WEBVTT - Draft Show: The Draft Starts in Mobile 0:00:03.240 --> 0:00:08.520 This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:12.320 war room for incenter news and draft analysis from deep 0:00:12.360 --> 0:00:16.200 within the confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star in Fresco, 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:22.840 Dallas Cowboys like d Lamb and now your hosts. Brian 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:43.199 brought us, David Hellman, Bucky Brooks, and Kyle Yeoman's. Oh, 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:46.360 welcome into the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. We 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:50.880 are here on a beautiful Tuesday, and maybe a little 0:00:50.880 --> 0:00:55.040 bit late because technical difficulty that run rambit throughout the 0:00:56.080 --> 0:00:59.080 backside of the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. But 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:01.480 we are here and we are ready to bring you 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:04.920 draft coverage on what is Senior Bowl week. We are 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:08.560 ninety days out from the NFL Draft, and well this 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:11.400 is a great week for grabbing all of that information 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:16.200 and finding our way to the NFL Draft. Welcome in everybody. 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:19.400 Kyle Yeoman's alongside David Hellman. Brian brought us who are 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:22.440 the normal cast of characters here on the Tuesday edition 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:24.880 of the show, But we had some trouble connecting with 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:28.199 Bucky Brooks. He'll be on Thursday. Instead. We have gotten 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:31.399 Jeff Cavanall to come in out of the bullpen. Just 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:35.800 real easy, always ready to come in and pitch in relief. 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:38.039 And Jeff, thanks for joining us so quickly. I mean, 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:39.840 I know you had a lot of setup to do. 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:42.000 I know that snow globe is holding up your phone 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:46.520 right now quite nicely. Well, I don't think that the 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:49.280 audience can see that, Kyle, So you're not supposed to 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:54.400 mention that I'm gone. I'm already taken a coverture of it. Yes, 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:58.240 I have a book on top of a bottle of 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:01.800 scotch and my phone sittings on the book, and then 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:04.720 the snow globe holds the phone up from not falling over. 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:06.920 But yeah, I never have anything going on in life, 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:09.480 So anytime you need me, I'm here. And there's tacos 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:11.000 at the door, but who cares if they're going to 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:14.280 be cold. You know, let's do the draft. Well, look, 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:17.200 we're just like we're just like the NFL teams that 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:20.360 are putting this thing together. Like sometimes you might not 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:22.919 have a combine, you might not be able to watch workouts. 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:25.200 You just gotta stitch it together with duct tape. And 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:27.320 that's what we're doing right here, And I for one, 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:31.639 really appreciate it. Thank goodness. If Brian's holding on to 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:35.200 dear life, to his Internet connection everybody, just so you know, 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:39.360 so you hear Brian cutting in and out, that's why. 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:41.640 But he sounds great in our ears, and Brian, I 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:44.120 know this is a big week for you because of 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:45.840 course the Senior Bowl is where you get a lot 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:49.680 of this information. But how important is this Senior Bowl 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:52.000 this year just based off of the fact that you 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:54.720 don't have a combine, or at least a normal combine. 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:57.239 You don't have those in person visits and this is 0:02:57.280 --> 0:02:59.480 really the one opportunity that you're going to have in 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:02.919 order to find a lot of the information on these 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:08.040 various prospects. Yeah, it's it's the first time though that 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:10.840 you really have to be able to have the measurables 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:13.960 of these players. And you know, this past weekend, you know, 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:17.880 Jim Naggy and the staff was working through all that 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:22.320 they were going through COVID tests, they were going through isolation. 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:25.600 You know, a lot of things are having to kind 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:28.239 of go on right now in order to get these 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:31.800 players out on the field to hopefully have practice today. 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:34.560 I was talking with the team that as they got 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:37.960 twelve scouts there to watch practice. You know, it's just 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:41.600 it's going to be a lot different. Uh, the interaction 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:44.640 you have with the players is really going to be limited, 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:47.200 you know. And like I said, Jim and his staff 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:49.960 had done a heck of a job of getting us 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:53.720 to this point. And you know, hopefully that they can 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:57.440 know the Panthers and the Dolphins. We can have practice, 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:01.640 we could get film out there, and you know, everybody 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:06.840 can kind of maybe look at this as some normalcy. 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:08.760 You know, when you when you when you watch Senior 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:11.240 Bowl practice, that's the best thing in the world. So 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:13.960 you know, getting those those players out of the field 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:17.839 will be a welcome relief to a lot of scouts 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:21.360 who have spent the fall, you know, at their home 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:24.839 just grinding on tape. To see players actually live, I 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:27.080 think is gonna do a lot of scouts good in 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:30.839 this way. Yeah, and you look at the Senior Bowl, 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:33.120 I mean a lot of changes to it already. I mean, 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:35.039 based off the fact that this is the first year 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:37.800 that it's not a lad People's stadium and said, it's 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:40.120 on the campus of South Alabama and it's at a 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:43.200 new stadium. It'll be at the stadium whenever the Senior 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:46.080 Bowl game actually rolls around on Saturday, it's not open 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:48.880 to the public. None of these practices are because of 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:52.920 COVID nineteen and just limited personnel and media that are 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:55.320 allowed in the building as well. It's one of the 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:58.200 reasons why we're not down there. Normally we're in nopemobile 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:02.400 doing the draft and having that kind of information gathering, 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:05.279 but that's not the case due to the curtain certain climate. 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:08.920 But Dave, whenever you look at the Cowboys specifically, I mean, 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:12.800 they have had a rich history of going and getting 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:16.200 guys from mobile and this year they're not even really 0:05:16.240 --> 0:05:18.520 sending a whole lot of coaching staff down there. It's 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:22.680 mostly just a couple of scouts and really that might 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:24.680 be about it in terms of who makes the trip. 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:26.599 But how much of an impact do you think this 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:29.960 type of different week of the Senior Bowl in general 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:32.200 is going to have with the Cowboys coaching staff and 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:38.320 front office. Well yeah, and I mean these things changed 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:40.960 by the regime to a degree. Mike McCarthy made it 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:43.920 pretty clear last year that he doesn't think it's all 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:47.320 that important for the coaching staff, especially since these practices 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:49.400 will be available. You know, they'll distribute it to the 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:51.040 league so you can watch the tape of it. You 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:53.000 can watch the tape of the game after it's over, 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:56.480 so that parts not surprising. I am. I'm curious about 0:05:56.520 --> 0:06:00.240 the scouting staff, you know, whether they get the same 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:02.000 amount of stuff out of it. I had to laugh 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:03.960 this morning. I don't know if you saw this, but 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:07.880 Jim Naggie had his social people tweeting out the heights 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:10.559 and weights and now all the measurements of all the guys, 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:13.880 and I was like, wait, wait a second, because I've 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:15.600 had to get up at the crack of dawn with 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:18.279 Brian broad Us like the last eight years and go 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:21.240 do this myself. So you're telling me I can just 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:24.080 get it on Twitter from the comfort of my own bed. Like, 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:27.400 I hope that's a change that stays with us, because 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:32.240 that's great. But then, and you know, obviously everybody would 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:34.880 prefer for it to be normal. But again, like technology 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:38.240 allows a lot of this stuff to be done remotely, 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:41.080 so as long as the practices happen, I think the 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:43.800 Cowboys will be fine. And yeah, I mean, you're absolutely right. 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:47.200 They value like like Brian just said, like being able 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:50.159 to see guys get live reps as valuable and the 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:54.760 Cowboys have pretty reliably you know, looked into this Senior 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:58.200 Bowl crop. Tony Pollard is probably the best most recent 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:01.240 example of a guy who really flashed the Senior Bowl. Obviously, 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:03.400 you know, we don't need we don't need to bring 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:06.240 up back at this point, but yeah, I mean this, 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:08.279 this carries a lot of weight for the Cowboys and 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:10.280 the proof is in the pudding. They draft these guys 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:14.200 all the time. Well, Zack Martin too, Remember Zack, remember 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:17.080 that that glorious Senior Bowl that we were all part 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:21.800 of where you know, Zack Martin is showing his wares though, 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:24.360 and you know, and that's you and Aaron Donald. What 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:27.600 a great matchup between those two, you know. And that's 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:29.760 the that's the thing I think that Jim Naggee and 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:33.280 you know, and Jim Nagge and his staff, they've done 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:35.240 a really good job. I know, Jeff and I do 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:38.280 in radio we went through the list of the Senior 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:41.320 Bowl guys that we were looking for. Are looking at 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:44.400 her and excited and you know, it's a good crop. 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:48.000 And that just goes to show you with you know, 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:52.080 scouts can't be resilient. Jim and his staff they didn't 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:55.160 take no for an answer, you know, they continue to scout, 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:58.520 they continue to evaluate, they continue to invite, They went 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:01.160 through all the protocols so we can have a game 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:03.880 that that shows you a lot about really what goes 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:06.680 on in the scouting community in the National Football League. 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:09.560 You know, Brian, I'm jealous of you, just based on 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:11.720 the fact that Dave said he got up for eight 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:13.920 years and went to you to the way in because 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:15.520 last year I tried to get him to get out 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:17.000 of bed and he wouldn't do it, and he wouldn't 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:19.120 come with me to to my first way in at 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:23.040 the senior You do that. Yeah, it's exciting the first time, 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:26.000 and then like by the eighth time, you're like, well, Brian, Brian, 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:27.760 I'll have all this written down when I get to 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:30.840 practice at ten thirty, Like it's you know, this is fine. 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:34.640 I think I would I should point out, Oh, sorry, 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:37.160 go ahead. I was no, go you go for it. 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:38.560 I want to hear what you wanted to point out. 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:42.959 You should point out that Kyle is a snitched on you. 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:46.120 I was gonna say that at the break Yeah, like, 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:50.480 very uncool, Kyle, But hey, that's called that's called paying 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:52.760 your dues. You get up at six thirty with Brian 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:54.800 to go to the way in like the first six 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:56.920 years and then by year eight you can sleep in. 0:08:57.200 --> 0:08:59.600 Um I'll tell you. I'll tell you a snitching story. 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:02.320 Real it's not on anybody I work with here, but 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:05.000 don't you do it. I used to go to the combine. 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:07.400 The way ins at the combine and you'd have to 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:09.319 get it to get one of those front row seats. 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:11.280 You had to leave it about five thirty in the 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:14.200 morning to get over there to get a seat. And 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:16.840 I remember coming down the elevator many a day and 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:19.720 like the Cowboy Bust that was parked on the other 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:23.240 side was still rocking and rolling with our crew over there. 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:27.120 So yeah, yeah, we we did it the right way 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:29.520 at at the combine. We had we had, we had 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:32.560 everybody was I will say this though, everybody that was 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:35.199 in that bus all night was sitting at the forty 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:37.720 yard line at eight thirty in the morning watching, So 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:41.720 that itself was very impressive how that crew used to operate. 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:44.199 So yeah, it's not a lot of fun doing that. 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:46.360 Not a whole lot of the number of guys that 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:50.600 no and then the number of guys that go to 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:53.319 and again we're not going to say any names Kyle. No, 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:56.559 I'm not saying, Yeah, you go to you go to 0:09:56.679 --> 0:09:59.480 wagh Ins and workouts at you know, seven o'clock in 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:02.600 the morning, You'll see some hang You'll see some hungover people. 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:06.440 For sure, you'll work hard and play hard, no doubt, 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:09.599 no doubt about that. I mean whatever you look at 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:12.679 at the job that that Jim Nagy has done, and 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:14.840 Brian and I were talking about this offer as well. 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:16.800 I mean, it's it's a crop that seems to get 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:19.520 better every year. I mean last year we were excited 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:22.839 about guys like Javon kin Lall and Justin Herbert who 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:26.000 were in the crop, and then this year it's DeVante Smith. 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:28.680 I mean, you get the Heisman Trophy winner anytime to 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:30.800 come to Mobile and you're gonna be really excited. Same 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:33.040 kind of thing back in the day when Baker Mayfield 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:35.520 was out at the Senior Bowl, and you get another 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:38.600 guy like that, and then just another incredible crop of receivers. 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:41.720 That's what I'm excited about, not to draft a receiver, 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:44.040 but to look at a lot of these dbs, look 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:45.600 at a lot of these corners, and I kind of 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:48.320 want to go through some of those corners. Later in 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:50.400 the show, Jeff, because I know you're looking at a 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:52.640 bunch of those secondary guys and how they're gonna match 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:55.840 up against those wide receivers. But whenever you look at 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:59.080 some of these prospects, mister Kavanaugh, who has the most 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:01.920 a game from a week in mobile? Because if you're 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:04.720 DeVante Smith and you're a Highsman Trophy winner, you already 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:06.920 have putout the incredible tape. You had one of the 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:10.400 best seasons a wide receiver has ever had in college football, 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:12.800 and now you turn around and you expect to add 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:17.360 to that via a week down and exhibition practices and 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:20.280 exhibition games. Who has the most to gain out of this? 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:22.079 Is it the opt outs? Is it the small school 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:26.319 guys or is it guys like DeVante Smith? I think 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:29.000 it's probably the small school guys. Or what I would 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:31.120 say is number one for instance, like I'm looking at 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:33.320 the DBS and if you played at a bigger school 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:35.719 and you've played against great competition, teams are gonna have 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:37.319 a pretty good feel for who you are because they've 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:40.680 already seen it. But just a random name, Robert Rochelle 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:44.640 from Central Arkansas. How about if Robert Rochelle shows up 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:49.079 and in practice he locks up Candarius Tony from Florida, 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:51.760 and he's able to cover Amari Rodgers out of Clemson. 0:11:52.520 --> 0:11:55.000 I think the guys are the most to gain are 0:11:55.160 --> 0:12:01.560 guys who teams aren't sure that they can do a 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:04.600 portion of the game. You know, you've got a guy 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:09.079 who is good man coverage, haven't seen him in zone, 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:11.240 don't know if he can tackle, and you've seen it. 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:13.280 You've got guys who I'm not sure about him in 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:15.679 man coverage. Like if you can show something that scouts 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:18.439 didn't know that you can do, that can be huge. 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:20.640 A linebacker who you haven't seen in coverage a lot, 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:23.400 he goes one on ones and locks up tight ends 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:25.920 and running backs in coverage. That can help you. But 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:28.800 I think for the most part, you're talking about guys 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:31.920 that are trying to move themselves, like late or mid 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:34.079 round guys who are trying to separate themselves from guys 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:37.280 they're practicing with and against. That's what the Senior Bowls about, 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:39.480 and that's why it's awesome for all the guys that 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:42.319 commit to it, because what you're saying is I'm willing 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:45.320 to compete. I'm willing to risk some draft stock because 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:48.079 I think I'm really good and I'm gonna make money 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:51.680 out here. Yeah, I think Jeff, Jeff's nailed it right. 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:54.480 And you know, another name I think about is melafon 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:58.560 Wu from Syracuse, you know. And the reason the reason 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:02.000 I say his name is he's six three, he's two 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:04.720 hundred and fifteen pounds. That's what we had going in. 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:09.240 And you watch his tape and we all remember his brother, Obie, 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:11.760 who was drafted at you know, by the Raiders out 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:15.439 of Connecticut, who played safety. But man, you're talking about 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:19.559 a sixty three, two hundred and fifteen pound quarterback right now, 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:22.640 and so how is he going to match up? Are 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:26.760 you worried when you see him live? Are you worried about? Okay, 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:31.120 is he a long, leggy guy? Canny turned, canny break, 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:35.559 canny adjust? You know sometimes that those tall guys you 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:38.720 have to you lose perspective of, like, okay, is he 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:43.280 not quick because he's tall and long, and so when 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:46.800 you see somebody live like that, it could put your 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:50.040 mind at ease, like, oh, I get it. He's a 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:53.760 smart kid. He's a tough kid. But yes, he can move. 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:57.120 That's what these practices could really could tell you. And 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:01.760 these teams the Dolphins, Caroline. They'll do a good job 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:05.240 of structuring their practice in order to see the drills 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:09.040 where you'll see the movement, the change of direction, and 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:11.920 you'll get to see him compete. So that's where the 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:14.679 great thing about the Senior Bowl is that maybe some 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:18.000 guys that you didn't have a really good gage on 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:21.080 just off tape the Senior Bowl kid kind of opened 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:24.520 your eyes to some other avenues. David. I think a 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:27.720 guy like that from last year was a Kyle Dugger. 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:30.480 I mean, a guy who you had good take on 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:32.520 and you really really liked, but he had a good 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:34.200 Senior Bowl as well, and it kind of added to 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:36.720 that and it ended up pushing him up into the 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:40.160 top top three rounds. I can't remember. It was Jeremy Chen, 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:43.680 also a Senior Bowl representative last year. It's gonna say 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:46.320 it was Jeremy Chen and Kyle Ye. So both of 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:49.360 those guys could have been a very high I don't 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:51.360 think Chin had as good of a Senior Bowl, but 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:53.960 he was still somebody that was that was very nicely 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:57.000 represented down in Mobile. But I mean it seems like 0:14:57.040 --> 0:15:02.640 every year those those guys that end up sticking out, David, Oh, 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:05.440 I mean you know, we can heap praise on Jim 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:07.640 Naggie through this whole thing because again, like when I 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:11.360 started doing this, yeah, like you would occasionally you would 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:14.080 occasionally get a good player. You know, Zach Martin and 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:17.240 Aaron Donald were great college players, but they didn't have 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:20.320 nearly that kind of hype coming out of school. And 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:22.360 now you look at you know, the type of guys 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:25.320 that they're able to get. You know, DeVante Smith's not 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:27.480 going to participate, but even getting him to show up, 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:31.760 you know, they've gotten Baker Mayfield to show up. So yeah, 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:34.040 and I bring that up to say, like, if these 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:37.840 guys invite one of these small school guys, like if 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:40.840 a if an FCS D two or D three player 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:43.480 is at the Senior Bowl, he's probably pretty freaking good. 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:48.280 Ali Marpette is another one that comes to mind. Yeah, yeah, 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:51.040 so this is yeah, like if these guys are if 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:54.640 they're in mobile, they can play. And you know, I'm 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:57.360 I'm past the point of being surprised when some of 0:15:57.360 --> 0:15:59.440 these guys climb up into the first few rounds of 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:04.760 the draft. Brian, from a scouts perspective, I know pretty 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:07.040 much the combine it's the same way, but the Senior 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:10.400 Bowl is a it's a rounding of what you've already found, correct, 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:14.480 it's it's it's and finding those different things and kind 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:16.920 of like what Jeff was talking about specifically, whenever it 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:19.600 comes to filling in the cracks of what you think 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:22.000 about a prospect and what you might not like about 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:25.160 a prospect, and those prospects have one final opportunity to 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:27.280 maybe show that they can do that. But how much 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:29.960 does it weigh, especially in a year like this where 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:31.560 you have to deal with so many of the guys 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:35.800 that are uncertain that we're opt outs, even that we've 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:38.960 already talked about, but all these scouts kind of piecing 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:42.000 this together. How much of a challenge is it from 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:46.080 a Senior Bowl perspective in twenty one? Yeah, I know 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:48.720 it's a big challenge, But you know we've talked about 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:51.640 this before. Scouts can be very resilient in the way 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:53.960 they go about you know, if you tell them within 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:57.160 the rules, this is the interviews, this is the access, 0:16:57.240 --> 0:16:59.560 this is what you can and cannot do. You know, 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:02.880 you'll figure out ways to evaluate. I always go back to, 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:06.800 you know, with the Al Davis back in the days 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:09.919 with the Raiders, Al Davis. He would take two or 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:13.199 three guys every year from the Senior Bowl. You know, 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:15.879 that was something that was really really big to the 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:19.200 Raiders back in the day that you know, and there's 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:22.240 teams to this day also put a lot of weight 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:24.919 in what goes on in the Senior Bowl because what 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:27.600 you're trying to figure out is, Okay, you take these 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:31.880 players out of their element and Alie Moore pet from 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:35.560 Hobart and you put him next to Zack Martin at 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:38.639 a Notre Dame in his element. You know, how do 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:43.520 these players Is the stage too big, is the opportunity 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:47.160 too much? Or no? Do they shine? And I think 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:50.240 you could get a lot out of the Senior Bowl, 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:53.840 not just because the competition or the interaction, but you 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:58.280 could see how players in various weight classes react to 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:02.520 their surroundings. And I think it's a very good it's 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:07.280 a good window through what this player really really is. 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:09.760 And you know, we always say I had a bad 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:12.959 Senior Bowl. Hey, I just appreciate the fact that somebody 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:15.480 would go to the Senior Bowl and participate. You know, 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:18.000 we talked about that. Put it out there, throw it 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:21.480 out there. You know, Yeah, you might be from Central Arkansas, 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:24.680 covering a guy from Notre Dame. But you know, if 0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:27.879 you have some good reps, you know that in the mind, 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:30.520 it's like I knew that kid could play. I knew 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:34.000 that kid could line up and cover that guy. So yeah, 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:38.199 it'll be It's a great week. It really really is. 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:40.840 I don't think anybody gets hurt by it. I think 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:44.080 there's some things that can change your opinion in a 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:46.760 good way, but you kind of say, okay, trust your 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:49.200 eyes on the other stuff. Maybe he had a couple 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:52.040 of bad practices, but a good game. There's a lot 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:54.720 you can really really gain out of this game, not 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:57.399 like say the whole week of evaluation and then the 0:18:57.440 --> 0:19:01.199 actual game itself. Love it. There are a lot of 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:03.119 guys out there that we're going to talk about in 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:05.840 the third segment that you need to keep an eye on, 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:09.320 not even just as Cowboys fans looking for the draft, 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:11.640 but just in general, because there's a ton of talent 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:13.159 down in Mobile and we're going to talk about it. 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:17.600 Practices start today eleven thirty am Central Time. They go 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:21.520 to four, so I think the NFL network is broadcasting 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:23.560 in and we'll be watching along as well. So go 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:26.160 ahead and follow all of us on Twitter to keep 0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:28.239 up today, but when we come back, we'll do some 0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:31.800 Twitter on the twenty. 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