WEBVTT - Carrie with Eva Vives 0:00:00.880 --> 0:00:03.840 On the Bedel Cast, the questions asked if movies have 0:00:04.000 --> 0:00:07.880 women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:12.280 or do they have individualism the patriarchy zef in best 0:00:12.720 --> 0:00:17.080 start changing it with the Bechdel Cast. Hello and welcome 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:19.639 to the Bechdel Cast. My name is Jamie Loftus and 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:22.520 my name is Caitlin. Darante is our podcast about the 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:28.760 portrayal of women in famous movies. Wow, here we are here, 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:31.440 we are something that doesn't pass the Bechtel test. Before 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:34.080 we entroy it. I used task Rabbit for the first 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:39.159 time today and a hot firefighter came to my friend's 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:43.199 house and brought her mattress to my house. And then 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:46.600 like we added each other on Facebook. Oh I think 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:50.920 I LOVET. So you're Gregnt. No, I'm GREGN. I think Gregnt. 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:54.960 I don't know I Well, anyways, I met a firefighter today. Okay, 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:57.760 what's the Betel So that? Yeah, that for sure didn't 0:00:57.800 --> 0:00:59.880 pass the Bechdel test, which is a test that you 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:05.840 who apply to media for our sake movies. It requires 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:11.360 that the movie has two named female identifying characters who 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:15.000 speak to each other about something other than a man. Okay, 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:19.040 let's try it. Okay, Hey, Caitlin, what Jamie? I guess 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:22.000 what kind of mattress I have? Now? Wow? Um, what 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:28.320 kind of I don't know? Is it? Yes, Queen? Yes, queen? Okay, Well, 0:01:28.360 --> 0:01:30.679 it doesn't have to be a compelling conversation. But that 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:34.440 time that passed. If it was a king's size mattress 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:38.600 or California king, that would have not pondering our mattresses? Right? 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:41.479 Why did they do that? Why are kings extra big? 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:43.400 What did they what did they keeping in there? Well, 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:47.520 the real question is why are queens smaller than kings? Oh? 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:52.200 I mean, I mean less than but also like I 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:55.600 think like better, because if you're getting into the king's 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:57.720 size bed territory, it's like, who do you think you are? 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:00.440 Like what? No one needs this much space? I think 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:03.880 king's eye bed. I don't have one, but it's only 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:05.800 because I don't sleep with anyone else in my bed. 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:09.480 If I was sleeping with someone, I would need a 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:12.680 bed that was at least I would say, twenty ft wide. 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:14.720 I just don't let people stay at my house. Sure. 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:17.040 The thing, I'm just like, okay, well this get out 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:21.560 of here, like you can come for breakfast tomorrow anyways, 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:26.000 I'm very nurturing and nice. Um. Okay, I'm so excited 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:29.280 for the movie we're talking about today, particularly excited for 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:32.880 our guest we have today. Her movie came out last week. 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:35.560 It's going to be playing across the country. It's called 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:38.679 All About Nina and it is a movie. Well, we'll 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:41.000 just let her tell you it's right, or director of 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:45.920 Vivez Leans for being here, Thank you for having me. 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:48.560 I'm so excited and listened for so long. It's nice 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:52.760 to be here. Before we get into the discussion, can 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:55.639 you tell us a little bit about All About Nina 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:59.520 for our our listeners. Sure. Um, it's a movie that 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:03.160 I wrote, and it's my first directorial debut. Well, I 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:05.800 guess the debut is always a first write. It's my 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:11.000 directorial problem of sorts. Yeah, feature debut anyway, and it 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:14.600 stars Mary Elizabeth Winstead soon to be in a huge 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:18.280 DC comic book as well. But she is the titular 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:21.600 character and she is a stand up comedian something you 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:26.160 know something about. And Jamie worked on the movie as well. 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:29.200 It's how we met, which I'm very grateful for. She 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:32.480 was our comedy consultant. So you might recognize some of 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:34.720 her jokes in the film as well. Yeah, there's anytime, 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:39.760 there's always anytime there's a joke about fingering, it's my joke. Actually, 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:42.760 that's my contribution. Not to give anything away, but yeah, 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:45.080 but I also ended up having to cut a bunch 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:47.000 because I was like, this is getting it's getting to 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:50.120 be too many fingering jokes. We could see the punchline. 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:57.000 So everyone should see the movie to begin with. But 0:03:57.040 --> 0:03:59.240 then also, you know, if you if you happen to 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:02.480 giggle at a thing green joke that that's my little contribution. 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:05.640 I'm told it's raw and it's dirty, which I'm like, isn't. 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:08.040 That's just the way my friends and I are. But 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:09.720 it seems just like if you go outside of the 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:12.080 comedy scene, I think other people seem to find it 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:16.240 kind of in your face. Are it's totally rated. Are 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:18.960 and it also has the wonderful comment in it and 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:22.520 it Yeah, it definitely passes the big deltas you thought 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:24.960 about this already, haven't when when you first gave you 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:27.039 this group to year, goos like, oh let's see where 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:30.480 it did where? And it passes a billion times? Yeah, 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:34.159 it's great, So it's back tell cost approved. Um so 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:35.880 so definitely check it out. We'll talk about it again 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:39.560 at the end, but today we have a very different 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:44.000 movie to discuss because it's the Halloween e month. Now. 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:49.080 The movie we're talking about today is Carrie the Brian 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:54.320 to pal McCarry nineteen seventy six. Yes, yeah, I'm so 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:57.839 excited to talk about it. Yeah, it's it's a wild one. 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:00.760 But what's your your history, your relation ship with this movie? 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:03.839 When did you first see it? I watched it again 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:06.320 this morning in preparation of this, but I had seen it. 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:09.279 I don't know, not a ton of times. First of all, 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:11.720 I was born in nineteen six. How this is how 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:14.320 old this movie is, So I definitely didn't see it. 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:17.120 You know, I don't see it as an infant, although 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:20.200 I saw a lot of other inappropriate things. But I'll say, um, 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:24.080 horror is not my forte and movies, although I certainly 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:26.240 love a good horror movie. So I just didn't come 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:28.800 to it until probably I was in my mid twenties 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:31.679 and a friend of mine, Zoe, said, oh, you should 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:35.440 see it. It's all about periods. I was like, oh, 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:37.360 I didn't realize that. All right, I'll go see it. 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:39.480 It's not going to be the sequel to All About Nina. 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:43.719 I mean, yeah, we talked quite a lot about bleeding 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:46.840 in that movie. But yeah, and then I and then 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:48.640 I thought because I had only seen that image of 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:51.360 her covered in blood and with the fire, which again 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:53.560 I thought, this could go either way, like it could 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:55.920 just be one of those silly movies where like women 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:58.039 get bloodied up or and then she was like, no, no, 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:01.159 it's about periods. So I thought, oh, okay, that's different. 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:04.160 So then I watched it, and it's interesting because, I mean, 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:07.520 Jamie knows this. I was abused as a kid, and 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:10.039 so I maybe because I was in the midst of 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:12.920 sort of going to therapy and talking about my recovery. 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:14.600 I remember the first time I saw it in my 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:17.440 mid twenties, it really hit me that way. I felt 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:19.440 it was very much about a kid who I mean, 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:22.480 clearly she is being abused at home, and you know 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:25.040 how far that abuse goes in terms of her own mother. 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:27.200 All of that are the things that when I watched 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:31.200 it today, probably like fifteen years later, so I had 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:33.680 a lot more questions about. I think at the time 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:36.520 it hit me more viscerally because I thought, and you 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:38.919 guys are probably you know you you've You're younger than me, 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:40.800 so you've grown up at a time where again, even 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:43.560 though the movie still leave a lot to be desired 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:46.479 in terms of for roles for women and anybody who's 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:50.440 not white, basically because, by the way, not one non 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:52.919 white person in this movie. Actually I think that I 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:56.160 saw one black guy in the in the prom Senior, 0:06:56.520 --> 0:07:00.560 but no one certainly with speaking roles. No anyway, I digress. 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:04.240 But but anyway, so yeah, this time around, um, I 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:06.000 was a little bit more disappointed in it in the 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:08.880 sense that I wish I mean, I'm sure we'll get 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:12.280 into it, but um, the fear of women was very 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:15.800 palpable in it, and internally the ending of I guess 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:18.400 to me that the allegory felt like if you're abused, 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:22.320 you're burning hell, and right there was of gosh, there 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:24.320 was a few moments where I thought the movie was 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:27.280 ending and it actually wasn't. Like the last few minutes. 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:28.960 I mean, we'll get into it, but like the last 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:31.000 few minutes of this movie were such a roller coaster 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:34.080 of like, how does this movie feel about Carrie? Where 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:36.960 like what is the movie? Because I thought it was 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:38.680 like reaching a place where I was like, oh, this 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:41.120 seems empathetic, and then at the end it's like, no, 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:45.880 just kidding, She's in hell. You're like, okay, great, Um, yeah, Caitlin, 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:49.080 what's your history of this movie? I lived my whole 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:53.080 adolescent in adult life until two years ago thinking that 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:56.080 I had seen this movie is like a teenager. And 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:59.680 I think it was just because I knew the very 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:02.560 on moments of the movie, which is the shower scene 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:04.320 where she finds out she gets her period and has 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:07.480 a bunch of tampons and pads thrown at her, and 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:10.480 the prom scene, which I think I might have actually 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:13.240 seen that whole sequence play out, and I just think 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:17.160 that I had seen the whole movie. But I watched 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:20.840 it two years ago and realized, oh, I've actually never 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:24.720 seen this whole movie. So that was a fun revelation 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:28.880 for me. But I do distinctly remember seeing the Rage 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:34.840 Carrie too. Who wait, when did that come up? No? No, no, 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:39.080 the Kimberly Pierce one. I'm not entirely sure it was. 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:43.240 I think in early two thousand's uh sequel, let me 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:46.560 let me get direct to video deal because I know, 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:52.200 because I know Kimpiers remated with Julianne Moore, But I 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:54.680 haven't seen that yet, so that's actually watching it today. 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:57.280 I was, I was really curious about how her treatment 0:08:57.280 --> 0:08:59.440 of it would change it. You know, Yeah, I haven't 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:02.439 seen the make Yeah that was Julyanne Moore as the mother, 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:07.640 and that Chloe Chloe Grace Merits as Carrie saying that 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:10.079 blonde girl Chloe really doesn't narrow it down, do you 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:13.160 think about it? Also, let that reduced women to their 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:19.640 hair colors, Jamie, but also but also but I know 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:21.719 I haven't seen that one. But I think the other 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:26.600 thing is that I read Stephen King's autobiographical like how 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:31.840 to Write Books called On. He talks at length about 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:35.120 Carry in that book, which I have not read the 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:38.360 book Carry, but I did read On Writing, and I 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:42.040 just thought that just through osmosis, I must have. I 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:43.600 was like, yeah, I've seen this movie, but it was 0:09:43.679 --> 0:09:47.440 just that I had been exposed to enough Carry related 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:52.080 imagery and stories that I thought I saw it. I 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:54.199 think that that I had sort of a similar experience 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:57.320 where I wasn't if I'd actually seen this movie or not. 0:09:57.600 --> 0:09:59.720 I think that mostly just speaks to like what a 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:03.160 impact this had on like the culture, to the point 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:05.720 where by the time I was like twenty minutes and 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:07.360 I was like, oh, I definitely haven't seen this all 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:09.040 the way through. But same like you were saying, I'm 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:12.280 pretty sure that I saw clips of it in like college, 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:16.480 in like class. It's sort of like that weird saying 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:19.000 where I think I know more about this movie through 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:21.960 references made to it through other things than like, but 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:24.640 I've never actually seen the thing. My experience is this 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:28.800 movie is I saw it this morning as usual. But 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:32.160 I have had I don't know, I've had a weird 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:36.240 lifelong thing with Stephen King because he lives in the 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:40.040 same time my grandma lived in it, and so I 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:42.760 would like I have like pictures of him when I 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:45.559 was a little kid, and I don't know, like he 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:49.200 just was like a hero growing up. Even though I 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:51.400 haven't read a ton of his books, he was just 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:54.200 like the only writer I'd ever met for a very 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:56.560 long time. I was like, Oh, he's the coolest, and 0:10:56.640 --> 0:10:58.959 like the fact that I knew he wrote about girls, 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:01.920 even though I wasn't allowed to read the books, Um, 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:05.000 I thought was really cool. Stephen King has written so 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:08.000 many books that it's kind of hard to have a 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:11.559 concise discussion on like how he writes female characters. I 0:11:11.640 --> 0:11:13.720 haven't also haven't read enough of his stuff to have 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:18.440 that conversation. Yeah, let's do the recap. Just read the 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:21.320 story and then we'll actually we'll get into more in depth. 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:28.120 So many discussions. Okay, So the story of Carrie is 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:34.080 we meet Carrie, who is a teenage girl, Sissy SpaceX 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:38.120 right love her, What a what a performance. So the 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:41.360 movie opens they're playing some volleyball and gym class and 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:44.000 then all the girls are showering in a sequence that 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:46.880 you know will unpack, and then she gets her period 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:50.000 for the first time, and she does not know what's happening. 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:53.240 She dying, Yeah, yeah, she just sees blood and she 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:56.760 thinks that she's dying. So she starts freaking out and 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:59.240 screaming and begging for help, and then all the other 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:02.160 girls and her gym class start bullying her, and they're 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:05.960 throwing feminine hygiene products at her, which is like what 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:09.720 a waste, right, We're taxed on those, like, come on, 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:17.320 just throw And the main perpetrator of this bullying incident 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:22.320 is this girl, Chris Farra faucet hair. And then the 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:24.760 gym teacher comes in and tries to console Carrie and 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:27.320 all this is happening, a light bulb bursts and we're like, 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:31.360 what's that all about? Then she goes home and we 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:35.880 realized that she has a religious zealot for a mother, 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:39.480 and I was reading. I think the book she's reading 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:41.680 when Carrie walks in is like The Sins of Women, 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:47.000 Just like, okay, right, So her mom finds out that 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:50.080 Carry has gotten her period and she punishes her for 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:53.600 it by locking her in a closet so Harry Potter 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:59.640 reference and assuming it came out. So Carrie is the 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:04.360 victum of you know, physical, verbal, emotional abuse from her 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:08.440 mother and from really everyone around her. Yeah, slapping that 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:13.600 happens in this movie is quite slop. Sorry, I keeps fine. 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:17.719 So then she goes Carrie goes upstairs after being let 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:21.720 out of the closet and her mirror shatters suddenly, and 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:26.520 we're like, huh, what's that all about? Isn't that the cue? Though? Yeah, 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:31.920 the cues are so goofy. So then the girls in 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:35.000 the gym class who were blaming her are being punished 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:38.760 by Ms. Collins, the gym teacher, and she's like, do 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:40.720 this detention with me or you don't get to go 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:45.079 to prom and the anyone cares about, right, So Chris 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:48.199 is like, I'm not doing this stupid attention, So she 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:53.600 gets banned from prom. Meanwhile, Carrie starts to investigate. She's like, 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:57.440 glass keeps shattering around me, Wonder what that's all about? 0:13:57.800 --> 0:14:00.960 Really like this because we just for corded our bonus 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:06.000 episode on Teeth yesterday. There are so many parallels. Yeah. 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:10.800 So so Carrie active character takes it upon herself to 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:13.280 figure out what the fox is going on. Yes, reads 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:16.440 some books, so she finds a book that tells her 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:20.400 about telekinesis, So she's like, that sounds like what I have. 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:24.600 Then one of the girls who was friends with the 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:29.240 mean bully Chris, but who seems to be nicer, Sue Snell. 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:33.200 She asks her boyfriend Tommy if he will take Carrie 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:36.440 to the prom because she genuinely seems to want to 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:41.320 help carry even though she's complicit in some mistreatment of Carrie. 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:44.680 That was an interesting, I feel like Sue of everyone 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:48.920 for most high school girls, was probably the most relatable 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:52.760 character of Like, you're seeing someone get bullied, but you 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:54.640 don't want to be on cool, but you also don't 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:56.840 want to let this happen and like, what can you do? 0:14:57.160 --> 0:15:00.520 End it? And so she like tries but Fox, yeah, 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:05.560 soue is interested in another male fantasy. Ye, please fuck 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:13.840 my girlfriend exactly. So Tommy asks Carrie to prom in 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:17.040 a series of scenes that we will also unpack, but 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:20.040 eventually Carrie agrees to go to prom with him. Her 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:22.560 mom isn't happy about it, but Carrie stands up for herself. 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:25.120 She's like, I'm going, Like she made her own dress. 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:28.760 She's excited about it, kind of through intimidation too, because 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:31.680 her mom knows that, like it's recognizing that Carrie has 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:34.600 these powers, and Carrie's like, yeah, I do, so I'm 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:38.280 going to prom. Yeah, And we find out some background 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:41.560 that the father left, right because she says, your father 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:44.520 left for another woman, is what. Yeah, she said your 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:46.600 father was evil, to which I didn't know if she 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:49.200 was interpreted that the father also had the powers or not, 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:52.960 and she just said, no, he just left for another woman. 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:56.960 The implication by the end, I don't know, we'll get there, 0:15:56.960 --> 0:16:04.360 but I questions. Yeah, basically, Carrie's mom is unhappy with 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:08.520 the situation, but you know, Carrie's slaming windows and stuff 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:11.040 like that with her telekinesis, and she's like, I'm going 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:14.680 to prom and great, great moment for a young teenage 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:16.960 girl coming to her own power, whether it's against your 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:19.640 own parents. I mean, there are some really great moments 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:23.880 of that for sure. Yeah. But meanwhile, Chris is plotting 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:27.080 something that involved with John travel though which I didn't 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:29.600 realize that he was in this movie. It's like, oh, 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:32.600 he's plotting against so there there, there's they're scheming. There, 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:35.120 there's a pig involved. They killed a pig, lunge of 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:40.640 painting each other. There's there's there's a toxic relationship happening there. 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:45.240 Everyone gets to prom. Carrie is really excited. She is, 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:49.320 you know, dancing with Tommy. He seems to be treating 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:51.480 her nicely, except for the parts where he tries to 0:16:51.520 --> 0:16:54.480 surprise kiss or, which we'll get to. Uh yeah, but 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:57.640 at least he seems to he's come or like it's 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:00.640 it's no longer like he's doing it aver like he's 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:04.400 enjoying his time. Seems like, yeah, the two of them, 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:08.760 Tommy and carry when prom king and queen. Because Chris 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:12.840 had this system rigged, much like the Russian hacker. Yeah, 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:16.960 much like most of our recent elections Russian What is 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:21.960 this Gore Bush two thousand basically anyway, maybe that's where 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:25.719 they got the idea. Yeah, we were like sure, well, 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:28.080 I mean they did it a Carry's prom How hard 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:32.560 going to be screened it at the White House? Check 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:34.560 out the way they throw those ballots under the table. 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:38.119 What if we put a thing of pigs blood onto 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:43.040 al Gore? We can blame this on Stephen King. I 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:45.879 hope it started out exactly like Carry, and then if 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:48.320 they had to like back peddle it be like, well, 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:51.160 we can't just like Carry al Gore. It is an 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:56.240 all white people party. Start of similarities. It is true. Yeah, man, 0:17:56.760 --> 0:17:58.840 I mean I think that that's now American history what 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:01.639 we just said. Yeah, I can't believe they were going 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:04.560 to do that. Allegory seems like a nice guy. So 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:07.119 they went from King and Queen and they go up 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:10.560 to the stage and that's when the final moments of 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:15.119 this plan are unleashed, and this big bucket of pigs 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:19.080 blood gets dumped onto Carry and this invokes her to 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:24.439 retaliate using her telekinesis. Where there's a hose that's spraying people, 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:28.280 she locks all the doors. No survivors. It seems like 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:33.120 it seems like she kills everyone then, but she's outside 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:35.560 of the doors because I think everyone in the room 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:43.480 dies but souele. And then she and then Chris and 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:46.360 John travel to get away, but then carries like nope, 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:50.359 and she explodes their car right there. There's a there's 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:52.359 a fire in the gym. There's all kind of and 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:56.439 then so Carrie walks out. She's covered in blood still 0:18:56.880 --> 0:19:00.600 and then yeah, Chris and what's his name, Billy? I think, yeah, 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:03.800 they blow up? They blow up in their car. Did 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:07.400 try to run her over first? And she's like no, they? 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:11.760 I mean they you know who misses them? Right there? Goodbye? 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:15.359 Then she goes home and cleans herself off, and then 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:20.880 her mother is like, oh m, Carrie stab and then 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:25.879 she stabs her because she's trying. Anne, I should have 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:29.800 killed myself. When he put it in me, pretty tremendous. 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:33.240 They I love how and it seems like so consistent 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:36.199 with this character and just so creepy. How no one 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:38.480 in that house ever says the words sex. It's like 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:41.359 it and we didn't do it, and he put it 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:44.520 When he put it in me is pretty intense, ye, like, 0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:48.040 it's pretty graphic. Without naming like it. But yeah, and 0:19:48.040 --> 0:19:50.400 then well then and also it's unclear at that moment 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:53.439 if she was raped or not because the mother, because 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:56.320 she says I made him promise he wouldn't do it again. 0:19:56.840 --> 0:19:58.720 But then she's talking about living in since so I 0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:00.879 couldn't figure out if the problem was that they weren't 0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:04.320 married or that he had forced himself on her. Yeah. 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:08.480 I think it's open to interpretations in the book, but 0:20:08.560 --> 0:20:10.840 I don't know. Yeah, the movie doesn't really seem to 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:14.560 fallow any which. Yeah, so then the house caves in, 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:19.240 Carrie gets stabbed once, uh, and then she starts teleconnising, 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:25.600 knives into her crucifies her own christ style, and then 0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:27.959 the house caves in on itself and seems to be 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:31.440 sad about it and brings her down from and then 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:37.280 and then the house to hell. They get in the closet. Yeah, 0:20:37.600 --> 0:20:41.600 it's so horrible, and then the final shot is the 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:46.159 flattened house basically, and then Sue Snell walks up and 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:48.960 she's like, oh no, what a horrible thing that happened 0:20:49.000 --> 0:20:52.600 to bring us flowers. A bloody hand comes up from 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:56.200 beneath the ground and grabs her and she's like, ah, 0:20:56.240 --> 0:20:58.840 but it was a dream. Right, Oh yeah, it wasn't 0:20:58.840 --> 0:21:00.600 because then they go back to it and she's still 0:21:00.640 --> 0:21:05.159 being dragged down. Oh I don't know. Let's watch Rage 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:08.640 Carrie too again to find out that doesn't sell out 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:12.359 the characters in any way. So that's the story. Let's 0:21:12.359 --> 0:21:15.000 take a quick break and then we'll come back. All right, 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:24.720 and we're back. So I sort of wanted to start 0:21:24.880 --> 0:21:29.040 with how the teenage girls treat each other in this 0:21:29.119 --> 0:21:32.800 world and and sort of just unpack that there's so 0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:35.840 many degrees of separation, like this is a woman's story 0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:40.160 told by no women at all. And I think we've 0:21:40.160 --> 0:21:42.639 had this sort of discussion before where it's like so 0:21:42.680 --> 0:21:46.680 many steps removed from an actual woman, where Stephen King 0:21:46.680 --> 0:21:50.000 wrote it, and then I forget what the name of 0:21:50.000 --> 0:21:56.200 the screenwriter, Lawrence Lawrence Leonard Cohen, Leonard Cohen, rest in Power, 0:21:56.560 --> 0:22:01.560 not amazing if he had written, yeah, Lawrence Decohen. And 0:22:01.560 --> 0:22:03.960 then and then right he adapted it, and then Brian 0:22:04.000 --> 0:22:06.560 de Palma produced and directed it. And that's like, that's 0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:10.919 so many like where is any woman? But it's a 0:22:10.960 --> 0:22:13.520 woman's story. And I think that that is kind of 0:22:13.760 --> 0:22:17.400 why this movie for me and a lot of movies 0:22:17.480 --> 0:22:21.400 of this era and even later like the way. I'm 0:22:21.720 --> 0:22:24.480 happy that there's a lot of women interacting in a movie, 0:22:24.520 --> 0:22:27.879 but the way they interact is kind of uncanny Valley 0:22:28.040 --> 0:22:30.959 and doesn't necessarily make sense to me. And that used 0:22:31.000 --> 0:22:33.239 to bother me when I'd watch movies like this, but 0:22:33.280 --> 0:22:36.120 then it's like, yeah, it's because it's just what we're 0:22:36.119 --> 0:22:41.720 seeing is how three different men interpret teenage girls bullying 0:22:41.760 --> 0:22:44.360 each other. And not only that, I mean I had 0:22:44.359 --> 0:22:46.959 the same thought, and like you, I actually blown up 0:22:46.960 --> 0:22:49.800 to this shamefully that I have never read any Stephen 0:22:49.880 --> 0:22:53.000 King books, which well, I don't know. I am curious 0:22:53.000 --> 0:22:55.080 because I do think he's a really interesting character. I 0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:57.240 have read some of his on writing. I think his 0:22:57.359 --> 0:23:00.960 politics seem cool, like clearly is interested in women. I 0:23:01.000 --> 0:23:03.600 do believe he's been fairly open about his own abuse 0:23:03.640 --> 0:23:06.640