Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club Cowboys. This is Talking
Speaker 1: Cowboys training live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at
Speaker 1: the Star in Friscoota. And now your hosts Isaiah Stanback,
Speaker 1: heck Ma Harrison, Rob Phillips, and Kyle Yeoman's it's another
Speaker 1: edition of Talking Cowboys here from the s WBC studios
Speaker 1: at the Star in Frisco. It's not only a TCT,
Speaker 1: heck Ma Harrison, it is a Mini Camp TCT because
Speaker 1: Mini Camp Mandatory Mini camps are underway today from the
Speaker 1: Star in Frisco the next three days, a preview to
Speaker 1: what Oxnard will be coming up in the latter parts
Speaker 1: of July. But then we hit a bit of a break.
Speaker 1: We hit this mini camp and then we hit a break,
Speaker 1: and so we're gonna break it down for you Today
Speaker 1: is always alongside my great buddy heck Ma Harrison. That's it.
Speaker 1: That's the only people in the studio. It's all we've got.
Speaker 1: We had an earlier show today because of Mini Camp
Speaker 1: because the schedule gets pushed up and Mike McCarthy as
Speaker 1: a press conference, and then we've got practice at eleven
Speaker 1: thirty that the media is able to go out and watch,
Speaker 1: but I guess we were the only ones that got
Speaker 1: to memo. Yeah, it seems as though that is the case.
Speaker 1: But men, like you said, man, this is a this
Speaker 1: is a great day. It's a great day. Mini camp
Speaker 1: is on and Rob pie Island. Hello, sir, how are
Speaker 1: you hello? Yeah, he's in here. He was doing actual work,
Speaker 1: so we give him flat but but no, I mean
Speaker 1: it's just literally, today is that day mandatory. So everybody
Speaker 1: hands on deck. It's been voluntary falling air quote voluntary before,
Speaker 1: but now all hands on deck, everyone's got to be here.
Speaker 1: I'm just excited that obviously now media is able to
Speaker 1: be back in the building, and it's just starting to
Speaker 1: feel so much more reck normal. And I almost hesitate
Speaker 1: to say that because it's like as soon as you
Speaker 1: say things feeling normal again, something happens, but it really does.
Speaker 1: It feels good to have this access, to be able
Speaker 1: to watch practice in person, be able to listen to
Speaker 1: these interviews after practice. It's just awesome. Man. It's just
Speaker 1: it's a vibe of buzz in the building that's set
Speaker 1: off the fire alarms. Pe so last call for us Yeah,
Speaker 1: fire alarm. That was that was That was fun. I
Speaker 1: was trying to finish up something on the website. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and now I'm here and I've got a little bit
Speaker 1: of news. Oh, break it down. Yeah, Dalton Schultz is back.
Speaker 1: He is back in the building. He will participate in
Speaker 1: the mandatory mini camp. I guess he would have been
Speaker 1: subject to fire had he not been. But we'll see
Speaker 1: if that leads to contract talks any more intensified contract talks.
Speaker 1: The other thing is I'm in shorts, hex and a
Speaker 1: Hawaiian shirt. We're all gonna be out, Yeah, we're already.
Speaker 1: This is an indoor practice. Yeah, this is indoor practice
Speaker 1: to day. Yeah, and which might be kind of cold
Speaker 1: inside for it center by the time we get outside
Speaker 1: for like eleven thirty twelve o'clock practice, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: ninety degrees, which means it's probably gonna one hundred and
Speaker 1: ten out there on the field. So I think Mike decided,
Speaker 1: m let's let's just do this not today, not today.
Speaker 1: Well that makes me think that throughout the week they
Speaker 1: would be inside as well, because it's not supposed to
Speaker 1: get any cooler. I mean, it's not supposed to cool
Speaker 1: down at all great point. So if they're not out
Speaker 1: there today, they may they may push it for a day.
Speaker 1: I would anticipate maybe one day they'll go out there.
Speaker 1: They're not gonna tell us what day it is, so
Speaker 1: it we'll be in shorts all week long and then
Speaker 1: we'll figure it out. As soon as we get in
Speaker 1: the building and we look outside, and then on the
Speaker 1: practice field, it's, oh, there's there's nothing out there. Because
Speaker 1: I walked in them was the first thing I saw.
Speaker 1: Was just not uh, And I wasn't expecting that, and
Speaker 1: I wasn't expecting it was just the first thing that
Speaker 1: I noticed when I looked him, like, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: they're not any pads up there. Please you just keep going.
Speaker 1: We're getting an emergency alarmed Chris, I did too, is
Speaker 1: not here. I wish it was, oh gosh, what are
Speaker 1: you doing to a CBS our emergency break. Isaiah's trying
Speaker 1: to talk to He's talking with Jerry Madelon, who's been
Speaker 1: here the last couple of days giving great insight to
Speaker 1: all of the on air talent. And he just walked by,
Speaker 1: tried to get in the door, couldn't and then they
Speaker 1: just kept going. I went to open the door for
Speaker 1: him and they were going down the hall. So business
Speaker 1: calls Isaiah will be here at some point. Everybody, Well,
Speaker 1: Dalton Schultz is probably the biggest news. You mentioned it
Speaker 1: a moment ago. He is anticipated to get back into
Speaker 1: these mandatory mini camps and make things happen on the field.
Speaker 1: But off the field, it said that talks have been intensifying.
Speaker 1: Have you heard something similar of the sort. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know how much, but talking to people last week
Speaker 1: when he wasn't here, you know they want to get
Speaker 1: a deal done. That's on the Cowboys side. Now. There
Speaker 1: hasn't been a lot of movement to this point, obviously
Speaker 1: not enough for him to feel like I got to
Speaker 1: make a point last week and not show up. But
Speaker 1: I do think that's something the Cowboys want to work towards. Now.
Speaker 1: It's under a month. Now, they've got I think twenty
Speaker 1: nine days to get it done or thirty one days
Speaker 1: to get it done. We'll see. If Dak Prescott didn't
Speaker 1: get a long term deal done in twenty twenty, then
Speaker 1: nothing's off the table. Like it wouldn't surprise me if
Speaker 1: they don't get it done. But I do think it's
Speaker 1: something the cowboys want to work towards because they do
Speaker 1: value what he brings to the table, obviously, and it
Speaker 1: would help them from a salary cap perspective too, to
Speaker 1: try to, you know, maybe lessen their cap. It creates
Speaker 1: some more space going forward. How's it going, isam? Hello? Kyle?
Speaker 1: How are you, sir? I'm great? How about you? I'm
Speaker 1: fan Tabuloso. Good. You have a good chat with Jerry? Yeah,
Speaker 1: ge mat Man. I'd love to see him. Man. Obviously
Speaker 1: we talk on the phone all the time, but it's
Speaker 1: always good to have your coach in person. This is
Speaker 1: the first time that y'all have got me. I know
Speaker 1: you met him back in the day, but did y'all
Speaker 1: beat him? Yeah? Yeah, we've met a number of times before. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah I didn't. I mean, but this this back to
Speaker 1: back days with amazing shirts. I love it. Oh it's nothing, man,
Speaker 1: It's a thing. I mean, it's summed in him. It's nice.
Speaker 1: Got a quarter. What's what's the thread account on that?
Speaker 1: I mean that looks soft and supple, soft and over
Speaker 1: nine thousand. Yeah, it's over nine thousand. Definitely. I don't
Speaker 1: think he does threat accounts. Thiggy Chris, I really kind
Speaker 1: of a backhand. No, that's no. No, No, him and
Speaker 1: I are the same. We don't like price tags, a
Speaker 1: low price tage. We'll work, We'll take it. Got it, same,
Speaker 1: same right on there. All right, let's let's preview this
Speaker 1: mini camp because specifically fans out there they want every
Speaker 1: single ounce. What's up. I'm sorry, and I don't mean
Speaker 1: to stop you. This is an interruption. It is it is.
Speaker 1: You did a celebrity run day. We're not just gonna
Speaker 1: go like I just gonna this in the second segment.
Speaker 1: Oh you were, Yeah, I'm since, but it was Wade.
Speaker 1: I was going to hit it in the second throw
Speaker 1: it out there. Yeah, I played like trash. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was disappointed. He struck out in the celebrity I did.
Speaker 1: I did not strike Yes, you did. No, I did
Speaker 1: not get hit. Two foul balls, that's strike out. That's
Speaker 1: definitely not strike strikeout. I made contact, Kim Hamlets struck out.
Speaker 1: Did you put the ball in play? I did? No?
Speaker 1: You didn't. Okay, because you want a two time because
Speaker 1: you can hit it all? Still strike out off for
Speaker 1: the second time. You fouled off both. Yeah, you left
Speaker 1: before the second one. Oh, so you want struck out
Speaker 1: in the first step bat. No, I fouled out. I
Speaker 1: have it was a foul out, and there's a strikeouts
Speaker 1: two different things. Stop it. I go on the bike
Speaker 1: out and foul out two separate. It was, Yes, it
Speaker 1: was a toss. I got video for evidence this studio.
Speaker 1: I fouled out. I guess we're just doing this foul
Speaker 1: ball doing this in the Yeah, we're gonna do that
Speaker 1: for a segment. I hit two fous my first up
Speaker 1: and my second up. I hit it into the outfield.
Speaker 1: It was a pop up. So I had a bad
Speaker 1: outing as an offensive player. That's okay. I made some
Speaker 1: good play. I threw somebody out at home. Okay. I
Speaker 1: made a couple of good catches. But that's expected. You're
Speaker 1: supposed to do that. I didn't hit will who was disappointed?
Speaker 1: Who was pitching? Who do we have pitch? I think
Speaker 1: Kevin Minch, I think was pitching. Okay, former pro, former
Speaker 1: Big leaguer, Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was under hand though
Speaker 1: we also had Cole you know. Yeah. I couldn't hit that,
Speaker 1: so you know, yes, you know, man, you got it.
Speaker 1: I didn't get past tea ball. So I'm not part
Speaker 1: of this. I'm not part of this. I'll let you
Speaker 1: guys down, so I apologize. I'll make it up another day. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I was trust me that nobody was harder on themselves
Speaker 1: than I was. I could tell. Yeah, I don't like
Speaker 1: frust for me. I just I just wanted to know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sorry, I mean you he's in here
Speaker 1: and I've been waiting to hear about that. I was
Speaker 1: looking forward to coming in here and just boasting, but
Speaker 1: I didn't do it in past years. I've been freaking amazing.
Speaker 1: This past year, I just wasn't. I'm not gonna make
Speaker 1: any excuses. Too many mine, too many didn't do well.
Speaker 1: It didn't do well. Yeah, the uh well, we'll hit
Speaker 1: Reliant and we'll hit Green Foundation at the start of
Speaker 1: the segment, just for for people that are are listening
Speaker 1: and want to hear about many camps specifically. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it wasn't great outing. There were a lot of great
Speaker 1: cowboys out there though, former cowboys, and they hang out
Speaker 1: with a lot of boys. Ken Hamlin, Evan Oglesby. It's
Speaker 1: all for a great cause. Absolutely good stuff. Yeah, really
Speaker 1: really cool day at the ballpark. And we'll hit the
Speaker 1: Green Family Foundation, which we talked about in our last
Speaker 1: episode coming up here in a little bit. But let's
Speaker 1: talk about MANI camps specifically, like I said, because fans
Speaker 1: want to know what to expect, and honestly, we are
Speaker 1: having that same conversation in the room here. What are
Speaker 1: we expecting out of mini camp? And Mike McCarthy's been
Speaker 1: very adamant about the GPS systems and about putting players
Speaker 1: through the right amount of work throughout his career here
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys. But Rob, when you look at a
Speaker 1: three day stretch like this, where you're having camp esque
Speaker 1: practices without the pads, but still a high intensity, high
Speaker 1: work level, what are you expecting from these next couple
Speaker 1: of days and how that could lead into a bit
Speaker 1: of a break before Oxnar. You know see, I don't
Speaker 1: think it's a whole lot different than OTAs. The main
Speaker 1: difference is contractually, if you don't show up Dalton Schultz,
Speaker 1: who is here, then you're, yeah, you're subject to a fine.
Speaker 1: Other than that, I think no pads, the pace of practice,
Speaker 1: like you said, the intensity, I think it's pretty much
Speaker 1: the same as OTAs. Now, I will say, if you
Speaker 1: go back to last week, there were guys he was
Speaker 1: he was being like to your point, he was being
Speaker 1: mindful of guys reps. Last week there were certain vets
Speaker 1: that did not take part in some of the stuff,
Speaker 1: and I don't think it was really injury related too.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about, you know, some of the offensive lineman
Speaker 1: Tyrann Smith, Zach Martin, Jaron Kurse, guys. He's being mindful
Speaker 1: of guys reps. And he did mention last week Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy that there's a rookie wall that's present already for
Speaker 1: guys after eight installs heading into OTA, So I think
Speaker 1: that's he's mindful of that too. So I think there's
Speaker 1: probably somewhat of a review of the of the installs
Speaker 1: and some competitive stuff. We'll see how it's scripted, but
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a heck of a lot different
Speaker 1: than what we've seen in the last three weeks what
Speaker 1: you expect to see out there specifically, you know, I
Speaker 1: think one the way that OTAs has changed probably a
Speaker 1: lot less physical than back when when you played. So
Speaker 1: you know, I think for like say, for instance, for
Speaker 1: the defense, it's all about reading, react and having your keys.
Speaker 1: Now you've been in the system for two years, and
Speaker 1: I think for dan Quinn that's all he wants to see.
Speaker 1: He wants to see his guys in different scenarios, different sets.
Speaker 1: How do we cover bunch, how do we cover trips,
Speaker 1: how do we cover twins? Things like that. You know,
Speaker 1: in the defense, I've seen a lot of guys moving around,
Speaker 1: So I think that position lex that we talk about,
Speaker 1: We're starting to see a lot of that become apparent
Speaker 1: with guys like Chauncey Gholston. How does Dante Fowler, you know,
Speaker 1: his impact on this defense, him being able to upload
Speaker 1: what you know Dan Quinn has been teaching. But I
Speaker 1: think for me, I want to see this team because
Speaker 1: coaches always say I don't coach penalties. This is a
Speaker 1: team that was the most penalized team in the NFL
Speaker 1: last year, and holding penalties plague them. You just go
Speaker 1: back to the playoff game, which has a bad taste
Speaker 1: in everyone's mouth. You know, those penalties really was the
Speaker 1: difference in the game, although all you can think of
Speaker 1: is Dak running out of time and on that last play.
Speaker 1: But seriously, these are just the things that I think
Speaker 1: that this team has to go into this season thinking
Speaker 1: we got to clean up some of these penalties before
Speaker 1: the defense is just the read and react portion of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so that the fans understand the priority during
Speaker 1: Mini campus, just the expectation levels raised, right. We expect
Speaker 1: you now to understand what you're supposed to be doing.
Speaker 1: We expect you now to apply the install that we've
Speaker 1: done over the past however many weeks. We expect you
Speaker 1: to have that tightened down now, right, Like, you can't
Speaker 1: make those same mistakes. You can't say you don't know,
Speaker 1: you can't say that you forgot, you can't line up incorrectly,
Speaker 1: you can't make the wrong read. The expectation now is
Speaker 1: that this is a rough draft or what we're going
Speaker 1: to hit at the end of July here, and you
Speaker 1: need to have these things tightened down. So it's kind
Speaker 1: of like you're it's kind of like a mid term, right,
Speaker 1: It's kind of like a midterm, Like it's not your
Speaker 1: final grade, right, but it's gonna give us a great idea.
Speaker 1: It's gonna give us a great idea of what to
Speaker 1: expect here towards the end of it, towards when it
Speaker 1: actually matters. And that's exactly where these guys are at
Speaker 1: right now. So guys are they should be in shape
Speaker 1: now right there? Shouldn't. There shouldn't be guys out there
Speaker 1: huffing and puffing in terns where they worried weeks ago,
Speaker 1: you know. So there's no conditioning element to it, and
Speaker 1: there's no mental failure. There shouldn't be at least no
Speaker 1: mental fatigue. You should know exactly what you need to
Speaker 1: be doing, and you should be in a position physically
Speaker 1: and mentally in order in position to be able to
Speaker 1: execute it. But if for the average fan that doesn't
Speaker 1: know and understand what all of that means for the season,
Speaker 1: like everything that you're talking about, what is that? What
Speaker 1: is how does that help your team success wise? And
Speaker 1: when the season comes around? Yeah? So, I mean, let's
Speaker 1: imagine if we all were in here playing the same position, okay,
Speaker 1: and you know, say, you know that side of the
Speaker 1: room is all vaccine and we're all the rookies over here.
Speaker 1: Guess what what we've done in Ota? So okay, cool,
Speaker 1: we you guys have less grace. We have more grace
Speaker 1: because we're the rookies, right in terms of us being
Speaker 1: able to learn to come in and adapt and all
Speaker 1: that jazz mini camps. Oh, now, the rookies, we expect
Speaker 1: you to put form like like the Vets. Not quite
Speaker 1: like the Vets, right, but you we need to see
Speaker 1: some hint that you guys should be on the same
Speaker 1: on the same playing field, right. And if we don't
Speaker 1: see that, ah, now I have idea of where guys
Speaker 1: are going to be slotted once we get to camp.
Speaker 1: Because once we get to camp, we got a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks of practice and guess what, we got games. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I don't have time to be fooling around trying
Speaker 1: to figure out if you're ready to go. This gives
Speaker 1: me a great snapshot or whether or not I could
Speaker 1: put you in a position to play with the big
Speaker 1: boys on the other side of the room. Yeah, Because
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy talked about he said last year, I played
Speaker 1: more rookies early than I ever have in my career.
Speaker 1: And we think about all the guys, especially on defense
Speaker 1: that did that and made those contributions. That's a credit
Speaker 1: to what they were able to apply this time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: last year. So they've got to be able to catch up,
Speaker 1: because that's the other thing he talks about. There's a
Speaker 1: gap right now between the rookie class and what the
Speaker 1: Vets can do. How quickly can they catch up? How
Speaker 1: much can they show what they're doing well at this
Speaker 1: point heading in and hex right with the penalties, Like
Speaker 1: Matt will, let's go the fourth round draft pick. I
Speaker 1: want to say it was either rookie camp or early
Speaker 1: in OTAs. He had a he got taken out. Now,
Speaker 1: Mike said that was something he does going all the
Speaker 1: way back to Green Bay. But clearly, clearly it's an
Speaker 1: emphasis because to a certain extent, they beat themselves last
Speaker 1: year with some of the just kind of getting out
Speaker 1: of their own head. Now you mentioned some of the
Speaker 1: youth and how that youth was successful last year. When
Speaker 1: you're a young player, there's so many steps along the way,
Speaker 1: so you finally get to training camp. There's the OTAs,
Speaker 1: there's the rookie mini camp, and there's of course the
Speaker 1: mini camp, which one is the toughest from an informational standpoint,
Speaker 1: because you're drinking from a fire hose all summer long,
Speaker 1: trying to get a playbook ready, trying to get in
Speaker 1: the right place at the right time. But now, like
Speaker 1: you said that that expectation has risen, it would make
Speaker 1: me think that mini camp would be the toughest on
Speaker 1: young players, or is it another part of the off seasons.
Speaker 1: Good question. I would say that from the self applied pressure,
Speaker 1: I would say that OTAs and you know Mini camp
Speaker 1: is probably the most even level. Yeah, you know that's
Speaker 1: you're in terms of Ricky's coming in an applying pressure
Speaker 1: unto themselves. Right, I'm coming out, I'm trying to impress,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to learn, right, I'm trying to get in shape.
Speaker 1: All these kind of all these different pressures, right, these
Speaker 1: different elements that's all taking place at OTAs in Mini camp.
Speaker 1: Now when you get the training camp, it's a whole
Speaker 1: different type of pressure because now it's the expectation, right,
Speaker 1: the portion I just talked about. Now, I've been through
Speaker 1: all that, I've been able to get in shape, I've
Speaker 1: been able to learn the system. But now we have
Speaker 1: to do it in It matters because you know, two
Speaker 1: weeks we're playing a game. You know, there's no there's
Speaker 1: no wayte of reps. Right, I don't have time for
Speaker 1: you to be It sounds bad, but I don't have
Speaker 1: time for you to be trying to develop because there's
Speaker 1: only so many plays we have in practice, right, we're
Speaker 1: running sixty plays. I don't have time to be giving
Speaker 1: you ten fifteen plays. I gotta get these camps ready
Speaker 1: to play right, So if you're ready to roll cool,
Speaker 1: I'll roll you in there. That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: As far as those guys looking like they should be
Speaker 1: on the same playing field, I'm getting OTAs. Mini camp
Speaker 1: gives you a snapshot of whether or not these guys
Speaker 1: are ready to compete with those vets on your team.
Speaker 1: And if you're not, then guess what. I now know
Speaker 1: you're gonna get that third team reps. You're gonna get
Speaker 1: those second team rests because the first team has to
Speaker 1: get ready to play a game. Hack. When you've been
Speaker 1: out there watching practices, is there anybody that in that
Speaker 1: rookie class has already looked like they're a step ahead
Speaker 1: of the game. I want to say Tyler Smith, just
Speaker 1: based off of aesthetics. You know, he's a big kid,
Speaker 1: he big man, and you know he moves well. He
Speaker 1: has the most pressure on him, I mean, because the
Speaker 1: Cowboys got to know that they're right about that twenty
Speaker 1: fourth pick, and you you know, just if we're talking
Speaker 1: about pressure, he has a ton of it on him.
Speaker 1: And he also has kind of a government right breathing
Speaker 1: down his neck. So there's gonna be a lot of competition,
Speaker 1: like you always talk about, Man, I want to see
Speaker 1: the competition, guys competing for this starting spot at the
Speaker 1: left guard. But the Cowboys got to know that they
Speaker 1: were right about him and they got to find this out.
Speaker 1: That's why everything that you were pointing to about the conditioning,
Speaker 1: the disciplines, all of those things. For me, it's just
Speaker 1: allowing these guys to play fast. He's already that guy
Speaker 1: that you project as. Is he a guard? Is he
Speaker 1: a tackle? Well, he's a left guard for from now
Speaker 1: and all the way through Oxnard and the season started.
Speaker 1: Can he adapt to what they're asking of him? And
Speaker 1: again the bigger questions start today. He asked to start
Speaker 1: filling in those blanks. Yeah. The first thing you notice
Speaker 1: about him, and it's kind of the same thing I
Speaker 1: noticed about Tyrn Smith when he first came in is
Speaker 1: good comparison. It's not bad, not bad. Is his heavy hands? Okay,
Speaker 1: heavy hands? Like one of the nicknames they had they
Speaker 1: gave for Tyrn early on was Hotel California because he's
Speaker 1: from LA and when he got your hands on you,
Speaker 1: you're not checking out. Yeah, Okay, that's that's really That's
Speaker 1: where it came from and there were some plays in
Speaker 1: practice you've seen where he'll get his hands on somebody
Speaker 1: Micah Parsons even stop rips, plays over vice gripts, and
Speaker 1: so that's that's good for playing guard, that's what they need.
Speaker 1: They need that power inside. And I think there's there's
Speaker 1: a feeling within the building too, he might be better
Speaker 1: off playing guard right away than tackle because because of
Speaker 1: that physical still set and that things happen faster inside.
Speaker 1: You don't have to worry about um, these outstanding edge
Speaker 1: rushers in the NFL and having to play space as much. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's definitely. I mean, if there's one player to
Speaker 1: keep an eye on, it's Tyler Smith because you want
Speaker 1: him to be in that starting lineup. Like Kekma said,
Speaker 1: you need him to be your left guard moving forward.
Speaker 1: Right now, he's taken those second team snaps, he's learning
Speaker 1: the offense, he's kind of getting into a rhythm. But
Speaker 1: the full expectation is that he's going to be the
Speaker 1: starter by the time training camp comes around, and this
Speaker 1: is the time where he can kind of separate himself
Speaker 1: from the rest of the pack and try and work
Speaker 1: his way into that starting position. We'll continue to keep
Speaker 1: an eye on Tyler Smith moving forward, but when we
Speaker 1: come back, what second year player can replace Randy Gregory's production?
Speaker 1: Is there somebody on this roster specifically that we have
Speaker 1: in mind. We'll answer your questions and a whole lot
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Speaker 1: to be awesome. It's going to be incredible. So now,
Speaker 1: wonderful event. Wonderful event, and uh man, kudos and to
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys for having this event as well. Especially
Speaker 1: you know, obviously we live in a time where where
Speaker 1: people are kind of a little awful little bit. So
Speaker 1: when you have an event like this and you're you're
Speaker 1: trying to bring the diversity to the NFL, and the
Speaker 1: NFL has obviously been struggling with that. I just like
Speaker 1: I said, it's it's like it's really kudos to the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys, but also juneteenth is my wedding anniversary. Fells
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Speaker 1: how did the Green Family Foundation, the the Nibble and
Speaker 1: Mingle Celebration ghost wonderful? There was a host there, well,
Speaker 1: he had a microphone hosting the MC of the events,
Speaker 1: and he was up on the stage and he did
Speaker 1: so many different things. It was Hecma Harrison. As you
Speaker 1: can imagine in the three piece suit. I think I
Speaker 1: think you're alone on noting at the thread cam right there.
Speaker 1: We just try to let that live. But no, it
Speaker 1: was wonderful, It really was. It was wonderful, wonderful event.
Speaker 1: And like I said, guys, we talked about when when
Speaker 1: Rob was talking to Uncle Joe and being impacted by
Speaker 1: someone that's lost their life to cancer. Like I one
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Speaker 1: for the Foundation to have the scholarship, and I just
Speaker 1: think it's wonderful. But the night with the man with
Speaker 1: the amount of gold jackets, the Hall of Famers, that
Speaker 1: was that Cliff Harris was there. I always say, you know,
Speaker 1: people don't understand like a lot of these older players,
Speaker 1: guy's like Cliff Harris. I remember him being at the
Speaker 1: Foundation before and like people say, hey, yeah, we're only
Speaker 1: gonna take a picture with the yellow jackets, and Cliff
Speaker 1: Harris would have to get out of the picture. And
Speaker 1: I'm saying to myself, like, do you know that is
Speaker 1: Captain Crash? You lost your mind. But now he didn't
Speaker 1: have to do that, And I mentioned that to him
Speaker 1: as well, and him and my uncle had had an
Speaker 1: inside joke on that, so he never has to step
Speaker 1: out of the Hall of Fame pictures anymore. But man,
Speaker 1: it's just a great ye Van Earl Campbell Hall of
Speaker 1: Famers were there, you know, So it was wonderful, cool,
Speaker 1: that's outstanding. And by the way, just because the event
Speaker 1: is over doesn't mean you can't donate to the Green
Speaker 1: Family Foundation. Go online green Family Foundation dot org, great
Speaker 1: cause scholarships for those that deserve it, and of course,
Speaker 1: in memorium to a great woman. At the same time,
Speaker 1: we also had the Reliant Home Run Derby last week.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people listening to this show
Speaker 1: would like to hear how that went. Over one hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty five thousand dollars raised to charities around by
Speaker 1: the Reliant Home Run Derby, the Dallas Cowboys and the
Speaker 1: Frisco rough Riders. It was a fantastic night, so much fun.
Speaker 1: Mica felt like he got this the show stolen from
Speaker 1: him a little bit by you. He hit the most homers.
Speaker 1: Now he had the most homers, he had thirteen, but
Speaker 1: Layton Vanderesh raised the most money, so by by rule,
Speaker 1: he was the winner. So it was Layton Vanderesh Anthony
Speaker 1: Brown who didn't hit a single ball in the first
Speaker 1: and not like Homer didn't hit a ball in the
Speaker 1: first round, and then he finished second because he just
Speaker 1: figured it out and made some adjustments. And then Mike
Speaker 1: actually finished in third, so real quick. So you and
Speaker 1: I got the chance to do the Media Days stuff
Speaker 1: last week. Yeah, and that's what that is is when
Speaker 1: you if you go to the game and you go
Speaker 1: to eighteen t Stadium and all this stuff on the
Speaker 1: jumbo Tron, some of the cool video stuff when you're
Speaker 1: watching Sunday Night football, the starting lineup video packages for
Speaker 1: all the guys, like, that's where they film all that stuff.
Speaker 1: So we helped out kind of scoring guys around to
Speaker 1: different stations. I walked with Anthony Brown for like two hours.
Speaker 1: He was so pissed off about his first round performance.
Speaker 1: Guys are so competitive, man, it's I love it. You
Speaker 1: just talked about it with yours too. It's just like
Speaker 1: because he played and he's like, man, I had to
Speaker 1: get my timing down, you know, and he still almost
Speaker 1: pulled it out. But hey, when you when you spend
Speaker 1: five hundred bucks on a bat Man, you yant to
Speaker 1: do pretty well. As Mike did. He was as entertaining
Speaker 1: as anybody. Hit two over the wall, like not the
Speaker 1: short fence, like over the wall in left field. One
Speaker 1: of them went almost into the street. It was absolutely phenomenal.
Speaker 1: As for my media home run derby, I finished in third.
Speaker 1: I didn't win. I put on a laser show. In
Speaker 1: the first round. I hit nine in the first round,
Speaker 1: so I was I was rolling, hit six in my
Speaker 1: first seven pitches show. I was rolling. Then then the
Speaker 1: second round because I went last because of my last name,
Speaker 1: because wise towards the bottom of the alphabet, I went last,
Speaker 1: and so I had a quicker turnaround to get to
Speaker 1: that second round. I just ran out of gas. They
Speaker 1: screwed you. Yeah, no, I would. It's not totally totally
Speaker 1: blamed on that because in my final round, I hit
Speaker 1: the first two, I popped them up, got underneath them,
Speaker 1: and then I hit four out of my next five
Speaker 1: out of the yard. So I was at four with
Speaker 1: three outs and I needed five to get to the
Speaker 1: final round, and I just hit the final two. I
Speaker 1: did it again. I popped them up, So it happened.
Speaker 1: It's okay, it was my first one. I feel it
Speaker 1: pain too. I'm gonna turn around. I'm gonna be I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be right back in it. Don't you wanted to
Speaker 1: hurry up? Come back around. I want to repeat yourself
Speaker 1: like this. It was so much so We're playing at
Speaker 1: Globe Black. We had to hit bombs there was no
Speaker 1: short fifths and nothing nothing like that. The Rangers had
Speaker 1: to the Rangers players mentioned autumn casts. They were trying
Speaker 1: to hit him too, and caps his warning track in it.
Speaker 1: You know, there was this one professional softball dude who
Speaker 1: got up there and was hitting straight bombs just stropes
Speaker 1: found thirty feet. Oh my gosh, that was the real
Speaker 1: laser show lasers, show your bombs. All right, let's answer
Speaker 1: some questions from Cowboys Nation now that we've hit that. Uh,
Speaker 1: appreciate everybody who's been sticking around with us here over
Speaker 1: these last couple of weeks. Lots of charity and lots
Speaker 1: of events going on. All right, I'm pretty sure I
Speaker 1: saw some dear anitlers our friends. Our friend Kevin says,
Speaker 1: do you see the Cowboys addressing linebacker and or wide
Speaker 1: receiver before training camp in August? He would even throw
Speaker 1: into fence ven but he just doesn't want to push it. Rob.
Speaker 1: But if any of those positions stick out to you
Speaker 1: as a must add when we get into the latter
Speaker 1: parts of the ops season, must add. I don't know
Speaker 1: about must add. I would say wide receiver. No, I
Speaker 1: don't think they would add anybody. Linebacker, maybe I think
Speaker 1: linebacker stands out is more of a depth deal. We
Speaker 1: talked about that, but again, if it's going to be
Speaker 1: a veteran, it's got to be something they're comfortable with,
Speaker 1: what both sides are comfortable with, and who's out there left.
Speaker 1: You know, I know Bar as a guy people have mentioned.
Speaker 1: Is maybe a link to the Cowboys Anthony Barr. Maybe
Speaker 1: that's an option, but I think it wide receiver, especially
Speaker 1: like I just think, you know, provided guys get healthy.
Speaker 1: James Washington is not back to practice yet. Maybe he
Speaker 1: gets in today. We'll see. Jalen Tilbert just got back
Speaker 1: to practice. Third round draft pick. I think they want
Speaker 1: to kind of see how that all fits together first
Speaker 1: with Dak and then kind of reassess it if you're
Speaker 1: not happy with it. Obviously, Michael Gallup still working his
Speaker 1: way back. What do you think. Heck, well, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna beat Isaiah to linebacker because I know where
Speaker 1: he's going. But it's true, I don't think you feel
Speaker 1: comfortable with the depth right now at linebacker, and no
Speaker 1: matter how Dad Quinn expects to play, it's laden. Vander
Speaker 1: esh has shown flashes in coverage. We know he's a
Speaker 1: great run stopper, but after that you really have questions.
Speaker 1: I know I do. I know a lot of people
Speaker 1: are relying on Jabril Cox in the second season, but
Speaker 1: I think there's something to the ACL injury, how he
Speaker 1: comes back from that and then still trying to get
Speaker 1: that rookie learning curve because it was cut off for him.
Speaker 1: Some of the other guys that they have in like
Speaker 1: Story Jackson and these are completely guys that are buried
Speaker 1: undrafted free agents. Can someone like that emerge from that room?
Speaker 1: But Devin Harper right now, I think he is someone.
Speaker 1: And I talk to you about this, Kyle while we
Speaker 1: were out there. I'm like, look, man, number fifty is moving,
Speaker 1: he has some legit will is he gonna be able
Speaker 1: to not only have value with his defensive reps but
Speaker 1: also value in special teams. Um, that's where we're looking
Speaker 1: at from our linebacker package, from my linebackers. But I
Speaker 1: think at some point you gotta you gotta get another
Speaker 1: linebacker anyway before you go to camp, and maybe they're
Speaker 1: waiting and seeing if there's other cuts on other teams
Speaker 1: to go with a linebacker, And that's maybe why getting
Speaker 1: Schultz signed to add that cap space, that you may need,
Speaker 1: but they have to be looking at that, and Reill
Speaker 1: Cox is not even practicing yet. They're they're building him
Speaker 1: towards training camp and they're excited about him. But you're right,
Speaker 1: like he hasn't He hasn't played very much at all,
Speaker 1: and I think they're counting on him just to step
Speaker 1: in and be counting nil, you know, repeatedly step into
Speaker 1: his role playing. You know, half the snaps say line backer.
Speaker 1: I's already been said. But you need to bring in
Speaker 1: somebody to compete. You need to bring somebody in to compete.
Speaker 1: I know you have vanders coming back. I know you
Speaker 1: have Michael Parsons in there, and I know you plan
Speaker 1: on having Curse walked down in the box and be
Speaker 1: another six four linebacker whatever he is, six five, Okay,
Speaker 1: you need a veteran linebacker that can come in and
Speaker 1: push the envelope. You don't, even as much as you
Speaker 1: want to rely on Michael Parsons to be who he
Speaker 1: is to be, to Bazuka to make a leap again
Speaker 1: somehow someway from year one a year two. As much
Speaker 1: as you expect vander Esh to be the savvy veteran
Speaker 1: that's sitting in the middle that you just resigned for
Speaker 1: one year to come back, you need somebody to challenge
Speaker 1: both of those guys. You need somebody to push Michael
Speaker 1: Parsons in terms of his leadership, in terms of his development,
Speaker 1: because you can't just say, oh, he's going to continue
Speaker 1: to stay on that trajectory. You can't just expect that.
Speaker 1: You need somebody else for him to learn from. Okay,
Speaker 1: And that's not to say that DQ doesn't teach him.
Speaker 1: That's not to say that you know that other guys
Speaker 1: on the defensive line won't teach him. You need a
Speaker 1: linebacker that he can lean on and get some tips from,
Speaker 1: because as of right now, he has none. He has
Speaker 1: nobody at that position that he can lean on except
Speaker 1: for vander esh Okay, that he can say, Hey, what
Speaker 1: should I do in this situation? Right? What do you
Speaker 1: think about this? He's expected to be the best, and
Speaker 1: I think that's a lot of pressure on him coming
Speaker 1: off the year that he just had. So I would
Speaker 1: love to see the Cowboys bring somebody else in that
Speaker 1: is that you know is going to be a sure thing.
Speaker 1: It's a sure thing. He doesn't have to be a
Speaker 1: freaking baller, a beast we're not talking about you know,
Speaker 1: Bobby Wagener's all those guys. Those guys are gone. But
Speaker 1: I'm talking about a sure thing linebacker to everybody in
Speaker 1: the league respects. Minnesota has some guys you're saying that
Speaker 1: are that are probably still hanging around. I believe that
Speaker 1: you could bring in and say that's somebody that he
Speaker 1: can lean on should things get rough or if we
Speaker 1: have a situation where somebody gets injured. Now we know
Speaker 1: we don't have to guess what's the production that we're
Speaker 1: gonna have. Yeah, that's the other thing is contingencies. Because
Speaker 1: Layton played every game last year, I think, which you know,
Speaker 1: he's had some injury problems and yeah, knock on wood,
Speaker 1: you know, good, good for him, and I think he's
Speaker 1: resigning him is big to help this rotation. But if
Speaker 1: something were to happen to him, then that depth takes
Speaker 1: a hit. If something happens on the defensive line like
Speaker 1: it did last year, somebody breaks their foot, DeMarcus Lawrence
Speaker 1: breaks his foot in week two, Oh you can move
Speaker 1: Mike and down to the edge, Well, then how you
Speaker 1: fill in that gap? So yeah, I think depth a
Speaker 1: linebacker is definitely something they're they're probably looking at and
Speaker 1: need to look at it. And I like the point
Speaker 1: of a veteran for Micah to potentially look up to
Speaker 1: and to kind of have that that growth continue. Layton
Speaker 1: vander Esh's twenty six. Luke Gifford is twenty six. Those
Speaker 1: are the two oldest guys in the linebacker room because
Speaker 1: everybody else's Jabil Cox second, your player, Michael Part's the second,
Speaker 1: your player. Devin Harper rookie, Aaron Hansford rookie, Story Jackson rookie.
Speaker 1: That's it. That's your linebacker corps right there. Boom, that's youth.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of youth there, which is not a
Speaker 1: bad thing, but it's also you would like to have
Speaker 1: somebody in there as a like you said, well rest
Speaker 1: perspective player and for depth, because both of which are
Speaker 1: a massive, massive lack at the moment in that linebacker room.
Speaker 1: Our friend Joe says, how make or break is this
Speaker 1: year specifically for the coaching staff? Heck mo When you
Speaker 1: look at Mike McCarthy and Kellen Moore, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of pressure on those guys. How big of it is
Speaker 1: a maker break? And what would what would your expectation
Speaker 1: for a break. Mean, man, I've never found I've never
Speaker 1: seen anybody find the hot seat as fast as Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy has after the success that he had in the
Speaker 1: season and then to have the Sean Payton rumors. I
Speaker 1: thought that was crazy, I really did. I thought it
Speaker 1: was crazy. I thought it was disrespectful. He handled it
Speaker 1: with grace and class. He didn't, you know, let them
Speaker 1: throw him off. By every interview that I've seen him in,
Speaker 1: he hasn't seemed like he was unnerved by it. But
Speaker 1: as a competitor, he's got to have that in his
Speaker 1: back pocket where he knows that my team underperformed in
Speaker 1: the playoffs and I have to have them ready. Guys,
Speaker 1: y'all know, I binge watched these Cowboys the seasons and
Speaker 1: I just want to figure out, hell what it is
Speaker 1: what's going on with these guys in this offense that
Speaker 1: stopped them from getting to the next level. It's just
Speaker 1: a quick We didn't have any quick strikeability in our
Speaker 1: offense at all, and I think a lot of that
Speaker 1: has been on Mike McCarthy and the They're gonna say
Speaker 1: Kelly Moore, but even Kelly Moore and him are tied
Speaker 1: into together. Really quickly on how this season is going
Speaker 1: to play out. So, you know, I just feel as
Speaker 1: though offensively, Mike McCarthy has got to have his hand
Speaker 1: on the pulse of this offense right now to make
Speaker 1: sure that this season doesn't He doesn't have to go
Speaker 1: into through any of those loaves that he had last season.
Speaker 1: I think every year unless your name is Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: and I think that you're on the hot seat here
Speaker 1: in Dallas. I mean, and even he found that for
Speaker 1: a little bit. He was around for a long time.
Speaker 1: He was so he was around for a long time.
Speaker 1: Him and Jerry were obviously they were tight, Okay, So
Speaker 1: he wasn't under the pressure that Mike McCarthy is because
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy, to my understanding, Sean Payton lives within what
Speaker 1: a fifteen mile radios from here, So there's a little
Speaker 1: bit more pressure when you have somebody that lives in
Speaker 1: the same area that as a highly regarded coach that
Speaker 1: all just happens to be a sitting at the crib
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, there's gonna be pressure when you underperform
Speaker 1: by Dallas Cowboys standards with the roster and the health
Speaker 1: and everything else that went your way last year and
Speaker 1: you still came up short. You're absolutely gonna be in
Speaker 1: a hot seat when that dude is sitting on the road. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, just just listen back to what Jerry said
Speaker 1: after the season, right after the season when they lost,
Speaker 1: you know, and like that's as good as he felt
Speaker 1: about a team going into the playoffs since the nineties,
Speaker 1: as healthy as they were. It was a huge disappointment,
Speaker 1: like you and and for Mike too. So yeah, absolutely
Speaker 1: there's pressure. I mean there's pressure on the coaching staff
Speaker 1: every single year. Um, how hot is the seat? We
Speaker 1: got asked that on the mailbag. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: mean you'd have to go upstairs and get inside Jerry
Speaker 1: and Stephen Jones's head to really really know that and
Speaker 1: really know if the season doesn't end the way they
Speaker 1: wanted to go this year, what's whether the circumstances around it,
Speaker 1: all of that. But absolutely there's pressure, and and you know,
Speaker 1: everybody wants to talk about maybe what they didn't do
Speaker 1: to improve the roster. I don't think that changes expectations though.
Speaker 1: I think they're still expected to win the division and
Speaker 1: make a run. You start maybe worse than that. Two
Speaker 1: home games, two home games, Yeah, it's heat. I want
Speaker 1: to put this scenario right. Are we talk at Bunsen Burner? Now,
Speaker 1: where are we on this? Yeah, it'll get there. Also,
Speaker 1: reports this morning you can say, yeah, I'm just setting
Speaker 1: on medium a little bit. Reports this morning said that
Speaker 1: there were rumors around the Dolphins that pursued Sean Payton
Speaker 1: as their head coach. You see that number, four years,
Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars is what they offered him, and
Speaker 1: he said, no, where's Yeah, he's on the couch. What
Speaker 1: you can make money in TV? Though, Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: Tom Brady's gonna make it an amount of money five years.
Speaker 1: Heck my Harrison money and then I don't know if
Speaker 1: he is really would have announced that by now, Okay,
Speaker 1: that money and he just sitting at the house. We
Speaker 1: have to take our second break because we're getting cut
Speaker 1: a little bit short today because mccarthey's press conference. When
Speaker 1: we come back, we're going to continue answering your questions,
Speaker 1: including the one I t s in the first uh
Speaker 1: going in to the first break. Also, it's Calvin Joseph
Speaker 1: good enough to be cornerback too, Isaiah may not believe,
Speaker 1: So we'll talk about it when we come back. Right
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Speaker 1: let's answer this question that I didn't get a chance
Speaker 1: to get to in that second segment. Do you think
Speaker 1: and this is I'm not going to be able to
Speaker 1: say this name right? Uh Spurs fan one oh eight three?
Speaker 1: Is the tag on Twitter? Do you believe as I do,
Speaker 1: that Chauncy can replace Randy Gregory's production? Oh, it's Nebbi.
Speaker 1: That's who asked that. Oh hey, Nebbi, it's Nebbi. He
Speaker 1: tagged it with nebbi at the end. But uh he yeah,
Speaker 1: he says he believes Jauncy can replace Randy Gregory's production. Heck,
Speaker 1: when do you believe that that's a possibility? You know?
Speaker 1: Looking at at Chauncey Golston, he damn sure looks impressive. Um,
Speaker 1: he looks like a guy in the second year that
Speaker 1: can have a breakout season. I think for the presents
Speaker 1: that Randy Gregory had on this team last year, playmaking ability,
Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be a by committee from a
Speaker 1: few guys. I don't know if we can depend on
Speaker 1: just one guy per se uh to fill that gap
Speaker 1: with what Randy Gregory meant to this team, And maybe
Speaker 1: it'd be unfair to expect that also, so I'm looking forward.
Speaker 1: That's why I say Dante Fowler is going to be important,
Speaker 1: Terrell bash him. Guys like that are going to be
Speaker 1: important as well. So, um, you know, I think that
Speaker 1: Chauncey Gholston is going to have an impact. I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's going to be on the same tier
Speaker 1: as Randy Gregory. Yeah, oh go ahead. Presence and production
Speaker 1: are two separate words. I don't feel that Randy Gregory
Speaker 1: was that productive. I feel like he had a great presence.
Speaker 1: I felt like people knew what he was capable of.
Speaker 1: I feel like if he if you pissed him off
Speaker 1: and you hit his easy button, he'll run through your
Speaker 1: whole face right and get to the quarterback when he
Speaker 1: wanted to. But it's not something that was always there,
Speaker 1: So can somebody I don't know about ghosten in particular,
Speaker 1: but can somebody on this roster have the same production?
Speaker 1: I do believe, So, I do believe. So I think
Speaker 1: it's probably gonna come in the form of Fowler, right
Speaker 1: in terms of somebody who's going to be designated at
Speaker 1: that position and they're asked and tasked to go get
Speaker 1: the quarterback. Randy Gregory had six sacks last year, six
Speaker 1: Daurn's Armstrong had five exactly. So when we started talking
Speaker 1: about production, presence production two separate words. So production wise, yes,
Speaker 1: I believe somebody else and somebody else. Keep your eye
Speaker 1: on Sam Williams. I can't wait to see his due
Speaker 1: with Pasla. Yeah, that's why Heck's talking about committee because
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys and and even Randy last year,
Speaker 1: like he's not playing sixty snaps and that is a
Speaker 1: rotation plan that dan Quinn has. He's always had it
Speaker 1: for his defensive line. So I'm looking at Dante Fowler first,
Speaker 1: and I know like his biggest production years have been
Speaker 1: when he's had like pro Bowl guys around him. I
Speaker 1: get it. PFF says he's had thirty pressures in each
Speaker 1: of the last two years. That's what Randy got last
Speaker 1: year and I'm kind of looking at Dorance Armstrong too,
Speaker 1: is can he take another step forward? And if he does,
Speaker 1: because you said five sacks, I think he had twenty
Speaker 1: two pressures. He could turn out to be kind of
Speaker 1: a moneyball signing where it's like, yeah, you don't resigned
Speaker 1: Randy for fIF seventy million, but you signed Durrance for
Speaker 1: two years and fourteen, you signed Dante Fowler and you
Speaker 1: kind of piece this in together. Sam Williams is part
Speaker 1: of the rotation year one, and you're recreating that production
Speaker 1: with three or four guys and you look at Dorance, Terrell,
Speaker 1: Basham's in the fold again, Dante Faller, Junior DeMarcus Lawrence,
Speaker 1: Sam Williams, and then there's Gholston down there at the bottom.
Speaker 1: He's gonna play a lot of inside too. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's kind of what he said. And I mean, Heck
Speaker 1: and I were at practice when we were like, man,
Speaker 1: that guy's a big dude. I mean, he put on
Speaker 1: twenty pounds, so I mean, and there's no doubt in
Speaker 1: my mind that it's a full twenty because he's gonna
Speaker 1: play a lot of five technique. He may even slide
Speaker 1: inside and play three. He's talked about the possibility of
Speaker 1: doing that, and dan Quinn has certainly built him to
Speaker 1: that moving into his second year. So the impact will
Speaker 1: be there, Can the presence be there? I think I'm
Speaker 1: right there with you. But great question, Nebbi. Is Kelvin
Speaker 1: Joseph going to be cornerback to at some point here
Speaker 1: in his second year as well? Jordie Jordan asked this
Speaker 1: on Twitter. Or even if he's not get some more reps,
Speaker 1: that's the biggest thing. He's got to get some snaps
Speaker 1: because last year he was not a huge part of
Speaker 1: this defense. But Isaiah, you had a great reaction when
Speaker 1: you saw Kelvin or you heard the name Kelvin Joseph.
Speaker 1: Do you think he can take that second year? Joe Current,
Speaker 1: I do not. I don't have that faith in my
Speaker 1: current state. I believe that a Brown is still the
Speaker 1: man over there as a number two. I think he
Speaker 1: was very productive last year, you know, and people start
Speaker 1: looking at these cornerbacks, so you know, they look at
Speaker 1: their productivity in the form of interceptions. This defense had
Speaker 1: a lot of them last year. But that's not the
Speaker 1: only way in which you impact this game. You impact
Speaker 1: this game by being a pest you impact this game
Speaker 1: by by being a run stopper, by being where you're
Speaker 1: supposed to be, by using a sideline to your advantage,
Speaker 1: as a whole lot of other areas that these cornerbacks
Speaker 1: can have impact, and I just don't feel like I've
Speaker 1: seen enough from Kelvin Joseph in that regard yet. And
Speaker 1: that's also looking at him in a special teams game. Hey,
Speaker 1: you started utilizing him a lot towards the end there,
Speaker 1: but I didn't see the impact. I saw a player
Speaker 1: out there, but I didn't see him having an impact
Speaker 1: at that even in specialist as a specialist. So I'm
Speaker 1: looking forward to watching him in camp, if you know,
Speaker 1: if everything stays the way it stays right now in
Speaker 1: terms of his status and seeing what his development looks like,
Speaker 1: he's in a position to compete. Let's see what I
Speaker 1: think the coaching staff wants to see him take the
Speaker 1: next step. I think they came into the season wanting
Speaker 1: to see him pressure Anthony Brown for starter. I think
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown just played his butt off and kept him
Speaker 1: on the bench and made it hard for him to
Speaker 1: crack that defensive rotation. Kelvin Joseph has to work as
Speaker 1: well on the field, he has to do some things
Speaker 1: on special teams. He has to improve a lot. Man.
Speaker 1: In my experience with defensive coaches, if your alignment assignment
Speaker 1: is off and you're getting beat deep, they will yank you.
Speaker 1: And especially if you're a rookie, that is a very
Speaker 1: short leash because Kelvin Joseph just doesn't have the experience.
Speaker 1: They're guys like Nash and Wright that we talked about
Speaker 1: during OTAs in training camp. We just thought that this
Speaker 1: guy was going to be someone that could pressure Anthony Brown. Again,
Speaker 1: just back to who what the job that he did? Now,
Speaker 1: I gotta ask you guys like for Jordan Lewis, who's
Speaker 1: played a lot of slot, that's where I think the
Speaker 1: pressure for where Kelvin Joseph can be most effective. If
Speaker 1: he can play inside, that's interesting, you know, be an
Speaker 1: outside guy right going back to college. But he's got
Speaker 1: I mean, look position flexibility. No, for sure, absolutely, we
Speaker 1: talk about it. I mean, and I understand you one
Speaker 1: two guy, but you need another guy to pressure there
Speaker 1: as well. And again, Jordan Lewis did a heck of
Speaker 1: a job holding guys off because going into camp he
Speaker 1: also had some pressure. So look for Kelvin Joseph, and
Speaker 1: he's had a really bad offseason for the Optics. You know,
Speaker 1: is his reliability going to be there? There's got to
Speaker 1: be some maturity issue questions that they ask as well,
Speaker 1: but he's going to have to do a lot to
Speaker 1: show this coach of staff that he can be relied upon. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we're talking just from a strictly football perspective.
Speaker 1: Because you mentioned that there's a legal matter. We'll go
Speaker 1: back to the spring we talked about it. He hasn't
Speaker 1: been a wrestler or charge or anything, but we know
Speaker 1: from history the NFL can look into things too and
Speaker 1: maybe hand down a suspension or fine. You never know,
Speaker 1: so that's always looming out there. But just from a
Speaker 1: football perspective, like I think Anthony Brown and Jordan Lewis
Speaker 1: you can argue had career seasons last year like they Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe they felt the pressure and they delivered and played
Speaker 1: the best of their career. So I don't really see
Speaker 1: Kelvin Joseph holding either guy off. But I do think
Speaker 1: he's got talent and I think he missed a lot
Speaker 1: of time last year that probably set him back, and
Speaker 1: so I think he's somebody to watch that. Maybe because
Speaker 1: you saw it a little bit late in the season.
Speaker 1: He saw him kind of getting there in certain packages
Speaker 1: and maybe that will continue. He played one hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty five defensive snaps last season. That is a number
Speaker 1: that needs to go up, I mean quite a bit.
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean he could be the starter. Kind of like
Speaker 1: what you guys are saying. If you want Anthony Brown
Speaker 1: and you want Jordan Lewis to play as well as
Speaker 1: they did last year, however, you also want Kelvin Joseph
Speaker 1: to play at a higher level. So that way you
Speaker 1: have four guys that you really feel comfortable interchanging and
Speaker 1: going up against some of the better wide receivers in
Speaker 1: the NFL. And that's exactly what you have with the
Speaker 1: secondary if they all play at a high level. But
Speaker 1: that doesn't for us here on talking cowboys. Gotta get
Speaker 1: out of here a little bit early today. Who's kicking
Speaker 1: us off the air? The head coach, who's a lot,
Speaker 1: The head's a lot, Who's who's who's who's challenging? And positions? Right?
Speaker 1: Double m Really come on? Yeah, we can talk about
Speaker 1: all this, but we'll talk about it at at a
Speaker 1: later date. We'll save it and there's a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff we can talk about. Maybe an ox Stard maybe
Speaker 1: next week, who knows. I don't know when we're our
Speaker 1: last show? Is they have this is your last show?
Speaker 1: This is the last the last show. Wow, thanks, Nobody
Speaker 1: told me so has no tact you know, get out
Speaker 1: of here. You know, no that JR. Tell you. This
Speaker 1: is the last week. Mini camps, last week. We don't
Speaker 1: have any extra days. Blues a crack. Yeah, there's some
Speaker 1: over quality guys to another season. We will see the school.
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