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Speaker 2: on air a few seconds ago, we do have an update.

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Speaker 2: Game three in Indianapolis. Boston won twelve Indiana one eleven.

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Speaker 2: Indiana had the ball under ten seconds to go. They

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Speaker 2: force a time out. Andrew Nemhart, who has been phenomenal

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Speaker 2: tonight thirty points for the guard out of Gonzaga, turns

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Speaker 2: the ball over himself. Celtics get the ball back. Drew

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Speaker 2: Holliday fouled. They're at the clock. Look you're trying to

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Speaker 2: figure out the exact time left on the clock. But

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Speaker 2: Drew Holliday will go to the foul line. Celtics up

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Speaker 2: one under two seconds to go. I know they can

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Speaker 2: advance the ball to half court. Chas and Martin. But

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Speaker 2: it looks like the Celtics might survive a game where

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Speaker 2: they've essentially trailed.

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Speaker 3: The entire second half. How are you, j mart what's

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Speaker 3: going on?

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Speaker 1: Buddy? Doing pretty good? Yeah, this has been fun, more

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Speaker 1: fun than you expected. With Tyres Haliburton out of the game,

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Speaker 1: we've been kind of texting about it off and on throughout.

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Speaker 1: There'll be talk after this as to whether or not

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Speaker 1: Dreu Holliday, who just got that steal off and them

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Speaker 1: Hart fouled him to get the ball because he didn't

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Speaker 1: really touch the ball from what I could see. I

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Speaker 1: need to see it again, I guess, but definitely look

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Speaker 1: like a foul and it's going to determine the game here,

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Speaker 1: one would think. But this is we knew this already.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Boston is the best team in the East.

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Speaker 1: They should win the championship. All of these things. We've

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Speaker 1: heard this now for weeks and weeks and week and weeks.

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Speaker 1: It's one of the reasons why we have said on

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Speaker 1: this show, and we've said to each other privately as well,

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Speaker 1: that Celtics are kind of boring. They're just sort of dull,

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Speaker 1: even though they end up playing exciting games. Game one

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Speaker 1: was exciting. This game is exciting. Pacers arguably if they

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Speaker 1: could finish, would be up two games to one if

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Speaker 1: everything had played out the same, Because if you don't

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Speaker 1: let Jaylen Brown take that three in Game one to

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Speaker 1: send that game to overtime, you know, Indiana probably should

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Speaker 1: have won that ballgame. Game two, no, But then you

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Speaker 1: look at this one. This is one they fled still

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Speaker 1: through their fingers, even without their star out there. But

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Speaker 1: this is this is this is what the better team

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Speaker 1: is supposed to do. Just find a way to win,

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Speaker 1: even if it turns out to look kind of unimpressive.

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Speaker 1: But I can't like fault this effort from Boston and

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Speaker 1: give credit to the MAVs for doing basically the same

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Speaker 1: thing last night, coming back in a situation except for

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Speaker 1: the fact that Boston was so heavily favored in a

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Speaker 1: weaker conference. That's really the only thing here. But again,

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Speaker 1: they'll be talk about that last play even though it isn't,

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Speaker 1: you know, fully over just yet. But Boston's gonna win

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Speaker 1: the series whether they win this game or not.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're still checking the clock, but one point seven

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Speaker 2: is what remains, so they have They're done checking the clock.

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Speaker 3: The Drew Holliday is at the foul line.

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Speaker 2: Celtic's up one with one point seven seconds to go,

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Speaker 2: and obviously we'll keep this down the stretch here, keep

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Speaker 2: you posted. It is worth noting, by the way, as

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Speaker 2: we've kind of referenced a few times, Celtic's trailed by

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Speaker 2: by nine going into the fourth quarter, so they now

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Speaker 2: point lead with one point seven seconds left, Indiana does

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Speaker 2: have a timeout. They can't advance the ball, so we'll

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Speaker 2: see if they can force it overtime. But yeah, jaymart,

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Speaker 2: you know we can do the full postgame reaction once

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Speaker 2: this game goes final. I don't know what else there

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Speaker 2: is to say. I mean, you can't fault Indy for

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Speaker 2: being there. You know, it's weird. I'll say this is

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Speaker 2: that it. You know, it's interesting because we were on

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Speaker 2: never felt like Dallas wasn't going to win that game.

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Speaker 2: And with this game, yes, I will admit that. You know,

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Speaker 2: down three. But I'll be honest, even when Indy was

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, what was it I sent you? I

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Speaker 1: sent you a text in a second quarter I said,

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Speaker 1: this is pretty embarrassing for Boston, but I'm waiting for

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Speaker 1: Indiana to run out of gas, because when you don't

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Speaker 1: can score. I mean, Indiana's been able to score all

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Speaker 1: year long. They're an impressive offensive team, and they were

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Speaker 1: impressive in this game. But eventually, is this like adrenaline

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Speaker 1: Boston's definitely gonna win now. But I even told you

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Speaker 1: When they were up eighteen, that was one thing, but

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Speaker 1: similar to when similar to what we saw with Dallas

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Speaker 1: Tatum had a good game, a Tomzi disappeared, but he

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Speaker 1: showed up when they needed him. Horford made some big

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Speaker 1: By the way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Indiana runs a clever play out of bounds

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Speaker 2: which trailed by twelve at the half and nine going

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Speaker 2: into the fourth quarter, does rally to win this game.

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Speaker 2: Final score in Indianapolis, the Boston Celtics do take care

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Speaker 2: of business against the Indiana Who's Indiana Hoosiers Indiana Pacers

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Speaker 2: one fourteen, one eleven.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, it's weird.

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Speaker 2: It's just again, I keep going back to what I

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Speaker 2: just said a minute ago was and I think what

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Speaker 2: you said is right, Jason is I think they ran

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Speaker 2: out of gas, the Indiana Pacers. But I also it

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Speaker 2: felt like they were playing a little bit tight late

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Speaker 2: have an all star arising star in Tyrese Halliburton is

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Speaker 2: you know Andrew Emhard who was so good, look like

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Speaker 3: To do too much.

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Speaker 2: It looked like there was quite a bit of guys

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Speaker 2: playing defense on the other end. But Boston does survive

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Speaker 2: Game three. There are now up three to zero after

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think that it wasn't as much

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Speaker 1: we got to stop turning the ball over so much.

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Speaker 1: And he's right him specifically one thing about Seakam. I

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Speaker 1: have observed this throughout this postseason. Like he's done a

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Speaker 1: lot of good things, and he scored a lot of points,

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Speaker 1: when he's scoring, it looks like it looks like it's wrong.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know, I don't really know what to

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Speaker 2: add there, but I would you have you seen that too.

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Speaker 2: He looks weird watching him play, like a gangly deer

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Speaker 2: that just like came out of his mom's womb. And

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Speaker 2: you know, he does kind of have that like little

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Speaker 2: notice it. I didn't really notice it when he was

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Speaker 2: not having Tyrese Halibur and he felt like he had

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Speaker 2: to do more. Pascal Siakam nine of eighteen shooting in

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Speaker 2: thirty six minutes. It's but I think the point of

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Speaker 2: the point of something clearly was not right in the

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Speaker 3: How about this Jason thirty eight.

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Speaker 2: Points for the Indiana Pacers in the second quarter as

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Speaker 2: they take a twelve point lead into the half. Forty

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Speaker 2: two total points in the second half. So that kind

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Speaker 2: of speaks to what we're talking about. Whether it was nerves,

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Speaker 2: whether it was no Tyrese halliburt, and whether it was

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Speaker 2: running out of gas, whether it was whatever, the Pacers

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Speaker 2: just did not do enough. And I think to your

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Speaker 2: point it's well taken, is like they were in control,

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Speaker 2: you know in this game.

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Speaker 3: Obviously could have won in Game one.

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Speaker 2: But they are now trailing three as the Boston Celtics

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Speaker 2: will try to close things out on Memorial Day Monday. Jason,

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Speaker 1: Life. The only thing that I might add is that

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Speaker 3: You know what this is?

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Speaker 2: This is karma for Purdue getting all those calls during

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Speaker 2: college basketball season in the same state. No, I'm kidding,

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: I'm over, and I'm just giving him a hard time.

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Speaker 2: Of course, there's probably a lot of Pacers, Indiana pacers,

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Speaker 2: Tireck dot com studio is totally kidding, by the way,

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Speaker 2: But do.

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Speaker 3: Want to come back, Jason?

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Speaker 1: Do think?

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Speaker 2: Like I said, there's probably a bigger picture conversation about

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Speaker 2: in Indian app Appolis, Game three of the Eastern Conference Finals.

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Speaker 2: The Boston Celtics get the one seventeen one fourteen win

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Speaker 2: despite one fourteen, one to eleven. Excuse me when they

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Speaker 3: With the victory, they are obviously now up three to Oh.

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Speaker 2: You know what, the Celtics kind of remind me. And

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Speaker 3: You're playing really well.

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Speaker 2: If you're the Ravens, you beat the San Francisco forty

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Speaker 2: Now they lose their best player, You're probably gonna sweep

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Speaker 1: and then you look at this Western Conference series and

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Speaker 1: that's taken a toll on whoever comes out of that series. Boston, Chacruz,

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Speaker 1: everything is it is right there, like if you were

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Speaker 1: to look at it and just say, what would be

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Speaker 1: the best way for us to find our way to

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Speaker 1: a championship. You're not going to see Joannis, You're not

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Speaker 1: going to see Lebron Anthony Davis. You're not gonna see

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Speaker 1: Kevin Durant. You're not gonna see Steph Curry. You're not

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Speaker 1: going to see nicolea. Jokic. You're not going to see

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Speaker 1: Jamal Murray. You're not going to see any of these guys.

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Speaker 1: You're going to have an opportunity that I don't think

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Speaker 1: this happens again for them if they don't win this

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Speaker 1: year if the pathway is harder for them next year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And maybe that's where the Ravens analogy is is

446
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Speaker 2: that I listen, I don't think the Ravens are ever

447
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Speaker 2: gonna have a better pathway and a better opportunity. They

448
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Speaker 2: didn't take advantage, they were at home whatever. But that

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Speaker 2: was kind of the point that I was trying to make,

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Speaker 2: is that if you don't do it now and by

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Speaker 2: the way again, and you're also going to be face

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Speaker 2: seeing a team with a huge core of players that

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Speaker 2: has never been on that stage when you have been,

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Speaker 2: of course, playing in the NBA Finals two years ago.

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Speaker 2: Tell you what, Jason, I have one more Celtics related

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Speaker 2: question that I do want to get your thoughts on.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to that next Before we do, though, first

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Speaker 2: time this evening, let's get it to the news desk

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Speaker 2: to Sega. What's trending? Hello, gentlemen.

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Speaker 7: You guys talked about the Celtics, if not now when

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Speaker 7: I have thought going into this postseason kind of the

462
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Speaker 7: same thing, and that's just been reaffirmed as the weeks

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Speaker 7: go along in this postseason, and the Celtics are on

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Speaker 7: the doorstep up three games to none in the East

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Speaker 7: Finals after winning at Indiana one fourteen one eleven. Great

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Speaker 7: game from Jason Tatum. He had thirty six points, ten rebounds,

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Speaker 7: eight assists, and no turnovers. Tatum's rookie year with the

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Speaker 7: Celtics was twenty eighteen. They had made the conference finals

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Speaker 7: the year before and lost to Cleveland. In his rookie year,

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Speaker 7: they made the conference finals again and lost a game

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Speaker 7: seven to Cleveland. Then in twenty twenty made the conferences

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Speaker 7: and lost to Miami in the Bubble. Twenty twenty two,

473
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Speaker 7: finally won a game seven to win the Eastern Conference,

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Speaker 7: but lost the NBA Finals to Golden State. Made the

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Speaker 7: conference finals again last year, lost to game seven to Miami.

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Speaker 7: They're obviously going to win the conference finals this year.

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Speaker 7: You could make a case that, going back to Brad

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Speaker 7: Stevens's coach over nearly a decade now, they should have

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Speaker 7: won a title or two by this point.

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Speaker 2: Well, and I mean you're talking about thinking about that.

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Speaker 2: The first year this corps got to an Eastern Conference finals,

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Speaker 2: Lebron was in Cleveland and that was who was standing

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Speaker 2: in their way.

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Speaker 3: That shows you how long this core has been together.

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Speaker 2: By the way, a couple of caveats including and I

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Speaker 2: know you know this to Sega, but last year, remember.

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Speaker 3: Miami was an eight seed.

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Speaker 2: Like it's not like we think of Miami as heat culture,

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Speaker 2: and it's like Miami was an eight seed and they

490
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Speaker 2: kind of punked in the Eastern Conference finals.

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Speaker 3: I don't mean to cut you off to Saga Bath though.

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Speaker 7: It was fifty seven wins for Boston last year and

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Speaker 7: sixty four wins for Boston this year, so I'm waiting.

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Speaker 7: I mean, it's a talented team. It's fun to see

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Speaker 7: talent on the court. This is the year they've got

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Speaker 7: to finally cash in. Great stat on the great night

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Speaker 7: that Jason Tatum have, ap pointing out that in the

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Speaker 7: last forty years of playoff games to do what he

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Speaker 7: did tonight and have no turnovers had only been done once.

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Speaker 7: To have thirty points and ten rebounds and at least

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Speaker 7: eight assists and no turnovers in this playoff game. The

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Speaker 7: only other guy that had those numbers all of the

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Speaker 7: same night was Baron Davis over twenty years ago.

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Speaker 3: Just of course I remember that.

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Speaker 7: Who could forget the TV ratings were very good to

506
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Speaker 7: start this series, by the way, as Boston had that

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Speaker 7: game one comeback and the overtime win at home. That

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Speaker 7: was for Game one against Indiana, an audience estimated at

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Speaker 7: six point four million viewers. It was down to five

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Speaker 7: point six million for the Game two home victory. But

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Speaker 7: compare that to hockey, which has been getting two million

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Speaker 7: viewers for the East Final, and that's New York Rangers

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Speaker 7: against Florida. In fact, on the ESPN networks for the

514
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Speaker 7: Stanley Cup playoffs in general so far this postseason, they

515
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Speaker 7: are averaging under one point three million viewers in this country. Well,

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Speaker 7: we had a Game two of the NHL's West Final

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Speaker 7: at one seed Dallas tonight. The game was one to

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Speaker 7: one for quite some time after two early goals in

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Speaker 7: the contest. Dallas wins three to one over Edmonton, tying

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Speaker 7: up the Western Conference Final at a game apiece. Golfer

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Speaker 7: Grayson Murray died this morning at the age of thirty.

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Speaker 7: No details given. He had opened this season with a

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Speaker 7: victory in Hawaii in a playoff, getting him into the

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Speaker 7: top fifty in the world ranking. Tennis's French Open starts tomorrow.

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Speaker 7: NASCAR's Coca Cola six hundred is Sunday night on Fox TV.

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Speaker 7: Ty Gibbs earned his first career poll. The Indy five

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Speaker 7: hundred is scheduled for tomorrow. Thunderstorms are expected there as

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Speaker 7: for late night Major League Baseball and early home run

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Speaker 7: for Aaron Judge, fourth straight game for him doing that.

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Speaker 7: Yankee still lead the Padres for nothing its bottom of

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Speaker 7: the seventh inning, Guardians holding on four to three over

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Speaker 7: the Angels in Anaheim. Bottom of the seventh. Rockies lead

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Speaker 7: the Phillies three to two in the bottom of the eighth,

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Speaker 7: and there's a game on a f ass one right now.

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Speaker 7: Top of the six Diamondbacks a three to one leader

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Speaker 7: against the Mark. Kansas City won it's eight straight game

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Speaker 7: and eleven inning victory at Tampa Bay seven to four.

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Speaker 2: Back to you, thank you very much, Steve the Seger,

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports Saturday Night Era towards Jason

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Speaker 2: Martin broadcasting live from the Tireck dot Com studios. As

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Speaker 2: the Sager just told you, as we've been talking about

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Speaker 2: all our Boston takes Game three of the Eastern Conference

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Speaker 2: Finals one fourteen, one eleven. And really the only other

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Speaker 2: question I have for you, Jason on this game and

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Speaker 2: really this series and the Celtics. I mean, listen, Boss

546
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Speaker 2: is up three to zero. They're gonna win this series,

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Speaker 2: and we just talked about how they would potentially match

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Speaker 2: up with either Dallas or Minnesota, and equally as important,

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Speaker 2: you know what happens if they don't win? And my

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Speaker 2: question for you is what happens if they don't win?

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Speaker 2: Because I'll say this is that And I've said this

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Speaker 2: many times, Jason is I believe too often, too quickly,

553
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Speaker 2: NBA teams feel like they have to blow things up

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Speaker 2: when things go bad. I mean, I keep making the reference,

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Speaker 2: but the Phoenix Suns last year, you know, they lose

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Speaker 2: in six to Denver in Round two, and it feels

557
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Speaker 2: like a disaster.

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Speaker 3: You know, they blow it up.

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Speaker 2: They obviously keep Katie and Devin Booker and basically everybody

560
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Speaker 2: else is new, and it's like, well, you look back

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Speaker 2: in hindsight, and the Lakers get swept in the following

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Speaker 2: round in Miami, takes one game off of Denver, and

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Speaker 2: Denver rolls to a finals, and it's like, I don't

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Speaker 2: I think if the Suns had largely run it back,

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Speaker 2: they're probably in a little bit better shape today than

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Speaker 2: they are than they are now with the current roster construction.

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Speaker 2: So I bring that up as a caveat to say

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Speaker 2: that I think too many teams too often feel the

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Speaker 2: need to blow it up when things don't go in

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Speaker 2: the well in the playoffs. But to the Sager's point,

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Speaker 2: this corps has been together since the twenty seventeen to

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Speaker 2: twenty eighteen season. This would be the second finals appearance

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Speaker 2: for this group. This would be, I believe, if I

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Speaker 2: have my math correct, one, two, three, four, five Eastern

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Speaker 2: Conference Finals appearances as well, and it would.

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Speaker 3: Be a second finals appearance.

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Speaker 2: But if they don't win, and let's say it's not close,

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Speaker 2: let's say it is Dallas, and let's say you know,

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Speaker 2: Dallas just has their number and Dallas wins in five,

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Speaker 2: would that cause would you say, Okay, you won sixty

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Speaker 2: four regular season games, cruised to the number one seed

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Speaker 2: in the East, and made it to the finals. We

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Speaker 2: got to run it back largely as is, or if

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Speaker 2: they were to lose again, a fifth conference finals of

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Speaker 2: this era, a second finals without a championship, do you

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Speaker 2: think drastic change would have to be made?

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Speaker 1: No, I don't. I mean I think that I think

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Speaker 1: I was wrong last year when I felt like you

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Speaker 1: should have let Jayleen Brown go, because now I actually

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Speaker 1: I feel like Jayalen Brown. There's a toughness factor in him.

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Speaker 1: There's a way that I've just been impressed with how

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Speaker 1: he's played, especially in the postseason. I've kind of turned

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Speaker 1: around on him. I think I actually like him more

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Speaker 1: than I like Tatum at this point. I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: as the better player, but as the guy that I

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Speaker 1: think i'd want to go to war with on a

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Speaker 1: consistent basis. I think it might be jaywin Brown because

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Speaker 1: in the toughest moments, I think I trust him a

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Speaker 1: little bit more. But no, I think if they lose again,

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Speaker 1: you tweak it around the edges a little bit, you

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Speaker 1: make a couple moves. I mean, Drew Holliday just got

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Speaker 1: there and he's been a great addition for him, right,

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Speaker 1: But it's not like you're gonna get rid of Derek

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Speaker 1: White if you can as long as and I'm not

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Speaker 1: looking at I don't have the finances in front of him,

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Speaker 1: so I don't know the contracts. I'm just looking at

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Speaker 1: it overall from a thirty thousand foot view, there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of those guys that you don't get rid of.

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Speaker 1: I don't think, because I don't think that there are

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Speaker 1: factors in why you're losing, then there are a few

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Speaker 1: pieces that I think you can shift around. That's what

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Speaker 1: you do. You take the secondary guys and you see

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Speaker 1: if you can improve them. I don't know that you

614
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Speaker 1: need another star level player. You just might need to

615
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Speaker 1: get better at a couple of spots for your second unit.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you can find a way to give Tatum more

617
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Speaker 1: rest or Jaylen Brown more rest or something like that.

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Speaker 1: Horford might retire at the end of the year one

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Speaker 1: way or the other. So might be a problem that

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Speaker 1: fixes itself when it comes to having to bring in

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Speaker 1: some more youth or something like that. I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's a Mazola problem. I don't think that you go

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Speaker 1: blow this up. I don't feel like, oh, well, they're

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Speaker 1: just never going to get it done. I feel like

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Speaker 1: you're too close at this point, and you already see

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Speaker 1: success enough that I don't think that it's well, we've

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Speaker 1: done all we can with Tatum and Brown and these. No,

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's that way at all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I tend to agree with you is that I

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Speaker 2: did come into the playoffs thinking like, Okay, if it

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Speaker 2: doesn't happen this year, it might be time to reevaluate

632
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Speaker 2: some things. But I think if you get to an

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Speaker 2: NBA finals and the other thing too, which like it

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Speaker 2: shouldn't be a reason, but maybe it should be, like

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Speaker 2: why you kind of run it back. Even if let's

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Speaker 2: just say it goes really bad against Dallas or whoever,

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Speaker 2: and let's acknowledge that to your point, Denver would be

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Speaker 2: a really bad matchup for them, Dallas would have in

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Speaker 2: that point won an NBA title, even if it's Minnesota whatever.

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Speaker 2: I do still think the fact that the East is

641
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Speaker 2: largely a cluster I think has to factor in, right,

642
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Speaker 2: is that you just can't make sweeping changes. And I

643
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Speaker 2: think it'd be an interesting conversation because you run it back,

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Speaker 2: you run it back, you run it back, you know,

645
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Speaker 2: with the definition of insanity doing the same thing over

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Speaker 2: and over and expecting a different result.

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Speaker 3: But look at these playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Is that you know, the Knicks were a feel good story,

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Speaker 2: but I don't think any of us think that the

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Speaker 2: Knicks actually matched up even reasonably well with the Boston Celtics.

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Speaker 2: The Bucks are just it's weird over there, man, It's weird.

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Speaker 2: Is it a doc thing?

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Speaker 1: Is it?

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Speaker 3: Ay honest thing?

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Speaker 1: Is it? You know?

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Speaker 2: Dame maybe has passed his prime whatever. So I guess

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Speaker 2: I you know, it's a boring response, but I actually

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Speaker 2: do happen to agree with you? Is I just think

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Speaker 2: that there really is nothing, you know, I think you

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Speaker 2: have to run it back with this core.

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Speaker 3: Even if things don't go well.

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Speaker 1: I just don't know what you do to make yourself

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Speaker 1: better than you are right now. I think that's that's

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Speaker 1: I just got to say, what do you do in

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Speaker 1: place of what you have? They get you closer than

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Speaker 1: you already were. And I don't think the answer exists.

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Speaker 1: I don't think the free agents exist that you could

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Speaker 1: bring in. I'm gonna take these two guys out. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to bring these two guys in. I don't think

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Speaker 1: that gets you any closer.

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Speaker 2: No, I agree, and especially too. I think the other

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Speaker 2: thing is, you know, just Drew Holliday has been such

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Speaker 2: a net positive idea always Yeah, and you know I

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Speaker 2: so then it comes down to, okay, who are you

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Speaker 2: getting rid of if that's the case. And then obviously, look,

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Speaker 2: there are finances, and the one thing you know, we've

677
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Speaker 2: we've all learned in sports is finance. You know. They

678
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Speaker 2: everybody always figures out a way if something needs if

679
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Speaker 2: a change needs to be made.

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Speaker 3: You can always find a way.

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Speaker 2: But I kind of agree with you, And it's kind

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Speaker 2: of a moot point tonight because the Boston Celtics are

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Speaker 2: up three to zero in the Eastern Conference Finals. Tell

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Speaker 2: you what, Jason, we'll come back. We'll quickly touch on

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Speaker 2: the Western Conference Finals. Chuck said he thinks it's over.

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Speaker 2: I believe j Mar just said he thinks it's over.

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Speaker 2: But is it really? We'll discuss that next Fox Sports.

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Speaker 8: Radio listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio, Welcome back, everybody,

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Speaker 8: Fox Sports Radio er towards Jason Martin broadcasting live from

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Speaker 8: the Tireraq dot Com studios.

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Speaker 2: So we spent a lot of time in hour one

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Speaker 2: talking Game three Eastern Conference Finals. Boston Celtics win by three.

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Speaker 2: They have a three nothing series lead. We'll look to

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Speaker 2: close things out Monday night, Memorial Day Eve, Jason. But

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Speaker 2: there is of course another series going on in the NBA.

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Speaker 2: The Dallas Mavericks take a two oh series lead on

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Speaker 2: Luca Dogs's three over Rudy Gobert.

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Speaker 1: After putting them on skates.

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Speaker 2: After putting them on skates with less than ten seconds left.

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Speaker 2: J mart you know you mentioned Chuck the old Chuckster

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Speaker 2: the chuck Stop, saying that he believes that the series

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Speaker 2: is over with Dallas up two to oh winning two

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Speaker 2: games in Minnesota.

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Speaker 3: Do you feel the same.

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Speaker 1: Jason, No, I don't think it's over. I'm not willing

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Speaker 1: to go so far as to say it's over because

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Speaker 1: what Dallas just did in Minnesota, Minnesota is capable of

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Speaker 1: doing that to Dallas. I don't necessarily expect that to happen,

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Speaker 1: but I'm not to the point where I think it's over.

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Speaker 1: The problem and everybody on that broadcast said this. In

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Speaker 1: the postgame, Shaq kind of beat around the bush, but

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Speaker 1: he got there. Draymond immediately got there. To his credit,

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Speaker 1: even though he's been oh, he's been Draymond, so some

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Speaker 1: of it's been good, some of it's been bad, but

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Speaker 1: he was dead right about this. Anthony Edwards is beat.

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Speaker 1: He is exhausted. I think Draymond said he hit a wall.

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Speaker 1: He's like they've hit the wall. Anthony Edwards has hit

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Speaker 1: the wall. He's not used to this. He's not used

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Speaker 1: to playing with just one day off, over and over

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Speaker 1: and over, this many minutes, this high intensity, and there

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Speaker 1: was a report I believe that during the second quarter

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Speaker 1: or maybe it was early in the third quarter of

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Speaker 1: that game, Wo actually getting oxygen in the tunnel because

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Speaker 1: he was just that exhausted from what was going on.

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Speaker 1: Not to excuse anything, but just to say, if he

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Speaker 1: can't catch his breath, if that doesn't change, then yeah,

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Speaker 1: this thing is over. I'm just I'm hesitating because I

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Speaker 1: know how talented Minnesota can be, and I've seen them

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Speaker 1: just shoot very poorly in a couple of these circumstances

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Speaker 1: as well. I want to make sure I think Dallas

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Speaker 1: is now going to win the series. But I'm not, like,

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Speaker 1: I'm not willing to call it over, like, oh there's

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Speaker 1: no chance. I don't think that's necessarily the case yet.

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Speaker 1: So I agree with you. You know, you look at

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Speaker 1: these two games. First of all, both games came down

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Speaker 1: to the wire. Dallas wins Game one by three. Dallas

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Speaker 1: wins Game two obviously by one point on that Luka Dancis.

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Speaker 2: Three that we just referenced. But I mean, look, there's

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Speaker 2: a few factors here. I mean, remember Minnesota, did you know, Listen,

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Speaker 2: they won game one in Game two in Denver, but

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Speaker 2: they also lost Game three, Game four last series in Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: So it's not as though they have not lost playoff

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Speaker 2: games at home. I do think it's a little bit

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Speaker 2: of a different deal. But you know, the separation between

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Speaker 2: these two teams has not been very big in the

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00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 2: first two games, and I do think there is you know,

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Speaker 2: it's not like an amazingly brilliant take by by me,

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Speaker 2: but I think there's absolutely something in the Anthony Edwards

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Speaker 2: stuff last night, five of seventeen, shooting twenty one points,

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Speaker 2: six of sixteen in game one. And it's easy to

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00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,479
Speaker 2: forget because they won Game seven, but he was six

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Speaker 2: of twenty four in that game. And I'll say this,

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Speaker 2: I think what it really comes down to, Jason is

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Speaker 2: I hate to say this because I love this about

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Speaker 2: Anthony Edwards. I think a lot of it might just

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Speaker 2: be he plays really hard on both ends of the court,

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Speaker 2: you know, and it's like, you know, there are guys that,

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Speaker 2: you know, even Lebron probably in the tail end of

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00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 2: his Cleveland time now, early in his career, he was

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Speaker 2: really an elite defender. But I think, you know, towards

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Speaker 2: the tail end he kind of picked and show his

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00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 2: spots defensively. Steph has kind of always been a guy

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Speaker 2: that's kind of good at jumping passing lanes. But he's

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Speaker 2: not like an elite on the ball defender. And I

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Speaker 2: think that might be part of what the issue is

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Speaker 2: here with with Anthony Edwards, is just the fact that

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Speaker 2: he plays so hard on both ends of the floor.

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Speaker 2: He was great defensively in that series against Denver, and

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Speaker 2: I do think there's probably something to the fact that

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Speaker 2: it's probably all catching up to him now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean we're gonna see because there's still

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Speaker 1: time in the series. He is only twenty two years old.

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Speaker 1: I saw that excuse being made some people like twenty two,

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00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: what are you talking about. It's like, that's just ignorant.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that could happen to anybody. We've seen it

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Speaker 1: happen to college athletes. But again, I mean, he's playing

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Speaker 1: so hard, and he's playing he was playing at such

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Speaker 1: a high level and he had to in order to

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Speaker 1: get through to the spot where they find themselves in

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Speaker 1: right now. He and he wasn't getting help in the

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00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: last series very much, not what they needed. And so

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Speaker 1: I do think and you're even seeing it, like defensively

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Speaker 1: and kind of the way he's walking up the floor,

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Speaker 1: he just looks tired. He looks demonstrably different than before.

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Speaker 1: And that's something that's gonna have to change. I don't

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Speaker 1: know that it's going to and that's gonna determine whether

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Speaker 1: or not Minnesot's able to get back in the series.

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Speaker 1: The one guy that you have just kind of watched it,

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Speaker 1: like Karl Anthony Towns has been better in this postseason

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Speaker 1: than I expected on a more consistent basis. Nas Reed's

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Speaker 1: been outstanding. Yeah, nas Reed has every bit that whole

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Speaker 1: six Man of the Year thing. Yeah, pretty much. I

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Speaker 1: mean without him last night, I don't know what they

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Speaker 1: had because when the MAVs started doing their thing, it

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Speaker 1: was nas Reed that kept them in the game.

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Speaker 3: He won. I forget which game it was.

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Speaker 2: Uh was it game one of the games like he

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Speaker 2: was great, unreal man in a couple of the games

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Speaker 2: against against Denver last round.

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Speaker 3: I think it was maybe Game two. I want to say,

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Speaker 3: I can't remember.

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Speaker 2: There was one game where he was like unbelieva he

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Speaker 2: scored like I think it was. I think it was

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Speaker 2: Game two, and I think you and I were coming

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Speaker 2: on air after that game. I could be mistaken. Maybe

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Speaker 2: it was Game one where he had like fifteen points

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Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter or something like that. So no,

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Speaker 2: I agree on Minnesota, and I do think by the way,

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Speaker 2: you know, what you said earlier about the Celtics, I

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Speaker 2: think is applicable here, which is that styles make fights.

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Speaker 2: And I just think the size of Denver was actually

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Speaker 2: played into Minnesota's advantage. But you know, you look at

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Speaker 2: the Minnesota Denver series. Jamal Murray's a little bit banged up.

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Speaker 2: You know, they don't have as much backcourt pop as

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Speaker 2: they did last year. Well this year, you know, or

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Speaker 2: this year is excuse me, you're playing Luca Kyrie obviously

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00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 2: played great in Game one, not so much last night.

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Speaker 3: You know, PJ.

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Speaker 2: Washington's kind of more of a wing, but he's playing well.

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Speaker 2: But I'm with you, man, is that that It does

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Speaker 2: feel like I'm not ready to give up on the series,

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Speaker 2: But I just think at this point it's hard for

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Speaker 2: me to think that Minnesota can come back because we

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Speaker 2: now have really a three game stay ample size, and

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Speaker 2: you could say probably about four of the last five games,

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Speaker 2: Anthony Edwards has really struggled. And it's the most obvious

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Speaker 2: situation ever that if Anthony Edwards is not playing well,

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Speaker 2: the Minnesota Timberwolves have no chance. So Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 2: Aertors Jason Martin, broadcasting live from the tirack dot com studios.

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Speaker 3: Our one is in the books.

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Speaker 2: To quote Arnie Spanier, our one just flow on by,

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Speaker 2: Come back Jason. We'll talk a little Caitlyn Clark, maybe

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Speaker 2: a little Lebron James. A lot to discuss from the

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Speaker 2: week in sports. That's next, Fox Sports. Welcome in everybody,

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Speaker 2: lot of time talking about Game three Stern Conference Finals.

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Speaker 2: As de Seger just told you, the Boston Celtics take

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Speaker 2: a three to zero series lead with a one fourteen,

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Speaker 2: one to eleven win. We'll get back to the NBA momentarily.

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Speaker 2: Should mention, by the way, shortly after the show, our

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Speaker 2: Just search Fox Sports Radio wherever you get your podcasts,

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Speaker 2: and you'll see the show posted after we get off air. So, Jason,

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Speaker 2: one of the unfortunate things, if you want to, if

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Speaker 2: you want to call you know, if you want to

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Speaker 2: call it unfortunate. We're blessed to be on these airwaves

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Speaker 2: once a week. But when you're only on the airwaves

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Speaker 2: once a week, when you get a very polarizing topic,

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Speaker 2: a lot of stuff happened. And let me say this,

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Speaker 2: we've missed about seven different Caitlin Clark news cycles since

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Speaker 2: the last time that we've been on air. You and

862
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 2: I were on air last week. You know, I I

863
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 2: don't even know how much we talked to Caitlyn Clark.

864
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 2: We talked a lot about the story with the Las

865
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 2: Vegas aces. They all got that one hundred thousand dollars uh. Basically,

866
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 2: as you phrased, I think accurately, it was basically an

867
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 2: nil deal, basically an endorsement deal with kind of the

868
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 2: Las Vegas Visitors Bureau, and everybody was all upset and

869
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 2: it's so unfair and blah blah blah blah blah, and

870
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 2: this and that. Well since then, Uh, there's been a

871
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 2: lot in WNBA. Most of it's centering around Caitlyn Clark,

872
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 2: and most of it in a negative capacity.

873
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,919
Speaker 3: I mean, there was the Jammel.

874
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 2: Hill interview with the La Times where she basically insinuated,

875
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 2: and she did insinuate. She said that Caitlyn Clark's race

876
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 2: and sexuality has played a role in her success this year.

877
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: Jime, I didn't know that, but Jamel Hill, huh, never

878
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: would have thought, never would if she would have gone

879
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,399
Speaker 1: down that pathway she did disgrace in.

880
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 3: An interview with the La Times.

881
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you know, she was, you know, once a

882
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 2: pretty well respected you know journalist, didn't dude, No, Lie,

883
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 2: I'm gonna.

884
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: Tell you something that I don't know anybody knows this,

885
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: but back when Clay Travis was still on Fox and

886
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 1: I was his executive producer, he was friendly with Jammel Hill.

887
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: Like this is fairly early on. He thought, you know,

888
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: Jamel was fun. I think she came on the show once,

889
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:14,919
Speaker 1: or we were about to have her on the show.

890
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 3: Get that out of the archives, baby.

891
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, like something. I don't know if she was actually

892
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: on the show or if we were trying to do it.

893
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,720
Speaker 1: But she was like friendly and nice and fun and

894
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 1: like there was not really anything to dislike about Jameel

895
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: Hill at that point in time. Boy, well you had

896
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: a few years and change some things around. If you

897
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: remember that whole Sports Center the sixth thing. Yeah, I

898
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: was punished by Clay by having to watch the six

899
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: and report on it every morning for something that had

900
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 1: happened on air. It was part of a dare and

901
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 1: it was one of the most torturous things I've ever done.

902
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: Like Jamel Hill, you could almost be sure that for

903
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 1: any given topic, you're gonna get the most offensively just

904
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: awful commentary her. She finds a way to take it

905
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: to the same place every time. It is so tiresome.

906
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: It's frustrating, quite frankly.

907
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 2: Well, and it is sad because you know, is that

908
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 2: one like you said, you know, I don't follow her

909
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 2: on social media, and I don't want to make this

910
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 2: whole thing about you know, just just but like she's pretty,

911
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,399
Speaker 2: you know, easy going on a lot of topics, and

912
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 2: then there's something that triggered and what I think is

913
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 2: I guess sad, I don't know. Sad, It's not the

914
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 2: right word. But I mean clearly was at the top

915
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 2: of this profession. And I think what's pretty obvious is

916
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll just say it. I don't care if

917
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 2: I pissed people off. But like, I don't know if

918
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 2: she either didn't have talent, doesn't have talent, or what.

919
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 2: But she keeps going back to this well and it's

920
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 2: the only card she has, you know. I mean, you

921
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 2: look at you know whoever, I can't you know, I'm

922
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,760
Speaker 2: not going to start comparing contrasting. But there are people

923
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 2: that are good at multi mediums and they have careers

924
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 2: that last twenty thirty forty years. They're good on TV,

925
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 2: they're good on radio, they evolve and as you know,

926
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 2: one platform diminishes, they're good on a different platform. And

927
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 2: it's like her, she only makes news when when she's

928
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 2: saying something silly. So what she said was in an

929
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 2: interview with the La Times, she said, we would all

930
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 2: be naive if we didn't think race and her sexuality

931
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,240
Speaker 2: played a role in her popularity, this being Caitlyn Clark.

932
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 2: While so many people are happy for Caitlyn's success, including

933
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 2: the players, this has had such an enormous impact on

934
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 2: the game, there is part of it that is a

935
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 2: little bit problematic because of what it says about the

936
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 2: worth and the marketability. And I think that's the end

937
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 2: of the quote, at least the one that I'm seeing

938
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 2: that led to. And I don't know if you saw this,

939
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 2: did you see what happened on the View shortly shortly

940
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 2: after this? So Sonny Houstin, yes, another one. Yeah, she

941
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 2: actually blocked me on Twitter today because I called her

942
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 2: out anyway, she said, I do think that there is

943
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 2: a thing called this is sunny Houstin on the View,

944
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 2: and I think it was actually kind of piggybacking off

945
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 2: Jamel Hill's comment. Sonny Hostin said, I do think there's

946
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 2: something called pretty privilege. There's a thing called white privilege.

947
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 2: There is a thing called tall privilege, and we have

948
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 2: to acknowledge that. And so part of it is about race,

949
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 2: because if you think about the Britney grinders of the world,

950
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 2: why did she have to go play in Russia because

951
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 2: they wouldn't pay her. So, I mean, first of all,

952
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 2: there's just so much wrong, and you know, it's kind

953
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 2: of sad that one this league finally has a spotlight

954
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 2: on it. But what's kind of sad is there just

955
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 2: appear to be so many people that I don't know,

956
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 2: Like I even look at somebody like Sunny Hostin. I

957
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 2: don't even know why she feels the need to speak

958
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 2: on this like it's not a place from of intelligence.

959
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 2: Brittany Griner broke a law in Russia. That's why she

960
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 2: was arrested. Who's to say that Caitlyn Clark won't play

961
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 2: overseas in the offseason.

962
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 3: It's just really sad.

963
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 2: But then I also think, you know, Jason, there's a

964
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 2: little bit of a silver lining, and that's this is

965
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 2: that there's been so much toxicity I think is the

966
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 2: right way to say it around her. And then I

967
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 2: turn on the game last night and I know she

968
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 2: played again today, Caitlin Clark played. Yeah, she did not

969
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 2: play well against Las Vegas Aces. But I turned on

970
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:26,919
Speaker 2: the game last night, Staple Center, Crypto dot Com Arena, whatever,

971
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 2: nineteen thousand people at Crypto dot Com arena. And so

972
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 2: I think we can get lost in the negative of

973
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 2: all of these headlines beyond the games on the court.

974
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 2: And it's not to say that it's been a seamless transition.

975
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,760
Speaker 2: She has struggled. It's okay, most rookies do in most sports.

976
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 2: But I did look at the game last night and

977
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 2: I said, look, nineteen thousand people were Crypto dot Com

978
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 2: Arena to see Caitlin Clark. By the way, the Los

979
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 2: Angeles Sparks have been playing in Lost Long Beach because

980
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 2: some construction stuff at Crypto. But I bring it up

981
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,720
Speaker 2: because I looked it up today. Los Angeles the Sparks

982
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 2: averaged six thousand people per game at Crypto dot Com

983
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 2: Arena last year. They had three thousand in Long Beach.

984
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 3: The other night.

985
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 2: Nineteen thousand to see Kate Lenclark on Friday night in

986
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 2: Los Angeles.

987
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: Wow. I mean, look, here's what's the truth of the

988
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: matter is, to some degree not everything.

989
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 4: Look.

990
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: Bill Roden had that same kind of article based on

991
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: I mean, not based on what Jamel said, but very

992
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,879
Speaker 1: similar to sort of that Jamel take, maybe not quite

993
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: that far. He did it for The Undefeated, and I

994
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: read it in its entirety. It's not that every bit

995
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 1: of that argument is completely fallacious. It's just there's more

996
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: to it than just that argument, and to limit it

997
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 1: to that, I think does a disservice to everything. But

998
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: there is no doubt, and the question is how long

999
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: it's gonna last. But there is no doubt that she's

1000
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,439
Speaker 1: bringing attention and eyeballs that have just never can about

1001
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: the w NBA before. And we're one of them, no doubt.

1002
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 1: You know, almost everybody on this network is one of them.

1003
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: No offense to the history of the WNBA, but it's

1004
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 1: irrelevant on a large scale. It just is we're paying

1005
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: attention to Caitlin Clark. I don't really care that she's white.

1006
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: I really don't. It's it's it's just a thing. But

1007
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: it's not like she's the first white women's basketball player

1008
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: that I know of. Sue Bird and we can go

1009
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: way down the line and talk about a whole lot

1010
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: of them. And yes, there's also Kandas Parker, and there's

1011
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 1: Shmikah Holt's claw, and there's Cheryl Miller, and there's a

1012
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: number and you know, Rebecca Lobo if you want to

1013
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 1: go the other way, like it's all there, like there's

1014
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: there is stuff that's there. We are not We should

1015
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: never as human beings be reducible to the most basic qualifier.

1016
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: It's like, we are more. I am more than a

1017
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: white male heterosexual. You are more than that. Caitlin Clark

1018
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 1: is more than a white female, heterosexual. But that limits everything.

1019
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: It's such a lowest common denominator, garbage argument. That's the

1020
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: problem with it. The people that are doing this to

1021
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: me in many cases, like I look at Jamail Hill

1022
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: and what we were saying about her earlier, I just

1023
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: feel like it's a grift. I feel like it's all

1024
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: she's got left, apparently because she's smarter than this. She

1025
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: went to Michigan State. Nothing against that school or speaking

1026
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: about it. I don't know about their academics, but I

1027
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,359
Speaker 1: do know that she's done good work at different times.

1028
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: She's written pieces that I've written or that I've read

1029
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 1: that I've found entertaining throughout the years, and things like that.

1030
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: I found her even though I disagree with her a lot,

1031
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: when she was just doing sports opinions on ESPN. That's

1032
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: true with a lot of the people that I watched

1033
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,280
Speaker 1: on ESPN, So it didn't really matter. She had things

1034
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 1: to offer. But for her to go to this place,

1035
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:59,320
Speaker 1: it's just like this is the last refuge of a grift,

1036
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: that's all that's left here. It's so unfortunate right now,

1037
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 1: everybody that cares a lick about the future of women's

1038
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 1: basketball should be doing everything they can to edify and

1039
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: encourage everyone to watch Caitlyn Clark. If they then care

1040
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: about Angel Reese or Atlanta, Boston or whoever it is,

1041
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:22,720
Speaker 1: that's great. You have one shot, you have one athlete

1042
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: that can bring eyeballs, and maybe that turns to something else.

1043
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: I have my doubts, but I also have my doubts

1044
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:29,760
Speaker 1: that we're going to be watching Kaitlin Clark for five years.

1045
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: I think it's going to start to kind of lessen.

1046
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 1: People are going to pay attention, they're going to see

1047
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: how she's doing. But watching games, it's just going to

1048
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: continue to deteriorate. This is when you should be striking,

1049
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: and instead you're creating all these other narratives that are

1050
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: actually harming what you're trying to accomplish.

1051
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 2: Well, one, I don't think there's any doubt. You know,

1052
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 2: there's a saying all publicity is good publicity. I think

1053
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 2: it's an example that's not true. I don't think it

1054
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 2: helps anything in any way by Caitlin Clark or by

1055
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 2: Jamel Hill saying that the only in that we care

1056
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 2: or you know, I lost the quote here, so I'm paraphrasing,

1057
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 2: but that we only care because she's white and because

1058
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 2: of her sexuality. Listen, I just don't agree with that,

1059
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 2: and maybe I'm just off. Okay, First of all, I

1060
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 2: wouldn't know what her sexuality was unless Jamal Hill told me.

1061
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: I don't.

1062
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 2: I'm not an Instagram stalker. I got too much to

1063
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:21,919
Speaker 2: do in my free time. I don't know if there's

1064
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 2: boyfriends on there. I don't know if there's girlfriends on there.

1065
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 3: I don't care.

1066
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 2: To your point about Sabrina and Jescu, Brianna Stewart, you

1067
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 2: go on and on down list, there have been plenty

1068
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 2: of other white stars. Now, what exactly has made Caitlin

1069
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,919
Speaker 2: Clark cross over, I'm not quite sure. I think it's,

1070
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 2: as we've said many times. I think it's the fact

1071
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 2: that it was this perfect storm of you knock off

1072
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 2: South Carolina in the final four, you lose to Angel

1073
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,919
Speaker 2: Reese and Lsu. Angel Reese taunts you, you taught her

1074
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 2: all the main characters come back for another full year,

1075
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 2: all as your setting records. I think the way that

1076
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 2: she plays, she's got a little Steph Curry to her game,

1077
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:01,879
Speaker 2: a lot of Steph Curry to her game. I think

1078
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 2: that's it. But but I just I'll be honest. I'm

1079
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 2: not trying to be I'm not trying to have blinders on. Okay,

1080
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 2: I don't think that. You know, race and sex and

1081
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 2: sexuality plays no role in a lot of things in

1082
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 2: society and even in sport. I can't think of a

1083
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 2: good one off the top of my head. But I

1084
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 2: just maybe I'm just off.

1085
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:25,240
Speaker 1: I don't.

1086
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 2: I really don't think that. I like again, you know,

1087
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 2: I didn't know. I'm I guess she's a heterosexual woman.

1088
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 2: Good for her, not good for her.

1089
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 3: I don't really care.

1090
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter in my world, and it's just hard

1091
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 2: for me to wrap around my head that she's only

1092
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 2: popular because she's a white girl. By the way, let

1093
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 2: me ask you a question, Jason, who's probably the second

1094
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 2: most popular player in the WNBA right now.

1095
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 3: I'd say it's probably Angel Race.

1096
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say, so, she would stuff. She would

1097
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: definitely tell you she is.

1098
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 2: She would then she would then she would claim victimhood

1099
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 2: when when everybody got mad for her being heir. But

1100
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 2: last time I checked, Angel Reese is in a white girl.

1101
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 2: But she's fun, she's full of personality. Obviously, you know,

1102
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 2: she's a very you know, let's be honest, she's a

1103
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 2: beautiful girl. We called her Bayou Barbie when she was

1104
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 2: at LSU. So like again, I just like there are

1105
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 2: times when race and sex and sexuality, like I think

1106
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 2: it plays a role. And maybe I'm totally naive and

1107
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 2: maybe I'm totally missing this. I would acknowledge if it did.

1108
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 2: I just don't think it does because to your point,

1109
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 2: we have, well, to both of our points, we have

1110
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 2: a track record of several high profile white girls coming

1111
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 2: into this league and not having the impact. And at

1112
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 2: the same time, there are a lot of African American

1113
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 2: players that are stars that people care about, headlined by

1114
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 2: her college rival Angel Reese.

1115
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I just I don't think I think

1116
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: you're right about that one point as well, that I

1117
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: don't think the vast majority of people know what her

1118
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: sexuality is and I don't think that it's relevant. I

1119
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 1: don't think it matters, Like I don't know why in

1120
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 1: the world needs to be a thing that needs to

1121
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: be shouted from the rooftops by anybody ever. Like that's

1122
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 1: just my personal perspective. It's like I disagree with your

1123
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: chosen lifestyle, but whatever, right, But when you then jump

1124
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: on top of a roof and tell me that that's

1125
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: all you are when you hang a flag to say

1126
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: that's all I am is what I choose to go

1127
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: to go to bed with. Like again, Caitlin Clark is

1128
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Speaker 1: more than that. Angel Reese is more than that. Samika

1129
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 1: Hols Clause more than that. Rebecca Lobo is more than that.

1130
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes is more than that. Like every athlete in

1131
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:35,919
Speaker 1: every sport is more than that. Every human being out

1132
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: there listening to this better my goodness, I pray sincerely

1133
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 1: that you find yourself to be more important than that

1134
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: one qualification. But that's the problem here, is it's just

1135
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: it's such a weak argument because it reduces everybody to

1136
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: the most basic characteristics, And it's just super unfortunate and

1137
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: wrong that we would do that to anybody. Like, there

1138
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:01,760
Speaker 1: are so many good stories that you could be writing

1139
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:06,359
Speaker 1: right now about this whole scenario, but instead you're trying

1140
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 1: to poke holes in it for the most obvious politically

1141
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 1: biased reasons.

1142
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then one last thought, if Kaitlyn Clark is

1143
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 2: white and is heterosexual and it is bringing fans to

1144
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 2: the league, why is that a bad thing?

1145
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 3: Like that's the other part that I haven't heard anybody

1146
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 3: even it shouldn't be at all. Why.

1147
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 2: I mean, like, this isn't like boxing or something where, like,

1148
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 2: you know, you act tough and you throw a punch

1149
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 2: at the press conference, and that's what's bringing in fans like, Oh,

1150
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 2: Caitlyn Clark's like a four year college graduate and has

1151
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 2: said all the right things and done all the right Like, why.

1152
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 3: Is it a bad like that?

1153
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 2: I haven't heard, Actually, now that I'm thinking about it,

1154
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 2: I haven't heard anybody just bring up that point, even

1155
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 2: if that is the truth, even if her sexuality in

1156
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 2: her race is the reason, why is that a bad thing?

1157
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:58,839
Speaker 2: By the way, if that is the case, I don't

1158
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 2: I don't even I don't want to go much further

1159
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 2: down this path before I say something dumb. But like

1160
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 2: I just I guess that's just my last point, Jason,

1161
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,280
Speaker 2: is I'm failing to see where even if it was true,

1162
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 2: and I don't believe it is, and maybe I'm totally

1163
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 2: missing something, I don't see why that's necessarily a bad thing.

1164
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 2: She's a by all accounts, a good girl, a good person,

1165
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 2: does things the right way, says things the right way.

1166
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 2: Haven't heard anybody say anything negative about how she treats teammates, coaches, fans, whatever.

1167
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 2: So even if that was the case, why is that

1168
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 2: a bad thing? Why is it quote unquote problematic? It

1169
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 2: definitely shouldn't be problematic. The only way that this argument

1170
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 2: can be made, I'll say this real quick, because I

1171
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 2: know we get it to break, But the.

1172
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: Only way this argument should be made is if she

1173
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: stinks out loud and is terrible for a couple of

1174
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: years and she's still the only thing people are talking about. Agreed,

1175
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 1: Then we can have a different discussion about why it

1176
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: is that she's relevant. But she's still riding the high

1177
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 1: for a lot of people with being the first women's

1178
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 1: basketball player they've ever really heard and paid attention to,

1179
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 1: because she was relentlessly pushed because of the narrative that

1180
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 1: came out of last year's NCAA Final four that then

1181
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 1: let into what happened this year. It became a storyline

1182
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: that went through the year. People are turning into Peacock

1183
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: and see her break records and all this because it's happening,

1184
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: it's history, it's something we've never seen before. It's Michael

1185
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: Phelps like, it's Usain Bolt, like it's totally different, and

1186
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:22,919
Speaker 1: it becomes a thing like an eclipse that you have

1187
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: to see. But if she stinks out loud and we're

1188
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: still only talking about her and that's what's being marketed

1189
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 1: all the time, and she's not actually doing anything off

1190
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 1: the court either, sure we can have an argument, but

1191
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: the reason I say that's the only time is because

1192
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 1: I don't think that's gonna happen. If she stinks out loud,

1193
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: we're gonna stop talking about her like we do virtually

1194
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 1: anybody else, unless she becomes a celebrity off the floor,

1195
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 1: which I don't know that that's really what she's in

1196
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: it for.

1197
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it is worth noting, by the way, did

1198
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 2: not play well tonight. They played the Las Vegas Aces

1199
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 2: on Saturday night in Las Vegas, the two time reigning champs.

1200
00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 2: But it is worth noting coming into Saturday after that

1201
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 2: game in Los Angeles, she's averaging sixteen points, seven points

1202
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 2: a game, five and a half rebound, six point two

1203
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 2: assists per game. Now she is turning the ball over

1204
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 2: a lot, but seventeen five and a half and six

1205
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 2: in her first six or whatever professional games, that's not bad.

1206
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 2: Like like you said, like, yeah, if she sticks out loud,

1207
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 2: she's not stinking out loud. Now, is she playing like

1208
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 2: the greatest player ever? No, but listen, I'm not what

1209
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 2: it is. That's what I'm saying. I'm not gonna sit

1210
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 2: here and lie and say that I know how it

1211
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 2: compares to everybody else and Diana Tarazzi's this and Candice

1212
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 2: Parker's first six games, But seventeen five and a half.

1213
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 3: And six does not feel that bad to me to

1214
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 3: start a career.

1215
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio Aertorris, Jays mart We are fired up

1216
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 2: here midnight Eastern talking talk to WNBA.

1217
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 3: Listen.

1218
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 2: You know, maybe it is good publicity because we're fired

1219
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 2: up here on a Saturday night. We'll come back, Jason.

1220
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 2: Do want to get to another certainly interesting topic. We

1221
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 2: talked a little bit about Harrison Bucker last week, and

1222
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 2: there was a very interesting follow up this evening. We'll

1223
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 2: discuss that next. This is Fox Sports Radio.

1224
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 3: Welcome back, everybody.

1225
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio, Aer Tors Jason Martin, broadcasting live from

1226
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 2: the tyreck dot Com studios. Tell you what We went

1227
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 2: a little long in the last segment. So what I

1228
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 2: want to do now? Toss it over the news desk

1229
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 2: to Seger. Tell us what's trending. We'll get to the

1230
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 2: Celtics win in a moment. There is one ball game

1231
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 2: finishing up on FS one. In the top of the

1232
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 2: ninth Arizona is leading three to two over Miami. The

1233
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 2: Yankees have won their fourth in a row, four to

1234
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 2: one at San Diego Aaron Judge Homert for a fourth

1235
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 2: straight game. The Boston Celtics, who in the regular season

1236
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 2: had a record of sixty four and eighteen, are up

1237
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 2: three games to none in the NBA's East Finals now

1238
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 2: after winning at Indiana tonight one fourteen to one eleven.

1239
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 2: Celtics led by eighteen points mid third quarter. Jason Tatum

1240
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 2: finished with thirty six points and no turnovers. Andrew Nemhart

1241
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 2: of the Pacers thirty two points. As Tyrese Halliburton was

1242
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 2: out tonight at least with his strain hamstring. The Pacers

1243
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 2: will host Game four on Monday night with the holiday

1244
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 2: in the WNBA two time defending champion Vegas beat Indiana

1245
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 2: ninety nine to eighty. Indiana's record one and six. Caitlin

1246
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 2: Clark seven assists, six turnovers in the loss. Dallas on

1247
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 2: the ice was tied with Edmonton one to one after

1248
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 2: the first four and a half minutes of game two

1249
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 2: of the West Final tonight. Eventually, Dallas three won the

1250
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 2: final to tie up the series at a game apiece.

1251
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 2: Game three is in Edmonton on Monday night. The Oilers

1252
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 2: had taken the series opener in double overtime, but tonight

1253
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 2: Edmonton went about twelve minutes between shots twice in the game.

1254
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 2: In the East, the number one New York Rangers play

1255
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 2: at Florida tomorrow. That series tied at a game apiece.

1256
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 2: Each team in the last four right now is seeking

1257
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 2: its first Stanley Cup title in at least twenty years.

1258
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 2: That is an NHL first. Tennis is French Open starts tomorrow.

1259
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 2: American Madison Keys won the tune Up tournament in Strasburg.

1260
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 2: Men's number one Novak Djokovic has not won a tournament

1261
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 2: this year. Rafael Nadal, who turns thirty eight next month,

1262
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 2: has a first round match against number four seed Alexander Zverev.

1263
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 2: For Nadal, it could be his final French Open, but

1264
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 2: he wouldn't go so far as to say that out loud.

1265
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 1: Today.

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Speaker 7: NASCAR's Coca Cola six hundred is Sunday night on Fox

1267
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 7: TV from Charlotte. Ty Gibbs earned his first career poll

1268
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 7: the UFL football season continues Sunday on Fox before the Race.

1269
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 7: It's the next to last weekend of that league's regular season.

1270
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 7: Among the two games today, Arlington upset the Saint Louis

1271
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 7: BattleHawks thirty six twenty two. As guys in the fourth quarter,

1272
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 7: Arlington out scored him nine to one. Let's chomp on

1273
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 7: that one a little bit. Apparently it was a return

1274
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 7: of an extra point and that was the one point,

1275
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 7: just for the record. And the other game, Birmingham, which

1276
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 7: is already wrapped up a playoff spot, actually lost eighteen

1277
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 7: to nine at San Antonio. Adrian Martinez. We keep bringing

1278
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 7: up the name. The former Nebraska quarterback has been having

1279
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 7: a good UFL season, but today one touchdown, one interception.

1280
01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 7: He did have five carries fifty six yards. And I

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Speaker 7: must mentioned college softball congratulations Oklahoma State, which has advanced

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Speaker 7: and Arizona. As Aaron can testify anytime Arnie was co

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Speaker 7: hosting on a Saturday night, any team in the athletic

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Speaker 7: department of the Arizona Wildcats, if they were playing during

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Speaker 7: the show, they would lose. Arizona's baseball team is in

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Speaker 7: the Pac twelve title game in Scottsdale, tonight and was

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Speaker 7: being no hit for six innings. They have just taken

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Speaker 7: the lead and won it on the oh my goodness

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Speaker 7: run in the bottom of the ninth Arizona four to three.

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Speaker 7: They have literally just beaten USC to win the back

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Speaker 7: twelve title. This the final national TV game. I assume

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Speaker 7: for any PAC twelve sport. I sent jmrt a tweet earlier.

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Speaker 2: Buddy, well, not a buddy, but somebody I know in

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Speaker 2: the media was covering the event and she posted a picture.

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Speaker 3: Let me find it real quick.

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Speaker 7: PAC twelve network had a semi final and said they're

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Speaker 7: good buys last night.

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Speaker 2: By the way, officially she said this was she's at

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Speaker 2: the game. She said, the PAC twelve is running and

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Speaker 2: everything must go sale. At the final day of the

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Speaker 2: PAC twelve tournament in Scottsdale, everything is listed at five dollars.

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Speaker 3: I could nice, look advisors they did.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I could be wrong, but I think this is

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Speaker 2: like the last official PAC twelve event.

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Speaker 3: I mean I would assume every.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know the tennis schedule or anything like that.

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Speaker 2: Tell you the tennis National Championships were today. Because my

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Speaker 2: buddy Ryan Fowler was tweeting NonStop about some girl from

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Speaker 2: Alabama that was in the championships, so they were already

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Speaker 2: at their nationals, so.

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Speaker 7: He should have been tweeting NonStop about Alabama softball. Do

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Speaker 7: you see how long that went on? For fourteen innings?

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Speaker 7: They won at Tennessee three to two to stay aized.

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Speaker 7: So we've got a bunch of game threes. Are the

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Speaker 7: best of threes tomorrow to see who goes to the

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Speaker 7: World Series.

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Speaker 2: All right, well, I do think it was the last

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Speaker 2: official conference.

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Speaker 1: Wow, what a way to finish.

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Speaker 7: I know, the team that was getting no hit wins

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Speaker 7: four to three with a run on the ninth. Arizona

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Speaker 7: beats usc to win the Pac twelve Baseball crown, by

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Speaker 7: the way, number one in softball. Texas played a wild

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Speaker 7: one and forced a game three tomorrow and nine inning

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Speaker 7: extra inning win nine to eight over Texas.

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Speaker 3: A and M. Thank you very much to Sager.

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Speaker 2: To Saga will be back in just a few minutes

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Speaker 2: to give us his extended update. Again, so much to

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Speaker 2: get into here. On a Saturday, Fox Sports Radio Entertwords

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Speaker 2: Jason Martin broadcasting live from the Tyrek dot com studios

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Speaker 2: alongside Steve Disager.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's do it.

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Speaker 2: Let's give what I think is a little bit of

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Speaker 2: an interesting update, Jason, I thought we had a good

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Speaker 2: conversation on Harrison Butker last week. Really quickly, Mary Mack

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Speaker 2: has a shortened version of some of his comments at

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Speaker 2: a commencement speech.

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Speaker 3: Mary, go ahead and hit what you got.

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Speaker 9: I think it is you, the women who have had

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Speaker 9: the most diabolical lies told to you.

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Speaker 1: How many of you are sitting here now.

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Speaker 9: About to cross this stage and are thinking about all

1343
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 9: the promotions and titles you are going to get in

1344
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 9: your career. Some of you may go on to lead

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01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 9: successful careers in the world, but I would venture to

1346
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:04,120
Speaker 9: guess that the majority of you are most excited about

1347
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 9: your marriage and the children you will bring into this world.

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Speaker 2: There was more, and you know, listen, Jason and I

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01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 2: and everybody has shared their opinion, so we don't have

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01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 2: to get into it, but it's worth noting there was

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Speaker 2: more to that part of the speech. There was also

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Speaker 2: a big part where Harrison Butker basically said that the

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Speaker 2: most important role of a man is to be a

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Speaker 2: good father to his children. So for people who you know, listen,

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Speaker 2: everybody's in time to their opinion. That is a big

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Speaker 2: theme of this conversation, but there was I think a

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Speaker 2: lot more that was than what was reported. But it's

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Speaker 2: been an interesting week, Jason, Because Andy Reid spoke out

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Speaker 2: in defense of Harrison Butker. Patrick Mahomes spoke out in

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Speaker 2: defense of Harrison Butker. The only person we had not

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Speaker 2: heard from at least until Saturday, was Harrison Butker himself.

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Speaker 2: He spoke late Friday at an event. How about this,

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Speaker 2: Jason called the Courage under Fire gala in nash feel

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Speaker 2: very appropriate. Maybe you know a little something about it.

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 2: Jason lives in Nasville, fore people don't know. Here is

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Speaker 2: what Harrison Bucker had to say about his comments and

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Speaker 2: basically what he has gone through the last couple of weeks.

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Speaker 3: It is now, it is now.

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Speaker 2: Over the past few days, my beliefs or what people

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Speaker 2: think I have been the focus of countless discussions around

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Speaker 2: the globe. At the outset, many people expressed a shocking

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Speaker 2: level of hate, but as the days went on, even

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Speaker 2: those who disagreed with my viewpoints shared their their support

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Speaker 2: for my freedom of religion. He continued, It's a decision

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Speaker 2: I've consciously made and one I do not regret at all.

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Speaker 2: So Harrison Bucker asked about his decision, he said, more,

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Speaker 2: don't want a paraphrase, but the important part, it is

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Speaker 2: a decision.

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Speaker 3: I do not regret at all, Jason.

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Speaker 1: Nor should he, And I'm glad that this is what

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Speaker 1: he did because this is what he believes. Now, that

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01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that there are certain beliefs that you can

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Speaker 1: hold that are report warrant that you can learn from

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Speaker 1: and change. But this is his Catholic doctrine is.

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Speaker 2: And he is speaking at a religious college, which is important,

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Speaker 2: but continue, yes.

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Speaker 1: It is. He made a conscious decision to speak to

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Speaker 1: Catholic values at a time when even the Pope arguably

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Speaker 1: has kind of gone against traditional Catholic values. He is

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Speaker 1: standing up there and he is speaking two Catholic students

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Speaker 1: at a Catholic commencement, and he's saying, these Catholic values

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Speaker 1: are important. Please don't lose them. Don't let the world

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Speaker 1: tell you, ladies that you must forego marriage, you must

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Speaker 1: forego being a mother. And if you do choose those things,

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Speaker 1: then you are settling as opposed to No, you're doing

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Speaker 1: the most important thing you could possibly do, and that's

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Speaker 1: for men or women, and that's to have children and

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Speaker 1: raise them. It's the most important thing that you can do.

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Speaker 1: It's the most important possible human thing that we can do.

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01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 1: If he had apologized, does anybody forgive him that's upset

1402
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 1: with him? No? No, This is why none of the

1403
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 1: you know, take the knee and apologize for whatever privilege

1404
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:19,439
Speaker 1: somebody says that you have, or all this kind of stuff.

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01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:22,680
Speaker 1: You don't do it. You can't do it. If you

1406
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 1: don't believe it, then you can't kneel for it. You

1407
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 1: have to stand. And what Harrison Butker said, there was

1408
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Speaker 1: no question, There was no doubt that what he said.

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Speaker 1: And this isn't even about whether or not you believe

1410
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Speaker 1: or agree with what he said. This is flat out

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01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 1: you know, he believed every word that came out of

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Speaker 1: his mouth. So for him to then back down would

1413
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:49,599
Speaker 1: have just made him look weak and feckless. It would

1414
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 1: not in any way have reduced the backlash or the

1415
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:56,679
Speaker 1: outcry from the people that were coming after him already.

1416
01:09:57,200 --> 01:10:00,599
Speaker 1: And you know, you look at you talked about Kelsey

1417
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 1: came out and said he's more than his belief. Mahomes said,

1418
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Speaker 1: I might disagree with him, but he's a great guy.

1419
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 1: Andy Reid is a strong Christian. I don't know about

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Speaker 1: the other two gentlemen I just spoke of so I

1421
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:13,640
Speaker 1: but I do know it for Andy Reid, so it

1422
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Speaker 1: doesn't surprise me in the least that he backed this

1423
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:19,719
Speaker 1: guy as well. It's not just because he's a great kicker,

1424
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:21,800
Speaker 1: But that doesn't hurt I mean, certainly, if he was

1425
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:25,080
Speaker 1: a you know, a terrible backup kicker who was terrible

1426
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 1: in the locker room and everybody hated him, you know,

1427
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 1: they're not going to come stand up for him. But

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01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 1: this speaks to that organization, you know, having their priorities

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01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:38,599
Speaker 1: properly in order. And generally my take is just Harrison

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01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:41,759
Speaker 1: Butker believed what he said. He stood there and said

1431
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:45,640
Speaker 1: it knowing that it was going to it was going

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Speaker 1: to cost him something. His faith was going to cost

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Speaker 1: him something. And that's what faith should do. Like faith

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01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 1: in that's what it is. It's courage under fire. It's

1435
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 1: being willing to do that and stand up and say

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Speaker 1: what you believe, regardless of the consequences that are to come.

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01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 1: You can get taken off the radio. I remember having

1438
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Speaker 1: a conversation with, you know, a former supervisor who basically said, hey,

1439
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:12,400
Speaker 1: can you can you you know, I know you're you're

1440
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:14,760
Speaker 1: a strong Christian and it's it's coming through a lot

1441
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 1: of times in your show. Could you could you do

1442
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 1: us a favor and not actually say the name Jesus

1443
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 1: Christ on the air. And I'm thinking to myself, I mean,

1444
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:25,720
Speaker 1: if that's if that, if I if I were to

1445
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:27,559
Speaker 1: lose my job for doing that, then it's probably not

1446
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:30,720
Speaker 1: a job I should have. You've got to have standards

1447
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:33,759
Speaker 1: and principles that you are not willing to just shove

1448
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:37,720
Speaker 1: under the rug for what's comfortable. And so I applaud

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01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 1: Harrison Bucket for standing up and saying no, I don't

1450
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 1: regret saying this because his Catholic like, his Catholic faith

1451
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:48,760
Speaker 1: is so important to him that it wasn't like regardless

1452
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 1: of what the world said, he was answering to a

1453
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:53,559
Speaker 1: higher authority in his life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you you understand the religious element more than

1455
01:11:57,320 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 2: I do. But I just I go go to you know,

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01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:03,879
Speaker 2: I think you know the locker room is a metaphor

1457
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:07,559
Speaker 2: for life, is that there's a lot of different people

1458
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 2: from different backgrounds, different ethnicities, different sexes, different races, all

1459
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Speaker 2: that stuff that we always talk about. And but also

1460
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Speaker 2: people should be as Patrick Mahomes said, judged by their actions,

1461
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Speaker 2: not their words. And everybody who knows Harrison Bucker and

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Speaker 2: this is why, like you know, cracks me up. And

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying I've ever been in a firestorm like

1464
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Speaker 2: Harrison Bucker, but I've said stuff on social.

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Speaker 3: Media that people don't like.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Torres, you're this, You're that, You're you know, a racist,

1467
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:38,600
Speaker 2: a sexist, a homophobe, whatever, And it's like, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's just my opinion. The people that know me know

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Speaker 2: where my heart was, and you know, I don't. I

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Speaker 2: don't believe that I am whatever people have accused me of.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know Harrison Butker, so I can't speak

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Speaker 2: to it. But all that matters is that the people

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Speaker 2: that do know Harrison Bucker not only had his back,

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01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:00,600
Speaker 2: but they're like, I know what his character is and

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Speaker 2: you know, and this is all stuff that we talked

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01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:06,200
Speaker 2: about last week. We get out of here and get

1477
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:09,160
Speaker 2: to disager, but we talked about this last week. We

1478
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:11,599
Speaker 2: listened to the speech. There was nowhere where he said,

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01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:15,800
Speaker 2: you know, women can't work. No, I don't allow my

1480
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 2: wife to lead. You know, it's it's you know, it's

1481
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:22,240
Speaker 2: what's best for him and his family. It was a

1482
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:25,920
Speaker 2: religious school. He shared his personal opinion. You're allowed to disagree.

1483
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:28,280
Speaker 2: As I said last week, my wife says stuff that

1484
01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:30,439
Speaker 2: I disagree with, I say stuff that she disagrees with.

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Speaker 3: It's okay.

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01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 2: If everybody doesn't say anything, and really quickly I'll toss

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Speaker 2: back to you will close out. I like the part

1488
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:39,919
Speaker 2: where Harrison Bucker said, at the outset, many people expressed

1489
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:42,439
Speaker 2: a shocking level of hate. But as the days went on,

1490
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:45,679
Speaker 2: even those who disagreed with my viewpoints shared their support

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01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:48,479
Speaker 2: for my freedom of religion. And we don't have to

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Speaker 2: do a whole you know, First Amendment conversation at twelve

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Speaker 2: forty two Eastern time. But I think that's an important point,

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01:13:55,400 --> 01:14:01,639
Speaker 2: is that it's okay to have differing views on peopleblic figures.

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01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 1: Yeah it is. And look, I think what's been lost

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01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:11,200
Speaker 1: so often in just modern society generally, and this is

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Speaker 1: this is a quick take, and we can get to

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01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:18,799
Speaker 1: break We can no longer break bread, disagree, shake hands

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01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:19,920
Speaker 1: and still be friends.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 1: That's the biggest thing that we have lost, I think

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01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:26,040
Speaker 1: in society. And I think that honestly, social media is

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01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:29,280
Speaker 1: probably the biggest cause because there you go for hot takes.

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01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 1: You don't go for thoughtful discussion or anything else. But

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01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:35,599
Speaker 1: we used to actually get together with people we didn't

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01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:37,640
Speaker 1: even know whether we agreed or disagree with them, and

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01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:39,880
Speaker 1: we would sit down and we'd have dinner together, and

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01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 1: we would discuss the world. We would discuss things that

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01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:44,920
Speaker 1: were happening, and we probably get into heated debates, and

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01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:47,760
Speaker 1: ninety five percent of the time, those people would still

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01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:49,760
Speaker 1: be our friends. We'd still care for them, we'd still

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01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:52,400
Speaker 1: pray for them, we would still know them, we would

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01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 1: not cancel them, we would not run them off. All

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01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 1: of those kinds of things that has been lost, and

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01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:00,519
Speaker 1: that is something that I pray we can and recover.

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01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 2: Man, I got so many more thoughts, but I'll tell

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01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:04,719
Speaker 2: you what. We do have to get to the Sager.

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01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:09,280
Speaker 2: We'll come back. We'll have plenty of much lighter stuff.

1519
01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 2: It was a busy day in college baseball, college softball,

1520
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:15,920
Speaker 2: and Tosager has thoughts on pretty much everything that you

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01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 2: missed in sports today.

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01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:19,800
Speaker 3: Disager will join us next. This is Fox Sports Radio.

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01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:21,559
Speaker 3: Welcome back, everybody.

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01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio er tors Jason Martin broadcasting live from

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01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:30,280
Speaker 2: the tyreq dot Com studios. One quick comment from last segment,

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01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 2: Brendan tweets in I could partially relate to Harrison Bucker.

1527
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:36,320
Speaker 2: I had to defend my faith in principles against people

1528
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:38,760
Speaker 2: who are and always have been, trying to get me

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01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:41,519
Speaker 2: to join a crowd. I'd rather be in poverty and

1530
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:45,280
Speaker 2: happy than be rich and miserable. I just give credit

1531
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:48,280
Speaker 2: to Harrison Bucker. I mean, I know, I mean, he

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01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:50,160
Speaker 2: shouldn't be saying stuff he doesn't believe, but it would

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01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 2: have been easy to kind of run back some of

1534
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:55,560
Speaker 2: those comments under the fire that he was. Credit to

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01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 2: him for standing by his beliefs, and credit to Patrick Mahomes,

1536
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:02,000
Speaker 2: Andy Reid and others for his back. All right, with

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01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:04,760
Speaker 2: that said, much lighter note, let's toss it over the

1538
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:07,920
Speaker 2: news desk. The Saga has his extended update. Ma man,

1539
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:10,599
Speaker 2: what do you got? Well, we'll get to other sports news.

1540
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:13,639
Speaker 2: But the story is not at all on a like note,

1541
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:15,880
Speaker 2: and it probably involves a golfer that none of us

1542
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:18,519
Speaker 2: have heard of. But a key story from today that

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01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:21,320
Speaker 2: golfer Grayson Murray died this morning at the age of

1544
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 2: thirty and no details were given. But this is a

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01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:27,479
Speaker 2: guy who gave an interview to golf dot Com for example,

1546
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:29,480
Speaker 2: in the last year and said, there are days.

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01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 7: When I didn't want to get out of bed. I

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01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:33,760
Speaker 7: just thought I was a failure. I always looked at

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01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 7: myself as a failure. I thought I had a lot

1550
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 7: of talent. That was just a waste of talent. Murray

1551
01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:41,519
Speaker 7: had spoken about mental health in the past. He also

1552
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:44,759
Speaker 7: said he had stopped drinking last year. Yesterday, he withdrew

1553
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:47,720
Speaker 7: from the event in Fort Worth. Illness was cited. He

1554
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:50,120
Speaker 7: had opened this season on the PGA Tour with a

1555
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:52,640
Speaker 7: victory at the tournament in Hawaii in a playoff that

1556
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:55,240
Speaker 7: got him into the top fifty in the world rankings.

1557
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:58,120
Speaker 7: He made his master's debut this year and made the cut.

1558
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:01,440
Speaker 7: Murray tied for forty third place at the PGA Championship

1559
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:03,840
Speaker 7: just last week. He would have been in next month's

1560
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:06,920
Speaker 7: US Open. He grew up in North Carolina or in

1561
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:09,960
Speaker 7: the Arnold Palmer Scholarship at Wake Forest, his first of

1562
01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:13,840
Speaker 7: three colleges. Let me just say, if you're going through

1563
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:17,479
Speaker 7: any of this, talk to somebody. It's twenty twenty four.

1564
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:21,519
Speaker 7: There's no excuse not to verbalized national helpline out there.

1565
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 7: For example, it's one eight hundred sixty six ' to

1566
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:27,840
Speaker 7: two help one eight hundred sixty six to two help

1567
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:31,519
Speaker 7: but Grayson Murray passing away this morning in Fort Worth

1568
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:34,920
Speaker 7: at the age of thirty. At Colonial, Davis Riley leads

1569
01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:37,720
Speaker 7: by four stroke. Scottie Scheffler shot sixty three to move

1570
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:41,000
Speaker 7: up to second place. NASCAR's Coca Cola six hundred is

1571
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 7: Sunday night on Fox TV from Charlotte, with the temperature

1572
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:47,240
Speaker 7: near ninety there. Ty Gibbs earned his first career poll.

1573
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:50,639
Speaker 7: He's twenty one years old. Chase Elliott one Today's Infinity race.

1574
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 7: Ty Gibbs started from the poll in that race and

1575
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:56,240
Speaker 7: finished ninth. The Indy five hundred is scheduled for tomorrow.

1576
01:17:56,280 --> 01:18:01,400
Speaker 7: Thunderstorms are expected there. The race is consit official after

1577
01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:04,440
Speaker 7: one hundred and one of the two hundred laps are completed,

1578
01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:07,519
Speaker 7: so we'll see if that happens. Boston Celtics lead three

1579
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:09,839
Speaker 7: games to none in the East Finals after the comeback

1580
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:13,000
Speaker 7: win at Indiana. Now Andrew Nemhart had a great game.

1581
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:16,439
Speaker 7: Tyrese Haliburton was out, but the Pacers, one of the

1582
01:18:16,439 --> 01:18:20,320
Speaker 7: top scoring teams we've seen, held to one eleven, one

1583
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 7: fourteen to one eleven. They had averaged one hundred and

1584
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:25,200
Speaker 7: twenty three points per game in the regular season, not

1585
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:27,360
Speaker 7: only tops this year in the league, but top ten

1586
01:18:27,439 --> 01:18:30,080
Speaker 7: all time at one twenty three a game in the

1587
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:32,639
Speaker 7: history of the league. But Tyrese Haliburton, with his strained

1588
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:35,559
Speaker 7: hamstring was out for tonight at least, and he had

1589
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:39,120
Speaker 7: missed ten games in January with this same injury. So

1590
01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:41,719
Speaker 7: they're down three to zero. They're hosting Game four against

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01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:44,600
Speaker 7: the Celtics Monday night on the holiday. If there's a

1592
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:47,800
Speaker 7: Game five, it's Wednesday back at Boston. But after these

1593
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:51,479
Speaker 7: conference finals, regardless of short or long series, the NBA

1594
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 7: Finals are not due to start until June the sixth.

1595
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:57,720
Speaker 7: Dallas leads the Western Conference Finals two games to none.

1596
01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:00,600
Speaker 7: He'll go up against Minnesota with Game three Dallas on

1597
01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:04,080
Speaker 7: Sunday night. Dallas will host Game four on Tuesday night.

1598
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:08,719
Speaker 7: And you guys mentioned WNBA earlier. Caitlin Clark's Indiana team

1599
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:11,719
Speaker 7: one and six after losing badly at Champion in Vegas

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01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:15,560
Speaker 7: ninety nine eighty. She had eight points, seven assists, six turnovers.

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01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:19,040
Speaker 7: Seattle at home ripped a Washington team that is oh

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01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:22,439
Speaker 7: and six one oh one sixty nine. The final and

1603
01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:24,880
Speaker 7: the late night game had Dallas winning at Phoenix one

1604
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:28,400
Speaker 7: oh seven ninety two despite twenty eight points from Diana Tarassi.

1605
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:32,320
Speaker 7: Erika Agunbawally at a Notre Dame had forty points for

1606
01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:34,960
Speaker 7: the winners. There was a TV game today where Minnesota

1607
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:36,920
Speaker 7: beat a New York team that had been four and one.

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01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:40,280
Speaker 7: Connecticut's five and zero had won at Chicago tonight. And

1609
01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:43,839
Speaker 7: in baseball, the Yankees truly are the Bronx Bombers this weekend.

1610
01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 7: Not at a home run ballpark in San Diego, but

1611
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:48,800
Speaker 7: they had four homers last night against you. Darvish won

1612
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:52,000
Speaker 7: eight nothing. Aaron Judge homers for a fourth straight game.

1613
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:54,759
Speaker 7: Tonight they won four to one at San Diego. Yankees

1614
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 7: have won eleven of their last thirteen games.

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01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 2: Thank you very much to Seger Saga. Will be with

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01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:03,920
Speaker 2: us for another hour erin Tours. Jason Martin taking you

1617
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:06,760
Speaker 2: up till two am Eastern time. Bernie Fredo is back

1618
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 2: to follow us. But we got plenty more to get

1619
01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 2: to starting with Game three Eastern Conference Finals Boston beats Indy.

1620
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:16,040
Speaker 3: That's next Foxport three.

1621
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:21,799
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1622
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1627
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:47,240
Speaker 2: am Eastern Time. Bernie Frado is back. Bernie was overseas

1628
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:51,920
Speaker 2: last week visiting London and Paris. Cannot wait to hear

1629
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:54,639
Speaker 2: his stories of travel, but he.

1630
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:57,960
Speaker 3: Is back at two a m. Eastern time.

1631
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:05,080
Speaker 2: Go back to Saturday Night, the Big One in Indianapolis.

1632
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:08,160
Speaker 2: We've talked about it a lot throughout the show. By

1633
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:09,760
Speaker 2: the way, if you've missed any of the commentary, make

1634
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:11,479
Speaker 2: sure to go back and download. The podcast will be

1635
01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:15,040
Speaker 2: available shortly after the show. Boston Celtics win one, fourteen

1636
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 2: to one to eleven against the Indiana Pacers. Pacers really

1637
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:21,439
Speaker 2: were in pretty good shape in this one. They were

1638
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:24,160
Speaker 2: up by twelve and a half, They were up by

1639
01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:27,799
Speaker 2: nine going into the fourth quarter. But as we discussed

1640
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:31,320
Speaker 2: an hour one j Mark, combination of bad shots, combination

1641
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:34,880
Speaker 2: of turnovers, combination of no tyrese Haliburton, who was out

1642
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:38,720
Speaker 2: of this game with a hamstring injury. The Pacers just

1643
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:41,559
Speaker 2: could not make enough plays, and credit to the Boston

1644
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:44,599
Speaker 2: Celtics who did the exact opposite, made the plays needed

1645
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:49,920
Speaker 2: to win. They get the victory ceiling Game three in Indianapolis.

1646
01:21:50,360 --> 01:21:52,519
Speaker 1: Yeah. Great, it was a great effort by the Pacers.

1647
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:56,000
Speaker 1: They just they didn't have enough at the end that

1648
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:58,559
Speaker 1: they played an incredible first half and then they had

1649
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:01,080
Speaker 1: forty two points in the second. Now it wasn't all

1650
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:06,040
Speaker 1: their ineptitude. Boston turned the defensive intensity up about fifty

1651
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:09,600
Speaker 1: thousand percent, and there was again about a two or

1652
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:12,000
Speaker 1: three minute stretch where it felt like every time down

1653
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:15,320
Speaker 1: the floor the Pacers lost the ball, whether it was

1654
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:18,559
Speaker 1: blocked four or five possessions in a row, whether it

1655
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:20,680
Speaker 1: was just one where they made a bad pass and

1656
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:23,920
Speaker 1: fumbled it away, or it was a steal. It ended

1657
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 1: up going the other way, and the guys in Green

1658
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:29,439
Speaker 1: started making shots and get a little bit physical down

1659
01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:35,599
Speaker 1: low and really making big threes as well, and at

1660
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:38,960
Speaker 1: some point there needed to be somebody to kind of

1661
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:41,960
Speaker 1: stop the bleeding. And Nemhar did come back alive in

1662
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:43,800
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter after kind of not doing much in

1663
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:45,680
Speaker 1: the thirty had twenty three in the first half, and

1664
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:47,560
Speaker 1: then didn't do almost anything in the third quarter and

1665
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:50,519
Speaker 1: then ended up having a solid fourth quarter. They just

1666
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:54,799
Speaker 1: didn't have enough. When the momentum turned in the second half,

1667
01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:57,920
Speaker 1: the Celtics felt it. You could just you could feel

1668
01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:01,360
Speaker 1: it coming. When it was ten points, it felt like, oh okay, well,

1669
01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:05,759
Speaker 1: Boss is gonna win a game because it's what was

1670
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:08,839
Speaker 1: supposed to happen. And as it gets closer to happening,

1671
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:11,120
Speaker 1: the team that's trying to hold it off is like,

1672
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:13,400
Speaker 1: oh no, we're not gonna blow this, and then they

1673
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:16,000
Speaker 1: blew it. And that's that's just how it went down.

1674
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:19,920
Speaker 1: Boston's the better team. You took the best player off

1675
01:23:19,960 --> 01:23:23,080
Speaker 1: the Indiana Pacers. Everybody else gave you as much as

1676
01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:26,439
Speaker 1: they had, and they still came up three point short.

1677
01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:30,280
Speaker 3: Boston Celtics take Game three.

1678
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:32,960
Speaker 2: Couple couple follow up thoughts here, Jason First of all

1679
01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:39,519
Speaker 2: Game four, obviously Memorial Day Indianapolis. I would assume that

1680
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:42,919
Speaker 2: if Tyrese Haliburton isn't able to go tonight, he probably

1681
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:44,720
Speaker 2: will not be able to go. Hamstrings are kind of

1682
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:47,960
Speaker 2: one of those injuries that linger Celtics could close this

1683
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:51,439
Speaker 2: thing out pretty quickly here. Now, obviously we'll talk a

1684
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:55,200
Speaker 2: little bit about the Tea Wolves and the MAVs here

1685
01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:58,280
Speaker 2: in a moment. Tell me if you disagree, But I

1686
01:23:58,320 --> 01:24:00,960
Speaker 2: would think that that I think that series goes at

1687
01:24:01,080 --> 01:24:03,680
Speaker 2: least five, maybe six games. I think it goes at

1688
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:05,400
Speaker 2: I take it back, I think it goes six games

1689
01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:08,639
Speaker 2: at least, maybe even to a game seven. So Celtics

1690
01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:11,880
Speaker 2: could be looking at quite a bit of extended time off.

1691
01:24:12,439 --> 01:24:14,200
Speaker 2: Good thing back, And I don't want to put the

1692
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:16,280
Speaker 2: cart before the horse, but they're going to beat Indianapolis.

1693
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:18,320
Speaker 2: Maybe it's in four, maybe it's in five. But this

1694
01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:21,519
Speaker 2: series is going to be over pretty quick. Dumb question.

1695
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:24,280
Speaker 2: Does that matter to you? Does that not matter to

1696
01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:27,880
Speaker 2: you that the Celtics could realistically be looking at like

1697
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:30,200
Speaker 2: a week off before the start of the finals.

1698
01:24:31,160 --> 01:24:33,679
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if there's a rust

1699
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:36,679
Speaker 1: factor or not. I don't know how fast the Western

1700
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:40,960
Speaker 1: Conference Finals gets done as well, and then it's kind

1701
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:43,600
Speaker 1: of both teams playing that same way. I don't know

1702
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:46,040
Speaker 1: how tired the Celtics players are. It is going to

1703
01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:48,080
Speaker 1: give Porzingis a little bit more of a rest, like

1704
01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:49,760
Speaker 1: if he doesn't have to come back at all in

1705
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:51,799
Speaker 1: this series, and they're able to bring him into the finals,

1706
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:55,040
Speaker 1: you run the risk of messing with the chemistry that's

1707
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:57,760
Speaker 1: gotten you to the finals. But obviously, if you have

1708
01:24:57,800 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 1: a chance to put him back out there, he gives

1709
01:24:59,240 --> 01:25:02,840
Speaker 1: you another horror to go against either Minnesota or Dallas.

1710
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:05,800
Speaker 1: So I don't know whether or not that's too much

1711
01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:07,920
Speaker 1: time off. I think they're gonna get it one way

1712
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:09,320
Speaker 1: or the other. It feels to me like this is

1713
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:11,200
Speaker 1: a sweep. You had a chance, if you're Indiana to

1714
01:25:11,240 --> 01:25:15,240
Speaker 1: win game one. You somehow allowed Jalen Brown to take

1715
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:17,519
Speaker 1: that three when you shouldn't have. And I don't even

1716
01:25:17,560 --> 01:25:20,439
Speaker 1: mean foul them. I mean Carlisle said, you know, I

1717
01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:23,559
Speaker 1: made the mistake. I should have made sure this happened.

1718
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:25,640
Speaker 1: I should have called a time out. We should have

1719
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:27,920
Speaker 1: you know, a bit smarter on the inbounds, all these

1720
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:30,560
Speaker 1: kinds of things. Well, I will say this at the

1721
01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:32,920
Speaker 1: end of the game. Even though tonight in game three,

1722
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:35,120
Speaker 1: they got a decent look, they got an open look.

1723
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:37,840
Speaker 1: I was all surprised it was Nemhrd that was inbounding

1724
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:40,360
Speaker 1: the ball. Yeah, seemed like it should have been somebody else.

1725
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:42,160
Speaker 1: So neim hard pot because he was the guy that

1726
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:44,000
Speaker 1: was hottest in the game. He was the guy that

1727
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:46,519
Speaker 1: was doing everything for you. I would have liked at

1728
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:49,200
Speaker 1: least to have tried to set up something for him

1729
01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:51,679
Speaker 1: as opposed to him being the inbounder, because you didn't

1730
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:53,800
Speaker 1: have the time to get the basketball back to him.

1731
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:56,519
Speaker 1: Whoever caught it probably was gonna be the one that

1732
01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:59,439
Speaker 1: had to take the shot. I question whether or not

1733
01:25:59,479 --> 01:26:03,000
Speaker 1: Nemarch have done that. But irrespective of that, one in

1734
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:05,559
Speaker 1: three you kind of had and you lost both. So

1735
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:07,519
Speaker 1: I feel like this is four games and out, and

1736
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:10,880
Speaker 1: then you look at the Celtics. I just we're gonna

1737
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:13,040
Speaker 1: find out is there any Russ We won't know until

1738
01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:15,280
Speaker 1: game one. It's probably gonna be good for some of

1739
01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:17,559
Speaker 1: their bodies because they have been going every other night

1740
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:18,599
Speaker 1: now for a few weeks.

1741
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:22,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Game one of the of the NBA Finals will

1742
01:26:22,240 --> 01:26:26,360
Speaker 2: be Game one of the NBA Finals will be June sixth,

1743
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:30,680
Speaker 2: So if Boston does sweep the Indiana Pacers, they'd be

1744
01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:34,519
Speaker 2: looking at really about ten days because obviously Monday will

1745
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:37,120
Speaker 2: be the twenty seventh, and then they would not play

1746
01:26:37,160 --> 01:26:40,760
Speaker 2: again until June sixth. But yeah, I'm with you first

1747
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:43,599
Speaker 2: of all as far as the rest versus Russ thing.

1748
01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:46,840
Speaker 2: You know, I'll just be curious. It's not really a

1749
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:52,080
Speaker 2: rest conversation to be Jason, it's to me just how

1750
01:26:52,120 --> 01:26:54,080
Speaker 2: hard have they been pushed? Because I think, you know,

1751
01:26:54,439 --> 01:26:57,280
Speaker 2: it's crazy, like it's not crazy, but we can You

1752
01:26:57,320 --> 01:26:58,880
Speaker 2: don't have to be the biggest basketball fan in the

1753
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:01,920
Speaker 2: world to just see there is just a different level

1754
01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:04,719
Speaker 2: when you tune into these Western Conference playoffs.

1755
01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:08,160
Speaker 3: And it's not even just the finals. I mean Dallas, okse.

1756
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:11,200
Speaker 2: You know, Dallas wins in I think six, but a

1757
01:27:11,240 --> 01:27:13,000
Speaker 2: lot of those games were back and forth, could have

1758
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:15,799
Speaker 2: gone either way. It might have been five. Obviously, Denver

1759
01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:20,280
Speaker 2: Minnesota goes a full seven games Minnesota, I don't know.

1760
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:23,080
Speaker 2: It's just I think that's the more interesting thing to

1761
01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:25,559
Speaker 2: me is it's almost like a you know, like a

1762
01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:29,080
Speaker 2: Gonzaga in the NCAA tournament where it's like, you know,

1763
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:32,120
Speaker 2: during the regular season, like did they get tested enough?

1764
01:27:32,240 --> 01:27:34,280
Speaker 3: You know, and and it's it sounds.

1765
01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:37,759
Speaker 2: Silly, but you look at the the Boston Celtics, I mean, listen,

1766
01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:41,800
Speaker 2: Miami Heat five game series, no Jimmy Butler for most

1767
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:46,519
Speaker 2: of it, you know, pretty pretty easy convincing win. Uh

1768
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:51,320
Speaker 2: you beat you beat Cleveland in five in a series

1769
01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:54,599
Speaker 2: where Donovan Mitchell misses a few games, you lose Game two,

1770
01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:57,679
Speaker 2: you win the final three this series, you're probably gonna

1771
01:27:57,680 --> 01:28:00,960
Speaker 2: sweep Tyrese Alliburton's not out. It's like, that's what it is,

1772
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:03,080
Speaker 2: more than anything else is It's like it just doesn't

1773
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:06,040
Speaker 2: feel like they've had to hit that fourth or fifth

1774
01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:08,760
Speaker 2: gear in these playoffs. And I will be curious the

1775
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:11,760
Speaker 2: difference because whoever wins the West, and I think it's

1776
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:14,719
Speaker 2: obviously I don't even think it's just trending towards Dallas

1777
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:16,840
Speaker 2: right now. I think there will be a different level

1778
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:18,439
Speaker 2: of intensity come to the NBA Finals.

1779
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:21,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think that's right. I do think

1780
01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:23,960
Speaker 1: there is something to the idea that Boston has not

1781
01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:26,679
Speaker 1: been like challenged the way they'd be challenged in the West.

1782
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:31,920
Speaker 1: I do think maybe we underestimate how offensively talented the

1783
01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:35,280
Speaker 1: Indiana Pacers are. They've been able to score all year long,

1784
01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:38,320
Speaker 1: so Boston has been challenged when it comes to what

1785
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:41,280
Speaker 1: their defense can do. Now it's a different animal when

1786
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:43,120
Speaker 1: you get into the West and you've got two guys

1787
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:45,479
Speaker 1: with Dallas, they can get their shot anytime they want

1788
01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:48,720
Speaker 1: it off their own dribble. They don't have to be

1789
01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:50,519
Speaker 1: set up for it. They can get their own shot.

1790
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:54,160
Speaker 1: And then you look at Minnesota, and that's the team

1791
01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:56,559
Speaker 1: that you don't want to get to the finals because

1792
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:58,720
Speaker 1: the one thing you don't want is Anthony Edwards to

1793
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:02,800
Speaker 1: get about a week off that if he could, if

1794
01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:05,400
Speaker 1: they could somehow win the series in six, which I

1795
01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:07,880
Speaker 1: mean it's not gonna happen, But if they were to

1796
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:10,200
Speaker 1: win the series in six and then you still have

1797
01:29:10,240 --> 01:29:12,000
Speaker 1: four or five days before you get to the finals

1798
01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:15,200
Speaker 1: or whatever it would be, then you know, then you

1799
01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:19,200
Speaker 1: have a different discussion there, because Edwards when he's really firing,

1800
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:23,479
Speaker 1: is just absolutely frightening. I would love to see what

1801
01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:27,320
Speaker 1: Boston does with them. But I just believe in my

1802
01:29:27,360 --> 01:29:29,479
Speaker 1: heart of hearts that the one team that could have

1803
01:29:29,640 --> 01:29:32,640
Speaker 1: beaten the Celtics got beaten by the t Wolves in

1804
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:34,920
Speaker 1: the last round. I think outside of Denver, I think

1805
01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:35,880
Speaker 1: Boston's gonna win it.

1806
01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:37,880
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I was gonna say, yeah, No, I

1807
01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:40,240
Speaker 2: think Denver is the one that would give them the

1808
01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:43,360
Speaker 2: most trouble. I don't think that they're unbeatable by any

1809
01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:47,960
Speaker 2: stretch if either Minnesota or Dallas does get there, but

1810
01:29:48,040 --> 01:29:49,960
Speaker 2: it'll be interesting I mean, it's just they just really

1811
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:52,760
Speaker 2: haven't been tested. I think it'll be a different level

1812
01:29:52,760 --> 01:29:55,320
Speaker 2: of intensity come those NBA Finals, and I know they've

1813
01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:58,640
Speaker 2: been there before and it's not to diminish them, but

1814
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:01,960
Speaker 2: they just really haven't been challenged in these playoffs and

1815
01:30:02,840 --> 01:30:03,280
Speaker 2: a lot of.

1816
01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:03,920
Speaker 3: Things go the way.

1817
01:30:04,120 --> 01:30:07,799
Speaker 2: Is there any concern from your perspective on this, really quick?

1818
01:30:08,040 --> 01:30:09,719
Speaker 3: Is that you lose game.

1819
01:30:10,360 --> 01:30:13,679
Speaker 2: You lose a home playoff game to the Miami Heat

1820
01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:16,400
Speaker 2: in round one, No, Jimmy Butler, you lose a home

1821
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:20,200
Speaker 2: playoff game to Cleveland. You could have and probably should

1822
01:30:20,200 --> 01:30:24,439
Speaker 2: have lost tonight or Saturday night to Indiana without their

1823
01:30:24,479 --> 01:30:27,760
Speaker 2: all star Tyres Haliburn. Does it worry you at all

1824
01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:31,559
Speaker 2: the idea of the fact that the Celtics do seem

1825
01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:34,680
Speaker 2: to play down to the competition sometimes or is that

1826
01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:37,280
Speaker 2: just the nature of playing seven game series over the

1827
01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:38,200
Speaker 2: course of the playoffs?

1828
01:30:38,360 --> 01:30:40,720
Speaker 1: Well, I mean it would worry me, but for the

1829
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:43,080
Speaker 1: fact that the competition is not gonna be somebody to

1830
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:46,479
Speaker 1: play down to anymore. So if that were the argument,

1831
01:30:46,720 --> 01:30:49,479
Speaker 1: then I would be fine if I was a Celtics fan,

1832
01:30:49,479 --> 01:30:51,840
Speaker 1: because you're not going to play down to Dallas or

1833
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:55,839
Speaker 1: down to Minnesota because there's no down to them really,

1834
01:30:55,960 --> 01:30:59,719
Speaker 1: I mean maybe one degree or something like that at best.

1835
01:30:59,840 --> 01:31:01,960
Speaker 1: If you believe the Celtics are the best team in

1836
01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:04,960
Speaker 1: the league, it would it worried me more and it

1837
01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:07,680
Speaker 1: will cost them. Denver had way too many games in

1838
01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:10,720
Speaker 1: that series with Minnesota where they started slow, and they

1839
01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:13,280
Speaker 1: started slow in the first round of the playoffs as well.

1840
01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:16,200
Speaker 1: It would bother me if Boston was coming out lethargic

1841
01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:17,640
Speaker 1: in these games. But a lot of times they're not,

1842
01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:21,600
Speaker 1: like there are just what you have seen. And this

1843
01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:25,240
Speaker 1: is kind of true across the NBA playoffs though, is

1844
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:28,080
Speaker 1: there's ebbs and flows where there's like ten to eleven minutes

1845
01:31:28,120 --> 01:31:31,679
Speaker 1: where Boston's just not They just don't look like they're firing.

1846
01:31:32,240 --> 01:31:34,360
Speaker 1: But then they find a way to get it back.

1847
01:31:34,360 --> 01:31:37,120
Speaker 1: And great teams do that. I mean, we thought, I mean,

1848
01:31:37,160 --> 01:31:41,440
Speaker 1: think about this Chiefs team that just won the Super Bowl.

1849
01:31:42,080 --> 01:31:43,960
Speaker 1: We were just waiting for them to get picked off

1850
01:31:43,960 --> 01:31:46,800
Speaker 1: and they never did. Sure, even though they weren't necessarily

1851
01:31:48,160 --> 01:31:51,280
Speaker 1: impressive all the time, when it came down to it,

1852
01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:54,680
Speaker 1: they had the horses to win, and so we just

1853
01:31:54,760 --> 01:31:57,160
Speaker 1: kept awaiting whether it was gonna be Baltimore or if

1854
01:31:57,200 --> 01:31:59,559
Speaker 1: it's gonna be San Francisco, somebody's gonna get them because

1855
01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:02,479
Speaker 1: this was the Mahomes Wasn't is good? They really now

1856
01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:05,080
Speaker 1: do look like they feel the loss of Tyreek Hill.

1857
01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:08,840
Speaker 1: Kelsey's all Taylor swifted out right now, like there's all

1858
01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:11,960
Speaker 1: these things going on, you can get them. They were

1859
01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:14,120
Speaker 1: still holding the trophy at the end. And I think

1860
01:32:14,120 --> 01:32:16,720
Speaker 1: the same thing can be true with the Celtics. We

1861
01:32:16,760 --> 01:32:19,479
Speaker 1: know how good they are at times you're just not

1862
01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:22,840
Speaker 1: impressed by it, but when they have to flip the switch,

1863
01:32:22,880 --> 01:32:25,000
Speaker 1: it seems like it's there for them.

1864
01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:28,880
Speaker 2: Interesting thoughts here. The Boston Celtics do take Game three

1865
01:32:29,240 --> 01:32:32,559
Speaker 2: of the Eastern Conference Finals one fourteen, one eleven. Yes

1866
01:32:32,640 --> 01:32:36,000
Speaker 2: it was close. Yes, Indiana had a chance to win.

1867
01:32:36,040 --> 01:32:38,280
Speaker 2: They were up by nine going into the fourth quarter,

1868
01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:42,000
Speaker 2: but the Celtics make the most plays late and they

1869
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:44,200
Speaker 2: get the victory. Fox Sports Radio eron towards Jason Martin

1870
01:32:44,240 --> 01:32:47,120
Speaker 2: broadcasting live from the tyreck dot com studios when we

1871
01:32:47,160 --> 01:32:50,439
Speaker 2: come back, talk a little bit about the Western Conference

1872
01:32:50,479 --> 01:32:54,479
Speaker 2: Finals and answer the question that there may be no

1873
01:32:54,560 --> 01:33:01,920
Speaker 2: answer to. Luka Doncic really annoying or just really genuinely

1874
01:33:02,120 --> 01:33:05,400
Speaker 2: authentically himself will discuss that next Fox Sports Tratio Welcome

1875
01:33:05,439 --> 01:33:10,880
Speaker 2: back everybody. Fox Sports Radio, Eric Towards Jason Martin, broadcasting

1876
01:33:11,080 --> 01:33:15,320
Speaker 2: live from the Tyreck dot Com studios, spend a lot

1877
01:33:15,320 --> 01:33:18,400
Speaker 2: of time talking Game three Eastern Conference Finals. The Boston

1878
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:21,280
Speaker 2: Celtics win one fourteen to one eleven. They take a

1879
01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:24,360
Speaker 2: three to zero series lead, looking to close out the

1880
01:33:24,439 --> 01:33:30,400
Speaker 2: series on Monday night in Indianapolis, Memorial Day Eve. The

1881
01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:33,200
Speaker 2: Boston Celtics will be looking to advance to their second

1882
01:33:33,320 --> 01:33:37,679
Speaker 2: NBA Finals in three seasons. They can sweep the Indiana

1883
01:33:37,720 --> 01:33:41,920
Speaker 2: Pacers on Monday. Jason, let's switch gears. Let's go ahead

1884
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:46,479
Speaker 2: talk about the other series. Dallas goes up two to

1885
01:33:46,520 --> 01:33:52,519
Speaker 2: zero on Friday Night, this after a Luka Doncic three

1886
01:33:52,600 --> 01:33:56,200
Speaker 2: with under ten seconds to go over the outstretched arms

1887
01:33:56,200 --> 01:33:59,680
Speaker 2: of Rudy Gobert after he almost put Rudy Gobert on

1888
01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:06,000
Speaker 2: his But afterward we saw Luca yelling and screaming and

1889
01:34:06,120 --> 01:34:10,640
Speaker 2: swearing and saying things inappropriate and uh, he's certainly an

1890
01:34:10,680 --> 01:34:14,000
Speaker 2: interesting guy from the perspective that listen. I know every

1891
01:34:14,080 --> 01:34:17,320
Speaker 2: star player likes to complain to the refs. I feel

1892
01:34:17,320 --> 01:34:19,720
Speaker 2: like Luca does it more than anybody, like if there

1893
01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:24,439
Speaker 2: was an efficiency stat for a number of plays relative

1894
01:34:24,520 --> 01:34:27,320
Speaker 2: to complaining to the refs, I would say he's the

1895
01:34:27,320 --> 01:34:29,519
Speaker 2: most efficient guy in the NBA, because it's like, there

1896
01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:31,439
Speaker 2: is not a play down the court where he doesn't

1897
01:34:31,520 --> 01:34:33,160
Speaker 2: end up at the fall line that he's not complaining

1898
01:34:33,240 --> 01:34:36,640
Speaker 2: to the refs. And so I ask you, Jason, you

1899
01:34:36,760 --> 01:34:38,840
Speaker 2: asked me, So I'm gonna ask you. You asked me

1900
01:34:38,840 --> 01:34:40,640
Speaker 2: before the show, and this is a great question. So

1901
01:34:40,640 --> 01:34:45,120
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask you. Is Luka Doncic annoying or is

1902
01:34:45,160 --> 01:34:49,720
Speaker 2: he just genuinely one hundred percent himself? I think that's

1903
01:34:49,760 --> 01:34:54,000
Speaker 2: what you were kind of asking me, right, Yeah, So.

1904
01:34:53,960 --> 01:34:55,439
Speaker 1: Are you gonna answer that? Do you want me to answer?

1905
01:34:55,479 --> 01:34:57,960
Speaker 3: I'll let you go first, Flori is yours?

1906
01:34:59,680 --> 01:35:02,040
Speaker 1: I think answers yes. I mean, I think he's definitely annoying.

1907
01:35:02,520 --> 01:35:04,360
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any doubt about that. If you're

1908
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:07,200
Speaker 1: not a MAVs fan, I bet most MAVs fans are like, Man,

1909
01:35:07,200 --> 01:35:10,680
Speaker 1: I'm glad he plays for us, because I feel like

1910
01:35:10,680 --> 01:35:12,320
Speaker 1: a lot of Golden State fans feel the same way

1911
01:35:12,360 --> 01:35:16,559
Speaker 1: about Draymond Green. Probably at his height now, they're probably

1912
01:35:16,600 --> 01:35:20,040
Speaker 1: annoyed by him. Either way, But like Luca's just the

1913
01:35:20,040 --> 01:35:23,760
Speaker 1: one that kind of grinned and Barrett because you know,

1914
01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:28,160
Speaker 1: if he's yours man, he's special. But he does have

1915
01:35:28,200 --> 01:35:31,439
Speaker 1: that quality about him. But I don't think any of

1916
01:35:31,479 --> 01:35:33,760
Speaker 1: it's inauthentic. I think that's it, Like there's no put

1917
01:35:33,800 --> 01:35:36,040
Speaker 1: on here that's just too Luka doncach Is. He's a

1918
01:35:36,320 --> 01:35:41,599
Speaker 1: crazy competitor. He whinds a lot, complains a lot, screams

1919
01:35:41,640 --> 01:35:46,760
Speaker 1: a lot. He just does irritating things. It's one of

1920
01:35:46,760 --> 01:35:50,800
Speaker 1: the things that makes him so great, honestly, because I

1921
01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:53,640
Speaker 1: think without it, some of that edge is lost. I

1922
01:35:53,680 --> 01:35:56,160
Speaker 1: think that he gets under other players skin the same

1923
01:35:56,200 --> 01:35:58,639
Speaker 1: way that Rodman did, the same way that Draymond has,

1924
01:35:58,760 --> 01:36:02,040
Speaker 1: the same way that Charles bark He did. He has

1925
01:36:02,160 --> 01:36:05,639
Speaker 1: that when you marry that to the kind of talent

1926
01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:09,040
Speaker 1: that he has. That's why he's so dangerous and so deadly,

1927
01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:14,280
Speaker 1: is that he is this perfect combination of excellence on

1928
01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:17,760
Speaker 1: the court to go with this attitude that just makes

1929
01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:20,120
Speaker 1: you want to knock him into the dirt, but at

1930
01:36:20,160 --> 01:36:23,880
Speaker 1: the same time you can't because he's so good. And

1931
01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:26,080
Speaker 1: I think that's what makes him so unique and so

1932
01:36:26,200 --> 01:36:28,920
Speaker 1: special is because there's only a handful of guys in

1933
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:32,720
Speaker 1: history that have that. I mean, like Durant wasn't annoying

1934
01:36:32,760 --> 01:36:34,719
Speaker 1: on the floor as great as he was to watch.

1935
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:37,360
Speaker 1: Steph Curry, he is annoying with what he does was

1936
01:36:37,400 --> 01:36:40,439
Speaker 1: his mouthpiece in my opinion, it always has been. But

1937
01:36:41,280 --> 01:36:44,400
Speaker 1: in generally Steph's not annoying to watch, But there have been.

1938
01:36:44,720 --> 01:36:47,240
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of guys that are really,

1939
01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:49,679
Speaker 1: really good that don't have that quality. He's got both.

1940
01:36:49,720 --> 01:36:53,080
Speaker 1: He is a super irritating guy, but he's real, Like

1941
01:36:53,120 --> 01:36:57,880
Speaker 1: I think everything about him is exactly like he's you

1942
01:36:57,880 --> 01:37:02,920
Speaker 1: think about Dirkys same team. Dirk was all world talent.

1943
01:37:03,400 --> 01:37:05,599
Speaker 1: Dirk's one of the most likable guys you could ever find,

1944
01:37:05,840 --> 01:37:07,960
Speaker 1: Like I mean even watch him posts career, like the

1945
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:10,400
Speaker 1: smiles and just the way he conducts himself and carries

1946
01:37:10,479 --> 01:37:14,479
Speaker 1: himself in it, Like Dirk's just a fun dude. Luka

1947
01:37:14,560 --> 01:37:17,800
Speaker 1: Doncic is incredibly polarizing. I don't think Dirk ever was.

1948
01:37:18,080 --> 01:37:20,200
Speaker 1: But I don't think that either one of them are

1949
01:37:20,439 --> 01:37:22,200
Speaker 1: untrue to who they are. I just think that's who

1950
01:37:22,240 --> 01:37:24,360
Speaker 1: Dirk is and I think this is who Luca is.

1951
01:37:24,520 --> 01:37:26,600
Speaker 1: So I think the answer is both. I think that

1952
01:37:26,680 --> 01:37:30,200
Speaker 1: he is incredibly irritating and I think he is real. Yeah, Dirk,

1953
01:37:30,240 --> 01:37:33,240
Speaker 1: the only thing he was polarizing was more like, is

1954
01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:35,519
Speaker 1: he good enough to win you a championship? Right right?

1955
01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:36,080
Speaker 3: Best player?

1956
01:37:36,160 --> 01:37:36,320
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1957
01:37:36,360 --> 01:37:37,640
Speaker 2: Because there was the year I think he won the

1958
01:37:37,720 --> 01:37:39,800
Speaker 2: MVP and he got knocked out in the first round

1959
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:40,520
Speaker 2: of the playoffs.

1960
01:37:41,920 --> 01:37:44,519
Speaker 3: So I think I kind of agree with you on Luca.

1961
01:37:44,840 --> 01:37:47,559
Speaker 3: Is that. One thing about me is I.

1962
01:37:47,439 --> 01:37:52,960
Speaker 2: Do respect guys that are genuinely true to themselves, even

1963
01:37:53,000 --> 01:37:55,040
Speaker 2: if it isn't cookie cutter. We obviously talked about that

1964
01:37:55,080 --> 01:37:57,400
Speaker 2: a little bit right about an hour ago with Harrison Bucker.

1965
01:37:57,479 --> 01:37:59,360
Speaker 2: He said what he said, he didn't back down from

1966
01:37:59,360 --> 01:38:01,800
Speaker 2: what he said. He's good by it, and I think,

1967
01:38:01,960 --> 01:38:04,120
Speaker 2: you know, we need more of that. And I think

1968
01:38:04,120 --> 01:38:06,439
Speaker 2: it applies to coaches. You know a coach that I

1969
01:38:06,479 --> 01:38:08,120
Speaker 2: think gets under a lot of people's skin that I

1970
01:38:08,240 --> 01:38:11,320
Speaker 2: enjoy Dabo Sweeney because he tells it, like it how

1971
01:38:11,360 --> 01:38:14,960
Speaker 2: he feels all the time. Kim Maulk's another one, tells

1972
01:38:15,000 --> 01:38:18,200
Speaker 2: it how how she feels all the time. And so

1973
01:38:18,240 --> 01:38:20,439
Speaker 2: if Luca is going to be And the other thing

1974
01:38:20,520 --> 01:38:25,440
Speaker 2: is I think sometimes guys fake the emotion, the excitement

1975
01:38:25,560 --> 01:38:28,040
Speaker 2: the whatever, and I don't think he does.

1976
01:38:28,240 --> 01:38:29,840
Speaker 3: I think that's who he is.

1977
01:38:30,240 --> 01:38:33,800
Speaker 2: To your point, I think he does use you know,

1978
01:38:33,880 --> 01:38:35,160
Speaker 2: I don't know if you'd call you want to call

1979
01:38:35,160 --> 01:38:37,559
Speaker 2: it slights, because I don't think anybody's really doubted him

1980
01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:41,720
Speaker 2: since basically his rookie year. But I do think, you know,

1981
01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:48,000
Speaker 2: he uses stuff in game to motivate himself. But he does,

1982
01:38:48,160 --> 01:38:51,439
Speaker 2: you know, listening, he obviously is a phenomenal player. He's

1983
01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:56,040
Speaker 2: killing it, and like when he's screaming, I think it's

1984
01:38:56,120 --> 01:39:01,000
Speaker 2: genuinely because he's either fired up or to fire himself up.

1985
01:39:01,360 --> 01:39:05,479
Speaker 2: I don't think it's like some incredibly insincere thing. And

1986
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:08,760
Speaker 2: so I guess I'm kind of just repeating what you said. Jason,

1987
01:39:08,800 --> 01:39:12,920
Speaker 2: to be perfectly honest, is like I, I, you know,

1988
01:39:13,160 --> 01:39:16,280
Speaker 2: I am annoyed by the whining two officials, Like I

1989
01:39:16,680 --> 01:39:19,160
Speaker 2: just find it a little bit exhausting. It's I mean,

1990
01:39:19,760 --> 01:39:22,439
Speaker 2: certainly there's there's plays in every game that could go

1991
01:39:22,520 --> 01:39:24,240
Speaker 2: either way that you're allowed to get frustrated about. It

1992
01:39:24,360 --> 01:39:28,120
Speaker 2: feels like every call that doesn't go his way, he's

1993
01:39:28,200 --> 01:39:29,519
Speaker 2: upset about it. And then, oh, by the way, even

1994
01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:32,479
Speaker 2: when the calls go in his favor, he's basically complaining

1995
01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:34,679
Speaker 2: on the way to the foul line. The whistle wasn't

1996
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:37,800
Speaker 2: called sooner, and so it's like that part does annoy me.

1997
01:39:38,479 --> 01:39:39,920
Speaker 3: But when he's yelling and screaming in.

1998
01:39:39,960 --> 01:39:43,720
Speaker 2: Rudy Gobert's face, I don't think it's like an insincere

1999
01:39:43,880 --> 01:39:47,040
Speaker 2: I'm being like a fake tough guy emotion or fake

2000
01:39:47,080 --> 01:39:49,840
Speaker 2: emotional guy. I just think that's kind of who he is. Yeah,

2001
01:39:49,880 --> 01:39:52,680
Speaker 2: I'm I think that's right. I just I think that

2002
01:39:53,960 --> 01:39:58,040
Speaker 2: I think it's unrestrained emotion. And look, I think the

2003
01:39:58,080 --> 01:39:59,920
Speaker 2: same thing is true of Draymond Green. Like I don't

2004
01:40:00,240 --> 01:40:01,360
Speaker 2: Errymond Green to put on.

2005
01:40:01,600 --> 01:40:03,439
Speaker 1: Because I think that at this point he probably would

2006
01:40:03,479 --> 01:40:06,120
Speaker 1: have pulled back on it a little bit because of

2007
01:40:06,120 --> 01:40:08,799
Speaker 1: how it has cost his team. You know, he knows

2008
01:40:08,920 --> 01:40:11,280
Speaker 1: that it has cost his team at times. I just

2009
01:40:11,320 --> 01:40:13,840
Speaker 1: think it's just part and parcel of who Draymond Green

2010
01:40:13,960 --> 01:40:15,439
Speaker 1: is is You're going to get some of that and

2011
01:40:15,479 --> 01:40:17,200
Speaker 1: you're gonna get some of the other. I think the

2012
01:40:17,200 --> 01:40:19,160
Speaker 1: same thing's true Luca. I just think that those are

2013
01:40:19,240 --> 01:40:24,439
Speaker 1: I think Luka Dancic is genuinely irritating as heck. Like

2014
01:40:24,479 --> 01:40:27,160
Speaker 1: that's it's just the way it is. But he's great

2015
01:40:27,160 --> 01:40:29,599
Speaker 1: for basketball because it's it's fun to watch him. Whether

2016
01:40:29,640 --> 01:40:32,040
Speaker 1: you love him or hate him, he has that quality

2017
01:40:32,120 --> 01:40:34,160
Speaker 1: about him. There are guys like that.

2018
01:40:34,280 --> 01:40:38,000
Speaker 3: I mean, what about him irritating just so curiousity the.

2019
01:40:37,960 --> 01:40:41,479
Speaker 1: Foul stuff or what the fact the whining and the

2020
01:40:42,680 --> 01:40:45,520
Speaker 1: just the kind of like it's cool to be competitive,

2021
01:40:45,520 --> 01:40:47,360
Speaker 1: but the stuff after the go Bear thing was like,

2022
01:40:47,360 --> 01:40:52,160
Speaker 1: I mean, was that necessary? Not necessarily? And I do

2023
01:40:52,200 --> 01:40:55,800
Speaker 1: think that there has always kind of been this sort

2024
01:40:55,840 --> 01:40:59,000
Speaker 1: of arrogance about him that's a little off putting. I

2025
01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:02,240
Speaker 1: think even since he was very very young. I do

2026
01:41:02,280 --> 01:41:04,240
Speaker 1: think that there was at least at a time when

2027
01:41:04,280 --> 01:41:08,800
Speaker 1: it looked like does he own a gym membership anywhere? Sure,

2028
01:41:09,520 --> 01:41:11,280
Speaker 1: I think he's in better shape now than he was

2029
01:41:11,400 --> 01:41:13,040
Speaker 1: at some point, but I think that was a knock

2030
01:41:13,080 --> 01:41:15,120
Speaker 1: to It's like, how seriously has he taken this? Is

2031
01:41:15,120 --> 01:41:17,599
Speaker 1: he just resting on the laurels of how talented he

2032
01:41:17,680 --> 01:41:20,240
Speaker 1: is and not putting in the work. I don't think

2033
01:41:20,280 --> 01:41:23,280
Speaker 1: that's a fairer criticism, but I do think it was

2034
01:41:23,360 --> 01:41:25,720
Speaker 1: a criticism at one point, so I think maybe that's

2035
01:41:25,880 --> 01:41:26,479
Speaker 1: that's a thought.

2036
01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:28,880
Speaker 3: Also, Yeah, I.

2037
01:41:30,439 --> 01:41:33,519
Speaker 2: Think we're in agreement on this one is he's certainly

2038
01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:36,360
Speaker 2: an interesting character, and certainly, you know, I think this

2039
01:41:36,400 --> 01:41:39,320
Speaker 2: conversation is going to continue because to the conversation that

2040
01:41:39,320 --> 01:41:41,880
Speaker 2: we've had throughout this show and even throughout this hour.

2041
01:41:42,560 --> 01:41:46,000
Speaker 2: I don't think the Dallas Mavericks are going anywhere anytime soon.

2042
01:41:46,120 --> 01:41:48,320
Speaker 2: As they are up two to zero in the Western

2043
01:41:48,320 --> 01:41:49,880
Speaker 2: Conference Finals, we're going.

2044
01:41:49,800 --> 01:41:51,800
Speaker 3: To go up three to zero on Sunday night.

2045
01:41:52,040 --> 01:41:54,840
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio Air Tours, Jason Martin broadcasting that I

2046
01:41:54,960 --> 01:41:57,760
Speaker 2: from the Tireck dot Com studios will come back one

2047
01:41:57,840 --> 01:42:02,040
Speaker 2: more thought on the Dallas Mavericks and one guy who

2048
01:42:02,080 --> 01:42:05,799
Speaker 2: actually hasn't been annoying, which is kind of interesting unto itself.

2049
01:42:05,840 --> 01:42:08,120
Speaker 2: We'll discuss that next. Before we do, though, toss it

2050
01:42:08,120 --> 01:42:09,400
Speaker 2: over the news desk to Sega.

2051
01:42:09,720 --> 01:42:10,759
Speaker 3: What is trending?

2052
01:42:10,880 --> 01:42:13,320
Speaker 7: Dallas not only hosting the Game three Sunday night, but

2053
01:42:13,360 --> 01:42:16,080
Speaker 7: hosting Game four of the West Finals on Tuesday night.

2054
01:42:16,439 --> 01:42:19,000
Speaker 7: Monday night, on the holiday, the Pacers will be hosting

2055
01:42:19,040 --> 01:42:21,799
Speaker 7: Game four the East Finals, and that might end their season.

2056
01:42:21,840 --> 01:42:24,960
Speaker 7: Tyrese Halliburton, their star guard with his strained hamstring, was

2057
01:42:25,000 --> 01:42:28,120
Speaker 7: out for tonight. At least. They blew an eighteen point

2058
01:42:28,200 --> 01:42:30,720
Speaker 7: lead and lost at home to one seed Boston one

2059
01:42:30,840 --> 01:42:34,559
Speaker 7: fourteen one eleven. Now Haliburton had left in the third

2060
01:42:34,640 --> 01:42:38,479
Speaker 7: quarter last game injury of the hamstrings, same as he

2061
01:42:38,560 --> 01:42:41,120
Speaker 7: suffered in January. A guy who led the league in

2062
01:42:41,200 --> 01:42:44,840
Speaker 7: assists regular season, Andrew Nemhard, the Pacers did step in

2063
01:42:44,920 --> 01:42:48,439
Speaker 7: with thirty two points, nine assists. The rest of the

2064
01:42:48,479 --> 01:42:51,240
Speaker 7: team tonight from three point range was one of fifteen.

2065
01:42:51,720 --> 01:42:54,760
Speaker 7: TJ McConnell twenty three points off the bench. Boston was

2066
01:42:54,840 --> 01:42:59,679
Speaker 7: down eighteen late second quarter. They were down twelve points

2067
01:42:59,680 --> 01:43:03,360
Speaker 7: at the half, and then down eighteen again mid third quarter,

2068
01:43:03,840 --> 01:43:05,719
Speaker 7: and still won the game to go up three games

2069
01:43:05,720 --> 01:43:09,080
Speaker 7: to none in the East Finals. Jason Tatum thirty six points,

2070
01:43:09,120 --> 01:43:13,679
Speaker 7: ten rebounds, eight assists and no turnovers. The Celtics bench

2071
01:43:13,720 --> 01:43:17,320
Speaker 7: had four points. Starters had one hundred and ten. Al

2072
01:43:17,360 --> 01:43:19,880
Speaker 7: Horford with twenty three points from three point range, the

2073
01:43:19,880 --> 01:43:23,759
Speaker 7: big Man was seven of twelve among the WNBA games.

2074
01:43:23,760 --> 01:43:27,160
Speaker 7: Defending champion in Las Vegas whipped Indiana ninety nine eighty

2075
01:43:27,280 --> 01:43:30,240
Speaker 7: the fever one and six rookie Caitlin Clark eight points,

2076
01:43:30,280 --> 01:43:34,120
Speaker 7: seven assists, six turnovers. In the NHL, Dallas at home,

2077
01:43:34,160 --> 01:43:36,479
Speaker 7: one seed in the West, beat Edmonton three to one.

2078
01:43:36,560 --> 01:43:39,040
Speaker 7: That series tied at a game apiece. Game three Monday

2079
01:43:39,080 --> 01:43:42,559
Speaker 7: night at Edmonton. NASCAR's Coca Cola six hundred is Sunday

2080
01:43:42,640 --> 01:43:45,479
Speaker 7: Night on Fox TV from Charlotte. Ty Gibbs earned his

2081
01:43:45,520 --> 01:43:48,920
Speaker 7: first career Poll. Chase Elliott won today's Infinity Race. The

2082
01:43:49,000 --> 01:43:52,880
Speaker 7: INNDY five hundred is scheduled for tomorrow. Thunderstorms are expected there.

2083
01:43:53,120 --> 01:43:56,040
Speaker 7: In college softball, number one ranked Texas force to Game

2084
01:43:56,080 --> 01:43:58,800
Speaker 7: three tomorrow, beating Texas A and M and Extras nine

2085
01:43:58,840 --> 01:44:02,080
Speaker 7: to eight in nine innings. Alabama won in fourteen innings

2086
01:44:02,120 --> 01:44:04,880
Speaker 7: at Tennessee three to two to stay alive. Oklahoma State

2087
01:44:04,920 --> 01:44:08,280
Speaker 7: advanced again to Major League Baseball. The Cleveland Guardians have

2088
01:44:08,360 --> 01:44:10,880
Speaker 7: won eight games in a row. They won four to

2089
01:44:10,960 --> 01:44:14,000
Speaker 7: three at the Angels tonight, Jose Ramirez a two run homer.

2090
01:44:14,240 --> 01:44:17,120
Speaker 7: All the scoring came in the third inning. Philadelphia with

2091
01:44:17,160 --> 01:44:19,040
Speaker 7: six runs in the top of the ninth one at

2092
01:44:19,080 --> 01:44:21,639
Speaker 7: Colorado eight to four, Bryce Harper with a late three

2093
01:44:21,760 --> 01:44:25,320
Speaker 7: run homer. This from Stad's inc. So far in this

2094
01:44:25,439 --> 01:44:28,920
Speaker 7: Major League Baseball season, there have been four instances where

2095
01:44:28,960 --> 01:44:31,160
Speaker 7: a team was leading in the ninth inning or later

2096
01:44:31,720 --> 01:44:33,800
Speaker 7: only to give up at least five runs in that

2097
01:44:33,880 --> 01:44:37,439
Speaker 7: inning and surrender the lead. The Colorako Rockies are the

2098
01:44:37,479 --> 01:44:41,519
Speaker 7: team that have done that all four times, including tonight.

2099
01:44:42,040 --> 01:44:44,800
Speaker 7: The Phillies have won or had won twenty nine of

2100
01:44:44,880 --> 01:44:48,280
Speaker 7: thirty five until the eleven inning lost there. Last night,

2101
01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:51,120
Speaker 7: they got a ninth inning come back to win Tonight.

2102
01:44:51,240 --> 01:44:53,439
Speaker 7: Yankees have won four straight, one four to one at

2103
01:44:53,479 --> 01:44:56,880
Speaker 7: San Diego as the Padre offense was four for thirty one.

2104
01:44:57,280 --> 01:44:59,840
Speaker 7: Aaron Judge homerd for a fourth straight game. Yankees have

2105
01:44:59,840 --> 01:45:03,640
Speaker 7: won on eleven of thirteen and on fas one. Arizona

2106
01:45:03,720 --> 01:45:06,479
Speaker 7: edge Miami three to two. Jordan Montgomery, you'd had an

2107
01:45:06,520 --> 01:45:09,479
Speaker 7: ERA of about five, got the win for Arizona with

2108
01:45:09,520 --> 01:45:12,120
Speaker 7: six innings of work. The Marlins last night got a

2109
01:45:12,120 --> 01:45:15,679
Speaker 7: complete game shutout from Braxton Garrett on only ninety five pitches.

2110
01:45:16,040 --> 01:45:18,479
Speaker 7: Saint Louis won its fourth game in a row, Dodgers

2111
01:45:18,560 --> 01:45:21,120
Speaker 7: lost their fourth straight, Kansas City won its eighth in

2112
01:45:21,120 --> 01:45:24,639
Speaker 7: a row, Minnesota won its fourth straight, and the Giants

2113
01:45:24,640 --> 01:45:26,559
Speaker 7: won their fourth straight, a ten inning win at the

2114
01:45:26,600 --> 01:45:28,840
Speaker 7: Mets seven to two. Giants tied it with a run

2115
01:45:28,880 --> 01:45:31,240
Speaker 7: in the top of the ninth off Closer Edwin Diaz,

2116
01:45:31,640 --> 01:45:34,439
Speaker 7: whose ERA is up to five point four to zero.

2117
01:45:35,040 --> 01:45:38,880
Speaker 7: The Mets offense went four for thirty five with fourteen strikeouts.

2118
01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:42,400
Speaker 7: Mets have lost five in a row, but this to

2119
01:45:42,479 --> 01:45:45,040
Speaker 7: finish it up, we had baseball in Cooperstown, New York

2120
01:45:45,080 --> 01:45:48,000
Speaker 7: today the Hall of Fame East West Classic. Nine Negro

2121
01:45:48,120 --> 01:45:51,559
Speaker 7: League teams were honors. Guys were wearing various Negro League

2122
01:45:51,640 --> 01:45:56,240
Speaker 7: jerseys wool and in the sixth inning exhibition, Ryan Howard

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01:45:56,320 --> 01:45:58,639
Speaker 7: with a three run homer in his East team won

2124
01:45:58,760 --> 01:46:01,559
Speaker 7: five four. He was named player of the game. You

2125
01:46:01,640 --> 01:46:04,639
Speaker 7: had thirty former players on the field. It sold out

2126
01:46:04,720 --> 01:46:08,120
Speaker 7: doubled ay field. Curtis Granderson with an early home run

2127
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Speaker 7: in this game. Even Money Davis got into this game,

2128
01:46:12,400 --> 01:46:15,040
Speaker 7: the Little League World Series hero from a decade ago.

2129
01:46:15,080 --> 01:46:19,160
Speaker 7: Apparently she arrived late last night in Cooperstown because she

2130
01:46:19,280 --> 01:46:22,680
Speaker 7: had graduate courses all week at Columbia University. But she

2131
01:46:22,920 --> 01:46:24,840
Speaker 7: made a catch in center field to end one of

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Speaker 7: the innings as a sub. And before the game they

2133
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Speaker 7: had a home run derby won by Adam Jones over

2134
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Speaker 7: Prince Fielder. Back to you, thank you very much, to Sager.

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Speaker 7: To Sager, you'll be back on Sunday. I assume with the.

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Speaker 2: Mark Willard and Kyle Rudolph and Chris Plank. Plank's got

2137
01:46:44,439 --> 01:46:46,320
Speaker 2: to be in, right, I know, the Softball World Series.

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Speaker 7: Oh, he's working even harder now, by the way, it's

2139
01:46:48,840 --> 01:46:51,080
Speaker 7: a lot of Ephraim now that the NFL season is over.

2140
01:46:51,200 --> 01:46:53,679
Speaker 7: But yeah, looking for In fact, Chris has even subbed

2141
01:46:53,720 --> 01:46:56,320
Speaker 7: some overnights in the last couple Yea, he was well, yeah.

2142
01:46:56,200 --> 01:46:57,920
Speaker 2: He was in for Bernie Fratta, who of course is

2143
01:46:57,920 --> 01:47:01,000
Speaker 2: following us. Bernie was away last weekend. By the way, Bernie,

2144
01:47:01,040 --> 01:47:02,639
Speaker 2: I know you're listening. Hope you had a great trip.

2145
01:47:02,800 --> 01:47:05,200
Speaker 2: Bernie sent me some pictures this morning. I forgot to respond.

2146
01:47:05,240 --> 01:47:08,360
Speaker 2: But Fox Sports Radio er Tours, Jason Martin, thank you

2147
01:47:08,400 --> 01:47:10,200
Speaker 2: to Seger, to Sega again. We'll be back with Plank

2148
01:47:10,240 --> 01:47:12,840
Speaker 2: and Arnie amongst others on Sunday night.

2149
01:47:13,960 --> 01:47:14,920
Speaker 3: Jmart really quick.

2150
01:47:15,040 --> 01:47:18,919
Speaker 2: You know, we were talking about how sort of annoying

2151
01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:21,559
Speaker 2: you know, Luka Doncic can be.

2152
01:47:22,479 --> 01:47:25,120
Speaker 3: You know who hasn't been annoying at all this year?

2153
01:47:25,880 --> 01:47:29,680
Speaker 1: Oh? I do, as a matter of fact, Derek Lively. No,

2154
01:47:29,760 --> 01:47:33,080
Speaker 1: I'm just hearing he hasn't been either. Well, his hair depends.

2155
01:47:33,120 --> 01:47:34,800
Speaker 1: I mean, it's polarizing, it is.

2156
01:47:34,880 --> 01:47:37,799
Speaker 3: But now in all seriousness, we're talking about Kyrie Irving.

2157
01:47:38,720 --> 01:47:40,720
Speaker 2: Listen. I know you and I have touched on this.

2158
01:47:40,840 --> 01:47:43,439
Speaker 2: I know that probably most shows on this network have.

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01:47:44,280 --> 01:47:47,280
Speaker 2: You know, Listen, I don't know what has gone on

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01:47:47,320 --> 01:47:49,200
Speaker 2: with Kyrie Irving. I don't know if this is just

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01:47:49,400 --> 01:47:53,080
Speaker 2: natural maturity. I don't know if he's at a different

2162
01:47:53,120 --> 01:47:56,200
Speaker 2: point in his career. I don't know if it's something

2163
01:47:56,280 --> 01:47:59,760
Speaker 2: that Luka Doncic or Jason Kidd has done with him

2164
01:47:59,760 --> 01:48:04,479
Speaker 2: behind the scenes. Just you know, no one has ever

2165
01:48:04,560 --> 01:48:05,880
Speaker 2: questioned this guy's talent.

2166
01:48:06,360 --> 01:48:06,719
Speaker 3: Nobody.

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01:48:06,920 --> 01:48:09,120
Speaker 2: You know, he's really, honestly one of the most gifted

2168
01:48:09,160 --> 01:48:12,879
Speaker 2: I don't think it's hyperbole, say, relative to his size

2169
01:48:12,960 --> 01:48:15,879
Speaker 2: and what he can do, one of the most gifted

2170
01:48:15,920 --> 01:48:20,200
Speaker 2: players to ever step on a basketball court. But we

2171
01:48:20,320 --> 01:48:22,519
Speaker 2: also know that there has been a lot of other

2172
01:48:22,720 --> 01:48:26,559
Speaker 2: stuff that has come with him. You know, twenty twenty

2173
01:48:26,560 --> 01:48:29,400
Speaker 2: one season plays fifty four games, twenty two season plays

2174
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Speaker 2: twenty nine games. I know some of it is injury,

2175
01:48:31,840 --> 01:48:35,799
Speaker 2: but you know, there's off the court stuff. There's fighting

2176
01:48:35,840 --> 01:48:41,040
Speaker 2: with management. There's obviously commentary and tweets and this and

2177
01:48:41,080 --> 01:48:43,120
Speaker 2: that about some stuff that he probably should have been

2178
01:48:43,120 --> 01:48:46,680
Speaker 2: tweeting about. But Kyrie has been all about ball man.

2179
01:48:46,760 --> 01:48:51,840
Speaker 2: He's you know, in these playoffs has been phenomenal. He

2180
01:48:51,880 --> 01:48:55,639
Speaker 2: was obviously great in Game one, and you know it's

2181
01:48:55,760 --> 01:48:59,040
Speaker 2: nice to just be able to enjoy the basketball player

2182
01:48:59,360 --> 01:49:01,000
Speaker 2: without all this stuff going on off the court.

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01:49:01,080 --> 01:49:04,840
Speaker 1: Absolutely right. I mean, he did an interview after game one,

2184
01:49:05,200 --> 01:49:10,200
Speaker 1: Game one, yeah, and they asked him questions about, you know,

2185
01:49:10,200 --> 01:49:12,280
Speaker 1: when did you realize you needed to be a leader

2186
01:49:13,200 --> 01:49:17,200
Speaker 1: and what's your mindset, and basically he was saying, you know,

2187
01:49:17,240 --> 01:49:19,479
Speaker 1: I want to make sure that I put Luca in

2188
01:49:19,520 --> 01:49:23,120
Speaker 1: a position to succeed. And Luca kind of said similar

2189
01:49:23,160 --> 01:49:25,880
Speaker 1: things after Game two. It's just like, we don't really

2190
01:49:25,880 --> 01:49:29,600
Speaker 1: care which one of us or who it is. We

2191
01:49:29,720 --> 01:49:32,000
Speaker 1: just want to win the games. And you hear this

2192
01:49:32,040 --> 01:49:34,479
Speaker 1: stuff from Kyrie Irving and he says he realized during

2193
01:49:34,479 --> 01:49:36,880
Speaker 1: the offseason, after whatever that was at the end of

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01:49:36,960 --> 01:49:40,960
Speaker 1: last year with Dallas, that he could be a leader,

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01:49:41,120 --> 01:49:43,559
Speaker 1: that he was somebody that, you know, if he wanted

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01:49:43,600 --> 01:49:46,479
Speaker 1: to take that role, it was there for him. And

2197
01:49:46,600 --> 01:49:49,720
Speaker 1: so like just listening to him, he just looked like

2198
01:49:49,760 --> 01:49:52,280
Speaker 1: he was in a better place. He just looked like

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01:49:52,320 --> 01:49:56,719
Speaker 1: he was in a spot where he recognizes this moment

2200
01:49:56,800 --> 01:50:01,040
Speaker 1: for what it is. It is an opportunity to change

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01:50:01,240 --> 01:50:05,320
Speaker 1: the perception of you as a not as an on

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01:50:05,520 --> 01:50:08,400
Speaker 1: court athlete, because we know how great he is, but

2203
01:50:09,120 --> 01:50:11,880
Speaker 1: as a like, as a human being, as a man,

2204
01:50:12,120 --> 01:50:15,519
Speaker 1: as an athlete, as a teammate especially, you have an

2205
01:50:15,520 --> 01:50:19,320
Speaker 1: opportunity to change how people perceive you. You have an

2206
01:50:19,320 --> 01:50:22,200
Speaker 1: opportunity right now to change kind of the condition of

2207
01:50:22,240 --> 01:50:24,760
Speaker 1: your legacy and what it means. And if you can

2208
01:50:24,800 --> 01:50:27,120
Speaker 1: go win one without Lebron James, there's something to be

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01:50:27,160 --> 01:50:29,760
Speaker 1: said for that too, and I think Kyrie understands that.

2210
01:50:30,360 --> 01:50:32,559
Speaker 1: But this is not something any of us would have

2211
01:50:32,600 --> 01:50:36,120
Speaker 1: bet on. But it's great to watch because when this

2212
01:50:36,200 --> 01:50:39,760
Speaker 1: dude's just playing basketball, man, he's fun to watch, Like

2213
01:50:39,800 --> 01:50:42,320
Speaker 1: it's great to have him around, like this version of him.

2214
01:50:42,360 --> 01:50:45,280
Speaker 1: I'm all for this, Like this has been. I am

2215
01:50:45,320 --> 01:50:48,320
Speaker 1: so thrilled that he has proved all of us wrong

2216
01:50:49,080 --> 01:50:51,000
Speaker 1: and found a way to make this whole thing work.

2217
01:50:51,080 --> 01:50:53,040
Speaker 1: Because it's been. It's been a joy to watch. It

2218
01:50:53,080 --> 01:50:54,439
Speaker 1: really has no doubt.

2219
01:50:54,520 --> 01:50:57,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, And you know, I'm just curious if you know,

2220
01:50:57,720 --> 01:51:00,800
Speaker 2: he's thirty two years old right now, and I will say, like,

2221
01:51:00,920 --> 01:51:05,439
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, we got to remember when he

2222
01:51:05,560 --> 01:51:09,160
Speaker 2: demanded that trade from Brooklyn last year, and that was

2223
01:51:09,320 --> 01:51:11,559
Speaker 2: you know, again, that's a perfect example where he's not

2224
01:51:11,600 --> 01:51:13,640
Speaker 2: going to get his new contract, Joe said, kind of

2225
01:51:13,680 --> 01:51:15,840
Speaker 2: drew his line in the sand and said, like, you know,

2226
01:51:15,960 --> 01:51:18,599
Speaker 2: we'll talk after the season. I'm not promising anything right now.

2227
01:51:18,840 --> 01:51:22,240
Speaker 2: Guy basically demanded a trade. And by the way, I

2228
01:51:22,560 --> 01:51:24,920
Speaker 2: always think this is worth noting, like demanded a trade

2229
01:51:25,240 --> 01:51:28,799
Speaker 2: when the team was in fourth place in the standings,

2230
01:51:28,840 --> 01:51:31,800
Speaker 2: and he just basically said, don't care, trade me. I

2231
01:51:31,840 --> 01:51:34,439
Speaker 2: want to get paid. And so you know, we can't

2232
01:51:34,439 --> 01:51:37,479
Speaker 2: dismiss whatever. But I do wonder if you know, thirty

2233
01:51:37,479 --> 01:51:43,400
Speaker 2: two years old, you know, really I could be wrong,

2234
01:51:43,479 --> 01:51:45,559
Speaker 2: but I don't. I don't get the sense that when

2235
01:51:45,560 --> 01:51:47,759
Speaker 2: he was traded last year there was a really robust

2236
01:51:47,800 --> 01:51:50,439
Speaker 2: market for him. And I think the last thing is,

2237
01:51:50,479 --> 01:51:53,120
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, this could be the best last chance.

2238
01:51:53,160 --> 01:51:55,160
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess you know, if you screw this up,

2239
01:51:55,200 --> 01:51:59,200
Speaker 2: obviously there's not too many Luka Doncic's around you. You've

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Speaker 2: been blessed enough to play with Lebron, you asked out

2241
01:52:01,720 --> 01:52:03,639
Speaker 2: of that, You've been blessed enough to play with KD.

2242
01:52:03,760 --> 01:52:04,360
Speaker 3: He asked out of that.

2243
01:52:04,439 --> 01:52:04,559
Speaker 1: Man.

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01:52:04,760 --> 01:52:07,080
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is because a year ago

2245
01:52:07,120 --> 01:52:09,000
Speaker 2: he basically was playing with KD and he didn't care,

2246
01:52:09,040 --> 01:52:12,240
Speaker 2: he wanted out. And now a year later, you know,

2247
01:52:12,600 --> 01:52:16,120
Speaker 2: he's getting along great with Luca and it doesn't matter why.

2248
01:52:16,680 --> 01:52:19,400
Speaker 2: But I'll just wrap my portion of this Jason by saying,

2249
01:52:19,400 --> 01:52:22,559
Speaker 2: I give him credit because he clearly, at least this season,

2250
01:52:22,640 --> 01:52:25,120
Speaker 2: is a change man. It's been fun, like I said,

2251
01:52:25,120 --> 01:52:28,760
Speaker 2: to focus on the basketball, because I really do believe that.

2252
01:52:29,280 --> 01:52:30,240
Speaker 3: I don't think it's hyperberly.

2253
01:52:30,240 --> 01:52:32,240
Speaker 2: I think he's one of the most gifted players to

2254
01:52:32,439 --> 01:52:35,160
Speaker 2: ever play the game of basketball, and it's fun.

2255
01:52:34,920 --> 01:52:36,000
Speaker 3: To just watch him focus on it.

2256
01:52:36,040 --> 01:52:39,479
Speaker 1: It really is so goot feeling if he had gone

2257
01:52:39,520 --> 01:52:42,480
Speaker 1: to the Lakers, would we be having this same conversation

2258
01:52:43,520 --> 01:52:44,160
Speaker 1: zero percent?

2259
01:52:44,200 --> 01:52:46,479
Speaker 2: And I don't think it's really a hymn thing. I

2260
01:52:46,520 --> 01:52:48,839
Speaker 2: just think there's just so much noise with Lebron.

2261
01:52:49,120 --> 01:52:51,320
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I thought that's where you would go,

2262
01:52:51,320 --> 01:52:53,120
Speaker 1: and I'm one hundred percent with you. I was just

2263
01:52:53,439 --> 01:52:55,920
Speaker 1: I don't think we talked about enough. He could have

2264
01:52:55,960 --> 01:52:58,280
Speaker 1: gone in a lot of other places where this doesn't happen.

2265
01:52:58,479 --> 01:53:02,559
Speaker 1: I think he actually found this situation where he likes

2266
01:53:02,600 --> 01:53:04,920
Speaker 1: the roll he's in, he likes this guy that he's

2267
01:53:04,960 --> 01:53:07,439
Speaker 1: next to that he can trust, Like there's there's something

2268
01:53:07,479 --> 01:53:10,840
Speaker 1: about this that works. And I also look credit Jason Kidd,

2269
01:53:11,000 --> 01:53:14,960
Speaker 1: Like Jason Kidd has really done a good job with

2270
01:53:15,160 --> 01:53:19,040
Speaker 1: kind of the potential ego issues on that team. They

2271
01:53:19,040 --> 01:53:21,600
Speaker 1: don't seem to be an issue, like and then it

2272
01:53:21,720 --> 01:53:25,200
Speaker 1: really some of that has to be him zeroed out

2273
01:53:25,240 --> 01:53:27,439
Speaker 1: and really quickly, and we got to get to break here.

2274
01:53:27,479 --> 01:53:29,280
Speaker 1: But but credit to the front office as well.

2275
01:53:29,360 --> 01:53:34,000
Speaker 3: You know, PJ. Washington was a guy acquired at the deadline.

2276
01:53:34,120 --> 01:53:36,639
Speaker 3: Great pickup. Great pickup. Derek Lively.

2277
01:53:36,680 --> 01:53:38,400
Speaker 2: By the way, I remember us talking about this because

2278
01:53:38,400 --> 01:53:40,080
Speaker 2: it happened the day before he went on air. But

2279
01:53:40,320 --> 01:53:43,160
Speaker 2: if you remember, they could have made the play in

2280
01:53:43,600 --> 01:53:48,160
Speaker 2: and basically tanked their their their final game last year

2281
01:53:48,240 --> 01:53:50,680
Speaker 2: to protect a draft pick. They end up keeping it.

2282
01:53:51,280 --> 01:53:53,920
Speaker 2: They get Derek Lively with it. So it's all worked

2283
01:53:53,920 --> 01:53:57,720
Speaker 2: out and Dallas Maverick's now two games away from a

2284
01:53:57,760 --> 01:54:01,000
Speaker 2: trip to the NBA Finals. Fox Sports Radio Ertards Jason

2285
01:54:01,040 --> 01:54:03,479
Speaker 2: Martin broadcasting live from the Tyreck dot Com studios.

2286
01:54:03,479 --> 01:54:04,120
Speaker 3: We'll come back.

2287
01:54:04,560 --> 01:54:07,680
Speaker 2: We'll preview Game three of the Western conference finals and

2288
01:54:07,720 --> 01:54:10,599
Speaker 2: some other stuff from across the world of sports. This week,

2289
01:54:11,000 --> 01:54:16,160
Speaker 2: this is Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back everybody, Fox Sports

2290
01:54:16,280 --> 01:54:19,880
Speaker 2: Radio aeron towards Jason Martin, broadcasting live from the tyreck

2291
01:54:19,920 --> 01:54:21,920
Speaker 2: dot Com studios. We are taking you up till two

2292
01:54:21,960 --> 01:54:27,360
Speaker 2: am Eastern. Bernie Frado of The Bernie Frado Show will

2293
01:54:27,400 --> 01:54:30,639
Speaker 2: follow us. Bernie was off last week traveling the globe.

2294
01:54:31,600 --> 01:54:32,640
Speaker 3: He is back.

2295
01:54:32,400 --> 01:54:36,400
Speaker 2: Tonight, and you know he's got some thoughts on everything

2296
01:54:36,480 --> 01:54:38,440
Speaker 2: going on in the world of sports.

2297
01:54:38,800 --> 01:54:40,400
Speaker 1: I feel like Bernie Fratto would be the kind of

2298
01:54:40,400 --> 01:54:42,160
Speaker 1: guy that might have like a hot air balloon.

2299
01:54:43,200 --> 01:54:46,840
Speaker 3: Good good, I mean nothing with surprising me with Bertie.

2300
01:54:46,800 --> 01:54:48,040
Speaker 1: He's got that Vegas money.

2301
01:54:48,240 --> 01:54:50,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh, he does have that Vegas money. Yeah, he

2302
01:54:50,440 --> 01:54:52,240
Speaker 2: said it was I talked to him. I don't want

2303
01:54:52,240 --> 01:54:53,800
Speaker 2: to spoil his show, but he said I think he

2304
01:54:53,840 --> 01:54:55,640
Speaker 2: said the first time he's ever been to Europe. So

2305
01:54:55,840 --> 01:54:59,040
Speaker 2: I thought that was pretty cool. Went to Paris and London,

2306
01:54:59,080 --> 01:55:03,160
Speaker 2: among others. By the way, did get confirmation a tweet

2307
01:55:04,040 --> 01:55:07,720
Speaker 2: from well never mind, this is from yesterday. We were

2308
01:55:07,720 --> 01:55:10,320
Speaker 2: talking about the Pac twelve baseball tournament coming to a

2309
01:55:10,320 --> 01:55:13,080
Speaker 2: close today Arizona with a walk off win I believe

2310
01:55:13,200 --> 01:55:17,880
Speaker 2: that was the last ever Pack twelve sporting event. PAC

2311
01:55:17,960 --> 01:55:23,960
Speaker 2: twelve Network, their last live, their last live, you know,

2312
01:55:24,320 --> 01:55:28,360
Speaker 2: whatever you call it. Production was on Friday night for

2313
01:55:28,400 --> 01:55:29,520
Speaker 2: the PAC twelve babs Arney.

2314
01:55:29,840 --> 01:55:32,760
Speaker 1: You can take credit for the fact that your Arizona Wildcats,

2315
01:55:32,800 --> 01:55:35,160
Speaker 1: well on top put the lights out of the Back

2316
01:55:35,240 --> 01:55:36,000
Speaker 1: twelve conference.

2317
01:55:36,160 --> 01:55:38,600
Speaker 3: They sure did Pack twelve rip.

2318
01:55:38,760 --> 01:55:41,840
Speaker 2: There is still a couple of baseball you know, their

2319
01:55:41,880 --> 01:55:44,040
Speaker 2: teams are making the baseball tournament, so they'll be wearing

2320
01:55:44,040 --> 01:55:47,000
Speaker 2: that PAC twelve patch. But tonight was obviously the last

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01:55:47,120 --> 01:55:51,360
Speaker 2: day of the you know, last official league event. Jason,

2322
01:55:51,440 --> 01:55:53,120
Speaker 2: really quick, you know, we only got a couple of

2323
01:55:53,120 --> 01:55:56,120
Speaker 2: minutes left here. Do you have any big takes from

2324
01:55:56,280 --> 01:55:59,960
Speaker 2: the court case this week that basically ensures that start

2325
01:56:00,240 --> 01:56:03,480
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five, college athletes will be paid by

2326
01:56:03,520 --> 01:56:05,320
Speaker 2: the universities in which they attend.

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01:56:07,520 --> 01:56:09,800
Speaker 1: I just kind of feel like this was inevitable, Like

2328
01:56:09,840 --> 01:56:12,080
Speaker 1: eventually it wasn't just going to be the collectives because

2329
01:56:12,120 --> 01:56:15,200
Speaker 1: we already knew the collectives were associated with the universities anyway,

2330
01:56:15,400 --> 01:56:18,320
Speaker 1: Like there was just there was way too much and

2331
01:56:19,040 --> 01:56:23,360
Speaker 1: once the door is open, once the monopoly is broken,

2332
01:56:23,760 --> 01:56:27,680
Speaker 1: and fair trade and all the other nuances and details

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Speaker 1: of everything is there, Like I don't know when it stops,

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01:56:30,480 --> 01:56:32,560
Speaker 1: Like I don't know what stops this. For the NC

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Speaker 1: double A, I don't know what. Like, they're trying to

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01:56:35,720 --> 01:56:37,600
Speaker 1: hold onto any power they can, so they take this

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01:56:37,640 --> 01:56:39,800
Speaker 1: settlement because they're afraid the other, the next one might

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01:56:39,840 --> 01:56:42,240
Speaker 1: be even bigger, so they're trying to kind of cut

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01:56:42,240 --> 01:56:45,880
Speaker 1: this off of the pass and stop it. To some degree,

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01:56:46,000 --> 01:56:48,080
Speaker 1: I don't have a giant like I feel like we're

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01:56:48,080 --> 01:56:51,320
Speaker 1: going to talk about this over and over and over

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01:56:51,400 --> 01:56:54,040
Speaker 1: and over and over again, and right now I'm just

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01:56:54,120 --> 01:56:56,960
Speaker 1: kind of collecting thoughts and reading a bunch of articles

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01:56:57,640 --> 01:57:01,800
Speaker 1: and just kind of rating myself with it enough that

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01:57:02,200 --> 01:57:04,640
Speaker 1: I will have an opinion when the time comes. I

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01:57:04,640 --> 01:57:07,920
Speaker 1: think right now it's just kind of it just feels

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01:57:08,000 --> 01:57:11,440
Speaker 1: like this is what we've been building to anyway, and

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01:57:11,480 --> 01:57:15,440
Speaker 1: it's too early to see exactly what all the ramifications are.

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Speaker 1: I will say that if you are an an athlete

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01:57:18,040 --> 01:57:21,520
Speaker 1: in an Olympic sport, look out, because there are going

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01:57:21,600 --> 01:57:25,280
Speaker 1: to be some programs that get shut down because the

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01:57:25,320 --> 01:57:27,560
Speaker 1: revenue sharing is going to be a massive problem. It's

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01:57:27,560 --> 01:57:29,920
Speaker 1: going to be a massive discussion and there's gonna be

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01:57:30,040 --> 01:57:33,280
Speaker 1: a lot of hand ringing about the fact that the

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01:57:33,280 --> 01:57:35,240
Speaker 1: sports that actually make money are going to be the

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Speaker 1: ones that get the lion's share of this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's really honestly, my only takeaway,

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01:57:40,520 --> 01:57:42,440
Speaker 2: you know, I saw the story and I knew we'd

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01:57:42,480 --> 01:57:46,040
Speaker 2: probably talk about it. My only real takeaway is I

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01:57:46,320 --> 01:57:49,400
Speaker 2: think there's probably people that don't pay a ton of

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01:57:49,440 --> 01:57:52,800
Speaker 2: attention that think that, you know, this is like the

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01:57:52,800 --> 01:57:55,680
Speaker 2: finish line and like, oh, we're here, everybody's getting paid.

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01:57:55,760 --> 01:57:58,400
Speaker 2: But it's like there's still a lot to figure out.

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01:57:58,440 --> 01:58:02,440
Speaker 2: To your point, is it only revenue sports? Do does

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01:58:02,520 --> 01:58:04,720
Speaker 2: every athlete get at least a little bit of a cut?

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01:58:04,760 --> 01:58:07,000
Speaker 2: How is it tiered? You know, is it for veterans

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01:58:07,040 --> 01:58:09,920
Speaker 2: first freshmen to get the least? Collectives will still be

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01:58:10,040 --> 01:58:13,240
Speaker 2: involved because there are still name, image likeness opportunities. What

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01:58:13,280 --> 01:58:15,160
Speaker 2: do we do with the transfer portal? Do we one

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01:58:15,200 --> 01:58:18,240
Speaker 2: day get to employment status? So it's a it's a

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01:58:18,480 --> 01:58:20,960
Speaker 2: it's a it's where we were headed. But I don't

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01:58:20,960 --> 01:58:22,360
Speaker 2: think this is the finish line that a lot of

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01:58:22,400 --> 01:58:24,080
Speaker 2: people think. We do really quickly. We got about a

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Speaker 2: minute left Game three Sunday night, Minnesota traveling to Dallas

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01:58:29,360 --> 01:58:30,000
Speaker 2: down oh two.

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Speaker 3: Does Minnesota get a win?

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Speaker 1: Yes, I think they do. I think getting away from

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01:58:33,800 --> 01:58:35,840
Speaker 1: their own building, actually the pressure is gonna be off

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01:58:35,880 --> 01:58:37,520
Speaker 1: a little bit. I think they're gonna play a little

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01:58:37,520 --> 01:58:41,560
Speaker 1: bit freer. Uh. And just I feel like some of

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01:58:41,600 --> 01:58:43,680
Speaker 1: the shots that have been missing for a couple guys

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01:58:43,720 --> 01:58:45,640
Speaker 1: are going to start falling for them. I think two

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01:58:45,640 --> 01:58:47,680
Speaker 1: to one is inevitable, even though I do think Dallas

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01:58:47,720 --> 01:58:48,840
Speaker 1: is probably gonna win the series.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean, you look at this series.

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01:58:51,800 --> 01:58:54,600
Speaker 2: You know, Minnesota a one oh nine, one o eight,

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01:58:54,720 --> 01:58:57,040
Speaker 2: or excuse me, Dallas a one point win last night

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01:58:57,240 --> 01:58:59,760
Speaker 2: a three point win for Dallas which could have gone

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01:58:59,760 --> 01:59:02,800
Speaker 2: either way in Game one really quickly, I think I

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01:59:02,840 --> 01:59:07,120
Speaker 2: know the answer. Game four, Monday Night Indie Indie hosting Boston.

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Speaker 3: Does Boston close things out?

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01:59:08,440 --> 01:59:10,480
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think so. I think this was the last

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01:59:10,480 --> 01:59:13,240
Speaker 1: best shot for Indiana to get one and maybe turn

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01:59:13,320 --> 01:59:15,200
Speaker 1: this into a series. I just I think that I

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01:59:15,280 --> 01:59:17,160
Speaker 1: think this one probably took all their heart out.

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01:59:17,720 --> 01:59:19,720
Speaker 2: I agree, and I you know, I said this earlier

2397
01:59:19,720 --> 01:59:24,160
Speaker 2: in the show, but hamstrings Tyres Haliburton was out with

2398
01:59:24,200 --> 01:59:26,920
Speaker 2: a hamstring. That's not something that just gets magically fixed

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01:59:26,920 --> 01:59:27,520
Speaker 2: in two days.

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Speaker 3: We gotta get out of here.

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Speaker 2: I want to thank the crew, Mary Mack on the board,

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01:59:30,240 --> 01:59:33,800
Speaker 2: producer Shay Steve Desager on the updates for my partner

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01:59:33,880 --> 01:59:34,440
Speaker 2: Jason Martin.

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01:59:34,480 --> 01:59:35,480
Speaker 3: I'm Aaron Torres.

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