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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my

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Speaker 1: name is Noel, and I am Ben. Most importantly, as

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Speaker 1: we anticipated a bit of let's say, helpful feedback. I

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Speaker 1: it like can you do like a previously unlost kind

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Speaker 1: Citizens for Constitutional Freedom, led by a fellow named Ammond Bundy.

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Speaker 1: When whenever we touched most topics, we know that they're

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Speaker 1: US using the Royal. We look at it, look at us.

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Speaker 1: Ladi DA. The US produced eleven point six billion barrels

429
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Speaker 1: of oil in ten billion with a b H, and

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Speaker 1: that overtakes both UH Russia and Saudi Arabia, who were

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Speaker 1: producing UH. Saudi Arabia is producing eleven point five billion

432
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Speaker 1: barrels and a lot of people don't think about the

433
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Speaker 1: US outproducing Saudi Arabian oil. And it's by a slim margin,

434
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Speaker 1: but it's still uh, it's still there. The current state

435
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Speaker 1: of legislation, as we said, G seven and other countries

436
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: have these big plans, big plans, right, we're gonna have

437
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Speaker 1: We're gonna have solar energy that's super efficient, will be

438
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: powered by the sun and the wind and the water

439
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 1: like some kind of Captain planet. Well, it's possible. I

440
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: think it's still possible, but it is absolutely it is

441
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: absolutely possible. They just need, you know, a couple of

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Speaker 1: trillion dollars to set all the infrastructure up, and they

443
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Speaker 1: were good. Yeah. I like the idea of combining these

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Speaker 1: different sources too. You know, you've got like when the

445
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: sun doesn't shine, you got the wind, when you got

446
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Speaker 1: with his water. I was reading a thing the other

447
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 1: week about how I think it's Portland. Of course, UM

448
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: has installed turbines in the plumbing, like the city of

449
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 1: sewage pipes, so when people flush the toilet, it turns

450
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Speaker 1: these turbines. They usually to generate some amount of electricity

451
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Speaker 1: that gets into the grid. So, I mean, we know

452
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Speaker 1: these solutions exist. It's just a matter of a little

453
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Speaker 1: innovation and a little bit of you know, investment. But

454
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Speaker 1: there's a given take to this because the push for

455
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Speaker 1: alternative energy often waxes and wanes based on the price

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Speaker 1: of a barrel of oil. So when oil was a

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Speaker 1: hundred dollars hundred u s dollars a barrel, than any

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Speaker 1: alternative source that could match that cost, that price point

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Speaker 1: makes sense. Now that the price of oil is plummeting,

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Speaker 1: there is less of an incentive, So what what's going

461
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Speaker 1: to happen. That doesn't mean it's impossible. Such a narrow

462
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Speaker 1: view of it, though, you know, I mean, it just

463
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Speaker 1: feels like you're not looking at the real issue. I

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Speaker 1: don't know, it's general you, the general you, and the

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Speaker 1: royal way. We're starting an army of pronoun hypothetical army,

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Speaker 1: hypothetical army. But that you know, that's a great point.

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Speaker 1: That's something that we're going to see how being over

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Speaker 1: and over again over the next few years. Right. However,

469
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Speaker 1: in the long term, that's the goal. That's everybody's goal.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what ideology there is, it is the

471
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Speaker 1: goal is to create some sort of uh energy source

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Speaker 1: that is that frees us from the strange uh, the

473
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Speaker 1: strange cycle of fossil fuel, and right now, fossil fuel

474
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Speaker 1: is it's the huge business. You know, oil companies have

475
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Speaker 1: fundamentally affected the direction of human civilization, from the way

476
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Speaker 1: nations are formed, to the way they fall, from the

477
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Speaker 1: which currency people around the world use. And many times

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Speaker 1: people will say that oil companies are not playing even

479
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Speaker 1: in the modern day. They're not playing according to the rules.

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Speaker 1: And we're gonna get into that right after we take

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Speaker 1: a short break and you're a message from our sponsors.

482
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Speaker 1: There's where it gets crazy. So these ideas of corporations

483
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: covering up oil spills fossil fuel leaks are not conspiracy theories,

484
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Speaker 1: you know, are conspiracy facts. We're gonna talk about a

485
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Speaker 1: couple of examples here, and we'd like to hear your

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Speaker 1: opinion of this, especially if you have personal experience with

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Speaker 1: with these events, and I have, uh somewhat, I have

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Speaker 1: a little bit actually vicariously from a previous let's call

489
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Speaker 1: it previous life or something. But the first one I

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Speaker 1: want to talk about is the deep Water Horizon spill.

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Speaker 1: As some of our listeners may not remember this, or

492
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Speaker 1: maybe it wasn't big news in your part of the world,

493
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Speaker 1: but it sure wasn't ours. So travel with us a

494
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Speaker 1: two thousand and ten in the Gulf of Mexico one

495
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Speaker 1: mile underwater something called the Mircondo Oil Well, and this

496
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Speaker 1: is extracting. This is built to extract, uh, some of

497
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Speaker 1: those reservoirs we're talking about, and this is a massive reservoir. Right.

498
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Speaker 1: It's good business until that is the well blows apart,

499
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: which is bad medicine for the semi submersible oil rig

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Speaker 1: atop the water a mile up extracting this oil. It's

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Speaker 1: known as the deep Water Horizon, and it explodes, killing

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Speaker 1: eleven workers injuring seventeen and letting a massive deluge of

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Speaker 1: oil through the Gulf of Mexico for a long time,

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Speaker 1: for a very long time. This is a for about

505
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Speaker 1: eighty seven days. This is a place where, this place

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Speaker 1: where a third of the US seafood arrives from. This

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Speaker 1: is a place where all along the shore, they're they're beaches.

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Speaker 1: There are small towns that rely on you know, tourism.

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Speaker 1: The entire space is built on seafood and tourism. I

510
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Speaker 1: mean really that almost all of it. And BP, which

511
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Speaker 1: was the operator of Deep Water Rising U immediately goes

512
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Speaker 1: into panic mode and they say, Okay, we're gonna hire

513
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Speaker 1: so many people are gonna mitigate this disaster as best

514
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Speaker 1: we can, because we're talking about by the time it's

515
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Speaker 1: all said and done, we're talking about two hundred and

516
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Speaker 1: ten million gallons of oil, which is something that's hard

517
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Speaker 1: to visualize. Yeah, and so BP finds something they call

518
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Speaker 1: it disperse into and they say, we're going to put

519
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Speaker 1: out one point for million gallons of this dispersing. And

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Speaker 1: here's what the dispersing will do. It will, uh, it

521
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: will attach itself to the oil in the water, will

522
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Speaker 1: break that oil into droplets and disperse those droplets into

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Speaker 1: the vast reaches of the gulf so that it doesn't

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Speaker 1: reach the shoreline. Yeah. So so we'll make it less concentrated.

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Speaker 1: And now it's not going to be such a big

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Speaker 1: deal because well, you know, not all the shrimp are

527
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Speaker 1: gonna get you know, infected with oil. Didn't also supposedly

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Speaker 1: make it easier to like soak up using some other

529
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Speaker 1: materials that they had they would put right. They would

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Speaker 1: not NAT's exactly, but there was some sort of material

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Speaker 1: they would cast out that supposedly would like actually soak

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Speaker 1: up the oil. But the disperse it wasn't the only

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Speaker 1: thing that we're doing, because again, this is just so

534
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Speaker 1: much oil. This is one of the largest spills accidental

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Speaker 1: spills in history, and so they were throwing everything they

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Speaker 1: could add it. And the best thing about this dispersing,

537
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: which its brand name or street name is Core Exit,

538
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Speaker 1: was that it was if you follow the right precautions visually,

539
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: it was safe to you. So all these all these

540
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 1: employees who are hired to help combat this disaster or

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Speaker 1: volunteers in many cases, uh, we're also going to be

542
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Speaker 1: taken care of. And and you know, the residents in

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Speaker 1: affected areas. Everybody better core eggs at than oil, right

544
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: at least that is until hundreds to thousands of workers

545
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Speaker 1: on the clean up started having strange ailments, you know,

546
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Speaker 1: muscle spasms, short term memory loss hot and I'm not

547
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: talking about hopping in the car and forgetting where you're

548
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Speaker 1: driving or walking into a room and forgetting why you

549
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 1: walked in. I'm talking about hopping into a car realizing

550
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: you're not wearing pants, which is funny until it really

551
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: happens to you. Yeah, it wasn't. These are symptoms that

552
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: are similar to things too, symptoms that were being experienced

553
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Speaker 1: by veterans. Yeah, with like the Gulf Force syndrome stuff. Yes, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's according to Michael Robo show, Louisiana physician, and he

555
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 1: was a former state senator. He found a hundred and

556
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: fourteen patients with these similar complaints and he said he's

557
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: never seen this grouping of symptoms together skin problems in

558
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: the logical impairments plus pulmonary problems, at least until other

559
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: people recognize this as so similar to those who suffer

560
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: from Gulf War syndrome, which maybe we should cover to

561
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Speaker 1: in an upcoming episode. So j The well is finally plugged.

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Speaker 1: This is the biggest oil leak in world's history, two

563
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Speaker 1: hundred and ten million gallons of oil into the Gulf

564
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Speaker 1: of Mexico. Yep. Two hundred and ten The thing is now.

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Speaker 1: Despite the enormity of this disaster, it's not often remembered,

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Speaker 1: even though it is one of here's the thing. It

567
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Speaker 1: is one of it leads to one of the largest,

568
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Speaker 1: most expensive of corporate trials in US history. While this

569
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Speaker 1: stuff is happening, bp IS is trying to mitigate the

570
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 1: environmental damage, but they're also doing damage control for their

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Speaker 1: their public persona. Right, I'm pretty sure I just have

572
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: to jump in and say, in my opinion, not the

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Speaker 1: opinion and house of how Stuff Works or any of

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Speaker 1: our parent companies. Matt Frederick, citing his opinion here, I

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00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: believe that the damage control began to save or at

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Speaker 1: least mitigate the effects on the company itself well before

577
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: anybody made calls about, you know, saving lives. And that's

578
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: just my opinion because it felt that way and the

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Speaker 1: steps that we're taking the corrects it itself. The disperse

580
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: itt that was supposed to help people, you know, we

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00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: found out that it caused terrible things to humans who

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Speaker 1: are working with it. We also found out that it

583
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Speaker 1: didn't actually disperse anything. What it did is it it

584
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: clumped up with the oil and it sank it to

585
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: the bottom so that cameras couldn't see. Not to mention

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Speaker 1: the no fly zone that was instituted over top of

587
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Speaker 1: most of the Gulf of Mexico when it was happening.

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00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,760
Speaker 1: I just get sorry, I get I get a little

589
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: I get upset because I remember when we were covering this,

590
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Speaker 1: we made a video about it, and I was really

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00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 1: deep into it, and I just, uh, there's so many

592
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: people who are affected by it, and then BP ended

593
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: up getting out of a lot of the money that

594
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: they were going to have to pay. But it does,

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Speaker 1: it does go on from there at least. Well, I

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00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 1: you know, I'm glad you you anticipated that we're talking

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Speaker 1: about the flat no fly zone because that's gonna come up.

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Speaker 1: But I do have to respectfully disagree because companies of

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00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: this size have the ability to do both of those things.

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Speaker 1: Can currently you know I I I am completely sure

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Speaker 1: that a plan exists for this sort of stuff on

602
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Speaker 1: the PR side as well as on the emergency response side,

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00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: because that has to be in place. Well, it should

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00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: be in place just for insurance purposes. Okay, So I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying it's altruism. I'm saying that it's a necessary

606
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: step in doing business, and also like having a high

607
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: profile response um to aid people that the public would

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00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: see as being victims of this right off the bat,

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00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: not to mention the long term victims in terms of

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Speaker 1: the people that lost their businesses, lost their livelihood. I

611
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 1: think that's an important part of any PR campaign, you know,

612
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Speaker 1: to be seen as being quick to respond and to

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Speaker 1: take care of our own people, you know, who we're

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Speaker 1: putting their lives in danger to, you know, make us

615
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: a whole lot of money. Just don't worry about the

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00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: residents of the Gulf of Mexico. There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: goes into this man there and it continues. I I

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Speaker 1: I'm right there with you. I remember when this was happening,

619
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Speaker 1: and the thought that occurred to me was there and

620
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Speaker 1: it's never gonna be the same ever again. Like you

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Speaker 1: know this it's sort of like with Pukushima, and you

622
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Speaker 1: know that proved not necessarily be the case with both

623
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Speaker 1: of those things. But I remember my brain at the

624
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: time seeing that oil gushing out on TV and it's like,

625
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Speaker 1: how how how is it still how is it still gushing?

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Speaker 1: How is this possible? That was definitely there was definitely

627
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Speaker 1: image management there, because this is something that um Matt

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Speaker 1: and I talked about when we were making a video,

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Speaker 1: which was the snow fly zone supposedly for safety or

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Speaker 1: some other nominally reasonable cause it seemed like it was

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Speaker 1: just as plausible that this would be to prevent mass

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Speaker 1: media images of gigantic oil slicks right nautical miles wide.

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Speaker 1: But the the other part of it is I used

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Speaker 1: to have a job before I worked here. It's true,

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Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, I didn't always work here, And in

636
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Speaker 1: that job, people would call me when disasters occurred. This

637
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: could be something as small as hitting a deer in

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Speaker 1: the backwoods of Ohio. This could be something as personally

639
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 1: catastrophic as your house part of your house burning down.

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Speaker 1: This could be something disastrous like the old lady who

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Speaker 1: called me during Hurricane Katrina because she was in the

642
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: third floor of her house the water was rising and

643
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: no one else would answer the phone. And having encountering

644
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: situations like this, one of the first things that happened

645
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,959
Speaker 1: is that whomever is supposed to be the first line

646
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: of response for a you know, for like, call this

647
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: number in case of a disaster in oil leak have

648
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 1: very very stringent rules about what they can and cannot

649
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 1: say and how to essentially refer people to someone else

650
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: who will refer them to someone else. And it's a

651
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: it's dangerous it's a dangerous thing. I have a difficult

652
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: time ascribing motives with certitude, but we can measure actions.

653
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: And if you would like to learn more about the

654
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: deep water horizon, you know, I would ask I would

655
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: ask you to check out our video on that. Now,

656
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: it's early in our career. It's early in our strange

657
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: experiment of stuff. They don't want you to so be kind. Well, yeah,

658
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 1: and a lot of there were a lot of pending

659
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: things with litigation going on at that time, and fines

660
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: that we're trying to be levied against BP, and then

661
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: it would get out of some of them, and then

662
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: there would be more fines laid on them, and then

663
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: these felonies came along a little bit later. Um. I

664
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: was reading the scene in the New York time has

665
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: been that BP agreed to pay eighteen point seven billion

666
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: dollars in total like paying out claims. And the fact

667
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: that they can do that and still exists. What does

668
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: that tell you about the magnetitude of a company like that,

669
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: and just the oil industry, the fossil fuel industry at large.

670
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just of a leviathan. And again I'm

671
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: gonna say it like it is. It is true. It's

672
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: similar to a large international banking system, whereas fees for

673
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: breaking the law become a part of the business. But

674
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: it is not the same because these are not anticipated

675
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: events and at worst what they committed beforehand would maybe

676
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: be negligence. I mean, it's so convenient to it's so

677
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: convenient to UM have black and white villains. It is

678
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: so convenient, but it is not realistic. And I I

679
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: don't agree with the actions personally, but as far as

680
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: the facts, the facts speak for themselves. So regardless of

681
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:31,439
Speaker 1: how you feel on a personal level, listeners about what

682
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: occurred with the deep Water Horizon spill that tragedy. UH

683
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 1: Congress or the Department of Justice actually gives UH gives

684
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: British Petroleum fourteen felonies they plead guilty, and one of

685
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: these included lying to Congress. Another included a four point

686
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: five billion dollar fine, the largest fine of its time

687
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: ever levied against the corporation in the US. So I

688
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 1: wouldn't call this a happy ending, but it is an

689
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: ending um of sorts. And this is not to say

690
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: that people some of you listening now may be feeling

691
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: the effects of core exit or be still living in

692
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: an area that remains affected by this spill. This is,

693
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: you know, by far, not the only example of these

694
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:24,240
Speaker 1: sorts of things. There is another story. It takes place

695
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 1: a little bit further south in Ecuador. The Lago Agria

696
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: oil field was is an oil rich area near the

697
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: city of Nueva Loja in the province of Sgumbios, Ecuador. Yeah. Yeah,

698
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: it's a oil was discovered there in the sixties, right,

699
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: and it's known internationally now for the ecological problems that

700
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: oil development created there. So this is the waters polluted,

701
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: the soils contaminated, UH and you know, the trees are

702
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: being mowed down. Since nineteen, lawyers have tried to force

703
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: UH Mexico and its parent company Chevron to clean up

704
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: the area and to take care of or provide you know,

705
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 1: medical care compensation for the people who are affected. UH.

706
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: In February two thousand eleven, Ecuadorian court said, hey, Chevron,

707
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,760
Speaker 1: you owe the people of this area eight billion dollars

708
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 1: in compensation. And Chevron said, nah, nah be that's a

709
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: legitimate that doesn't that doesn't make sense. That was a

710
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: really good Chevron impersonation. Thank you, Thank you. UM. Some

711
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 1: people do Christopher walking and specialize in Chevron. Uh. The

712
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: In two thousand and fourteen, however, the U S Court

713
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: said that this verdict was obtained illegally essentially, and said

714
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: there was bribing, was corruption, there was racketeering. Uh but

715
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, can I stop me for a wee second?

716
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: That term racketeering? I just love, But what does it

717
00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: really mean? Racketeering is a because you always think of

718
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: the Mafia, right and that movie The Rocketeer. Yes, what

719
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: happened in the Oh he wore a howlmet and had

720
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: a rocket suit and you know, fought the Nazis Um,

721
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: totally different word entirely, but if you would, I'm sure

722
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 1: some other people rockets. Okay, So racketeering is uh, it's

723
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: kind of a slang term and it comes from racket.

724
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 1: So the reason a lot of people, including myself, associated

725
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: with the mafia is because it's like an organized crime thing.

726
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: It's when an organized group or institution or association runs

727
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: an illegal business. Right, So we're fixing horse races, We're

728
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 1: what's a what's a good illegal thing? Loan sharking? We're

729
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: loan sharking. Yeah, mattnite, and you're getting the loan shark list.

730
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: That's more or less the image that I had of it,

731
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: but I just wanted to make sure or we're lobbying

732
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 1: in a country where that's illegal. Anyhow So, the US

733
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: court in says, okay, we'll grant you this injunction. Because

734
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: these this ruling had crime involved, you know, in reaching it,

735
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: and you know, involved coercion and stuff like that, no

736
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:17,760
Speaker 1: court system in the world will be able to enforce

737
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: this um and this ruling. However, and you know this

738
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: is not to say that uh Chevron didn't didn't go

739
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: back and forth on saying, well, we did attempt to

740
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: clean or remediate the area, we've we've done what we're

741
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: supposed to do, or there's no proof that this is

742
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: associated with us, or that most of these crude spills

743
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: occurred after Texico withdrew. So the impact here is, according

744
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: to the plaintiffs, that there's a spike in cancer rates

745
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: and that it's due to contamination of the water. But

746
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: the oil company maintains that there's no causual link. You know,

747
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: there's no causation. So after after all of this happens,

748
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:12,240
Speaker 1: people have people have gone back and forth with various

749
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: The fight got very very dirty, and it continues today

750
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 1: because I there were some tapes or video that was

751
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: a video acquired by people fighting on the Ecuadorian side

752
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: that apparently showed uh, engineers are contractors for the oil company,

753
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:40,959
Speaker 1: just disregarding the proof, saying like, oh, uh, let's let's

754
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: check here and see if there's still oil in the area. Yeah,

755
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:45,439
Speaker 1: you can find someone was on live leak. I've seen

756
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 1: several of those. Right, it's just blatant. Yeah. And then

757
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 1: the almost called it the Chevronian side, but the oil

758
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 1: company side says we also found videos where where in

759
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 1: an Ecuadorian judge during the time that the trial is

760
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,479
Speaker 1: going on, just said out and now all right, yeah,

761
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: you know whatever, they're guilty. I'll just I'll like, I'll

762
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: basically sit through it and then just say they're guilty, like,

763
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: don't don't worry, don't you don't you worry, you're pretty head. Uh.

764
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: And you know it's illegal for a judge to do

765
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 1: that or and uh, I'm sure that some judges have,

766
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 1: but you know, it's also you got caught a video

767
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: doing that. However, it turned out in a publication that

768
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: one of the people associated with recording that video was

769
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 1: actually someone who's contracted with Chevron and blackmailed them, and

770
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: that person was moved to the US at Chevron's time

771
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 1: and paid an undisclosed settlement amount. I never would have

772
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: expected that, So uh as we are, you know, I

773
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: think that it's still in the system now that there's

774
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: still a legal battle going on, and we're not sure

775
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: how it's how it's gonna work out. There's a lot

776
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: of money at stake, and also the time horizon for

777
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,280
Speaker 1: this is very long. You know, if you can afford

778
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 1: legal representation, then you have a case, and you're a company,

779
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: you have a case that could potentially become immortal in court.

780
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: And it helps if you, you know, produce oil, because

781
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: then you're basically just pulling money out of the ground,

782
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: billions and billions of dollars. That's an interesting way to

783
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: look at it. It's also more and more expensive though,

784
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: to to create oil, to to refine it, to find it.

785
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: Like Norway is going to be quite possibly a lot

786
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: of trouble because the um the system of Norway right

787
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: wherein the oil is pulled into a state owned corporation.

788
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: A lot of the budgeting for that is based on

789
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: a price point for a barrel of oil, which is

790
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: far higher than there is now. You know, so this

791
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: being um involved with oil as a state or as

792
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 1: a company does not make one immune. I'm not saying immune,

793
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:58,280
Speaker 1: and I'm saying filthy rich. This is something that occurred

794
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: to me at the top of the show. Um, you know,

795
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: with the deep water horizon for example, that's just the

796
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: kind of unmitigated disaster that's just so in the public consciousness,

797
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: you know, and it's just on TV and it's just

798
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 1: on everybody's mind. You can't really cover it up. There's

799
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 1: things you could probably do, as you were saying, Matt,

800
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: to kind of mitigate what the damages will be to

801
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: your company in terms of how much you have to

802
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 1: pay out, etcetera. But this, uh, this Ecuador story to

803
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: me seems like one that would be easier to cover up.

804
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: Not easier, but it's just you know, this is not

805
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 1: what is the top of mind for many people, and

806
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 1: they think about these kinds of things. And I think

807
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: that this proof positive that there are um public relations

808
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: efforts that do stick. That people, the companies, they rewrite

809
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: history so that it benefits them and so you know,

810
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: you don't remember these things, and it happens all the time.

811
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: For breakfast, you know, that's a good question too. Well, yeah,

812
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 1: it's the it's the out of sight, out of mind thing, right,

813
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 1: that's it's happening in Ecuador and in the American in

814
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 1: the American public's mind. That just it stinks. But that's

815
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:06,879
Speaker 1: the way it is. And I mean, you know, even

816
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: talking about the deep Water Horizon thing, I mean, I

817
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: was in a rage, and I you know, thinking back

818
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:16,240
Speaker 1: on it now, I am still obviously, but it's certainly

819
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: not something I've been dwelling on daily. And a lot

820
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 1: of that has to do with the fact that these

821
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: efforts succeed. It was almost six years ago, it's true, Matt.

822
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 1: But can you think of anything that's happened in those

823
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: six years that was just drastically, you know, damaging to

824
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:37,760
Speaker 1: our environments, you know, closer to home, affecting the lives

825
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 1: of people you may know, I don't know, it's just

826
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:48,919
Speaker 1: it's a biggie, see your point. Maybe that's why I'm

827
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,399
Speaker 1: still feels like an open wound, even though I wasn't

828
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: even affected that hard, which is crazy. I'm just one

829
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:58,280
Speaker 1: of those people who goes on the Internet and winds

830
00:51:58,280 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: about it. I guess. No, it's easy to in turn

831
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 1: a lot of these things too. I mean, you're an

832
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 1: empathetic person, as I think are we all in this room.

833
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: For the most part, I have three feelings a year.

834
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: I'm excited the first one is going to kick in

835
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: around August. I look forward to that. But uh, well,

836
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: one one point I want to also make the so

837
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: towards us is are we not in some way responsible

838
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 1: for these sorts of things if we live in an

839
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:31,359
Speaker 1: oil powered civilization? Right? Uh? And is there is there?

840
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: This is such a dangerous question. Is there some way

841
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: to look at the cost benefit on a large scale?

842
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: And is there some part in the deep dark recesses

843
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: of your American consumer mind that's like, well, that's just

844
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: the cost of doing business. I don't think it's I

845
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: don't think it's entirely fair to call it an American

846
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: consumer mind, because there are consumers around the world, of course,

847
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: But I just mean in terms of our consumption of

848
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: oil as a country and are dependent on it, and

849
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: you know, we won't be able to drive our cars

850
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 1: around and now we want all that stuff. I don't know.

851
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 1: Every time I get into my little conversion SUV thing,

852
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: I have this tremendous guilt And now that I'm thinking

853
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: about it. I'm such a hypocrite. Oh wow, wow, I'm

854
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: gonna go. I'm gonna go lay down the corner, guys.

855
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: So in and I understand. These are two separate cases

856
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 1: we've talked about so far, deep Water Horizon and the

857
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 1: case in Ecuador. In one case, uh, there was in

858
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: one case, one of the contentions was that it was

859
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:38,240
Speaker 1: happened uh pretty far in the past now six years.

860
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,839
Speaker 1: And then for deep Water the other one, in the

861
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: case of Ecuador, Uh, it was the idea that maybe

862
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: this is something happening in foreign countries, so it's a

863
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: bit easier to remove it from the public mind. So

864
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 1: what then, what would happen then? In the case where

865
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: there was something that was happening immediately like now now today,

866
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 1: and it was a little bit closer to home, that

867
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 1: would be like the situation that's happening in California at

868
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 1: the Lysso Canyon storage facility that holds natural gas and

869
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:18,879
Speaker 1: or methane. Uh. Yeah, there's a big leak happening right there.

870
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: It's pretty insane. Yeah. So, uh, a runaway natural gas

871
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: leak right above l a Um has emitted more than

872
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty million pounds of methane since last October.

873
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:34,959
Speaker 1: And you guys, I wasn't even aware of this story

874
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: until we started doing this. So just case in point

875
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: for real, it's in a place called Porter Ranch north

876
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 1: of Los Angeles. As you said there, Uh, it's a

877
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,919
Speaker 1: it's a fairly affluent community or it's fairly well off.

878
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: Thousands of people in the area had to evacuate. Um,

879
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: we we know about this. It's it's not widespare reporting,

880
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 1: but it's not being exactly kept or raps. The story

881
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: starts around October twenty three. According to Amy Goodman, the

882
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: community was overtaken by noxious gases. Neighbors were reporting, you know,

883
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: the smell. They weren't feeling well, getting dizzy, and thinking

884
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: perhaps one house had a major gas leak. Yeah, I

885
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: think there's one. There's a bit of a time frame

886
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 1: there around when the gas company itself reported, or the ELSA,

887
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: the Elyssa Canyan storage facility actually reported that there is

888
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 1: a leak and active leak going on. And there are

889
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: a couple of stories from families who were experiencing the

890
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 1: things you're talking about, Ben, like the weird smells, Like

891
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 1: what is going on? Why is this happening right now, um,

892
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 1: a little bit a little bit before that, just because

893
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: it was maybe caught a little not late, but a

894
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: little later by the company itself. And the company to

895
00:55:56,520 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 1: which we're referring in this story is Southern California so

896
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 1: called Gas Southern California Gas Company. On the twenty eight

897
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: of October, a few days later, they went public with

898
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 1: a leak, and so Amy Goodman from Democracy Now reports

899
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: that the leak is so severe that it will actually

900
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 1: account for a quarter of the entire state of California's

901
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: methane emissions in just one month. One of the other

902
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: really bad things is that methane is uh not good

903
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:33,240
Speaker 1: for overall global climate change. It's eighty six times worse

904
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 1: than carbon dioxide over a twenty year period um. And

905
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: then this one, you know, this one leak is just

906
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: putting so much of it out into the out in

907
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 1: the atmosphere. I think it's twelve hundred metric tons of

908
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: methane released every day from this one leak. And the

909
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 1: worst part is that there are experts actively working to

910
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 1: try and stop this thing. There are people out there

911
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: right now as we're recording this, trying to drill down

912
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:05,800
Speaker 1: and make it stop. But it's gonna it's gonna take time.

913
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,399
Speaker 1: It's gonna take a long time till about March. Right, yes,

914
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: so on Monday, January eighteen, so cal Gas is required

915
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: to put forward a detailed schedule of how this will

916
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: be handled, the running bets right now, or that this

917
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: will occur in this this leak will be closed plausibly

918
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 1: in March. Everybody's hoping for earlier. I have a question though, guys, um,

919
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: why do you think this story is getting comparatively less

920
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 1: attention than the deep water Horizon. I mean, what you're

921
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: describing to me is essentially a natural gas version of

922
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 1: what happened with the water horizon. It sounds like it's

923
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: a continued leak that is causing problems, health problems, you know,

924
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,439
Speaker 1: with the people that live in that area, and it's

925
00:57:56,480 --> 00:58:00,080
Speaker 1: not stopped, hasn't been plugged yet, it's ongoing. Why do

926
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 1: you think this is something that's not as visible? Maybe

927
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: that's the answer. Yeah, exactly. Okay, So I was gonna

928
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: say what My first argumente it goes back to the

929
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 1: out of sight, out of sight, out of mind kind

930
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 1: of thing. Because methane is an invisible gas, you cannot

931
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 1: see it with your naked eye. The only way you

932
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: can see it is through infrared. Getting a fleer camera

933
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: and a couple a couple of groups did do that,

934
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: Earthworks and nonprofit organization got a flee your camera out

935
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: there so you could really see. This is huge. It

936
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: looks like black smoke just kind of billowing through and

937
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: following the wind. Um. That's pretty scary methane, isn't. I mean,

938
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 1: it's gonna cause some ill effects on your health if

939
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: you're exposed to it for long periods or enough of

940
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 1: it at high enough concentrations. But it's not the It's

941
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: not quite as dangerous, right, And I don't know, maybe

942
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 1: that's why it's also I don't know. There are a

943
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: lot of didn't What do you think, Ben, what would

944
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 1: probably would be remiss if we didn't mention in no

945
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 1: lie zone instituted one of the uh one of the

946
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 1: questions being was this instituted to prevent exposure to methane

947
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 1: from people flying in the air space or is this

948
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: instead to UH protect the image of the company. I

949
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: could I could clearly see it being to protect the airspace,

950
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: especially given that, um, if it's a very busy part

951
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 1: of you know, if it's if it's a part where

952
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: there are a lot of commercial airlines flying, then you

953
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: don't want to complicate that by having them fly through

954
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 1: some sort of methane volcano or you know, God forbid

955
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 1: somehow ignite. You know, it is flammable at certain concentrations.

956
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 1: So what do you think the future of this is.

957
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 1: Do you think there's a cover up of foot I

958
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 1: think the cover up is just completely not completely a

959
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 1: highly deregulated industry, the energy industry, and I think it's

960
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 1: more about politics and anything else, just you profits over

961
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 1: you know, consequences. But at the same time, there's so

962
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 1: many different ways to look at it. I think that

963
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 1: for me is the biggest issue. Like with the deep

964
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: water horizon thing, another similarity are the blast caps that

965
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 1: many countries at the time had in place. When you're

966
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 1: when a leak begins to happen in a deep water

967
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 1: drilling site, there are her in a lot of places

968
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 1: caps that explode and seal the entire thing when something

969
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: starts leaking really badly like that, and it contains it

970
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 1: through deregulation. We didn't have to do that. At least

971
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: people who are operating in the Gulf of Mexico through

972
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:45,919
Speaker 1: the United States didn't have to do that. Okay, so

973
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 1: in that case, then with both of those cases, one

974
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 1: of the arguments, it sounds like one of the arguments

975
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 1: would be that if there's any conspiratorial or cover up stuff,

976
01:00:56,720 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 1: it can be found in the pre disaster face. Yeah,

977
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 1: and unfortunately, unfortunately it's a lot of There are a

978
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 1: lot of things that I probably am not a smart

979
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 1: enough human to go through and find the minutia and

980
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 1: the small legal ease that makes the difference between something

981
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 1: being safe and not safe. Um, and I'm not an

982
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 1: expert in a lot of these fields, but you know,

983
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 1: I think that's where you find it, and it's going

984
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: to require more looking on my part. Well, we are

985
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 1: definitely as far as I know, none of us are

986
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 1: oil exploration engineers right or oil rig workers, but you

987
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 1: listeners may well be. And I know that the oil

988
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 1: industry is suffering some tremendous shifts that are affecting affecting

989
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 1: people across the world in terms of their employment, their

990
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 1: quality of life. If you are affiliated with this industry,

991
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 1: I would love to hear the inside scoop. What do

992
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 1: you think the future of this stuff is? How do

993
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 1: companies handle these masters? And if your game, do you

994
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 1: have knowledge of a cover up? You guys. If we're

995
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 1: wrapped up on the topic today, I did just want

996
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 1: to end the show with one thing, um. As I'm

997
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 1: sure all of you or many of you know, UM,

998
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 1: David Bowie passed away this week on Sunday, and I

999
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 1: just wanted to say, in terms of what we talked

1000
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 1: about on the show, I think, besides the fact that

1001
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 1: you know, for me personally, was a real hero musically,

1002
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 1: and I'm a musician and I've been a fan of

1003
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 1: his work for a long time, but he did something

1004
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 1: very very interesting, um when he passed away. This is

1005
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 1: something that I don't think you could say many people,

1006
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 1: celebrities or otherwise are able to do, and that he

1007
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 1: really controlled the way that people experienced his death. He

1008
01:02:56,320 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 1: released a record on his birthday, which was Friday of

1009
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 1: last week before he passed away, and then he released

1010
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 1: two music videos, both of which are visually's done fanti fantastic,

1011
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 1: but one in particular, for the song Lazarus Um shows

1012
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 1: him in a hospital bed with a blindfold on with

1013
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 1: little button eyes and kind of like writhing around doing

1014
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 1: this sort of st Vitus dance kind of thing, and

1015
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 1: there are several versions of him. One is the one

1016
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 1: in the hospital bed. One is sort of like wearing

1017
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 1: this harlequin kind of like tight fitting, like almost a

1018
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 1: mime costume. And there's another one who's puzzling over papers

1019
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 1: at a desk, like a writing desk, And there are

1020
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 1: lyrics in the song where he's talking about he says, look, man,

1021
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 1: I'm in heaven. You know, I got scars that you

1022
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 1: can't see. And as was you know, made known when

1023
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 1: he did pass away, he had been suffering from cancer

1024
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 1: for eighteen months, meaning that he knew his faith the

1025
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 1: whole time he was making this record, and especially when

1026
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 1: he was making these companion videos, and um, you know,

1027
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 1: it's in a pretty emotion a couple of days for me.

1028
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 1: I don't really get affected by people, you know, celebrities

1029
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 1: quote unquote passing away, but this one hit pretty hard.

1030
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 1: And I just think it was pretty a really incredible

1031
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 1: sign of his artistry and his mind that he was

1032
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 1: totally able to set the tone for the way people

1033
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 1: experienced his passing. And I think that's very unique and

1034
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 1: I just wanted to, you know, express that well, thank you.

1035
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 1: No I know yeah, I know. My wife I was

1036
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 1: pretty upset about it. You know, I guess I'm a

1037
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 1: cold hearted person. I really like him, but I Robin

1038
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 1: Williams affected me in the way that you're experiencing this.

1039
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 1: I also think that we're gonna see conspiracy theories pop

1040
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 1: up around this album and around the way he you know,

1041
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 1: kind of did this, controlled this, kept it quiet. You know,

1042
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:58,520
Speaker 1: nobody knew except for a very few confidence that he

1043
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 1: was was dying, and um, I just think it's interesting

1044
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 1: when people are able to control their legacy in that way,

1045
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 1: because so many musicians, especially they just let it go,

1046
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 1: you know, like that they just keep doing it for money,

1047
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 1: and they just you know, end up doing things that

1048
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 1: are not um in their best interests, doing things that

1049
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 1: are not artistically sound, that are not in line with

1050
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 1: the good work they've done in the past. And he

1051
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 1: never really did that, and uh to the last he

1052
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 1: kind of like really owned his image. And I just

1053
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 1: thought that was pretty fascinating. And I think we'll continue

1054
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 1: to hear about things, you know, revolving around this process. Alright, guys,

1055
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 1: So if you have experienced anything like an oil spill,

1056
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 1: like if you were out there cleaning up after Deep

1057
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 1: Art Horizon, if you know anyone who has, if you

1058
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 1: want to talk to us about that, If you lived

1059
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 1: in so Cal where you're being affected by any of

1060
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 1: this stuff, let us know. I want to I'd like

1061
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 1: to hear your experiences there. Or if you're an Ecuador

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