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Speaker 1: brought us, David Hellman, Bucky Brooks, and Kyle Yeoman's. Oh,
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Speaker 1: draft coverage on what is Senior Bowl week. We are
Speaker 1: ninety days out from the NFL Draft, and well this
Speaker 1: is a great week for grabbing all of that information
Speaker 1: and finding our way to the NFL Draft. Welcome in everybody.
Speaker 1: Kyle Yeoman's alongside David Hellman. Brian brought us who are
Speaker 1: the normal cast of characters here on the Tuesday edition
Speaker 1: of the show, But we had some trouble connecting with
Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks. He'll be on Thursday. Instead. We have gotten
Speaker 1: Jeff Cavanall to come in out of the bullpen. Just
Speaker 1: real easy, always ready to come in and pitch in relief.
Speaker 1: And Jeff, thanks for joining us so quickly. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know you had a lot of setup to do.
Speaker 1: I know that snow globe is holding up your phone
Speaker 1: right now quite nicely. Well, I don't think that the
Speaker 1: audience can see that, Kyle, So you're not supposed to
Speaker 1: mention that I'm gone. I'm already taken a coverture of it. Yes,
Speaker 1: I have a book on top of a bottle of
Speaker 1: scotch and my phone sittings on the book, and then
Speaker 1: the snow globe holds the phone up from not falling over.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I never have anything going on in life,
Speaker 1: So anytime you need me, I'm here. And there's tacos
Speaker 1: at the door, but who cares if they're going to
Speaker 1: be cold. You know, let's do the draft. Well, look,
Speaker 1: we're just like we're just like the NFL teams that
Speaker 1: are putting this thing together. Like sometimes you might not
Speaker 1: have a combine, you might not be able to watch workouts.
Speaker 1: You just gotta stitch it together with duct tape. And
Speaker 1: that's what we're doing right here, And I for one,
Speaker 1: really appreciate it. Thank goodness. If Brian's holding on to
Speaker 1: dear life, to his Internet connection everybody, just so you know,
Speaker 1: so you hear Brian cutting in and out, that's why.
Speaker 1: But he sounds great in our ears, and Brian, I
Speaker 1: know this is a big week for you because of
Speaker 1: course the Senior Bowl is where you get a lot
Speaker 1: of this information. But how important is this Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: this year just based off of the fact that you
Speaker 1: don't have a combine, or at least a normal combine.
Speaker 1: You don't have those in person visits and this is
Speaker 1: really the one opportunity that you're going to have in
Speaker 1: order to find a lot of the information on these
Speaker 1: various prospects. Yeah, it's it's the first time though that
Speaker 1: you really have to be able to have the measurables
Speaker 1: of these players. And you know, this past weekend, you know,
Speaker 1: Jim Naggy and the staff was working through all that
Speaker 1: they were going through COVID tests, they were going through isolation.
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of things are having to kind
Speaker 1: of go on right now in order to get these
Speaker 1: players out on the field to hopefully have practice today.
Speaker 1: I was talking with the team that as they got
Speaker 1: twelve scouts there to watch practice. You know, it's just
Speaker 1: it's going to be a lot different. Uh, the interaction
Speaker 1: you have with the players is really going to be limited,
Speaker 1: you know. And like I said, Jim and his staff
Speaker 1: had done a heck of a job of getting us
Speaker 1: to this point. And you know, hopefully that they can
Speaker 1: know the Panthers and the Dolphins. We can have practice,
Speaker 1: we could get film out there, and you know, everybody
Speaker 1: can kind of maybe look at this as some normalcy.
Speaker 1: You know, when you when you when you watch Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl practice, that's the best thing in the world. So
Speaker 1: you know, getting those those players out of the field
Speaker 1: will be a welcome relief to a lot of scouts
Speaker 1: who have spent the fall, you know, at their home
Speaker 1: just grinding on tape. To see players actually live, I
Speaker 1: think is gonna do a lot of scouts good in
Speaker 1: this way. Yeah, and you look at the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of changes to it already. I mean,
Speaker 1: based off the fact that this is the first year
Speaker 1: that it's not a lad People's stadium and said, it's
Speaker 1: on the campus of South Alabama and it's at a
Speaker 1: new stadium. It'll be at the stadium whenever the Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl game actually rolls around on Saturday, it's not open
Speaker 1: to the public. None of these practices are because of
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen and just limited personnel and media that are
Speaker 1: allowed in the building as well. It's one of the
Speaker 1: reasons why we're not down there. Normally we're in nopemobile
Speaker 1: doing the draft and having that kind of information gathering,
Speaker 1: but that's not the case due to the curtain certain climate.
Speaker 1: But Dave, whenever you look at the Cowboys specifically, I mean,
Speaker 1: they have had a rich history of going and getting
Speaker 1: guys from mobile and this year they're not even really
Speaker 1: sending a whole lot of coaching staff down there. It's
Speaker 1: mostly just a couple of scouts and really that might
Speaker 1: be about it in terms of who makes the trip.
Speaker 1: But how much of an impact do you think this
Speaker 1: type of different week of the Senior Bowl in general
Speaker 1: is going to have with the Cowboys coaching staff and
Speaker 1: front office. Well yeah, and I mean these things changed
Speaker 1: by the regime to a degree. Mike McCarthy made it
Speaker 1: pretty clear last year that he doesn't think it's all
Speaker 1: that important for the coaching staff, especially since these practices
Speaker 1: will be available. You know, they'll distribute it to the
Speaker 1: league so you can watch the tape of it. You
Speaker 1: can watch the tape of the game after it's over,
Speaker 1: so that parts not surprising. I am. I'm curious about
Speaker 1: the scouting staff, you know, whether they get the same
Speaker 1: amount of stuff out of it. I had to laugh
Speaker 1: this morning. I don't know if you saw this, but
Speaker 1: Jim Naggie had his social people tweeting out the heights
Speaker 1: and weights and now all the measurements of all the guys,
Speaker 1: and I was like, wait, wait a second, because I've
Speaker 1: had to get up at the crack of dawn with
Speaker 1: Brian broad Us like the last eight years and go
Speaker 1: do this myself. So you're telling me I can just
Speaker 1: get it on Twitter from the comfort of my own bed. Like,
Speaker 1: I hope that's a change that stays with us, because
Speaker 1: that's great. But then, and you know, obviously everybody would
Speaker 1: prefer for it to be normal. But again, like technology
Speaker 1: allows a lot of this stuff to be done remotely,
Speaker 1: so as long as the practices happen, I think the
Speaker 1: Cowboys will be fine. And yeah, I mean, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 1: They value like like Brian just said, like being able
Speaker 1: to see guys get live reps as valuable and the
Speaker 1: Cowboys have pretty reliably you know, looked into this Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl crop. Tony Pollard is probably the best most recent
Speaker 1: example of a guy who really flashed the Senior Bowl. Obviously,
Speaker 1: you know, we don't need we don't need to bring
Speaker 1: up back at this point, but yeah, I mean this,
Speaker 1: this carries a lot of weight for the Cowboys and
Speaker 1: the proof is in the pudding. They draft these guys
Speaker 1: all the time. Well, Zack Martin too, Remember Zack, remember
Speaker 1: that that glorious Senior Bowl that we were all part
Speaker 1: of where you know, Zack Martin is showing his wares though,
Speaker 1: and you know, and that's you and Aaron Donald. What
Speaker 1: a great matchup between those two, you know. And that's
Speaker 1: the that's the thing I think that Jim Naggee and
Speaker 1: you know, and Jim Nagge and his staff, they've done
Speaker 1: a really good job. I know, Jeff and I do
Speaker 1: in radio we went through the list of the Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl guys that we were looking for. Are looking at
Speaker 1: her and excited and you know, it's a good crop.
Speaker 1: And that just goes to show you with you know,
Speaker 1: scouts can't be resilient. Jim and his staff they didn't
Speaker 1: take no for an answer, you know, they continue to scout,
Speaker 1: they continue to evaluate, they continue to invite, They went
Speaker 1: through all the protocols so we can have a game
Speaker 1: that that shows you a lot about really what goes
Speaker 1: on in the scouting community in the National Football League.
Speaker 1: You know, Brian, I'm jealous of you, just based on
Speaker 1: the fact that Dave said he got up for eight
Speaker 1: years and went to you to the way in because
Speaker 1: last year I tried to get him to get out
Speaker 1: of bed and he wouldn't do it, and he wouldn't
Speaker 1: come with me to to my first way in at
Speaker 1: the senior You do that. Yeah, it's exciting the first time,
Speaker 1: and then like by the eighth time, you're like, well, Brian, Brian,
Speaker 1: I'll have all this written down when I get to
Speaker 1: practice at ten thirty, Like it's you know, this is fine.
Speaker 1: I think I would I should point out, Oh, sorry,
Speaker 1: go ahead. I was no, go you go for it.
Speaker 1: I want to hear what you wanted to point out.
Speaker 1: You should point out that Kyle is a snitched on you.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say that at the break Yeah, like,
Speaker 1: very uncool, Kyle, But hey, that's called that's called paying
Speaker 1: your dues. You get up at six thirty with Brian
Speaker 1: to go to the way in like the first six
Speaker 1: years and then by year eight you can sleep in.
Speaker 1: Um I'll tell you. I'll tell you a snitching story.
Speaker 1: Real it's not on anybody I work with here, but
Speaker 1: don't you do it. I used to go to the combine.
Speaker 1: The way ins at the combine and you'd have to
Speaker 1: get it to get one of those front row seats.
Speaker 1: You had to leave it about five thirty in the
Speaker 1: morning to get over there to get a seat. And
Speaker 1: I remember coming down the elevator many a day and
Speaker 1: like the Cowboy Bust that was parked on the other
Speaker 1: side was still rocking and rolling with our crew over there.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, we we did it the right way
Speaker 1: at at the combine. We had we had, we had
Speaker 1: everybody was I will say this though, everybody that was
Speaker 1: in that bus all night was sitting at the forty
Speaker 1: yard line at eight thirty in the morning watching, So
Speaker 1: that itself was very impressive how that crew used to operate.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's not a lot of fun doing that.
Speaker 1: Not a whole lot of the number of guys that
Speaker 1: no and then the number of guys that go to
Speaker 1: and again we're not going to say any names Kyle. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying, Yeah, you go to you go to
Speaker 1: wagh Ins and workouts at you know, seven o'clock in
Speaker 1: the morning, You'll see some hang You'll see some hungover people.
Speaker 1: For sure, you'll work hard and play hard, no doubt,
Speaker 1: no doubt about that. I mean whatever you look at
Speaker 1: at the job that that Jim Nagy has done, and
Speaker 1: Brian and I were talking about this offer as well.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's a crop that seems to get
Speaker 1: better every year. I mean last year we were excited
Speaker 1: about guys like Javon kin Lall and Justin Herbert who
Speaker 1: were in the crop, and then this year it's DeVante Smith.
Speaker 1: I mean, you get the Heisman Trophy winner anytime to
Speaker 1: come to Mobile and you're gonna be really excited. Same
Speaker 1: kind of thing back in the day when Baker Mayfield
Speaker 1: was out at the Senior Bowl, and you get another
Speaker 1: guy like that, and then just another incredible crop of receivers.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm excited about, not to draft a receiver,
Speaker 1: but to look at a lot of these dbs, look
Speaker 1: at a lot of these corners, and I kind of
Speaker 1: want to go through some of those corners. Later in
Speaker 1: the show, Jeff, because I know you're looking at a
Speaker 1: bunch of those secondary guys and how they're gonna match
Speaker 1: up against those wide receivers. But whenever you look at
Speaker 1: some of these prospects, mister Kavanaugh, who has the most
Speaker 1: a game from a week in mobile? Because if you're
Speaker 1: DeVante Smith and you're a Highsman Trophy winner, you already
Speaker 1: have putout the incredible tape. You had one of the
Speaker 1: best seasons a wide receiver has ever had in college football,
Speaker 1: and now you turn around and you expect to add
Speaker 1: to that via a week down and exhibition practices and
Speaker 1: exhibition games. Who has the most to gain out of this?
Speaker 1: Is it the opt outs? Is it the small school
Speaker 1: guys or is it guys like DeVante Smith? I think
Speaker 1: it's probably the small school guys. Or what I would
Speaker 1: say is number one for instance, like I'm looking at
Speaker 1: the DBS and if you played at a bigger school
Speaker 1: and you've played against great competition, teams are gonna have
Speaker 1: a pretty good feel for who you are because they've
Speaker 1: already seen it. But just a random name, Robert Rochelle
Speaker 1: from Central Arkansas. How about if Robert Rochelle shows up
Speaker 1: and in practice he locks up Candarius Tony from Florida,
Speaker 1: and he's able to cover Amari Rodgers out of Clemson.
Speaker 1: I think the guys are the most to gain are
Speaker 1: guys who teams aren't sure that they can do a
Speaker 1: portion of the game. You know, you've got a guy
Speaker 1: who is good man coverage, haven't seen him in zone,
Speaker 1: don't know if he can tackle, and you've seen it.
Speaker 1: You've got guys who I'm not sure about him in
Speaker 1: man coverage. Like if you can show something that scouts
Speaker 1: didn't know that you can do, that can be huge.
Speaker 1: A linebacker who you haven't seen in coverage a lot,
Speaker 1: he goes one on ones and locks up tight ends
Speaker 1: and running backs in coverage. That can help you. But
Speaker 1: I think for the most part, you're talking about guys
Speaker 1: that are trying to move themselves, like late or mid
Speaker 1: round guys who are trying to separate themselves from guys
Speaker 1: they're practicing with and against. That's what the Senior Bowls about,
Speaker 1: and that's why it's awesome for all the guys that
Speaker 1: commit to it, because what you're saying is I'm willing
Speaker 1: to compete. I'm willing to risk some draft stock because
Speaker 1: I think I'm really good and I'm gonna make money
Speaker 1: out here. Yeah, I think Jeff, Jeff's nailed it right.
Speaker 1: And you know, another name I think about is melafon
Speaker 1: Wu from Syracuse, you know. And the reason the reason
Speaker 1: I say his name is he's six three, he's two
Speaker 1: hundred and fifteen pounds. That's what we had going in.
Speaker 1: And you watch his tape and we all remember his brother, Obie,
Speaker 1: who was drafted at you know, by the Raiders out
Speaker 1: of Connecticut, who played safety. But man, you're talking about
Speaker 1: a sixty three, two hundred and fifteen pound quarterback right now,
Speaker 1: and so how is he going to match up? Are
Speaker 1: you worried when you see him live? Are you worried about? Okay,
Speaker 1: is he a long, leggy guy? Canny turned, canny break,
Speaker 1: canny adjust? You know sometimes that those tall guys you
Speaker 1: have to you lose perspective of, like, okay, is he
Speaker 1: not quick because he's tall and long, and so when
Speaker 1: you see somebody live like that, it could put your
Speaker 1: mind at ease, like, oh, I get it. He's a
Speaker 1: smart kid. He's a tough kid. But yes, he can move.
Speaker 1: That's what these practices could really could tell you. And
Speaker 1: these teams the Dolphins, Caroline. They'll do a good job
Speaker 1: of structuring their practice in order to see the drills
Speaker 1: where you'll see the movement, the change of direction, and
Speaker 1: you'll get to see him compete. So that's where the
Speaker 1: great thing about the Senior Bowl is that maybe some
Speaker 1: guys that you didn't have a really good gage on
Speaker 1: just off tape the Senior Bowl kid kind of opened
Speaker 1: your eyes to some other avenues. David. I think a
Speaker 1: guy like that from last year was a Kyle Dugger.
Speaker 1: I mean, a guy who you had good take on
Speaker 1: and you really really liked, but he had a good
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl as well, and it kind of added to
Speaker 1: that and it ended up pushing him up into the
Speaker 1: top top three rounds. I can't remember. It was Jeremy Chen,
Speaker 1: also a Senior Bowl representative last year. It's gonna say
Speaker 1: it was Jeremy Chen and Kyle Ye. So both of
Speaker 1: those guys could have been a very high I don't
Speaker 1: think Chin had as good of a Senior Bowl, but
Speaker 1: he was still somebody that was that was very nicely
Speaker 1: represented down in Mobile. But I mean it seems like
Speaker 1: every year those those guys that end up sticking out, David, Oh,
Speaker 1: I mean you know, we can heap praise on Jim
Speaker 1: Naggie through this whole thing because again, like when I
Speaker 1: started doing this, yeah, like you would occasionally you would
Speaker 1: occasionally get a good player. You know, Zach Martin and
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald were great college players, but they didn't have
Speaker 1: nearly that kind of hype coming out of school. And
Speaker 1: now you look at you know, the type of guys
Speaker 1: that they're able to get. You know, DeVante Smith's not
Speaker 1: going to participate, but even getting him to show up,
Speaker 1: you know, they've gotten Baker Mayfield to show up. So yeah,
Speaker 1: and I bring that up to say, like, if these
Speaker 1: guys invite one of these small school guys, like if
Speaker 1: a if an FCS D two or D three player
Speaker 1: is at the Senior Bowl, he's probably pretty freaking good.
Speaker 1: Ali Marpette is another one that comes to mind. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so this is yeah, like if these guys are if
Speaker 1: they're in mobile, they can play. And you know, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm past the point of being surprised when some of
Speaker 1: these guys climb up into the first few rounds of
Speaker 1: the draft. Brian, from a scouts perspective, I know pretty
Speaker 1: much the combine it's the same way, but the Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl is a it's a rounding of what you've already found, correct,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's and finding those different things and kind
Speaker 1: of like what Jeff was talking about specifically, whenever it
Speaker 1: comes to filling in the cracks of what you think
Speaker 1: about a prospect and what you might not like about
Speaker 1: a prospect, and those prospects have one final opportunity to
Speaker 1: maybe show that they can do that. But how much
Speaker 1: does it weigh, especially in a year like this where
Speaker 1: you have to deal with so many of the guys
Speaker 1: that are uncertain that we're opt outs, even that we've
Speaker 1: already talked about, but all these scouts kind of piecing
Speaker 1: this together. How much of a challenge is it from
Speaker 1: a Senior Bowl perspective in twenty one? Yeah, I know
Speaker 1: it's a big challenge, But you know we've talked about
Speaker 1: this before. Scouts can be very resilient in the way
Speaker 1: they go about you know, if you tell them within
Speaker 1: the rules, this is the interviews, this is the access,
Speaker 1: this is what you can and cannot do. You know,
Speaker 1: you'll figure out ways to evaluate. I always go back to,
Speaker 1: you know, with the Al Davis back in the days
Speaker 1: with the Raiders, Al Davis. He would take two or
Speaker 1: three guys every year from the Senior Bowl. You know,
Speaker 1: that was something that was really really big to the
Speaker 1: Raiders back in the day that you know, and there's
Speaker 1: teams to this day also put a lot of weight
Speaker 1: in what goes on in the Senior Bowl because what
Speaker 1: you're trying to figure out is, Okay, you take these
Speaker 1: players out of their element and Alie Moore pet from
Speaker 1: Hobart and you put him next to Zack Martin at
Speaker 1: a Notre Dame in his element. You know, how do
Speaker 1: these players Is the stage too big, is the opportunity
Speaker 1: too much? Or no? Do they shine? And I think
Speaker 1: you could get a lot out of the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 1: not just because the competition or the interaction, but you
Speaker 1: could see how players in various weight classes react to
Speaker 1: their surroundings. And I think it's a very good it's
Speaker 1: a good window through what this player really really is.
Speaker 1: And you know, we always say I had a bad
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. Hey, I just appreciate the fact that somebody
Speaker 1: would go to the Senior Bowl and participate. You know,
Speaker 1: we talked about that. Put it out there, throw it
Speaker 1: out there. You know, Yeah, you might be from Central Arkansas,
Speaker 1: covering a guy from Notre Dame. But you know, if
Speaker 1: you have some good reps, you know that in the mind,
Speaker 1: it's like I knew that kid could play. I knew
Speaker 1: that kid could line up and cover that guy. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it'll be It's a great week. It really really is.
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody gets hurt by it. I think
Speaker 1: there's some things that can change your opinion in a
Speaker 1: good way, but you kind of say, okay, trust your
Speaker 1: eyes on the other stuff. Maybe he had a couple
Speaker 1: of bad practices, but a good game. There's a lot
Speaker 1: you can really really gain out of this game, not
Speaker 1: like say the whole week of evaluation and then the
Speaker 1: actual game itself. Love it. There are a lot of
Speaker 1: guys out there that we're going to talk about in
Speaker 1: the third segment that you need to keep an eye on,
Speaker 1: not even just as Cowboys fans looking for the draft,
Speaker 1: but just in general, because there's a ton of talent
Speaker 1: down in Mobile and we're going to talk about it.
Speaker 1: Practices start today eleven thirty am Central Time. They go
Speaker 1: to four, so I think the NFL network is broadcasting
Speaker 1: in and we'll be watching along as well. So go
Speaker 1: ahead and follow all of us on Twitter to keep
Speaker 1: up today, but when we come back, we'll do some
Speaker 1: Twitter on the twenty. We've got some questions about the
Speaker 1: priority with the Dallas Cowboys and where does some of
Speaker 1: these players fit in dan Quinn's system on defense. We'll
Speaker 1: talk about it next when we return on the Dallas
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Speaker 1: brought us David Helman, Jeff CAVANAF, Kyle Yeoman's it's time
Speaker 1: now for some on the twenty and our Twitter on
Speaker 1: the twenty question, I don't know if we have the
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Speaker 1: it went, it went. It actually went well. The Matt
Speaker 1: Kent doing a great job. Okay, So Caleb says, while
Speaker 1: understanding that defense is the priority, are there any offensive
Speaker 1: players on Day three that could potentially surprise the Dallas Cowboys? Specifically,
Speaker 1: he wants to know at the skills positions. I'm going
Speaker 1: to defer to mister tacoa leading Jeff Kavanaugh on this one.
Speaker 1: Do you think there are any Day three guys that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys could potentially be interested in as a skills position? Um? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so. I think because you have to look
Speaker 1: at your entire roster. There's a couple of things that
Speaker 1: are going to be true here. One, if the Cowboys
Speaker 1: took a wide receiver on Day two or three, the
Speaker 1: impact that they would make immediate on the Cowboy is
Speaker 1: probably very, very little. But they also have decisions to
Speaker 1: make guys like your fourth and fifth wide receivers Devin
Speaker 1: Smith or not, I'm sorry, m Cedric Wilson and Noah Brown,
Speaker 1: Like those guys are they gonna be on the team,
Speaker 1: you know? No? So, Like, there's room on this roster
Speaker 1: for skill position players for sure, and there might be
Speaker 1: room for a guy who's one of your three top
Speaker 1: receivers going into the twenty twenty two season. Michael Gallup's
Speaker 1: going into his final year under contract, So yeah, I
Speaker 1: think for sure. And every year you're gonna have so
Speaker 1: many good wide receiver prospects that you could go into
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Speaker 1: that can be a really good NFL wide receiver. So yeah,
Speaker 1: keep your heart on a swivel. Know the names of
Speaker 1: these receivers. The Cowboys are going to have at least
Speaker 1: ten picks in this draft, depending on what they do
Speaker 1: and how these comp picks shake out. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: you can absolutely take a skill player. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: they knew the thing. Jeff sabsolutly right, and I knew
Speaker 1: Dave can address that as well. You know, you seem
Speaker 1: to have an idea of who your your top three
Speaker 1: receivers are. You know, you could always you know, depending
Speaker 1: on what you want to do with some other positions.
Speaker 1: Maybe you feel like, hey, well we gotta you know,
Speaker 1: we got to think about a possible replacement for Michael
Speaker 1: Gallup going forward. Do you want to develop a guy? Yeah,
Speaker 1: these drafts are always the one thing that we've learned
Speaker 1: over the years is the skill position seems to be
Speaker 1: one where all of a sudden you get down in
Speaker 1: the fifth round and we're on the draft, showed where
Speaker 1: work in the draft, and then someone gets taken and
Speaker 1: Jeff goes, well, that's a guy having the third round.
Speaker 1: You know, I had I had a fourth round grade
Speaker 1: on him, and all of a sudden he's taken in
Speaker 1: the fifth. So the skill positions can go pretty deep.
Speaker 1: Uh generally. I also feel like though, that's the opportunity too,
Speaker 1: and that you know in that fourth round, fifth round,
Speaker 1: you know, look for those offensive lineman two that you
Speaker 1: know where you don't want to sit there and wait
Speaker 1: till the sixth and seventh round to try and find
Speaker 1: a tackle. You know. I mean, this team has done
Speaker 1: a pretty good job, you know. Heck, they got a
Speaker 1: starter at a third round with Connor McGovern, who they
Speaker 1: had a second round grade up. So you know they're
Speaker 1: gonna work. They're gonna work this board, not just for
Speaker 1: the not for the skill, yeah, be honest, just another one,
Speaker 1: very good. Yeah, you get a starter out of that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, So I would say the middle of this
Speaker 1: draft board is going to be more about taking those
Speaker 1: offensive linemen or maybe even a defensive tackle or two.
Speaker 1: I think that's the position that I would kind of
Speaker 1: focus on if I was a Cowboy fan, I just
Speaker 1: I mean, y'all covered it very thoroughly, but I would
Speaker 1: just throw in, yeah, I mean, obviously the Cowboys needs
Speaker 1: their defense. But I mean, doesn't the conversation change once
Speaker 1: you get past like, you know, the fourth round. Basically,
Speaker 1: like the first four rounds are where you're drafting guys
Speaker 1: who you expect to make an impact immediately, and even
Speaker 1: that's not guarantee. You know, we couldn't get Reggie Robinson
Speaker 1: on the field this year. For some reason. Um, But
Speaker 1: so you know, we always say like it's it's best
Speaker 1: player available with a shade towards your needs. But the
Speaker 1: later you get in the draft, the less I care
Speaker 1: about my immediate needs. You know, the Cowboys might need
Speaker 1: a safety, but if a wide receiver that's really really
Speaker 1: good slips to the fifth or sixth round, I don't
Speaker 1: give a damn because neither one of them is probably
Speaker 1: going to contribute right away. So that's for me. That's
Speaker 1: the fun thing about Day three is you just pick
Speaker 1: the best possible player always, because these are more about
Speaker 1: long term investments anyway, which means Day three is going
Speaker 1: to be a time where all of us have watched
Speaker 1: you know, two hundred and whatever guys, and it'll be like,
Speaker 1: all right, who's your best available player, and we'll all
Speaker 1: be saying, our guy for like eighty picks in a
Speaker 1: row daily gets picked. It's where it's where I don't
Speaker 1: want to give us too much credit, but I think,
Speaker 1: you know, I guess there's way to say it without
Speaker 1: giving us a lot of credit. But like that's how
Speaker 1: Bradley and nice situations wind up. Though it is like,
Speaker 1: you know, a really good player Senior Bowl MVP. Maybe
Speaker 1: some people thought of him as their third or fourth
Speaker 1: round pick. He falls all the way down to the
Speaker 1: end of the fifth round and everybody's super excited because
Speaker 1: he was the best guy left on everybody's sheet. But
Speaker 1: he's still a late fifth round pick, and sometimes that
Speaker 1: gets lost in the shuffle a little bit. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that's also a spot where you could maybe
Speaker 1: look at a quarterback as well. I think maybe you
Speaker 1: saw it last year with Ben da Nucci really late
Speaker 1: in the draft, seventh round. You look at it and
Speaker 1: you go, oh, look at this guy out of James Madison,
Speaker 1: it's Ben da Nucci. We thought at the point it
Speaker 1: was going to be the Washington State kid and Gordon,
Speaker 1: Anthony Gordon that was also a Senior Bowl quarterback last year.
Speaker 1: We thought if they were going to go quarterback, it
Speaker 1: was probably gonna be him. Instead they went with Ben
Speaker 1: da Nucci. I think you could possibly see another situation
Speaker 1: like that again, where it's out of the ten picks
Speaker 1: that they have, one of them might be a bad
Speaker 1: quarterback sitting in the wings. If they, of course don't
Speaker 1: take a quarterback early on due to various ensuing negotiations
Speaker 1: in which we will not get into at the moment
Speaker 1: on this show. So moving on to the next question,
Speaker 1: Scott Fits on Twitter says, if the Cowboys don't select
Speaker 1: a corner at the tenth overall pick, who are some
Speaker 1: of the corners on Day two that could fit into
Speaker 1: dan Quinn's scheme specifically? And I mean, Dave that you
Speaker 1: just talked about it a little bit ago. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're drafting a Day two corner, you expect him
Speaker 1: to come in make an impact. That's what Trayvon Dix
Speaker 1: did this past year. You were hoping that same thing
Speaker 1: for a guy like Reggie Robinson didn't necessarily get that.
Speaker 1: But are there any guys that stick out to you,
Speaker 1: Brian when it comes to somebody that could potentially fit
Speaker 1: into dan Quinn's defensive scheme? Yeah? You know the thing
Speaker 1: that what I'm gathering about talking to people that Joe
Speaker 1: Witt No, dan Quinny it is really really big on
Speaker 1: the ability to have a corner that can run. That's
Speaker 1: important to him, and you know he's really big on
Speaker 1: playing like that deep space and you know he doesn't
Speaker 1: want to be exposed. Now, say what you want about
Speaker 1: Diggs and his ability to run and to cover and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, But you wouldn't say that Diggs is
Speaker 1: a really speedy guy. And so I think what you
Speaker 1: have to do is you have to keep your eye
Speaker 1: on those guys. Now, let's see what a guy like
Speaker 1: you know, Tyson Campbell from Georgia. Let's see what Eric
Speaker 1: Stokes from Georgia. You know, these are guys Josh Joe
Speaker 1: from Alabama. You know, these are guys that are all
Speaker 1: kind of in that long, kind of rangy build that
Speaker 1: they like. But how well can they run? I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a matter of like they're they're gonna
Speaker 1: be comfortable with Diggs, but whoever they draft in the
Speaker 1: second round or third round, I think it's gonna have
Speaker 1: to have length and he's gonna have to have speed.
Speaker 1: They just don't want to go in there with. You
Speaker 1: can't just sit there. And that's why if you look
Speaker 1: at why Farley would be really entertaining to them in
Speaker 1: the first round if they could get Farley, is because
Speaker 1: he is long and he can run, you know, and
Speaker 1: that's that that will be important to this secondary and
Speaker 1: that'll be important to dan Quinn and him going forward.
Speaker 1: So you know, you could throw out probably a bunch
Speaker 1: of names, but if they have length and you start
Speaker 1: to hear that they ran well and they're talked about
Speaker 1: in the second round, I would guarantee you those are
Speaker 1: guys that the Cowboys are going to target. Dan Brian
Speaker 1: kind of stole my thunder a little bit, but like
Speaker 1: if we're trying to if we're trying to keep it on,
Speaker 1: you know, if we're trying to keep it on the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, because that's what's happening this week. I'm fascinated
Speaker 1: by I Fiatu malifan Wu just again. I mean, as
Speaker 1: soon as I realized what his measurables are and by
Speaker 1: you know, you can go look the Senior Bowl tweeted
Speaker 1: out his official measurables, like he's every bit of like
Speaker 1: six two and a half to thirteen big ass wingspan,
Speaker 1: and I mean, I you know, we always fall into
Speaker 1: this trap of comparing prospects to you know, Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame caliber players, But it's hard not to think about
Speaker 1: a guy like Richard Sherman when you hear that, and
Speaker 1: that's who dan Quinn coached when this defense was at
Speaker 1: its best. So I'm curious to see how high his
Speaker 1: stock rises, because you know, we're always we in the
Speaker 1: media are always behind the actual scouting conversation. And I'm
Speaker 1: sitting here like, oh man, you know, maybe this guy's
Speaker 1: stock can can climb a little bit, whereas maybe other
Speaker 1: people think it's already up there. But I'm I'm curious
Speaker 1: to see, you know, if he if he handles himself
Speaker 1: well in these practices, I bet we'll be talking about
Speaker 1: him even more than we already are. Yeah, I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna I'm just gonna tell you guys though, Like I
Speaker 1: was earlier, though, just keep an eye on the speed.
Speaker 1: And it's it's not that they have to have this
Speaker 1: guy that's a four three guy. It's but it's important
Speaker 1: to win the secondary coach. I mean, he's going to there,
Speaker 1: They're going him and Al Harris. They're going to figure out, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: what do we have on one side with dicks and
Speaker 1: what do we need on the other side. I just
Speaker 1: don't see them having two corners that have okay speed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be about it's going to
Speaker 1: be about okay, we can we can have one. And
Speaker 1: Richard Sherman was that way. Richard was a four basically
Speaker 1: a four to five five guy coming out of Stanford.
Speaker 1: That's why it lasted to the fifth round. So you know,
Speaker 1: teams are very mindful of the speed, They're very mindful
Speaker 1: of the length. Now, I mean there's a I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what. I keep falling in love as a first
Speaker 1: round player with this JC Horn out of South Carolina.
Speaker 1: You know, I everybody talks about Farley and Certan for me,
Speaker 1: put JC Horn up there too. You know, as a
Speaker 1: guy that you would you would look at very very
Speaker 1: strongly for consideration if you were looking for those those
Speaker 1: top cornerbacks. Yeah, yeah, I think so. My biggest thing
Speaker 1: when you talk about corners and Dan Campbell and or
Speaker 1: not call, yeah, I just get some mixing up your dans. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was thinking about Dan's amazing speech. I think about
Speaker 1: it a lot. But we'll go Dan, We'll go Dan
Speaker 1: Quinn instead. One of my favorite things that I've read
Speaker 1: was something that Richard Sherman said about him a few
Speaker 1: weeks ago. And I don't remember what game he was
Speaker 1: talking about, but he was talking about how Dan Quinn
Speaker 1: came into the locker room and they were losing, and
Speaker 1: Quinn was like, all right, guys, bad news. What we're
Speaker 1: doing isn't working. So I know, you guys aren't built
Speaker 1: for this. We're playing man in the second half and
Speaker 1: they stopped him and they won the game. And so like,
Speaker 1: I can respect that coaches have things that they're looking for,
Speaker 1: but I just really hope that they don't care if
Speaker 1: he's five eleven or six three. They don't care if
Speaker 1: he runs a four three two or a four or
Speaker 1: five one. Find the players and for cron out, build
Speaker 1: your defense around the best players you can find. Don't
Speaker 1: try to make sure that well, this is what I
Speaker 1: like to do. So I've got to find a player
Speaker 1: that can do no find the best players and be
Speaker 1: an adaptive coach. That's what I want. So I just
Speaker 1: want to identify the best corners, put them all in order,
Speaker 1: and pick him in order, and then coach. Your job
Speaker 1: is to be really smart. Your coach, figure out how
Speaker 1: this is going to work, put him in position, let's go. Well,
Speaker 1: I'll say one thing, man, it's so much fun to
Speaker 1: watch these kids whose dad's play the league. I got
Speaker 1: to watch Elijah Molden play the other day. I didn't
Speaker 1: know his dad was Alex Molden, who in my last
Speaker 1: draft in Green Bay was you know, we was picked
Speaker 1: by the Saints eleventh. Overall, his kid is a good player.
Speaker 1: He's five ten. Though, Asante Samuel's kid is a good player,
Speaker 1: he's five ten. I mean, these are guys that you
Speaker 1: can legitimately watch and you and you're sitting there going, man,
Speaker 1: these are good players. And to Jeff's point, if you're not,
Speaker 1: if you're not playing the trades game, those kids should
Speaker 1: be absolutely considered. With all these other corners that are
Speaker 1: going to be drafted, I mean, they're they're all good players.
Speaker 1: But you know, there's some teams that get measurable conscious
Speaker 1: and I do worry a little bit about with the
Speaker 1: Cowboys with what's going on from what I'm hearing about
Speaker 1: Wit and the type of corner that he likes, you know,
Speaker 1: it might be a little bit of a focus on Okay,
Speaker 1: we got this type of corner on one side, I
Speaker 1: need this type of corner on the other. Now, do
Speaker 1: you think the other side would be fitting for a
Speaker 1: guy like a Caleb Farley? I mean, we're talking about
Speaker 1: these five ten guys. Caleb Farley is not that absolutely
Speaker 1: two hundred pounds. I mean, he is every bit of
Speaker 1: the measurables you want in a corner. Do you think
Speaker 1: he could potentially be there because our next twitter on
Speaker 1: the twenty question is bender bending. He asked, is Kayleb
Speaker 1: Farley elite compared to the rest of the cornerback position
Speaker 1: in the past? Or is he just elite with this
Speaker 1: year's group because he's starting at least this guy tweeting
Speaker 1: said that he is not liking he's starting to not
Speaker 1: like the possibility of taking a corner at ten. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not gonna call him elite. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: call him the best of the class. You know, we've
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's funny how we were. We go
Speaker 1: through these cornerbacks and you know, the kid that was
Speaker 1: taken in Detroit last year, you know, and you know,
Speaker 1: he he gets banged up and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you're you know, you're sitting there trying to kind of
Speaker 1: figure some things out, and you know, but I'm looking
Speaker 1: at I'm looking at Farley. I'm seeing a good player
Speaker 1: that there's there's a side of me that when we
Speaker 1: were picking at four, I was nervous about taking him
Speaker 1: or Certan or one of those guys. Picking him at ten, yeah,
Speaker 1: a little bit better feeling there picking him at twelve,
Speaker 1: a really good feeling right there, you know. But if
Speaker 1: you're going to take the best corner in this draft
Speaker 1: and try and project him to be an outstanding player,
Speaker 1: Farley gives you that best chance. In my opinion, he does.
Speaker 1: But when you start comparing him to corners and other drafts,
Speaker 1: I don't think he would be necessarily the top corner
Speaker 1: in the last safe four or five drafts that I've
Speaker 1: worked on. I think that's perfectly put honestly, Brian, And
Speaker 1: I mean, there have been other great corners to come
Speaker 1: out in that time, but probably because of my obvious connection.
Speaker 1: Like when you're talking about like a surefire slam dunk,
Speaker 1: like elite cornerback, and I hate that word, but it
Speaker 1: is what it is. I always I go back to
Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson, just like a guy that you're like, he
Speaker 1: can do everything. He's a slam dunk, He's gonna be
Speaker 1: a pro bowler as a rookie. You can't miss um,
Speaker 1: That's what and that's exactly what Peterson was. And those
Speaker 1: guys just they aren't there every year. And I don't
Speaker 1: think any cornerback in this class is that guy. I'm
Speaker 1: with you. I started to get real nervous about picking
Speaker 1: in the top five if if they were going to
Speaker 1: pick a cornerback, because I'm not sure. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: either of these guys is worth it. Butt down at
Speaker 1: ten doesn't bother me. Patrick's or ten doesn't bother me.
Speaker 1: At ten, Caleb Farley's fine. It scares me that you know,
Speaker 1: he'll have gone a long long time without live reps
Speaker 1: by the time they draft him. But you know, I
Speaker 1: liked what I've seen from his twenty nineteen tape enough
Speaker 1: that I'm comfortable taking that risk, especially again, you're down
Speaker 1: the board a little bit at least, you know, at
Speaker 1: least the little ways from where we thought they might be.
Speaker 1: And and yeah, I mean I would say I feel
Speaker 1: I'm comfortable with him orser Tan saying that they're the
Speaker 1: best in the class. I don't have a strong opinion
Speaker 1: about it either way, but I feel a lot better
Speaker 1: about it at ten than I would have higher up,
Speaker 1: for sure. Look, let me ask you guys a question,
Speaker 1: would you, with Detroit having a new general management head coach,
Speaker 1: would you send the tenth overall pick for jeff Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Akuta to Detroit? Knew it was always better new, It
Speaker 1: is always better. Give me the cheap guy that I
Speaker 1: don't like. What am I giving up for Jeff Okuda?
Speaker 1: You're giving up the tenth overall pick you're going to get.
Speaker 1: You're going to get a corner that we all thought
Speaker 1: was a top better three player last year. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's only a year removed from the from the game,
Speaker 1: from from from the Drive. You're given a tenth overall
Speaker 1: pickoff to make sure you go get one of the
Speaker 1: best quarters. You go get a corner that you thought
Speaker 1: was elite. I think I wouldn't have a great rookie year.
Speaker 1: Even after he didn't have a great rookie year, I
Speaker 1: would still do it. I think I would still do it.
Speaker 1: The other thing is I'm such a cheap skate, like
Speaker 1: years of cheap labor mean everything to me. I want that.
Speaker 1: I want all of the team control I can get.
Speaker 1: And Jeffrecuda is already a year toward needing a contract
Speaker 1: extension and if he makes more, Yeah, but you also
Speaker 1: got it. You also, yeah, you do have him on
Speaker 1: the fifth year option though two you can use. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you got tenth overall pick on that option. Yeah, let
Speaker 1: me go ahead it. But you're talking about potentially picking
Speaker 1: a corner that you're not in love. Well, Dave sounds
Speaker 1: like he's in love with Farley. I'm not in love.
Speaker 1: I'm not in love. I feel I feel just right
Speaker 1: like I feel like if you tell me that, if
Speaker 1: you tell me that, are you guys scared? You guys
Speaker 1: are scared because of Whoda didn't have a great rookie
Speaker 1: year because he was hurt? Is that what you're telling me?
Speaker 1: A bad rookie? Yeah, in a bad rookie year? What's
Speaker 1: wrong with that? Are you guys telling me that Akuda
Speaker 1: is not a better player than Caleb Farley or Patrick
Speaker 1: Sir Tam tell months ago, I thought it was for
Speaker 1: sure he was a better college player. So you're seeing
Speaker 1: you're wrong right now? Then about him, you're seeing you
Speaker 1: guys were wrong about it, right, We're wrong on so
Speaker 1: many players. It's the way I'm just I'm just asking here.
Speaker 1: I'm just we're tall about the question was about a
Speaker 1: league corners? No, guys, we question yeah, because because I
Speaker 1: think if you were to PLoP these corners. I love
Speaker 1: the word PLoP. By the way, you're to PLoP these
Speaker 1: corners in the last year's draft class, I think to me,
Speaker 1: Sir Tam Farley Horn they're all right there battling with C. J.
Speaker 1: Henderson for the right to be picked. In my world somewhere,
Speaker 1: I think I think Henderson went him go on like nine.
Speaker 1: But in Jacksonville. Okay, See, in my world, all those
Speaker 1: guys should be battling to be picked somewhere in the teams.
Speaker 1: And that's that's just kind of the level corner. And
Speaker 1: I you're right, no doubt. Jeff Okuda to me was
Speaker 1: awesome prospect. Um. I'd have to really go watch and
Speaker 1: watch what happened in Detroit, And I think part of
Speaker 1: it was probably that he was told, hey, you're a
Speaker 1: top five pick, welcome to covering the best receivers in
Speaker 1: the league one on one, and they play a bunch
Speaker 1: of man in Detroit, and so it's probably just really
Speaker 1: really hard. Um, So I think it's a great question.
Speaker 1: I just have to go back and watch him, because yes,
Speaker 1: I thought he was a better prospect than any of
Speaker 1: these corners. Okay, if Jeff Okuda was there at ten,
Speaker 1: we'd be doing backflips, yeah for sure. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean we could say that every year, you could say
Speaker 1: that every day. I was actually just I'm just talking
Speaker 1: about I'm just talking about corners and where where like
Speaker 1: Farley in Certain and those guys, and I think I
Speaker 1: think you guys have got him right. All right, how
Speaker 1: about this? I like? Uh, I think I like Farley
Speaker 1: and Certain more than I liked C. J. Henderson. Am
Speaker 1: I crazy for thinking that no interchangeable that I was? Yeah, huh,
Speaker 1: that's it. I don't know. I mean, if you see
Speaker 1: I think that it would be. I would have to
Speaker 1: figure out the order. I think Henderson would go right
Speaker 1: in there with Farley, Sir tam Horn, unless you've draft
Speaker 1: Brian Obviously, if you nail it, If you nail the
Speaker 1: pick and the guy's a stud from day one, it's different.
Speaker 1: But otherwise, draft picks are like cars, Like the minute
Speaker 1: you drive them off the lot, they start losing value.
Speaker 1: So like I've always rather hang on to the shiny,
Speaker 1: the shiny new pick with no mileage than the one
Speaker 1: that like, oh, like it still runs great and it
Speaker 1: could it could still be a great car, but like
Speaker 1: it's already got five thousand miles on it and it's
Speaker 1: a little bit dinged up. Like I'll take my chances
Speaker 1: with the new one. So uh, just for just for reference, everybody,
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Speaker 1: went through a lot of the guys on the offensive
Speaker 1: side of the football. And of course we're very defensive
Speaker 1: heavy this year via the Draft pro Sys for good
Speaker 1: reason because the Cowboys obviously need a ton of defense.
Speaker 1: But guys, whatever, you look at the list of Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl talent, and Jeff will start with you on this one.
Speaker 1: Which level of the defense has the deepest amount of talent?
Speaker 1: Are we gonna go with the defensive line, linebackers, secondary.
Speaker 1: If you had to pick one of the three units
Speaker 1: that's deepest down in Mobile this week, which one would
Speaker 1: it be? Oh, that is a cheater question. I really
Speaker 1: like them all, So I'm just gonna pick the one
Speaker 1: that I want to talk about the most. There's a
Speaker 1: couple of guys we haven't talked about a lot on
Speaker 1: the draft. I like it the American team at the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. I really like the secondary group there because
Speaker 1: they got a bunch of dudes that I'm a big
Speaker 1: fan of. We've talked about some of them. Tyree Gillespie,
Speaker 1: the Missouri free safety. I think he's a fun potential,
Speaker 1: say third round pick. The Florida State safety Humpsa and
Speaker 1: the Cyril Deans, and boy, he is a monster. So
Speaker 1: if you wanted to say, hey, I'm gonna move him
Speaker 1: to a weak side linebacker and we're gonna party, I
Speaker 1: would say, let's get it. I'm right there with you. Yesterday, Jeff,
Speaker 1: I watched him yesterday, and this is a guy who
Speaker 1: had a torn ACL missed all but two games in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, and then he comes back and plays inc
Speaker 1: State and just tears them up. And then he goes
Speaker 1: against Duke. It plays even better in his second game
Speaker 1: against Duke. I really liked him overall. As Jeff's cambridge
Speaker 1: just falls down off of a snow globe, but I
Speaker 1: really liked Missera Deane and what he brought to the
Speaker 1: table out of Florida State. Am I still alive? Yes,
Speaker 1: you're there. We got you. Hey, guys. Yeah. Now I
Speaker 1: want to talk about my Central Florida dudes, because my
Speaker 1: Central Florida dudes are dogs. Okay. Central Florida's got a
Speaker 1: free safety named Richie Grant, And if you have not
Speaker 1: seen Richie Grant, I would advise you to see Richie
Speaker 1: Grant because he is now in my top three safeties
Speaker 1: in this draft class. Richie Grant is a real life
Speaker 1: free safety that can get sideline to sideline and when
Speaker 1: a running back breaks free right up the middle, Richie
Speaker 1: Grant has zero fear about the collision that's about to
Speaker 1: take place, and he wants to be part of it.
Speaker 1: I like Richie Grant a lot. They also have a
Speaker 1: corner named Aaron Robinson at Central Florida. He plays the
Speaker 1: slot for them. He's not the best cover corner in
Speaker 1: terms of you're blanketed all the time, but if guys
Speaker 1: start pulling away from him, you get to see speed,
Speaker 1: and you see tenaciousness and you see a dude that tackles.
Speaker 1: So Central Florida they got dudes for you in the secondary,
Speaker 1: and those are all guys that if I'm a Cowboy fan,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at and I'm saying, all right, talk to
Speaker 1: me about what we're gonna do in rounds two and three,
Speaker 1: because I think there's a lot of really fun secondary
Speaker 1: players that I would love to see added to this team. Brian,
Speaker 1: you really liked Richie Grant as well out of Central Florida. Correct. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Jeff's absolutely right about him. I think that. And even
Speaker 1: late last night when I was studying him, it was
Speaker 1: one of those things people ask me, where would you
Speaker 1: play him? I said, you can play him for back,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. There's tape of him playing in the
Speaker 1: middle of the UCF logo ball going all the way
Speaker 1: to the outside against Tulsa and he's running I mean dead,
Speaker 1: sprint covering and gets in position I mean the ball
Speaker 1: and even is like I haven't been thrown and he's moving.
Speaker 1: He read it that fast, and you know, I just
Speaker 1: liked the guy's toughness. He's a physical tackler, sometimes a
Speaker 1: blockdown tackler, but he will throw his body around. The
Speaker 1: one thing you notice is when he huddles up, his
Speaker 1: uniform is dirtier than everyone else's uniform, and that tells
Speaker 1: me a lot about the kid. You know, there's everybody
Speaker 1: else's uniform looks nice and clean. His is completely a
Speaker 1: mess and that tells me a lot. And so I
Speaker 1: am a big fan. I think I think he's a
Speaker 1: true free safety. But I also think, like, if you
Speaker 1: want to put him down in the box and let
Speaker 1: him tackle and let him take on runners and toss
Speaker 1: sweeps and stuff like that, that's son of again, will
Speaker 1: Phil and make a play for you, really really good
Speaker 1: football player. Date. Okay, I'm glad. I'm glad y'all didn't.
Speaker 1: I'm glad y'all didn't take mine because I act like
Speaker 1: I wrote a I wrote a preview piece for Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com yesterday and just sort of diving into
Speaker 1: who all is actually down there and who's actually going
Speaker 1: to participate. And I'm excited about these linebackers. Yeah look, okay,
Speaker 1: I mean there's about there's about six of them that
Speaker 1: piqued my interest. So we know, Baron Browning, he played
Speaker 1: great in the playoffs. It's good for him. Chaz Serot,
Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks last week on our show talked about him
Speaker 1: a lot Carolina. I think he had six sacks for
Speaker 1: Carolina this year, which is very intriguing to me. See
Speaker 1: what a guy like Devin White can do in Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay's defense when you let him blitz and then on
Speaker 1: the other team obviously, you know, we talked about our
Speaker 1: guy Jabril Cox last week as well. Uh, maybe the
Speaker 1: only good thing about La Shoes defense this year. And
Speaker 1: a name that I'm really interested in that I want
Speaker 1: to know more about is kJ Britt out of Auburn
Speaker 1: All SI's first team All SEC last year ten tackles
Speaker 1: for loss as a junior when we played in two
Speaker 1: games this year, he had to have surgery on his
Speaker 1: thumb in October. So this is the first live action
Speaker 1: he's gonna see in you know, three months. And he
Speaker 1: checked in today at what six flat two thirty nine.
Speaker 1: And the other reason this is exciting to me is,
Speaker 1: you know, again like I'm curious to see what that
Speaker 1: means for like the type of linebacker that dan Quinn
Speaker 1: might want, because all I can think about with him
Speaker 1: is he drafted Dion Jones, who turned you know, undersized
Speaker 1: linebacker who turned into a great player. He did it
Speaker 1: again with Duke Ridley, who never really hit that potential.
Speaker 1: But again, like you can, oh, thank you wow. Even
Speaker 1: went to LSU and I screwed up his name thank you, Jeff.
Speaker 1: But like the archetype is what interests me. Like Dan
Speaker 1: Quinn is not afraid draft shorter, smaller, faster linebackers. And
Speaker 1: there's a few of those guys in Mobile. I just
Speaker 1: listed off a few of them. But Sarat is really
Speaker 1: interesting to me. Britt is really interesting to me just
Speaker 1: because he's coming off of this injury. So and none
Speaker 1: of these guys are like, you know, first round targets
Speaker 1: by the way, So these are all guys that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys could maybe fined on like day two, and that's
Speaker 1: really exciting to me. So that's yeah, I like that
Speaker 1: a lot. Hey, Kyle, And there's another group you need
Speaker 1: to kind of keep an eye on, and maybe not
Speaker 1: so much for cowboys sake, but you know, just are
Speaker 1: you gonna have to sort out what's going on with
Speaker 1: Jordan Smith from Alabama Birmingham as a potential defensive end linebacker.
Speaker 1: Rashod Weaver's another one from Pitt that is kind of
Speaker 1: that six four two or sixty five pound guy. You know,
Speaker 1: there's some good defensive ends in this thing that that
Speaker 1: people are gonna have to say, Okay, is he a
Speaker 1: linebacker or is he an end? That's the great thing
Speaker 1: about the Senior Bowl because these coaches will play these
Speaker 1: guys with a couple of different spots and you can
Speaker 1: kind of get a gauge of really how they fit
Speaker 1: best for your scheme, whether you're an odd scheme or
Speaker 1: an even scheme, you know, with a four three or
Speaker 1: three four. I've got I got one more tube And Brian,
Speaker 1: it kind of touches on that you. You have talked
Speaker 1: on our show already about levionez Errik, right, I have.
Speaker 1: He's one of my He's one of my favorite players.
Speaker 1: So yeah, shame on me. I'm behind you. Obviously I
Speaker 1: didn't realize he was an opt out. Yeah, I didn't
Speaker 1: realize that he didn't play in twenty twenty, and so
Speaker 1: he's down there, he's gonna compete, and like, I wish
Speaker 1: we got to see more of that, is I wish
Speaker 1: more of these optout guys were doing stuff like this.
Speaker 1: So you know it's not our Michigan's got a couple
Speaker 1: of guys Andy Thomas and Nico Collins. There's some opt
Speaker 1: out guys that are going down there and getting in
Speaker 1: the action. It's very exciting to me that a guy,
Speaker 1: you know, because the thing about optouts is you're scared
Speaker 1: of about not knowing what they look like after a
Speaker 1: year away. Well, if you've got these three practices of
Speaker 1: Levi going against badasses, that makes me feel a hell
Speaker 1: of a lot better about drafting him. So, yeah, this guy, David,
Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned it because he is my ideal undertackle.
Speaker 1: You know that three technique guy plays in the outside
Speaker 1: shoulder of the guard. I mean, he is this guy.
Speaker 1: He can make some things happen at the point of attack.
Speaker 1: When you watch him, he's super active. He does a
Speaker 1: nice job of finding the ball, he gets over, he
Speaker 1: finishes plays. I mean, Washington's got a couple of guys
Speaker 1: like I mentioned, I mentioned Molden. They've got a guy
Speaker 1: try on the defensive end, number nine. Uh. That's uh,
Speaker 1: that's a that's a good player for them. Uh Levi here,
Speaker 1: I mean they got down. Yeah, I haven't. I haven't
Speaker 1: watched him yet, but it wasn't a yeah. If you've
Speaker 1: got if you've got some access to the University of
Speaker 1: Washington tape, whether this year or in twenty nineteen, man,
Speaker 1: you can make some really good use of it. Owns
Speaker 1: a rique by the way, and David and I talked
Speaker 1: about this earlier. If there were to be a Dallas Day,
Speaker 1: which I don't know if that's even gonna happen because
Speaker 1: of COVID nineteen and whatnot. Later in the draft process,
Speaker 1: I believe the rules are that no team can have
Speaker 1: any player at their facility at all ever leading up
Speaker 1: to the draft. Okay, well there you go, So no
Speaker 1: Dallas Day, never mind. I was gonna say, he's right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's from Allen Allen High School. He was a former
Speaker 1: Alan Eagle, so he's down the road. He would have
Speaker 1: been at least in that discussion, but not this year
Speaker 1: because of COVID nineteen. He needs to be in the
Speaker 1: discussion of defensive tackles. You're going to drop agree that
Speaker 1: he needs to be in this dus. Yeah, I'm all
Speaker 1: on that train. That would be awesome if you take
Speaker 1: him in the second or the third round. I don't
Speaker 1: know if he makes it to the third, but you
Speaker 1: take him in the second at forty four, I think
Speaker 1: I think he's a second round player. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: your second round. Yeah. This happens to me every single year,
Speaker 1: so I'm not surprised at all by this point. But
Speaker 1: you know, you look at your options at ten. You're like, okay,
Speaker 1: like you know Farley cer ten, those are good players.
Speaker 1: That's kind of that, that would be fine. But I
Speaker 1: started getting really excited when you start pitching me on
Speaker 1: who could be available in the second round. I'm like,
Speaker 1: holy crap, that guy might be there. Like there's been
Speaker 1: about eight of those guys where I'm like, like, own
Speaker 1: z Arique is a great example. Like you're telling me
Speaker 1: I could get him at forty four. That's way more
Speaker 1: exciting to me than the options at ten. I just
Speaker 1: that happens every year. Though, let's take him at ten.
Speaker 1: Guys cannot here you go? Can I bring up one
Speaker 1: more guy? We talked about guys that can maybe help
Speaker 1: himself and I don't know if you guys will agree
Speaker 1: on this player, but it's on the offensive side of
Speaker 1: the ball. Alex Leatherwood from Alabama. Yeah, yes, And I
Speaker 1: want to I want to say Alex Leatherwood like going
Speaker 1: back to Alabama. I can understand it because of way
Speaker 1: the draft fell last year, but I want to see
Speaker 1: if Alex Leatherwood is in that mix of the guys
Speaker 1: this year. The top guys. So these tackles we've talked
Speaker 1: about with Slater and Seul, you know, and the and
Speaker 1: the derreshaf Or Dershaw from Virginia Tech. I want to
Speaker 1: see where Alex Leatherwood comes out of that, and again
Speaker 1: from Alabama. Keep an eye on him the type of
Speaker 1: week he has him and h and Deontay Brown, his
Speaker 1: running buddy from Alabama is there as well, being just
Speaker 1: a massive guy. So two guys that if you're looking
Speaker 1: for offensive lineman one tackle, one guard and kind of
Speaker 1: play that. I'm really excited about seeing Creed Humphrey too
Speaker 1: from Oklahoma the center. So yeah, so just kind of
Speaker 1: keep an eye on some of these offensive lineman two
Speaker 1: and see where they're gonna fall in the mix when
Speaker 1: we get to start stacking these boards. Isn't that fun
Speaker 1: about the Senior Bowl because we can start it talking
Speaker 1: about guys from Grambling State and Northern Iowa and how
Speaker 1: we're excited to see that, and then at the end
Speaker 1: you're talking about Creed Humphrey from Oklahoma and Alex Leatherwood
Speaker 1: from Alabama, and you get to talk about the big
Speaker 1: school guys and the small school guys they combine. You
Speaker 1: get to have all kind of that that competition and
Speaker 1: getting in the thick of things and I love that
Speaker 1: about the Senior Bowl. It's always been one of my
Speaker 1: favorite events, and I think that continues even in a
Speaker 1: year like this, and I'm so glad that they will
Speaker 1: have it. We'll have plenty of updates throughout the week
Speaker 1: from the Senior Bowl, even though we are not there
Speaker 1: in Mobile. We'll be back on Thursday ten am. Jeff
Speaker 1: might be on that show should we not be able
Speaker 1: to get Bucky Brooks back on for a Thursday. But
Speaker 1: for today that's just because he didn't getting show him.
Speaker 1: Now I get kicked off my show. Yeah, we'll see. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's how we're rotating cast works. Bucky doesn't come back,
Speaker 1: I'll volunteer. It'll be fine, Jess said about it. But
Speaker 1: for Matt Kent in the back for Jeff Cavanaugh, Bryan
Speaker 1: brought us is David Elman up, Kyle Youelman's thanks for listening.
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