WEBVTT - Part Two: How Lawrence of Arabia Invented Modern War

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<v Speaker 1>Also media, what's murdering my everyone's I'm Robert Evans, and

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<v Speaker 1>right now I'm thinking about murdering everyone because yesterday I

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<v Speaker 1>got stuck in traffic for Sophie six minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>I d have a giant truck. You shouldn't have to

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<v Speaker 2>get stuck in traffic.

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<v Speaker 1>That's exactly what I thought. But every time you drive

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<v Speaker 1>it over other people, suddenly there's all sorts of crimes

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<v Speaker 1>that are being committed, you know, uh huh, well by

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<v Speaker 1>the people interest. I did have a lady back into

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<v Speaker 1>me yesterday and hit my front end, but like it

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<v Speaker 1>did no damage to Oh my god, I felt so bad.

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<v Speaker 1>She was like sobbing, and I was like, look, ma'am,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to call the cops. Like your back

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<v Speaker 1>bumper is a little cracked, but like, if you don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to report this to insurance, I don't give a fuck.

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<v Speaker 2>Also because the insurance will take her side if she

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<v Speaker 2>decided it was your fault. There's even though she backed

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<v Speaker 2>into you.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, I don't think there was much of

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<v Speaker 1>a chance of that. Like I was twenty feet back.

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<v Speaker 1>She just pulled straight out of a parking space. Like

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<v Speaker 1>I saw her backing up. I gave her room. She

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<v Speaker 1>just she just just straight into me like it was like, what, lady,

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<v Speaker 1>you had a lot of chances to recognize that you

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<v Speaker 1>were making a mistake here, but I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 1>see somebody cry like I'm not gonna One of my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite things is whenever you see someone get upset because

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<v Speaker 1>they've hit you, and you get to be like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not calling calling anybody over this. Oh it's such

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<v Speaker 1>a good feeling.

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<v Speaker 2>But one time someone rear ended me and I was like, look,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not calling everyone over like a twenty dollars centsor

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<v Speaker 2>in the back of my terrible car. And then the

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<v Speaker 2>kid it was a teenager. Her mom wrote me and

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<v Speaker 2>was like, great, can I get you to sign something

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<v Speaker 2>saying that you will not like sue or ask for

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<v Speaker 2>money later? And I was like no, if there's paperwork involved,

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<v Speaker 2>it goes O.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a real different situation, ma'am.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you want some more it's coming from insurance company.

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<v Speaker 3>Why is everybody so unchill late? Just calm down.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone's lost their mind. You know who didn't lose their mind?

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<v Speaker 1>Unlike in the future when you are all listening to this.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I think America is about to be really chill

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<v Speaker 1>started next week. We are we are electing a new

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<v Speaker 1>president who, instead of Kamala or Trump, I think is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a being of pure light who is

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<v Speaker 1>incapable of sin.

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<v Speaker 4>So and I'm sure, I'm sure, I'm sure in like

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<v Speaker 4>two years we will have murdered them, because a being

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<v Speaker 4>of pure light will not get very far as a

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<v Speaker 4>precedent in this country.

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<v Speaker 2>We all get to wear those hats that say, be

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<v Speaker 2>thou not afraid.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh no, that part's going to be great. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the new maga. Is be thou not afraid?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you a Magan? No, I'm button. Yeah. Anyway, let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk about Lawrence of Arabia. All t e.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, but Edward and Lawrence of Arabia. Is he particularly religious?

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<v Speaker 1>Not as an adult, as a kid, he is as

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<v Speaker 1>an adult, he's just kind of like vaguely spiritual, but

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<v Speaker 1>not like particularly religious. I think he's just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>too much of a thinker to be particularly devout.

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<v Speaker 2>And it makes the good sense when you're traveling around

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<v Speaker 2>in a part of the world that has a different

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<v Speaker 2>religion than what you were raised in.

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<v Speaker 1>He very clearly is not someone who's like, well, all

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<v Speaker 1>these people are going to hell, right, he does not

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<v Speaker 1>believe that at all. Yeah. Through Dome and his experience

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<v Speaker 1>traveling the Arab and Kurdish regions of the world, Lawrence

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<v Speaker 1>began to develop an understanding of the brutality of the

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<v Speaker 1>Ottoman Empire as well as it's incompetence.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>During the years leading up to the Big Dub Dub Uno,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a general that's World War one for all

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<v Speaker 1>of you people who hate me every time I do

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<v Speaker 1>this bit. There was a general sense among Arabs that

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<v Speaker 1>the Turks were at least their best bet at protection

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<v Speaker 1>from Western imperialism, right, that like, well, we don't really

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<v Speaker 1>like being ruled by the Ottomans, but we see what

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<v Speaker 1>you Westerners are doing to the rest of the world,

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<v Speaker 1>and we don't want that either. At Least these people

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<v Speaker 1>are Muslim, Right. The British had occupied Egypt in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty two and had fought a very bloody war there

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<v Speaker 1>against an enemy who was seen in the West not

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<v Speaker 1>dissimilarly from how Isis was depicted in the twenty first century.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's a lot of anger towards the West. In

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen oh eight, just before Lawrence began his explorations, the

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<v Speaker 1>Young Turks had taken the reins of the Ottoman government.

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<v Speaker 1>They'd turned the Caliph into a figurehead and ignited a

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<v Speaker 1>period of conflict over who would rule the dying empire.

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<v Speaker 1>The Young Turks were comparatively secular, they were Western aligned,

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<v Speaker 1>and this amped up the internal imperialism in the Ottoman

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<v Speaker 1>Empire substantially, because that is not how most of the

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<v Speaker 1>people in these like Arab and Kurdish and other regions

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<v Speaker 1>of the Empire really are. The Young Turks created the

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<v Speaker 1>Committee of Union and Progress to try and spread some

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<v Speaker 1>of their sexy new ideas among the people they ruled.

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<v Speaker 1>And the most significant idea they wanted to push was

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<v Speaker 1>called pan Turanism. And this is key to understanding Tayaprassip

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<v Speaker 1>Erdowin and the current Turkish government. It's genocide against the

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<v Speaker 1>Kurds in Syria and against in southern Turkey. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a very pan Turanism is a very important imperialist concept.

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<v Speaker 2>This is that runs all the way up to like Finland.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah it's yeah, well, let's let me just explain it.

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<v Speaker 1>Go ahead. This is the Turkic version of the Pan

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<v Speaker 1>Germanic racial theories that would spread after World War One.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Kave Faroch, an expert on ancient Iran, describes Pan

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<v Speaker 1>Turanism as an ideology that aims at creating a Turkic

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<v Speaker 1>super state stretching from the Balkans in Europe eastwards across Turkey, Iran,

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<v Speaker 1>the Caucasus, Central Asia up to and including northwest China.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you will recognize, if you know much about the world,

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<v Speaker 1>that most of those areas are not Turkish. Yeah, Iran

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<v Speaker 1>not Turkish, Northwest China very much not Turkish. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>Central Asia not really Turkish, the Balkans not Turkish. Turkish

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<v Speaker 1>influence in some of those places, of course, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>go to Sarajevo, you'll see that, but not Turks. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this very much a historical belief is justified by the

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<v Speaker 1>claim that all the real indigenous peoples of those regions

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<v Speaker 1>speak Turkish, or at least in their natural state spoke Turkish,

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<v Speaker 1>and thus should belong to the same state. Quote. Hungarian

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<v Speaker 1>Pan turanianist activists even go further. They have proposed that

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<v Speaker 1>the entire Eurasian land mass between Hungary and Norway and

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<v Speaker 1>Europe to Japan and Korea was once an empire known

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<v Speaker 1>as Turania. Apart from non scholastic websites, no linguist and

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<v Speaker 1>no linguistic anthropological and archaeological evidence for such an empire exists.

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<v Speaker 1>Pan Tirranean racialists and historians would beg to differ. They

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<v Speaker 1>are impervious to logical explanations even in the face of

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<v Speaker 1>heart evidence. I love this shit. Everything was Turks. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>in the un shit past, it was all Turks all

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<v Speaker 1>the way down. I just love that shit. What a

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<v Speaker 1>batshit Like, No, everything wasn't Turkish. I'm sorry it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 1>That's like everything was fucking It's like the Germans being like,

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<v Speaker 1>are you know, like the root of our the Aryan

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<v Speaker 1>race is these guys living in Nepal, you know, uh

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<v Speaker 1>and and and also the same as like our dreams

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<v Speaker 1>of you know, rebreeding this like Aryan perfect race. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>they are Aryans in Nepal, but that's not what Aryan means,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. So this belief forms the core of a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of current fascist theory in Turkey and underpins, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>the genocidal acts of the Turkish state towards Kurdish rebels

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<v Speaker 1>in the south and across the border in Rajava. Now

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<v Speaker 1>all this a lot less settled in Lawrence's day it's

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of gearing up. But he is watching the

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<v Speaker 1>early stages of this thing that's going to end in genocide,

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<v Speaker 1>and he recognizes this has a bad end, right, anything

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<v Speaker 1>anything like this is going to not end well. And

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<v Speaker 1>as the Young Turks, one of the ways in which

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<v Speaker 1>they push these pan Tyrannian ideas is by disseminating anti

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<v Speaker 1>Arab propaganda. They are arguing at this point in time

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<v Speaker 1>that like, instead of you know, Arabs existing in all

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<v Speaker 1>these regions, like all of them, all of these different

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<v Speaker 1>peoples are descendants of like Genghis Khan, who is the

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<v Speaker 1>progenitor of the nation. This kisses people off, and there

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<v Speaker 1>are counter revolutions starting in nineteen oh nine, the year

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<v Speaker 1>before Lorenz goes on his first dig. Now that revolution

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<v Speaker 1>had been sparked by army officers and angry students at

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<v Speaker 1>a religious school, but the crackdown afterwards bred hatred among

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<v Speaker 1>locals of Armenian Christians who they saw as supporting the

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<v Speaker 1>hated Young Turk government. Thirty thousand of these Christians were

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<v Speaker 1>butchered and massacres that would prove an ugly prelude to

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<v Speaker 1>the looming genocide. Lawrence arrived in the wake of all

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<v Speaker 1>this chaos, and while he was living in Ottoman territory

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eleven, Italy invaded and conquered Libya. All of

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<v Speaker 1>this provoked a surge in Arab nationalism, which we should

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<v Speaker 1>rightly see as not disconnected from the swells of nationalism

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<v Speaker 1>across the Austro Hungarian Empire and elsewhere in Europe. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a direct line between this Arab revolt that's going to

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<v Speaker 1>brew and like Serbian nationalism, right these are all part

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<v Speaker 1>of like a broader cultural movement around the world. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>there are two different but not entirely contradictory explanations for

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<v Speaker 1>what motivated Lawrence ultimately to support an Arab uprising against

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<v Speaker 1>the Ottomans. The most sympathetic reason and the one that

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<v Speaker 1>paints him in the best light, is related to his

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<v Speaker 1>relationship with Dome, Lawrence's friend later in life. I. M.

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<v Speaker 1>Forster argues that Lawrence was intimate and passionately devoted to Doome,

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<v Speaker 1>although they never consummated the relationship, and given lawrence dide

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<v Speaker 1>of virgin he likely had no idea to do so.

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<v Speaker 1>Satine Who's Satin, whose biography of young Lawrence gives the

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<v Speaker 1>best texture on the Man's Life describes the relationship as

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<v Speaker 1>something intense but fundamentally unknowable to people reading today. However,

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<v Speaker 1>he cites with clear textual evidence that, however we define

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<v Speaker 1>this relationship, it inspired Lawrence's actions during World War One.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen nineteen, Lawrence admitted in a letter to a

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<v Speaker 1>friend that he had joined the Arab revolt because I

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<v Speaker 1>liked a particular Arab very much, and I thought that

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<v Speaker 1>freedom for the race would be an acceptable present. And

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<v Speaker 1>that is both profoundly orientalist and also so romantic. I know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to free your people because like I like you,

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<v Speaker 1>Like that's such a not even romantic. That's so because

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<v Speaker 1>like I don't think this was a romantic relationship. That's

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<v Speaker 1>so sweet.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, one is like I also love Okay. It reminds

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<v Speaker 2>me a little bit about how okay, so Sam and

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<v Speaker 2>frodok because I have to bring one of the rings

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<v Speaker 2>into this somehow. I don't have a relationship that when

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<v Speaker 2>Tolkien talks about like Tlkien talks about it, and it's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the relationship between brothers in arms and war, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And it's the kind of relationship that now that like

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<v Speaker 2>heterosexuality and homosexuality are much more like defined doesn't translate

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<v Speaker 2>to anything, Like the modern world has no way of

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<v Speaker 2>understanding this relationship you're describing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's just.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting because romantic is probably the closest word. But there's

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<v Speaker 2>his connotations that aren't meant.

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<v Speaker 1>That aren't meant, and that like make this seem like,

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<v Speaker 1>for one thing is something like much more problematic than

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was, right and man, it is just

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<v Speaker 1>like yeah the whole Like, I like this guy so much,

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<v Speaker 1>I am going to like free his people from imperial bondage.

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<v Speaker 1>Like personally is kind of pretty pretty cool, know.

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<v Speaker 2>With no background as a soldier as far as id with.

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<v Speaker 1>No military background at this point, just the experience of

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<v Speaker 1>like makeing chain mail and learning how to sword fight

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<v Speaker 1>with the sprints. Yeah. Now, in a more artful bit

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<v Speaker 1>of writing, Lawrence Laurence, this is I want to quote

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<v Speaker 1>from a poem that Lawrence writes in Seven Pillars of Islam,

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<v Speaker 1>which Satin argues is a poem that he is. He

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't explicitly say this is a poem about Dome, but

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<v Speaker 1>Satin argues this is a poem written for Dome after

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<v Speaker 1>Dome's death. Quote, I love you, I loved you, so

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<v Speaker 1>I drew these tides of men into my hands and

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<v Speaker 1>wrote my will across the sky in stars.

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<v Speaker 2>Damn Jesus.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a line that's bars right there.

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<v Speaker 2>That is beyond romance, like pale.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I wrote my will across the sky and stars.

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<v Speaker 1>He's just a good writer, you know. Yeah. So in

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<v Speaker 1>this conception, if we take this is the reason why

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<v Speaker 1>Lawrence ultimately back the air revolt, and I will I'll

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<v Speaker 1>tell you right now, it can't be all of why, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there are less romantic reasons that his country, Great Britain,

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<v Speaker 1>gets involved. You know. Obviously they're not doing it because

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<v Speaker 1>some random British dude like an Arab kid.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>As I noted last episode, the Germans had started making

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<v Speaker 1>inroads with the Ottomans after the British pulled back their

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<v Speaker 1>support of the Sultan zik Kaiser, who had thrown away

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<v Speaker 1>Germany's alliance with Russia because he was a dumb shit,

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<v Speaker 1>needed the Ottomans because once he's like fuck you Russia,

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<v Speaker 1>he also realizes like, oh my god, there's no one

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<v Speaker 1>watching our ASTs, right, so we kind of have to

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<v Speaker 1>have the Ottomans now, right, And he also the Kaiser's

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<v Speaker 1>convinced himself that well, if I get the Sultan in

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<v Speaker 1>my back pocket, if we ever have a big fight

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<v Speaker 1>with Great Britain, I can incite a jihad against the

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<v Speaker 1>British Empire in India and that'll solve all my British

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<v Speaker 1>people problems.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all Muslims are definitely in power in India.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, always, yes, yes, yes, that is a clear fact

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<v Speaker 1>that you know. I mean, if you're the Kaiser, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess I'm just kind of proud he knows enough about

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<v Speaker 1>India to know there are Muslims there. Yes, that's more

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<v Speaker 1>knowledge than I would have credited kaiserville Elm with. Yeah. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>a further complication here was the recent construction of the

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<v Speaker 1>j Jas railway, which connected the Arab Peninsula to the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of modern day Saudi Arabia. This is a railway

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<v Speaker 1>that goes from like, you know, the the Ottoman heartland

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<v Speaker 1>and the Arab world all the way down through what

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<v Speaker 1>is modern day Saudi Arabia to like Omen and Yemen.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, right, like that's the Hjas is this massive

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<v Speaker 1>desert peninsula, right and this is you know, the Ottomans.

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<v Speaker 1>Once that Great Britain had gotten the sus Canal going.

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<v Speaker 1>The Ottomans had become dependent on Great Britain to move

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<v Speaker 1>goods to a lot of parts of the world, and

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<v Speaker 1>this railway was not only supposed to connect a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of these backwaters of the Empire, these tiny, little off

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<v Speaker 1>the map places that were really completely separate from the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of the world. It was also supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>this like economic lifeline to the Empire that reduced their

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<v Speaker 1>dependence on Great Britain. The railway was so crucial not

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<v Speaker 1>just to the Ottomans, but in a lot of eyes

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<v Speaker 1>to the to Islam right that it had been funded

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<v Speaker 1>by do nations from Muslims all over the world, including

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<v Speaker 1>a huge number of Indian Muslims. And the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>so many Indian Muslims had donated to fund the Jjas

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<v Speaker 1>Railway was seen by a lot of like British observers

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<v Speaker 1>as evidence that like, oh, we really do need to

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<v Speaker 1>be worried that the caliph could spark a rebellion right now.

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<v Speaker 1>This ties back to Lawrence because during the years he

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<v Speaker 1>was digging, a realization had spread among the brass back

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<v Speaker 1>home in England that we might, you know's it's becoming

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<v Speaker 1>increasingly likely that we're going to have to scrap with

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<v Speaker 1>the Germans, and if that's the case, we probably have

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<v Speaker 1>to have a plan to deal with the Turks. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>Lord Kitchener, who is like the king shit of the

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<v Speaker 1>British military, you know, in the period leading up to

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<v Speaker 1>in the early stages of World War One, is the guy,

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<v Speaker 1>the man in power in the British military establishment who

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<v Speaker 1>is first like, hey, I am backing, Like I am

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<v Speaker 1>officially backing that we want to incite an air We're

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<v Speaker 1>looking into the possibility of inciting an Arab rebellion in Syria, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and support it enough to create a friendly state that

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<v Speaker 1>will fracture Ottoman power. Right Kitchener is like, he's not

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<v Speaker 1>the guy who originates the idea, but he's the first

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<v Speaker 1>guy in power who's like, I think we should explore

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<v Speaker 1>this as a potential official like policy move, Like.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this the first time? Because this is this is

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<v Speaker 2>like the US's playbook. Right, is you back and uprising

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<v Speaker 2>in order to create a friendly state to the US?

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<v Speaker 2>Is this like are their previous examples?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yes, from the British right. I don't the US

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<v Speaker 1>is doing much of this. I mean it done. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you could look at some aspects of our history. But

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<v Speaker 1>like we get it either way from the Brits, right,

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<v Speaker 1>they do this in Africa, they do this all over the.

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<v Speaker 2>Place, So it's an existing playbook.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it is definitely an existing playbook. Right. This

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<v Speaker 1>is always how the British Empire's playbook is always, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>although it's usually a bit different because like this is

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<v Speaker 1>we are trying to disrupt an enemy by doing this.

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<v Speaker 1>Usually it's more we have this area we control that

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<v Speaker 1>we are native too, and we're going to find a

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<v Speaker 1>warrior people and we're going to both back them but

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<v Speaker 1>also kind of incite conflicts between them and other peoples

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<v Speaker 1>in order to take the pressure off of us.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>But you can see how like that playbook, you can

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<v Speaker 1>you can translate that directly to what's being done here

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<v Speaker 1>with the elements, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, everyone likes doing that. The Tzar did that with

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<v Speaker 2>the cosmics.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, it's a very old old playbook.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So in September of nineteen thirteen, the coming war between

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<v Speaker 1>European powers was both something that like everyone knew it

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<v Speaker 1>was happening, right that there was some sort of general

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<v Speaker 1>European conflict probably and also nobody really expected it to

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<v Speaker 1>happen right, not when it happened right. It's one of

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<v Speaker 1>those things where it's like, well, this will happen one day,

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<v Speaker 1>but probably not tomorrow, until eventually tomorrow comes.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>This is impression for when this comes out.

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<v Speaker 1>Pressure for any number of things. Now, Kitchener, being a

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<v Speaker 1>bit smarter than a lot of people in the British Empire,

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<v Speaker 1>is not just like, well, we'll probably have a war

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<v Speaker 1>one of these days, but not tomorrow. Kitchener's it's like, well,

0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:03.000
<v Speaker 1>he's probably ready, Like, if we're going to wind up

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<v Speaker 1>fighting the Germans and the Ottomans, we probably have a

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<v Speaker 1>plan for how to like incite this rebellion that might

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<v Speaker 1>get the Ottomans, you know, off of our fucking backs.

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<v Speaker 1>So he sends operatives to Palestine to gather information on

0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:18.359
<v Speaker 1>Ottoman military facilities there. Now, since the Ottomans weren't just

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<v Speaker 1>about to okay, like spy of bes, oh, you want

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<v Speaker 1>to send some spies the Holy that absolutely, it was

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<v Speaker 1>suggested that they send some local boys, some local like

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<v Speaker 1>English boys who were already in the Ottoman Empire playing

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<v Speaker 1>at archaeology, right, And that is how Te Lawrence and

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<v Speaker 1>his friend Ced L. Wooley find themselves called upon to

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<v Speaker 1>act as spies for the mother country. Lawrence was described

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<v Speaker 1>by his mentor to the Shell organization created to execute

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<v Speaker 1>this expedition as someone who quote gets on very well

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<v Speaker 1>with the natives. He has I think more the instincts

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<v Speaker 1>of an explorer, but is very shy. Right, that's like

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<v Speaker 1>the the what gets him this job. As like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's kind of doing some James Bond shit. You know

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<v Speaker 1>six am I five doesn't exist then, but like that,

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<v Speaker 1>that's very much what he's doing here, right, He's being

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<v Speaker 1>brought in by the state to help provide cover to

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<v Speaker 1>an espionage operation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, he and Woolley insist that Dome be hired as

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<v Speaker 1>a photographer and general assistant to the team. They are

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<v Speaker 1>carrying out a real historical survey, but that survey is

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<v Speaker 1>also cover to this group of actual spies that are

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<v Speaker 1>being sent like as assistants, but are there to do

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<v Speaker 1>their actual like spy work. Right. Lawrence is aware of this,

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<v Speaker 1>and he writes back to his mom, we are obviously

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<v Speaker 1>meant as red herrings. Now the trips.

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<v Speaker 2>Could trust the male so well back then, of course

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<v Speaker 2>nobody would look in the mail. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the trip was mostly uneventful for our purposes, save

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<v Speaker 1>that it marks the first time Lawrence found himself traveling

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<v Speaker 1>the Sinai and thinking about the military value of different

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<v Speaker 1>towns and forts along the way. One morning, he and

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<v Speaker 1>Woolley were late meeting up with their baggage men because

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<v Speaker 1>they were hunting a gazelle. Well, their camels, which had

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<v Speaker 1>bolted the night before, were found, and the Egyptian police

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<v Speaker 1>were contacted in a panic. Lawrence wrote home that quote.

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<v Speaker 1>The result was wild telephoning all over the frontier. The

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<v Speaker 1>Turks were wandering over their hills. About forty Arabs were

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<v Speaker 1>arrested and brought in his hostages for our reappearance. And

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<v Speaker 1>meanwhile we were sitting quietly wondering where in the world

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<v Speaker 1>our tents had got to. Now. To anyone else, this

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<v Speaker 1>would just be kind of like a funny moment, But Lawrence,

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<v Speaker 1>being very perceptive, takes something crucial from the experience. He writes, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>it shows how easily it is in an absolutely deserted

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<v Speaker 1>country to defy a government. And this is going to

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<v Speaker 1>lead him to one of the most important realizations of

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<v Speaker 1>the last one hundred and fifty years. After the expedition,

0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:45.800
<v Speaker 1>Lawrence and Woolly went back to their dig. Woolly left

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<v Speaker 1>around June, but as was usual, Lawrence stayed. He got

0:20:49.320 --> 0:20:51.520
<v Speaker 1>regular pushes to go back home, but in the last

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen months had spent just three weeks in England. Daoum

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<v Speaker 1>and another local friend of his, Hamoodi, had by this

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<v Speaker 1>point heard stories from Lawrence about and they'd repeatedly asked, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>can we would like to see You've spent so much

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<v Speaker 1>time in our home, we would like to see England, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And eventually, in nineteen thirteen, in the last summer before

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<v Speaker 1>the world went mad, Lawrence obliged them. Now they stayed

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<v Speaker 1>about ten days. He brings these two Arab friends of his,

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<v Speaker 1>and they stayed for ten days in Oxford. They are

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<v Speaker 1>mostly treated as like curiosities. They give like speeches and

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<v Speaker 1>stuff in public where people get to question them about

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<v Speaker 1>like their lives and their home. And for the most part,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I think it's kind of interesting that this happened,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's not super relevant to like our question, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>where do we put this guy morally? There is one

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<v Speaker 1>anecdote here that I think is worth reciting to you,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I'm going to quote again from Anthony Satin's

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<v Speaker 1>book The Young te Lawrence, where he writes about a

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<v Speaker 1>story that Hamoodi told of this visit after Lawrence's death. Quote,

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<v Speaker 1>many wish to photograph us Hamoodi and Dome as we

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<v Speaker 1>sat with him, Lawrence in our customary clothes, And after

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<v Speaker 1>they took a picture, they would come and speak to him,

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<v Speaker 1>and always he said no, no.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>One day I asked why he was always saying no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>and he laughed and said, I will tell you. These

0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:07.760
<v Speaker 1>people wish to give you money, but for me you

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<v Speaker 1>would now be rich. Don't call yourself my friend. Hamoudi

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<v Speaker 1>shouted and say thus calmly, that you kept me from riches.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a rare moment of cultural division between them.

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<v Speaker 1>It also showed that the Syrians understood the wealth and

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<v Speaker 1>privilege of their young friend. Hamodi remembered that Lawrence had

0:22:23.320 --> 0:22:25.520
<v Speaker 1>laughed at his anger, and the more he laughed, the

0:22:25.600 --> 0:22:29.240
<v Speaker 1>angrier Hamoudi became. Then Lawrence said, yes, you might have

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<v Speaker 1>been rich, richer than any in Jurabulus. And I what

0:22:32.920 --> 0:22:35.280
<v Speaker 1>should I have been? I should have been the showman

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<v Speaker 1>of two monkeys. And suddenly Hamoudi admitted all my anger

0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:40.600
<v Speaker 1>died down within me.

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<v Speaker 2>WHOA yeah, yeah, so he's thinking about what he's doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, he is attempting to not that he does it perfectly,

0:22:50.359 --> 0:22:54.439
<v Speaker 1>but he is trying to think ethically about the complexity

0:22:54.520 --> 0:22:57.760
<v Speaker 1>and the class dynamics and wealth dynamics and disparity of

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<v Speaker 1>his relationship with these guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Fascinat because I was already thinking about how it's like, well,

0:23:01.960 --> 0:23:04.879
<v Speaker 2>when he goes there, they're not like putting him in

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<v Speaker 2>a on stage and being like, no, tell us about

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<v Speaker 2>the weird, racky, cold place you're from.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, and that does happen here, and he's like

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<v Speaker 1>conscious and he's like, I don't want to turn this

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<v Speaker 1>into me prostituting these boys for orientalist reasons, right, yeah,

0:23:21.560 --> 0:23:23.040
<v Speaker 1>that seems bad to me.

0:23:23.800 --> 0:23:25.520
<v Speaker 2>Right, And on the other hand, it probably could have been, like.

0:23:25.760 --> 0:23:27.920
<v Speaker 1>He could have talked this out with them, right, There

0:23:27.960 --> 0:23:29.680
<v Speaker 1>is some of that paternalism here, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Right totally, because they could have been like, yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 2>let's get a rich fuck it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, exactly. They could have made that decision. And

0:23:35.240 --> 0:23:39.199
<v Speaker 1>he again, he's definitely paternalistic. He's older than them. You know,

0:23:39.880 --> 0:23:43.159
<v Speaker 1>this isn't unproblematic perfectly, but I also it's interesting to

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<v Speaker 1>me that he is really trying to think about this

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<v Speaker 1>in an ethical sense that somewhat comports with our modern ethics.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what doesn't comport with our modern ethics, Margaret.

0:23:54.960 --> 0:23:57.480
<v Speaker 2>Is it h our ads?

0:23:58.160 --> 0:24:01.160
<v Speaker 1>They sure don't. But you know what I like being

0:24:01.160 --> 0:24:02.960
<v Speaker 1>able to pay my mortgage. Me too.

0:24:03.640 --> 0:24:05.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'll just get to talk about it and then

0:24:05.359 --> 0:24:06.560
<v Speaker 2>they make decisions together.

0:24:06.800 --> 0:24:09.840
<v Speaker 1>That's right, let's make some decisions together. Let's you and

0:24:09.880 --> 0:24:12.960
<v Speaker 1>me prostitute ourselves. Excellent.

0:24:13.480 --> 0:24:14.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that sounds great.

0:24:15.000 --> 0:24:24.640
<v Speaker 1>That sounds great, and we're back. So when the war

0:24:24.760 --> 0:24:27.840
<v Speaker 1>broke out in August of nineteen fourteen, the time of

0:24:27.960 --> 0:24:33.080
<v Speaker 1>leisurely afternoons painting and reading with Dome were over. Based

0:24:33.119 --> 0:24:35.800
<v Speaker 1>on his work in Palestine the previous year, Lawrence was

0:24:35.800 --> 0:24:38.679
<v Speaker 1>offered a commission in the Army Intelligence Corps as a

0:24:38.720 --> 0:24:42.040
<v Speaker 1>second lieutenant. This landed Lawrence, who's now in kind of

0:24:42.080 --> 0:24:45.040
<v Speaker 1>like his mid to late twenties in Cairo, which is

0:24:45.080 --> 0:24:47.600
<v Speaker 1>where the movie begins to show us his story. Right,

0:24:47.640 --> 0:24:50.600
<v Speaker 1>this is where the nineteen sixty two film starts. I

0:24:50.600 --> 0:24:54.000
<v Speaker 1>think it's valuable that we have we've gone a little

0:24:54.000 --> 0:24:58.320
<v Speaker 1>bit back there by the time the fighting started. Kitchener's

0:24:58.320 --> 0:25:01.360
<v Speaker 1>interest in sparking an aerbravolt only deepened, and he'd had

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<v Speaker 1>several clandestine conversations with Prince Houssein ibn Ali, the Arab

0:25:06.480 --> 0:25:09.960
<v Speaker 1>nobleman charged with protecting the holy cities of Mecca and Medina.

0:25:10.600 --> 0:25:13.520
<v Speaker 1>Kitchener and his advisors believe that Prince Hussain could be

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<v Speaker 1>used to sever much of the Arab world from the

0:25:16.000 --> 0:25:20.480
<v Speaker 1>Ottomans and prevent them from functioning as an ally to Germany. Now,

0:25:20.640 --> 0:25:23.040
<v Speaker 1>Prince Husain was not the only potential game in town

0:25:23.119 --> 0:25:26.080
<v Speaker 1>for the Brits. Kitchener and his allies supported him as

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<v Speaker 1>the new Khaliph, while others backed a young chieftain from

0:25:29.359 --> 0:25:34.119
<v Speaker 1>Riad named Abdullah Aziz Aziz ibn Saud. Now did you

0:25:34.160 --> 0:25:38.280
<v Speaker 1>think about that last name, Saud for ahent as to

0:25:38.359 --> 0:25:43.480
<v Speaker 1>what his family's doing today? Yeah, well, yeah, they're doing

0:25:43.600 --> 0:25:46.960
<v Speaker 1>quite well. Some of the evilest people on planet Earth.

0:25:47.000 --> 0:25:50.199
<v Speaker 1>And Abdulla Ziz ibn Saud sucks ass too. Now so

0:25:50.320 --> 0:25:54.000
<v Speaker 1>does Prince Houssein. Both of these guys are huge dix

0:25:54.480 --> 0:25:57.080
<v Speaker 1>and a big part of why this Arab revolt doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>end in a better place for the Arab world. Know,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say overwhelmingly the blame is on the Ottomans

0:26:03.280 --> 0:26:05.200
<v Speaker 1>and the European powers. But a lot of it comes

0:26:05.280 --> 0:26:08.000
<v Speaker 1>down to the fact that the local leaders, you know,

0:26:08.240 --> 0:26:11.560
<v Speaker 1>the Arab leaders of this revolt are also assholes, right,

0:26:11.640 --> 0:26:15.560
<v Speaker 1>and that plays a role in the structures that get

0:26:15.640 --> 0:26:19.159
<v Speaker 1>set up, you know, at the end of this. All right, Yeah, Now,

0:26:19.720 --> 0:26:23.600
<v Speaker 1>Saud is Wahabi, right, which isn't a Puritan strain of

0:26:23.680 --> 0:26:27.320
<v Speaker 1>Islam that is also strongly anti idolatry. And Prince Hussein

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<v Speaker 1>is a guy. He is a real asshole about it.

0:26:30.080 --> 0:26:33.199
<v Speaker 1>He is super anti woman. He is a very strict

0:26:33.200 --> 0:26:35.520
<v Speaker 1>He's also a Puritan, right, He's the guy who like

0:26:35.600 --> 0:26:39.840
<v Speaker 1>bans drinking in Mecca, you know. But he is also

0:26:39.880 --> 0:26:44.200
<v Speaker 1>he's not a Wahabbist because the Wahabbies they're anti idolatry,

0:26:44.240 --> 0:26:46.960
<v Speaker 1>and Prince Hussein kind of wants to be worshiped almost

0:26:47.000 --> 0:26:50.000
<v Speaker 1>as much as Allah, right, like, and so he doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>like the anti idolatry stuff about Wahabism.

0:26:53.480 --> 0:26:55.760
<v Speaker 2>He's like, humility, humility is no good.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, that's not my bag. I am a prince. Now,

0:27:02.960 --> 0:27:05.840
<v Speaker 1>the outbreak of World War One has been a disaster

0:27:06.040 --> 0:27:09.280
<v Speaker 1>for Mecca, right, which is tourism would be like kind

0:27:09.280 --> 0:27:11.959
<v Speaker 1>of the wrong way of saying. But it's like religious pilgrimage, right,

0:27:12.160 --> 0:27:15.040
<v Speaker 1>is like what the city does, that's where its money

0:27:15.080 --> 0:27:18.399
<v Speaker 1>comes from. People aren't doing as much of that. After

0:27:18.480 --> 0:27:21.920
<v Speaker 1>the whole war decides like what if we take all

0:27:21.920 --> 0:27:24.760
<v Speaker 1>these young men who were, you know, around to go

0:27:24.800 --> 0:27:27.600
<v Speaker 1>on pilgrimages to Mecca and the like, and instead we

0:27:27.760 --> 0:27:30.919
<v Speaker 1>feed them to each other's machine guns, you know, and

0:27:31.800 --> 0:27:33.840
<v Speaker 1>honestly a great this is a great time to be

0:27:33.880 --> 0:27:37.000
<v Speaker 1>a machine gun, bad time to be a young man.

0:27:37.680 --> 0:27:43.280
<v Speaker 1>So traffic to Mecca collapses and the economy follows with it.

0:27:43.320 --> 0:27:46.000
<v Speaker 1>And I'm going to quote from James Barr's book here.

0:27:46.800 --> 0:27:49.960
<v Speaker 1>Meccans were reduced to selling their furniture and the ornately

0:27:50.080 --> 0:27:53.280
<v Speaker 1>carved wooden doors and fretwork windows of their houses for

0:27:53.400 --> 0:27:57.600
<v Speaker 1>firewood to feed themselves. These screens shielded their women folk

0:27:57.720 --> 0:28:01.479
<v Speaker 1>indoors from prying eyes. It was a deeply humiliating resort

0:28:01.560 --> 0:28:02.240
<v Speaker 1>to have to take.

0:28:03.960 --> 0:28:04.320
<v Speaker 2>Well.

0:28:04.640 --> 0:28:10.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So Prince Hussain blames the suffering and the war

0:28:10.320 --> 0:28:14.280
<v Speaker 1>itself on the secular modernizing of the Ottomans, which he

0:28:14.400 --> 0:28:17.919
<v Speaker 1>says violated the Koran by, for instance, allowing women to

0:28:17.960 --> 0:28:20.680
<v Speaker 1>work in the post office A major reason why Hussein

0:28:21.040 --> 0:28:23.479
<v Speaker 1>gets on board with being like the figurehead of an

0:28:23.520 --> 0:28:27.080
<v Speaker 1>Arab revolt against the Ottomans is he goes to Constantinople

0:28:27.119 --> 0:28:29.560
<v Speaker 1>a couple of years back and he sees women working

0:28:29.600 --> 0:28:32.679
<v Speaker 1>at the post office and he is it loses his mind.

0:28:32.960 --> 0:28:37.080
<v Speaker 1>He absolutely goes fucking batshit over like ladies in the

0:28:37.119 --> 0:28:40.480
<v Speaker 1>post office. This guy is the anti wokest of the

0:28:40.560 --> 0:28:45.280
<v Speaker 1>anti wokes. He describes lady post office workers as an

0:28:45.320 --> 0:28:48.520
<v Speaker 1>evil that will greatly injure us if it increases. Like

0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:51.440
<v Speaker 1>alost debate, why did this terrible war happen? Why are

0:28:51.520 --> 0:28:55.480
<v Speaker 1>we slaughtering each other? It's lady post office workers. He's

0:28:55.560 --> 0:28:59.960
<v Speaker 1>so out of his mind the words male man, mail man,

0:29:00.000 --> 0:29:03.120
<v Speaker 1>Oh god, damn it. Yeah, Prince Husain real piece of

0:29:03.160 --> 0:29:04.240
<v Speaker 1>shit in this story.

0:29:04.560 --> 0:29:07.480
<v Speaker 2>Okay, debate, Nce is gonna end up backing anyway.

0:29:07.880 --> 0:29:09.800
<v Speaker 1>This is this is who. This is who Lawrence in

0:29:09.840 --> 0:29:12.400
<v Speaker 1>England end up backing, although this is not who Lawrence

0:29:12.480 --> 0:29:15.840
<v Speaker 1>personally backs. Right, Whussain is the father of the guy

0:29:15.880 --> 0:29:19.640
<v Speaker 1>that Lawrence is really sees as being the great leader. Right,

0:29:20.320 --> 0:29:23.920
<v Speaker 1>So debate rages within sort of the British intelligence and

0:29:24.000 --> 0:29:26.800
<v Speaker 1>military establishment. It's very similar to how like during the

0:29:26.840 --> 0:29:29.520
<v Speaker 1>Syrian Civil War, you had like the US kind of

0:29:29.560 --> 0:29:32.760
<v Speaker 1>military intelligence back the Kurds, and you had like the

0:29:32.840 --> 0:29:35.880
<v Speaker 1>CIA back these kind of alliances of like rebel groups.

0:29:36.120 --> 0:29:38.880
<v Speaker 1>Well you have within you know, the military and the

0:29:39.000 --> 0:29:42.160
<v Speaker 1>intelligence arms of kind of the British state are backing

0:29:42.640 --> 0:29:46.440
<v Speaker 1>to Dit like Saud or Hussein, right, And there's a

0:29:46.520 --> 0:29:49.160
<v Speaker 1>lot of argument over like who is better, and this

0:29:49.240 --> 0:29:51.760
<v Speaker 1>is It's also worth noting that when we're parsing out

0:29:51.760 --> 0:29:54.520
<v Speaker 1>the morality of this, what what Great Britain is doing

0:29:54.560 --> 0:29:58.320
<v Speaker 1>here playing with these people's lives is evil. What Prince

0:29:58.360 --> 0:30:01.520
<v Speaker 1>Hussein is doing here try to get absolute power, make

0:30:01.600 --> 0:30:03.680
<v Speaker 1>himself into a khaliph is evil.

0:30:03.920 --> 0:30:04.080
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:30:04.160 --> 0:30:07.440
<v Speaker 1>The other Arabs, by the way, he wants to specifically

0:30:07.480 --> 0:30:11.040
<v Speaker 1>be king of this massive greater Arab state and like

0:30:11.120 --> 0:30:14.160
<v Speaker 1>wants to be ruling Iraq and Syria because that's prestigious

0:30:14.200 --> 0:30:17.320
<v Speaker 1>and the Hajahs is a backwater people. The Arabs in

0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:20.360
<v Speaker 1>Iraq and Syria don't want this guy ruling them, you know,

0:30:20.680 --> 0:30:23.000
<v Speaker 1>they don't like him more than they like the Ottomans

0:30:23.160 --> 0:30:24.600
<v Speaker 1>in some cases a lot less.

0:30:24.720 --> 0:30:24.880
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:30:25.280 --> 0:30:27.440
<v Speaker 1>But also when we're talking about like the morality of this,

0:30:28.120 --> 0:30:30.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, what Great Britain is doing here is fucked up.

0:30:30.520 --> 0:30:33.720
<v Speaker 1>The Ottomans are actively doing a genocide. They are doing

0:30:33.760 --> 0:30:36.080
<v Speaker 1>the Armenian genocide in this period of time. So there's

0:30:36.120 --> 0:30:38.440
<v Speaker 1>not like a there's not like a ah. These are

0:30:38.480 --> 0:30:41.480
<v Speaker 1>the this is the shining bright side of this conflict.

0:30:41.520 --> 0:30:44.760
<v Speaker 1>To back, these guys were the real heroes here. Everyone's

0:30:44.800 --> 0:30:46.600
<v Speaker 1>an imperialist and everyone's a piece of shit.

0:30:46.840 --> 0:30:47.080
<v Speaker 2>You know.

0:30:48.600 --> 0:30:53.120
<v Speaker 1>Lawrence might have the most noble you know, kind of

0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:56.760
<v Speaker 1>alongside a lot of the like individual dudes who are

0:30:56.800 --> 0:30:59.000
<v Speaker 1>just like fighting because like it seems like the Ottomans suck.

0:31:00.040 --> 0:31:02.080
<v Speaker 1>But of the people with like power in this he's

0:31:02.120 --> 0:31:05.320
<v Speaker 1>at least less objectionable than some. So he spends the

0:31:05.320 --> 0:31:07.640
<v Speaker 1>first two years of his time as an intelligence agent

0:31:07.640 --> 0:31:11.760
<v Speaker 1>from fourteen to sixteen in Egypt in Cairo, writing intelligent

0:31:11.880 --> 0:31:15.240
<v Speaker 1>summaries from hundreds of sources across the region. Right other

0:31:15.320 --> 0:31:17.920
<v Speaker 1>people are bringing in data, he is like turning it

0:31:17.960 --> 0:31:21.360
<v Speaker 1>into briefings and sending it out right. And he becomes

0:31:21.400 --> 0:31:23.400
<v Speaker 1>as a result of this duty. He's a guy who

0:31:23.520 --> 0:31:26.720
<v Speaker 1>studies constantly. He's fascinated in the culture of the region,

0:31:26.960 --> 0:31:29.600
<v Speaker 1>and he becomes acquainted with the history of the Bedouins.

0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:33.080
<v Speaker 1>These are the nomadic peoples in the Hisjahs in this

0:31:33.160 --> 0:31:36.600
<v Speaker 1>in the Arab Peninsula, and they are primarily the way

0:31:36.640 --> 0:31:41.480
<v Speaker 1>everyone sees them, raiders and bandits, right. They fight a

0:31:41.520 --> 0:31:44.720
<v Speaker 1>lot within each other. They are a clannish tribal people,

0:31:45.160 --> 0:31:48.160
<v Speaker 1>and they make a lot of their living from like banditry, you.

0:31:48.080 --> 0:31:50.600
<v Speaker 2>Know, comparable to the Kurds at the time.

0:31:50.760 --> 0:31:55.480
<v Speaker 1>Maybe, Yeah, there's a lot of similarities. Yeah, yeah, I

0:31:55.520 --> 0:31:58.960
<v Speaker 1>mean you could definitely draw that in some ways, right,

0:31:59.080 --> 0:32:01.960
<v Speaker 1>And like, you know, you've got some of these guys

0:32:01.960 --> 0:32:04.720
<v Speaker 1>like Prince Hussein who have started to urban eye, but

0:32:04.760 --> 0:32:06.800
<v Speaker 1>you also have these people who like they very much

0:32:06.840 --> 0:32:10.200
<v Speaker 1>do live this nomadic existence except for the fact that

0:32:10.200 --> 0:32:12.640
<v Speaker 1>they have guns, not different from how they would have

0:32:12.680 --> 0:32:15.840
<v Speaker 1>lived seven hundred years ago, and like Muhammad was alive, right,

0:32:16.720 --> 0:32:18.840
<v Speaker 1>So the fact that Lawrence is starting to understand these

0:32:18.840 --> 0:32:21.239
<v Speaker 1>people and study them was going to prove crucial to

0:32:21.280 --> 0:32:24.840
<v Speaker 1>what comes next. But at the time, he's really frustrated

0:32:24.840 --> 0:32:27.120
<v Speaker 1>that he's like forced to just sit on his ass

0:32:27.160 --> 0:32:30.239
<v Speaker 1>and do nothing. In May of nineteen fifteen, less than

0:32:30.280 --> 0:32:33.080
<v Speaker 1>one year into the war, his brother Frank had been

0:32:33.160 --> 0:32:36.480
<v Speaker 1>killed in France. Four months later, his youngest son Will

0:32:36.720 --> 0:32:38.160
<v Speaker 1>was shot down and perished.

0:32:38.600 --> 0:32:39.240
<v Speaker 2>Youngest brother.

0:32:39.680 --> 0:32:42.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, youngest brother Will was shot down in Paris. So

0:32:42.080 --> 0:32:44.240
<v Speaker 1>he loses two brothers in the first two years of

0:32:44.280 --> 0:32:46.440
<v Speaker 1>the war. While he's sitting in this office in Cairo

0:32:47.320 --> 0:32:50.840
<v Speaker 1>being bored, and he is racked with survivor's guilt over this.

0:32:50.880 --> 0:32:53.560
<v Speaker 1>He and his brothers had been very close. In letters

0:32:53.560 --> 0:32:56.160
<v Speaker 1>home to his mother, he veered between shows of strength

0:32:56.480 --> 0:32:58.960
<v Speaker 1>in a time of such fearful stress in our country,

0:32:59.080 --> 0:33:01.640
<v Speaker 1>it is one's duty to watch every to watch very

0:33:01.680 --> 0:33:04.880
<v Speaker 1>carefully lest one of the weaker ones be offended. But

0:33:04.920 --> 0:33:07.760
<v Speaker 1>he also complained to her, we do nothing here except

0:33:07.800 --> 0:33:11.080
<v Speaker 1>sit and think out harassing schemes of Arabian policy. My

0:33:11.160 --> 0:33:13.600
<v Speaker 1>hair is getting very thin and gray. I'm going to

0:33:13.600 --> 0:33:17.200
<v Speaker 1>be in Cairo till I die. You know, he's an

0:33:17.200 --> 0:33:19.760
<v Speaker 1>emotional guy. He's going through a lot here. This is

0:33:19.800 --> 0:33:22.760
<v Speaker 1>a complex time to him, and his grief is compounded

0:33:23.080 --> 0:33:27.600
<v Speaker 1>by fury at the failed Allied invasion of Gallipoli, masterminded

0:33:27.640 --> 0:33:30.360
<v Speaker 1>by friend of the Pod Winston Churchill. This was a

0:33:30.480 --> 0:33:33.760
<v Speaker 1>vast invasion by sea of the Ottoman coast that ended

0:33:33.800 --> 0:33:37.000
<v Speaker 1>in just just the worst fuck up ever. Right, one

0:33:37.040 --> 0:33:41.840
<v Speaker 1>of the great disasters in military history, you know, pick, yeah,

0:33:42.080 --> 0:33:46.520
<v Speaker 1>just a calamitous fuck up. Now, Lawrence writes a report

0:33:46.560 --> 0:33:50.880
<v Speaker 1>on precisely why the campaign, which he termed a disgrace failed.

0:33:51.320 --> 0:33:53.840
<v Speaker 1>It was buried this report of his to protect the

0:33:53.880 --> 0:33:56.280
<v Speaker 1>people who'd planned it. Right, we can't have Winston Churchill

0:33:56.320 --> 0:34:00.920
<v Speaker 1>getting criticized, heres h. And it's a very good James

0:34:00.920 --> 0:34:04.360
<v Speaker 1>Schneider writes in his book Guerrilla Leader. He discovered then

0:34:04.440 --> 0:34:07.920
<v Speaker 1>the reality in modern war that the civilian population will

0:34:07.960 --> 0:34:11.600
<v Speaker 1>always suffer when a European power pursues its national interest

0:34:11.880 --> 0:34:15.319
<v Speaker 1>without regard to the culture and political aspirations of the

0:34:15.400 --> 0:34:19.200
<v Speaker 1>native populace. Right. And so this is kind of like

0:34:19.280 --> 0:34:22.319
<v Speaker 1>he makes a he makes a decision here that to

0:34:22.480 --> 0:34:24.840
<v Speaker 1>be different, that like, we have to be different, because

0:34:24.880 --> 0:34:27.279
<v Speaker 1>like if we're not, if we make these decisions but

0:34:27.440 --> 0:34:29.439
<v Speaker 1>purely on what we know and think of war without

0:34:29.480 --> 0:34:33.239
<v Speaker 1>any kind of like uh uh, you know, without any

0:34:33.280 --> 0:34:36.680
<v Speaker 1>sort of openness to the realities on the ground, we

0:34:36.760 --> 0:34:41.080
<v Speaker 1>wind up walking into disasters. Right. He is trying to

0:34:41.120 --> 0:34:44.359
<v Speaker 1>preach against Vietnam syndrome, right where you just like stumbling, well,

0:34:44.360 --> 0:34:46.120
<v Speaker 1>we're America, we know how to fight a war. This

0:34:46.200 --> 0:34:47.279
<v Speaker 1>is how you do it. I don't need to know

0:34:47.320 --> 0:34:49.840
<v Speaker 1>shit about this country, right, I'll just fight this the

0:34:49.840 --> 0:34:52.120
<v Speaker 1>way I fight every war. Ops turns out it's a

0:34:52.120 --> 0:34:53.960
<v Speaker 1>different part of the world that doesn't work here, you know.

0:34:55.040 --> 0:34:57.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it wasn't a big thing, is that when

0:34:57.400 --> 0:34:59.520
<v Speaker 2>the Brits were trying to fight in the Ottoman Empire,

0:34:59.560 --> 0:35:02.160
<v Speaker 2>like because there just wasn't transportation and all this thing,

0:35:02.239 --> 0:35:05.800
<v Speaker 2>like the modern method of moving all of the arms

0:35:05.840 --> 0:35:07.520
<v Speaker 2>and all those things just like fell apart.

0:35:07.800 --> 0:35:10.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I mean a lot of its supply issues

0:35:10.000 --> 0:35:12.239
<v Speaker 1>and stuff. But this was also stuff. If there had

0:35:12.280 --> 0:35:15.040
<v Speaker 1>been more knowledge of the realities of the geography of

0:35:15.040 --> 0:35:19.600
<v Speaker 1>the era, they wouldn't have tried it. Right. With more

0:35:19.640 --> 0:35:22.279
<v Speaker 1>knowledge and less arrogance, you would just like, no, we

0:35:22.360 --> 0:35:24.160
<v Speaker 1>can't do this, we don't have the capacity.

0:35:24.480 --> 0:35:25.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:35:25.719 --> 0:35:29.280
<v Speaker 1>On June tenth, nineteen sixteen, Prince Hussein had been goaded

0:35:29.280 --> 0:35:32.080
<v Speaker 1>sufficiently into action that he used a small force of

0:35:32.120 --> 0:35:35.600
<v Speaker 1>fighters to lay siege the Turkish garrison at Mecca. They

0:35:35.640 --> 0:35:38.760
<v Speaker 1>took it after three days, but the rebellion lost steam

0:35:38.880 --> 0:35:42.160
<v Speaker 1>after that. Medina did not fall, and it was clear

0:35:42.160 --> 0:35:44.520
<v Speaker 1>to anyone with eyes that the Ottomans would soon exact

0:35:44.560 --> 0:35:47.560
<v Speaker 1>a punishment because their garrison and Medina is isolated, but

0:35:47.600 --> 0:35:50.719
<v Speaker 1>they've got this train that can get stuff down there,

0:35:50.760 --> 0:35:53.240
<v Speaker 1>so they had the ability. Eventually, we'll get enough guys

0:35:53.239 --> 0:35:56.239
<v Speaker 1>there that will crack down on this little rebellion. Now,

0:35:56.320 --> 0:35:58.600
<v Speaker 1>much of the internal debate in this period among the

0:35:58.640 --> 0:36:01.440
<v Speaker 1>British revolved around whether or not we should send our

0:36:01.520 --> 0:36:04.960
<v Speaker 1>own troops in to stop the Ottomans from like crushing

0:36:05.000 --> 0:36:08.800
<v Speaker 1>this rebellion, specifically from capturing a place called Rabigue, which

0:36:08.800 --> 0:36:12.000
<v Speaker 1>contained valuable wells that would allow resupply for an attack

0:36:12.040 --> 0:36:15.759
<v Speaker 1>on Mecca. The problem was twofold number one. If the

0:36:15.760 --> 0:36:19.399
<v Speaker 1>British sent in Christian soldiers, white guys, right, that would

0:36:19.480 --> 0:36:22.560
<v Speaker 1>infuriate soldiers because like Christians are not supposed to be

0:36:22.640 --> 0:36:26.000
<v Speaker 1>in the Holy Land, you know, and that would dry

0:36:26.080 --> 0:36:28.319
<v Speaker 1>up support for the rebellion if it's seen as like, oh,

0:36:28.400 --> 0:36:30.880
<v Speaker 1>this is really just a British thing, Oh, the British

0:36:30.920 --> 0:36:33.480
<v Speaker 1>are in this, you know, Like maybe people aren't going

0:36:33.520 --> 0:36:35.120
<v Speaker 1>to be willing to die if they're like, oh, so

0:36:35.200 --> 0:36:37.560
<v Speaker 1>we're just we're just fighting to become slaves of the

0:36:37.560 --> 0:36:40.680
<v Speaker 1>British Empire. Well I don't like that any better, right,

0:36:41.320 --> 0:36:44.560
<v Speaker 1>But at the same token, the British have this option.

0:36:44.640 --> 0:36:48.000
<v Speaker 1>We have all these Muslim soldiers right from Indie, India.

0:36:48.080 --> 0:36:50.400
<v Speaker 1>We could send in with modern guns and that they

0:36:50.440 --> 0:36:54.960
<v Speaker 1>would probably make a difference. But if we send in

0:36:55.080 --> 0:36:58.320
<v Speaker 1>Muslim soldiers, no one's going to believe that Prince Hussein

0:36:58.440 --> 0:37:01.960
<v Speaker 1>is backed by us. And that's also necessary because otherwise

0:37:02.000 --> 0:37:03.920
<v Speaker 1>why would you take him seriously if he doesn't have

0:37:03.960 --> 0:37:06.520
<v Speaker 1>the backing of a great power. Right, So it's just

0:37:06.680 --> 0:37:09.600
<v Speaker 1>like catch twenty two situation, you know of, like we

0:37:09.680 --> 0:37:11.759
<v Speaker 1>can't send in white guys, but nobody takes it as

0:37:11.760 --> 0:37:15.120
<v Speaker 1>seriously unless they see some white guys. And Lawrence is

0:37:15.120 --> 0:37:17.759
<v Speaker 1>on the side of arguing that we absolutely cannot send

0:37:17.760 --> 0:37:21.040
<v Speaker 1>in British soldiers, right, and he argues interestingly, he takes

0:37:21.040 --> 0:37:22.920
<v Speaker 1>the stance that not only should we not send in

0:37:22.920 --> 0:37:27.000
<v Speaker 1>British soldiers, they're not needed. The Bedouins can on their

0:37:27.040 --> 0:37:30.239
<v Speaker 1>own defeat the Ottomans in Hajas, so long as we

0:37:30.440 --> 0:37:33.239
<v Speaker 1>arm them properly. Right. His attitude is, we don't need

0:37:33.280 --> 0:37:35.759
<v Speaker 1>to send in troops. They can handle this. They just

0:37:35.840 --> 0:37:36.440
<v Speaker 1>need guns.

0:37:36.880 --> 0:37:37.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:37:38.160 --> 0:37:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Now he is also terrified. A big motivation for Lawrence

0:37:42.040 --> 0:37:44.759
<v Speaker 1>is that the French are poking around this situation. They

0:37:44.800 --> 0:37:46.399
<v Speaker 1>keep being like, oh, you guys don't want to send

0:37:46.440 --> 0:37:48.760
<v Speaker 1>in troops. We got troops, we can send in troops,

0:37:48.800 --> 0:37:52.279
<v Speaker 1>and then ends in maybe maybe's the Arab peninsula is

0:37:52.320 --> 0:37:56.200
<v Speaker 1>a French peninsula, you know, perhaps we wind up with

0:37:56.239 --> 0:37:59.160
<v Speaker 1>Siria I A. Yeah, like that is that is what

0:37:59.200 --> 0:38:02.160
<v Speaker 1>they're The French wants Syria in particular, right like they

0:38:02.239 --> 0:38:07.520
<v Speaker 1>see this as like natural French territory, Syria.

0:38:06.160 --> 0:38:10.120
<v Speaker 2>Everywhere's natural French to everywhere is natural French territory.

0:38:10.200 --> 0:38:13.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right now, Lawrence, he's not just he's not just

0:38:14.200 --> 0:38:16.680
<v Speaker 1>doesn't like this because the British and the French don't

0:38:16.800 --> 0:38:20.440
<v Speaker 1>like each other traditionally. He is a man of the world,

0:38:20.480 --> 0:38:22.719
<v Speaker 1>and he is aware that the French when they took

0:38:22.760 --> 0:38:27.919
<v Speaker 1>Algeria immediately carried out a hideously brutal genocide. And he's like, well,

0:38:27.920 --> 0:38:30.520
<v Speaker 1>if they take Syria, they're going to do another genocide, right,

0:38:30.640 --> 0:38:33.360
<v Speaker 1>Like that's just how the French be. He argued in

0:38:33.440 --> 0:38:35.920
<v Speaker 1>letters meant to be read by other British officers that

0:38:36.000 --> 0:38:40.040
<v Speaker 1>supporting Prince Husain as the new caliph also would effectively

0:38:40.120 --> 0:38:42.440
<v Speaker 1>neuter Islam as a threat to the empire. Right, so

0:38:42.440 --> 0:38:45.080
<v Speaker 1>there's a very imperialist slight to this too. Although the

0:38:45.160 --> 0:38:47.719
<v Speaker 1>question is does he believe that, like, ah, we can

0:38:47.800 --> 0:38:50.280
<v Speaker 1>neuter Islam as a threat to our ambitions in India

0:38:50.760 --> 0:38:53.800
<v Speaker 1>or does he know that saying that will get people

0:38:53.840 --> 0:38:56.120
<v Speaker 1>to back his play back home.

0:38:56.280 --> 0:38:58.120
<v Speaker 2>Because the hardest things when you look at history.

0:38:58.200 --> 0:39:03.200
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, especially since Lawrence lies to his Arab allies,

0:39:03.920 --> 0:39:07.880
<v Speaker 1>and he lies to his British masters. He lies constantly

0:39:08.000 --> 0:39:11.000
<v Speaker 1>to them, So it is not he He is, you know,

0:39:11.200 --> 0:39:13.719
<v Speaker 1>deceitful to some of these Arabs that he claims to

0:39:13.719 --> 0:39:16.560
<v Speaker 1>care about, and he is deeply deceitful to all of

0:39:16.600 --> 0:39:19.239
<v Speaker 1>his superior officers. So the idea that he would just

0:39:19.239 --> 0:39:22.799
<v Speaker 1>be like, oh yeah, this will stop Islam from overthrowing

0:39:22.880 --> 0:39:26.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, the Indian subcontinent or whatever. Like, if he

0:39:26.120 --> 0:39:28.440
<v Speaker 1>thought that lie would work, he would say it. You know,

0:39:28.960 --> 0:39:32.680
<v Speaker 1>it's not necessary. It could be instead of Orientalism, just

0:39:32.800 --> 0:39:36.239
<v Speaker 1>him trying to manipulate his bosses, right, who he knows

0:39:36.280 --> 0:39:38.640
<v Speaker 1>are oriental who he knows are orientalists?

0:39:38.719 --> 0:39:38.879
<v Speaker 4>Right?

0:39:39.719 --> 0:39:47.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Anyway, Lawrence kind of makes a name for himself

0:39:47.840 --> 0:39:49.920
<v Speaker 1>in all of these arguments, and he's also because of

0:39:49.960 --> 0:39:51.759
<v Speaker 1>some I'm not going to get into all of the

0:39:52.160 --> 0:39:55.840
<v Speaker 1>politicking within the British military establishment, but he winds up

0:39:55.880 --> 0:40:00.480
<v Speaker 1>getting to go along with like his boss, to the

0:40:00.520 --> 0:40:03.320
<v Speaker 1>Hjaws in order to meet some of these people because

0:40:03.680 --> 0:40:05.839
<v Speaker 1>the other guy who like should have gone in his

0:40:05.960 --> 0:40:09.080
<v Speaker 1>place was too controversial as a result of all these

0:40:09.200 --> 0:40:10.960
<v Speaker 1>arguments over who to back and whether or not to

0:40:11.040 --> 0:40:13.640
<v Speaker 1>send troops. So Lawrence gets to go. This is his

0:40:13.680 --> 0:40:17.600
<v Speaker 1>first time kind of going to the Jjaws, and over

0:40:17.640 --> 0:40:20.000
<v Speaker 1>the course of ten days he meets in befriends the

0:40:20.080 --> 0:40:24.640
<v Speaker 1>prince's son, Faisal Faisal Hussein, and Faisal is the guy,

0:40:24.719 --> 0:40:26.400
<v Speaker 1>He's the guy that you see in the movie, and

0:40:26.440 --> 0:40:28.600
<v Speaker 1>he's the guy that, like Lawrence, is actually going to

0:40:28.719 --> 0:40:31.719
<v Speaker 1>back as the leader of this future Arab state that

0:40:31.800 --> 0:40:36.400
<v Speaker 1>he wants to incite to rebellion and independence. Faisal and

0:40:36.480 --> 0:40:38.880
<v Speaker 1>him get along so well that Faisal kind of insists

0:40:38.920 --> 0:40:42.200
<v Speaker 1>that Lawrence become his appointed liaison to the British army,

0:40:42.520 --> 0:40:45.680
<v Speaker 1>and Lawrence, for his part, becomes convinced that Faisal is

0:40:45.680 --> 0:40:49.440
<v Speaker 1>the future of the revolt, writing back that Faisal has

0:40:49.520 --> 0:40:54.000
<v Speaker 1>quote leadership, not intellect, nor judgment, nor political wisdom, but

0:40:54.120 --> 0:40:57.680
<v Speaker 1>the flame of enthusiasm that would set the desert on fire.

0:40:59.040 --> 0:41:03.000
<v Speaker 1>Thus the title of the Thus the title of Barr's book. Now,

0:41:03.080 --> 0:41:06.759
<v Speaker 1>the primary opponents of arming the rebellion countered Lawrence by

0:41:06.840 --> 0:41:10.640
<v Speaker 1>arguing that the Bedouin were, in one officer's words, untrained rabble,

0:41:10.920 --> 0:41:13.879
<v Speaker 1>most of whom have never fired a rifle. And this

0:41:13.920 --> 0:41:16.279
<v Speaker 1>is a complicated There's a lot of like back and

0:41:16.320 --> 0:41:19.160
<v Speaker 1>forth where like they'll be promised arms, Lawrence will kind

0:41:19.200 --> 0:41:22.160
<v Speaker 1>of say like, oh, I just got back from my boss.

0:41:22.239 --> 0:41:24.279
<v Speaker 1>His guns are coming in, so we need to carry

0:41:24.280 --> 0:41:26.279
<v Speaker 1>out this attack. But like the guns are coming, and

0:41:26.320 --> 0:41:28.600
<v Speaker 1>like the guns are not coming. Lawrence is lying to them.

0:41:28.640 --> 0:41:30.960
<v Speaker 1>He's pretending that this has been done, and he's doing

0:41:30.960 --> 0:41:34.160
<v Speaker 1>it because he wants to. He's trying to motivate them

0:41:34.200 --> 0:41:36.319
<v Speaker 1>to carry out attacks that he thinks that they can

0:41:36.360 --> 0:41:39.000
<v Speaker 1>succeed at, and they in fact do succeed at. Right,

0:41:39.640 --> 0:41:42.280
<v Speaker 1>But he is also lying to them, and also the Britis.

0:41:43.520 --> 0:41:47.759
<v Speaker 1>It's paternalism, right, It's the same thing, yeah, exactly. And

0:41:47.840 --> 0:41:51.960
<v Speaker 1>also separately, the British are just say agreeing to send arms,

0:41:52.000 --> 0:41:53.880
<v Speaker 1>and then there will be some like behind the scenes

0:41:53.920 --> 0:41:56.040
<v Speaker 1>fight and they'll be like, oh, actually we can't do that, right,

0:41:57.040 --> 0:41:59.040
<v Speaker 1>Although you know a lot of arms do wind up

0:41:59.040 --> 0:42:04.000
<v Speaker 1>getting to these rebels, right. So Lawrence knows that, you know,

0:42:04.239 --> 0:42:07.040
<v Speaker 1>in order to kind of secure support for Faisal to

0:42:07.040 --> 0:42:09.480
<v Speaker 1>get these arms, he has to make a case very

0:42:09.520 --> 0:42:13.279
<v Speaker 1>clearly to his very hesitant superiors that the Bedouins can

0:42:13.400 --> 0:42:17.320
<v Speaker 1>win this war. Right. Lawrence arrived shortly after the situation

0:42:17.400 --> 0:42:20.120
<v Speaker 1>in the southern Hejas had devolved into a stalemate, one

0:42:20.120 --> 0:42:22.920
<v Speaker 1>that favored the Turks. Faisal's men had worn out a

0:42:22.920 --> 0:42:25.360
<v Speaker 1>lot of their initial strength, failing to chew through the

0:42:25.360 --> 0:42:28.800
<v Speaker 1>defenses of Medina, but the Turks had made unexpected retreats

0:42:28.840 --> 0:42:31.440
<v Speaker 1>after rumors of an era of attack, which had allowed

0:42:31.480 --> 0:42:34.440
<v Speaker 1>Faisals men to capture the port of Rabigue in the

0:42:34.440 --> 0:42:38.600
<v Speaker 1>first place. This was confusing because they'd moved vastly superior

0:42:38.719 --> 0:42:42.239
<v Speaker 1>forces into the region. It was in analyzing their decisions

0:42:42.239 --> 0:42:44.640
<v Speaker 1>here like why all of this happened, that Lawrence would

0:42:44.640 --> 0:42:48.120
<v Speaker 1>make his first key realization, and here is how Schneider

0:42:48.160 --> 0:42:51.440
<v Speaker 1>describes it. Why did the Turks waiver? It occurred to

0:42:51.520 --> 0:42:55.480
<v Speaker 1>Lawrence that perhaps the virtue of irregulars lay in depth,

0:42:55.840 --> 0:42:58.360
<v Speaker 1>not in face, and that it had been the threat

0:42:58.400 --> 0:43:01.480
<v Speaker 1>of the attack by them on the Turkish northern flank

0:43:01.680 --> 0:43:05.040
<v Speaker 1>which had made the enemy hesitate so long the actual

0:43:05.080 --> 0:43:08.960
<v Speaker 1>Turkish flank ran from their front line at Rebeg their face,

0:43:09.040 --> 0:43:13.000
<v Speaker 1>in Lawrence's words, to Medina, a distance of some fifty miles.

0:43:13.280 --> 0:43:16.520
<v Speaker 1>But if we moved towards the Jjaz railway behind Medina,

0:43:16.840 --> 0:43:20.080
<v Speaker 1>we might stretch our threat and accordingly their flank as

0:43:20.160 --> 0:43:24.600
<v Speaker 1>far potentially as Damascus, eight hundred miles away to the north.

0:43:25.080 --> 0:43:27.360
<v Speaker 1>Such a move would force the Turks to the defensive,

0:43:27.480 --> 0:43:30.560
<v Speaker 1>and we might regain the initiative. Do you see what

0:43:30.600 --> 0:43:33.080
<v Speaker 1>he's saying here, Because this is the core of his

0:43:33.200 --> 0:43:36.120
<v Speaker 1>understanding of how to do an insurgent the struggle.

0:43:36.280 --> 0:43:38.520
<v Speaker 2>You can present yourself as everywhere at once, and it

0:43:38.520 --> 0:43:40.200
<v Speaker 2>makes up a regular army.

0:43:40.320 --> 0:43:43.360
<v Speaker 1>Exactly. We've got this like fifty mile front, and in

0:43:43.400 --> 0:43:47.879
<v Speaker 1>a conventional European war, that would be the threat area, right,

0:43:47.960 --> 0:43:50.440
<v Speaker 1>that would be the attack. That's the area that have

0:43:50.480 --> 0:43:53.319
<v Speaker 1>to worry about. But because we have all of these

0:43:53.360 --> 0:43:55.920
<v Speaker 1>tiny little units of guys on camel who are capable

0:43:55.920 --> 0:43:58.080
<v Speaker 1>of traveling for weeks at a time and then carrying

0:43:58.080 --> 0:44:01.440
<v Speaker 1>out insurgent attacks, actual area they have to defend is

0:44:01.480 --> 0:44:05.719
<v Speaker 1>eight hundred miles deep, and so they can't attack and

0:44:05.840 --> 0:44:08.399
<v Speaker 1>care and regain the initiative the way they otherwise would

0:44:08.400 --> 0:44:10.880
<v Speaker 1>be able to because they have to have forces split

0:44:10.880 --> 0:44:13.839
<v Speaker 1>off and be aware of all of these potential everywhere

0:44:13.960 --> 0:44:17.440
<v Speaker 1>is vulnerable, right and by doing that, we don't actually

0:44:17.440 --> 0:44:20.680
<v Speaker 1>even have to carry out all that many attacks. Just

0:44:20.840 --> 0:44:24.600
<v Speaker 1>the reality of our threat opens possibilities to us.

0:44:25.800 --> 0:44:26.000
<v Speaker 3>Now.

0:44:26.000 --> 0:44:29.000
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of like the Ira is a we only

0:44:29.000 --> 0:44:30.520
<v Speaker 2>have to be lucky ones. You have to be lucky

0:44:30.560 --> 0:44:31.080
<v Speaker 2>every time.

0:44:31.320 --> 0:44:35.319
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, that's what he is starting to realize here.

0:44:35.600 --> 0:44:37.919
<v Speaker 1>You know, the better Wins know the terrain much better

0:44:37.920 --> 0:44:40.040
<v Speaker 1>than the Turks, who are not locals, and they can

0:44:40.120 --> 0:44:44.040
<v Speaker 1>travel in small groups almost indefinitely with minimal need for resupply,

0:44:44.640 --> 0:44:47.879
<v Speaker 1>launching frontal attacks with these things, and there's not many

0:44:47.960 --> 0:44:49.920
<v Speaker 1>of them. The better Wines are not in numerous people.

0:44:49.960 --> 0:44:52.680
<v Speaker 1>These are you know, nomads are not a high population

0:44:52.920 --> 0:44:56.560
<v Speaker 1>group in the desert, so you don't want to use

0:44:56.600 --> 0:45:00.239
<v Speaker 1>them the way British officers instinctively wanted to use them,

0:45:00.239 --> 0:45:03.040
<v Speaker 1>by like sending them to run at guns until they

0:45:03.040 --> 0:45:05.359
<v Speaker 1>were all gone. That is kind of what a lot

0:45:05.400 --> 0:45:07.960
<v Speaker 1>of Lawrence's superior sye is like, Well, this is how

0:45:08.000 --> 0:45:09.680
<v Speaker 1>you fight a war, right, we just throw them at

0:45:09.680 --> 0:45:11.479
<v Speaker 1>guns and like, oh, they're not good at being thrown

0:45:11.480 --> 0:45:13.960
<v Speaker 1>at guns. There's there's this whole thing. The British like

0:45:14.040 --> 0:45:17.920
<v Speaker 1>really have this distaste for these these better win troops

0:45:17.960 --> 0:45:21.319
<v Speaker 1>because like they're scared of artillery. They don't like to

0:45:21.360 --> 0:45:25.560
<v Speaker 1>get blown up. It must like their religion tells them

0:45:25.600 --> 0:45:28.000
<v Speaker 1>they won't go become whole in heaven if they get

0:45:28.000 --> 0:45:31.200
<v Speaker 1>blown up, So like fools, they're scared of field guns.

0:45:33.760 --> 0:45:39.480
<v Speaker 1>This cowardly Arab terror at being exploded. Which is funny

0:45:39.480 --> 0:45:40.799
<v Speaker 1>because is it all.

0:45:40.560 --> 0:45:43.320
<v Speaker 2>Of war changing after World War One, where we yes,

0:45:43.360 --> 0:45:46.000
<v Speaker 2>it should no one's good at running at machine gun nests.

0:45:46.120 --> 0:45:48.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah it's a bad idea.

0:45:47.560 --> 0:45:49.960
<v Speaker 1>But they still have it. The British have not really

0:45:50.040 --> 0:45:52.799
<v Speaker 1>figured this out yet. Some of them have, but like

0:45:52.920 --> 0:45:55.520
<v Speaker 1>a lot of a lot of people are still doing

0:45:55.560 --> 0:45:58.279
<v Speaker 1>the old ways. And yeah, there's like this whole Can

0:45:58.320 --> 0:46:03.560
<v Speaker 1>you believe these cowardly don't like to explode, not like

0:46:03.640 --> 0:46:07.000
<v Speaker 1>our good English boys they love blowing up in fields.

0:46:07.280 --> 0:46:14.640
<v Speaker 1>They can't blow up enough. It's so fucking funny to me.

0:46:15.120 --> 0:46:18.440
<v Speaker 1>They're just like looking at generations being wiped out in

0:46:18.480 --> 0:46:22.120
<v Speaker 1>the trenches for nothing, and like why don't the Muslims like.

0:46:22.160 --> 0:46:23.600
<v Speaker 2>This, Yeah, totally.

0:46:23.760 --> 0:46:31.440
<v Speaker 1>These primitive people hate dying. Oh, it's so funny. So

0:46:31.760 --> 0:46:35.880
<v Speaker 1>Lawrence is like, we don't we shouldn't be wasting them, right, Like,

0:46:35.920 --> 0:46:38.239
<v Speaker 1>there's not a lot of these guys, and they can

0:46:38.320 --> 0:46:40.839
<v Speaker 1>do so much more damage if we split them into

0:46:40.840 --> 0:46:43.840
<v Speaker 1>these tiny like fire teams and send them in behind

0:46:43.840 --> 0:46:46.839
<v Speaker 1>the lines to fuck shit up, right, And that will

0:46:46.880 --> 0:46:49.960
<v Speaker 1>open opportunities for us to carry out massed attacks in

0:46:50.080 --> 0:46:52.399
<v Speaker 1>areas when we have the advantage and when we can

0:46:52.440 --> 0:46:56.399
<v Speaker 1>actually sweep over them without taking nightmarish casualties, which is.

0:46:56.360 --> 0:46:59.439
<v Speaker 2>The actual reality of guerrilla wars is not just these

0:46:59.480 --> 0:47:01.759
<v Speaker 2>isolated strike so you have to also work with the

0:47:01.880 --> 0:47:02.800
<v Speaker 2>like mass attacks.

0:47:02.880 --> 0:47:05.400
<v Speaker 1>No, it is. It's what you call that. The modern

0:47:05.480 --> 0:47:08.359
<v Speaker 1>term is, it's a strategy of tension. If you keep

0:47:08.480 --> 0:47:11.359
<v Speaker 1>enough tension on the enemy to where they have this

0:47:11.680 --> 0:47:15.120
<v Speaker 1>massive flank that they have to defend, then they will

0:47:15.120 --> 0:47:18.279
<v Speaker 1>make mistakes. They will expose areas that you then can

0:47:18.840 --> 0:47:23.960
<v Speaker 1>take with more conventional attacks. Okay, yeah, Now, Lawrence advised

0:47:23.960 --> 0:47:27.040
<v Speaker 1>his allies to move troops away from prepared defenses and

0:47:27.160 --> 0:47:29.960
<v Speaker 1>towards operating a terrain that would let them strike at

0:47:30.000 --> 0:47:34.000
<v Speaker 1>the railway with one redeployment, Faisal's men went from threatening

0:47:34.040 --> 0:47:37.719
<v Speaker 1>a single city to two hundred miles of this railway.

0:47:38.080 --> 0:47:41.480
<v Speaker 1>Lawrence began to take part in raids on isolated Turkish units,

0:47:41.520 --> 0:47:44.960
<v Speaker 1>defending chunks of railway or on patrol. Over the course

0:47:44.960 --> 0:47:47.680
<v Speaker 1>of three months, he got a feel for his Bedouin troops.

0:47:48.320 --> 0:47:51.360
<v Speaker 1>Being largely composed of family units from a culture with

0:47:51.400 --> 0:47:54.839
<v Speaker 1>a low population, they had little stomach for casualties. At

0:47:54.880 --> 0:47:59.000
<v Speaker 1>one key battle in January nineteen seventeen, the Arab forces

0:47:59.040 --> 0:48:03.240
<v Speaker 1>overran Ottoman defenders in a town called Wash, alongside British

0:48:03.239 --> 0:48:07.000
<v Speaker 1>infantry and naval support. The Brits lost one man, the

0:48:07.040 --> 0:48:10.560
<v Speaker 1>Arab tribesmen lost twenty. Now, the British officers in charge

0:48:10.560 --> 0:48:13.319
<v Speaker 1>of this operation had all fought in France, and they

0:48:13.360 --> 0:48:15.799
<v Speaker 1>were like, fucking twenty one dudes to take a town,

0:48:16.080 --> 0:48:19.319
<v Speaker 1>this is great, right, Yeah. Lawrence had to caution them

0:48:19.360 --> 0:48:22.640
<v Speaker 1>that like, no, no, no, the Bedouin don't feel like

0:48:22.680 --> 0:48:26.000
<v Speaker 1>this is a great victory quote. Instead, he feared their

0:48:26.040 --> 0:48:29.600
<v Speaker 1>deaths might easily upset Arab morale. Our rebels were not

0:48:29.840 --> 0:48:34.879
<v Speaker 1>materials like soldiers, but friends of ours, trusting in our leadership.

0:48:35.760 --> 0:48:38.880
<v Speaker 1>In his book, yeah I do love that like soldiers,

0:48:38.920 --> 0:48:42.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, they're just materials. They're trash basically, right. He's like, no, no,

0:48:42.320 --> 0:48:44.759
<v Speaker 1>these guys are our buddies and they don't like to

0:48:44.800 --> 0:48:47.680
<v Speaker 1>see their family die. Right, You're going to war with

0:48:47.719 --> 0:48:51.480
<v Speaker 1>your uncle. It's not just a casualty, right, Like that's

0:48:51.520 --> 0:48:55.719
<v Speaker 1>your uncle got killed. In his book, James Barr notes

0:48:55.760 --> 0:48:59.920
<v Speaker 1>that Lawrence later added this explanation, we were not in command, Nash,

0:49:00.360 --> 0:49:04.719
<v Speaker 1>but by invitation, and our men were volunteers, individuals, local men, relatives,

0:49:04.840 --> 0:49:07.480
<v Speaker 1>so that death was a personal sorrow to many in

0:49:07.520 --> 0:49:08.000
<v Speaker 1>the army.

0:49:09.880 --> 0:49:13.040
<v Speaker 2>I mean that's a better way to run a I mean,

0:49:13.040 --> 0:49:18.439
<v Speaker 2>I guess it's probably bad, like strategically in some why war, Yeah,

0:49:18.480 --> 0:49:20.719
<v Speaker 2>because it makes them think more carefully and instead of

0:49:20.719 --> 0:49:22.200
<v Speaker 2>just throwing people in the machine gun us.

0:49:22.320 --> 0:49:24.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, yeah, it is. It is the right and

0:49:24.760 --> 0:49:28.640
<v Speaker 1>it's why this this war that that is carried out

0:49:28.800 --> 0:49:31.319
<v Speaker 1>over the Arab revolt and in broader terms a lot

0:49:31.320 --> 0:49:33.239
<v Speaker 1>of because this isn't the only part of the war

0:49:33.840 --> 0:49:37.040
<v Speaker 1>in the Middle East, right, the British occurring out conventional

0:49:37.080 --> 0:49:39.640
<v Speaker 1>military actions trying to take the Holy Land in this period,

0:49:39.800 --> 0:49:41.799
<v Speaker 1>which had been disastrous up to this point. There's an

0:49:41.800 --> 0:49:45.480
<v Speaker 1>attempted invasion of Jerusalem. That's just a fucking catastrophe, you know.

0:49:45.920 --> 0:49:49.040
<v Speaker 1>But but there are more conventional attacks. But where they're

0:49:49.080 --> 0:49:52.720
<v Speaker 1>taking and like large chunks of land and like entire

0:49:53.000 --> 0:49:56.520
<v Speaker 1>influential cities and ports. And you're seeing, like two guys

0:49:56.560 --> 0:49:58.799
<v Speaker 1>died in this battle, right, two of our giants, right,

0:49:58.840 --> 0:50:01.960
<v Speaker 1>Like that is the thing where Lawrence is active, because

0:50:02.000 --> 0:50:03.200
<v Speaker 1>they are thinking smart.

0:50:03.640 --> 0:50:05.600
<v Speaker 2>You know that. That's cool.

0:50:05.960 --> 0:50:10.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's pretty cool. Now. One of the reasons why

0:50:10.040 --> 0:50:11.759
<v Speaker 1>the Europeans had not felt, as I said, that the

0:50:11.760 --> 0:50:13.920
<v Speaker 1>Bedouins could be good soldiers is that they're scared of

0:50:14.040 --> 0:50:17.400
<v Speaker 1>artillery and Lawrence. In these letters he's writing back to

0:50:17.560 --> 0:50:21.120
<v Speaker 1>like the British General staff argues this is they're not

0:50:21.360 --> 0:50:24.200
<v Speaker 1>scared of hardship itself. Like they're not scared of fighting.

0:50:24.200 --> 0:50:27.160
<v Speaker 1>They're not even scared of dying, you know. He writes

0:50:27.160 --> 0:50:30.239
<v Speaker 1>this in Seven Pillars of Wisdom. In mass they were

0:50:30.239 --> 0:50:34.200
<v Speaker 1>not formidable, since they had no corporate spirit, nor discipline,

0:50:34.200 --> 0:50:38.560
<v Speaker 1>nor mutual confidence. The smaller the unit, the better its performance.

0:50:38.880 --> 0:50:42.080
<v Speaker 1>A thousand were a mob ineffective against a company of

0:50:42.160 --> 0:50:45.360
<v Speaker 1>trained Turks, but three or four Arabs in their hills

0:50:45.520 --> 0:50:49.680
<v Speaker 1>would stop a dozen Turks. Napoleon remarked this of the Mamluks,

0:50:49.880 --> 0:50:52.840
<v Speaker 1>we were yet too breathless to turn our hasty practice

0:50:52.880 --> 0:50:57.640
<v Speaker 1>into principle. Our tactics. We're imperial snatchings, we're empirical snatchings

0:50:57.640 --> 0:51:00.840
<v Speaker 1>of the first means to escape difficulty. We were learning

0:51:00.960 --> 0:51:04.480
<v Speaker 1>like our men. This recognition that again, you know, just

0:51:04.480 --> 0:51:07.000
<v Speaker 1>thinking about modern times is like, well, if you get

0:51:07.000 --> 0:51:09.319
<v Speaker 1>a thousand these people together, it's just chaos, right, Like

0:51:09.360 --> 0:51:11.720
<v Speaker 1>everyone's fighting with each other. People don't really get along

0:51:12.120 --> 0:51:14.360
<v Speaker 1>very well. They certainly don't trust each other in battle.

0:51:14.560 --> 0:51:16.399
<v Speaker 1>But if you separate them into these three and four

0:51:16.440 --> 0:51:20.759
<v Speaker 1>man groups, then you can make them extremely effective, right,

0:51:20.960 --> 0:51:23.560
<v Speaker 1>and then maybe occasionally take the risk of having them

0:51:23.600 --> 0:51:25.120
<v Speaker 1>carry out larger actions.

0:51:25.520 --> 0:51:27.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean this is the way that I would

0:51:27.480 --> 0:51:29.120
<v Speaker 2>assume my friends would be useful.

0:51:29.360 --> 0:51:34.160
<v Speaker 1>Yes, right, Yeah, So his first few months in theater,

0:51:34.239 --> 0:51:36.440
<v Speaker 1>we're too chaotic and violent for much in the way

0:51:36.480 --> 0:51:40.719
<v Speaker 1>of groundbreaking strategy. Overwhelt arcing strategy to occur to him, right,

0:51:40.760 --> 0:51:43.840
<v Speaker 1>He's kind of it's catches catch can. But later in March,

0:51:43.960 --> 0:51:47.000
<v Speaker 1>Lawrence gets lucky, by which I mean he nearly dies

0:51:47.040 --> 0:51:50.440
<v Speaker 1>from another one of his constant illnesses. He gets this

0:51:50.560 --> 0:51:53.840
<v Speaker 1>horrible mix of like boils and malaria and the shits

0:51:54.120 --> 0:51:59.160
<v Speaker 1>that malaria shit. Yeah, he spends ten days dying in

0:51:59.200 --> 0:52:02.839
<v Speaker 1>a tent. To distract himself from dying, he spends all

0:52:02.880 --> 0:52:06.279
<v Speaker 1>of the time kind of like hallucinating from dehydration and

0:52:06.320 --> 0:52:10.800
<v Speaker 1>writing out the most influential military theory of the century.

0:52:11.040 --> 0:52:15.719
<v Speaker 1>And he's consolidating here these years of military theory that

0:52:15.760 --> 0:52:18.239
<v Speaker 1>he had studied back in school and applying it to

0:52:18.280 --> 0:52:21.000
<v Speaker 1>his experiences thus far in the Hajahs. And as he's

0:52:21.040 --> 0:52:23.080
<v Speaker 1>trying to do this, his mind is drawn to an

0:52:23.160 --> 0:52:26.840
<v Speaker 1>Austrian general, Maurice de Sachs, who back in the early

0:52:26.920 --> 0:52:29.759
<v Speaker 1>seventeen hundred, had decided that the generals of his day

0:52:30.040 --> 0:52:33.600
<v Speaker 1>spent too much time worried about tactical details. How do

0:52:33.680 --> 0:52:35.960
<v Speaker 1>I move this unit in opposition to this unit right

0:52:36.040 --> 0:52:38.040
<v Speaker 1>in order to get a flight? How do I get

0:52:38.040 --> 0:52:40.600
<v Speaker 1>this unit of riflemen? How do I get cavalry around

0:52:40.600 --> 0:52:43.040
<v Speaker 1>their side to flank this one group of guys? Right,

0:52:43.080 --> 0:52:46.880
<v Speaker 1>that's a tactical problem, right, And Desas is like, really

0:52:47.080 --> 0:52:51.080
<v Speaker 1>the game is figuring out larger operational concerns what he

0:52:51.160 --> 0:52:55.680
<v Speaker 1>cal calls the higher problems of War Now. Interestingly enough,

0:52:55.760 --> 0:52:57.880
<v Speaker 1>Desacks had written his book, which is kind of the

0:52:57.920 --> 0:53:01.640
<v Speaker 1>precursor to Lawrence's groundbreaking work, while he was dying for

0:53:01.680 --> 0:53:02.600
<v Speaker 1>two weeks in a tent.

0:53:04.080 --> 0:53:04.919
<v Speaker 2>I mean it makes sense.

0:53:04.920 --> 0:53:09.760
<v Speaker 1>It's like, although you're a soldier, that's what you do. Yeah, yeah,

0:53:09.880 --> 0:53:12.760
<v Speaker 1>two things soldiers love cigarettes and dying intents.

0:53:13.239 --> 0:53:15.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:53:15.560 --> 0:53:18.360
<v Speaker 1>So, Dsas had written a book about war that provided

0:53:18.360 --> 0:53:21.360
<v Speaker 1>the framework for Lawrence's understanding of how the Bedouins fought.

0:53:21.760 --> 0:53:24.160
<v Speaker 1>An article I found helpful in all this is t e.

0:53:24.280 --> 0:53:26.359
<v Speaker 1>Lawrence and the Art of War in the twenty first

0:53:26.360 --> 0:53:31.280
<v Speaker 1>Century by George GOWRICHI. He writes, Dessas offered a theory

0:53:31.400 --> 0:53:33.600
<v Speaker 1>of war based on the model of a general who

0:53:33.640 --> 0:53:36.920
<v Speaker 1>practiced the dictum that a war might be won without

0:53:36.960 --> 0:53:40.000
<v Speaker 1>fighting battles. Whether Lawrence was aware of this or not,

0:53:40.120 --> 0:53:43.120
<v Speaker 1>others had presented a similar ideal some twenty five hundred

0:53:43.200 --> 0:53:47.279
<v Speaker 1>years earlier. Sons sue the most famous Yeah exactly, Yeah,

0:53:47.400 --> 0:53:49.080
<v Speaker 1>soun Su has a quote about this, right, and he's

0:53:49.080 --> 0:53:51.600
<v Speaker 1>the guy. You'll see him recommended often today in the

0:53:51.640 --> 0:53:53.839
<v Speaker 1>reading of Instagram posts of guys who want to sell

0:53:53.840 --> 0:53:55.600
<v Speaker 1>you one regulated testosterone.

0:53:55.680 --> 0:53:58.280
<v Speaker 2>I know, las still worth reading it's still.

0:53:58.080 --> 0:54:01.080
<v Speaker 1>Worth reading, and Lawrence is going to he's not reading

0:54:01.120 --> 0:54:02.960
<v Speaker 1>Sun Sux here, but he's going to use Disacks who

0:54:03.000 --> 0:54:05.719
<v Speaker 1>saying a similar thing in a very useful way. It

0:54:05.719 --> 0:54:08.200
<v Speaker 1>has become clear to him that the Automan ability to

0:54:08.239 --> 0:54:12.160
<v Speaker 1>project power rested entirely on the Jjah's railway, which were

0:54:12.239 --> 0:54:14.279
<v Speaker 1>in the length of the peninsula and cut through this

0:54:14.400 --> 0:54:18.799
<v Speaker 1>infinity of desert. But the railway was incredibly vulnerable. It

0:54:18.880 --> 0:54:21.520
<v Speaker 1>is so long you can't have men stationed on every

0:54:21.560 --> 0:54:24.360
<v Speaker 1>inch of it, and Ottoman troops have very little ability

0:54:24.400 --> 0:54:28.440
<v Speaker 1>to maneuver outside of where the railway takes them. Now,

0:54:28.480 --> 0:54:30.640
<v Speaker 1>any fool with soldiers can tell you that if your

0:54:30.760 --> 0:54:34.160
<v Speaker 1>enemy has a train, blow it up. But Lawrence is

0:54:34.200 --> 0:54:36.480
<v Speaker 1>smarter than this. He's like, no, no, no, don't blow

0:54:36.520 --> 0:54:38.719
<v Speaker 1>it up. That's the worst thing to do. If you

0:54:38.840 --> 0:54:42.000
<v Speaker 1>destroy the train so it can't operate, your enemy has

0:54:42.040 --> 0:54:45.000
<v Speaker 1>to adapt and find a different way of getting troops

0:54:45.000 --> 0:54:48.160
<v Speaker 1>and supplies in theater. And when they adapt, that will

0:54:48.160 --> 0:54:51.280
<v Speaker 1>make them less vulnerable to you. If you just buck

0:54:51.360 --> 0:54:55.000
<v Speaker 1>with the railway constantly damaging bits and pieces of it,

0:54:55.280 --> 0:54:58.080
<v Speaker 1>they'll have to keep repairing it. They'll have to keep

0:54:58.120 --> 0:55:00.799
<v Speaker 1>sending troops to these different areas to repair it. They're

0:55:00.840 --> 0:55:02.880
<v Speaker 1>going to have their repair crews, they're going to be

0:55:02.920 --> 0:55:07.239
<v Speaker 1>like spending resources to do this. And every resource that

0:55:07.280 --> 0:55:11.000
<v Speaker 1>they scramble to defend and repair this railway is a

0:55:11.040 --> 0:55:14.000
<v Speaker 1>source that's not out there actually pressing the attack or

0:55:14.040 --> 0:55:18.520
<v Speaker 1>defending other territory. Right, you want to keep them on

0:55:18.600 --> 0:55:21.000
<v Speaker 1>the railway. You just want to fuck with it a

0:55:21.040 --> 0:55:26.440
<v Speaker 1>little bit, you know. Yeah. World military Yeah.

0:55:25.960 --> 0:55:27.520
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Now, I'm like, yep, this is this man.

0:55:28.000 --> 0:55:31.360
<v Speaker 1>This man is smart. This is a guy with some

0:55:31.400 --> 0:55:35.840
<v Speaker 1>stuff going on under the hood. Yeah. Now, world military

0:55:35.880 --> 0:55:38.799
<v Speaker 1>history is filled with insurgent movements. Alexander the Great dealt

0:55:38.800 --> 0:55:40.480
<v Speaker 1>with this shit, and he was not the first imperial

0:55:40.520 --> 0:55:43.359
<v Speaker 1>warlord to do so. What makes Laurence special is not

0:55:43.440 --> 0:55:46.680
<v Speaker 1>just his understanding of gorilla tactics, but how to marry

0:55:46.719 --> 0:55:51.080
<v Speaker 1>them to the larger greater power struggle. And here's Gowerchee again.

0:55:51.760 --> 0:55:54.640
<v Speaker 1>In developing his own theory of a regular war, Lawrence

0:55:54.680 --> 0:55:59.920
<v Speaker 1>identified three key elements for analysis, the algebraic, the biological,

0:56:00.120 --> 0:56:04.200
<v Speaker 1>and the psychological. The algebraic element of things refers to

0:56:04.200 --> 0:56:07.239
<v Speaker 1>the physical environment that has shaped warfare in the Hejahs.

0:56:07.560 --> 0:56:10.800
<v Speaker 1>For Lawrence, this was the decisive moment. Using simple math,

0:56:10.920 --> 0:56:13.839
<v Speaker 1>Lawrence calculate at the size of territory held by the

0:56:13.880 --> 0:56:16.800
<v Speaker 1>Arabs in relation to the number of Ottoman troops in theater.

0:56:17.200 --> 0:56:20.080
<v Speaker 1>The Ottomans, with only sixteen thousand troops in Arabia and

0:56:20.120 --> 0:56:22.720
<v Speaker 1>with a shortage of staunch Arab allies among the tribes,

0:56:23.120 --> 0:56:26.840
<v Speaker 1>lacked enough soldiers to establish effective control over one hundred

0:56:26.840 --> 0:56:30.880
<v Speaker 1>and forty thousand square miles of territory geogret geography. The

0:56:30.960 --> 0:56:34.760
<v Speaker 1>vast desert gave the Arab revolt sanctuaries that the Ottomans

0:56:34.800 --> 0:56:37.120
<v Speaker 1>could not seize and hold for any length of time.

0:56:37.480 --> 0:56:40.400
<v Speaker 1>As noted by Lawrence, to make more war upon rebellion

0:56:40.520 --> 0:56:43.920
<v Speaker 1>is messy and slow, like eating soup with a knife.

0:56:44.800 --> 0:56:45.840
<v Speaker 1>I just love is writing.

0:56:46.000 --> 0:56:47.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:56:47.360 --> 0:56:50.239
<v Speaker 1>The Arabs possessed safe havens in the Vast Desert and

0:56:50.280 --> 0:56:52.799
<v Speaker 1>therefore had the time to conduct a protracted struggle. They

0:56:52.840 --> 0:56:55.640
<v Speaker 1>received critical assistance from the British Army, an army that

0:56:55.719 --> 0:56:59.640
<v Speaker 1>posed serious threat to Palestine. Consequently, the Ottoman high command

0:56:59.680 --> 0:57:01.920
<v Speaker 1>fell to could ill afford to spare additional troops to

0:57:02.000 --> 0:57:05.560
<v Speaker 1>quell the Arab uprising. Foreign assistance and a distracted enemy

0:57:05.600 --> 0:57:08.640
<v Speaker 1>proved a window of opportunity for the rebellious Arabs. So

0:57:08.760 --> 0:57:11.400
<v Speaker 1>key part of this it's not just that we're threatening

0:57:11.440 --> 0:57:13.880
<v Speaker 1>this whole area. We're threatening this train, and that diverts

0:57:13.880 --> 0:57:18.560
<v Speaker 1>Ottoman troops, the Great Power War, the British army that

0:57:18.600 --> 0:57:21.480
<v Speaker 1>hasn't succeeded in taking the Holy Land, but threatens it

0:57:21.880 --> 0:57:25.040
<v Speaker 1>also blocks troops away, and so he is looking at

0:57:25.080 --> 0:57:28.640
<v Speaker 1>Lawrence is looking at these very local, small unit actions

0:57:29.080 --> 0:57:32.320
<v Speaker 1>in the as part of this grander struggle, which is exactly,

0:57:32.840 --> 0:57:36.120
<v Speaker 1>by the way, what the Vietnamese are going to do, right.

0:57:36.600 --> 0:57:38.919
<v Speaker 1>They don't have this vast desert, but they have Lao

0:57:39.040 --> 0:57:41.640
<v Speaker 1>and Cambodia. They have these underground tunnels. This is their

0:57:41.680 --> 0:57:45.440
<v Speaker 1>safe haven, right. And what the viet Cong are doing

0:57:45.520 --> 0:57:48.960
<v Speaker 1>very much exists not just in concert with the greater

0:57:49.040 --> 0:57:52.240
<v Speaker 1>struggle being waged by other Vietnamese elements like the NVA,

0:57:52.400 --> 0:57:55.760
<v Speaker 1>this conventional army, but in the greater power struggle of

0:57:55.800 --> 0:57:59.080
<v Speaker 1>the Cold War, all of these different conflicts that have

0:57:59.120 --> 0:58:01.320
<v Speaker 1>an impact on who can and resources where and what

0:58:01.360 --> 0:58:03.200
<v Speaker 1>can be sent ware right and how much things can

0:58:03.240 --> 0:58:03.960
<v Speaker 1>be escalated.

0:58:04.240 --> 0:58:04.439
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:58:04.720 --> 0:58:06.480
<v Speaker 1>Lawrence is the guy who was writing out this is

0:58:06.520 --> 0:58:10.280
<v Speaker 1>how you think about a conflict that is so broad

0:58:10.520 --> 0:58:14.080
<v Speaker 1>in scope it boggles your mind. Right, Yeah, that's where

0:58:14.080 --> 0:58:15.560
<v Speaker 1>a lot of his genius comes in.

0:58:16.320 --> 0:58:19.080
<v Speaker 2>No, that makes sense because yeah, is that called grand

0:58:19.120 --> 0:58:22.320
<v Speaker 2>strategy or is that? Yeah?

0:58:22.320 --> 0:58:24.439
<v Speaker 1>Definitely this is grand strategy, right.

0:58:25.320 --> 0:58:27.200
<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of people are bad at that

0:58:27.240 --> 0:58:30.600
<v Speaker 2>because we're good at thinking about We all think about tactics, right,

0:58:30.600 --> 0:58:32.960
<v Speaker 2>and then we even sometimes think about strategic goals, but

0:58:33.000 --> 0:58:35.320
<v Speaker 2>we're rarely thinking about how that one strategic goal is

0:58:35.360 --> 0:58:38.640
<v Speaker 2>going to affect how a different political power is going

0:58:38.640 --> 0:58:40.840
<v Speaker 2>to be impacted and what they're going to do.

0:58:41.000 --> 0:58:43.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's the mind of a don't where it's the

0:58:43.200 --> 0:58:45.800
<v Speaker 1>mind of you know, it's domino theory. It's almost he

0:58:45.840 --> 0:58:49.320
<v Speaker 1>almost thinks about war the way an electrician has to think, right,

0:58:49.320 --> 0:58:50.880
<v Speaker 1>where you can't just be thinking about where does this

0:58:50.960 --> 0:58:52.720
<v Speaker 1>problem in this circuit? But how does all of this

0:58:52.800 --> 0:58:55.800
<v Speaker 1>connect to this broader structure of like circuits and this

0:58:55.840 --> 0:58:58.680
<v Speaker 1>broader flow of power? Right, He's thinking about the flow

0:58:58.720 --> 0:59:01.080
<v Speaker 1>of power, right, very literal sense.

0:59:01.480 --> 0:59:03.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that engineering.

0:59:03.960 --> 0:59:06.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he is an he is an engineer of war.

0:59:06.800 --> 0:59:07.200
<v Speaker 2>WHOA.

0:59:07.480 --> 0:59:11.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well this is what elevates Lawrence is understanding beyond

0:59:11.400 --> 0:59:14.440
<v Speaker 1>being just another gorilla leader. These basic elements, this local

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<v Speaker 1>gorilla force, pinning down an undermanned opponent, retreating to a

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<v Speaker 1>safe haven backed by a foreign power its self, and

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<v Speaker 1>separate conflict or conflicts with the occupier. This is how

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<v Speaker 1>you would describe every great conflict of the last seventy

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<v Speaker 1>five years, right like, this is what this is what

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<v Speaker 1>everything is, right, this is there's a lot of Israel

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<v Speaker 1>Palestine in here, right in this conflict between You've got

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<v Speaker 1>Israel and the United States back and then you've got

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<v Speaker 1>Iran supporting you know, his Bellah and hamas. You know

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<v Speaker 1>these are This is the nature, the basic nature of

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<v Speaker 1>all modern conflict. Really yeah, In other words, I just

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<v Speaker 1>find this stuff cool. One of the many things that

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<v Speaker 1>sets Lawrence apart from his colleagues is that he also

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<v Speaker 1>has an understanding of his limitations. He knows, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a white guy. I cannot be the leader of

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<v Speaker 1>a grand erab revolt. That is not my place. But

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<v Speaker 1>he also knows how to fin leaders and craft propaganda

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<v Speaker 1>around them to turn them into heroes. And one of

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<v Speaker 1>these heroes is a guy who's one of the coolest

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<v Speaker 1>figures in this although he's also he's someone who does

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of back dealing and wheeling and dealing, but

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<v Speaker 1>Lawrence meets him in eighteen seven or in nineteen seventeen.

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<v Speaker 1>In April, Aouda Abu Tai of the Howitat tribe, a

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<v Speaker 1>passage from Schneider's book That I Loves gives you an

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<v Speaker 1>idea of like what a fucking almost yeah a storybook

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<v Speaker 1>character this you could hardly invent like a cooler sounding

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<v Speaker 1>protagonist centuries earlier, the Howitat arrived from the Hajahs, and

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<v Speaker 1>now their clans prided themselves on being true nomads in

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<v Speaker 1>the Bedouin manner. Aouda was a tribal archetype, a heroic

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<v Speaker 1>leader and warrior in the tradition of co chiefs, Geronimo,

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<v Speaker 1>crazy horse, sitting bull. His generosity made him poor, as

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<v Speaker 1>his growing legend made him ever richer in reputation. He

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<v Speaker 1>had taken twenty eight wives during his adult life. His

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<v Speaker 1>body bore the scars of thirteen wounds. He had seen

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<v Speaker 1>most of his relations slain in countless raids. Aouda had

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<v Speaker 1>slain seven five Arabs with his own hand. How many

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<v Speaker 1>turks Outa did not tally hit them, They simply did

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<v Speaker 1>not count His retinue, compromise, the fiercest men of the

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<v Speaker 1>tribe fighting about sides Auta with relentless courage. I've killed

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<v Speaker 1>seven personally in a hand to hand combat. It's killed

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<v Speaker 1>seventy five of the men that I consider men for

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<v Speaker 1>people who county, which is like, I mean, this guy

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<v Speaker 1>is also a monster, but you know you can't like

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<v Speaker 1>undeniably badass. Yeah, yeah. I think paragraphs like this help

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<v Speaker 1>make it clear. Also why Lawrence finds the Bedouin way

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<v Speaker 1>of war so much more intoxicating than say, the Western Front.

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<v Speaker 1>If you, if you're a drafty in the Western Front,

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<v Speaker 1>your combat leader's prior life experience was like competing with

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<v Speaker 1>other rich kids to molest underclassmen and eton, right, Whereas

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<v Speaker 1>if in this war, if you wind up under Auta,

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<v Speaker 1>it's this guy from like, yeah, from like a fucking

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<v Speaker 1>story book, right, Yeah, you know, a swashbuckling figure. And

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<v Speaker 1>Lawrence is a romantic, right, he is still enthralled with

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<v Speaker 1>medieval poems of knights and ladies. This is catnip to him, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Like there was no chance him not being on these

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<v Speaker 1>guys side once he starts to meet these people. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>at the time they met Aouda had about five hundred fighters,

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<v Speaker 1>half as many as he brought into the war. A

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<v Speaker 1>desert pirate, he was frustrated trying to fight a conventional war.

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<v Speaker 1>I woulda saw himself as an epic hero. Schneider notes,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy, in addition to everything I've said, refers to

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<v Speaker 1>himself exclusively in the third person.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, of course he does.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course he does. That's what you expect from a

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<v Speaker 1>man who has killed dozens of men in hand to

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<v Speaker 1>hand combat. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>By the time he gets your tenth wound and your

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<v Speaker 2>seventieth man, who actually counts, you start referring to the person,

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<v Speaker 2>right right.

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<v Speaker 1>Lawrence sat down with Faisal and Aouda and explained his

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<v Speaker 1>new theories about how the war should be run. He

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<v Speaker 1>built to a thrilling conclusion where he argued that rather

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<v Speaker 1>than being out numbered and out gunned, the far more

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<v Speaker 1>nobile Bedouins had a chance to attain superiority of men

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<v Speaker 1>in materiel where it mattered. Quote, but think of it

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<v Speaker 1>in regular terms. We are stronger than the Turks and

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<v Speaker 1>transport machine guns, cars and high explosives. At the decisive point,

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<v Speaker 1>we can deploy a highly mobile, lightly equipped, striking force

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<v Speaker 1>of the smallest size and use it successively. It distributed

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<v Speaker 1>points along the Turkish line to force them to strengthen

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<v Speaker 1>their posts beyond the usual twenty men. This will be

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<v Speaker 1>our shortcut to success. Right, This is this other recommendation.

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<v Speaker 1>War battles always go to who has the numbers, who

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<v Speaker 1>has the most men and guns. But that doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 1>who has the most men and guns in total. It

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<v Speaker 1>means where it matters, right, Yeah, I mean it matters

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<v Speaker 1>right exactly. You don't fight when you're gonna lose, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Lawrence assured auDA and Faisal that allowing the Ottomans to

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<v Speaker 1>keep Medina and the railway would work because it would

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<v Speaker 1>keep their forces bottled up trying to defend these things

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<v Speaker 1>while the Arabs took everything else. Quote. His stupidity will

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<v Speaker 1>be our ally, for he believes that his success depends

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<v Speaker 1>on holding as many of the older provinces is possible.

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<v Speaker 1>This pride in his imperial heritage will keep him in

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<v Speaker 1>his present absurd position. All flanks and no front. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>if you remember nothing else about the way empires think

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<v Speaker 1>and function from these episodes, remember this, all flanks and

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<v Speaker 1>no front. They can't really help themselves. That's just the

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<v Speaker 1>way they are anyway, This is fascinating.

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<v Speaker 2>I like this stuff, Like I wonder how much I

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<v Speaker 2>wonder how much this still does or doesn't work, right,

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<v Speaker 2>because you know the idea of like oh and then

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<v Speaker 2>we disappear into the hills. I mean, I guess the

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<v Speaker 2>Taliban did that to the US and Afghanistan, so I

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<v Speaker 2>guess it is successfully.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think it does work. It just people

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<v Speaker 1>don't always get it right, you know, Like we're looking

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<v Speaker 1>right now at what's happening on a strategic level. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not talking a moral level necessarily, but like in Gaza,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, with what Hamas you know, has been doing,

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<v Speaker 1>is this going to work out?

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<v Speaker 3>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>Was it a good strategy? Is this going to where

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<v Speaker 1>we did? We simply don't know, like good strategy in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of will they achieve ultimately their goals, that's unknown, right, Right,

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<v Speaker 1>we can look at what the Taliban did and say

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<v Speaker 1>they very successfully employed a version of this strategy and

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<v Speaker 1>it worked for them, right, And we can look at

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<v Speaker 1>we can look at to an extent Iran in Iraq, right,

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<v Speaker 1>an Iranian influence in Iraq and the degree of political

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<v Speaker 1>power that it's given them in the modern day state

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<v Speaker 1>and like the damage that they did to the United

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<v Speaker 1>States as another example of like, well, yeah, this is

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<v Speaker 1>the you know, they were fairly successful, not to the

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<v Speaker 1>same extent that Taliban was, but fairly successful with a

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<v Speaker 1>strategy like this, right when you also.

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<v Speaker 2>Get into the sort of fourth generational warfare thing, right,

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<v Speaker 2>like those who control the hearts and minds of the

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<v Speaker 2>people are the people who control the people. Like so

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, which is why, I mean, it's why even

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<v Speaker 2>the right wing wants to do mutual a It is

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<v Speaker 2>like literally, whoever is feeding the people is if you

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<v Speaker 2>feed people, that that's where their allegiance, right, yeah, the

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<v Speaker 2>system that feeds them. And but it's interesting because in

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<v Speaker 2>a situation like this, it's just home territory. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>the Ottomans haven't really I don't know enough about how

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<v Speaker 2>the Ottomans were exerting power in that region.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, yeah, I mean the same way empires generally did.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, mostly attractively with some posts.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, and they're not great at it right again,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the Ottomans are a failing empire, right Yeah, anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>cool stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep, Magpie, do you have a new book that people

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<v Speaker 3>can buy?

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<v Speaker 2>I do have a new book that people can buy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called The Sapling Cage. And if you like amazing

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<v Speaker 2>people running around who travel and do small scale conflict,

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<v Speaker 2>you might like this story about a young trans girl

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<v Speaker 2>who wants to go be a witch and learns how

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<v Speaker 2>to spear fight, because in my book, which is learn

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<v Speaker 2>how to spear fight before they learn how to use magic.

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<v Speaker 1>And hey, maybe learn how to spear fight yourself. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's very What the Greeks always said about it is

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<v Speaker 1>that it kind of just comes naturally. There's very little

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<v Speaker 1>training really that you need. Poke a man with a spear.

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<v Speaker 1>It's surprisingly easy. That's what John Brown thought too.

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<v Speaker 2>Or not goodbye, it didn't work out well for him.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm like, actually it didn't work out, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean strategic goals were successful.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, yeah, I mean yes, all right, yeah, so anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>byey make a Spear.

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