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Speaker 1: FanDuel Sports Book App sign up. Welcome back to The
Speaker 1: Draymond Green Show. This is our third episode and I
Speaker 1: think it's this will be another good one. I will
Speaker 1: be joined a little later by a long time teammate,
Speaker 1: champion NBA Finals MVP All Star and what you'll find
Speaker 1: even more interesting on this episode, Venture Capitalist my teammate
Speaker 1: Andre Gudala. But first we are going to talk about
Speaker 1: last night's game, the Warriors versus the Suns, which I
Speaker 1: guess people may have enjoyed it. I didn't quite enjoy
Speaker 1: it that that much, but nonetheless I did enjoy the atmosphere.
Speaker 1: It was an incredible atmosphere. Um, it was playoff like atmosphere.
Speaker 1: And you know it's the ones that you you you
Speaker 1: love of playing and you get up for. Obviously, Tuesday
Speaker 1: night in the Association, number one versus number two in
Speaker 1: the West, uh in the NBA actually, um, you know
Speaker 1: a matchup that we could definitely see um sometime down
Speaker 1: the line in May. So it was a very important
Speaker 1: game and obviously finished at the game. M My assessments
Speaker 1: on the game, UM, I think number one, you gotta
Speaker 1: get Phoenix a lot of credit at their defense was
Speaker 1: very stellar last night. I think they did an incredible
Speaker 1: job on everybody, making it tough. They made the place
Speaker 1: they needed to make down to stretch offensively. And then
Speaker 1: saying all of that, we were on the road with
Speaker 1: twenty three turnovers turnovers, and yet with two and a
Speaker 1: half minutes to go, I had a left hand lay
Speaker 1: up streaking down the middle of the floor with a
Speaker 1: chance to cut it the one and so and saying
Speaker 1: that I love where we are still as a team.
Speaker 1: I think I'm not sure you you will find a
Speaker 1: game where myself Stephan Wiggs will play worse than we
Speaker 1: played last night. And like I said, we still had
Speaker 1: a chance to win that game right down the stretch
Speaker 1: three minutes ago. I gotta give a lot of credit
Speaker 1: to Chris Paul. He did what he What Chris Paul does,
Speaker 1: He carries his teams. Uh Deep book went out towards
Speaker 1: the end of the first half, and Chris Paul just
Speaker 1: did what he does. He carries teams, he makes timely plays,
Speaker 1: he gets everybody involved, he picks and chooses when he
Speaker 1: needs to get his shot going, and he did that
Speaker 1: last night. And one thing about Chris Paul that's interesting,
Speaker 1: UH and other guys in this league is um when
Speaker 1: you talk about winners, we all tend to turn to
Speaker 1: the guys who's won championships. And don't get me wrong,
Speaker 1: winning championships is extremely important. Like you want to win
Speaker 1: champion you play sports, you want to win championships. It's
Speaker 1: the Holy Gril, It's that's what we're all playing. For
Speaker 1: you want to be the last team standing. But Chris
Speaker 1: Paul is one of those guys that's interesting where he
Speaker 1: has not won a championship. Last year was his first
Speaker 1: year with Year sixteen, I think, playing in the NBA Finals.
Speaker 1: But I personally think Chris Paul is a winner like
Speaker 1: he wins and year in a year out. I mean,
Speaker 1: they sent him to okay See to pretty much lie
Speaker 1: on his death bed. Not only did he not lie
Speaker 1: on his death bed, he took that team to the
Speaker 1: playoffs because he did so well. Sam Presty worked with
Speaker 1: him to get him to a situation that he wanted
Speaker 1: to be in, and now we see what he's doing
Speaker 1: with the Phinish squad. And so that's just an interesting
Speaker 1: thought that I have. And when I when I'm just
Speaker 1: sitting and dissecting basketball, dissecting careers, um, dissecting resumes, that's
Speaker 1: one that's always interesting for me. And like I said,
Speaker 1: that's Chris Paul. But that's not only Chris Paul. There
Speaker 1: are other guys in this league who Jimmy Butler, who's
Speaker 1: one everywhere he's gone, never won a championship, but he's
Speaker 1: a winner like he's one. He's made teams win everywhere
Speaker 1: he's gone, and so you know, that's that's just an
Speaker 1: interesting thing to me, especially when you get into the
Speaker 1: debate of Hall of Fame and all time grades and
Speaker 1: NBA seventy lists, all of these things that that's an
Speaker 1: interesting one for me. But like I said, back back
Speaker 1: to the game, I thought our defense was pretty good
Speaker 1: in the first half. I thought we could have definitely
Speaker 1: cleaned up some things, and then obviously in the second
Speaker 1: half as well. But again, uh, it all goes back
Speaker 1: to you have twenty three turnovers, you can can you
Speaker 1: get your defense set? Like how many times do we
Speaker 1: get a chance to actually set our defense? You couple
Speaker 1: that with the shooting nights that we had, you're kind
Speaker 1: of in transition on night and and and so I
Speaker 1: like where our defense is. Um, I think we'll continue
Speaker 1: to get better. And I think for the most part,
Speaker 1: like I said, with all with all of that that
Speaker 1: went on last night, we still gave up a hundred
Speaker 1: and four points and granted they didn't have deep book
Speaker 1: in the second half, but that's a good basketball team,
Speaker 1: you know, and they just keep it rolling. And that's
Speaker 1: what they did last night. Um DeAndre Aiden played really well.
Speaker 1: I thought, Uh, he was extremely aggressive from the very
Speaker 1: beginning of the game. Uh he continued that on throughout
Speaker 1: the entire game. He had a really good game. Jay
Speaker 1: Crowder had a good game struggle with hit a couple
Speaker 1: of threes in the first quarter and then it was
Speaker 1: in foul trouble for pretty much the rest of the half.
Speaker 1: But hit some big threes in that second half last
Speaker 1: night that kind of cataputed them to the win. So
Speaker 1: they you know, they had a mixture guys playing well. Um,
Speaker 1: Mchael Bridges defensively was an animal. I mean he was
Speaker 1: incredible defensively. All the guys were really good defensively. Every
Speaker 1: really good defensively as a team. But Michael Bridges, who
Speaker 1: was the head of the snake for them, I thought
Speaker 1: he did an incredible job defensively of just chasing stuff around, um,
Speaker 1: being in passing lanes, calgging up the lane when he
Speaker 1: had the opportunity. I thought he did a really good job.
Speaker 1: That takes us to Friday's matchup, which I am obviously
Speaker 1: excited about. Home and home. They were home. Now we
Speaker 1: got the opportunity to them coming into our house. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, want to lose two in a row. So
Speaker 1: you want to write the ship. Our guys also know
Speaker 1: what they expect now, although I thought guys really stepped
Speaker 1: up to the challenge. But you've seen this team now
Speaker 1: you know what they expect. And and coming back Friday,
Speaker 1: we expect a better outcome. And also and and this
Speaker 1: weekend NBA news, but Warriors news, we got a chance
Speaker 1: to see Clay Thompson. You know, I know everyone's seeing
Speaker 1: the highlights uh flying around from him scrimmaging with Santa
Speaker 1: Cruz Warriors. And man was it beautiful and exciting to
Speaker 1: see him moving the way he's moving, shooting the ball
Speaker 1: the way he was shooting it, but more importantly seeing
Speaker 1: him happy, seeing him with a smile on his face
Speaker 1: because he's getting an opportunity to again to do what
Speaker 1: he loves to do, which is played basketball. If you
Speaker 1: know Clay Thompson, he loves playing basketball. He loves Rocko
Speaker 1: and and now he loves his boat um. And you know,
Speaker 1: we all saw him last week sitting on the bench
Speaker 1: with the towel on this over his head after the
Speaker 1: game and just having a moment and we all sympathize
Speaker 1: with him and saying that, and like I said, and
Speaker 1: seeing him back on the court this week and in
Speaker 1: action and actually playing and competing. Such a beautiful thing. Uh.
Speaker 1: It definitely gets us even more excited to get him
Speaker 1: back into the fold, one step closer to having our
Speaker 1: full team and really making a run at this thing.
Speaker 1: And if, like I said, it feels good, the vibe
Speaker 1: on the team feels right from from the front office
Speaker 1: to the ownership group, the front office, the coaching style, players,
Speaker 1: training style, video style, it just feels great. And obviously
Speaker 1: winning helps winning here as all as we like to
Speaker 1: say in this business. But it's it's it's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1: So looking forward to the to the problem of incorporating
Speaker 1: Clay back into the line up, you know, we obviously
Speaker 1: have started off great, and that's a great problem to
Speaker 1: havel incorporating a Hall of Famer in NBA champion, one
Speaker 1: of the best snipers we've ever seen in NBA history,
Speaker 1: one of the better two way players we've seen in
Speaker 1: a long time. I can't wait to add him back
Speaker 1: to the phone. And obviously, you know, as a facilitator,
Speaker 1: Pastor's paradise just get better. So I am thrilled and
Speaker 1: was extremely thrilled and happy, uh to see those highlights
Speaker 1: as we all got a chance to see uh this weekend,
Speaker 1: and just him really doing his thing and looking like
Speaker 1: Clay Thompson. Obviously, I'm not expecting him to come back
Speaker 1: and hit his first shots when he when he returns,
Speaker 1: I am not expecting him to come back and even
Speaker 1: look as great as he did the other day, although
Speaker 1: that's what we witnessed, because I just don't think it's
Speaker 1: fair to put those expectations on him, uh and in
Speaker 1: the road that he's had, you let him gracefully return
Speaker 1: and and come into his own as his body allows.
Speaker 1: And so that's what I'm looking forward to. Like I said,
Speaker 1: it was beautiful and exciting to see on social media,
Speaker 1: and they had obviously showed us the clips before they
Speaker 1: hit social media, but it was beautiful to see. I'm
Speaker 1: extremely happy for him and happy for everyone who's affected
Speaker 1: by that. You know. You always hear people say come
Speaker 1: up to us and say, man, I've been through some
Speaker 1: tough times, but the one constant in my life is
Speaker 1: the Warriors has brought happiness to my household, you know,
Speaker 1: and so all the people that's been affected by that,
Speaker 1: you know, and you you have great success and and
Speaker 1: you do things in the community and people really draw
Speaker 1: an attachment to you. And when you draw that attachment
Speaker 1: and you have that attachment, Clay Thompson has done done
Speaker 1: a lot for this community and love for this organization.
Speaker 1: When he goes down, you feel that, you know, and
Speaker 1: so I I'm happy for everyone involved, but most importantly
Speaker 1: to Clay. For Clay Um who's been the one who
Speaker 1: had who's had to endure the rehab sessions, Um, the pain,
Speaker 1: the surgeries, the doubt. You know, I'm extremely happy for him.
Speaker 1: Couldn't be more through I'm curious about what you said,
Speaker 1: how it's an interesting problem to have incorporating Clay back
Speaker 1: to this roster, because assuming Clay is coming back as
Speaker 1: a starter, which I feel like it's a fair assumption,
Speaker 1: that means either Jordan's pool or if you guys go
Speaker 1: small Cavan Looney or going to the bench, which is
Speaker 1: an interesting situation to have, especially considering how well Jordan's
Speaker 1: been playing. So what how does how do you anticipate
Speaker 1: that working for Jordan, assuming he's the guy that's going
Speaker 1: to be moved to the bench, do you participate him
Speaker 1: having any trouble with that? I feel like it works
Speaker 1: as him in a six man role, but it's still
Speaker 1: a pretty big change. It's definitely a big change I think,
Speaker 1: no matter what. And I say this with my analysts
Speaker 1: on my podcast host how On, not from my actual
Speaker 1: being as the basketball players that does play for this team.
Speaker 1: I say this strictly from just a basketball standpoint and
Speaker 1: not having any knowledge on the situation, because it's not
Speaker 1: something that we've we've spoke about myself as a leader
Speaker 1: of this team with coach Kerr or with Coach Kurg,
Speaker 1: just amongst the rest of the team like that. It
Speaker 1: hasn't been mentioned once, and so I don't have any
Speaker 1: more knowledge other than what I think could possibly happen,
Speaker 1: which is what you just said. Um, does Jordan's moved
Speaker 1: to the sixth man? What I do know is and
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't notice because someone has told me.
Speaker 1: I noticed, because I'm not an idiot. Whether George's coming
Speaker 1: off the bench or or started, He's gonna play thirty
Speaker 1: minutes at night, and so that's gonna remain constant regardless.
Speaker 1: Does he continue to start? Um, do we go small
Speaker 1: and move me to the five? And Covine moves to
Speaker 1: the bench. I'm not sure what that looks like. Because
Speaker 1: obviously Loon isn't scoring thirty on a given night or
Speaker 1: twenty on a given night like Jordan Iss, but he
Speaker 1: is extremely important to our lineup. What he does on
Speaker 1: the defensive end is incredible, and what he does as
Speaker 1: a screener on the offensive end is incredible. And so
Speaker 1: you know, one of those guys that just always in
Speaker 1: the right place, know what to do, cover for other guys,
Speaker 1: just really has a thorough understanding of the game. If
Speaker 1: Con was to move to the bench and then I
Speaker 1: moved to the fire, that also changes our defensive line
Speaker 1: ups as well, you know, And so I think there's
Speaker 1: um a lot that needs to happen. I think coach
Speaker 1: Kerr will definitely tinker with the lineup some because you
Speaker 1: have to figure it out, right, you have to figure
Speaker 1: out like what's best, like what's our best line up?
Speaker 1: And by the way, you may then figure out that
Speaker 1: our best lineup, we don't want to start the game
Speaker 1: with that lineup, like they're so so many things as
Speaker 1: a coach and directions that you can go. But as
Speaker 1: I said, that's a good problem to have. And and
Speaker 1: when I say good problem to have, it and as
Speaker 1: far as incorporating Clay back into the lineup. That's because
Speaker 1: the one thing that we do have his depth, and
Speaker 1: we've shown that throughout the course of this year. So
Speaker 1: that changes the rotations. You know, with Clay coming back,
Speaker 1: it's just naturally going to change rotations. And so when
Speaker 1: I say the problem of incorporating him back into the
Speaker 1: lineup by all means, don't ever think it's a it's
Speaker 1: a bad problem. It is a problem that we have
Speaker 1: to face because now you have to change rotations. You
Speaker 1: have to then figure out which lineups works with with
Speaker 1: the way that you want the rotations to flow. And
Speaker 1: so it's not just like, oh, you plug him back
Speaker 1: in and things are just what they were like. You
Speaker 1: have to do some figuring out. And so when I
Speaker 1: say good problem, that's what I mean. It's it's like,
Speaker 1: we have some things to figure out once he gets back,
Speaker 1: and uh, that's the good issue. And and other news
Speaker 1: around around the association, we have a brother of mine,
Speaker 1: close friend, a guy who I want to go medalist with,
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Boogie cousins Um signing with the Milwaukee Bucks. I
Speaker 1: am extremely thrilled for him to sign with the Bucks
Speaker 1: because because it's had a tough goal since the injuries,
Speaker 1: and obviously that's something that none of us can forecast. Obviously,
Speaker 1: that's something that we all face the risk of and playing,
Speaker 1: UH and and doing what we do. And you never
Speaker 1: want to see a guy go down to injuries which
Speaker 1: has changed the course of his career. And but to
Speaker 1: see him get another opportunity to continue to show that
Speaker 1: he's still an NBA player, as I think he's shown
Speaker 1: and and he stopped that he's had over the last
Speaker 1: couple of years, is that he's still an NBA player.
Speaker 1: And no, he's not de Marcuts Cousins, that's still getting
Speaker 1: thirty and twenty, but he's still de Marcuts Cousins that
Speaker 1: can be more productive than a lot of big men
Speaker 1: that are in the league. So to see him get
Speaker 1: the opportunity to go to the defending champs and just
Speaker 1: be the markets play his game obviously, I mean even
Speaker 1: with the Clippers, you can see the growth uh and
Speaker 1: him as a player, UH not getting technical files like
Speaker 1: he was, not getting hung up on things that he
Speaker 1: can't really change, just playing this game. And so UH
Speaker 1: to see him with the opportunity with the Bucks, I'm thrilled.
Speaker 1: I'm always happy for him. And Morgan and just having
Speaker 1: an opportunity to continue with his career and and do
Speaker 1: what he loved. We have we all have to find
Speaker 1: a very finite window of time to do what we
Speaker 1: love to do and playing basketball, because as we know,
Speaker 1: father time is undefeated. And so to see him with
Speaker 1: the opportunity to continue, you to play the game that
Speaker 1: he loved, that I love, that we all love dearly,
Speaker 1: it's incredible and I am as always I'm root for him.
Speaker 1: I am honored today to be sharing in the pocket
Speaker 1: in this podcast, in this episode with one of my
Speaker 1: favorite teammates of all time, a guy who, um, you know,
Speaker 1: you always hear about myself, Stephen Clay and us three
Speaker 1: being together for all of those years, and often, um,
Speaker 1: when I am asked about that, I often say, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's three we which is true. We've all grown together,
Speaker 1: We've come into ourselves together, you know, and just started
Speaker 1: from the bottom and all worked our way to the
Speaker 1: top together. But the one guy that I always mentioned
Speaker 1: in that is the guy who who kind of showed
Speaker 1: us the way, who came on and was the veteran too,
Speaker 1: adding the veteran to us young guys who kind of
Speaker 1: had a good thing blossom and and then we add
Speaker 1: Andre and everything takes off. So I am honored to
Speaker 1: have to share today with you guys, just a conversation
Speaker 1: between myself, big brother of mine, Uh, the guy who
Speaker 1: you know you've always heard of Draymond as the leader,
Speaker 1: the guy who I turned to, um when I don't
Speaker 1: know where to turn throughout this whole Andre, my brother,
Speaker 1: Thank you for coming on. Man. No, I appreciate you
Speaker 1: having me man, and Uh, I'm just really proud of
Speaker 1: you what you feel for yourself. And uh, it's very
Speaker 1: rare that, you know, players actually build something with a
Speaker 1: real foundation to it off the court. So it's a
Speaker 1: beautiful thing. Even going back to our conversation about Myers
Speaker 1: having to you last night, Like you know, I won't
Speaker 1: say what he said, but you know that I means
Speaker 1: and meant a lot to me that he was tumbable
Speaker 1: with having a conversation with you. But it just shows
Speaker 1: how he feels about you in terms of like your
Speaker 1: your your ability to do things, your potential outside the
Speaker 1: game of basketball, which Minnesota is a BEATIFU things. I
Speaker 1: appreciate that. Um, you know I am. I am excited
Speaker 1: to have you on the show. Uh, for reasons that
Speaker 1: I don't think most people are going to expect. Um.
Speaker 1: And we'll get to that, but obviously, first, uh, we'll
Speaker 1: kick it off. You know, your your first year back
Speaker 1: with the Warriors after being gone for two years. Um,
Speaker 1: two year two worst years of my career might not
Speaker 1: add uh, you know, but you you left, you were
Speaker 1: traded and then you signed. You didn't go to Grizzlies,
Speaker 1: but then you got traded to Miami, signed the extension.
Speaker 1: I went to the NBA Finals the first year. Had
Speaker 1: was having a good year last year, and obviously it
Speaker 1: ended short for y'all. But now you're back. Um, what
Speaker 1: brought you back to the Warriors? Man? I think it
Speaker 1: was just, um, it was a really good experience, you know,
Speaker 1: seeing something on the other end of the spectrum, you know,
Speaker 1: and seeing how you can have success on both sides.
Speaker 1: You know how our environment is a little bit more relaxed,
Speaker 1: you know, a little bit you know more. You know,
Speaker 1: it's got some hippie vibes to it, you know, go
Speaker 1: as you please at your own pace. And then Miami
Speaker 1: is kind of like, you know, straight and narrow. You know,
Speaker 1: everybody in formation, and um, you know, I saw I
Speaker 1: could see weaknesses weaknesses and both because both have both
Speaker 1: had a lot of success. You know, pat Riley is
Speaker 1: probably one of the most successful you know player coaches,
Speaker 1: gems and NBA history. He's done it at every level.
Speaker 1: And um, you know, we had success here and I
Speaker 1: saw some balls here, and just being at those two places,
Speaker 1: I try to take a step back and see, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: appreciate the value and their approach on both sides. And
Speaker 1: when I was there, I saw some things we did
Speaker 1: with the Warriors that I can you know, bring to
Speaker 1: the some of the players to the team. You know,
Speaker 1: some guys may not be as mentally strong at the
Speaker 1: young age, and you know, nudge them and get them
Speaker 1: to you know, smile, open up a little bit. But
Speaker 1: then you know, coming back, you know, I didn't know
Speaker 1: my body was gonna feel as good as it did
Speaker 1: at the end of last year. You know, I thought
Speaker 1: maybe that might might be it. You know, you never
Speaker 1: know when the end is coming. But I thought, you know,
Speaker 1: the body reacted better than I thought, and it would
Speaker 1: be a beautiful thing to you know, go back and
Speaker 1: play with my brothers and seeing what I saw in
Speaker 1: Miami and how I could kind of bring that out
Speaker 1: of value, and it's it's kind of like who you are,
Speaker 1: you know. It's funny. It's like, you know, you're so
Speaker 1: brash and you're like so competitive and you have that
Speaker 1: fire and you know that's the heat culture. And I
Speaker 1: was able to appreciate that even more going there, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, you know, they during minds and even
Speaker 1: more valuable than I thought. And I saw a little
Speaker 1: close every day. So you know now you see me
Speaker 1: now when when you go off from people. And I
Speaker 1: was like, he got a point, Like I can't really
Speaker 1: argue with that, you know what I mean, because I've
Speaker 1: seen like there's a lot of value in that, especially
Speaker 1: in our environment with coaching powers. All the guys just
Speaker 1: played with you know and think freely and think more
Speaker 1: than themselves and sometimes I can bite you in the butt,
Speaker 1: so you gotta have to kind of have to reel
Speaker 1: it back in, but still have to give them the
Speaker 1: confidence to go out there and ask you at the
Speaker 1: high level. So I just thought it was, you know,
Speaker 1: perfect time, and you know, still got some time left
Speaker 1: to come back, and why not ended, you know, with
Speaker 1: my brothers, and you know what better way it started
Speaker 1: than the way we have so far, I think I
Speaker 1: definitely see obviously we all know your experience and what
Speaker 1: you bring to the table from previous years, but I
Speaker 1: also see growth in your leadership and handling young guys,
Speaker 1: because you know, for us, at first, like when we
Speaker 1: were first going through our run, we were the young
Speaker 1: guys right like, and it was totally different than the
Speaker 1: young guys of today. But you know, I think you know,
Speaker 1: there's no secret that you know, the Warriors are kind
Speaker 1: of in this space of mixing experience and younger talent
Speaker 1: and blending the two together and trying to make both
Speaker 1: both men's meet. It is going incredible, as we know,
Speaker 1: um sitting here at eighteen and three after last nice loss,
Speaker 1: which we'll talk about, but it's going great. And I've
Speaker 1: been watching you a lot, just because I'm always trying
Speaker 1: to learn and and always observing and just trying to
Speaker 1: keep a post and understand what's going on. And just
Speaker 1: the way that you handle these young guys, it's even
Speaker 1: different than I saw you handle the Jacob Evans, you know,
Speaker 1: even different than I saw you handle the manyan ed It.
Speaker 1: You know, like it's the way you are with the
Speaker 1: guys are different, and I think it can probably be
Speaker 1: contributed to some of your dealings with Tyler Hero and
Speaker 1: having to handle him Duncan. Uh. You know, so here
Speaker 1: it is. You got Jimmy, Um, you got Bam. Who's
Speaker 1: a BAM is like deep booked to me, like they're
Speaker 1: kind of young o gs like young, but you know,
Speaker 1: experienced and understands a little more and so not quite Bam,
Speaker 1: but like Tyler and Duncan, it's more so in the
Speaker 1: in the Jordan pool uh category, you know, and and
Speaker 1: guys of that nature, and you had to lend them
Speaker 1: a little differently. Truth, I think I've learned and I've
Speaker 1: tried to learn through every experience that I had, you know,
Speaker 1: like I made some mistakes in the past, and I
Speaker 1: think that's the biggest part of it. And then I
Speaker 1: got people around me that will you know, like you know,
Speaker 1: Rudy's my man, but he'll fight out tell me, like
Speaker 1: you know, before the ship, like you're not being a
Speaker 1: leader right now, you know, supposed to this and that,
Speaker 1: and I'll accept it and then go back and say,
Speaker 1: what could I have done differently? And I think it's
Speaker 1: just helping me, you know, even with you know, our
Speaker 1: runs from you know, fourteen and nineteen fifteen and nineteen
Speaker 1: uh some things I got wrong and I would retrace
Speaker 1: my steps and say, Okay, next time that comes up,
Speaker 1: I know how to handle it. So like Jordan Poole
Speaker 1: was like one of my favorite guys, and you know
Speaker 1: he's he's an emotional player, and I was an emotional player.
Speaker 1: So sometimes I gotta place myself in his shoes. And
Speaker 1: it was like he wants to win and he trying
Speaker 1: to get his trying to get his stuff off, and
Speaker 1: you're like, sometimes you tell him something and he may
Speaker 1: not react the right way, but I have to look
Speaker 1: at myself. At two, I was reacting kind of the
Speaker 1: same way. So I took I was like, okay, put
Speaker 1: yourself in his shoes, and I think I'll try to
Speaker 1: do that more more so than any other time to
Speaker 1: seeing it from my perception and just trying to see
Speaker 1: it in his view and say, Okay, how would I
Speaker 1: want Kevin Ali, How would I want uh Aaron McKee
Speaker 1: to help me? In no situations? So patients is a
Speaker 1: big part of it. But I think over time they
Speaker 1: start understanding that you really rock with them, like no, bro,
Speaker 1: like I really love you, like you're really my man.
Speaker 1: Like for life now and then once you get past
Speaker 1: that barrier and then they're open to any type of
Speaker 1: constructive criticism. Now, yeah, it's a it's incredible. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I've been I've been watching that and just trying to
Speaker 1: pick up on it. You know. I think one one
Speaker 1: big thing for me is and Jonathan cominga who's obviously
Speaker 1: one of our young guys a seventh pit. Yes, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to take it upon myself to do all that
Speaker 1: I can to make sure he has the success that
Speaker 1: he should have. You know, you have a kid who,
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, come over from the Congo at
Speaker 1: thirteen years old, you know, and his journey as well documented.
Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna sit here and go through his journey.
Speaker 1: But now at nineteen, he's in the NBA. You know,
Speaker 1: he has h probably making three and a half million
Speaker 1: dollars a year and no man, he had like five
Speaker 1: a right, making a lot of money. And I'm but
Speaker 1: I'm trying to take it up on myself too, figure
Speaker 1: out how is it that I have to lead him right?
Speaker 1: And I think one of the things for me and
Speaker 1: and that I'm figuring out with that is like Jonathan
Speaker 1: coming is not really a peer of mine. Right He's
Speaker 1: twelve years younger than me, and I'm thirty one years old.
Speaker 1: He's nineteen years old. He's not really my peer. And
Speaker 1: and one of the things that I've been trying to
Speaker 1: do is when dealing with j k Um, view him
Speaker 1: more as my child than my brother, you know, like,
Speaker 1: view him more as or a younger brother than a
Speaker 1: brother that I'm gonna hang with that I grew up
Speaker 1: with it, right, View him more in that light as
Speaker 1: opposed to the light that I would view you in.
Speaker 1: You know, So the way I may say something to you,
Speaker 1: I probably can't say that to him because I wouldn't
Speaker 1: say that after DJ, right like. And so that's something
Speaker 1: and and it's in it's a jestment for me because
Speaker 1: how I am thirty one years old now. The last
Speaker 1: two years we sucked bad and as opposed to leading
Speaker 1: guys to where they need to go in their career,
Speaker 1: you're you're just trying to teach them how to win games,
Speaker 1: like losing this miserable and you're just trying to and
Speaker 1: so there are certain things that gets lost within that.
Speaker 1: And and I'm starting to figure that out with with
Speaker 1: j k and really trying to to teach him everything
Speaker 1: that I can to see him how to success their shop.
Speaker 1: And then you have a young guy like Moses, who
Speaker 1: it's one of those old souls, right like just temperaments different,
Speaker 1: Like temperament is just like he's been in the league forever,
Speaker 1: just kind of moves around a little differently. And so
Speaker 1: the contrast is there. Um, But speaking of the young
Speaker 1: guys and our team. You you obviously sat out last night.
Speaker 1: I think you've missed the last five or six games. Um,
Speaker 1: what was your assessments. I know what my assessment was
Speaker 1: in last night's game and how much better we could
Speaker 1: have been and how much better we will be, But
Speaker 1: what was your assessment and what went wrong? And in
Speaker 1: that game? So I said it to Juan, and like
Speaker 1: the second quarter, because the second half I was getting treatment,
Speaker 1: So I was in the back watching from the team.
Speaker 1: First half, I was up there up close. I was
Speaker 1: seeing every place we were writing down, seeing the coaches.
Speaker 1: So what we were doing, you know, like the first
Speaker 1: thing I noticed was the atmosphere. And now we're getting
Speaker 1: back to the old ways of everywhere we go, the
Speaker 1: atmosphere is gonna be just like that, which was incredible.
Speaker 1: So now you get to see like every team is
Speaker 1: gonna play their best and as you know, we get
Speaker 1: everybody's best, well we are we will be the best
Speaker 1: prepared team come playoffs because we have experience. So I
Speaker 1: always at the people out of time, like yo, I
Speaker 1: like playing like we might lose more games than we
Speaker 1: should have, like maybe we have why losses and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: we only have fifteen left five games, so I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: we got the best to everybody every night. We are
Speaker 1: most prepared going into the playoffs. So I enjoyed that.
Speaker 1: But you also get to see what type of guys
Speaker 1: step up to the challenge, or you get to see
Speaker 1: their energy when it's a big game. And I saw
Speaker 1: Otto Porter, well he looked like he was ready, Like
Speaker 1: he got in the game first shot, pain missed the shot.
Speaker 1: He was like, I can't wait the next shot come,
Speaker 1: I ain't missing, and he just kept hitting timely shots
Speaker 1: and kept the game right within you know, a basket
Speaker 1: possession or two for us a whole night first half.
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, it was kind of like a
Speaker 1: filling out process. I like the Phoenix. I like their
Speaker 1: energy coming into the game, Like it was like a
Speaker 1: game to them, and I don't think not to say
Speaker 1: that we didn't match their energy. I felt like we
Speaker 1: did a good job of rising to that quicker than
Speaker 1: we normally have. But you know how we are, We
Speaker 1: get free flowing, and you know, we messed around to
Speaker 1: be down fifteen. We've been down twelve or more like
Speaker 1: six times this year, seven times a year and came
Speaker 1: back and one of them all. And we didn't let
Speaker 1: that happen because it's like, oh, they just like a
Speaker 1: playoff game, like the third possession, Like let's right, I said, occasion,
Speaker 1: So everybody kind of stepped it up. I think second
Speaker 1: half as we kind of let go to we kind
Speaker 1: of let it go a little bit. We start letting
Speaker 1: him get comfortable, We start letting a few guys get
Speaker 1: to their dominant hand. As I was talking about the
Speaker 1: text change morning, you we let him get to his
Speaker 1: dominant hand, and he started controlling the game the way
Speaker 1: he does everywhere he's gone, and he's, you know, the
Speaker 1: ultimate competitor and he knows how to win. And then
Speaker 1: you know, offensive rebounds skilled us in the first half.
Speaker 1: Obviously our Achilles Hills turnovers, you know, we had some
Speaker 1: we had like live ball turnovers. Like like I always
Speaker 1: say when the young guys going into the games, look, man,
Speaker 1: we have fifteen twenty. We can't lose if you just
Speaker 1: let the shot clock go to zero every possession, we
Speaker 1: still went by ten. We don't take quick, dumb shots
Speaker 1: and don't turn it over. And last night, you know,
Speaker 1: we never really got to a great look, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. We did have a few, Like you
Speaker 1: had a few layups that you've been making all year,
Speaker 1: and you pushed the pace and you've been finishing them amazing,
Speaker 1: and I'm watching you practice, I'm like, damn, that's just
Speaker 1: gonna be big time. They just didn't happen for us
Speaker 1: last night. Stef just, you know, step just didn't have
Speaker 1: his normal legs. Because even he said, I saw one shot,
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's good, and it was the air ball.
Speaker 1: And then he shot another shot. He was like that's good.
Speaker 1: He was like, damn, I was the air But I
Speaker 1: thought I was making it. Have those nights in the NBA,
Speaker 1: I think we could have did it more of a
Speaker 1: split cuts. That was the key. We could have made
Speaker 1: them move a little bit different than what we've been
Speaker 1: showing them. Because as you know we had Katie, we
Speaker 1: had a cheat code. We needed to just get out
Speaker 1: of his way, you know, and that the next level
Speaker 1: for us is we get a little stagnant, we take
Speaker 1: some quick shots, were relying on jump shots. We can
Speaker 1: get to our split cuts, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Especially when Big Feller gets back, which is we're talking
Speaker 1: about the young Fellers. I can't wait to simplify his game.
Speaker 1: I think major stepping stone for for for wise Man
Speaker 1: is simplifying the game of basketball. And once you simplify it,
Speaker 1: and that's when everything else opens up instead of trying
Speaker 1: to do everything at one time. It's like a startup.
Speaker 1: You gotta focus on one little thing and grew out
Speaker 1: from there. So I told him, Juan, and the second quarter,
Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, we have so far to go, and
Speaker 1: we're still like we're still one of the best team's
Speaker 1: top two three teams in the league. Like it's scary,
Speaker 1: but it's not given, Like we gotta go get it.
Speaker 1: So I'm not I think, you know, like you said
Speaker 1: in that game, I probably I'm not sure who was
Speaker 1: worse Stuff Stuff or myself. We were both pretty bad.
Speaker 1: Wiggins probably being a little better than than us two
Speaker 1: were and yet with two minutes and forty seconds left,
Speaker 1: I got a left hand lay up to cut the
Speaker 1: league to one. Ye um, so I like where we are. Also, like,
Speaker 1: like you said, I love the way that guys rose
Speaker 1: to the occasion because I'm not gonna play that bad.
Speaker 1: Stuff is not gonna play that bad. Wiggs is not
Speaker 1: gonna play that bad. When Jordan Poole came out hitting
Speaker 1: shots like he was hitting shots, I kept saying, literally,
Speaker 1: every shot here, show up yond fella. Yep ye You're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: show up yond fella yea yeah, and he just at
Speaker 1: the game come to him like he didn't take any
Speaker 1: He might have had one shot where we're like they're
Speaker 1: going at George pool shot, but he was like one point,
Speaker 1: he got to the fine line. That's what I've been
Speaker 1: on him about this whole years, like, yo, when you're
Speaker 1: making shots, you should get the lines. You should have
Speaker 1: six free through attempts because you making shots there on you.
Speaker 1: And he was just very patient. One time was three
Speaker 1: seconds on the clocky punk fake that it got passed him,
Speaker 1: took a breath shot it right before the buzz, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, normally he would have rushed and I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: I'm just seeing growth and more growth came in and
Speaker 1: hit it big three. We got like, that's one issue
Speaker 1: we have that's not an issue, is just our depth.
Speaker 1: And then that's something that Being says as well. So
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see how you know, we match
Speaker 1: up coming. Yeah, that was that's great. And as I
Speaker 1: said before, are you coming on this show? That was?
Speaker 1: That was part of me that wants to hear even
Speaker 1: or wants to hear more of this than basketball, and
Speaker 1: that is Andre. Uh. Basketball is like his halfday job,
Speaker 1: but he's a frenually capitalist and probably spends more time
Speaker 1: on that today than basketball, just for the simple fact um.
Speaker 1: When you look at managing your body right like not
Speaker 1: you're not on the court all day every day like
Speaker 1: you were when you were twenty four years old. Uh,
Speaker 1: you're You're more precise than and what you do. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm getting on the court. I'm going hard for one hour.
Speaker 1: That's it. You know, I'm making my lift, I'm doing
Speaker 1: my body work. But when you're a venture capitalist, when
Speaker 1: you when and as the way that you are moving
Speaker 1: in that space, like that's a twenty four hour thing.
Speaker 1: You know, like you're seeing an emails if you're awake
Speaker 1: at one am, like and that doesn't stop. But I
Speaker 1: have learned, but had the opportunity to learn a ton
Speaker 1: from you and watch all the moves that you're making
Speaker 1: um in that space, and I think it's incredible. But
Speaker 1: one of the things that I really wanted you to
Speaker 1: come on and and educate me on, and not only myself,
Speaker 1: but our audience as well's you've gotten really deep into
Speaker 1: the n f T s uh space. Tell us more
Speaker 1: about that, Explain n f T S for our audience
Speaker 1: that don't know what an n f T is. And
Speaker 1: then also just tell me more about you in that
Speaker 1: space and what it is that you see going forward
Speaker 1: and why you're so interested into the space and how
Speaker 1: long have you been at it? So I mean to
Speaker 1: try to break it down, you know, as quickly as possible,
Speaker 1: because it's a rabbit hole and I'm in Discords. I
Speaker 1: was on Discord the day forty five minutes. People like, yo,
Speaker 1: you're really in here. I'm like, yeah, I'm studying. So
Speaker 1: n f T is, you know, non funcible token, so
Speaker 1: essentially think of as a digital collectible, you know, like
Speaker 1: we collect so many things, you know, I tell people
Speaker 1: the time, like Warren Buffett is one of the wealthiest
Speaker 1: people on earth because he started collecting stamps and coins
Speaker 1: at like age four or five. Like he had a
Speaker 1: passion for collecting coins, which is currency. So just like
Speaker 1: we enjoyed immersing ourselves in the game of basketball and
Speaker 1: studying basketball, he's studying money. And then he had a
Speaker 1: who traded on the on the stockroom floor, and then
Speaker 1: his popsters in politics and you know, with policy and
Speaker 1: how money moves, taxes, all those things like that was
Speaker 1: his world. So it was no surprise that he just
Speaker 1: he just accumulated a lot of wealth. So we accumulate
Speaker 1: different things in different worlds. You know, how did ebase start?
Speaker 1: eBay started with collecting beanie babies, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And Amazon started with people who were just lovers of books.
Speaker 1: They were able to scale those uh platforms out until
Speaker 1: you know, some of the the e commerce we talked
Speaker 1: about today is you know, everybody's going into the e
Speaker 1: commerce space and from from different away. So n f
Speaker 1: T s a similar in terms of you know, you're
Speaker 1: collecting things digitally. So it started our NBA top shot.
Speaker 1: I got a call from I forgot who it was, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting company. That's just great founder who
Speaker 1: has a great track record of starting up companies in
Speaker 1: this manner and obviously like JaVale McGee, gotta give him
Speaker 1: a lot of credit. You know, people know him as
Speaker 1: JaVale McGee, but as you know, like this dude is
Speaker 1: one of the high Q guys on the planet, not
Speaker 1: just in the NBA, but just smart. So he was
Speaker 1: talking about super smart. Big Cooin was like nine eight,
Speaker 1: nine thousand, and he was like, Yo, it's gonna get
Speaker 1: to fifteen. Get some bitcoin, and I'm like, I ain't
Speaker 1: really ready to get you know, the things just got
Speaker 1: to six six five. You know this past summer, we
Speaker 1: all know what's happening. But you know, when you talk
Speaker 1: about cryptocurrencies and the blockchain and how that whole space
Speaker 1: works with the ledger, which is your receipts, everything's works
Speaker 1: more efficiently, everything is more accountable. You know. Uh, they
Speaker 1: figured out that they were starting the financial sector in
Speaker 1: terms of introducing the blockchain because they knew if they
Speaker 1: can get the finance side right, everything else will follow
Speaker 1: behind it. It's just like the based out with beanie
Speaker 1: babies and everything came behind it. So that's just this
Speaker 1: entreated market and uh NBA top Shot obviously was big
Speaker 1: for that, not just NBA before in a T space
Speaker 1: because people were very excited to start, you know, collecting moments.
Speaker 1: This is like a trading car. So people was like, well,
Speaker 1: I can just go uh screenshot of image on my phone.
Speaker 1: What's the difference And I'm like, yeah, you can print
Speaker 1: a picture off your printer. That don't mean you own
Speaker 1: the actual trading card, you know, and it shows who
Speaker 1: owns it on the ledger, so there's actually a rece
Speaker 1: say I own this. So there's many different things you
Speaker 1: can do with owning a digital asset. You know, one
Speaker 1: thing that artists, um, they make more money in the
Speaker 1: n f T space than painting a picture. You know,
Speaker 1: Picasso paints a picture, sells it one time, and you know,
Speaker 1: most artists don't make money while they're alive. They sell
Speaker 1: that picture one time and that's the only time they
Speaker 1: make money off of it. Or actually n f T
Speaker 1: s uh there's a six percent uh fee every time
Speaker 1: it's being moved the soul, so the artist gets paid
Speaker 1: even though they don't own that picture throughout its course
Speaker 1: of its life. And then you know Obviously you've got
Speaker 1: trust which goes into dolls, which is a whole another
Speaker 1: Rabbi hole on the block on the on the ledger
Speaker 1: and the block chain space. Uh be'st key too. You
Speaker 1: know you've got a few like Spencer Denwoody is just
Speaker 1: amazing when he speaks on it. He's heavily into the
Speaker 1: h He wanted to get paid in Uh. He wanted
Speaker 1: his whole NBA contract in a crypto, which technically can't
Speaker 1: you can't do, but there's a way to do it.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm working on something right now where I
Speaker 1: could be compensated uh through bitcoin. So um, you see
Speaker 1: how far I digress because it's so immersive. But the
Speaker 1: n f T space right now, Uh, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of digital images. It's a lot of Uh. It's almost
Speaker 1: like a secret society. You look at board of yacht clubs,
Speaker 1: It's like, why would I buy a picture of a
Speaker 1: gorilla for five dollars? And it's almost like its own
Speaker 1: secret society where you get access to a certain club
Speaker 1: in Miami, l a New York Like you gotta have this.
Speaker 1: Your phone is your is your wallet, and it shows
Speaker 1: you own it and it shows up on leiguer like
Speaker 1: I get access to this party, or I get access
Speaker 1: to all the merch first. You know, it's like a
Speaker 1: pair of Jordan's. You know, they make ten thousand pairs
Speaker 1: of Jordan's, and you know it's sponds of fifty million
Speaker 1: people in America and fifty million sneaker heads. It's only
Speaker 1: ten thousand shoes. So people buy them up and then
Speaker 1: they resell them because it's it's just the hot commodity
Speaker 1: to have. It's the same thing. It's just a pair
Speaker 1: of shoes, you know what I mean. It's gonna wear
Speaker 1: out what you're gonna do just leaving there. You can't
Speaker 1: wear them. They lose the value of same thing with it.
Speaker 1: You know, people like collecting uh, digital photos that other
Speaker 1: people don't have the kind of shows or socio economic
Speaker 1: status with with with with within the economy or within
Speaker 1: our our worlds we live in. And that's what it's
Speaker 1: efasically gonna go to. Where you're talking about the metaverse,
Speaker 1: we're just talking about way at three point, where we're
Speaker 1: all going to exist in this virtual world and we're
Speaker 1: gonna express ourselves through our avatar. So your avatar is
Speaker 1: going to be like you know, the person that people see.
Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna can surely start pacing each other
Speaker 1: and then just coming back in small groups. But we're
Speaker 1: all going to Like Microsoft is big on the workspace metaverse,
Speaker 1: where you can work from home but you put the
Speaker 1: headset on, but you see your co workers working in
Speaker 1: real time and your surroundings look a little different. It's
Speaker 1: not home because you know there's that layer that thinks
Speaker 1: you're at work. And then um, Facebook, which is called
Speaker 1: meta now they just put up They spent like ten
Speaker 1: billion this year already in the space, which tells you
Speaker 1: everything you need to know. You know, when when these
Speaker 1: large companies start pumping out billions of dollars into a space,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's like the innovatives dilemma, but it's
Speaker 1: not because they know what was coming and they disrupted
Speaker 1: so manyfferent things. They know something's going to come after them,
Speaker 1: so they got to be ready for hit some and
Speaker 1: you know, uh, Square just changed this name Jack Dorsey,
Speaker 1: you know, he was CEO of Twitter and Square he
Speaker 1: just changed the name of Square, which is larger spent
Speaker 1: one of the largest fintech companies in the world to block,
Speaker 1: which is you know, so it's just moving so crazy
Speaker 1: and we're just trying to stay ahead of it, and
Speaker 1: uh it's exciting, you know, Uh it's a laughing I'll say.
Speaker 1: You know started with web point oh, which was you know,
Speaker 1: platforms creating and publishing and uh monetizing and owning everything,
Speaker 1: and then web two point over where in right now
Speaker 1: you see creators creating everything, you know, but we create
Speaker 1: content and where does it go? It goes to Facebook,
Speaker 1: it goes to Instagram, it goes to TikTok, and we
Speaker 1: don't participate in that and that value at the same
Speaker 1: way you know the Warriors of work for a fifty
Speaker 1: million when when steps there and when you get there
Speaker 1: when clays they're not worth five billion, but if there's
Speaker 1: a sale, do we participate in the accumulation of value?
Speaker 1: In sl zero? Right, So there's no ownership. So what
Speaker 1: free points about creators creating and creators uh having you
Speaker 1: know they actually own you know, everything that exists that
Speaker 1: they're creating, which is we've never seen before. So we're
Speaker 1: in exciting times. And uh it's just for us to
Speaker 1: try to continue to spread the knowledge because obviously African
Speaker 1: Americans we always the last one to get access to anything,
Speaker 1: and then we're always you know, the system is set
Speaker 1: up for us to you know, be at the bottom
Speaker 1: of the totem pole because you know, you have to
Speaker 1: have cheap labor, and we've always been the ones to
Speaker 1: have cheap labor. So part of me being excited is
Speaker 1: to take all this information, put it together, package it
Speaker 1: the right way, and give it back to our community
Speaker 1: so we can own it and we can learn it
Speaker 1: and we can start having leadership. You know, we can
Speaker 1: be the you know, the coach, the GM, the owner.
Speaker 1: And when you're when you're in those positions of power,
Speaker 1: I guess you can call it, but you start hiring
Speaker 1: and identifying who is good that you know because you
Speaker 1: hire who you know when you're hiring what you're comfortable with.
Speaker 1: And that's why we've never been a position to being
Speaker 1: those job titles that can bring more people that look like,
Speaker 1: you know, the manager. So I I so I know nothing,
Speaker 1: I don't own any n where do I start? Uh? Okay,
Speaker 1: it's like the easiest way you need to do. It's
Speaker 1: really three things. You know, get a coin based account. Um,
Speaker 1: what's the word I'm looking for? Uh? I have to
Speaker 1: let everyone know that I am investor in coin base, right,
Speaker 1: So but you get a coin based account. There's other
Speaker 1: places I think f t X which just did it
Speaker 1: was still with step, but you know coin based account.
Speaker 1: Then you get a metal mask account, so coin bases
Speaker 1: where you buy your crypto, which you know, all n
Speaker 1: f t s not all majority runoff ethereum, right, and
Speaker 1: then there's a lot of base there's test those based,
Speaker 1: but for the most part it's ethereum. So you go
Speaker 1: to coin base and then you link your bank account
Speaker 1: and then you put every much money you want to
Speaker 1: get a theory um. Then you get a metal mask
Speaker 1: which is a wallet, so it's like a digital wallet
Speaker 1: that basically you can buy n f T s. So
Speaker 1: you need the meta masks or there's other digital waters
Speaker 1: as well, but I use meta masks, not investor metal masks.
Speaker 1: But once you have met a mask, you're gonna open See.
Speaker 1: Coin Base has an n f T platform and it's
Speaker 1: a test pilot right now. But for the most part
Speaker 1: open Sea that is where people go where all the
Speaker 1: n f T s are listed and uh, you use
Speaker 1: meta masks to buy from open See, and you also
Speaker 1: need discord as well. Discord is when you see a
Speaker 1: project that you like. You go to Discord, you go
Speaker 1: to that project chat room and you talk to the
Speaker 1: community and you can kind of get a good field
Speaker 1: for projects gonna do well or not because you have
Speaker 1: authentic people having conversations about all right, what makes this
Speaker 1: n f T valuable? Is it a money grab They're
Speaker 1: just trying to sell something real quick and get out.
Speaker 1: It's a bunch of those. Or is there a role map?
Speaker 1: Is there a utility here saying when I have this
Speaker 1: digital asset, what comes with it? You know? Do I
Speaker 1: get access to this, do I get access to that?
Speaker 1: Am I able to meet this person? To meet able
Speaker 1: to meet that person? And then you see a lot
Speaker 1: of celebrities that are in and out, so you just
Speaker 1: gotta be careful. So you still gotta be your homework.
Speaker 1: Is just like investing in you know, a company that
Speaker 1: they may not be as well known, and you just
Speaker 1: got to track it and see what they're doing every quarter.
Speaker 1: So you just you just those four things help you
Speaker 1: Coin based meta masks, Open Sea, and Discord. It's interesting, UM,
Speaker 1: I appreciate you sharing that knowledge because it's, like you said,
Speaker 1: I think it's very important. You know, when you speak
Speaker 1: on Javl McGee and bitcoin. I appreciate you saying that
Speaker 1: about javel because he is probably one of the most
Speaker 1: misunderstood people in the NBA because of the javel McGee, um,
Speaker 1: you know, and all of those things. People think Javelle
Speaker 1: McGee is dumb, right, And like you said, he is
Speaker 1: probably one of the top five smartest guys in the NBA.
Speaker 1: Uh and top five maybe selling them short, you know,
Speaker 1: it's just you know, I mean, Javelle McGee is like
Speaker 1: one of those people that he's so smart sometimes it
Speaker 1: can fly by you or it's hard to understand him
Speaker 1: because he's so smart and so uh. I have an
Speaker 1: appreciation for that. But speaking of bitcoin, I remember shamaf
Speaker 1: told me years ago that bitcoin probably had to be
Speaker 1: worth three four a bitcoin. He said, take one percent
Speaker 1: of your network. This had to be eight seven, eight
Speaker 1: years ago. Take one percent of your network and put
Speaker 1: it into bitcoin. Yep, like bitcoin, what is that? Right?
Speaker 1: And he starts breaking down to me what bitcoin is.
Speaker 1: And at the time, I didn't really have any money,
Speaker 1: so I couldn't even process was putting one percent of
Speaker 1: the little money that I did have into anything, right, Like, No,
Speaker 1: I don't have any money to put into that. I
Speaker 1: should have put it in there, but I didn't. But nonetheless, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, it is what it is, and you live
Speaker 1: and you learn, um and and that kind of where
Speaker 1: I am in the space is just continue to learn um,
Speaker 1: you know, trying to get more active in the space,
Speaker 1: but also I want to thoroughly understand it before I
Speaker 1: just get super active into it, you know. And so
Speaker 1: that's that's what I've been trying to do. I was,
Speaker 1: But the funny thing is the best thing that happened
Speaker 1: to me is my account guy had I got robbed.
Speaker 1: Like it's funny that it happened like that. But so
Speaker 1: if you click, like, uh, warning for everybody, don't click
Speaker 1: on anything in discord, Like, don't click anything like in
Speaker 1: terms of like links. Right. So I'm just trying to learn,
Speaker 1: you know, how we are like we we know how
Speaker 1: to work hard. We're watching hours and hours of films,
Speaker 1: so it's nothing to us to study. Like it's easy
Speaker 1: for us to pick up on stuff. That's why people say, like,
Speaker 1: you know, like athletes, we can transition to different places
Speaker 1: because like we just learned how to work hard and
Speaker 1: you know, uh obtain information. So I'm just learning clicking
Speaker 1: on stuff, and I clicked on the wrong thing. Somebody
Speaker 1: you know, got access to my account and then I
Speaker 1: accidentally screenshot my passwords to my wallet and then they
Speaker 1: go into my cloud. Got that to boom, take my stuff.
Speaker 1: Right But that right there, I didn't losing, but I
Speaker 1: talked to somebody in the community. Community showed up for
Speaker 1: me and showed me how to get everything back. I
Speaker 1: would get everything back to square whatever I still lost.
Speaker 1: But he was like, thinking about it as you just
Speaker 1: went to school and you just got your degree and
Speaker 1: n F T S. And I was like, wow, because
Speaker 1: now I'm able to teach other people do this, do that,
Speaker 1: move like this, move like that, all right, watch out
Speaker 1: for this, watch out for that. Even with like some
Speaker 1: of the projects that aren't that good. I got some
Speaker 1: projects that's like I wouldn't did that if I could
Speaker 1: have do it again. But now I just give it
Speaker 1: the same information to other people. So I say the
Speaker 1: best thing to do is just buy one thing and
Speaker 1: just like watch it. That experience alone will teach you
Speaker 1: so much. Then you know one person can tell you Yeah,
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, man, And and I think for me, um,
Speaker 1: when when you first came out here, uh, and you
Speaker 1: came to go to State Warriors. I remember like everything
Speaker 1: that she was talking about, like a lot of text splace.
Speaker 1: I want to do this of space and to see
Speaker 1: where you've actually grown in that space. It's like incredible,
Speaker 1: Like you're well respected in that space, You're well known
Speaker 1: in that space, and you you've had some some investments
Speaker 1: that's performed, written several unicorns that's performed really well. Um
Speaker 1: as you now now you're you know, in the last
Speaker 1: couple of years of your career. Uh, from just even
Speaker 1: listening to you saying maybe last year was it, you know,
Speaker 1: in the last couple of years of your career winding
Speaker 1: down obviously venture it's probably what's next for you, But
Speaker 1: what what does that look like for you moving forward? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really exciting, you know, I think, you know, without
Speaker 1: given too much that hasn't been announced at like everything's
Speaker 1: you know, sort of coming to fruition. And I had
Speaker 1: a really good conversation with one of my favorite, uh
Speaker 1: private equity guys. He's not really a venture capitalist, but
Speaker 1: a private equity guy, and I don't want to put
Speaker 1: his name out there, like he enjoys being anonymous. You know,
Speaker 1: like we want to be like them, and most of
Speaker 1: them want to be like us. But he's the one
Speaker 1: who enjoys. No one knows his name. And he was like, listen,
Speaker 1: you gotta take and I think all basketball players should
Speaker 1: do this. Like we we had so much success and
Speaker 1: like we were just like all right, where's the next
Speaker 1: where's the next mountain of client? And we free to
Speaker 1: give ourselves flowers, you know, that's the cultural thing to say,
Speaker 1: like give the flowers while they're still here. And it's
Speaker 1: like we forget to basking our own success, Like we
Speaker 1: let so many voices outside the game not let us
Speaker 1: enjoy the success we had, like let's keep it a hunted,
Speaker 1: like you remember, like we remember really where we came from,
Speaker 1: Like that room I lived in when I was in
Speaker 1: like second grade, Like I can't even walk in there
Speaker 1: right now. I'm like I gotta crazy, Like how you
Speaker 1: grow up like that? Right? Like mush, A whole lot
Speaker 1: of the African American men, like the odds are already
Speaker 1: stacked up against us, like we beat the life expectacy already,
Speaker 1: Like no one even says that. So he said that, like, yo,
Speaker 1: where you came from six years ago? In the text
Speaker 1: space to where you are now, Like no one would
Speaker 1: have predicted that. Like you came a long way already,
Speaker 1: and you're so focused on the goal and you think
Speaker 1: you got so far to go, and it's like, no,
Speaker 1: you came along way. You got to start enjoying that,
Speaker 1: embracing it. So I tried to do that. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, like we're just wired to keep competing,
Speaker 1: and we're wired wired. It's just like what's next, what's next?
Speaker 1: Like trying to get somewhere where you know, nobody thought
Speaker 1: we can go where they at. You know, they like
Speaker 1: we can get to the NBA, But how many of
Speaker 1: us are our owners or how many of us you know,
Speaker 1: I've accumulated this much amount of wealth because it's not
Speaker 1: about how much money I got in the bank, but
Speaker 1: it is because this much money, amount of money in
Speaker 1: the bank's real change to my community, because it's like
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand there. We call them band aids over
Speaker 1: bullet wounds, like they really don't fix the problems. But
Speaker 1: when you start talking about mdowments, putting the right infrastructure
Speaker 1: in place to where you never have to touch the
Speaker 1: money and you can run organizations and foundations just off
Speaker 1: the interest alone. Uh, the endowment you put in place,
Speaker 1: Now that's real change. Now you got to school. You know,
Speaker 1: Jalen Rose has done it. Beautiful beautiful economy Academy, Lebron
Speaker 1: James has done it, you know, and and and we
Speaker 1: don't even talk about those things enough. Those are generational
Speaker 1: changes and providing that right infrastructure. So the next group
Speaker 1: of folks behind us are in a much better position
Speaker 1: situation that we are. In turn, they do the same thing.
Speaker 1: And that's how you build that group economics, as David
Speaker 1: West was always talking about. So you know, in the
Speaker 1: VC space, I got a few things that would be
Speaker 1: coming out in the next couple of months on the
Speaker 1: VC side, even on the private equity side, uh, even
Speaker 1: on you know, the athletes side that I'm really excited about.
Speaker 1: And just you know, got my eyes and crossing my
Speaker 1: teas and just you know, button everything up. No, it's beautiful. See.
Speaker 1: And like I said, as someone who watches you, um
Speaker 1: right here, I just want to say thank you for
Speaker 1: the knowledge that you've shared with me, for the path
Speaker 1: that you've laid out for all of us. I I
Speaker 1: speak for myself, but I can also speak for guys,
Speaker 1: and that in the locker room because I know how
Speaker 1: we all look at you, Steph Curry. I know how,
Speaker 1: um how his business has ran so incredibly now and
Speaker 1: a part of that was watching you, you know, and
Speaker 1: the things that you were doing. So I definitely appreciate that.
Speaker 1: And obviously we're on an off day, so I don't
Speaker 1: want to take up much more of your time. I
Speaker 1: appreciate you coming on. I do have two more basketball
Speaker 1: questions before I let you out of here, um and
Speaker 1: And the first one is I know, for me, I
Speaker 1: am looking at this team and as I said, we
Speaker 1: kind of got that mix of younger and experience, and
Speaker 1: it feels right like the team feel good. It's just
Speaker 1: it feels right like the oars right. The vibe is great.
Speaker 1: The coaching staff has been incredible, I mean the training staff,
Speaker 1: like it just feel right, like do you feel or
Speaker 1: see anything? Because I know, I like this feel real
Speaker 1: two thousand and fifteen sixteen is for me, Like that's
Speaker 1: how it feels for me. The funny thing is like
Speaker 1: coming in like I knew like that Miami he culture
Speaker 1: had me like locked in, so I'm already ready to go,
Speaker 1: like all right, I gotta bring that minami heat kind
Speaker 1: of vibe like make sure, yeah, we really locked in
Speaker 1: every day, but to say that I could predict this
Speaker 1: will be a lie, like and then you don't know,
Speaker 1: like most of the time you can, you know, like
Speaker 1: all the like when we had success the first year,
Speaker 1: we didn't quite know until but after that, we like,
Speaker 1: we're about to about to run through through these dudes
Speaker 1: the next four years long as we together, we running
Speaker 1: through people. You're coming back. He was like, you're still
Speaker 1: trying to figure it out. Then you start feeling the energy,
Speaker 1: like you said the coaching staff, you start seeing the
Speaker 1: young guys and then you see that video or quite
Speaker 1: the other day, but you see the cla I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh oh h now and now you locked it even more,
Speaker 1: like yo, let's not waste no time, let's not throw
Speaker 1: nothing away, like let's take advantage of all these moments,
Speaker 1: like we all know this ain't guaranteed and everyone, for
Speaker 1: whatever they said, we had a really good team. Just
Speaker 1: because you got a good team on me even win it,
Speaker 1: like you still gotta win it. Yeah, understand how precious
Speaker 1: this this moments are and what we got ahead of us.
Speaker 1: So I'm like super like you just wake up and
Speaker 1: you can't wait to get to work, and people don't understand,
Speaker 1: like being a professional athlete, there's so many things that
Speaker 1: come with it that can like stray you away from
Speaker 1: the joy of your job, and it's just like becoming
Speaker 1: drag sometimes. But when you're excited to go to work, like,
Speaker 1: it's an incredible feeling, man like, and it's just every
Speaker 1: day is just like even when you're working hard, it's
Speaker 1: not work hard, hard work. It's just like, yo, we're
Speaker 1: getting better. Yeah, no, it's it's great. It's funny. I
Speaker 1: said that the little yesterday, like, loo, I just enjoy
Speaker 1: coming to work again, man Like, it just feels good
Speaker 1: to come here. And you're speaking of Clay when I
Speaker 1: saw that video when they showed us that, like what
Speaker 1: the hell like? And what people don't know is the
Speaker 1: video that they saw he hit his first six shots
Speaker 1: of the scrimmage. Like and as we we know h Q,
Speaker 1: who was who was up here with us for like
Speaker 1: a week, and so in training camp, like you guarding him,
Speaker 1: you're getting all them buckets. They come in bunches, like
Speaker 1: we we all saw the clips and we saw I
Speaker 1: broke up. But if he hits six straight, that was
Speaker 1: six of the first temp possessions because you know Clay
Speaker 1: he hit that first one. They're not gonna let you
Speaker 1: just lose him. And he hidden shots. He going to
Speaker 1: get the ball. So you know, those six buckets absolutely
Speaker 1: came within the first six the first temp possessions of
Speaker 1: that scrimmage. And that had me so excited. Man, seeing
Speaker 1: him playing like that. Obviously we're playing well, but just
Speaker 1: on his journey. Man, it's beautiful to see. So I
Speaker 1: am extremely excited about Clay coming back. I know we
Speaker 1: all are. And yes we are playing great, but you
Speaker 1: add Clay Thomson back to the foe and then Wiseman
Speaker 1: back to the phoe, like I like where we at.
Speaker 1: But lastly, what I want to ask you, and I
Speaker 1: think this one, this question is really near and dear
Speaker 1: to me because as someone who have the opportunity to
Speaker 1: play with share the court with you for seven years now,
Speaker 1: uh this is seven year seven, I think six or seven, um,
Speaker 1: I know, and then also sharing the court with them
Speaker 1: how to buy you uh this summer? The one thing
Speaker 1: he said, the one thing we both obviously agree on
Speaker 1: this like playing with Andre just makes the game easier, right,
Speaker 1: Like it makes the game easier for you and understanding
Speaker 1: your impact and what you bring to the game. And
Speaker 1: now you start to talk about the All Star appearance,
Speaker 1: all Star appearances, the Championships, finals, m v P, defensive teams,
Speaker 1: all these things. It bothers me when people don't say
Speaker 1: you're a lock as for a Hall of Famer like that.
Speaker 1: That bothers me. And I don't understand. I understand it
Speaker 1: because what I understand is that people don't understand the
Speaker 1: game of basketball, and so I understand it from that
Speaker 1: perspective of like, y'all don't really understand the game of basketball,
Speaker 1: so you technically don't know what you're watching. Um. But it, boy,
Speaker 1: there's me when people don't say andres an equal dollars
Speaker 1: a lot for the Hall of Fame, because you know,
Speaker 1: we see a lot of guys who can jump out
Speaker 1: the gym. You being one of those guys, obviously not
Speaker 1: as jumping as high as you are. Who who's jumping
Speaker 1: out high at your age and all the miles that
Speaker 1: you have on your body, but you still get up
Speaker 1: hiring the most guys, and for most guys, that's a hinderance.
Speaker 1: Like you see guys that can jump and they're dumber
Speaker 1: than the back of rocks, like like they don't really
Speaker 1: understand the game of basketball because they've just ran somewhere
Speaker 1: and jumped all their life. And whereas you happen to
Speaker 1: be one of the smartest guys in the league jumping
Speaker 1: like that, it's so rare. Does it bother you like
Speaker 1: it bother me when people not saying you're a lot
Speaker 1: for the Hall of Fame? I don't think so, because like,
Speaker 1: like I think I said it a couple of times,
Speaker 1: like I really couldn't see how good, Like I couldn't
Speaker 1: see how good Step was when I was playing with him,
Speaker 1: Like I know how good you were, because we're kind
Speaker 1: of in the same lane as like we know how
Speaker 1: good we are what we do, and we know it's
Speaker 1: very high level. Well what Step does. It's like it's
Speaker 1: loud and you see it, but he's so focused on
Speaker 1: trying to get to like what's next, Like we're like
Speaker 1: proactive players where we're gonna get there before you do.
Speaker 1: So it's like one thing with Whigs. I'm like Whigs,
Speaker 1: like he's been really good defensively this year, and he
Speaker 1: this is when I knew I was this, when I
Speaker 1: knew I was kind of good like I never like
Speaker 1: saying I'm good, like I'm nice, but this one I
Speaker 1: knew like I was doing things the right way. Whigs
Speaker 1: is like, yo, what are some things you like to
Speaker 1: do when you go on Lebron? I was like, whoa,
Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, you've got way more ability than me.
Speaker 1: But then I had to like, okay, okay, this is
Speaker 1: a good thing. And then I give him some pointers.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, it's really not about stopping him, because
Speaker 1: you can't. It's just about beating him to the spot
Speaker 1: before he gets there. And that starts when step shoots
Speaker 1: so and student steps shot the ball. I would be
Speaker 1: looking for Lebron like, all right, where is he at
Speaker 1: and what point of attack will he be taking the
Speaker 1: ball at the bounce? That's the first thing that went
Speaker 1: off on my mind. So for me, it was just
Speaker 1: like I wasn't really able to see things like, you know,
Speaker 1: how good Steph was, you know, so I couldn't like
Speaker 1: really appreci So that goes back to like, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm upset at how people see the game, like as
Speaker 1: you know, we like we identified the journalists who know
Speaker 1: the game who don't, and not even journalists, just people
Speaker 1: in general and we realize most don't know the game
Speaker 1: that well. Because you know so then it doesn't bother me.
Speaker 1: And then I always say, like I talked about the
Speaker 1: top s any Bible lest I always say, like, there's
Speaker 1: guys in the Hall of Fame that I feel like
Speaker 1: I think I'm better than him, and I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to be copy like I think I'm better than that guy.
Speaker 1: He's in the Hall of Fame. But there are guys
Speaker 1: who are not in the Hall of Fame that are
Speaker 1: better than me. But there's a lot and I'm just like,
Speaker 1: hey man, it just is what it is. You just
Speaker 1: it becomes, it comes. If it doesn't, it doesn't. And
Speaker 1: like I said before, like the impact our generation of
Speaker 1: basketball players are going to have, it just gets bigger
Speaker 1: and bigger through each generation, which shows that there is
Speaker 1: you know, there's maturity, it shows evolution. We're becoming better
Speaker 1: as humans. Like the things we're doing off the court
Speaker 1: are going to have a much bigger impact, uh, for
Speaker 1: not just basketball players, but just you know, black kids
Speaker 1: in general. And I think that's what we should be
Speaker 1: most proud about. And like that really goes back to
Speaker 1: like you having a conversation with Bob yesterday. I'm like, Bro,
Speaker 1: like the impact that we have outside of the game,
Speaker 1: it's just it's just crazy. Absolutely, no, Man, I definitely
Speaker 1: appreciate it. The vat Andre Godalla, hall of famer in
Speaker 1: my book Chat. I appreciate everything you've done for me,
Speaker 1: including obviously coming on this podcast today, but goes way
Speaker 1: beyond this podcast, just in my career, in my life,
Speaker 1: the things you've taught me always be somebody I'll look to,
Speaker 1: I'll call upon when I need some advice, when I
Speaker 1: need somebody to talk to our sharped you brother, Thank
Speaker 1: you for coming on. Thank you, Man, appreciate you. Proud
Speaker 1: of you too. Man. We gotta say that more often. Man,
Speaker 1: appreciate you. Bro. Likewise, likewise are our venture capitalist brother
Speaker 1: who who caused and have it over there and figuring
Speaker 1: it out. Man. Definitely appreciate it, Sir Man. What an
Speaker 1: incredible conversation just to have with with Andre. Obviously I
Speaker 1: am I have the opportunity to have those conversations often
Speaker 1: and and really just sit and soak up the knowledge
Speaker 1: and learn as he is one of the guys that
Speaker 1: I truly respect, the way he goes about his business,
Speaker 1: the way he has capitalized on being in such a
Speaker 1: hotbed of technology in Silicon Valley. I think it's incredible
Speaker 1: and so always honored UM to just take in some
Speaker 1: of the knowledge and some of the um advice that
Speaker 1: he that he gives, which he does often, which he
Speaker 1: doesn't have to. So I'm very thankful and appreciative of that.
Speaker 1: So again, to my big brother Andre, thank you for
Speaker 1: coming on and Draymond Green show before we wrap, I'd
Speaker 1: be remissed if I didn't mention the late great Virgil
Speaker 1: I blow Uh. He's for what he's done for our culture.
Speaker 1: Number one rest in peace, UM, and to his family,
Speaker 1: I sent my my thoughts, my prayers, well wishes and
Speaker 1: most importantly my love. Losing a loved one is never easy,
Speaker 1: and you know, losing a loved one at forty one
Speaker 1: years old, it's tough, and obviously none of us know
Speaker 1: the time, nor to day, nor the place. Uh, But
Speaker 1: nonetheless it's it doesn't make it easier. And obviously now
Speaker 1: we all know for the last two better part of
Speaker 1: the last two two and a half years, he's battling cancer,
Speaker 1: and number one, to continue doing what he was doing
Speaker 1: while going through his journey and his fight with cancer,
Speaker 1: just speaks to the guy that that he is, that
Speaker 1: he was, and speaks to why he was able to
Speaker 1: do what he was able to do. I mean, you
Speaker 1: have a guy now who we just saw I just
Speaker 1: saw today. Uh, they have something display off some Mercedes
Speaker 1: car that he that he designed. We know he designed
Speaker 1: Drake's playing Um, we know he's designed watches for Drake,
Speaker 1: obviously off white Pyrex, going all the way back and
Speaker 1: then on the Louis Vatton and what what he's able
Speaker 1: to do there as a black man, UM going to
Speaker 1: a brand like Louis Vatton and being the head of
Speaker 1: create of the creators designed for Louis Vatton owned by LVMH,
Speaker 1: a black man from Chicago. Uh, some heard of We
Speaker 1: lost a great one. We lost a guy who has
Speaker 1: changed culture, who has changed the way we look at fashion, UM,
Speaker 1: who's changed the way art, fashion, um, music and are intertwined.
Speaker 1: You're talking about a guy who has shown us he's
Speaker 1: an artist and the design things that he does. He's
Speaker 1: shown us he's an artist through the music aspect in
Speaker 1: his DJ and and things that he's does, and obviously
Speaker 1: through his creation of the brands that he's created and
Speaker 1: the collections that he's put out with that he's been
Speaker 1: in charge of at at Louis Vutton just an incredible creative.
Speaker 1: I never had the opportunity of meeting Virgil, but I
Speaker 1: know from my fashion sense and the things that I like,
Speaker 1: he had a huge impact on that and just the
Speaker 1: things that he put out and and so, man, it's
Speaker 1: a tough one. Uh. You know, a guy who's broken
Speaker 1: down barriers for creators, especially African American black, just black creatives.
Speaker 1: He's broken down a lot of walls, broken down some barriers.
Speaker 1: And looking forward to the creatives of today carrying on
Speaker 1: his legging legacy. Uh you know seleehy been Bery, uh Heron, Preston,
Speaker 1: uh Don c And the list goes on and on. Creators,
Speaker 1: creators that continue to shape our culture. So I'm looking
Speaker 1: forward to Jerry Lorenzo, you know, I'm looking forward to
Speaker 1: those guys continuing to carry out his legacy, carry on
Speaker 1: his legacy. Obviously, will continue to see the imprint that
Speaker 1: he left on on the fashion world. But man, gone
Speaker 1: way too soon. Virtual I blow. I sent my love
Speaker 1: to his family, his loved ones, his friends, UM, anyone
Speaker 1: that's that he's impacted their life, who feels that loss.
Speaker 1: Uh send my love, my thoughts and my prayers. Man,
Speaker 1: it's a tough one, but the third episode of The
Speaker 1: Draymond Green Show. Thank everybody for tuning in. Uh see
Speaker 1: you guys next week. Peace and love.