Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you a question. I know the answer already.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask it anyway. If here's my husband, Oh hello, Okay,
Speaker 1: hey Alex, I'm interviewing Kesha right now. Okay, I don't
Speaker 1: know how you put on your sunglasses when my husband
Speaker 1: it was just a phone call. Thank god, you're listening
Speaker 1: thinking out loud. This is the very first one, by
Speaker 1: the way, but I already know what the interview with
Speaker 1: Kesha is all about. You're gonna love this. When we
Speaker 1: recorded this interview with Kesha, we did it right after
Speaker 1: our morning show on the radio where we had her
Speaker 1: as a guest. And of course, as I've been doing
Speaker 1: interviews on the radio for thirty years, you know, I
Speaker 1: know there's a timing aspect there that has to be
Speaker 1: in out done, play the song, play commercials, goodbye, and
Speaker 1: we also have other people in the room that want
Speaker 1: to ask questions as well, and it does very well.
Speaker 1: It's been very, very very successful. But with this podcast,
Speaker 1: it was explaining to me, Elvis, now you can take
Speaker 1: your time. Now you can actually go down roads that
Speaker 1: you didn't have a chance to go down on the
Speaker 1: regular show. And this is where I've finally learned that
Speaker 1: is so true my moments with keshah Yo. Kesha and
Speaker 1: I actually connected several interviews ago on the show, and
Speaker 1: I got to know her mom as well. And I
Speaker 1: love the side of Kesha, which is, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: all of Kesha. It's her only side uniqueness. She is
Speaker 1: such a unique individual. She's not afraid to tell you
Speaker 1: what's in her heart and on her mind, even though
Speaker 1: it may freak you the hell out. She loves the
Speaker 1: fact that there's an interplanetary connection going on with us
Speaker 1: and other beings from out there in the universe. She
Speaker 1: also loves talking about the weird things that she gets
Speaker 1: into in the course of a normal Kesha day. You'll
Speaker 1: hear that here where she gets to play with the
Speaker 1: skull of a mass murderer. I think we'll see it together.
Speaker 1: It's been a few weeks since we've recorded, and I'm
Speaker 1: going to listen to it with you. Kesha A great
Speaker 1: way to start thinking out loud as my podcast series.
Speaker 1: Here we go, listen to this. It's Kesha, Kesha. Where
Speaker 1: do we start?
Speaker 2: Where do we Start?
Speaker 1: That could be the name of the podcast, Where do
Speaker 1: we Start? So I don't even have a name for
Speaker 1: this podcast. It's so new and I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't even you've done podcasts. I have teach me.
Speaker 2: Okay if i'm are we going?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 3: So first of all, I know nothing. I just blabber.
Speaker 3: So just blabber at me and I'll blabber back.
Speaker 1: Let's blabber.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Is that another name like blabber?
Speaker 3: That's like my specialty. I would just I mean, it
Speaker 3: depends on what you're what. Is it marketed as a
Speaker 3: music podcast?
Speaker 1: No, it's just it's just me talking to people I
Speaker 1: find interesting. Oh, we love that, and you were on
Speaker 1: that list. It's so funny that you're in town and
Speaker 1: you're talking about your new album gag order and timing
Speaker 1: is right. Yeah, someone I'm interested in because you fascinate
Speaker 1: the fuck out of me.
Speaker 2: Oh I love that, and I love you.
Speaker 1: As I you good. Uh. I just when I hear
Speaker 1: you talk about the things that excite you, I know
Speaker 1: that I could admit that those things excite me as well.
Speaker 1: And I know a lot of people are listening that
Speaker 1: are closet lovers of cats, closet lovers of travel, closet
Speaker 1: lovers of philosophical study.
Speaker 3: Yeah, anything esoteric, Yeah, I think that, Yeah, I lead
Speaker 3: a pretty weird life. So I'm here to talk about
Speaker 3: it because I haven't really talked about it while I've
Speaker 3: been incubating this album. I've been pretty insular.
Speaker 1: Well, who are you to say that you have a
Speaker 1: weird life? I mean, it's your life. What's so weird
Speaker 1: about it to you?
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure it's kind of weird. Like, for example,
Speaker 3: I yesterday was at the Philosophical Research Society and you
Speaker 3: walk into this library that looks like Hogwarts, and all
Speaker 3: these beautiful books are behind glass, and there's a section
Speaker 3: for taro, there's a section for past lives, there's a
Speaker 3: section for comparative religions.
Speaker 2: You go and you can.
Speaker 3: Read all this ancient text about anything esoteric. Philosophical Research
Speaker 3: Library is that. So then I meet the guy who
Speaker 3: kind of runs the place, and he was like, oh,
Speaker 3: I have this closet upstairs that there might be the
Speaker 3: head of a German murderer.
Speaker 1: And I was like, hold on, wait, ahead of a
Speaker 1: German murderer, yes, okay.
Speaker 3: Like non specific, no one knows who he is or
Speaker 3: how they got the head, like it's all big question marks.
Speaker 3: But as soon as they said there might be a head, around.
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, I'm not leave ahead, you know
Speaker 3: exactly exactly. So I was like, yo, I'm not leaving
Speaker 3: until we find this head. So we go upstairs. I
Speaker 3: have a video of it, and there's a bookcase that
Speaker 3: like is a secret doorway to this closet and he
Speaker 3: opens it up and I think it's going to be
Speaker 3: like Narnia, and it's a bunch of printer paper and
Speaker 3: he's like, yeah, the head might be in one of
Speaker 3: these boxes. I was like, okay, well we're gonna we're
Speaker 3: gonna rummage through your boxes, homie. So we couldn't find
Speaker 3: the head there, so we traveled to the other side
Speaker 3: of the library and we finally find this head under
Speaker 3: a desk in a cardboard box full of like trash.
Speaker 3: There's just a bunch of trash on top of a head.
Speaker 3: So we did in fact find the head. So we
Speaker 3: whips out the head and I just start giggling maniacally because,
Speaker 3: for whatever reason, a dead head is like my favorite
Speaker 3: thing apparently, So.
Speaker 1: This is why you feel you're different than the other kids, Yes,
Speaker 1: because this excites you finding a head in a closet,
Speaker 1: but a German murderer's head. So that what if it
Speaker 1: was like a grandmother's head. It was a skull.
Speaker 2: By the way, it was a skull. It was a skull,
Speaker 2: not a head with hair. Well, to be clear, there's.
Speaker 1: A clear line between skull and head. I guess I
Speaker 1: do know, But so I see your point. Not everyone
Speaker 1: in this world would love to go through a bookcase
Speaker 1: hidden door into a room full of boxes and dig
Speaker 1: through them until they found a skull of a German murderer.
Speaker 2: So why not? Why wouldn't they would? I feel like
Speaker 2: you would.
Speaker 1: So someone's listening to this podcast now going they're about
Speaker 1: to reach to turn it off. They're like, ah, wait,
Speaker 1: hold on, let's hear this head story.
Speaker 3: Well, we found it. I held it. I gave him
Speaker 3: a little kiss. I think he's good. He didn't have
Speaker 3: bad vibes. And that was like an average Friday.
Speaker 1: Who did he murder?
Speaker 2: I mean, how do we know what he d knows?
Speaker 3: Which is like probably problematic. But so when I was
Speaker 3: filming the show, so I started with a podcast and
Speaker 3: then it turned kind of it morphed into a television
Speaker 3: show that's on Discovery Plus called Conjuring Kasha, and I
Speaker 3: would just shoot the shit with people that I found
Speaker 3: interesting and had any sort of paranormal experience or opinions.
Speaker 3: So that turned into me traveling around the country and
Speaker 3: looking for spirits, looking for ghosts. I went to a
Speaker 3: secret society be where they also had skeletons in the walls.
Speaker 3: They would bury the skeletons in the walls of the Oddfellows.
Speaker 3: I was the first woman allowed to film inside of
Speaker 3: an Oddfellow's center.
Speaker 2: And then I just.
Speaker 3: Did like ghost experiments the whole time, and I was
Speaker 3: I found like three different skeletons and you and they
Speaker 3: bought them from a catalog. So they had this catalog
Speaker 3: that's like, what kind of skeleton do you want?
Speaker 1: There's a thing that's a thing?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Can I Amazon right now? And there's skeletons.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I want Francis, can you google that?
Speaker 1: Francis?
Speaker 2: Can you you need to Doleton can.
Speaker 1: Go to Amazon, particularly Amazon, because I want to use
Speaker 1: I want to use Prime and have it here by Thursday?
Speaker 2: Does Amazon have everything?
Speaker 1: So okay, let's let's let's let's back the truck up
Speaker 1: just for a second. Kesha. When did all this begin
Speaker 1: in your life? Your fascination with things I don't want
Speaker 1: to use the word macab because that's so limiting. But
Speaker 1: all things different than what the other kids would to
Speaker 1: talk about it forever your mom.
Speaker 3: My mom was is convinced she's truly serious that she
Speaker 3: is an alien, which I wouldn't be surprised she was.
Speaker 3: And I just grew up and we would write songs
Speaker 3: and listen to like ram Das or we would It
Speaker 3: was always spiritual seeking. Like she took astrology in college.
Speaker 3: So it's just kind of in my blood to be
Speaker 3: obsessed with this stuff. I'm also triple Pisces, which I
Speaker 3: don't know. If you're into astrology, I don't like, what's
Speaker 3: your sign.
Speaker 1: I'm a Leo, but I don't know if I'm a
Speaker 1: triple Leo or if I've ever if uranus is rising
Speaker 1: or whatever rising. I don't. I don't understand it, but
Speaker 1: I appreciate learning about it. Yeah, and so I don't know.
Speaker 1: If I had my chart here, I could show it
Speaker 1: to and you could say, oh, you would walk out
Speaker 1: the door, or.
Speaker 2: You'd be like, oh, no, no, go you no.
Speaker 3: It's really interesting because your main sign is not all
Speaker 3: that governs who you are. You have multiple houses and
Speaker 3: risings and your sun, your moon, all these different things, so.
Speaker 1: I understand that part.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I just find that really interesting.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to like have someone go through it with
Speaker 3: me and show me how to really read a chart
Speaker 3: because it's pretty confusing when you look at it. And
Speaker 3: I just signed up for a tarot card class.
Speaker 1: I'm want to get to that in a moment. Yeah,
Speaker 1: can you order some tarot cards on Amazon? I have
Speaker 1: some at home.
Speaker 3: I had some in my purse, but I didn't bring
Speaker 3: the right purse. But yeah, I just have always been
Speaker 3: like that. And then that's perhaps why my schooling experience
Speaker 3: was hell, because I also loved making my own like
Speaker 3: velvet bell bottoms, and apparently that wasn't cool then, and
Speaker 3: so I had like a pretty weird childhood experien answer.
Speaker 3: I didn't really feel like I could connect to that
Speaker 3: many people because they wanted to play with the dolls.
Speaker 1: Were you lonely as a kid because of this, Yeah,
Speaker 1: a little bit.
Speaker 3: That's why I turned the songwriting right because I would
Speaker 3: have and I've always been a highly sensitive person, which
Speaker 3: is a thing a lot of people out there that
Speaker 3: would label themselves as like, oh, I'm just like quote
Speaker 3: unquote crazy. Really, you just might be really highly sensitive,
Speaker 3: really intuitive. So I started writing songs because I felt
Speaker 3: like I couldn't connect to a ton of people. And
Speaker 3: then I moved to LA and found a couple other
Speaker 3: weirdos and my bandman lived to strange people and we
Speaker 3: have our little tribe.
Speaker 1: So you're proud of me.
Speaker 3: Strange, I mean, I don't know how else to be.
Speaker 1: Well, no, I mean you shouldn't. You shouldn't have been
Speaker 1: thinking about what you are whatever. You don't put yourself
Speaker 1: in any box. You are just who you are. So
Speaker 1: this resonates with me a lot. And you look at me.
Speaker 1: I'm a fifty eight year old gay guy on the
Speaker 1: radio with nothing in common with you, you would think,
Speaker 1: But the things you're saying about you and your childhood
Speaker 1: remind me of me and my childhood.
Speaker 2: And what was your like schooling experience?
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I was the outcast and I didn't
Speaker 1: have a lot of friends. And you know, mom and
Speaker 1: dad they both worked. I would be at home by
Speaker 1: myself every day and just watch TV and pretend to
Speaker 1: be on the radio, and you know, and I would
Speaker 1: sit in my little closet with my equipment and I
Speaker 1: would have a radio show.
Speaker 2: And that is so sweet.
Speaker 1: It is, But then I started thinking, how sad was I?
Speaker 1: I mean, I wasn't playing sports, couldn't. I wasn't out there,
Speaker 1: you know, being a butcher burly guy, because well I
Speaker 1: wanted to have sex with them, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it was different than everyone, But I think
Speaker 1: it's the people who are Anyone who's listening to this
Speaker 1: right now is going, holy shit, that's me.
Speaker 2: I'm really people.
Speaker 3: Everyone is weird, Like I think, I told you this earlier,
Speaker 3: but I have a new theory.
Speaker 2: This is my own.
Speaker 3: This is the Kesha theory of relativity. We're all just babies. Okay,
Speaker 3: that's as far as I've gotten.
Speaker 2: But we're all just giant babies.
Speaker 3: So the formative years of like going to school and stuff,
Speaker 3: it impacts the rest of your life, right because all
Speaker 3: we are is a collection of our experiences plus our spirit.
Speaker 3: If you believe in.
Speaker 1: That, I do me doo.
Speaker 2: What was I talking about?
Speaker 1: We're just giant babies.
Speaker 3: So I think that feeling like an outcast, which I
Speaker 3: completely relate to, it made my drive so much more
Speaker 3: intense because I felt like I had something to prove
Speaker 3: to all the people that made fun of me and
Speaker 3: to myself too that I was you know, I'm not
Speaker 3: just special and strange for no good reason. I want
Speaker 3: to be special and strange and help other people feel
Speaker 3: like they can be special strange around me and feel
Speaker 3: like very accepted and safe. And that's one of my
Speaker 3: favorite things about making music is my shows, because I
Speaker 3: just always wanted to have a safe place to go
Speaker 3: be weird.
Speaker 1: Well that's what this album is sort of about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: This album is that you definitely turned a corner with
Speaker 1: this album. This one is much more personal. You're saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: you gave birth to this whole new side of you
Speaker 1: because there are other people out there that you're convinced
Speaker 1: can relate with it because they are the same way.
Speaker 3: I mean, in a way, I hope a lot of
Speaker 3: people don't relate to the sadder songs because I want
Speaker 3: people to be happy. But I have a feeling that
Speaker 3: most humans go through the kaleidoscope of human emotion, Like
Speaker 3: I cannot be the only one that feels insecure sometimes
Speaker 3: it cannot be the one that feels full of rage.
Speaker 3: I cannot be the only one that feels kind of
Speaker 3: at the end of their rope sometimes, especially just the
Speaker 3: consumption of media boggles my brain. It feels really overwhelming sometimes,
Speaker 3: and I know we all consume a lot of media,
Speaker 3: so sometimes it makes me feel like my brain's going
Speaker 3: to explode. And I'm writing and singing about that.
Speaker 1: I find that very relatable to almost everyone who's listening
Speaker 1: to this, most likely, I absolutely My question is this,
Speaker 1: even if you didn't have the influence of your mother
Speaker 1: and her philosophy in life, don't you think this would
Speaker 1: have been the path you would have found anyway? But
Speaker 1: if you had a mom who was an accountant and
Speaker 1: a dad who was a car dealer. Is this goes
Speaker 1: back to what is inside of you? Something's already baked
Speaker 1: into you when you're born.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, yeah, I think that there is a soul.
Speaker 3: But I also think being surrounded by someone who is
Speaker 3: a songwriter so I could observe the craft, So that
Speaker 3: was always like, that's like how I grew up. I
Speaker 3: would go with my mom, she'd play shows and just
Speaker 3: put me in the guitar case as a baby. So
Speaker 3: I think how you're raised you view as normal until
Speaker 3: you go out into the world and realize maybe some
Speaker 3: of the things are not normal.
Speaker 2: Like I thought it was normal. This is pretty embarrassing.
Speaker 3: I thought it was normal to bathe your body.
Speaker 2: In bleach occasionally, okay.
Speaker 3: Until I got my first boyfriend and he was like,
Speaker 3: the fuck are you doing? And I was like, it's
Speaker 3: my normal weekly bleach bath and he was like, what
Speaker 3: the fuck are you doing? So I didn't realize it
Speaker 3: was strange until someone told me it was strange.
Speaker 1: What made you think it was normal? By the way,
Speaker 1: for the record, I'm not saying get abormal. Your mother
Speaker 1: said you need to bathe in bleach at least once
Speaker 1: a week.
Speaker 3: Well, if you go run through the fields of Tennessee,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of poison Ivyes, so this is according
Speaker 3: to my mother, not a doctor. Not a doctor, not advice. Okay,
Speaker 3: But then she'd be like, oh, if you think you
Speaker 3: ran through the poison'd you just like bleach your body?
Speaker 1: So you just did it weekly?
Speaker 3: Well I was a kid, I was like, well, my
Speaker 3: mom knows what she's talking about. Turns out not so sure.
Speaker 3: Parents all like no, everything they're talking about, which is
Speaker 3: an interesting thing you learn when you grow up.
Speaker 2: Is it your parents are just people?
Speaker 1: Which goes back to what you said earlier. We're all
Speaker 1: a bunch of babies.
Speaker 2: We're all a bunch of babies.
Speaker 1: The reason why that resonates with me as well is
Speaker 1: when my father was ninety two years old and he
Speaker 1: was about to leave us in this in this form,
Speaker 1: he looked at me and said, here's what I want
Speaker 1: to tell you, and I said, what's that? Dad? He said,
Speaker 1: you never grow up? He said, you look at me
Speaker 1: as your father. You used to think I had all
Speaker 1: the answers. You used to think that I was there
Speaker 1: to protect you because I could protect you against anything.
Speaker 1: I couldn't. I never could. He said. You will learn
Speaker 1: is to the day you leave this planet, this body
Speaker 1: does anyway. You don't know it all. You don't have
Speaker 1: all the answers. You get scared. He says, I still
Speaker 1: get scared. He said, I'm sitting here right now. I
Speaker 1: know what's about to happen to me. He said, I'm scared.
Speaker 1: He said, you need to understand that. It reminds me
Speaker 1: of what you just said. We're all a bunch of babies.
Speaker 1: We are.
Speaker 3: You're all infants, and just like having compassion for your
Speaker 3: own baby self and other people as the giant babies
Speaker 3: that they are, we're all just kind of doing our
Speaker 3: best and try and act like adults. It just made
Speaker 3: me view the world in a really compassionate way, like
Speaker 3: when you're a singer. Sometimes I say, picture the audience naked.
Speaker 3: I just picture a sea of babies.
Speaker 1: Okay, naked babies, No, just asking asking for a.
Speaker 2: Friend, closed babies.
Speaker 1: All right, let's bring up a couple of things. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about ghosts. I know Conjuring Kesha on Discovery Plus. Yes, right, yes,
Speaker 1: this was what you woke up one day and said,
Speaker 1: I want to do a show called Conjuring Kesha. I
Speaker 1: want to I want to lift lift the hood on
Speaker 1: supernatural fun stuff. And you know people love that shit.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 2: I mean I do too, So I do too.
Speaker 1: Why why do you? What got you interested in?
Speaker 3: Honestly that not to sound like a broken record, but
Speaker 3: I always was like searching for the answers to the
Speaker 3: mystery of life, and I thought, I want to see
Speaker 3: with my own eyeballs if there is something else out
Speaker 3: there that's intangible. And I saw some pretty not explainable
Speaker 3: things while filming the show. And I am fully aware
Speaker 3: that when you watch a show, you're like, probably half
Speaker 3: of this is fake. There's editing, blah blah, blah. I
Speaker 3: made it like my mission statement on the show was
Speaker 3: if nothing happens, if there's no activity, like, I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: the episode is just going to be really boring. But
Speaker 3: we're not gonna fake it because I think it's kind
Speaker 3: of sacred, or I hold it to be sacred. When
Speaker 3: someone's looking to you to see if there is something
Speaker 3: bigger than us out there, I think that's a really
Speaker 3: like it's a big question.
Speaker 1: We need to know that there is something bigger than
Speaker 1: us out there, something as simple as the Grand Canyon
Speaker 1: or something as fantastic as everything.
Speaker 3: You're discussing right you're at realm or the ocean, and
Speaker 3: just the migration pattern of animals, how whales sing to
Speaker 3: each other, they'll echo back songs from across the globe.
Speaker 3: Things like that just bring me solace and make me
Speaker 3: feel like, in a sense, we're being taken care of
Speaker 3: in a way, Like there is a cosmic natural ebb
Speaker 3: and flow, and I see it a lot in nature.
Speaker 3: So that's why I like to I like to travel
Speaker 3: and spend a lot of time in nature and just
Speaker 3: experience all the beautiful wonders of what the earth is.
Speaker 3: It's just like I just find it so beautiful and magical.
Speaker 3: It makes me feel like childlike and.
Speaker 1: It puts us in our place as human beings. I
Speaker 1: do believe. So have you ever been on Safari? I have.
Speaker 3: I went on a camping safari on her thirtieth birthday
Speaker 3: in Kenya and Tanzania. And there were giant hippos rubbing
Speaker 3: up against my mom's tent. Because my mom's like a trooper,
Speaker 3: She's like, oh, fuck you, I'm going.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, campos don't have thumbs, they can't open
Speaker 1: your tent.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, except for hippos are the most dangerous creature.
Speaker 2: Did you know that?
Speaker 1: I did know that. Have you been Tanzania four times? Africa?
Speaker 2: It's incredible?
Speaker 1: It is you know what. And my husband is the
Speaker 1: one who's he works at a zoo. He's worked at
Speaker 1: a zouos since he was a kid. He loves animals
Speaker 1: and he's like, we got to go in Safari. I went.
Speaker 1: It's life change changing and you know, and we talk
Speaker 1: about it on our show a lot, and I say, hey,
Speaker 1: you don't have to be a ka billionaire to go
Speaker 1: to going safari. And I have a good friend who
Speaker 1: is who is a guide in Tanzania as well, and
Speaker 1: it does change your life. It reminds you that you
Speaker 1: are just a tiny little speck, a little baby in
Speaker 1: this world, and you learn so much from these animals.
Speaker 1: But you love whales, you love cats.
Speaker 3: I love I'm like, I'm trying really hard to skirt
Speaker 3: the identity of a crazy cat lady, but I think I'm.
Speaker 2: Failing that own it. I you know what, I I
Speaker 2: do love my cats. Do you have an animal?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, I have two dogs, but I grew up
Speaker 1: with cats, so I'm a cat and dog person, which
Speaker 1: is kind of unusual.
Speaker 2: That's good. It means you have a beautiful heart.
Speaker 1: I love them dogs, you know how it is love dogs,
Speaker 1: love cats, hate people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, same, I totally feel you.
Speaker 3: But I think that like when you love something so unconditionally,
Speaker 3: it's just like it's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1: I agree with that. Whales Wales, the song whale songs? Yeah,
Speaker 1: do you ever just put your headphones on and listen
Speaker 1: to that for all?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, there.
Speaker 3: I've definitely sampled whale songs in my music right underneath tracks.
Speaker 3: Like people won't know it sounds like a synth and
Speaker 3: it's really actually a whale song. I've gone free diving,
Speaker 3: like free swimming with whales in the wild, no captivity,
Speaker 3: like I am here, not no captivity. But in the
Speaker 3: middle of the open ocean near Tonga, there's one of
Speaker 3: the two places in the world you can swim with whales.
Speaker 3: And it's so human the interaction because they come up
Speaker 3: and look you in the eyes. I recently for my
Speaker 3: birthday went and saw orcas. They can just by looking
Speaker 3: at you evaluate your emotional and physical state. I just
Speaker 3: think these sometimes we feel like such hot shit as humans.
Speaker 3: But the instincts of animals, I almost would say, is
Speaker 3: that similar to what psychic power is? Is it just
Speaker 3: more intuitive? Is it just more connected to the earth
Speaker 3: and energy?
Speaker 2: I don't know. This is what I spent all day
Speaker 2: thinking about.
Speaker 1: Well, and we should we should study animals. God knows
Speaker 1: they study us. Oh, I know absolutely. I like dogs.
Speaker 1: For instance, my dogs they'll know. They'll run to the
Speaker 1: door fifteen minutes before Alex gets home from work.
Speaker 2: They know.
Speaker 1: They know.
Speaker 2: Animals know.
Speaker 1: Then some people say, well he gets home at the
Speaker 1: same time every day. They have a built in clock,
Speaker 1: you know. Oh please, cats have like a they have
Speaker 1: GPS built in. You could take a cat four states
Speaker 1: away that cat will get home because they have a
Speaker 1: grid of the planet in their head, they know exactly
Speaker 1: where they are at all times. It's a part of
Speaker 1: what we wish we had.
Speaker 3: Totally, and I think we supplement with like our phones, right,
Speaker 3: But sometimes I get worried that if we have all
Speaker 3: that information externally, we're gonna lose the retention of information
Speaker 3: in our brains. So I try to limit my time
Speaker 3: on social media and stuff.
Speaker 1: You sure there's nothing good out there? I looked for you.
Speaker 1: I give you a pass.
Speaker 3: The past couple of days I have been looking as
Speaker 3: like my guilty pleasure. I like looked up what people
Speaker 3: thought of the music, and then I went down like
Speaker 3: a pedro Pascal, like rabbit hole.
Speaker 1: It's so hot, without doubt, Oh my.
Speaker 2: God, Like it's a problem.
Speaker 1: See you do like me? You do? You fly down
Speaker 1: these holes and you're just like God, before you know
Speaker 1: what it's like an hour later, like what the fuck
Speaker 1: am I to do with my dad? Let's talk about
Speaker 1: tarot cards. I wish we had.
Speaker 2: I wish I brought my deck.
Speaker 1: I mean do you, I mean, how advanced are you?
Speaker 2: No? Not? Not not.
Speaker 3: I just have a collection of decks from like there's
Speaker 3: one deck from the seventies, one of the eighties, and
Speaker 3: then I.
Speaker 2: Just got Alistair Crowley deck and like, so I'm I'm
Speaker 2: trying to get better.
Speaker 3: I'm about to enroll in a course, think about going
Speaker 3: back to school, but like hippie school, to some hippie shit.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll go with you.
Speaker 3: Like, I don't know, I don't know exactly what I'm
Speaker 3: doing in life.
Speaker 1: Where is hippie university?
Speaker 3: Well, I think I'm going to take classes at the
Speaker 3: Philosophical Research Society.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well they've got skulls of dead German murderers up there.
Speaker 1: What can go wrong?
Speaker 2: They're legit that thing.
Speaker 1: It's fun, Okay, terror cards. I had other things. I
Speaker 1: want to talk to you about traveling. You had an
Speaker 1: interesting experience in Iceland. I was there, but I had
Speaker 1: to work. I couldn't get out and enjoy.
Speaker 2: Did you see it like the icebergs?
Speaker 1: I didn't see it. Shame on me. Talk talk to
Speaker 1: me about traveling for you. Why everyone should have a passport?
Speaker 3: I think that it just opens up your perception. It
Speaker 3: opens up the perspective of different culture, different people, different languages,
Speaker 3: and I feel like a more whole person. When I
Speaker 3: see how everything else works, like it inspires the music,
Speaker 3: it inspires the visual, It inspires me to want to
Speaker 3: learn other languages, and inspires me to want to connect
Speaker 3: with other people.
Speaker 2: And I don't know, it.
Speaker 3: Just makes me feel really grateful when I travel. So
Speaker 3: I've been trying to travel as much as my schedule allows.
Speaker 3: But like with this end goal of like when I'm
Speaker 3: old and gray and all things are sagging to my
Speaker 3: knees and no one wants me to romp around on
Speaker 3: stage in a unitard any longer. I kind of am
Speaker 3: trying to figure out how on earth does a woman
Speaker 3: get paid to travel around and just get massages?
Speaker 1: What's that think? The only one asking that question right now?
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I'm putting it out into the world.
Speaker 3: So if anybody out there can think of a way
Speaker 3: where I just get smushed at, like every I'm on
Speaker 3: in the world, right, sign me the fuck up.
Speaker 1: I'm with you, Take me with you. I could go
Speaker 1: on for hours and days with you. I wanted to
Speaker 1: talk about other things, like what's it like later in
Speaker 1: life when you were young and famous? Did it fuck
Speaker 1: you up at all? Be young and famous? Does it
Speaker 1: fuck people up?
Speaker 3: I mean only my experience, but absolutely it's incredibly confusing
Speaker 3: to be like a boss at twenty two when you
Speaker 3: don't know you're face from the hole in.
Speaker 1: Your ass, but you acknowledge it now.
Speaker 2: Yeah I knew it then too.
Speaker 1: I was it was just do you feel like you're
Speaker 1: at the surface yet? I mean, are you out of
Speaker 1: like I'm not a kid anymore? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean I think, as I said, I think I'll
Speaker 3: always be a giant baby, but I feel like a
Speaker 3: little more grounded. I'm a very grounded giant baby, which.
Speaker 1: I love, Ladies and gentlemen, the grounded, the.
Speaker 3: Grounded, most world's most grounded giant baby, giant baby.
Speaker 1: I just love that you spent some time with us.
Speaker 3: And I always love seeing you anything you want. We
Speaker 3: can shoot the shit about whatever you want, whenever you want.
Speaker 1: I just I just love when you merge in because
Speaker 1: I know you're busy, and I know you're busy trying
Speaker 1: to catch a flight to the Africa or where the
Speaker 1: fuck you want to go. I want nothing for you
Speaker 1: but love, peace, magic, travel and and love yourself and happiness.
Speaker 1: And you tell your mama said, hi, I always do.
Speaker 2: She loves you.
Speaker 1: She's like obsessed with you, and what a great gift
Speaker 1: she gave us with you. Oh my gosh, to be
Speaker 1: perfectly honest.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 3: I love you so much. I'm like, I didn't really
Speaker 3: promote the album at all.
Speaker 1: Oh there's an album out.
Speaker 3: I am putting out an album May I'll do all
Speaker 3: the hard work. My album is called gag Order. It's
Speaker 3: out May nineteenth. I worked with the incredible Rick Rubin,
Speaker 3: and it is unlike anything I've ever done, and it's
Speaker 3: unlike anything I've ever heard.
Speaker 1: On a scale of one to ten, ten being the most.
Speaker 1: How much did you have to put this album out? Oh?
Speaker 3: Beyond Yeah, Like my my brain would have exploded. Like
Speaker 3: I'm not even kidding. All this stuff had to come out.
Speaker 3: I think that's how making artworks. It's not necessarily a choice.
Speaker 3: I think you're channeling some sort of source energy that's
Speaker 3: encouraging you to spill your guts all over a page.
Speaker 3: And the intention behind it all is obviously to help
Speaker 3: connect people, because I think that's why we as a
Speaker 3: society are so addicted to our phone and social media,
Speaker 3: because it connects us. So I really just hope my
Speaker 3: music can connect people emotionally so they know they're not
Speaker 3: alone in their emotions. If you want to celebrate with me,
Speaker 3: check out Animal. If you want to like get moody
Speaker 3: and dark, existential and scream, check out gag Order.
Speaker 1: There you have it, gag Order. And I know one
Speaker 1: thing about this album is it has nothing in common
Speaker 1: with your next album. No, because your universe is spinning
Speaker 1: really fast. Oh gosh, thank you so much for being
Speaker 1: here today.
Speaker 2: Yea, love you, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: Love me. Mark fascinating Kesha. I could go on and
Speaker 1: on and on with her. That's the thing about this podcast.
Speaker 1: I only want to have guests. I want to go
Speaker 1: on and on and on for hours with Kesha. Definitely
Speaker 1: an incredible being her album gag Order. Of course you
Speaker 1: can hear all about how she's feeling about life and
Speaker 1: love and lack of love and everything right there in
Speaker 1: the album. She lays it for you, as she just
Speaker 1: did for us on Thinking out Loud. Thank you, Kesha. Hey,
Speaker 1: make sure you subscribe to this podcast wherever you're listening
Speaker 1: to Thinking out Loud, and when new episodes released, they
Speaker 1: pop up on your phone. It'll be a little irritating
Speaker 1: for a second, but it'll juststing for a second. It'll
Speaker 1: go away. Follow me on Instagram at Elvis Duran. You
Speaker 1: can DM me with who you want to be a
Speaker 1: guest on the podcast. Remember they don't have to be celebrities.
Speaker 1: I want to review people that just have a great
Speaker 1: story to tell. That's what it's all about. Review us
Speaker 1: as well. We love reading your No, we don't. We
Speaker 1: don't like reading reviews. Who wrote this review us? If
Speaker 1: you wish, we'd love to see what you're thinking. Until
Speaker 1: next time, Thank you for listening to Thinking out Loud.
Speaker 1: Thinking out Loud is hosted by me Elvis Duran. The
Speaker 1: podcast is produced and edited by Mike Coscarelli. Executive producers
Speaker 1: are Andrew mcglsi and Katrina Norvel. Special thanks to David Katz,
Speaker 1: Michael Kindheart, and Caitlin Madore. Thinking Out Loud is part
Speaker 1: of the Elvis Duran podcast Network on iHeartRadio. For more,
Speaker 1: rate review and subscribe to our show and if you
Speaker 1: liked this episode, tell your friends. Until time, I'm Elvis Durant.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm