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Speaker 1: It's been very, very very successful. But with this podcast,

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Speaker 1: Here we go, listen to this. It's Kesha, Kesha. Where

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Speaker 1: That could be the name of the podcast, Where do

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Speaker 1: Well, no, I mean you shouldn't. You shouldn't have been

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Speaker 3: I've definitely sampled whale songs in my music right underneath tracks.

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Speaker 3: Like people won't know it sounds like a synth and

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Speaker 3: it's really actually a whale song. I've gone free diving,

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Speaker 3: like free swimming with whales in the wild, no captivity,

443
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Speaker 3: like I am here, not no captivity. But in the

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Speaker 3: middle of the open ocean near Tonga, there's one of

445
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Speaker 3: the two places in the world you can swim with whales.

446
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 3: And it's so human the interaction because they come up

447
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Speaker 3: and look you in the eyes. I recently for my

448
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Speaker 3: birthday went and saw orcas. They can just by looking

449
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Speaker 3: at you evaluate your emotional and physical state. I just

450
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Speaker 3: think these sometimes we feel like such hot shit as humans.

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Speaker 3: But the instincts of animals, I almost would say, is

452
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Speaker 3: that similar to what psychic power is? Is it just

453
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Speaker 3: more intuitive? Is it just more connected to the earth

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Speaker 3: and energy?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. This is what I spent all day

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Speaker 2: thinking about.

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Speaker 1: Well, and we should we should study animals. God knows

458
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Speaker 1: they study us. Oh, I know absolutely. I like dogs.

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Speaker 1: For instance, my dogs they'll know. They'll run to the

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Speaker 1: door fifteen minutes before Alex gets home from work.

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Speaker 2: They know.

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Speaker 1: They know.

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Speaker 2: Animals know.

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Speaker 1: Then some people say, well he gets home at the

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Speaker 1: same time every day. They have a built in clock,

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Speaker 1: you know. Oh please, cats have like a they have

467
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Speaker 1: GPS built in. You could take a cat four states

468
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Speaker 1: away that cat will get home because they have a

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Speaker 1: grid of the planet in their head, they know exactly

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Speaker 1: where they are at all times. It's a part of

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Speaker 1: what we wish we had.

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Speaker 3: Totally, and I think we supplement with like our phones, right,

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Speaker 3: But sometimes I get worried that if we have all

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Speaker 3: that information externally, we're gonna lose the retention of information

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Speaker 3: in our brains. So I try to limit my time

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Speaker 3: on social media and stuff.

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Speaker 1: You sure there's nothing good out there? I looked for you.

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Speaker 1: I give you a pass.

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Speaker 3: The past couple of days I have been looking as

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Speaker 3: like my guilty pleasure. I like looked up what people

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Speaker 3: thought of the music, and then I went down like

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Speaker 3: a pedro Pascal, like rabbit hole.

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Speaker 1: It's so hot, without doubt, Oh my.

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Speaker 2: God, Like it's a problem.

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Speaker 1: See you do like me? You do? You fly down

486
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Speaker 1: these holes and you're just like God, before you know

487
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Speaker 1: what it's like an hour later, like what the fuck

488
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Speaker 1: am I to do with my dad? Let's talk about

489
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Speaker 1: tarot cards. I wish we had.

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Speaker 2: I wish I brought my deck.

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Speaker 1: I mean do you, I mean, how advanced are you?

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Speaker 2: No? Not? Not not.

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Speaker 3: I just have a collection of decks from like there's

494
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Speaker 3: one deck from the seventies, one of the eighties, and

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Speaker 3: then I.

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Speaker 2: Just got Alistair Crowley deck and like, so I'm I'm

497
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Speaker 2: trying to get better.

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Speaker 3: I'm about to enroll in a course, think about going

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Speaker 3: back to school, but like hippie school, to some hippie shit.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'll go with you.

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Speaker 3: Like, I don't know, I don't know exactly what I'm

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Speaker 3: doing in life.

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Speaker 1: Where is hippie university?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think I'm going to take classes at the

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Speaker 3: Philosophical Research Society.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well they've got skulls of dead German murderers up there.

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Speaker 1: What can go wrong?

508
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Speaker 2: They're legit that thing.

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Speaker 1: It's fun, Okay, terror cards. I had other things. I

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Speaker 1: want to talk to you about traveling. You had an

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Speaker 1: interesting experience in Iceland. I was there, but I had

512
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Speaker 1: to work. I couldn't get out and enjoy.

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Speaker 2: Did you see it like the icebergs?

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Speaker 1: I didn't see it. Shame on me. Talk talk to

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Speaker 1: me about traveling for you. Why everyone should have a passport?

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Speaker 3: I think that it just opens up your perception. It

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Speaker 3: opens up the perspective of different culture, different people, different languages,

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00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 3: and I feel like a more whole person. When I

519
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Speaker 3: see how everything else works, like it inspires the music,

520
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 3: it inspires the visual, It inspires me to want to

521
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Speaker 3: learn other languages, and inspires me to want to connect

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Speaker 3: with other people.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know, it.

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Speaker 3: Just makes me feel really grateful when I travel. So

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Speaker 3: I've been trying to travel as much as my schedule allows.

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Speaker 3: But like with this end goal of like when I'm

527
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Speaker 3: old and gray and all things are sagging to my

528
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 3: knees and no one wants me to romp around on

529
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 3: stage in a unitard any longer. I kind of am

530
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 3: trying to figure out how on earth does a woman

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Speaker 3: get paid to travel around and just get massages?

532
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Speaker 1: What's that think? The only one asking that question right now?

533
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Speaker 2: I don't know, but I'm putting it out into the world.

534
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 3: So if anybody out there can think of a way

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00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 3: where I just get smushed at, like every I'm on

536
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Speaker 3: in the world, right, sign me the fuck up.

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Speaker 1: I'm with you, Take me with you. I could go

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Speaker 1: on for hours and days with you. I wanted to

539
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Speaker 1: talk about other things, like what's it like later in

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Speaker 1: life when you were young and famous? Did it fuck

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Speaker 1: you up at all? Be young and famous? Does it

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Speaker 1: fuck people up?

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Speaker 3: I mean only my experience, but absolutely it's incredibly confusing

544
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Speaker 3: to be like a boss at twenty two when you

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Speaker 3: don't know you're face from the hole in.

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Speaker 1: Your ass, but you acknowledge it now.

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00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 2: Yeah I knew it then too.

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Speaker 1: I was it was just do you feel like you're

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00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: at the surface yet? I mean, are you out of

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00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: like I'm not a kid anymore? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I mean I think, as I said, I think I'll

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00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 3: always be a giant baby, but I feel like a

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00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 3: little more grounded. I'm a very grounded giant baby, which.

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Speaker 1: I love, Ladies and gentlemen, the grounded, the.

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Speaker 3: Grounded, most world's most grounded giant baby, giant baby.

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Speaker 1: I just love that you spent some time with us.

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Speaker 3: And I always love seeing you anything you want. We

558
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 3: can shoot the shit about whatever you want, whenever you want.

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Speaker 1: I just I just love when you merge in because

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Speaker 1: I know you're busy, and I know you're busy trying

561
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Speaker 1: to catch a flight to the Africa or where the

562
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Speaker 1: fuck you want to go. I want nothing for you

563
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Speaker 1: but love, peace, magic, travel and and love yourself and happiness.

564
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Speaker 1: And you tell your mama said, hi, I always do.

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Speaker 2: She loves you.

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Speaker 1: She's like obsessed with you, and what a great gift

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Speaker 1: she gave us with you. Oh my gosh, to be

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Speaker 1: perfectly honest.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: I love you so much. I'm like, I didn't really

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Speaker 3: promote the album at all.

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Speaker 1: Oh there's an album out.

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Speaker 3: I am putting out an album May I'll do all

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Speaker 3: the hard work. My album is called gag Order. It's

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Speaker 3: out May nineteenth. I worked with the incredible Rick Rubin,

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Speaker 3: and it is unlike anything I've ever done, and it's

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Speaker 3: unlike anything I've ever heard.

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Speaker 1: On a scale of one to ten, ten being the most.

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Speaker 1: How much did you have to put this album out? Oh?

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Speaker 3: Beyond Yeah, Like my my brain would have exploded. Like

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00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 3: I'm not even kidding. All this stuff had to come out.

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Speaker 3: I think that's how making artworks. It's not necessarily a choice.

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Speaker 3: I think you're channeling some sort of source energy that's

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Speaker 3: encouraging you to spill your guts all over a page.

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00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 3: And the intention behind it all is obviously to help

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Speaker 3: connect people, because I think that's why we as a

587
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 3: society are so addicted to our phone and social media,

588
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 3: because it connects us. So I really just hope my

589
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 3: music can connect people emotionally so they know they're not

590
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 3: alone in their emotions. If you want to celebrate with me,

591
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 3: check out Animal. If you want to like get moody

592
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 3: and dark, existential and scream, check out gag Order.

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Speaker 1: There you have it, gag Order. And I know one

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Speaker 1: thing about this album is it has nothing in common

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Speaker 1: with your next album. No, because your universe is spinning

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Speaker 1: really fast. Oh gosh, thank you so much for being

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Speaker 1: here today.

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Speaker 2: Yea, love you, Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Love me. Mark fascinating Kesha. I could go on and

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Speaker 1: on and on with her. That's the thing about this podcast.

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Speaker 1: I only want to have guests. I want to go

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Speaker 1: on and on and on for hours with Kesha. Definitely

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00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: an incredible being her album gag Order. Of course you

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00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: can hear all about how she's feeling about life and

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00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: love and lack of love and everything right there in

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Speaker 1: the album. She lays it for you, as she just

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Speaker 1: did for us on Thinking out Loud. Thank you, Kesha. Hey,

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