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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Ping Proving Grounds Podcast. If you're

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Speaker 1: not watching this on YouTube, you might need to change that.

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Speaker 1: We are in one of the coolest rooms in all

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Speaker 1: You think about champions locker room. There's probably some historical

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is an amazing place and it never gets

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Speaker 1: Not just the story of how they did to win

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Speaker 2: There's some clubs in here.

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Speaker 1: You see Louz Tazan's four irony hitd at the Masters,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is what all the players are out to do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I love the story of the gold putter. If

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's fun to come in here and

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Speaker 2: Weirdest putter, the weirdest putter that's in looks. Yeah, there's some.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're telling me a story about not just him

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Speaker 3: We can do a lot of virtual experiments. What that does.

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Speaker 1: What's the biggest misconception that the general public has about

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Speaker 1: I would say that if there's been a putter designed

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Speaker 1: by anybody at ping Lee, Westwood has used it and

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Speaker 1: potentially won with his walls mostly over herelier you see

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Speaker 1: just about ever design possible.

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Speaker 2: Marty, we're in the vault. Do you have a putter in.

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Speaker 3: The vault, Shane, Yes, I do. I have a putter

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Speaker 3: that I designed. God, that's crazy one. The jas Is

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Speaker 3: that the only one that's in here? Of the crazy one, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think there's two. I think I saw another one.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk about a crazy putter.

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Speaker 1: I mean looking around this thing, and you talk about

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Speaker 3: That's actually the sister of one of our employees, so

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Speaker 3: Louise Freeberg. So yeah, her sister works here and and

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Speaker 3: so yeah, I don't have one yet.

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Speaker 1: I know we're gonna put it that, we're gonna get there.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is, as I said, one of the coolest,

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Speaker 1: craziest rooms in golf. And as someone that's been here

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Speaker 1: you've got to feel honored to just be in here

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Speaker 1: and be able to see all the success that the

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Speaker 1: equipment that Ping has designed over the years, says has created.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is quite fun to kind of look around

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Speaker 3: and see the diversity of all the models and then

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Speaker 3: you have you know, I have some some players like

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Speaker 3: Sevy and Tom Watson, they have the same model in here,

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Speaker 3: but literally, yes, exactly, and that is.

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Speaker 1: Something you see same futterer, Saint Putter's same putter. It

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Speaker 1: is quite crazy. Well, I'm Shane Bacon. That is Marty

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Speaker 1: Jerts and this is the Ping Proving Grounds Podcast