WEBVTT - Roman Mars on Jaws 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:27.960 Hey, friends, Welcome to Movie Crush. This is Charles W. 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:31.120 Chuck Bryant coming to you from the studio here in Atlanta, 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:35.120 Georgia at Pont City Market, where during the day I 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:38.040 am co host of Stuff You Should Know and at 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:41.160 night dim the lights, turn on the projector and get 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:44.080 Movie Crush going. This week in the studio, we have 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:48.559 Well in his studio and me in my studio. This 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:51.400 is a remote session, but we have Mr Roman. Mars. 0:00:52.520 --> 0:01:00.200 Roman is the host of Invisible, which is one of 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:04.560 the not only greatest podcasts of all time, but one 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:07.720 of the greatest pieces of culture that this country has 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:10.240 to offer. I'm gonna go ahead and say that Roman 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:13.919 is a great guy. Uh. He is also the um, 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:18.200 the mastermind and head chief of Radio Topia, which is 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:20.880 one of the great great podcast networks out there. They 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:23.760 host some of my favorite shows on the web. And 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:28.800 I met Roman. Goodness. I met Roman through email probably 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:33.840 six or seven years ago. I met Roman before Invisible 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:38.360 was a thing, when Roman was producer and employee of PRX, 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:41.080 and he was a fan of Stuff you Should Know 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:44.759 and got in touch with Josh and myself and said, hey, guys, 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:46.759 how would you like Stuff you Should know to be 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:49.720 on public radio, and we said, well, we think that's 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:51.960 kind of a neat idea. Uh, And we took a 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:55.080 couple of calls with him and UM talked about it 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:58.360 quite a bit. And in between the time we talked 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:02.800 about getting the show going on public radio, Roman went 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:08.440 along and created Invisible and we never heard from him again. 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:12.520 Actually that's not quite true, but um, that became his 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:16.880 primary job, and then he created Radiotopia, and we clearly 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:18.600 knew that if we wanted to get on public radio 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:20.919 that we had to go a different route because Roman 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:25.120 was now a superstar of the medium, uh and rightfully so. 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:28.840 And we've been so happy for his success over the years. 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:31.320 He's just one of the great dudes in the world. 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:35.520 Super nice guy. UM, you really won't meet a better 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:39.720 person in this uh podcasting industry or entertainment industry than 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:42.959 Mr Roman Mars. So obviously he has his own studio 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:45.920 out there in California, like we said, and Uh, I 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:47.560 got in touch with Roman is one of my first 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:51.400 guests because he's a pal and we have similar sensibilities. 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:54.520 And Roman did not take long to pick out Jaws 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:59.120 is his favorite movie, and I got super excited the instant. 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:01.680 He said that because this is uh. I know we're 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:04.200 only a few episodes in, but this is the the 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:06.639 first time that even though I did love Let the 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:10.960 Right One In and I liked Tron Uh, Jaws I've 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:14.480 often called my favorite movie of all time. It sort 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:18.640 of vacillates between several different films. But in my blog 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:20.960 post that I did a few years ago where I 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:23.240 listed my top one movies and the stuff you should 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:26.359 know blog, I did put Jaws that week as my 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:30.799 favorite movie of all time. Released in nineteen obviously, directed 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:34.600 by a very young, UH and up and coming Steven Spielberg, 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:37.760 this is the movie that really put him on the map. Written. 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:40.600 I think he had a part in writing the screenplay, 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:45.440 although officially, UM, I don't see him listed as one 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:47.880 of the writers I see. Peter Benchley obviously wrote the 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:50.520 book that was released the year before. It was a 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:56.480 um sort of a smash hit Summer Beach Reader, which 0:03:56.480 --> 0:04:00.080 is kind of ironic and captured the public's attention in 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:03.440 in book form first, and then Benchley and a man 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:06.520 and Carl Gottlieb wrote the screenplay. I have heard over 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:10.000 the years that Spielberg did right on the screenplay as well, So, 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:12.840 even though he's not officially listened in the credits as such, 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:14.400 I think he did have something to do with it. 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:17.680 This is back when Spielberg was writing more but at 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:20.560 any rate, it starts the great Roy Scheider, the great 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:23.760 great Richard Dreyfuss, and the great Robert Shaw. It's sort 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:27.320 of the three headed protagonist of this film, battling the 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:30.039 killer shark. I remember being a kid and thinking the 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:33.320 shark's name was Jaws. A very young child. I think 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:35.640 I was what would have been four or five years 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:38.800 old when it came out, and um, but it even 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:42.240 captured my attention as a kid that young. That's how 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:46.680 big of a pop culture phenomenon this movie was. Um. Obviously, 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:48.720 spoilers are going to abound, But if you haven't seen 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:52.799 Jaws by now, then God have mercy on your soul, 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:55.640 is all I have to say. It has been called 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:58.080 a horror film in some circles. In fact, on a 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:00.880 recent stuff you should know ten horror movies changed the genre. 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:04.240 We even talk about Jaws a little bit, although I 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:07.720 have always maintained that Jaws is an adventure film more 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:10.080 than anything else, even though it does have some pretty 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:12.640 terrifying elements. Um, at the end of the day. For me, 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:15.080 it's an adventure film and one of the great great 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:18.719 movies of all time. So UM, it's gonna be interesting 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:21.360 to talk to Roman because I've seen this movie so 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:27.840 many times it is weird, to be honest. Um, I've 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:30.200 seen this movie more times than people should probably see 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:33.120 a single movie. But I think I think Roman is 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:35.560 in the same boat. Uh, So it should be pretty 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:40.800 interesting to see how to die hard Jaws veterans, uh 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:44.080 think about this movie and kind of what it means, 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:45.960 because I know Roman watched it last night and I 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:48.480 watched it today, So what it means after all these 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:51.720 repeated viewings should be fairly interesting to see where we 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:54.640 land on that. So uh, I don't want to keep 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:57.119 you in suspense any longer. We're gonna get that shark 0:05:57.160 --> 0:05:59.480 out of the water and onto the boat and coming 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:03.720 up in one, two or three seconds Jaws with Roman Mars. 0:06:08.320 --> 0:06:10.800 I did see on on Facebook that you posted that 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:14.120 you watch Jaws last night for about the thirtieth time. 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:19.640 I did. Yeah, I was. I just wanted to um 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:22.320 to bone up, you know, just make sure I remembered 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:24.960 all the parts. And it's a it's a funny. Well, 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:26.960 I don't want to start now, but yeah, it's I 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:30.520 just wanted to. I can't go in. I'm I'm an overpreparer. 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:32.880 I'm just a producer at at heart. I can't help it. 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:36.719 So well, it's funny because I watched it. Um, I 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:40.400 watched about of it two weeks ago, because you know, 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:42.960 it's one of those things and probably for you too, 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:45.400 it's one of those movies if you're flipping it around 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:49.000 at night and catch it, it's hard to turn that channel. 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:53.160 So I watched about it and then I still watched 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:55.240 it today before I came in all the way through 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:58.960 because I realized I hadn't made notes or anything, and 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:00.640 as much as I know the movie, I was like, yeah, 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:02.320 I'm kind of like he was like, I should probably 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:05.160 scribble down some some things, just you know, since I'm 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:07.720 in the sort of the driver's seat here, I need 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:13.520 to be a pro. But before we get into Jaws, 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:15.880 so I kind of wanted to ask you just a 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:20.200 little bit about the you're kind of general movie fandom 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:26.680 growing up. Um, where are you from California? No, I 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:29.640 was born in New Jersey, and early part of my 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:32.440 life probably the first time I really went to see movies. 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:36.920 I was living in uh, North Carolina and South Carolina 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:40.960 in the South, So you moved around then, I did. 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:44.080 I moved on a lot. I didn't move to California 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:48.800 until I was in my mid twenties. Okay, and and 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:51.440 you and I both lived in Athens, Georgia. I think 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:53.680 we did a little bit at the same time, right, 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:57.840 I think. So I lived there from ninety four to 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:00.360 nineties seven. I was in graduate school there, Okay, I 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:02.880 went eight nine to nine, so we overlapped for about 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:06.920 a year. Yeah. Yeah, it's a fun place. I haven't 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:10.000 been back since I left. I miss it, but I 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:15.200 left under such dire circumstances that yeah, just you know, 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:19.800 like breakups and weird friendships dissolving and everything and so like, 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:22.920 I've been scared away for years. But I think enough 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:25.480 time has passed. Now that's been you know, almost twenty years, 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:28.560 I think, or over twenty years, I think, um, you know, 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:31.960 it's uh, I think I'm I'm safe. Yeah, I think. 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:34.400 I think a lot of people have had that experience 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:36.400 where they see the town in their rear view mirror 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:41.320 and you're like never coming back. But I loved it, 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:44.200 I really did I loved um all these aspects of it. 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:46.560 I thought, you know, in many ways, I could stay 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:49.560 there forever um, which is a bit of a syndrome 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:53.160 of people who live in Athens. Absolutely, and uh, but 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:55.080 I loved you know, the taco stand in the grid 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:57.719 and yeah, um going to the forty one. I mean, 0:08:57.760 --> 0:09:00.600 I I loved it so much that it was it 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:03.000 was kind of a problem when I was in graduate 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:06.280 school because I was one of the graduate students who 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:09.440 like always went out and saw shows, and my friends 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:13.120 were you know, we're residents and not and not graduate students, 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:14.959 and so it always kind of pulled me in a 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:17.520 lot of different directions. I feel pretty sure if we 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:23.000 compared show notes from that we were at a lot 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:26.040 of the same shows, I would not doubt it. It's 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:29.040 totally I mean I went to I went to I 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:33.280 mean at that time, I was, you know, convinced a 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:35.200 that I was going to start my own record label. 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:41.440 Um be that I that I could not survive in 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:44.640 a place that didn't have at least two shows a 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:47.720 week that I wanted to go to. And I was 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:49.360 just like I was convinced. And one of the reasons 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:52.080 why I left graduate school was I had all these 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:54.959 friends because the you know post Stoc fellowships were so 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:59.280 competitive that they, you know, if they had to go 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:03.640 to some place some tiny town and do their post talk, 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:05.640 they just had to because it's like a h people 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:07.200 applied for it, and if they're lucky enough to get it, 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:09.199 they just had to take it. And I just couldn't 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:13.199 stand to have, you know, my life controlled by that. Yeah, 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:15.560 and I wanted to be someplace where I could you know, 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:17.480 like go see punk bands. I mean, it was just 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:19.440 like it was everything to me. And if you would 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:22.520 have told me I was just lame, middle aged guy 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:25.840 now who just like it barely can go out, you know, 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:28.320 like on like a good night, can barely go out 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:31.200 to see anybody. Would I would? I would. I would 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:33.240 be very shocked by it. But it was it was, 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:35.600 it was it meant everything to me. Yeah. I still 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:39.000 try to go to shows as much as possible, um, 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:41.520 and it helps when there are the venues that have 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:47.200 you know, uh decent starting times, you know, but some 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:49.240 of them there's a couple of the clubs here in 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:52.400 Atlanta that's still like the band's gonna go on at midnight, 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:54.680 and I just you know, you know how it is. 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:57.800 I can't do that. I can't do that. No. I 0:10:57.600 --> 0:11:00.600 I do think that there's a you know, like a 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:04.240 designed experience where you would if if a if a 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:07.880 venue really wanted to be very very good for all 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:11.360 ranges of people and like really start on time, really 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:14.440 published when everyone starts, do all that stuff. You I 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:18.760 feel like you would you would attract a really loyal 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:22.160 clientele totally if you did that. But um, that's just 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:24.320 not the way that those places work. Yeah, I mean 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:28.720 I feel lucky if I can get start times exactly. Yeah, 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:30.600 you know, so there's like so now I go like 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:33.280 if I know, if I know someone you know, and 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:35.160 I feel like it's like, oh yeah, it'll be nice 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:36.760 to just to see that person and stuff like that. 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:39.559 But I don't do exploratory. You know. Here's a band 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:43.920 on a label that I like, Yeah, which was you 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:47.599 could go to the fort on a blurb from the 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:51.320 flagpole for five bucks on a Thursday night. I totally 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:54.720 have your mind blown. Yeah, and that I that I 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:57.959 miss I missed that a lot, me too. You should 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:00.000 get rid of these kids and move back to Athens. 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:04.479 We should just follow around funk fans around the country. 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:08.880 So your your movie going experience though, was largely like 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:12.240 where when we're your kind of early teen years is 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:16.760 that North Carolina early teen years would have been Ohio. Actually, 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:21.640 so I moved to Ohio and in the third grade, 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:26.720 and so that that would be the time when I, um, 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:28.760 you know, I could probably go to movies on my 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:30.800 own with a friend, you know, to be dropped off 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:34.760 see things. Um. We we had no real policy at 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:37.480 my house in terms of whether or not I could 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:40.120 watch all raged movies or whatever. I could watch whatever. 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:46.240 I worked my my cousin in Memphis, who I spent 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:49.520 summers with. She owned a video store, and I worked 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:53.079 in the video store all summer long as a sort 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:57.280 of unpaid teen you know, like underage employee, And so 0:12:57.400 --> 0:12:59.880 I would watch movies all the time there and take 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:06.320 movies home and um and so uh but then I would, 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:08.800 you know, I would go see I mean, I don't 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:11.040 know if my movie tastes like all that different than 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:13.560 what it was when I was a teen. I just 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:15.880 had a lot of access to I really fell in 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:19.719 love with like kind of older seventies movies. Um. At 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:21.920 that at the period when I was going to the 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:25.120 video store a lot or work in the video store 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:28.480 a lot um and so I think of movies. I 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:31.440 don't think of movies as things in a theater. I 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:35.040 think of those um VHS boxes and the box art. 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:38.240 That's that's my if if you were to say, do 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:40.720 you like movies? That like, that's the picture I have, 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:45.000 is that rather than a movie theater. Yeah, that's funny, man, 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:48.400 because my grandparents and my mom are from Memphis, and 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:50.880 I would spend a lot of summers, not full summers, 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:54.240 in Memphis with my grandparents. So uh, I think you 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:56.880 and I were constantly crossing paths. It seems like over 0:13:56.920 --> 0:14:00.440 the years, what part of Ohio they lived in Memphis Town? 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:04.120 What part of town Memphis? Um, they had a house 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:09.920 in Germantown, No Ship, Yeah, Like that's literally where I 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:14.360 lived in Germantown. That's so funny, what if like, well, 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:17.040 I didn't like, I didn't get out much, like you know, 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:18.719 when you go the grandparents house, there's a lot of 0:14:18.920 --> 0:14:20.800 staying in. So that's kind of mainly what we did. 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:24.840 But we my aunt lived in Germantown and my cousin 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:27.320 lived with her on and off different times, and the 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:29.960 video store was in Germantown. They didn't move, and they 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:32.880 moved to mid Midtown in Memphis later on, so I 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:35.360 got so I got no Midtown, but yeah, it was. 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:38.880 It was all Germantown. It was crazy what part of 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:44.040 Ohio Central Ohio. Um, it was. Newark is kind of 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:48.040 outside Columbus. So it's a small, you know, industrial town, 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:50.960 very now very depressed. I don't I don't know what's 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:54.440 going on there these days. But I would go into 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:57.200 Columbus to have my sort of culture. But you could 0:14:57.240 --> 0:15:00.440 be dropped off at Indian Mount Mall and uh and 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:01.960 and watch a movie and that was okay. And there 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:05.120 was still like a dollar theater kind of nearby my house, 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:08.600 like a second run theater, which is that's the if 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:12.240 of all you know, movie things I get nostalgic for. 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:15.480 It's probably the existence of second run theaters, which don't 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:18.320 really happen much here in the Bay Area. That's not 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:21.560 a thing, you know, like cheap theaters. Yeah, I think 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:24.840 they're probably is still one in Atlanta. When I grew up, though, Um, 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:27.920 I'm the same as you. There was one cent movie 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:30.920 near North Lake Mall and I think it had two 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:36.120 screens and we went there, uh because second run I 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:38.000 don't know how it's done these days, but it's not 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:42.040 like the second run was that far behind first run totally. 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:45.880 At Yeah, we had my um where I lived in Chicago, 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:50.840 uh um more when I was an adult, um there 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:52.920 was I lived in Logan Square and there was a 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:56.040 Logan Theater. It was a second run theater. We used 0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:59.440 to call it Logan second Run and uh and it was. 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:02.080 It was a great place, like it's when when my 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:05.000 kids were born, when I lived in that apartment, and 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:07.440 so I could just I just would walk over and 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:09.760 I'd watch anything for like a couple of bucks just 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:11.960 to get out of the house, you know, yeah, because 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:14.880 they're they're more than a dollar now, right, yeah, I 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:17.240 think they were. Maybe it might have been three or something. 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:20.200 But it was like in this great neighborhood and you 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:23.360 they put out popcorn and or that you could get 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:25.920 popcorn and they always had hot sauce for your popcorn, 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:29.520 which a real which is a real great Latino neighborhood 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:33.240 sort of uh perk. And so I would get a 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:36.360 bag of popcorn and put a bunch of hot sauce 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:38.320 on it, and then you get in the theater. That's 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:41.760 a great place. It's funny because the theater, they remember, 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:46.280 they had a huge stack of pennies and it was 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:49.240 you know, they didn't round up. They would slide the 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:53.240 penny and your ticket stub across. And I always thought 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:54.840 that was kind of a nice touch that wasn't lost 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:57.920 on me, even as like a twelve year old. That's hilarious. 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:01.560 That's hilarious. So you remember your first I mean you 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:03.440 might as well get into Jaws. Do you remember your 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:05.240 the first time you saw that? I imagine it was 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:09.600 on VHS. It was, Um, I definitely saw Jaws on 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:12.440 VHS because I was born in seventy four, so um, 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:14.639 you know, it probably lasted and came back in the 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:17.960 theaters while I was you know, cognizant and going to movies, 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:21.280 and I was taking to movies that were wholly inappropriate 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:24.520 when I was a kid. My first movie memory is 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:27.359 going to see Blue Lagoon maybe as a four or 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:32.760 five year old. Um. And then I saw Star Trek 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:36.920 the for the motion picture, which is almost more inappropriate 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:38.760 for a child of that I was. I was so bored. 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:41.480 I just remember like being kind of into it visually, 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:45.480 but just being so bored. It's pretty slow movie. Yeah, 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:48.639 So I definitely saw Jaws and as a come in 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:52.520 a combination of like VHS and also UM. By the 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:57.040 time I was thirteen or so, I had a little 0:17:57.080 --> 0:18:02.560 thirteen inch TV in my bedroom, m and I you know, 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:06.240 and it was on you know, cable was expanding, and 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:10.640 it was on TBS probably you know, like every couple 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:13.560 of weeks or every couple of days or something. And 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:18.280 it's a it's such a weirdly complex movie. I mean, 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:21.080 I mean, I don't say complex, it's more like it 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:23.560 has all these scenes in it that you don't remember. 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:27.479 Like it has it's just this richness of of scenes 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:29.679 and moments that when you think about Jaws, you think 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:32.000 about the whole last section where they're on the ocean. 0:18:32.400 --> 0:18:35.760 There's a whole hour where they're not, you know, and 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:38.560 and so you would catch at different times and you're like, wow, 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:41.200 I don't remember this at all, you know, And I 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:44.400 feel like I saw bits and pieces of it like that, 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:47.320 and you know, learn to fall in love with every 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:50.080 aspect of it, not just you know, a dude being 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:53.000 chomped in half and um. And that's when I really 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:55.960 fell in love with it, probably more on TV than 0:18:56.000 --> 0:19:00.920 anything else. Yeah, same here, I mean I was, um, um, 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:04.160 about three years older than you, So I was old 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:07.480 enough to where I remember, and it ran forever in 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:10.080 the movie theaters. It was back then when you know, 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:12.520 they would tellt like you know, four hundred days in 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:16.119 and stuff like that and adds, which is just crazy 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:21.120 to think about now. Um, But I remember it being 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:25.280 a pop culture phenomenon. And I remember obviously I wasn't 0:19:25.280 --> 0:19:27.440 allowed to see it because I had a kind of 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:30.520 different deal growing up Southern Baptist. I was way sheltered, 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:33.080 and they my parents tried to keep me from indulging 0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:37.280 in anything that was good and cool. Um. But uh, 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:41.879 I remember being you know, five years old and knowing 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:45.840 Jaws was a thing, seeing the book mainly on shelves, 0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:50.480 and that huge, ridiculously huge shark on the book in 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:55.000 the poster, and uh knowing that music, and and obviously 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:58.439 being a little Baptist boy being very titillated by that 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:04.240 opening sequence of uh, the you know, shadowy naked lady. Um. 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:06.159 That's why when you said Blue Lagoon, I still had 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:08.680 a little like shiver that went up my spine because 0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:10.600 that movie as a as a young boy, was like, 0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:15.440 oh my goodness, It's like the dirtiest thing ever. Uh, 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:18.760 it's probably very tame looking back. I haven't seen I've 0:20:18.840 --> 0:20:30.680 never revisited it, but my my guess is it's totally tame. Yeah, 0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:33.719 so Jaws. I remember it being a thing. I remember 0:20:33.720 --> 0:20:37.520 it being out in the news, and I remember I 0:20:37.560 --> 0:20:40.080 remember it's scaring me to go on the ocean, even 0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:44.520 though I hadn't even seen the movie. Yeah, I feel 0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:49.159 like I um, I think my fear of it predated 0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:53.480 my real exposure to it as well. I think my 0:20:54.280 --> 0:20:57.359 and it was so pervasive that I was this the 0:20:57.440 --> 0:21:01.400 same you know, when I would my one family member 0:21:01.400 --> 0:21:04.359 who lived in Germantown had a pool, and I'd be 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:10.760 scared of the pool, which is insane. I had the 0:21:10.800 --> 0:21:18.840 same experience and so just scared of water exactly, which 0:21:18.880 --> 0:21:22.120 is just absurd. And so it was. It was real visceral. 0:21:22.240 --> 0:21:25.200 I mean that that fear of nature in that way 0:21:25.359 --> 0:21:28.800 just is is crazy and you just can't outrun it. 0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:32.120 It's just nuts. And when we were I was talking 0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:34.280 to my boys about watching it and how it's my 0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:37.000 favorite movie and they know it's my favorite movie, and 0:21:37.040 --> 0:21:38.480 they're like, when can we watch it? And I'm like, 0:21:38.520 --> 0:21:42.359 I don't know. Never Why don't you just like, you know, 0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:45.040 like I know, it's great, and maybe when you decide 0:21:45.080 --> 0:21:46.960 that you can do it yourself and you can buy 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:51.679 your own when you have your own Amazon accounts, that 0:21:51.800 --> 0:21:53.960 you can watch it. But I feel like I would 0:21:54.000 --> 0:21:56.920 just be paying for it forever. You know, while they're 0:21:57.000 --> 0:21:59.800 in my house. How old are they let them watch DAWs? 0:22:00.440 --> 0:22:04.000 They're ten, twin boys or ten, that's about the age 0:22:04.119 --> 0:22:09.000 Roman he might know into Jaws. I know it's is 0:22:09.000 --> 0:22:11.439 definitely time and they're into it. But I and I 0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:13.760 love everything about it. I mean the thing about the 0:22:13.800 --> 0:22:16.439 movie and I figured out later on, you know, in 0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:19.000 addition to like it, you know, like it having like 0:22:19.040 --> 0:22:23.159 a real like, it has a real primal response in me. 0:22:23.800 --> 0:22:25.399 I think if it is, I think if it is 0:22:25.440 --> 0:22:28.600 the best horror movie almost ever made. I think it's 0:22:28.600 --> 0:22:30.480 the best adventure movie. I think it is the best 0:22:30.520 --> 0:22:33.440 body comedy. And it's all put together in this way 0:22:34.200 --> 0:22:37.520