01:42:42,760 --> 01:42:44,719
Speaker 1: you're in Montana. One of my favorite things about Montana,

1886
01:42:44,800 --> 01:42:47,240
Speaker 1: probably why Montana is my favorite state, is because it

1887
01:42:47,360 --> 01:42:49,960
Speaker 1: has the mountains. The western third of the state is

1888
01:42:50,080 --> 01:42:52,360
Speaker 1: just so many different mountain ranges and so many different

1889
01:42:52,479 --> 01:42:57,120
Speaker 1: rivers and just unbelievable vertical terrain rock and ice and

1890
01:42:57,240 --> 01:43:00,680
Speaker 1: pine trees and just unbelievable. But then you also have

1891
01:43:00,800 --> 01:43:04,439
Speaker 1: this other side of the state that's just vast, wide

1892
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Speaker 1: open rolling hills and grasslands and bad lands and coolies

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01:43:09,320 --> 01:43:13,000
Speaker 1: and all these breaks and buttes and brock and just

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01:43:13,280 --> 01:43:16,560
Speaker 1: bizarre different wild features. You've got all these different ecosystems

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01:43:16,640 --> 01:43:21,360
Speaker 1: and terrain, um, and it's just big, open and empty.

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Speaker 1: You can. I mean, one of my favorite things when

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01:43:23,400 --> 01:43:25,439
Speaker 1: I was out there deer hunting in Montana is that

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Speaker 1: I could just pull out. I could stop my car

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01:43:27,560 --> 01:43:29,920
Speaker 1: in the middle of the road, and I could step

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01:43:29,960 --> 01:43:31,280
Speaker 1: out of my car stand in the middle of this

1901
01:43:31,439 --> 01:43:34,240
Speaker 1: road and to spin around circles, and I didn't need

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01:43:34,280 --> 01:43:36,680
Speaker 1: to worry about another car driving. I didn't need to

1903
01:43:36,720 --> 01:43:39,160
Speaker 1: worry about seeing a house or a person or light.

1904
01:43:39,280 --> 01:43:41,240
Speaker 1: I could just look out and see mountains on either side,

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Speaker 1: this huge wide valley of swaying grasses, and maybe some

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01:43:45,240 --> 01:43:46,760
Speaker 1: elk way off from the distance, or a bunch of

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01:43:46,840 --> 01:43:51,080
Speaker 1: mule there nearby, and perfect silence. And it's just that

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01:43:51,600 --> 01:43:54,519
Speaker 1: is like heaven for me, just being somewhere like that.

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01:43:54,800 --> 01:43:57,639
Speaker 1: And there's so much of that out there in Montana, UM,

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01:43:58,120 --> 01:43:59,720
Speaker 1: and in a lot of these western states you can

1911
01:43:59,760 --> 01:44:03,040
Speaker 1: find it too, UM. But that's kind of my little

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01:44:03,080 --> 01:44:06,280
Speaker 1: favorite spot. UM. And man, I could I could talk

1913
01:44:06,320 --> 01:44:08,560
Speaker 1: for days about all these different things. But right I

1914
01:44:08,680 --> 01:44:10,840
Speaker 1: love me some white tails. But there's some great stuff

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01:44:10,920 --> 01:44:13,280
Speaker 1: above and beyond that too. Now, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: your wives, like if you're going on a honeymoon and

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01:44:17,800 --> 01:44:22,160
Speaker 1: don't have multiple wives right now, but like this guy

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01:44:22,400 --> 01:44:25,439
Speaker 1: right he's going on his honeymoon, you might want to

1919
01:44:25,479 --> 01:44:30,360
Speaker 1: consider if she's not into the hiking, backpacking, um, you

1920
01:44:30,439 --> 01:44:33,200
Speaker 1: know outdoor scene like you that you know, obviously it

1921
01:44:33,280 --> 01:44:36,760
Speaker 1: can't be a one sided trip. Uh, make sure you

1922
01:44:37,400 --> 01:44:40,000
Speaker 1: do some fun things because I'd hate to see your

1923
01:44:40,800 --> 01:44:45,400
Speaker 1: your marriage start off on a wrong foot. So I

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01:44:45,520 --> 01:44:49,120
Speaker 1: went out to western Washington north of Seattle for a

1925
01:44:49,200 --> 01:44:54,800
Speaker 1: wedding once and um went to the it's called Whibley Island, um,

1926
01:44:55,560 --> 01:44:59,360
Speaker 1: and it was what's the Puget Sound, uh way on

1927
01:44:59,439 --> 01:45:00,960
Speaker 1: the north part of bit had to take a ferry

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01:45:01,000 --> 01:45:02,880
Speaker 1: to get there. That's the only way. And then we

1929
01:45:03,240 --> 01:45:09,519
Speaker 1: um went took two more ferries to a Olympic Olympic

1930
01:45:09,640 --> 01:45:15,439
Speaker 1: National Park on the Washington basically peninsula that shoots up

1931
01:45:15,479 --> 01:45:18,960
Speaker 1: towards towards the north, basically the border that's that is

1932
01:45:19,000 --> 01:45:24,080
Speaker 1: an absolutely gorgeous place as well, from from zero to

1933
01:45:24,160 --> 01:45:29,240
Speaker 1: five thousand feet just like that, Yeah, Pacific Northwest, and

1934
01:45:29,280 --> 01:45:32,400
Speaker 1: that's a that's a beautiful mountains, but a very different field.

1935
01:45:32,520 --> 01:45:35,400
Speaker 1: You know, it's like absolutely so wet and green and

1936
01:45:35,560 --> 01:45:38,760
Speaker 1: lush rainforest, um and very cool. We're just we're so

1937
01:45:38,960 --> 01:45:42,240
Speaker 1: lucky here in America to have a wide variety of

1938
01:45:42,280 --> 01:45:46,040
Speaker 1: different places. I mean, I don't there's I don't know.

1939
01:45:46,160 --> 01:45:47,640
Speaker 1: I mean there's not a whole lot of places in

1940
01:45:47,640 --> 01:45:49,679
Speaker 1: the world where you can see as you can sample

1941
01:45:49,720 --> 01:45:53,719
Speaker 1: as many different ecosystems and places and see such world

1942
01:45:53,800 --> 01:45:56,479
Speaker 1: class scenery and wildlife. And you know, goes back to

1943
01:45:56,520 --> 01:45:59,240
Speaker 1: what we talked about a lot public land. Baby, We're

1944
01:45:59,320 --> 01:46:01,880
Speaker 1: so lucky to have all these places because, um, some

1945
01:46:02,160 --> 01:46:04,720
Speaker 1: very forward thinking men and women a long time ago

1946
01:46:05,320 --> 01:46:07,680
Speaker 1: decided to fight for these places. And man, I am

1947
01:46:07,840 --> 01:46:14,240
Speaker 1: very very glad about him. Absolutely. Well, we've talked a

1948
01:46:14,320 --> 01:46:16,800
Speaker 1: long time today, We've talked a long time about this

1949
01:46:17,080 --> 01:46:20,479
Speaker 1: random stuff. Yeah. So all good. I mean that's I

1950
01:46:20,600 --> 01:46:23,640
Speaker 1: love that stuff. Yeah. Hopefully hopefully there's still three or

1951
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Speaker 1: four people still listening that enjoyed. I think I think

1952
01:46:28,920 --> 01:46:30,360
Speaker 1: this is a good place to wrap it up, though.

1953
01:46:30,400 --> 01:46:33,840
Speaker 1: So do you have anything else you want to cover? No, man,

1954
01:46:33,920 --> 01:46:37,800
Speaker 1: just that sixteen year old kid. Man, Uh be good,

1955
01:46:38,120 --> 01:46:42,000
Speaker 1: be good. Chase your dreams, don't chase your dreams. Don't

1956
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:46,360
Speaker 1: be like Dan, keep all your fingers. Yeah and uh

1957
01:46:46,439 --> 01:46:48,160
Speaker 1: and with that, let's shut this one down. Oh but

1958
01:46:48,320 --> 01:46:51,000
Speaker 1: before we shut down down, I just want to say again,

1959
01:46:51,120 --> 01:46:54,760
Speaker 1: thank you so much for those antlers. Yeah, no worries, dude,

1960
01:46:54,880 --> 01:46:57,400
Speaker 1: that's so cool. They're meant to be in Mark kitten

1961
01:46:57,479 --> 01:47:00,839
Speaker 1: In's house. Well they will be forever and four always.

1962
01:47:01,840 --> 01:47:04,639
Speaker 1: And that right there is our episode. A few quick

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Speaker 1: updates for you. First off, like I mentioned earlier, follow

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Speaker 1: along with the Sick Converge event this week by checking

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Speaker 1: out the Wired to Hunt Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook accounts.

1966
01:47:14,360 --> 01:47:17,559
Speaker 1: And speaking of social media, as I mentioned last week,

1967
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Speaker 1: I'm taking over the Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership Instagram next week.

1968
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Speaker 1: That's the week of June seventeen, and I'll be posting

1969
01:47:26,680 --> 01:47:29,120
Speaker 1: some cool stories and photos there over those five days.

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Speaker 1: So check out the TRCP insta. I think you'll enjoy

1971
01:47:32,320 --> 01:47:35,439
Speaker 1: that stuff. And with all that said, big things too.

1972
01:47:35,520 --> 01:47:38,680
Speaker 1: Sick of gear YETI Cooler's Matthews Archery may have an

1973
01:47:38,760 --> 01:47:42,120
Speaker 1: optics white Tail, Institute of North America, Trophy Ridge and

1974
01:47:42,280 --> 01:47:46,160
Speaker 1: Hunt Terra maps, And of course, thank you all for listening.

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Speaker 1: I'm certain you are the coolest bunch of hunting podcast

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Speaker 1: listeners out there, and damn good hunters too, so have

1977
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Speaker 1: a great week and stay wired to hunt U