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But first we are going to talk about 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:28.319 last night's game, the Warriors versus the Suns, which I 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:31.320 guess people may have enjoyed it. I didn't quite enjoy 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:35.480 it that that much, but nonetheless I did enjoy the atmosphere. 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:41.880 It was an incredible atmosphere. Um, it was playoff like atmosphere. 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:44.600 And you know it's the ones that you you you 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:48.960 love of playing and you get up for. Obviously, Tuesday 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:52.600 night in the Association, number one versus number two in 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:57.520 the West, uh in the NBA actually, um, you know 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:01.520 a matchup that we could definitely see um sometime down 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:05.560 the line in May. So it was a very important 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:09.880 game and obviously finished at the game. M My assessments 0:02:09.960 --> 0:02:14.480 on the game, UM, I think number one, you gotta 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:16.800 get Phoenix a lot of credit at their defense was 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:19.920 very stellar last night. I think they did an incredible 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:24.000 job on everybody, making it tough. They made the place 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:26.799 they needed to make down to stretch offensively. And then 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:30.079 saying all of that, we were on the road with 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:35.840 twenty three turnovers turnovers, and yet with two and a 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:37.760 half minutes to go, I had a left hand lay 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:40.600 up streaking down the middle of the floor with a 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:43.120 chance to cut it the one and so and saying 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:46.200 that I love where we are still as a team. 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:49.720 I think I'm not sure you you will find a 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:54.520 game where myself Stephan Wiggs will play worse than we 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:56.800 played last night. And like I said, we still had 0:02:56.880 --> 0:02:59.680 a chance to win that game right down the stretch 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:01.800 three minutes ago. I gotta give a lot of credit 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:04.959 to Chris Paul. He did what he What Chris Paul does, 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:08.760 He carries his teams. Uh Deep book went out towards 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:11.320 the end of the first half, and Chris Paul just 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:14.079 did what he does. He carries teams, he makes timely plays, 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:17.240 he gets everybody involved, he picks and chooses when he 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:19.440 needs to get his shot going, and he did that 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:22.600 last night. And one thing about Chris Paul that's interesting, 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:27.040 UH and other guys in this league is um when 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:32.280 you talk about winners, we all tend to turn to 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:35.240 the guys who's won championships. And don't get me wrong, 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:38.560 winning championships is extremely important. Like you want to win 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:41.000 champion you play sports, you want to win championships. It's 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:43.520 the Holy Gril, It's that's what we're all playing. For 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:46.240 you want to be the last team standing. But Chris 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:48.600 Paul is one of those guys that's interesting where he 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:51.360 has not won a championship. Last year was his first 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:55.080 year with Year sixteen, I think, playing in the NBA Finals. 0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:59.000 But I personally think Chris Paul is a winner like 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:02.280 he wins and year in a year out. I mean, 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:05.240 they sent him to okay See to pretty much lie 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:07.440 on his death bed. Not only did he not lie 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:09.240 on his death bed, he took that team to the 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:13.320 playoffs because he did so well. Sam Presty worked with 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:15.520 him to get him to a situation that he wanted 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:17.960 to be in, and now we see what he's doing 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:20.720 with the Phinish squad. And so that's just an interesting 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:23.080 thought that I have. And when I when I'm just 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:30.080 sitting and dissecting basketball, dissecting careers, um, dissecting resumes, that's 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:32.160 one that's always interesting for me. And like I said, 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:35.520 that's Chris Paul. But that's not only Chris Paul. There 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:40.440 are other guys in this league who Jimmy Butler, who's 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:44.800 one everywhere he's gone, never won a championship, but he's 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:48.560 a winner like he's one. He's made teams win everywhere 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:51.080 he's gone, and so you know, that's that's just an 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:53.320 interesting thing to me, especially when you get into the 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:56.880 debate of Hall of Fame and all time grades and 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:01.400 NBA seventy lists, all of these things that that's an 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:05.080 interesting one for me. But like I said, back back 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:07.839 to the game, I thought our defense was pretty good 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:11.679 in the first half. I thought we could have definitely 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:14.520 cleaned up some things, and then obviously in the second 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:18.120 half as well. But again, uh, it all goes back 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:20.120 to you have twenty three turnovers, you can can you 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:23.000 get your defense set? Like how many times do we 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:25.960 get a chance to actually set our defense? You couple 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:29.680 that with the shooting nights that we had, you're kind 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:35.240 of in transition on night and and and so I 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:38.440 like where our defense is. Um, I think we'll continue 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:40.600 to get better. And I think for the most part, 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:42.719 like I said, with all with all of that that 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:45.799 went on last night, we still gave up a hundred 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:49.640 and four points and granted they didn't have deep book 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:53.080 in the second half, but that's a good basketball team, 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:55.640 you know, and they just keep it rolling. And that's 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:59.159 what they did last night. Um DeAndre Aiden played really well. 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:02.760 I thought, Uh, he was extremely aggressive from the very 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:06.080 beginning of the game. Uh he continued that on throughout 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:08.719 the entire game. He had a really good game. Jay 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:12.479 Crowder had a good game struggle with hit a couple 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:14.599 of threes in the first quarter and then it was 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:16.760 in foul trouble for pretty much the rest of the half. 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:20.720 But hit some big threes in that second half last 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:23.719 night that kind of cataputed them to the win. So 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:26.400 they you know, they had a mixture guys playing well. Um, 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:30.400 Mchael Bridges defensively was an animal. I mean he was 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:35.200 incredible defensively. All the guys were really good defensively. Every 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:37.720 really good defensively as a team. But Michael Bridges, who 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:39.720 was the head of the snake for them, I thought 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:44.240 he did an incredible job defensively of just chasing stuff around, um, 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:46.800 being in passing lanes, calgging up the lane when he 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:48.839 had the opportunity. I thought he did a really good job. 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:53.360 That takes us to Friday's matchup, which I am obviously 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:55.840 excited about. Home and home. They were home. Now we 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:59.320 got the opportunity to them coming into our house. Uh, 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:01.159 you know, want to lose two in a row. So 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:03.320 you want to write the ship. Our guys also know 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:06.400 what they expect now, although I thought guys really stepped 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:09.480 up to the challenge. But you've seen this team now 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:12.760 you know what they expect. And and coming back Friday, 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:16.720 we expect a better outcome. And also and and this 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:21.800 weekend NBA news, but Warriors news, we got a chance 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:24.840 to see Clay Thompson. You know, I know everyone's seeing 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:29.200 the highlights uh flying around from him scrimmaging with Santa 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:34.720 Cruz Warriors. And man was it beautiful and exciting to 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:37.360 see him moving the way he's moving, shooting the ball 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:40.320 the way he was shooting it, but more importantly seeing 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:42.960 him happy, seeing him with a smile on his face 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:47.320 because he's getting an opportunity to again to do what 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:50.560 he loves to do, which is played basketball. If you 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:53.840 know Clay Thompson, he loves playing basketball. He loves Rocko 0:07:53.960 --> 0:08:00.520 and and now he loves his boat um. And you know, 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:02.960 we all saw him last week sitting on the bench 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:05.320 with the towel on this over his head after the 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:10.000 game and just having a moment and we all sympathize 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:13.360 with him and saying that, and like I said, and 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:16.640 seeing him back on the court this week and in 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:23.120 action and actually playing and competing. Such a beautiful thing. Uh. 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:27.080 It definitely gets us even more excited to get him 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:30.760 back into the fold, one step closer to having our 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:33.840 full team and really making a run at this thing. 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:38.280 And if, like I said, it feels good, the vibe 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:41.800 on the team feels right from from the front office 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:46.040 to the ownership group, the front office, the coaching style, players, 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:52.080 training style, video style, it just feels great. And obviously 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:54.520 winning helps winning here as all as we like to 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:57.040 say in this business. But it's it's it's a beautiful thing. 0:08:57.120 --> 0:09:02.479 So looking forward to the to the problem of incorporating 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:05.679 Clay back into the line up, you know, we obviously 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:08.360 have started off great, and that's a great problem to 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:13.719 havel incorporating a Hall of Famer in NBA champion, one 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:16.640 of the best snipers we've ever seen in NBA history, 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:19.000 one of the better two way players we've seen in 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:21.439 a long time. I can't wait to add him back 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:24.520 to the phone. And obviously, you know, as a facilitator, 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:29.520 Pastor's paradise just get better. So I am thrilled and 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:33.960 was extremely thrilled and happy, uh to see those highlights 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:36.840 as we all got a chance to see uh this weekend, 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:40.600 and just him really doing his thing and looking like 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:44.000 Clay Thompson. Obviously, I'm not expecting him to come back 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:47.360 and hit his first shots when he when he returns, 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:51.080 I am not expecting him to come back and even 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:53.720 look as great as he did the other day, although 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:56.160 that's what we witnessed, because I just don't think it's 0:09:56.200 --> 0:10:00.080 fair to put those expectations on him, uh and in 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:03.040 the road that he's had, you let him gracefully return 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:05.920 and and come into his own as his body allows. 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:09.680 And so that's what I'm looking forward to. Like I said, 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:14.320 it was beautiful and exciting to see on social media, 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:17.040 and they had obviously showed us the clips before they 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:20.160 hit social media, but it was beautiful to see. I'm 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:24.160 extremely happy for him and happy for everyone who's affected 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:28.480 by that. You know. You always hear people say come 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:31.560 up to us and say, man, I've been through some 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:33.719 tough times, but the one constant in my life is 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:36.680 the Warriors has brought happiness to my household, you know, 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:39.000 and so all the people that's been affected by that, 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:43.000 you know, and you you have great success and and 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:45.400 you do things in the community and people really draw 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:49.199 an attachment to you. And when you draw that attachment 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:53.040 and you have that attachment, Clay Thompson has done done 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:56.080 a lot for this community and love for this organization. 0:10:56.760 --> 0:10:58.880 When he goes down, you feel that, you know, and 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:02.360 so I I'm happy for everyone involved, but most importantly 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:05.840 to Clay. For Clay Um who's been the one who 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:10.040 had who's had to endure the rehab sessions, Um, the pain, 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:14.520 the surgeries, the doubt. You know, I'm extremely happy for him. 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:17.959 Couldn't be more through I'm curious about what you said, 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:21.880 how it's an interesting problem to have incorporating Clay back 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:24.400 to this roster, because assuming Clay is coming back as 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:26.760 a starter, which I feel like it's a fair assumption, 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:30.200 that means either Jordan's pool or if you guys go 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:32.920 small Cavan Looney or going to the bench, which is 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:36.360 an interesting situation to have, especially considering how well Jordan's 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:39.720 been playing. So what how does how do you anticipate 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:42.280 that working for Jordan, assuming he's the guy that's going 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:44.280 to be moved to the bench, do you participate him 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:46.080 having any trouble with that? I feel like it works 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:47.840 as him in a six man role, but it's still 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:51.000 a pretty big change. It's definitely a big change I think, 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:57.439 no matter what. And I say this with my analysts 0:11:57.800 --> 0:12:03.959 on my podcast host how On, not from my actual 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:08.480 being as the basketball players that does play for this team. 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:12.360 I say this strictly from just a basketball standpoint and 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:15.440 not having any knowledge on the situation, because it's not 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:19.240 something that we've we've spoke about myself as a leader 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:22.720 of this team with coach Kerr or with Coach Kurg, 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:24.920 just amongst the rest of the team like that. It 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:28.200 hasn't been mentioned once, and so I don't have any 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:31.360 more knowledge other than what I think could possibly happen, 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:35.000 which is what you just said. Um, does Jordan's moved 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:38.199 to the sixth man? What I do know is and 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:42.400 I don't. I don't notice because someone has told me. 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:46.160 I noticed, because I'm not an idiot. Whether George's coming 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:49.040 off the bench or or started, He's gonna play thirty 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:53.560 minutes at night, and so that's gonna remain constant regardless. 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:57.720 Does he continue to start? Um, do we go small 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:01.400 and move me to the five? And Covine moves to 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:03.720 the bench. I'm not sure what that looks like. Because 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:09.560 obviously Loon isn't scoring thirty on a given night or 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:11.760 twenty on a given night like Jordan Iss, but he 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:15.320 is extremely important to our lineup. What he does on 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:18.800 the defensive end is incredible, and what he does as 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:22.040 a screener on the offensive end is incredible. And so 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:24.960 you know, one of those guys that just always in 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:28.200 the right place, know what to do, cover for other guys, 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:33.240 just really has a thorough understanding of the game. If 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:36.240 Con was to move to the bench and then I 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:38.760 moved to the fire, that also changes our defensive line 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:41.959 ups as well, you know, And so I think there's 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:47.040 um a lot that needs to happen. I think coach 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:49.720 Kerr will definitely tinker with the lineup some because you 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:51.640 have to figure it out, right, you have to figure 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:53.760 out like what's best, like what's our best line up? 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:56.520 And by the way, you may then figure out that 0:13:56.559 --> 0:13:58.600 our best lineup, we don't want to start the game 0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:00.920 with that lineup, like they're so so many things as 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:04.120 a coach and directions that you can go. But as 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:09.160 I said, that's a good problem to have. And and 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:11.839 when I say good problem to have, it and as 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:15.640 far as incorporating Clay back into the lineup. That's because 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:21.600 the one thing that we do have his depth, and 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:25.160 we've shown that throughout the course of this year. So 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:29.680 that changes the rotations. You know, with Clay coming back, 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:33.040 it's just naturally going to change rotations. And so when 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:35.600 I say the problem of incorporating him back into the 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:39.640 lineup by all means, don't ever think it's a it's 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:41.840 a bad problem. It is a problem that we have 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:44.920 to face because now you have to change rotations. You 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:48.720 have to then figure out which lineups works with with 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:51.840 the way that you want the rotations to flow. And 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:53.960 so it's not just like, oh, you plug him back 0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:56.200 in and things are just what they were like. You 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:58.200 have to do some figuring out. And so when I 0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:00.320 say good problem, that's what I mean. It's it's like, 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:03.080 we have some things to figure out once he gets back, 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:07.680 and uh, that's the good issue. And and other news 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:13.080 around around the association, we have a brother of mine, 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:16.520 close friend, a guy who I want to go medalist with, 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:22.320 DeMarcus Boogie cousins Um signing with the Milwaukee Bucks. I 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:26.320 am extremely thrilled for him to sign with the Bucks 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:29.960 because because it's had a tough goal since the injuries, 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:34.280 and obviously that's something that none of us can forecast. Obviously, 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:39.680 that's something that we all face the risk of and playing, 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:42.720 UH and and doing what we do. And you never 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:47.440 want to see a guy go down to injuries which 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:50.720 has changed the course of his career. And but to 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:55.040 see him get another opportunity to continue to show that 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:57.680 he's still an NBA player, as I think he's shown 0:15:57.680 --> 0:16:00.200 and and he stopped that he's had over the last 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:03.360 couple of years, is that he's still an NBA player. 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:06.600 And no, he's not de Marcuts Cousins, that's still getting 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:09.400 thirty and twenty, but he's still de Marcuts Cousins that 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:11.400 can be more productive than a lot of big men 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:13.720 that are in the league. So to see him get 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:18.280 the opportunity to go to the defending champs and just 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:21.840 be the markets play his game obviously, I mean even 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:24.240 with the Clippers, you can see the growth uh and 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:28.040 him as a player, UH not getting technical files like 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:31.560 he was, not getting hung up on things that he 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:34.440 can't really change, just playing this game. And so UH 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:37.880 to see him with the opportunity with the Bucks, I'm thrilled. 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:40.960 I'm always happy for him. And Morgan and just having 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:44.000 an opportunity to continue with his career and and do 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:46.040 what he loved. We have we all have to find 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:51.520 a very finite window of time to do what we 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:54.960 love to do and playing basketball, because as we know, 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:58.280 father time is undefeated. And so to see him with 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:02.360 the opportunity to continue, you to play the game that 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:05.920 he loved, that I love, that we all love dearly, 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:16.240 it's incredible and I am as always I'm root for him. 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:20.800 I am honored today to be sharing in the pocket 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:24.040 in this podcast, in this episode with one of my 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:28.119 favorite teammates of all time, a guy who, um, you know, 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:33.560 you always hear about myself, Stephen Clay and us three 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:37.400 being together for all of those years, and often, um, 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:41.720 when I am asked about that, I often say, yeah, 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:44.480 that's three we which is true. We've all grown together, 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:47.520 We've come into ourselves together, you know, and just started 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:49.240 from the bottom and all worked our way to the 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:52.480 top together. But the one guy that I always mentioned 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:55.840 in that is the guy who who kind of showed 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:59.920 us the way, who came on and was the veteran too, 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:02.679 adding the veteran to us young guys who kind of 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:06.000 had a good thing blossom and and then we add 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:10.280 Andre and everything takes off. So I am honored to 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:14.480 have to share today with you guys, just a conversation 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:19.159 between myself, big brother of mine, Uh, the guy who 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:21.200 you know you've always heard of Draymond as the leader, 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:23.680 the guy who I turned to, um when I don't 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:27.439 know where to turn throughout this whole Andre, my brother, 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:29.760 Thank you for coming on. Man. No, I appreciate you 0:18:29.800 --> 0:18:31.760 having me man, and Uh, I'm just really proud of 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:36.000 you what you feel for yourself. And uh, it's very 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:39.600 rare that, you know, players actually build something with a 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:41.600 real foundation to it off the court. So it's a 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:44.639 beautiful thing. Even going back to our conversation about Myers 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:46.400 having to you last night, Like you know, I won't 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:48.920 say what he said, but you know that I means 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:50.840 and meant a lot to me that he was tumbable 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:53.560 with having a conversation with you. But it just shows 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:55.720 how he feels about you in terms of like your 0:18:56.640 --> 0:19:01.560 your your ability to do things, your potential outside the 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:04.760 game of basketball, which Minnesota is a BEATIFU things. I 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:09.680 appreciate that. Um, you know I am. I am excited 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:12.760 to have you on the show. Uh, for reasons that 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:15.959 I don't think most people are going to expect. Um. 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:19.480 And we'll get to that, but obviously, first, uh, we'll 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:21.840 kick it off. You know, your your first year back 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:26.320 with the Warriors after being gone for two years. Um, 0:19:26.520 --> 0:19:28.760 two year two worst years of my career might not 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:32.600 add uh, you know, but you you left, you were 0:19:32.640 --> 0:19:35.760 traded and then you signed. You didn't go to Grizzlies, 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:39.360 but then you got traded to Miami, signed the extension. 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:43.240 I went to the NBA Finals the first year. Had 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:45.359 was having a good year last year, and obviously it 0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:48.960 ended short for y'all. But now you're back. Um, what 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:52.000 brought you back to the Warriors? Man? I think it 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:55.320 was just, um, it was a really good experience, you know, 0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:58.199 seeing something on the other end of the spectrum, you know, 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:01.200 and seeing how you can have success on both sides. 0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:04.200 You know how our environment is a little bit more relaxed, 0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:06.560 you know, a little bit you know more. You know, 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:08.439 it's got some hippie vibes to it, you know, go 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:10.480 as you please at your own pace. And then Miami 0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:13.119 is kind of like, you know, straight and narrow. You know, 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:18.320 everybody in formation, and um, you know, I saw I 0:20:18.320 --> 0:20:22.160 could see weaknesses weaknesses and both because both have both 0:20:22.240 --> 0:20:24.280 had a lot of success. You know, pat Riley is 0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:27.520 probably one of the most successful you know player coaches, 0:20:27.640 --> 0:20:30.359 gems and NBA history. He's done it at every level. 0:20:30.960 --> 0:20:34.159 And um, you know, we had success here and I 0:20:34.200 --> 0:20:37.120 saw some balls here, and just being at those two places, 0:20:37.119 --> 0:20:40.000 I try to take a step back and see, you know, uh, 0:20:40.200 --> 0:20:43.760 appreciate the value and their approach on both sides. And 0:20:43.920 --> 0:20:46.040 when I was there, I saw some things we did 0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:48.320 with the Warriors that I can you know, bring to 0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:50.320 the some of the players to the team. You know, 0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:52.960 some guys may not be as mentally strong at the 0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:55.360 young age, and you know, nudge them and get them 0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:57.280 to you know, smile, open up a little bit. But 0:20:57.359 --> 0:21:00.520 then you know, coming back, you know, I didn't know 0:21:00.600 --> 0:21:02.600 my body was gonna feel as good as it did 0:21:02.720 --> 0:21:04.360 at the end of last year. You know, I thought 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:06.080 maybe that might might be it. You know, you never 0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:08.199 know when the end is coming. But I thought, you know, 0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:10.760 the body reacted better than I thought, and it would 0:21:10.760 --> 0:21:12.879 be a beautiful thing to you know, go back and 0:21:13.200 --> 0:21:15.879 play with my brothers and seeing what I saw in 0:21:15.920 --> 0:21:18.360 Miami and how I could kind of bring that out 0:21:18.359 --> 0:21:20.840 of value, and it's it's kind of like who you are, 0:21:21.000 --> 0:21:23.360 you know. It's funny. It's like, you know, you're so 0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:25.879 brash and you're like so competitive and you have that 0:21:25.920 --> 0:21:29.320 fire and you know that's the heat culture. And I 0:21:29.400 --> 0:21:31.840 was able to appreciate that even more going there, and 0:21:31.880 --> 0:21:35.040 I'm like, damn, you know, they during minds and even 0:21:35.160 --> 0:21:37.000 more valuable than I thought. And I saw a little 0:21:37.000 --> 0:21:39.480 close every day. So you know now you see me 0:21:39.520 --> 0:21:41.359 now when when you go off from people. And I 0:21:41.480 --> 0:21:44.400 was like, he got a point, Like I can't really 0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:46.040 argue with that, you know what I mean, because I've 0:21:46.040 --> 0:21:47.720 seen like there's a lot of value in that, especially 0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:50.600 in our environment with coaching powers. All the guys just 0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:54.360 played with you know and think freely and think more 0:21:54.359 --> 0:21:56.560 than themselves and sometimes I can bite you in the butt, 0:21:56.600 --> 0:21:58.160 so you gotta have to kind of have to reel 0:21:58.200 --> 0:21:59.960 it back in, but still have to give them the 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:01.879 confidence to go out there and ask you at the 0:22:01.920 --> 0:22:03.680 high level. So I just thought it was, you know, 0:22:03.800 --> 0:22:06.120 perfect time, and you know, still got some time left 0:22:06.160 --> 0:22:08.199 to come back, and why not ended, you know, with 0:22:08.240 --> 0:22:11.160 my brothers, and you know what better way it started 0:22:11.160 --> 0:22:15.040 than the way we have so far, I think I 0:22:15.160 --> 0:22:18.760 definitely see obviously we all know your experience and what 0:22:18.840 --> 0:22:23.199 you bring to the table from previous years, but I 0:22:23.280 --> 0:22:28.760 also see growth in your leadership and handling young guys, 0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:33.040 because you know, for us, at first, like when we 0:22:33.040 --> 0:22:35.360 were first going through our run, we were the young 0:22:35.440 --> 0:22:39.080 guys right like, and it was totally different than the 0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:42.280 young guys of today. But you know, I think you know, 0:22:42.320 --> 0:22:45.160 there's no secret that you know, the Warriors are kind 0:22:45.160 --> 0:22:50.639 of in this space of mixing experience and younger talent 0:22:51.200 --> 0:22:53.400 and blending the two together and trying to make both 0:22:53.800 --> 0:22:57.080 both men's meet. It is going incredible, as we know, 0:22:57.359 --> 0:23:00.800 um sitting here at eighteen and three after last nice loss, 0:23:00.800 --> 0:23:05.160 which we'll talk about, but it's going great. And I've 0:23:05.160 --> 0:23:07.520 been watching you a lot, just because I'm always trying 0:23:07.520 --> 0:23:10.840 to learn and and always observing and just trying to 0:23:10.920 --> 0:23:13.919 keep a post and understand what's going on. And just 0:23:14.000 --> 0:23:18.359 the way that you handle these young guys, it's even 0:23:18.440 --> 0:23:21.679 different than I saw you handle the Jacob Evans, you know, 0:23:22.160 --> 0:23:26.200 even different than I saw you handle the manyan ed It. 0:23:26.440 --> 0:23:29.040 You know, like it's the way you are with the 0:23:29.119 --> 0:23:32.960 guys are different, and I think it can probably be 0:23:33.040 --> 0:23:37.000 contributed to some of your dealings with Tyler Hero and 0:23:37.040 --> 0:23:40.440 having to handle him Duncan. Uh. You know, so here 0:23:40.480 --> 0:23:43.240 it is. You got Jimmy, Um, you got Bam. Who's 0:23:43.280 --> 0:23:45.600 a BAM is like deep booked to me, like they're 0:23:45.680 --> 0:23:48.840 kind of young o gs like young, but you know, 0:23:49.040 --> 0:23:53.000 experienced and understands a little more and so not quite Bam, 0:23:53.119 --> 0:23:56.000 but like Tyler and Duncan, it's more so in the 0:23:56.160 --> 0:24:00.080 in the Jordan pool uh category, you know, and and 0:24:00.240 --> 0:24:03.080 guys of that nature, and you had to lend them 0:24:03.080 --> 0:24:08.840 a little differently. Truth, I think I've learned and I've 0:24:09.400 --> 0:24:12.359 tried to learn through every experience that I had, you know, 0:24:12.440 --> 0:24:15.080 like I made some mistakes in the past, and I 0:24:15.119 --> 0:24:16.879 think that's the biggest part of it. And then I 0:24:16.920 --> 0:24:19.320 got people around me that will you know, like you know, 0:24:19.400 --> 0:24:22.040 Rudy's my man, but he'll fight out tell me, like 0:24:22.080 --> 0:24:24.080 you know, before the ship, like you're not being a 0:24:24.160 --> 0:24:25.879 leader right now, you know, supposed to this and that, 0:24:25.960 --> 0:24:28.240 and I'll accept it and then go back and say, 0:24:28.280 --> 0:24:30.360 what could I have done differently? And I think it's 0:24:30.359 --> 0:24:32.680 just helping me, you know, even with you know, our 0:24:32.760 --> 0:24:35.840 runs from you know, fourteen and nineteen fifteen and nineteen 0:24:36.359 --> 0:24:38.959 uh some things I got wrong and I would retrace 0:24:39.040 --> 0:24:41.280 my steps and say, Okay, next time that comes up, 0:24:41.359 --> 0:24:44.240 I know how to handle it. So like Jordan Poole 0:24:44.320 --> 0:24:46.840 was like one of my favorite guys, and you know 0:24:46.960 --> 0:24:51.520 he's he's an emotional player, and I was an emotional player. 0:24:51.560 --> 0:24:53.720 So sometimes I gotta place myself in his shoes. And 0:24:53.720 --> 0:24:56.440 it was like he wants to win and he trying 0:24:56.440 --> 0:24:58.280 to get his trying to get his stuff off, and 0:24:58.320 --> 0:25:00.719 you're like, sometimes you tell him something and he may 0:25:00.760 --> 0:25:03.160 not react the right way, but I have to look 0:25:03.200 --> 0:25:06.159 at myself. At two, I was reacting kind of the 0:25:06.240 --> 0:25:08.720 same way. So I took I was like, okay, put 0:25:08.720 --> 0:25:10.480 yourself in his shoes, and I think I'll try to 0:25:10.520 --> 0:25:13.280 do that more more so than any other time to 0:25:13.320 --> 0:25:15.280 seeing it from my perception and just trying to see 0:25:15.280 --> 0:25:17.320 it in his view and say, Okay, how would I 0:25:17.359 --> 0:25:20.320 want Kevin Ali, How would I want uh Aaron McKee 0:25:20.600 --> 0:25:23.520 to help me? In no situations? So patients is a 0:25:23.560 --> 0:25:26.760 big part of it. But I think over time they 0:25:26.760 --> 0:25:29.320 start understanding that you really rock with them, like no, bro, 0:25:29.480 --> 0:25:31.520 like I really love you, like you're really my man. 0:25:31.640 --> 0:25:33.880 Like for life now and then once you get past 0:25:33.920 --> 0:25:35.920 that barrier and then they're open to any type of 0:25:36.160 --> 0:25:40.200 constructive criticism. Now, yeah, it's a it's incredible. Like I said, 0:25:40.240 --> 0:25:43.000 I've been I've been watching that and just trying to 0:25:43.040 --> 0:25:45.280 pick up on it. You know. I think one one 0:25:45.320 --> 0:25:49.800 big thing for me is and Jonathan cominga who's obviously 0:25:49.840 --> 0:25:53.560 one of our young guys a seventh pit. Yes, I'm 0:25:53.600 --> 0:25:56.679 trying to take it upon myself to do all that 0:25:56.800 --> 0:25:59.879 I can to make sure he has the success that 0:26:00.040 --> 0:26:03.520 he should have. You know, you have a kid who, 0:26:03.920 --> 0:26:06.040 if I'm not mistaken, come over from the Congo at 0:26:06.080 --> 0:26:09.440 thirteen years old, you know, and his journey as well documented. 0:26:09.440 --> 0:26:11.360 So I'm not gonna sit here and go through his journey. 0:26:11.920 --> 0:26:14.439 But now at nineteen, he's in the NBA. You know, 0:26:14.560 --> 0:26:17.720 he has h probably making three and a half million 0:26:17.720 --> 0:26:21.320 dollars a year and no man, he had like five 0:26:21.720 --> 0:26:25.919 a right, making a lot of money. And I'm but 0:26:25.960 --> 0:26:30.399 I'm trying to take it up on myself too, figure 0:26:30.400 --> 0:26:33.760 out how is it that I have to lead him right? 0:26:33.800 --> 0:26:36.600 And I think one of the things for me and 0:26:36.600 --> 0:26:41.160 and that I'm figuring out with that is like Jonathan 0:26:41.240 --> 0:26:45.040 coming is not really a peer of mine. Right He's 0:26:45.320 --> 0:26:51.200 twelve years younger than me, and I'm thirty one years old. 0:26:51.240 --> 0:26:55.840 He's nineteen years old. He's not really my peer. And 0:26:55.840 --> 0:26:57.639 and one of the things that I've been trying to 0:26:57.760 --> 0:27:05.280 do is when dealing with j k Um, view him 0:27:05.320 --> 0:27:09.199 more as my child than my brother, you know, like, 0:27:09.760 --> 0:27:13.920 view him more as or a younger brother than a 0:27:14.000 --> 0:27:15.879 brother that I'm gonna hang with that I grew up 0:27:15.920 --> 0:27:19.720 with it, right, View him more in that light as 0:27:19.720 --> 0:27:22.720 opposed to the light that I would view you in. 0:27:23.000 --> 0:27:25.360 You know, So the way I may say something to you, 0:27:25.440 --> 0:27:28.120 I probably can't say that to him because I wouldn't 0:27:28.119 --> 0:27:31.840 say that after DJ, right like. And so that's something 0:27:31.960 --> 0:27:35.280 and and it's in it's a jestment for me because 0:27:36.160 --> 0:27:38.920 how I am thirty one years old now. The last 0:27:38.920 --> 0:27:46.120 two years we sucked bad and as opposed to leading 0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:48.359 guys to where they need to go in their career, 0:27:48.400 --> 0:27:50.680 you're you're just trying to teach them how to win games, 0:27:50.760 --> 0:27:54.320 like losing this miserable and you're just trying to and 0:27:54.400 --> 0:27:58.640 so there are certain things that gets lost within that. 0:27:58.760 --> 0:28:01.639 And and I'm starting to figure that out with with 0:28:01.760 --> 0:28:06.840 j k and really trying to to teach him everything 0:28:06.880 --> 0:28:10.200 that I can to see him how to success their shop. 0:28:10.280 --> 0:28:12.520 And then you have a young guy like Moses, who 0:28:12.800 --> 0:28:17.040 it's one of those old souls, right like just temperaments different, 0:28:17.240 --> 0:28:20.639 Like temperament is just like he's been in the league forever, 0:28:21.520 --> 0:28:23.800 just kind of moves around a little differently. And so 0:28:24.160 --> 0:28:27.720 the contrast is there. Um, But speaking of the young 0:28:27.760 --> 0:28:31.119 guys and our team. You you obviously sat out last night. 0:28:31.160 --> 0:28:35.359 I think you've missed the last five or six games. Um, 0:28:35.480 --> 0:28:38.320 what was your assessments. I know what my assessment was 0:28:39.000 --> 0:28:41.320 in last night's game and how much better we could 0:28:41.360 --> 0:28:43.560 have been and how much better we will be, But 0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:46.520 what was your assessment and what went wrong? And in 0:28:46.600 --> 0:28:48.760 that game? So I said it to Juan, and like 0:28:48.840 --> 0:28:51.440 the second quarter, because the second half I was getting treatment, 0:28:51.440 --> 0:28:53.000 So I was in the back watching from the team. 0:28:53.080 --> 0:28:54.800 First half, I was up there up close. I was 0:28:54.800 --> 0:28:57.600 seeing every place we were writing down, seeing the coaches. 0:28:57.640 --> 0:29:01.000 So what we were doing, you know, like the first 0:29:01.000 --> 0:29:05.320 thing I noticed was the atmosphere. And now we're getting 0:29:05.360 --> 0:29:08.640 back to the old ways of everywhere we go, the 0:29:08.800 --> 0:29:11.680 atmosphere is gonna be just like that, which was incredible. 0:29:12.040 --> 0:29:14.600 So now you get to see like every team is 0:29:14.600 --> 0:29:17.600 gonna play their best and as you know, we get 0:29:17.640 --> 0:29:21.800 everybody's best, well we are we will be the best 0:29:21.840 --> 0:29:25.320 prepared team come playoffs because we have experience. So I 0:29:25.360 --> 0:29:27.160 always at the people out of time, like yo, I 0:29:27.200 --> 0:29:29.240 like playing like we might lose more games than we 0:29:29.240 --> 0:29:32.040 should have, like maybe we have why losses and I'm like, oh, 0:29:32.120 --> 0:29:34.000 we only have fifteen left five games, so I'm like, no, 0:29:34.080 --> 0:29:36.520 we got the best to everybody every night. We are 0:29:36.520 --> 0:29:38.440 most prepared going into the playoffs. So I enjoyed that. 0:29:38.640 --> 0:29:41.280 But you also get to see what type of guys 0:29:42.600 --> 0:29:45.000 step up to the challenge, or you get to see 0:29:45.040 --> 0:29:47.320 their energy when it's a big game. And I saw 0:29:47.440 --> 0:29:51.520 Otto Porter, well he looked like he was ready, Like 0:29:51.600 --> 0:29:54.560 he got in the game first shot, pain missed the shot. 0:29:54.640 --> 0:29:56.000 He was like, I can't wait the next shot come, 0:29:56.040 --> 0:29:58.400 I ain't missing, and he just kept hitting timely shots 0:29:58.640 --> 0:30:00.840 and kept the game right within you know, a basket 0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:03.760 possession or two for us a whole night first half. 0:30:03.800 --> 0:30:05.880 I thought, you know, it was kind of like a 0:30:05.920 --> 0:30:08.880 filling out process. I like the Phoenix. I like their 0:30:09.480 --> 0:30:11.200 energy coming into the game, Like it was like a 0:30:11.640 --> 0:30:15.640 game to them, and I don't think not to say 0:30:15.680 --> 0:30:17.760 that we didn't match their energy. I felt like we 0:30:17.760 --> 0:30:20.640 did a good job of rising to that quicker than 0:30:20.680 --> 0:30:22.160 we normally have. But you know how we are, We 0:30:22.200 --> 0:30:24.600 get free flowing, and you know, we messed around to 0:30:24.600 --> 0:30:27.479 be down fifteen. We've been down twelve or more like 0:30:27.520 --> 0:30:29.320 six times this year, seven times a year and came 0:30:29.320 --> 0:30:32.160 back and one of them all. And we didn't let 0:30:32.160 --> 0:30:34.080 that happen because it's like, oh, they just like a 0:30:34.080 --> 0:30:37.040 playoff game, like the third possession, Like let's right, I said, occasion, 0:30:37.080 --> 0:30:39.320 So everybody kind of stepped it up. I think second 0:30:39.360 --> 0:30:41.800 half as we kind of let go to we kind 0:30:41.800 --> 0:30:43.560 of let it go a little bit. We start letting 0:30:43.600 --> 0:30:45.920 him get comfortable, We start letting a few guys get 0:30:45.920 --> 0:30:47.719 to their dominant hand. As I was talking about the 0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:49.600 text change morning, you we let him get to his 0:30:49.680 --> 0:30:53.400 dominant hand, and he started controlling the game the way 0:30:53.480 --> 0:30:57.080 he does everywhere he's gone, and he's, you know, the 0:30:57.160 --> 0:31:00.080 ultimate competitor and he knows how to win. And then 0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:02.240 you know, offensive rebounds skilled us in the first half. 0:31:03.000 --> 0:31:06.000 Obviously our Achilles Hills turnovers, you know, we had some 0:31:06.680 --> 0:31:09.160 we had like live ball turnovers. Like like I always 0:31:09.200 --> 0:31:12.320 say when the young guys going into the games, look, man, 0:31:12.360 --> 0:31:15.800 we have fifteen twenty. We can't lose if you just 0:31:15.880 --> 0:31:18.600 let the shot clock go to zero every possession, we 0:31:18.680 --> 0:31:21.840 still went by ten. We don't take quick, dumb shots 0:31:21.840 --> 0:31:24.560 and don't turn it over. And last night, you know, 0:31:24.640 --> 0:31:28.760 we never really got to a great look, you know 0:31:28.760 --> 0:31:30.600 what I'm saying. We did have a few, Like you 0:31:30.640 --> 0:31:32.840 had a few layups that you've been making all year, 0:31:33.840 --> 0:31:36.080 and you pushed the pace and you've been finishing them amazing, 0:31:36.080 --> 0:31:37.760 and I'm watching you practice, I'm like, damn, that's just 0:31:37.800 --> 0:31:39.520 gonna be big time. They just didn't happen for us 0:31:39.600 --> 0:31:42.120 last night. Stef just, you know, step just didn't have 0:31:42.160 --> 0:31:45.000 his normal legs. Because even he said, I saw one shot, 0:31:45.000 --> 0:31:46.640 I'm like, that's good, and it was the air ball. 0:31:46.640 --> 0:31:48.320 And then he shot another shot. He was like that's good. 0:31:48.400 --> 0:31:49.480 He was like, damn, I was the air But I 0:31:49.520 --> 0:31:52.160 thought I was making it. Have those nights in the NBA, 0:31:52.280 --> 0:31:53.520 I think we could have did it more of a 0:31:53.720 --> 0:31:56.800 split cuts. That was the key. We could have made 0:31:56.880 --> 0:31:59.360 them move a little bit different than what we've been 0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:01.760 showing them. Because as you know we had Katie, we 0:32:01.800 --> 0:32:04.200 had a cheat code. We needed to just get out 0:32:04.200 --> 0:32:06.240 of his way, you know, and that the next level 0:32:06.280 --> 0:32:08.920 for us is we get a little stagnant, we take 0:32:08.960 --> 0:32:11.959 some quick shots, were relying on jump shots. We can 0:32:12.000 --> 0:32:14.240 get to our split cuts, you know what I'm saying, 0:32:14.320 --> 0:32:16.720 Especially when Big Feller gets back, which is we're talking 0:32:16.720 --> 0:32:19.760 about the young Fellers. I can't wait to simplify his game. 0:32:21.160 --> 0:32:25.840 I think major stepping stone for for for wise Man 0:32:26.120 --> 0:32:29.239 is simplifying the game of basketball. And once you simplify it, 0:32:29.560 --> 0:32:31.720 and that's when everything else opens up instead of trying 0:32:31.720 --> 0:32:33.480 to do everything at one time. It's like a startup. 0:32:33.480 --> 0:32:35.400 You gotta focus on one little thing and grew out 0:32:35.400 --> 0:32:38.880 from there. So I told him, Juan, and the second quarter, 0:32:38.920 --> 0:32:42.560 I'm like, bro, we have so far to go, and 0:32:42.600 --> 0:32:46.720 we're still like we're still one of the best team's 0:32:46.760 --> 0:32:49.280 top two three teams in the league. Like it's scary, 0:32:49.320 --> 0:32:52.360 but it's not given, Like we gotta go get it. 0:32:52.440 --> 0:32:57.520 So I'm not I think, you know, like you said 0:32:57.720 --> 0:33:00.360 in that game, I probably I'm not sure who was 0:33:00.400 --> 0:33:03.800 worse Stuff Stuff or myself. We were both pretty bad. 0:33:04.360 --> 0:33:06.760 Wiggins probably being a little better than than us two 0:33:06.800 --> 0:33:12.000 were and yet with two minutes and forty seconds left, 0:33:12.600 --> 0:33:14.240 I got a left hand lay up to cut the 0:33:14.280 --> 0:33:19.080 league to one. Ye um, so I like where we are. Also, like, 0:33:19.080 --> 0:33:22.320 like you said, I love the way that guys rose 0:33:22.440 --> 0:33:25.160 to the occasion because I'm not gonna play that bad. 0:33:25.440 --> 0:33:27.920 Stuff is not gonna play that bad. Wiggs is not 0:33:27.960 --> 0:33:31.840 gonna play that bad. When Jordan Poole came out hitting 0:33:31.880 --> 0:33:34.840 shots like he was hitting shots, I kept saying, literally, 0:33:34.880 --> 0:33:40.120 every shot here, show up yond fella. Yep ye You're like, yeah, 0:33:40.160 --> 0:33:43.880 show up yond fella yea yeah, and he just at 0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:45.560 the game come to him like he didn't take any 0:33:46.280 --> 0:33:48.160 He might have had one shot where we're like they're 0:33:48.160 --> 0:33:50.840 going at George pool shot, but he was like one point, 0:33:50.880 --> 0:33:52.400 he got to the fine line. That's what I've been 0:33:52.440 --> 0:33:54.840 on him about this whole years, like, yo, when you're 0:33:54.840 --> 0:33:57.400 making shots, you should get the lines. You should have 0:33:57.440 --> 0:33:59.720 six free through attempts because you making shots there on you. 0:33:59.800 --> 0:34:02.080 And he was just very patient. One time was three 0:34:02.080 --> 0:34:04.760 seconds on the clocky punk fake that it got passed him, 0:34:04.960 --> 0:34:07.240 took a breath shot it right before the buzz, and 0:34:07.240 --> 0:34:08.920 I'm like, normally he would have rushed and I'm like, yo, 0:34:08.960 --> 0:34:12.080 I'm just seeing growth and more growth came in and 0:34:12.160 --> 0:34:15.760 hit it big three. We got like, that's one issue 0:34:15.800 --> 0:34:17.880 we have that's not an issue, is just our depth. 0:34:17.960 --> 0:34:19.960 And then that's something that Being says as well. So 0:34:20.280 --> 0:34:22.479 it'll be interesting to see how you know, we match 0:34:22.560 --> 0:34:26.440 up coming. Yeah, that was that's great. And as I 0:34:26.480 --> 0:34:29.560 said before, are you coming on this show? That was? 0:34:29.640 --> 0:34:33.560 That was part of me that wants to hear even 0:34:35.080 --> 0:34:38.759 or wants to hear more of this than basketball, and 0:34:38.840 --> 0:34:44.120 that is Andre. Uh. Basketball is like his halfday job, 0:34:44.840 --> 0:34:49.120 but he's a frenually capitalist and probably spends more time 0:34:49.200 --> 0:34:53.160 on that today than basketball, just for the simple fact um. 0:34:53.200 --> 0:34:56.239 When you look at managing your body right like not 0:34:56.480 --> 0:34:58.600 you're not on the court all day every day like 0:34:58.680 --> 0:35:01.520 you were when you were twenty four years old. Uh, 0:35:01.560 --> 0:35:03.960 you're You're more precise than and what you do. Okay, 0:35:03.960 --> 0:35:06.720 I'm getting on the court. I'm going hard for one hour. 0:35:07.160 --> 0:35:09.080 That's it. You know, I'm making my lift, I'm doing 0:35:09.120 --> 0:35:12.799 my body work. But when you're a venture capitalist, when 0:35:12.840 --> 0:35:15.280 you when and as the way that you are moving 0:35:15.280 --> 0:35:17.440 in that space, like that's a twenty four hour thing. 0:35:17.560 --> 0:35:20.120 You know, like you're seeing an emails if you're awake 0:35:20.200 --> 0:35:24.160 at one am, like and that doesn't stop. But I 0:35:24.280 --> 0:35:26.480 have learned, but had the opportunity to learn a ton 0:35:26.560 --> 0:35:29.520 from you and watch all the moves that you're making 0:35:30.280 --> 0:35:33.200 um in that space, and I think it's incredible. But 0:35:33.320 --> 0:35:35.040 one of the things that I really wanted you to 0:35:35.120 --> 0:35:39.320 come on and and educate me on, and not only myself, 0:35:39.360 --> 0:35:43.160 but our audience as well's you've gotten really deep into 0:35:43.200 --> 0:35:46.120 the n f T s uh space. Tell us more 0:35:46.200 --> 0:35:49.760 about that, Explain n f T S for our audience 0:35:49.800 --> 0:35:51.880 that don't know what an n f T is. And 0:35:51.920 --> 0:35:54.200 then also just tell me more about you in that 0:35:54.320 --> 0:35:57.920 space and what it is that you see going forward 0:35:57.960 --> 0:36:01.399 and why you're so interested into the space and how 0:36:01.440 --> 0:36:03.880 long have you been at it? So I mean to 0:36:03.920 --> 0:36:06.360 try to break it down, you know, as quickly as possible, 0:36:06.360 --> 0:36:08.440 because it's a rabbit hole and I'm in Discords. I 0:36:08.480 --> 0:36:11.920 was on Discord the day forty five minutes. People like, yo, 0:36:11.960 --> 0:36:14.080 you're really in here. I'm like, yeah, I'm studying. So 0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:16.160 n f T is, you know, non funcible token, so 0:36:16.560 --> 0:36:20.400 essentially think of as a digital collectible, you know, like 0:36:20.440 --> 0:36:22.799 we collect so many things, you know, I tell people 0:36:22.920 --> 0:36:26.440 the time, like Warren Buffett is one of the wealthiest 0:36:26.440 --> 0:36:30.600 people on earth because he started collecting stamps and coins 0:36:30.640 --> 0:36:32.520 at like age four or five. Like he had a 0:36:32.560 --> 0:36:36.319 passion for collecting coins, which is currency. So just like 0:36:36.360 --> 0:36:39.880 we enjoyed immersing ourselves in the game of basketball and 0:36:39.920 --> 0:36:42.560 studying basketball, he's studying money. And then he had a 0:36:43.360 --> 0:36:46.359 who traded on the on the stockroom floor, and then 0:36:46.360 --> 0:36:48.920 his popsters in politics and you know, with policy and 0:36:49.040 --> 0:36:51.120 how money moves, taxes, all those things like that was 0:36:51.160 --> 0:36:52.880 his world. So it was no surprise that he just 0:36:53.320 --> 0:36:56.880 he just accumulated a lot of wealth. So we accumulate 0:36:57.160 --> 0:37:00.320 different things in different worlds. You know, how did ebase start? 0:37:00.400 --> 0:37:03.239 eBay started with collecting beanie babies, you know what I mean? 0:37:03.360 --> 0:37:07.040 And Amazon started with people who were just lovers of books. 0:37:07.840 --> 0:37:11.360 They were able to scale those uh platforms out until 0:37:11.440 --> 0:37:13.839 you know, some of the the e commerce we talked 0:37:13.840 --> 0:37:15.920 about today is you know, everybody's going into the e 0:37:15.920 --> 0:37:19.800 commerce space and from from different away. So n f 0:37:19.840 --> 0:37:22.000 T s a similar in terms of you know, you're 0:37:22.000 --> 0:37:24.839 collecting things digitally. So it started our NBA top shot. 0:37:25.920 --> 0:37:28.520 I got a call from I forgot who it was, uh, 0:37:28.600 --> 0:37:31.080 you know, it's interesting company. That's just great founder who 0:37:31.120 --> 0:37:34.319 has a great track record of starting up companies in 0:37:34.320 --> 0:37:38.120 this manner and obviously like JaVale McGee, gotta give him 0:37:38.120 --> 0:37:40.120 a lot of credit. You know, people know him as 0:37:40.200 --> 0:37:43.520 JaVale McGee, but as you know, like this dude is 0:37:43.520 --> 0:37:45.759 one of the high Q guys on the planet, not 0:37:45.840 --> 0:37:48.279 just in the NBA, but just smart. So he was 0:37:48.280 --> 0:37:51.120 talking about super smart. Big Cooin was like nine eight, 0:37:51.239 --> 0:37:53.160 nine thousand, and he was like, Yo, it's gonna get 0:37:53.160 --> 0:37:55.319 to fifteen. Get some bitcoin, and I'm like, I ain't 0:37:55.360 --> 0:37:56.960 really ready to get you know, the things just got 0:37:56.960 --> 0:37:59.360 to six six five. You know this past summer, we 0:37:59.400 --> 0:38:02.160 all know what's happening. But you know, when you talk 0:38:02.200 --> 0:38:06.480 about cryptocurrencies and the blockchain and how that whole space 0:38:06.520 --> 0:38:09.680 works with the ledger, which is your receipts, everything's works 0:38:09.680 --> 0:38:14.160 more efficiently, everything is more accountable. You know. Uh, they 0:38:14.200 --> 0:38:17.080 figured out that they were starting the financial sector in 0:38:17.200 --> 0:38:20.279 terms of introducing the blockchain because they knew if they 0:38:20.280 --> 0:38:22.919 can get the finance side right, everything else will follow 0:38:22.960 --> 0:38:24.680 behind it. It's just like the based out with beanie 0:38:24.680 --> 0:38:26.600 babies and everything came behind it. So that's just this 0:38:27.080 --> 0:38:31.359 entreated market and uh NBA top Shot obviously was big 0:38:31.440 --> 0:38:34.000 for that, not just NBA before in a T space 0:38:34.040 --> 0:38:37.200 because people were very excited to start, you know, collecting moments. 0:38:37.239 --> 0:38:39.040 This is like a trading car. So people was like, well, 0:38:39.120 --> 0:38:42.520 I can just go uh screenshot of image on my phone. 0:38:43.120 --> 0:38:45.160 What's the difference And I'm like, yeah, you can print 0:38:45.800 --> 0:38:48.319 a picture off your printer. That don't mean you own 0:38:48.400 --> 0:38:51.560 the actual trading card, you know, and it shows who 0:38:51.680 --> 0:38:54.920 owns it on the ledger, so there's actually a rece 0:38:55.160 --> 0:38:57.440 say I own this. So there's many different things you 0:38:57.520 --> 0:39:00.600 can do with owning a digital asset. You know, one 0:39:00.680 --> 0:39:04.560 thing that artists, um, they make more money in the 0:39:04.680 --> 0:39:06.480 n f T space than painting a picture. You know, 0:39:06.600 --> 0:39:10.360 Picasso paints a picture, sells it one time, and you know, 0:39:10.480 --> 0:39:14.480 most artists don't make money while they're alive. They sell 0:39:14.520 --> 0:39:16.200 that picture one time and that's the only time they 0:39:16.280 --> 0:39:18.000 make money off of it. Or actually n f T 0:39:18.239 --> 0:39:23.520 s uh there's a six percent uh fee every time 0:39:23.600 --> 0:39:25.840 it's being moved the soul, so the artist gets paid 0:39:26.040 --> 0:39:28.120 even though they don't own that picture throughout its course 0:39:28.200 --> 0:39:30.040 of its life. And then you know Obviously you've got 0:39:30.160 --> 0:39:32.839 trust which goes into dolls, which is a whole another 0:39:32.960 --> 0:39:35.560 Rabbi hole on the block on the on the ledger 0:39:35.560 --> 0:39:38.000 and the block chain space. Uh be'st key too. You 0:39:38.040 --> 0:39:40.320 know you've got a few like Spencer Denwoody is just 0:39:40.400 --> 0:39:42.800 amazing when he speaks on it. He's heavily into the 0:39:43.040 --> 0:39:45.719 h He wanted to get paid in Uh. He wanted 0:39:45.719 --> 0:39:50.239 his whole NBA contract in a crypto, which technically can't 0:39:50.239 --> 0:39:51.640 you can't do, but there's a way to do it. 0:39:51.680 --> 0:39:53.759 You know, I'm working on something right now where I 0:39:53.840 --> 0:39:59.040 could be compensated uh through bitcoin. So um, you see 0:39:59.040 --> 0:40:01.480 how far I digress because it's so immersive. But the 0:40:01.600 --> 0:40:04.200 n f T space right now, Uh, there's a lot 0:40:04.239 --> 0:40:07.280 of digital images. It's a lot of Uh. It's almost 0:40:07.280 --> 0:40:09.360 like a secret society. You look at board of yacht clubs, 0:40:09.400 --> 0:40:11.000 It's like, why would I buy a picture of a 0:40:11.080 --> 0:40:16.120 gorilla for five dollars? And it's almost like its own 0:40:16.200 --> 0:40:19.160 secret society where you get access to a certain club 0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:23.640 in Miami, l a New York Like you gotta have this. 0:40:23.840 --> 0:40:25.800 Your phone is your is your wallet, and it shows 0:40:25.880 --> 0:40:27.759 you own it and it shows up on leiguer like 0:40:27.800 --> 0:40:30.440 I get access to this party, or I get access 0:40:30.520 --> 0:40:33.040 to all the merch first. You know, it's like a 0:40:33.160 --> 0:40:35.759 pair of Jordan's. You know, they make ten thousand pairs 0:40:35.800 --> 0:40:38.080 of Jordan's, and you know it's sponds of fifty million 0:40:38.120 --> 0:40:41.399 people in America and fifty million sneaker heads. It's only 0:40:41.480 --> 0:40:43.839 ten thousand shoes. So people buy them up and then 0:40:43.920 --> 0:40:47.040 they resell them because it's it's just the hot commodity 0:40:47.120 --> 0:40:48.799 to have. It's the same thing. It's just a pair 0:40:48.840 --> 0:40:50.759 of shoes, you know what I mean. It's gonna wear 0:40:50.800 --> 0:40:52.799 out what you're gonna do just leaving there. You can't 0:40:52.840 --> 0:40:54.400 wear them. They lose the value of same thing with it. 0:40:54.920 --> 0:40:58.399 You know, people like collecting uh, digital photos that other 0:40:58.440 --> 0:41:01.239 people don't have the kind of shows or socio economic 0:41:01.600 --> 0:41:05.640 status with with with with within the economy or within 0:41:05.800 --> 0:41:07.520 our our worlds we live in. And that's what it's 0:41:07.560 --> 0:41:10.360 efasically gonna go to. Where you're talking about the metaverse, 0:41:10.760 --> 0:41:12.799 we're just talking about way at three point, where we're 0:41:12.800 --> 0:41:14.960 all going to exist in this virtual world and we're 0:41:14.960 --> 0:41:17.640 gonna express ourselves through our avatar. So your avatar is 0:41:17.680 --> 0:41:20.719 going to be like you know, the person that people see. 0:41:21.040 --> 0:41:25.279 You know, we're gonna can surely start pacing each other 0:41:26.000 --> 0:41:28.160 and then just coming back in small groups. But we're 0:41:28.160 --> 0:41:31.440 all going to Like Microsoft is big on the workspace metaverse, 0:41:31.480 --> 0:41:32.800 where you can work from home but you put the 0:41:32.840 --> 0:41:35.000 headset on, but you see your co workers working in 0:41:35.080 --> 0:41:37.759 real time and your surroundings look a little different. It's 0:41:37.800 --> 0:41:41.040 not home because you know there's that layer that thinks 0:41:41.040 --> 0:41:44.319 you're at work. And then um, Facebook, which is called 0:41:44.360 --> 0:41:47.000 meta now they just put up They spent like ten 0:41:47.080 --> 0:41:50.160 billion this year already in the space, which tells you 0:41:50.239 --> 0:41:52.040 everything you need to know. You know, when when these 0:41:52.120 --> 0:41:55.000 large companies start pumping out billions of dollars into a space, 0:41:55.120 --> 0:41:57.160 you know, it's it's like the innovatives dilemma, but it's 0:41:57.200 --> 0:41:59.520 not because they know what was coming and they disrupted 0:41:59.560 --> 0:42:02.000 so manyfferent things. They know something's going to come after them, 0:42:02.040 --> 0:42:03.680 so they got to be ready for hit some and 0:42:04.080 --> 0:42:07.840 you know, uh, Square just changed this name Jack Dorsey, 0:42:08.000 --> 0:42:10.320 you know, he was CEO of Twitter and Square he 0:42:10.400 --> 0:42:12.319 just changed the name of Square, which is larger spent 0:42:12.400 --> 0:42:14.480 one of the largest fintech companies in the world to block, 0:42:14.640 --> 0:42:18.480 which is you know, so it's just moving so crazy 0:42:18.560 --> 0:42:20.120 and we're just trying to stay ahead of it, and 0:42:20.280 --> 0:42:24.120 uh it's exciting, you know, Uh it's a laughing I'll say. 0:42:24.239 --> 0:42:26.880 You know started with web point oh, which was you know, 0:42:27.000 --> 0:42:33.320 platforms creating and publishing and uh monetizing and owning everything, 0:42:33.440 --> 0:42:35.520 and then web two point over where in right now 0:42:35.640 --> 0:42:38.720 you see creators creating everything, you know, but we create 0:42:38.800 --> 0:42:41.080 content and where does it go? It goes to Facebook, 0:42:41.080 --> 0:42:43.360 it goes to Instagram, it goes to TikTok, and we 0:42:43.440 --> 0:42:46.719 don't participate in that and that value at the same 0:42:46.760 --> 0:42:48.919 way you know the Warriors of work for a fifty 0:42:48.960 --> 0:42:51.279 million when when steps there and when you get there 0:42:51.320 --> 0:42:53.680 when clays they're not worth five billion, but if there's 0:42:53.680 --> 0:42:56.919 a sale, do we participate in the accumulation of value? 0:42:56.920 --> 0:42:59.080 In sl zero? Right, So there's no ownership. So what 0:42:59.200 --> 0:43:03.440 free points about creators creating and creators uh having you 0:43:03.520 --> 0:43:07.160 know they actually own you know, everything that exists that 0:43:07.200 --> 0:43:10.000 they're creating, which is we've never seen before. So we're 0:43:10.000 --> 0:43:12.440 in exciting times. And uh it's just for us to 0:43:13.120 --> 0:43:16.520 try to continue to spread the knowledge because obviously African 0:43:16.560 --> 0:43:19.440 Americans we always the last one to get access to anything, 0:43:19.520 --> 0:43:21.680 and then we're always you know, the system is set 0:43:21.760 --> 0:43:24.440 up for us to you know, be at the bottom 0:43:24.480 --> 0:43:27.440 of the totem pole because you know, you have to 0:43:27.560 --> 0:43:29.640 have cheap labor, and we've always been the ones to 0:43:29.680 --> 0:43:32.719 have cheap labor. So part of me being excited is 0:43:32.760 --> 0:43:36.080 to take all this information, put it together, package it 0:43:36.160 --> 0:43:38.400 the right way, and give it back to our community 0:43:38.440 --> 0:43:39.680 so we can own it and we can learn it 0:43:39.719 --> 0:43:42.160 and we can start having leadership. You know, we can 0:43:42.239 --> 0:43:44.760 be the you know, the coach, the GM, the owner. 0:43:45.040 --> 0:43:48.000 And when you're when you're in those positions of power, 0:43:48.040 --> 0:43:50.320 I guess you can call it, but you start hiring 0:43:50.800 --> 0:43:53.000 and identifying who is good that you know because you 0:43:53.120 --> 0:43:55.600 hire who you know when you're hiring what you're comfortable with. 0:43:55.760 --> 0:43:58.120 And that's why we've never been a position to being 0:43:58.200 --> 0:44:02.160 those job titles that can bring more people that look like, 0:44:02.440 --> 0:44:06.360 you know, the manager. So I I so I know nothing, 0:44:07.080 --> 0:44:11.560 I don't own any n where do I start? Uh? Okay, 0:44:11.640 --> 0:44:15.359 it's like the easiest way you need to do. It's 0:44:15.400 --> 0:44:18.560 really three things. You know, get a coin based account. Um, 0:44:20.120 --> 0:44:23.360 what's the word I'm looking for? Uh? I have to 0:44:24.680 --> 0:44:27.000 let everyone know that I am investor in coin base, right, 0:44:27.040 --> 0:44:29.160 So but you get a coin based account. There's other 0:44:29.200 --> 0:44:31.080 places I think f t X which just did it 0:44:31.200 --> 0:44:33.320 was still with step, but you know coin based account. 0:44:33.680 --> 0:44:36.000 Then you get a metal mask account, so coin bases 0:44:36.040 --> 0:44:38.680 where you buy your crypto, which you know, all n 0:44:38.760 --> 0:44:42.200 f t s not all majority runoff ethereum, right, and 0:44:42.239 --> 0:44:44.640 then there's a lot of base there's test those based, 0:44:44.760 --> 0:44:47.360 but for the most part it's ethereum. So you go 0:44:47.440 --> 0:44:50.080 to coin base and then you link your bank account 0:44:50.400 --> 0:44:52.640 and then you put every much money you want to 0:44:52.760 --> 0:44:55.520 get a theory um. Then you get a metal mask 0:44:55.640 --> 0:44:57.840 which is a wallet, so it's like a digital wallet 0:44:58.080 --> 0:45:01.000 that basically you can buy n f T s. So 0:45:01.120 --> 0:45:03.000 you need the meta masks or there's other digital waters 0:45:03.040 --> 0:45:05.280 as well, but I use meta masks, not investor metal masks. 0:45:05.520 --> 0:45:07.359 But once you have met a mask, you're gonna open See. 0:45:08.040 --> 0:45:10.120 Coin Base has an n f T platform and it's 0:45:10.160 --> 0:45:12.560 a test pilot right now. But for the most part 0:45:12.640 --> 0:45:15.560 open Sea that is where people go where all the 0:45:15.719 --> 0:45:19.319 n f T s are listed and uh, you use 0:45:19.520 --> 0:45:23.759 meta masks to buy from open See, and you also 0:45:23.880 --> 0:45:26.759 need discord as well. Discord is when you see a 0:45:26.840 --> 0:45:30.279 project that you like. You go to Discord, you go 0:45:30.400 --> 0:45:33.239 to that project chat room and you talk to the 0:45:33.320 --> 0:45:35.960 community and you can kind of get a good field 0:45:36.000 --> 0:45:37.680 for projects gonna do well or not because you have 0:45:37.760 --> 0:45:41.800 authentic people having conversations about all right, what makes this 0:45:41.960 --> 0:45:44.919 n f T valuable? Is it a money grab They're 0:45:44.960 --> 0:45:47.000 just trying to sell something real quick and get out. 0:45:47.000 --> 0:45:49.279 It's a bunch of those. Or is there a role map? 0:45:49.560 --> 0:45:51.840 Is there a utility here saying when I have this 0:45:52.680 --> 0:45:56.719 digital asset, what comes with it? You know? Do I 0:45:56.800 --> 0:45:58.520 get access to this, do I get access to that? 0:45:58.600 --> 0:46:00.560 Am I able to meet this person? To meet able 0:46:00.600 --> 0:46:02.160 to meet that person? And then you see a lot 0:46:02.160 --> 0:46:04.600 of celebrities that are in and out, so you just 0:46:04.680 --> 0:46:06.840 gotta be careful. So you still gotta be your homework. 0:46:06.960 --> 0:46:10.440 Is just like investing in you know, a company that 0:46:10.560 --> 0:46:12.600 they may not be as well known, and you just 0:46:12.640 --> 0:46:14.799 got to track it and see what they're doing every quarter. 0:46:14.920 --> 0:46:17.320 So you just you just those four things help you 0:46:17.600 --> 0:46:24.799 Coin based meta masks, Open Sea, and Discord. It's interesting, UM, 0:46:25.000 --> 0:46:28.799 I appreciate you sharing that knowledge because it's, like you said, 0:46:28.840 --> 0:46:31.400 I think it's very important. You know, when you speak 0:46:31.440 --> 0:46:36.880 on Javl McGee and bitcoin. I appreciate you saying that 0:46:36.960 --> 0:46:40.160 about javel because he is probably one of the most 0:46:40.320 --> 0:46:45.719 misunderstood people in the NBA because of the javel McGee, um, 0:46:46.800 --> 0:46:48.600 you know, and all of those things. People think Javelle 0:46:48.640 --> 0:46:51.440 McGee is dumb, right, And like you said, he is 0:46:51.560 --> 0:46:55.480 probably one of the top five smartest guys in the NBA. 0:46:56.400 --> 0:46:58.640 Uh and top five maybe selling them short, you know, 0:46:58.719 --> 0:47:01.640 it's just you know, I mean, Javelle McGee is like 0:47:02.280 --> 0:47:06.120 one of those people that he's so smart sometimes it 0:47:06.239 --> 0:47:09.440 can fly by you or it's hard to understand him 0:47:09.560 --> 0:47:13.319 because he's so smart and so uh. I have an 0:47:13.320 --> 0:47:16.720 appreciation for that. But speaking of bitcoin, I remember shamaf 0:47:16.800 --> 0:47:21.239 told me years ago that bitcoin probably had to be 0:47:21.600 --> 0:47:24.560 worth three four a bitcoin. He said, take one percent 0:47:24.640 --> 0:47:27.239 of your network. This had to be eight seven, eight 0:47:27.320 --> 0:47:30.440 years ago. Take one percent of your network and put 0:47:30.480 --> 0:47:35.040 it into bitcoin. Yep, like bitcoin, what is that? Right? 0:47:35.080 --> 0:47:37.160 And he starts breaking down to me what bitcoin is. 0:47:38.040 --> 0:47:40.400 And at the time, I didn't really have any money, 0:47:41.120 --> 0:47:44.600 so I couldn't even process was putting one percent of 0:47:44.719 --> 0:47:48.719 the little money that I did have into anything, right, Like, No, 0:47:48.880 --> 0:47:51.880 I don't have any money to put into that. I 0:47:51.920 --> 0:47:55.239 should have put it in there, but I didn't. But nonetheless, uh, 0:47:55.520 --> 0:47:57.239 you know, it is what it is, and you live 0:47:57.280 --> 0:48:00.480 and you learn, um and and that kind of where 0:48:00.520 --> 0:48:03.600 I am in the space is just continue to learn um, 0:48:04.000 --> 0:48:05.879 you know, trying to get more active in the space, 0:48:06.000 --> 0:48:09.600 but also I want to thoroughly understand it before I 0:48:09.719 --> 0:48:12.080 just get super active into it, you know. And so 0:48:13.040 --> 0:48:15.160 that's that's what I've been trying to do. I was, 0:48:15.440 --> 0:48:18.960 But the funny thing is the best thing that happened 0:48:18.960 --> 0:48:20.840 to me is my account guy had I got robbed. 0:48:21.600 --> 0:48:24.279 Like it's funny that it happened like that. But so 0:48:25.480 --> 0:48:29.200 if you click, like, uh, warning for everybody, don't click 0:48:29.239 --> 0:48:32.040 on anything in discord, Like, don't click anything like in 0:48:32.239 --> 0:48:34.680 terms of like links. Right. So I'm just trying to learn, 0:48:34.760 --> 0:48:36.759 you know, how we are like we we know how 0:48:36.800 --> 0:48:40.000 to work hard. We're watching hours and hours of films, 0:48:40.040 --> 0:48:42.120 so it's nothing to us to study. Like it's easy 0:48:42.160 --> 0:48:44.160 for us to pick up on stuff. That's why people say, like, 0:48:44.239 --> 0:48:46.760 you know, like athletes, we can transition to different places 0:48:46.760 --> 0:48:49.320 because like we just learned how to work hard and 0:48:49.800 --> 0:48:53.440 you know, uh obtain information. So I'm just learning clicking 0:48:53.480 --> 0:48:55.840 on stuff, and I clicked on the wrong thing. Somebody 0:48:56.239 --> 0:48:57.800 you know, got access to my account and then I 0:48:57.880 --> 0:49:01.640 accidentally screenshot my passwords to my wallet and then they 0:49:01.719 --> 0:49:04.520 go into my cloud. Got that to boom, take my stuff. 0:49:04.640 --> 0:49:08.880 Right But that right there, I didn't losing, but I 0:49:08.960 --> 0:49:11.239 talked to somebody in the community. Community showed up for 0:49:11.320 --> 0:49:12.920 me and showed me how to get everything back. I 0:49:12.960 --> 0:49:15.319 would get everything back to square whatever I still lost. 0:49:15.400 --> 0:49:17.480 But he was like, thinking about it as you just 0:49:17.560 --> 0:49:20.440 went to school and you just got your degree and 0:49:20.600 --> 0:49:22.360 n F T S. And I was like, wow, because 0:49:22.440 --> 0:49:24.520 now I'm able to teach other people do this, do that, 0:49:24.920 --> 0:49:26.759 move like this, move like that, all right, watch out 0:49:26.760 --> 0:49:28.279 for this, watch out for that. Even with like some 0:49:28.360 --> 0:49:29.920 of the projects that aren't that good. I got some 0:49:29.960 --> 0:49:31.799 projects that's like I wouldn't did that if I could 0:49:31.840 --> 0:49:33.400 have do it again. But now I just give it 0:49:33.800 --> 0:49:36.279 the same information to other people. So I say the 0:49:36.320 --> 0:49:38.759 best thing to do is just buy one thing and 0:49:38.960 --> 0:49:41.920 just like watch it. That experience alone will teach you 0:49:42.040 --> 0:49:44.680 so much. Then you know one person can tell you Yeah, 0:49:45.440 --> 0:49:49.400 I appreciate it, man, And and I think for me, um, 0:49:50.640 --> 0:49:53.560 when when you first came out here, uh, and you 0:49:53.680 --> 0:49:57.280 came to go to State Warriors. I remember like everything 0:49:57.360 --> 0:49:59.200 that she was talking about, like a lot of text splace. 0:49:59.239 --> 0:50:01.560 I want to do this of space and to see 0:50:01.600 --> 0:50:04.960 where you've actually grown in that space. It's like incredible, 0:50:05.040 --> 0:50:09.160 Like you're well respected in that space, You're well known 0:50:09.239 --> 0:50:14.600 in that space, and you you've had some some investments 0:50:14.640 --> 0:50:20.319 that's performed, written several unicorns that's performed really well. Um 0:50:20.440 --> 0:50:23.399 as you now now you're you know, in the last 0:50:23.440 --> 0:50:26.279 couple of years of your career. Uh, from just even 0:50:26.360 --> 0:50:29.160 listening to you saying maybe last year was it, you know, 0:50:29.400 --> 0:50:31.480 in the last couple of years of your career winding 0:50:31.560 --> 0:50:36.279 down obviously venture it's probably what's next for you, But 0:50:36.360 --> 0:50:39.000 what what does that look like for you moving forward? Yeah, 0:50:39.080 --> 0:50:42.440 it's really exciting, you know, I think, you know, without 0:50:42.440 --> 0:50:46.000 given too much that hasn't been announced at like everything's 0:50:46.760 --> 0:50:49.160 you know, sort of coming to fruition. And I had 0:50:49.160 --> 0:50:52.560 a really good conversation with one of my favorite, uh 0:50:53.520 --> 0:50:55.840 private equity guys. He's not really a venture capitalist, but 0:50:55.880 --> 0:50:57.960 a private equity guy, and I don't want to put 0:50:58.040 --> 0:51:01.520 his name out there, like he enjoys being anonymous. You know, 0:51:02.040 --> 0:51:04.000 like we want to be like them, and most of 0:51:04.040 --> 0:51:05.480 them want to be like us. But he's the one 0:51:05.480 --> 0:51:08.000 who enjoys. No one knows his name. And he was like, listen, 0:51:08.440 --> 0:51:10.520 you gotta take and I think all basketball players should 0:51:10.520 --> 0:51:14.480 do this. Like we we had so much success and 0:51:14.760 --> 0:51:16.479 like we were just like all right, where's the next 0:51:16.920 --> 0:51:19.680 where's the next mountain of client? And we free to 0:51:20.080 --> 0:51:22.520 give ourselves flowers, you know, that's the cultural thing to say, 0:51:22.600 --> 0:51:24.480 like give the flowers while they're still here. And it's 0:51:24.480 --> 0:51:27.680 like we forget to basking our own success, Like we 0:51:27.840 --> 0:51:31.600 let so many voices outside the game not let us 0:51:31.719 --> 0:51:34.840 enjoy the success we had, like let's keep it a hunted, 0:51:34.960 --> 0:51:37.879 like you remember, like we remember really where we came from, 0:51:38.000 --> 0:51:39.920 Like that room I lived in when I was in 0:51:40.040 --> 0:51:42.120 like second grade, Like I can't even walk in there 0:51:42.200 --> 0:51:45.480 right now. I'm like I gotta crazy, Like how you 0:51:45.520 --> 0:51:48.279 grow up like that? Right? Like mush, A whole lot 0:51:48.320 --> 0:51:50.080 of the African American men, like the odds are already 0:51:50.080 --> 0:51:52.920 stacked up against us, like we beat the life expectacy already, 0:51:52.960 --> 0:51:56.120 Like no one even says that. So he said that, like, yo, 0:51:56.480 --> 0:51:59.319 where you came from six years ago? In the text 0:51:59.320 --> 0:52:01.839 space to where you are now, Like no one would 0:52:01.880 --> 0:52:03.840 have predicted that. Like you came a long way already, 0:52:04.040 --> 0:52:06.440 and you're so focused on the goal and you think 0:52:06.480 --> 0:52:07.840 you got so far to go, and it's like, no, 0:52:08.000 --> 0:52:10.480 you came along way. You got to start enjoying that, 0:52:10.640 --> 0:52:13.279 embracing it. So I tried to do that. But at 0:52:13.320 --> 0:52:16.240 the same time, like we're just wired to keep competing, 0:52:16.360 --> 0:52:19.399 and we're wired wired. It's just like what's next, what's next? 0:52:19.440 --> 0:52:22.759 Like trying to get somewhere where you know, nobody thought 0:52:22.800 --> 0:52:24.840 we can go where they at. You know, they like 0:52:25.120 --> 0:52:26.880 we can get to the NBA, But how many of 0:52:27.000 --> 0:52:29.560 us are our owners or how many of us you know, 0:52:29.600 --> 0:52:32.480 I've accumulated this much amount of wealth because it's not 0:52:32.600 --> 0:52:34.640 about how much money I got in the bank, but 0:52:34.840 --> 0:52:37.920 it is because this much money, amount of money in 0:52:37.960 --> 0:52:41.200 the bank's real change to my community, because it's like 0:52:43.239 --> 0:52:46.520 a hundred thousand there. We call them band aids over 0:52:46.600 --> 0:52:49.120 bullet wounds, like they really don't fix the problems. But 0:52:49.160 --> 0:52:52.960 when you start talking about mdowments, putting the right infrastructure 0:52:53.000 --> 0:52:54.440 in place to where you never have to touch the 0:52:54.480 --> 0:52:57.600 money and you can run organizations and foundations just off 0:52:57.640 --> 0:53:00.200 the interest alone. Uh, the endowment you put in place, 0:53:00.280 --> 0:53:02.440 Now that's real change. Now you got to school. You know, 0:53:02.560 --> 0:53:06.360 Jalen Rose has done it. Beautiful beautiful economy Academy, Lebron 0:53:06.480 --> 0:53:08.200 James has done it, you know, and and and we 0:53:08.200 --> 0:53:11.919 don't even talk about those things enough. Those are generational 0:53:12.080 --> 0:53:16.879 changes and providing that right infrastructure. So the next group 0:53:16.920 --> 0:53:19.480 of folks behind us are in a much better position 0:53:19.560 --> 0:53:22.480 situation that we are. In turn, they do the same thing. 0:53:22.600 --> 0:53:24.960 And that's how you build that group economics, as David 0:53:25.000 --> 0:53:27.480 West was always talking about. So you know, in the 0:53:27.600 --> 0:53:29.719 VC space, I got a few things that would be 0:53:30.239 --> 0:53:32.880 coming out in the next couple of months on the 0:53:33.000 --> 0:53:36.759 VC side, even on the private equity side, uh, even 0:53:36.880 --> 0:53:39.560 on you know, the athletes side that I'm really excited about. 0:53:39.640 --> 0:53:42.360 And just you know, got my eyes and crossing my 0:53:42.440 --> 0:53:45.799 teas and just you know, button everything up. No, it's beautiful. See. 0:53:45.960 --> 0:53:49.239 And like I said, as someone who watches you, um 0:53:50.280 --> 0:53:51.840 right here, I just want to say thank you for 0:53:51.920 --> 0:53:54.600 the knowledge that you've shared with me, for the path 0:53:54.800 --> 0:53:57.400 that you've laid out for all of us. I I 0:53:57.560 --> 0:53:59.719 speak for myself, but I can also speak for guys, 0:53:59.760 --> 0:54:02.319 and that in the locker room because I know how 0:54:02.400 --> 0:54:04.600 we all look at you, Steph Curry. I know how, 0:54:05.480 --> 0:54:10.239 um how his business has ran so incredibly now and 0:54:10.440 --> 0:54:12.279 a part of that was watching you, you know, and 0:54:12.520 --> 0:54:15.520 the things that you were doing. So I definitely appreciate that. 0:54:15.640 --> 0:54:17.960 And obviously we're on an off day, so I don't 0:54:17.960 --> 0:54:19.880 want to take up much more of your time. I 0:54:19.960 --> 0:54:23.200 appreciate you coming on. I do have two more basketball 0:54:23.360 --> 0:54:26.279 questions before I let you out of here, um and 0:54:26.480 --> 0:54:29.239 And the first one is I know, for me, I 0:54:29.320 --> 0:54:32.440 am looking at this team and as I said, we 0:54:32.560 --> 0:54:35.400 kind of got that mix of younger and experience, and 0:54:36.920 --> 0:54:40.120 it feels right like the team feel good. It's just 0:54:40.360 --> 0:54:43.920 it feels right like the oars right. The vibe is great. 0:54:44.400 --> 0:54:47.920 The coaching staff has been incredible, I mean the training staff, 0:54:48.000 --> 0:54:50.800 like it just feel right, like do you feel or 0:54:51.000 --> 0:54:54.480 see anything? Because I know, I like this feel real 0:54:54.600 --> 0:54:57.399 two thousand and fifteen sixteen is for me, Like that's 0:54:57.440 --> 0:54:59.560 how it feels for me. The funny thing is like 0:55:00.719 --> 0:55:04.360 coming in like I knew like that Miami he culture 0:55:04.440 --> 0:55:07.000 had me like locked in, so I'm already ready to go, 0:55:07.280 --> 0:55:09.239 like all right, I gotta bring that minami heat kind 0:55:09.280 --> 0:55:11.360 of vibe like make sure, yeah, we really locked in 0:55:11.520 --> 0:55:15.160 every day, but to say that I could predict this 0:55:15.480 --> 0:55:17.680 will be a lie, like and then you don't know, 0:55:17.840 --> 0:55:19.560 like most of the time you can, you know, like 0:55:19.640 --> 0:55:21.359 all the like when we had success the first year, 0:55:21.400 --> 0:55:24.239 we didn't quite know until but after that, we like, 0:55:24.320 --> 0:55:26.279 we're about to about to run through through these dudes 0:55:26.320 --> 0:55:27.879 the next four years long as we together, we running 0:55:27.880 --> 0:55:30.560 through people. You're coming back. He was like, you're still 0:55:30.600 --> 0:55:33.480 trying to figure it out. Then you start feeling the energy, 0:55:33.680 --> 0:55:35.719 like you said the coaching staff, you start seeing the 0:55:35.800 --> 0:55:38.160 young guys and then you see that video or quite 0:55:38.200 --> 0:55:42.759 the other day, but you see the cla I'm like, 0:55:43.040 --> 0:55:47.200 oh oh h now and now you locked it even more, 0:55:47.280 --> 0:55:51.200 like yo, let's not waste no time, let's not throw 0:55:51.440 --> 0:55:54.560 nothing away, like let's take advantage of all these moments, 0:55:54.640 --> 0:55:57.640 like we all know this ain't guaranteed and everyone, for 0:55:58.040 --> 0:55:59.880 whatever they said, we had a really good team. Just 0:56:00.000 --> 0:56:01.480 because you got a good team on me even win it, 0:56:01.520 --> 0:56:04.720 like you still gotta win it. Yeah, understand how precious 0:56:04.760 --> 0:56:06.920 this this moments are and what we got ahead of us. 0:56:06.960 --> 0:56:09.719 So I'm like super like you just wake up and 0:56:09.800 --> 0:56:13.320 you can't wait to get to work, and people don't understand, 0:56:13.360 --> 0:56:15.440 like being a professional athlete, there's so many things that 0:56:15.560 --> 0:56:18.759 come with it that can like stray you away from 0:56:18.840 --> 0:56:21.400 the joy of your job, and it's just like becoming 0:56:21.719 --> 0:56:24.880 drag sometimes. But when you're excited to go to work, like, 0:56:25.040 --> 0:56:27.759 it's an incredible feeling, man like, and it's just every 0:56:27.840 --> 0:56:29.520 day is just like even when you're working hard, it's 0:56:29.520 --> 0:56:31.359 not work hard, hard work. It's just like, yo, we're 0:56:31.360 --> 0:56:34.920 getting better. Yeah, no, it's it's great. It's funny. I 0:56:35.000 --> 0:56:37.880 said that the little yesterday, like, loo, I just enjoy 0:56:38.000 --> 0:56:40.480 coming to work again, man Like, it just feels good 0:56:41.239 --> 0:56:44.759 to come here. And you're speaking of Clay when I 0:56:44.840 --> 0:56:47.680 saw that video when they showed us that, like what 0:56:47.800 --> 0:56:51.000 the hell like? And what people don't know is the 0:56:51.200 --> 0:56:53.360 video that they saw he hit his first six shots 0:56:53.400 --> 0:56:57.680 of the scrimmage. Like and as we we know h Q, 0:56:57.960 --> 0:56:59.560 who was who was up here with us for like 0:56:59.680 --> 0:57:02.880 a week, and so in training camp, like you guarding him, 0:57:02.960 --> 0:57:05.520 you're getting all them buckets. They come in bunches, like 0:57:07.040 --> 0:57:08.759 we we all saw the clips and we saw I 0:57:08.840 --> 0:57:12.800 broke up. But if he hits six straight, that was 0:57:12.920 --> 0:57:15.279 six of the first temp possessions because you know Clay 0:57:15.320 --> 0:57:17.760 he hit that first one. They're not gonna let you 0:57:17.960 --> 0:57:20.520 just lose him. And he hidden shots. He going to 0:57:20.560 --> 0:57:25.040 get the ball. So you know, those six buckets absolutely 0:57:25.120 --> 0:57:29.240 came within the first six the first temp possessions of 0:57:29.320 --> 0:57:33.120 that scrimmage. And that had me so excited. Man, seeing 0:57:33.280 --> 0:57:36.480 him playing like that. Obviously we're playing well, but just 0:57:36.680 --> 0:57:39.360 on his journey. Man, it's beautiful to see. So I 0:57:39.440 --> 0:57:42.440 am extremely excited about Clay coming back. I know we 0:57:42.560 --> 0:57:44.840 all are. And yes we are playing great, but you 0:57:44.920 --> 0:57:48.440 add Clay Thomson back to the foe and then Wiseman 0:57:48.480 --> 0:57:50.800 back to the phoe, like I like where we at. 0:57:51.240 --> 0:57:52.880 But lastly, what I want to ask you, and I 0:57:52.960 --> 0:57:55.880 think this one, this question is really near and dear 0:57:56.000 --> 0:58:00.920 to me because as someone who have the opportunity to 0:58:01.000 --> 0:58:05.240 play with share the court with you for seven years now, 0:58:05.640 --> 0:58:09.400 uh this is seven year seven, I think six or seven, um, 0:58:10.680 --> 0:58:13.120 I know, and then also sharing the court with them 0:58:13.280 --> 0:58:16.000 how to buy you uh this summer? The one thing 0:58:16.120 --> 0:58:18.600 he said, the one thing we both obviously agree on 0:58:18.720 --> 0:58:22.160 this like playing with Andre just makes the game easier, right, 0:58:22.240 --> 0:58:25.360 Like it makes the game easier for you and understanding 0:58:25.440 --> 0:58:28.040 your impact and what you bring to the game. And 0:58:28.120 --> 0:58:31.000 now you start to talk about the All Star appearance, 0:58:31.560 --> 0:58:36.440 all Star appearances, the Championships, finals, m v P, defensive teams, 0:58:36.520 --> 0:58:39.480 all these things. It bothers me when people don't say 0:58:39.520 --> 0:58:41.560 you're a lock as for a Hall of Famer like that. 0:58:41.800 --> 0:58:45.360 That bothers me. And I don't understand. I understand it 0:58:45.960 --> 0:58:48.800 because what I understand is that people don't understand the 0:58:48.880 --> 0:58:51.680 game of basketball, and so I understand it from that 0:58:51.840 --> 0:58:55.920 perspective of like, y'all don't really understand the game of basketball, 0:58:55.960 --> 0:58:59.840 so you technically don't know what you're watching. Um. But it, boy, 0:59:00.040 --> 0:59:04.280 there's me when people don't say andres an equal dollars 0:59:04.320 --> 0:59:07.520 a lot for the Hall of Fame, because you know, 0:59:07.920 --> 0:59:09.560 we see a lot of guys who can jump out 0:59:09.600 --> 0:59:14.080 the gym. You being one of those guys, obviously not 0:59:14.200 --> 0:59:16.400 as jumping as high as you are. Who who's jumping 0:59:16.440 --> 0:59:18.720 out high at your age and all the miles that 0:59:18.800 --> 0:59:20.760 you have on your body, but you still get up 0:59:20.840 --> 0:59:25.520 hiring the most guys, and for most guys, that's a hinderance. 0:59:25.640 --> 0:59:28.080 Like you see guys that can jump and they're dumber 0:59:28.120 --> 0:59:31.440 than the back of rocks, like like they don't really 0:59:31.680 --> 0:59:34.320 understand the game of basketball because they've just ran somewhere 0:59:34.320 --> 0:59:37.560 and jumped all their life. And whereas you happen to 0:59:37.680 --> 0:59:41.120 be one of the smartest guys in the league jumping 0:59:41.200 --> 0:59:44.320 like that, it's so rare. Does it bother you like 0:59:44.400 --> 0:59:46.160 it bother me when people not saying you're a lot 0:59:46.240 --> 0:59:48.520 for the Hall of Fame? I don't think so, because like, 0:59:50.280 --> 0:59:52.280 like I think I said it a couple of times, 0:59:52.480 --> 0:59:57.600 like I really couldn't see how good, Like I couldn't 0:59:57.600 --> 0:59:59.920 see how good Step was when I was playing with him, 1:00:00.200 --> 1:00:02.960 Like I know how good you were, because we're kind 1:00:02.960 --> 1:00:06.040 of in the same lane as like we know how 1:00:06.160 --> 1:00:08.840 good we are what we do, and we know it's 1:00:08.960 --> 1:00:12.240 very high level. Well what Step does. It's like it's 1:00:12.280 --> 1:00:15.120 loud and you see it, but he's so focused on 1:00:15.280 --> 1:00:18.400 trying to get to like what's next, Like we're like 1:00:18.600 --> 1:00:20.840 proactive players where we're gonna get there before you do. 1:00:21.640 --> 1:00:23.880 So it's like one thing with Whigs. I'm like Whigs, 1:00:23.920 --> 1:00:26.080 like he's been really good defensively this year, and he 1:00:26.800 --> 1:00:28.720 this is when I knew I was this, when I 1:00:28.800 --> 1:00:30.280 knew I was kind of good like I never like 1:00:30.400 --> 1:00:32.720 saying I'm good, like I'm nice, but this one I 1:00:32.760 --> 1:00:34.840 knew like I was doing things the right way. Whigs 1:00:34.920 --> 1:00:37.240 is like, yo, what are some things you like to 1:00:37.320 --> 1:00:40.080 do when you go on Lebron? I was like, whoa, 1:00:40.840 --> 1:00:43.520 I'm like, bro, you've got way more ability than me. 1:00:44.080 --> 1:00:47.280 But then I had to like, okay, okay, this is 1:00:47.320 --> 1:00:50.080 a good thing. And then I give him some pointers. 1:00:50.160 --> 1:00:53.080 I'm like, yo, it's really not about stopping him, because 1:00:53.080 --> 1:00:56.040 you can't. It's just about beating him to the spot 1:00:56.160 --> 1:00:59.160 before he gets there. And that starts when step shoots 1:00:59.760 --> 1:01:02.640 so and student steps shot the ball. I would be 1:01:02.960 --> 1:01:05.200 looking for Lebron like, all right, where is he at 1:01:05.400 --> 1:01:07.720 and what point of attack will he be taking the 1:01:07.760 --> 1:01:09.640 ball at the bounce? That's the first thing that went 1:01:09.680 --> 1:01:12.080 off on my mind. So for me, it was just 1:01:12.240 --> 1:01:16.240 like I wasn't really able to see things like, you know, 1:01:16.320 --> 1:01:18.320 how good Steph was, you know, so I couldn't like 1:01:18.400 --> 1:01:20.560 really appreci So that goes back to like, you know, 1:01:20.640 --> 1:01:23.000 I'm upset at how people see the game, like as 1:01:23.080 --> 1:01:28.320 you know, we like we identified the journalists who know 1:01:28.400 --> 1:01:31.080 the game who don't, and not even journalists, just people 1:01:31.120 --> 1:01:33.000 in general and we realize most don't know the game 1:01:33.040 --> 1:01:37.360 that well. Because you know so then it doesn't bother me. 1:01:37.760 --> 1:01:39.800 And then I always say, like I talked about the 1:01:39.880 --> 1:01:42.600 top s any Bible lest I always say, like, there's 1:01:42.640 --> 1:01:44.840 guys in the Hall of Fame that I feel like 1:01:45.960 --> 1:01:47.640 I think I'm better than him, and I'm not trying 1:01:47.640 --> 1:01:49.360 to be copy like I think I'm better than that guy. 1:01:49.440 --> 1:01:50.960 He's in the Hall of Fame. But there are guys 1:01:51.000 --> 1:01:52.800 who are not in the Hall of Fame that are 1:01:52.840 --> 1:01:56.200 better than me. But there's a lot and I'm just like, 1:01:56.840 --> 1:01:58.960 hey man, it just is what it is. You just 1:01:59.800 --> 1:02:01.840 it becomes, it comes. If it doesn't, it doesn't. And 1:02:02.360 --> 1:02:05.560 like I said before, like the impact our generation of 1:02:05.600 --> 1:02:08.840 basketball players are going to have, it just gets bigger 1:02:08.880 --> 1:02:11.080 and bigger through each generation, which shows that there is 1:02:11.520 --> 1:02:14.439 you know, there's maturity, it shows evolution. We're becoming better 1:02:14.480 --> 1:02:16.400 as humans. Like the things we're doing off the court 1:02:16.760 --> 1:02:19.320 are going to have a much bigger impact, uh, for 1:02:19.680 --> 1:02:21.959 not just basketball players, but just you know, black kids 1:02:22.000 --> 1:02:24.160 in general. And I think that's what we should be 1:02:24.720 --> 1:02:26.920 most proud about. And like that really goes back to 1:02:27.240 --> 1:02:29.280 like you having a conversation with Bob yesterday. I'm like, Bro, 1:02:29.440 --> 1:02:31.720 like the impact that we have outside of the game, 1:02:31.720 --> 1:02:36.080 it's just it's just crazy. Absolutely, no, Man, I definitely 1:02:36.120 --> 1:02:40.560 appreciate it. The vat Andre Godalla, hall of famer in 1:02:40.680 --> 1:02:43.320 my book Chat. I appreciate everything you've done for me, 1:02:43.880 --> 1:02:47.680 including obviously coming on this podcast today, but goes way 1:02:47.920 --> 1:02:51.600 beyond this podcast, just in my career, in my life, 1:02:51.680 --> 1:02:55.040 the things you've taught me always be somebody I'll look to, 1:02:55.160 --> 1:02:58.520 I'll call upon when I need some advice, when I 1:02:58.600 --> 1:03:00.920 need somebody to talk to our sharped you brother, Thank 1:03:00.960 --> 1:03:03.400 you for coming on. Thank you, Man, appreciate you. Proud 1:03:03.440 --> 1:03:05.200 of you too. Man. We gotta say that more often. Man, 1:03:05.360 --> 1:03:10.120 appreciate you. Bro. Likewise, likewise are our venture capitalist brother 1:03:10.160 --> 1:03:12.920 who who caused and have it over there and figuring 1:03:12.960 --> 1:03:21.160 it out. Man. Definitely appreciate it, Sir Man. What an 1:03:21.200 --> 1:03:25.640 incredible conversation just to have with with Andre. Obviously I 1:03:25.760 --> 1:03:30.040 am I have the opportunity to have those conversations often 1:03:30.280 --> 1:03:33.120 and and really just sit and soak up the knowledge 1:03:33.160 --> 1:03:35.200 and learn as he is one of the guys that 1:03:35.280 --> 1:03:38.080 I truly respect, the way he goes about his business, 1:03:38.440 --> 1:03:43.880 the way he has capitalized on being in such a 1:03:44.000 --> 1:03:49.400 hotbed of technology in Silicon Valley. I think it's incredible 1:03:49.880 --> 1:03:53.400 and so always honored UM to just take in some 1:03:53.520 --> 1:03:57.320 of the knowledge and some of the um advice that 1:03:57.520 --> 1:04:00.720 he that he gives, which he does often, which he 1:04:00.840 --> 1:04:03.640 doesn't have to. So I'm very thankful and appreciative of that. 1:04:04.240 --> 1:04:06.600 So again, to my big brother Andre, thank you for 1:04:06.680 --> 1:04:10.960 coming on and Draymond Green show before we wrap, I'd 1:04:11.000 --> 1:04:15.960 be remissed if I didn't mention the late great Virgil 1:04:16.040 --> 1:04:20.240 I blow Uh. He's for what he's done for our culture. 1:04:20.640 --> 1:04:25.440 Number one rest in peace, UM, and to his family, 1:04:25.680 --> 1:04:29.320 I sent my my thoughts, my prayers, well wishes and 1:04:29.880 --> 1:04:34.640 most importantly my love. Losing a loved one is never easy, 1:04:35.120 --> 1:04:39.920 and you know, losing a loved one at forty one 1:04:40.040 --> 1:04:44.480 years old, it's tough, and obviously none of us know 1:04:44.680 --> 1:04:50.680 the time, nor to day, nor the place. Uh, But 1:04:50.800 --> 1:04:53.920 nonetheless it's it doesn't make it easier. And obviously now 1:04:54.240 --> 1:04:57.360 we all know for the last two better part of 1:04:57.400 --> 1:05:01.280 the last two two and a half years, he's battling cancer, 1:05:01.840 --> 1:05:06.720 and number one, to continue doing what he was doing 1:05:07.760 --> 1:05:11.960 while going through his journey and his fight with cancer, 1:05:13.320 --> 1:05:16.080 just speaks to the guy that that he is, that 1:05:16.240 --> 1:05:19.760 he was, and speaks to why he was able to 1:05:19.920 --> 1:05:21.960 do what he was able to do. I mean, you 1:05:22.080 --> 1:05:24.360 have a guy now who we just saw I just 1:05:24.440 --> 1:05:29.560 saw today. Uh, they have something display off some Mercedes 1:05:29.680 --> 1:05:33.560 car that he that he designed. We know he designed 1:05:33.640 --> 1:05:37.760 Drake's playing Um, we know he's designed watches for Drake, 1:05:38.440 --> 1:05:42.200 obviously off white Pyrex, going all the way back and 1:05:42.240 --> 1:05:44.640 then on the Louis Vatton and what what he's able 1:05:44.640 --> 1:05:47.200 to do there as a black man, UM going to 1:05:47.320 --> 1:05:51.520 a brand like Louis Vatton and being the head of 1:05:51.640 --> 1:05:58.360 create of the creators designed for Louis Vatton owned by LVMH, 1:05:58.600 --> 1:06:02.040 a black man from Chicago. Uh, some heard of We 1:06:02.200 --> 1:06:06.680 lost a great one. We lost a guy who has 1:06:07.000 --> 1:06:13.560 changed culture, who has changed the way we look at fashion, UM, 1:06:13.800 --> 1:06:20.640 who's changed the way art, fashion, um, music and are intertwined. 1:06:20.720 --> 1:06:22.640 You're talking about a guy who has shown us he's 1:06:22.640 --> 1:06:27.080 an artist and the design things that he does. He's 1:06:27.080 --> 1:06:29.560 shown us he's an artist through the music aspect in 1:06:29.720 --> 1:06:33.800 his DJ and and things that he's does, and obviously 1:06:34.760 --> 1:06:39.600 through his creation of the brands that he's created and 1:06:41.200 --> 1:06:44.120 the collections that he's put out with that he's been 1:06:44.160 --> 1:06:49.560 in charge of at at Louis Vutton just an incredible creative. 1:06:50.480 --> 1:06:55.040 I never had the opportunity of meeting Virgil, but I 1:06:55.200 --> 1:06:59.400 know from my fashion sense and the things that I like, 1:07:00.440 --> 1:07:04.240 he had a huge impact on that and just the 1:07:04.360 --> 1:07:09.120 things that he put out and and so, man, it's 1:07:09.120 --> 1:07:12.000 a tough one. Uh. You know, a guy who's broken 1:07:12.040 --> 1:07:17.760 down barriers for creators, especially African American black, just black creatives. 1:07:19.240 --> 1:07:22.480 He's broken down a lot of walls, broken down some barriers. 1:07:23.480 --> 1:07:29.520 And looking forward to the creatives of today carrying on 1:07:29.720 --> 1:07:35.920 his legging legacy. Uh you know seleehy been Bery, uh Heron, Preston, 1:07:37.080 --> 1:07:41.600 uh Don c And the list goes on and on. Creators, 1:07:41.840 --> 1:07:46.360 creators that continue to shape our culture. So I'm looking 1:07:46.400 --> 1:07:48.960 forward to Jerry Lorenzo, you know, I'm looking forward to 1:07:49.080 --> 1:07:52.680 those guys continuing to carry out his legacy, carry on 1:07:52.880 --> 1:07:57.840 his legacy. Obviously, will continue to see the imprint that 1:07:57.920 --> 1:08:02.080 he left on on the fashion world. But man, gone 1:08:02.160 --> 1:08:05.280 way too soon. Virtual I blow. I sent my love 1:08:07.560 --> 1:08:11.200 to his family, his loved ones, his friends, UM, anyone 1:08:11.320 --> 1:08:15.160 that's that he's impacted their life, who feels that loss. 1:08:15.360 --> 1:08:23.320 Uh send my love, my thoughts and my prayers. Man, 1:08:23.920 --> 1:08:26.200 it's a tough one, but the third episode of The 1:08:26.240 --> 1:08:30.599 Draymond Green Show. Thank everybody for tuning in. Uh see 1:08:30.640 --> 1:08:32.280 you guys next week. Peace and love.