1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: Body balance, but the Joseph's gotten more. I think probably 2 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 1: being a college professor, one of the most difficult things 3 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: for a incoming student to determine what kind of goes 4 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: without saying, is what am I going to major in. 5 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: It's kind of interesting in since that many kids that 6 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: arrive are eighteen years old, there are very very few 7 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,559 Speaker 1: of them, in my experience over twenty years now in 8 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: academia that know what they want to do when they 9 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: show up. Those that do know are the exception and 10 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: not the norm. They come to a university because because 11 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: there's something that is attractive to them, perhaps about the 12 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: campus or the people they initially meet and engage with. 13 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: There might be some things that they're interested in. Then 14 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: others show up because mom and dad said they had 15 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: to and that they're going to this university. Well, for 16 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: those that make it through the academic course, which are 17 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: fewer than I think many people believe, the next big 18 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: decision is what do I want to do with my life? 19 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: You know, you've been prepared for four years. Now you're 20 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: pushed out onto the stage. Do I try to go 21 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 1: to graduate school or do I dip my toes into 22 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:40,919 Speaker 1: the water of the real world? Not a protected, ivy 23 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: covered environment. Today, on body Bags, we're going to talk 24 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: about a young woman, a young woman who had made 25 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: it through the rigor of an academic experience at Penn 26 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: State University and was now starting her journey. She had 27 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: been a beauty queen, she had been a cheerleader. She 28 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: had been present on Saturday nights in Happy Valley for whiteouts, 29 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: one of the loudest places in the country. But nothing, 30 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,679 Speaker 1: and I mean nothing could have prepared her for what 31 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: weighted just around the corner. And it was pure, unadulterated evil. 32 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is bodybags. I can't 33 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: help myself, Dave. Every time one of these kind of 34 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: cases pops up involving a college kid, I always think 35 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: of my own kids, and I mean my biological kids 36 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: who have all attended college, and of course the kids 37 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: that are not my biological children, but the kids that 38 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: are or under my tutelage, if you will, that you 39 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: know or out there. I still think about my kids 40 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 1: that I educated. They're no longer kids that I started 41 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: educating twenty one years ago. I see them now with 42 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: families and they're all to the winds, all over the world, 43 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: and they still send me messages, you know, calling me 44 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: Professor Morgan. You know, in these messages, just checking in 45 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 1: whether you I saw you on television or I wanted 46 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,399 Speaker 1: to tell you about my job. I want some advice, 47 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: and I'm willing to give those bits of advice. 48 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 2: But Kaita Scott twenty three years old. You mentioned this 49 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 2: is a woman who got through college. She's a beauty queen. 50 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 2: And you know what, she's not waiting on somebody to 51 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 2: roll out the yellow car or red carpet, you know, 52 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 2: and hop down the yellow brick road. She's getting after it. 53 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 2: She takes a job working in a sister living home. 54 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 2: She's working ten PM, two six am. 55 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: But you know, it takes a certain kind of person 56 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: to work in that environment and to get introduced to it. 57 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: You know, when you're twenty three and there's a lot 58 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: of people out there that will identify with this. I 59 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: know you do. Dave the idea of stepping out on 60 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 1: your own and the upside with working at night. And 61 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,039 Speaker 1: this is what I loved is that the suits weren't around. 62 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: I love that they were asleep at home in bed. 63 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 1: You didn't have to deal with administrators in my case, 64 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 1: you didn't have to deal with political shenanigans that went 65 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 1: on in the office, both of the body politic within 66 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: the structure of the office, nor any of the politicians 67 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: that might come down, you know, from the county level 68 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: to visit. I don't want to see those people. And 69 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: you know, so you could really really do good work 70 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: at night. However, the price that you pay is that 71 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: your world is completely different than everybody else's world. If 72 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 1: you've got kids, you're not going to see them do 73 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: You're going to show up and you're not going to 74 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 1: remember what you saw because you do have to plan. 75 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 1: And it's a tough existence. 76 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 2: Working at an assisted living facility from ten pm to 77 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 2: six am. I think, ok to being in that environment. 78 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 2: Joe at twenty three and a beautiful young woman and 79 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 2: you know, former cheerleader and all that, and she's doing 80 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 2: this to get a start on her career, and yeah, 81 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 2: that's what I'm guessing. 82 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and as as well as I and you 83 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: think about it, and you think about the relationships that 84 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 1: you develop with the infirm or those that are in 85 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 1: need of your care, you know that are in this environment, 86 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 1: it tells you a lot about the person that would 87 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: be willing, particularly a young person. You know, those those 88 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: are unique young people, I think. I mean, you can 89 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: be jaded about it and say, well, they're in it 90 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 1: for a check. But the thing about it is when 91 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: you come face to face with someone who needs your 92 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: assistance just to go the bathroom, or maybe they need 93 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 1: your help with medications because they have to be given 94 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: medications at certain prescribed times. And also there's that, I 95 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: don't know, that deeper human connection where like you had mentioned, 96 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 1: they're all alone, that life that they had previously had 97 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: is kind of vaporized. They live at a distance from family, 98 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: and suddenly the person that is either working as a nurse, 99 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:31,799 Speaker 1: an LPN are in or a CNA that's in there, 100 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: they become familiar with them. And it might not be 101 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 1: the worker that views them that way, but that person 102 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 1: that's in this environment, they see this individual is their 103 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 1: only connection and it's within that connection, Dave. That and 104 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 1: in this environment you had mentioned her talking to people 105 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: or talking to someone, and David, the really chilly thing 106 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: about it is she shows up for work and it's 107 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: within a very very short period of time after she 108 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: has arrived at this facility, brother Dave, she just Ooo, 109 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: she is gone. Man, she's in the wind. No one 110 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: sees or leave. And I think they're really terrifying part 111 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: to this. When you're trying to work a case like 112 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: a missing young woman, you're missing a big part, a 113 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: big piece, because they didn't have functioning CCTV at this place. 114 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: There was nothing. There was no videography you know, that 115 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: can kind of track this down anyone that's looking to 116 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: perpetrate a crime nowadays, as you and I well know, 117 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: because we cover this over and over and over again, 118 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: it's amazing that the potential perpetrators will stick their chin 119 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: this far out because you're always at risk of being videotaped. 120 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: At some point, I say videotaped listen to me, that's 121 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: aging me, but are dating me. You think about that, 122 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: and there is always a potential. So you begin to 123 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: suddenly develop this idea that whoever was involved perhaps was 124 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: a very very embolden individual that was set on doing 125 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: great harm. 126 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 2: Dave Well, Kaita was saying to family and friends that 127 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 2: she had been getting what she deemed harassing phone calls 128 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 2: and they were kind of like drop phone out of 129 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 2: state phones. That there are programs that people use now 130 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 2: to disguise the number they're calling from, or not even 131 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 2: using the cell phone, using a Wi Fi connection to 132 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 2: disguise your phone and whatnot. And she was getting calls 133 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 2: where she couldn't determine who it was that was calling her, 134 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 2: and she deemed them as harassing. However, there was also 135 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 2: mixed in there other calls, you know, in text messages 136 00:08:55,000 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 2: that she was communicating with. And in one, as you mentioned, 137 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 2: she gets to work at ten o'clock at night, and 138 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 2: we're talking ten fifteen, she's out in the parking lot 139 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 2: and she is meeting somebody out there. Somebody did not 140 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 2: come into the assisted living home and grab her, chloroform 141 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 2: her and take her off, right. She willingly left to 142 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 2: meet someone in the parking lot. And you mentioned no 143 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 2: surveillance cameras, and that really is scary in this day 144 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 2: and age, as cheap as they are, please, for the love, 145 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 2: if you have a business that has people on the inside, 146 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 2: you're supposed to protect, have cameras. You know, they're fifty 147 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 2: bucks and you can do your whole building. But they 148 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 2: didn't have any of that. So all we know is 149 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 2: that she left and met somebody outside. We do know 150 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 2: that she was communicating with some body and let me 151 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 2: know when you're here, let me know when you're on 152 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 2: the way. And she went out and left. Now we 153 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 2: don't know if she got in the parking lot and 154 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 2: this person snatched her. We don't know that. I have 155 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 2: a feeling that might have happened. But she was talking 156 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 2: with someone she thought she knew. She willingly walked out 157 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 2: of the building. We do not know what happened after 158 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 2: that as to how she was taken or left that facility. 159 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 2: But her car was in the parking lot. And because 160 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 2: the employees are kind of working their own, you have 161 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 2: a hall or an area that you're working, you don't 162 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 2: necessarily see people all the time. You know you're working, 163 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 2: and you can pass by and not know where they are. 164 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: No, can I add one more thing to this about 165 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: the nature of an assisted living center or a nursing home. 166 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: You know, Dave, when she got there, that approximates what's 167 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: referred to as And I know you've heard this because 168 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 1: Lord knows, and God bless you. I know you've had 169 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: to spend more time in hospitals and you wish, but 170 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: have you ever been in a facility where you hear 171 00:10:55,800 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: the horrible words? It's shift change and at shift change, 172 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: and all of our nursing friends that are that are 173 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: in the audience right now, all of our friends out there, 174 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: God bless you by the way that if you're a 175 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: nurse or a CNA or an LPN, that moment and 176 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: in that period is so frenetic because you're literally handing 177 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: off patients. Now I don't know the necessarily the nature, 178 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: but you have to take report and if there's a 179 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: problem with somebody, and generally there's more than one problem. 180 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: Somebody didn't get this, or somebody didn't get that, or 181 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: somebody's looking for them, or they have asked for something 182 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: special that needs to be attended to. You have to 183 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: attend to it at that moment. And if you have 184 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: contact with a resident, you have to chart it as well. 185 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: So this time period is crucial. I think that this 186 00:11:56,400 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 1: is really key in this particular investigation because the individuals 187 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: that are working there with Kada, their eyes are not 188 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: on the ball at that point in time. Their eyes 189 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: are well, they're focused on their job. Right, They're focused 190 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: on their job what they have to do. No one 191 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: would be watching Kada. And I can tell you this. 192 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: That night when she went to work, she thought that 193 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: she would leave the next morning after her shift was over, 194 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: as the sun is creeping up into the sky, and 195 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: maybe going to go home and get some well deserved rest. 196 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 1: But Kada would never sleep in her bed again. Most 197 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: of us cannot even begin to fathom what is like 198 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: or what it would be like. I know, I can't 199 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: to have a child that goes missing. And I don't 200 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: care how old the child is, it's still your baby. 201 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: And if I'm not mistaken, Dave, Kada was still living 202 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: with her mother, correct and pay close. 203 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,319 Speaker 2: With both her parents Andrew Younger's sister. 204 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:34,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so she's got this family connection. And if 205 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: she's not rolling back in the door at a prescribe, Tom, 206 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 1: I don't know about you. Let me put it to 207 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: you this way. For all of those years, which was 208 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 1: probably I wouldn't say, I'd say probably close to a 209 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: third of my time working in the field as an investigator, 210 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: I was on overnights. I didn't hang around the office. 211 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: I didn't go out to get breakfast in the morning. 212 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: You know what I did. I went heated up my vehicle, 213 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: got it between the ditches, and I headed home and 214 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: I tried to crawl in sack as soon as I could. 215 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: I'm not lingering anywhere. So when you begin, particularly if 216 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: you're if you're domiciled with somebody, you know their habits. 217 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: You know that, Okay, we know how long it takes 218 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: for her to leave work get home. And maybe when 219 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: she walks in in the morning, family's having coffee, Mama 220 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: might be making breakfast, I don't know, and she's going 221 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: to get some child and then turn in. But just 222 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: sitting there, you know, and you're thinking, wait, she's supposed 223 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: to be here, now, where in the heck is she? 224 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: Why isn't she? You know? And that's when the phone 225 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: calls perhaps start. That's when you know, you start to 226 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: get into panic mode. Because she's good about talking to you, 227 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: she's good about staying in contact. She's good about coming 228 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: home because she her parents wouldn't allow her to be there 229 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: if she's disrespecting the home, can't imagine. And who wants 230 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: to run the streets at seven in the morning, right, 231 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: And you're just dog tired. For no one that has 232 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: ever worked overnight. It's one of these things that it's 233 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: soul sucking. It just sucks the life out of you. 234 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: So you want to try to get some some quality 235 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: rest as best you can. But yeah, I would think 236 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: that from jump straight her family would have been really concerned. 237 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: You don't hear about the families out there, Dave, that 238 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: really put their shoulder to the stone in spite are 239 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: despite rather being just overwhelmed with grief and worry and anxiety, 240 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: they just keep pressing forward. So when you get a 241 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: family that buys in, and not just buys in, but 242 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: they are leading the charge, it's it's I hate to say, 243 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: refreshing because you know where jaded, you and I particularly me, 244 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: you see this and you think, well, they're really wanting 245 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: to do the right thing here. We just hope that 246 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: everybody else that is going to be involved in an 247 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: investigation is willing to get on at the same level. 248 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: You know, And there have been cases out there where 249 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: families are quickly frustrated. But brother Dave, she she wouldn't 250 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: turn up nowhere. 251 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 2: And they started to think that. You know, they didn't 252 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 2: have surveillance video you pointed that out, no cameras, But 253 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 2: what they did have is something better. Almost in this 254 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 2: day and age, with most everybody having a cell phone, 255 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 2: they have a means of tracking us. Even when we 256 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 2: don't think they can. I want to back out right now. 257 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 2: At ten fifteen, a coworker said they saw her. They 258 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 2: saw Kada going towards the parking lot. Cell Phone records 259 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 2: showed that Kato Scott received twelve phone calls from the 260 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 2: same phone number between nine to twenty five and ten 261 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 2: twelve pm, and a forty three second phone call that 262 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 2: night that she went missing at ten. On nine pm, 263 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 2: she made plans to meet up with somebody in a 264 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 2: final text message between the two with the letters CM 265 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 2: meaning call me when you're here ten fifteen, investigators say boom, 266 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,120 Speaker 2: the two of them are together near Kata Scott's place 267 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 2: of employment. Based on cell phone data, ten twenty eight pm, 268 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 2: a dark colored vehicle is seen pulling into the Aubury 269 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 2: Recreation Center parking lot, across the street from the abandoned 270 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 2: Ada Lewis Middle School. I do want to add one thing, Joe, 271 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 2: that was at ten twenty eight. Four minutes earlier at 272 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 2: ten twenty four pm, police say Kata's cell phone stopped 273 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 2: all network contact. At ten twenty four pm. Twenty three 274 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:56,479 Speaker 2: year old college graduate working on her phone twenty four 275 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 2: to seven and it stopped all network contact ten twenty 276 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 2: four PM. We're talking. Twelve minutes after she's seen in 277 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,400 Speaker 2: the parking lot, it's done. She doesn't and it does 278 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 2: not reconnect. It's done. So twelve minutes after she is 279 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 2: seen in the parking lot, that phone is done. 280 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: Well, I got what does that tell you? Yeah, well 281 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: I got to tell you. You know, one of the things 282 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: that we've learned, what case was it that was this 283 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 1: was such a well, it may have been the recent 284 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,360 Speaker 1: unpleasantness out in Idaho, but I think there was other 285 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: cases too where individuals deactivate their phone or turn it off. 286 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: But you know, we've heard over and over again how 287 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 1: they can still track the phone. You know, we've heard 288 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 1: this before, Dave. This this almost sounds and we don't 289 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: have proof of this, at least I don't, and please 290 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: feel free to, you know, to correct me. Dave. Do 291 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 1: you think this phone was destroyed? Do you think that 292 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: it could be snapped in two, it could be crushed, 293 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: it could be you know, to the point where it's 294 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 1: it's unserviceable at this point in time because suddenly goes dead. Now, 295 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: maybe there's more to this than the police are actually 296 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 1: letting on. 297 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 2: I was going to say that, Joe, because I don't 298 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 2: know if it was broken, but they said it stopped 299 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 2: making contact, and so you're right, they might have info 300 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 2: they're just not letting out because they're going to need it. 301 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, Listen, look in defense of the investigators, 302 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: I don't want it. I don't because if this is 303 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 1: going to be part of the investigation, I wish everybody 304 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 1: would heed my words here relative to this, because I 305 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:38,360 Speaker 1: know people scream for information all the time. I understand 306 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 1: that you get caught up in cases, but sometimes sometimes 307 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 1: the police are not going to give us every last 308 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 1: jot and tittle, if you will, relative to everything that 309 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 1: we want to hear. They're going to release what they 310 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: need or what they can get by with. Because if 311 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: you're talking about a case, any cases out there that 312 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: might wind up, you know, being an actual homicide trial, 313 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: you do, you're not going to show your hand. I 314 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: don't think any any prosecutor or police department worth their 315 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 1: salt is going to show their hand. And your need 316 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 1: to feed yourself on more information does not supersede the 317 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: needs of the state. You know, when you're working a 318 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,360 Speaker 1: case and certainly eventually maybe prosecuting a case. 319 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 2: Dave, well, you know, Joe, as this story was being 320 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:34,719 Speaker 2: played in the media. Again, I'm glad you pointed out 321 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 2: how some people, how some people really do get into it. 322 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,919 Speaker 2: They know that they have to keep the story alive 323 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 2: in the media because there's another one coming up. And 324 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 2: in this particular case, they did a good job of 325 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,439 Speaker 2: keeping it in the forefront. But the police did a 326 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 2: great job at They started working this hard, using every 327 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,360 Speaker 2: electronic thing possible, and they had at least a physical 328 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 2: place to start at the ass living center. They had 329 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 2: self phone communication and so they knew there were numbers 330 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 2: tied together. There were even though they might have been 331 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 2: using apps they thought were covered, you know, where you 332 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 2: couldn't tell who they were and where they were. Well, 333 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 2: believe me, they know. They don't be an idiot, man, 334 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 2: They know. Oh yeah, just like if you think for 335 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 2: a minute that you're not being listened to every time 336 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 2: your phone is on, Yeah it's got a microphone in it. Yeah, 337 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 2: you're being recorded, friends, I promise you that. 338 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: And you know, the benefit that they have here is 339 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: the old you know, the old fallback position relative to 340 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 1: digital data. You've got triangulation that's going on too, just 341 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,439 Speaker 1: just the GIS data that they can kind of plug 342 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 1: in here and track the movement. You know, you had 343 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: actually mentioned earlier that there was you know, going to 344 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: this abandoned site. God, that's really creepy, isn't it, going 345 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,439 Speaker 1: to this abandoned site that phone can be tracked to 346 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 1: that location. The the really terrifying part to this is 347 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: that she kind of vanishes off of the face of 348 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: the planet and she's nowhere to be seen. Days go by. 349 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 1: We've got a week that goes by and no one 350 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: knows anything, and then suddenly there's a break in a 351 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: case and someone anonymously drops a dime. It's often been 352 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 1: said about any investigation that time is in fact the 353 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: coin of the realm. It is that thing, that element 354 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: that we value the most in any investigation because with 355 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: time we can set markers, markers moving down that linear 356 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: that linear track that leads us from the point of 357 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: origin to the point of conclusion. And Dave, in this case, 358 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 1: we've got certain markers early on that we're very aware 359 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 1: of relative to the I don't know, digital redcrumbs, if 360 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: you don't mind me saying, And I think that it's 361 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:29,919 Speaker 1: key that we understand where these actually lead to. You 362 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: made mention of her earlier, and yes, and you know, everybody, 363 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 1: everybody has value. But when when you have a young 364 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:48,120 Speaker 1: woman who is has a profile, she's profiled out as 365 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: being beautiful, she's young, she's a college graduate. We know 366 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,679 Speaker 1: that she was, of you know, of all things, an 367 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 1: NCAA Division one cheerleader at arguably one of the one 368 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: of the most high profile universities in the nation. She's 369 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,239 Speaker 1: going to catch the eye of a few people. And 370 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: you know that's that's the double edged sword here, isn't it. 371 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: You never know who's lurking out there, who's watching, And 372 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 1: you think about her and you think, wow, if someone 373 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: was going to target somebody and maybe kidnap them, she 374 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: might be she might be a primary target. 375 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 2: Dave, we know Joe from the very beginning, even though 376 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 2: you know, we mentioned that at ten twenty four her 377 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 2: phone stopped contacting with all networks, but you realize, up 378 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 2: until ten twenty four, they knew exactly where it was, 379 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 2: and they were able to find out who else was 380 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 2: in that area, you know, because every phone connects to 381 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 2: a tower somewhere yep, and they do have a record 382 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,640 Speaker 2: of every phone connecting to that tower, so they could 383 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 2: find out if Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack were there. 384 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 2: We didn't you know, we driving through our phone connected 385 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 2: to that boom at that particular time, and so they 386 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,239 Speaker 2: start looking and they're going, you know, that's that is 387 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 2: a really big get when you think about it, and 388 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 2: then you realize, wait a minute, this phone number contacted 389 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:17,959 Speaker 2: Cada several other times in the last few days. Okay, 390 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 2: now we got our suspect number one. Somebody that's been 391 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 2: in contact with her is in contact with her at 392 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 2: ten twenty four pm, and her phone stops connecting, and 393 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 2: this person's phone is still connecting. So at ten twenty 394 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 2: eight pm, they're able to get video camerick angles from 395 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 2: different residents and businesses to find a dark colored vehicle 396 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 2: is seen pulling into the Aubury Recreation Center parking lot 397 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 2: across the street from the abandoned Ada Lewis Middle School, which, 398 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 2: by the way, it's been abandoned for since two thousand 399 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 2: and eight. So we're talking about a school that has 400 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 2: just been sitting there, falling into disrepair, but it actually 401 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 2: butts up to a school, a high school that is 402 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 2: currently active. So you've got this. You got a lot 403 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 2: of activity around an abandoned building. But they at least 404 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 2: know where to start looking for people and things, and 405 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 2: sure enough officials find they start finding things in the 406 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,640 Speaker 2: parking lot, They find another car, they find toyda camera 407 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 2: they start looking for. Then they find this Hyundai that 408 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 2: was reported stolen. Now it's three days later from her disappearance, 409 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 2: and it's on fire by the time police get there. 410 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 2: Not only is the car that burned up now it's 411 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 2: already been trash compacted before they even get to it. 412 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:37,640 Speaker 1: This is mind mind boggling that it happened that quickly 413 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:42,199 Speaker 1: with this automobile. I was shocked. I got it, you know, 414 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: because it's like when I'm going over the story, initially, 415 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,120 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, oh, they found a car and it was burning, 416 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, first off, if I'm going to start 417 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: a fire car is It's not my first choice. I'm 418 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: not going to bring Weenie's to a car fire, you know, 419 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,919 Speaker 1: say it's not It's not like you're building a bonfire. 420 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: All right. I got questions, you know, if you've got 421 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: a car on fire, I want to know, well, what 422 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,360 Speaker 1: was the point of origin of the fire. Is this 423 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: just just at a baseline? Okay? I want to know 424 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: if someone first off, has stolen a vehicle. I want 425 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 1: to know if somebody is trying to defraud based on 426 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 1: insurance because they're trying to destroy something, or even worse 427 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: and more sinister, was this vehicle used in the commission 428 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: of a crime and there was physical evidence within the vehicle. 429 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: How do you get from the point where, Okay, we 430 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: find a vehicle on fire and we're going to take 431 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 1: it and take it to, you know, the wrecking yard, 432 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 1: and we're going to put it in the you know, 433 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: if you ever saw the movie Goldfinger where they take 434 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: the car and they put it into the compactor and 435 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,199 Speaker 1: they crush it down, you know, and the thing is 436 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:03,160 Speaker 1: is compact to that point? Who does that in that 437 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: short period of time, Dave. 438 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 2: Well, as we have found out evil lurks among us, 439 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 2: and they do things that are shocking. And that's all 440 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 2: I can think of, is that things that you and 441 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 2: I can't even imagine happening because we're not coming at 442 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 2: it from a criminal angle. We're coming from it at 443 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 2: it from a totally different place they're coming to it from. 444 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 2: Think about it. They have kidnapped and obviously we're talking 445 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 2: about it on body bags because Kata Scott vanishes from work. 446 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 2: They track her and then Keon King, a twenty one 447 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 2: year old man who, by the way, has already been 448 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 2: in trouble with the law for strangling a woman and 449 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 2: kidnapping her. And the only reason he got away with 450 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 2: that is because she didn't show up in court. Oh 451 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 2: so they already have Keon King in their radar. They 452 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 2: find they forgot him surrounded by a ninety nine toy 453 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 2: at a camri. They've got another vehicle, and then by 454 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 2: being able to trace him, follow him. Now you got 455 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 2: a suspect, and boom. At four am on October sixth, 456 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 2: they see a lighter colored vehicle moving closer to where 457 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 2: the dark colored vehicle was parked, and a video shows 458 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 2: two people going up to a dark colored vehicle in 459 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 2: the parking lot and removing a heavy object consistent with 460 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 2: the human body from the passenger side. They're seen carrying 461 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 2: the object towards the By the way, you know I'm 462 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 2: talking about the school, Did I say that? Yes? 463 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, yeah, Because. 464 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 2: They're at Aubury, they're at the closed school, and like 465 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 2: I said, there's businesses around. There are cameras around this area, 466 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 2: even though it's a school that's been abandoned. 467 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you've got a high school right there, and 468 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: you've got homes that are there, and this is you know, again, 469 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: let me just interject here relative to dis abandoned location. 470 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: If you're going to perpetrate something so dark, you would 471 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: think that you would want to location that is. And 472 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: this gives you an idea about the focus of a 473 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: perpetrator here. They're focused only on the abandoned building. Hey, 474 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: this place is abandoned. We know that there's not going 475 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: to be points of observation. Perhaps we know that there's 476 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,959 Speaker 1: not going to be active CCTV. That tells me that 477 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 1: an individual would have prior knowledge of this location. It 478 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: actually makes me think, is there anything else that's adjacent 479 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 1: to this building? Is there anything inside of this abandoned 480 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: building some evidence of other crimes? Wink wink, nod nod. 481 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: You know, thinking about this because this is a destination 482 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 1: for someone that wants to do something that's very malevolent. 483 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 1: But their focus is there, it's not on the functioning 484 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: CCTV at the current high school and also the other 485 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: associated businesses and homes around there. I go back and 486 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: I think about this compacted car that has already been 487 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:04,719 Speaker 1: subjected to heat fire. Dave, that car or what remained 488 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 1: of it, just imagine the most hellish nightmare jigsaw puzzle 489 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: that you can imagine. If there is evidence within that 490 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 1: vehicle and they did not take time to collect it, 491 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: guess what has to happen. This thing's going to have 492 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 1: to be unspun in some way. Can you imagine the 493 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: headache that that would be to go in and try 494 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: to dismantle a compacted car, to go in and see 495 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: if you can find some remnant of perhaps biological material 496 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: in there. Because as it turns out, Dave, as it 497 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: turns out, this vehicle may have well have been a 498 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: conveyance that this precious girl would have been in. We 499 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: don't know what the stats we do know and again 500 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: this is just me just kind of throwing this out there. 501 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: We do know that her phone may have been destroyed. 502 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but that's a signal to 503 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 1: me that there is a willingness to do violence at 504 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 1: that point in time, anytime you destroy and listen, you know, 505 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: phones to kids nowadays are some of the most value. 506 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: They are the single most valuable thing that many of 507 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: them possess, right both what they mean to them and 508 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: also how much they how much these things cost? Right? 509 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: And so if you how menacing is this if you 510 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 1: take a phone, throw it on the ground and stomp 511 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: on it, or you crack it and have or you 512 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: take a hammer to it or something like this just 513 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: to try to destroy the thing, that's menacing behavior. What 514 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: could have happened in that car? Was there any biological 515 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: data that was lost as a result of the fire 516 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 1: or worse, you know, it being compacted? 517 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 2: Dave, it's so sad Jovid. Everything you just said is 518 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 2: absolutely positively true and is what is going to have 519 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 2: to happen. Have to find a way to find out 520 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 2: about Well what DNA exists in that compacted car, because 521 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 2: you've got her leaving her place of business. We've got 522 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 2: her there, but then you have her, well we see them, 523 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 2: they being these unknown figures. Well we know one of 524 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 2: them's Keon King because they arrested him on kidnapping charges. 525 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 2: They you know, because he was with her. Their phones 526 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 2: were matched up, they were talking and texting and the 527 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 2: last time she was seen was well she's headed that way, 528 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 2: and there he is. And so they start tracing Keon King. 529 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 2: They start finding well, we got him tracking back and 530 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 2: forth towards this old school, and they go to the 531 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 2: school and they're looking in the parking lot, and that's 532 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 2: when we first got the headline. Hey, they found some 533 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 2: of Kata Scott's belongings in the parking lot around the 534 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 2: school at the closed Ada Lewis Middle School. And you 535 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 2: mentioned a minute ago about dropping a dime. Now, they 536 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 2: being police, a lot of the information we have now 537 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 2: when we give you the timetable, they did not have 538 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 2: that in real time. They have that now. They didn't 539 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 2: have it then, because all of this is put together 540 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 2: after the fact. Police were blind going into this. They 541 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 2: get a call and go there and oh, we found something. 542 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 2: Then they get another call and oh, we found something else. 543 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 2: Then they get a very specific, anonymous tip that sends 544 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 2: them to an area behind the school. And in this 545 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,800 Speaker 2: particular case, I mentioned that this old abandoned school backs 546 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:39,879 Speaker 2: into a currently populated high school. But there's a lot 547 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 2: of area between the two that is not used. You know, 548 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,799 Speaker 2: it's just trashy, jungled up stuff. There's nothing going on 549 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 2: out there. It's not a place anybody would take a 550 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 2: short cut. But if you were going to get rid 551 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 2: of a body there, you go and so this very 552 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 2: specific anonymous tip. By the way, dropping a dime. It 553 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 2: used to cost a die to make a phone call. 554 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 2: Before we had a phone in our pocket, there were 555 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,760 Speaker 2: these things. If you were out driving around and needed 556 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 2: to call somebody, there was this booth that was usually 557 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 2: a glass box on the side of the road, and 558 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 2: there was a phone in there and you had to 559 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 2: put change of dime into it and you could make 560 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 2: a phone call. 561 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 1: Can I interject something, right? I just had a memory. 562 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 1: I got to tell you this before the day of 563 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: cell phones, and I had a police radio with me 564 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 1: everywhere I went, but you had to make landline calls 565 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 1: back then, Dave, I'm revealing a deep dark secret here. 566 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 1: I used to have a Do you remember the purple 567 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 1: and gold velvet crown royal bags? Do you remember those 568 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,759 Speaker 1: that the whiskey would come in. I had one of 569 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 1: those bags, and it was packed to the top at 570 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,360 Speaker 1: all time with quarters, and I kept it underneath the 571 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: seat of my car of the unit that I drove, 572 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 1: so that I would have access us to go to 573 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,880 Speaker 1: a payphone to make a phone. People cannot identify with 574 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 1: that now, but yeah, I use that term dropping a 575 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:12,760 Speaker 1: dime because that's an old euphemistic term relative to somebody 576 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: rolled over on somebody here, And Dave, I got to 577 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 1: tell you, I got to tell you. If we've got 578 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 1: this guy in custody on kidnapping, who else is involved 579 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 1: in this? Who would have knowledge of her body is there? 580 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 1: And it was something really dark that was said. It 581 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:40,360 Speaker 1: was like she's there, or like her remains are there, 582 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 1: or you didn't look hard enough. I'm not really sure 583 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 1: you know how what the phraseology was, but you need 584 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 1: to go back out and look again. 585 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 2: And you didn't do the job. Man, get back out there, 586 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 2: and you know, and they did. That's how they found 587 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 2: it because they're actually walking in an area. Okay, they 588 00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 2: still don't know they're in the exact area where and 589 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 2: the police are looking around. There's more than one and 590 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 2: there's a piece of wood. And when you find a 591 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 2: piece of wood just kind of amongst dirt, yeah, it 592 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,399 Speaker 2: feels different. And when you look around, you're going, hey, 593 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 2: this is a softer spot than that is. And then 594 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 2: they lift it up and go, well, here's some disturbed ground. 595 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:21,320 Speaker 1: Ye turn the earth. 596 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 2: They they were surprised they found They started digging with 597 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 2: their bare hands, Joe, and they said, as soon as 598 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,360 Speaker 2: they started clearing the dirt, they smelled. They had a smell, 599 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,840 Speaker 2: and there were maggots. Now, Joe, what does the dirt 600 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,280 Speaker 2: with maggots and smell mean to you. 601 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 1: Well, it means that you have you have remains. Now 602 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 1: of course that you know, you're hoping against hope, if 603 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 1: you're an investigator, that what you're about to uncover is 604 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 1: not human remains. You hope that somebody took Fido out there, 605 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 1: because the other thing that they may not have made 606 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,160 Speaker 1: note of at the time. You're also going to have flies, 607 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:06,240 Speaker 1: and those flies will be circling that area, copious flies. 608 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 1: Flies burrow. People don't realize that they will burrow to 609 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:18,200 Speaker 1: get down to a specific area. They will lay their eggs. 610 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:23,560 Speaker 1: And you know the fact that you have maggot development. 611 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:31,719 Speaker 1: By this time, you could have gone through a couple 612 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,040 Speaker 1: of early generations of flies. I think you would find 613 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:40,960 Speaker 1: maggot husk, which means that you would find maggot that 614 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,759 Speaker 1: had actually developed or were beginning to develop, and they 615 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,360 Speaker 1: could shed husk. We don't really know about the timeline 616 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 1: at this point. I'm waiting to hear more information from 617 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,760 Speaker 1: from a perspective, it's key relative to forensic entomology, because 618 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,319 Speaker 1: this is going to be key to talk about this. 619 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 1: At the scene, one of the things that we do 620 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 1: is that we actually collect a variety of samples of 621 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,160 Speaker 1: maggot at the scene and we put them into little 622 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:13,080 Speaker 1: glass jars and fill them with alcohol, and of course 623 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 1: that puts them well, it kills them, but it puts 624 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:20,239 Speaker 1: them in a static or in stasis, so that we 625 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,799 Speaker 1: can hand these off to an entomologist and they can 626 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,160 Speaker 1: do an assessment on the development cycle of these maggots 627 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 1: and it gives you a specific time, you know, how long, 628 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,719 Speaker 1: because they have a formula they can work out and 629 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,319 Speaker 1: they can say, this is how long it takes for 630 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,000 Speaker 1: a fly to lay an egg or the species of 631 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,960 Speaker 1: fly to lay an egg, and then this is how 632 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,279 Speaker 1: long you're going through the developmental cycle of these of 633 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:48,719 Speaker 1: these flows. If they're a husk lying about, which are 634 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,200 Speaker 1: shed that that outer heartshell it becomes a hard shell, 635 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,759 Speaker 1: that's also a clue you want to collect those. There 636 00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,920 Speaker 1: may be maggot that are actually collected when you get 637 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:06,040 Speaker 1: back to back to the autopsy suite as well. And 638 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:10,560 Speaker 1: one of the interesting things we don't really know clothing 639 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:15,960 Speaker 1: status at least I don't at this point, but if 640 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:23,120 Speaker 1: there are any injuries, Dave, whatsoever. Okay, that's a big 641 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:27,919 Speaker 1: signal for the for the fly. 642 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,000 Speaker 2: Okay, well you know she was shot in the head. 643 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, we do, and that has just recently in the 644 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,640 Speaker 1: last few days they finally released or cause of death. 645 00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,759 Speaker 1: So if you have a gunshot wound to the back 646 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:45,880 Speaker 1: of the head, that area would be It's kind of 647 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,359 Speaker 1: a fascinating thing. Sometimes you can look at a body, Dave, 648 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:53,120 Speaker 1: and where you will see a huge concentration of maggot activity. 649 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,799 Speaker 1: Many times that's an indication of an injury. Because the 650 00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:01,640 Speaker 1: area is open, it's open, it's warm, it's wet. H 651 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,840 Speaker 1: These flies will lay their eggs in the spot because 652 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:09,640 Speaker 1: their goal, the flies goal is generationally to keep going. 653 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,960 Speaker 1: You know. They all they do is fly about and 654 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,640 Speaker 1: make baby flies and then they move on and their 655 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,239 Speaker 1: life cycle is very short, so they do this continuation thing. 656 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,440 Speaker 1: That's why. You know, if you show up on a 657 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:26,560 Speaker 1: decomposing remain and it's covered in flies, and it can 658 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,040 Speaker 1: be an animal remain, or it can be you know, 659 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,400 Speaker 1: it can be the remains of a human. It's the 660 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,480 Speaker 1: same process they you know, or food stuffs that are 661 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:39,399 Speaker 1: laid out, you know, so that can be a big 662 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:43,600 Speaker 1: tail there. And if there's if say, for instance, there 663 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,799 Speaker 1: are any orifices I'm trying to be very delicate with this, 664 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:51,080 Speaker 1: any orifices that are exposed, you will find uh, you 665 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:55,480 Speaker 1: will find eggs there as well, and also maggot activity. 666 00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,600 Speaker 1: I've had cases day and it's a lot of it 667 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:04,880 Speaker 1: is mentally dependent upon how warm the area is. I've 668 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,759 Speaker 1: had people, Dave, I was just talking about this in 669 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,600 Speaker 1: class the other day. As a matter of fact, I've 670 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:16,280 Speaker 1: had cases where within I think two to three hours, 671 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,759 Speaker 1: I actually had fly eggs in the eyes of the 672 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,759 Speaker 1: deceased within two to three hours of death. And yet 673 00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,759 Speaker 1: people don't always close their eyes and death that's a fallacy, 674 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,719 Speaker 1: and so you will. And the eyes are a particular 675 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,799 Speaker 1: interest to flies because it's wet and it's moist. They'll 676 00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,319 Speaker 1: go into the nose and air eies and the mouth 677 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,399 Speaker 1: of the mouth is open, those sorts of things. So anyway, yeah, 678 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,200 Speaker 1: that's going to be a big part to this. The 679 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:47,360 Speaker 1: other part, though, is that they have now released the 680 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:53,640 Speaker 1: cause of death, and I guess the big question here 681 00:42:54,680 --> 00:43:00,480 Speaker 1: is a couple of things. First off, where there was 682 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:06,680 Speaker 1: she killed in the spot? Was this area dugout? Well, 683 00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,040 Speaker 1: obviously it was if they were having to dig down 684 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,239 Speaker 1: and they took a board and placed it over the top. 685 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,000 Speaker 1: If she was killed in that spot, was there a 686 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:19,239 Speaker 1: pre dug hole? Okay? Did they make her kneel and 687 00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,360 Speaker 1: I'm saying they because at this time I don't know 688 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:26,799 Speaker 1: if there's only just one person involved. Did they make 689 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:31,000 Speaker 1: her kneel in the hole and shoot her execute her? 690 00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,759 Speaker 1: Was there a spent casing that was recovered at the 691 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,520 Speaker 1: scene that could be tied back. That's going to be 692 00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,719 Speaker 1: a big tail about the weapon. Do they recover a 693 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:46,560 Speaker 1: weapon and then also relationally from a physical standpoint of 694 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:53,240 Speaker 1: firing a weapon. Was the individual standing to her rear 695 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,239 Speaker 1: with her in a fully erect position and walked up 696 00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,480 Speaker 1: behind her and shot or was she in an kneeling 697 00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:05,000 Speaker 1: posture where they're firing down into the back of the head. 698 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,319 Speaker 1: Was the injury even to the back of the head 699 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,040 Speaker 1: or was it to the side of the head? Was 700 00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,279 Speaker 1: it in the front of the head. I've had I've 701 00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:16,080 Speaker 1: had execution stave that all planes of the head are used. 702 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:20,040 Speaker 1: It's not you know, people say this is interesting. People 703 00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:26,680 Speaker 1: will say, well, it's a classic execution style killing. Well, 704 00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,200 Speaker 1: what do you mean by that classic classic in what 705 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,919 Speaker 1: in the sense of you've been watching The Godfather, or 706 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,480 Speaker 1: in the sense of you've worked so many death scenes 707 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,640 Speaker 1: that this is all you've ever seen. Because I got 708 00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,120 Speaker 1: to tell you, I've had people that were executed by 709 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,000 Speaker 1: being shot in the forehead. I've had people that have 710 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,279 Speaker 1: been executed shot in the temple. I've had people I've 711 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:51,040 Speaker 1: actually had one case where an individual was forced to 712 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:52,799 Speaker 1: place their mouth on the muzzle of the well and 713 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,040 Speaker 1: that is very rare. You see that in movies. So 714 00:44:56,080 --> 00:45:00,759 Speaker 1: we don't really know. But the relationship, the physical relationship 715 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:05,960 Speaker 1: between the end of that muzzle and wherever, wherever the 716 00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,359 Speaker 1: round wound up in this precious child's head is going 717 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,880 Speaker 1: to be key here because we'll know what kind of 718 00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,080 Speaker 1: position she was in and those those you know, those 719 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,720 Speaker 1: last moments of her life there in that dark, dirty area, 720 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:27,360 Speaker 1: you know, and she's seemingly has exited her place of 721 00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:31,000 Speaker 1: work under her own free will. We've got these messages 722 00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:35,799 Speaker 1: what kind of relationship pre existed with this person who 723 00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,439 Speaker 1: has now been charged I charged now at this point, 724 00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:42,239 Speaker 1: not just with kidnapping, several other charges including they had 725 00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:46,040 Speaker 1: a real interesting one on there, called causing a catastrophe, 726 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,480 Speaker 1: which I have never in my life heard this term before. 727 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,880 Speaker 1: And I guess that has to do with fire setting. 728 00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:55,480 Speaker 2: They got in there too. 729 00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's arson, so yeah, they've really thrown the 730 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,320 Speaker 1: book at him and now he's staring down the barrel. 731 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,640 Speaker 1: No pun intended of homsaw charge as well. 732 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:09,120 Speaker 2: Let me ask you something, Joe, because a concern of mine. 733 00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,680 Speaker 2: She was kidnapped, kidnapped the night of October the fourth, 734 00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:17,600 Speaker 2: or that's the night she left work. And they police 735 00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,800 Speaker 2: know things they're not telling us, and they are saying 736 00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,160 Speaker 2: she was kidnapped. So I'm going to go with that. 737 00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,239 Speaker 2: But she went to the parking lot. Maybe she was 738 00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,759 Speaker 2: being threatened, Hey, if you don't come out here, we're 739 00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:29,960 Speaker 2: going to kill your parents. Yeah, I don't know, but 740 00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:35,160 Speaker 2: she went to that parking lot under her own momentum, our, 741 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:39,479 Speaker 2: own wheels. And anyway, they're suggested. Her date of death 742 00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,560 Speaker 2: is listed as October eighteenth, that's the day her body 743 00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:46,280 Speaker 2: was found. Yeah, but they believed she was killed shortly 744 00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,680 Speaker 2: after she was kidnapped October the fourth. 745 00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:53,120 Speaker 1: Thanks for asking No, it's not thanks for asking this question. 746 00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,759 Speaker 1: And because right now, I'm going to educate people on 747 00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,960 Speaker 1: two terms. I'm so glad you set this up. And 748 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,239 Speaker 1: by the way, we did not plan this. I'm so 749 00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,080 Speaker 1: glad you said this because data death and data pronouncement 750 00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:11,319 Speaker 1: are two completely different things. If you watch any kind 751 00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:15,040 Speaker 1: of like medical procedural show on television, they'll say, when 752 00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,000 Speaker 1: did you you know where the person says, we're calling 753 00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,400 Speaker 1: it now. You know, like that the physician or whoever 754 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,960 Speaker 1: it is, they're running a code in some emergency fictional 755 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:29,560 Speaker 1: emergency room. Well, yeah, that is a time of pronouncement. 756 00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,400 Speaker 1: And in many states, depend upon the state you're in, 757 00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,719 Speaker 1: the corner can actually pronounce, or the medical examiner can 758 00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,960 Speaker 1: actually pronounce. You show up, you've got a decomposing body, 759 00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:46,680 Speaker 1: the corner will write down a time of pronouncement. That is, 760 00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:53,040 Speaker 1: that's an official designation that's to go on the death certificate. Okay, 761 00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:56,400 Speaker 1: so we're going to call it today's date at this time. 762 00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,880 Speaker 1: That's different than the time of death. Time of death 763 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:06,400 Speaker 1: is actually a diagnosis, if you will, a postmortem diagnosis, 764 00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,799 Speaker 1: and the best you can do is kind of ballpark it, 765 00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:13,040 Speaker 1: you know, So if you go back and remember when 766 00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:17,640 Speaker 1: they think, when they think she actually died. Time of 767 00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:22,360 Speaker 1: death is a single digit date time of death, and 768 00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,359 Speaker 1: of course when she was pronounced is a double digit date, 769 00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,720 Speaker 1: So you've got this time that has passed. But one 770 00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:33,480 Speaker 1: is actually a biological finding that you're you know, you're 771 00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:35,760 Speaker 1: kind of taking a stab at the dark in the dark, 772 00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,520 Speaker 1: and this can be very confusing for people, and rightly 773 00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,399 Speaker 1: it makes sense that it would be confusing, but they're 774 00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:47,200 Speaker 1: completely two different things. I think what people are going 775 00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:55,120 Speaker 1: to be asking is what she did, what she dead 776 00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:59,000 Speaker 1: on that same night, or had she been spirited away 777 00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:05,520 Speaker 1: somewhere because they've leaned into this kidnapping charge. Now, kidnapping 778 00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:10,239 Speaker 1: does not mean that you kidnapped an individual and sustained 779 00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,479 Speaker 1: them for a long period of time. However, I think 780 00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:17,359 Speaker 1: that investigators, and rightly so, should entertain the thought. They're 781 00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:21,399 Speaker 1: going to try to understand this and see if they 782 00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,960 Speaker 1: can assess and forensics is going to be a big 783 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,400 Speaker 1: part of this. They're going to look at some forensic pathologist, 784 00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,680 Speaker 1: they're going to look at an entomologist, and they're going 785 00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,400 Speaker 1: to say, based on your findings, do you think that 786 00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:36,120 Speaker 1: there's possibility she died relatively close to the last time 787 00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:41,000 Speaker 1: she was seen alive because they'rein rest, a big change 788 00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,600 Speaker 1: in the narrative, and also one more thing that we 789 00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:49,280 Speaker 1: have to remember in her case. We have to remember 790 00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:56,000 Speaker 1: that though one person has been charged with multiple offenses, 791 00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:03,560 Speaker 1: there are others that are in case. Brother Dave and 792 00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:04,960 Speaker 1: I are going to keep you up to speed on 793 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:09,000 Speaker 1: this case because, just like you, we want to know. 794 00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,880 Speaker 1: I want to know who else perhaps had a hand 795 00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:22,640 Speaker 1: in the destruction, the murder of this beautiful child and 796 00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:28,120 Speaker 1: robbed the world of someone that probably would have made 797 00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:34,080 Speaker 1: it a lot brighter. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this 798 00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:36,040 Speaker 1: is Bodybags.