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Speaker 3: We would very much appreciate that. As Dan mentioned, our
Speaker 3: guest of honor today, Mike Goulig Junior, formerly a ESPN
Speaker 3: now former Notre Dame player. We had Mike on Gosh,
Speaker 3: I can't even tell you how many times we've had
Speaker 3: him on. It's been a handful of times. At one point,
Speaker 3: at one point I interviewed him to talk about Notre Dame.
Speaker 3: I think it was a solo thing, certainly through the pandemic.
Speaker 2: We had him on to.
Speaker 3: Do our little barroom slash Twitter trivia game that we
Speaker 3: were playing. We may have had him on at another
Speaker 3: point in time.
Speaker 2: We did because we talked about the coffee mapps.
Speaker 3: That's right, that's right, yep. So I feel like I'm
Speaker 3: a little bit unprepared with the exact chronology of events
Speaker 3: here as it relates to mister Golick. But he's going
Speaker 3: to be stopping by. Just want to get his deal man,
Speaker 3: not necessarily what's next for him?
Speaker 2: What's your deal man?
Speaker 3: But I mean, look, he's got a lot of interesting
Speaker 3: experience as it related to college football. He's played, he's
Speaker 3: broadcasted across a number of different mediums. Now I'm just
Speaker 3: interested in is a historian and where he's at now
Speaker 3: with the rapid pace of change in college football?
Speaker 2: Can I give Mike before he comes on the best
Speaker 2: possible compliment? I think I can give somebody in his position,
Speaker 2: which is somebody who does, who has done and will
Speaker 2: continue to do. I hope and think radio or audio
Speaker 2: in some capacity has called games on TV and radio
Speaker 2: has you know, done the live stream thing for ESPN,
Speaker 2: and it will continue to be a voice within the sport.
Speaker 2: But he seems to really like football, and that's not
Speaker 2: always the most clear thing among people who are especially
Speaker 2: radio and audio team whatever that they're like. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of people out there who like being right about
Speaker 2: football your alters of dan types, but they seem to like,
Speaker 2: here is my insight about how football is, rather than Hey,
Speaker 2: wasn't that cool that that football thing happened? Or isn't
Speaker 2: it cool that this football thing is happening? What do
Speaker 2: you think will happen? Isn't it cool that all sorts
Speaker 2: of things could happen. Isn't it cool that these players
Speaker 2: are playing? And I don't always get that as I
Speaker 2: look across social media or I look across TV radio
Speaker 2: podcasting that landscape, and I think Mike is a prime
Speaker 2: example of somebody who just is super into football, which
Speaker 2: I like. How about that? Does that make sense to you?
Speaker 3: He's got an authenticity to him. Yeah, plays well here,
Speaker 3: So Michael Junior, gonna stop by here momentarily. Again, don't
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Speaker 3: our friend currently in between jobs.
Speaker 2: You know him?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 3: I think the last time we had him on was
Speaker 3: to talk about something in the Notre Dame world, or
Speaker 3: maybe we did trivia during the it's been a while,
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I think so, Mike Golick Junior, how are you, sir?
Speaker 1: I'm good. Yeah. It was pandemic trivia and I was
Speaker 1: really like silently hoping that that wasn't what I was
Speaker 1: coming back on now, just because as you guys saw,
Speaker 1: I suck so bad at trivia that every time I
Speaker 1: am forced to do it in public, it is like
Speaker 1: a reminder of my like biggest insecurity.
Speaker 2: What I want to do ty is and I don't
Speaker 2: have the questions in front of him. I want to
Speaker 2: do specific trivia for Mike Golick Junior's interests, right, Like
Speaker 2: wheelhouse trivia is my favorite kind of thing, because then
Speaker 2: not only will he know the answers, but we'll all
Speaker 2: be impressed with like local Connecticut zoning laws or something
Speaker 2: that is just so specific to what he knows about.
Speaker 2: I don't know why I mentioned that, but yeah.
Speaker 1: A local Connecticut zoning laws, the rotating cast of monthly
Speaker 1: donuts offered at the donut place that I go to
Speaker 1: down the street every week. Anything at this point, anything
Speaker 1: having to do with mayonnaise, because that's apparently who I am.
Speaker 2: Now it's your corner. Do you have the most inventive
Speaker 2: donut donut that you've seen like the last year. Is
Speaker 2: there something that people should keep an eye out for
Speaker 2: trend wise in the donut world?
Speaker 1: I would say trend wise were really majoring in a
Speaker 1: lot of the same stuff we have been for a while.
Speaker 1: Red velvet, I think is always going to be something sexy,
Speaker 1: visually pleasing, flavor wise and riching. The donut shot by
Speaker 1: me Donut Crazy in West Harford, Connecticut. A little bit
Speaker 1: of free pub for them, because wonderful. They do a
Speaker 1: red velvet donut that has like cookie dough shoved inside
Speaker 1: and then puts a burnt marshmallow on top, and then
Speaker 1: there's a little other coating there. Like it's really just like,
Speaker 1: for lack of a better terms, like a flavor orgy
Speaker 1: that goes down there.
Speaker 2: So I so there's obviously a lot of people know about,
Speaker 2: like the maple bacon bars that's become a thing that
Speaker 2: is that has swept the donut world. I saw a
Speaker 2: new sweet and savory combo just on a menu. I
Speaker 2: haven't had it yet, but there's a place here in
Speaker 2: Chicago that does a fries in the frosty donut with
Speaker 2: little bits of potato above a chocolate ganache donut. So
Speaker 2: you have that sweet and savory, which if you're a
Speaker 2: fries and frosty person, that should resonate.
Speaker 1: I feel like if you're anyone, that should resonate. Like again,
Speaker 1: like texture wise, it's a delight in the sweet and
Speaker 1: savories and undefeated. Man, I'm very intrigued.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very So next time you come out here to visit,
Speaker 2: Adam a mean or me or some might need to
Speaker 2: go out of your way tire you. You look skeptical.
Speaker 3: Ty, I'm just trying to figure out the economics of this.
Speaker 2: I think it's like potato Crispi's.
Speaker 3: But there's so much that goes into making the donut.
Speaker 2: How much does it cost?
Speaker 3: And could it possibly be worth it for the guy
Speaker 3: making it? Oh?
Speaker 2: It's god. I mean, I don't think the ingredients of
Speaker 2: the issue. It's just a chocolate donut with like potato crispies,
Speaker 2: a top and and people of the donut ilk I'll
Speaker 2: on Mike Golick Junior are willing to pay for a
Speaker 2: premium product.
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, okay, that is the thing I'm walking into
Speaker 1: you know this spot out here, and they have that
Speaker 1: delineation where it's very upfront like, hey, the crazies as
Speaker 1: they're called, which are the rotating cast of specialty donuts,
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to pay a little more out of
Speaker 1: pocket for these yah and people are lining up down
Speaker 1: the street for it. So it is, you know, if
Speaker 1: you got the donut artistry in the imagination Spungs feel
Speaker 1: like a low cost place too. I mean, hell, like
Speaker 1: potatoes and peanuts. Five guys literally has peanuts stacked by
Speaker 1: the door like they're going out of style, right. I
Speaker 1: think anything in that range is probably gonna be okay.
Speaker 2: Is that does that suit you? Type?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: I guess yeah. I'm not preparing to talk about donuts,
Speaker 3: you know me, It's just not my lane. So, mister Golic,
Speaker 3: college football is sort of our thing here. You've had
Speaker 3: a few months now to sort of catch your breath
Speaker 3: as you kind of plot your next move. College football
Speaker 3: has been ever so complicated over the last couple of months,
Speaker 3: not just with coaches moving around Nil certainly taking more
Speaker 3: of a front seat in the recruiting game. We also
Speaker 3: have a lot of movement on the transfer portal. What
Speaker 3: has it been like for you as a former player,
Speaker 3: as a media personality, someone who I would imagine is
Speaker 3: always going to be invested pretty heavily in college football.
Speaker 3: How have you been able to keep track of all
Speaker 3: of this stuff going on? And has it at all
Speaker 3: affected your love foresaid thing?
Speaker 1: No, I think like because the one part of college football,
Speaker 1: and I remember having this conversation with my dad this
Speaker 1: last football season because he was doing college games for
Speaker 1: Learfield IMG on radio and NFL games for Westwood One,
Speaker 1: and we were just remarking, and I've talked about this
Speaker 1: with Adam Amean before another, but just how much easier
Speaker 1: the preparation is for the NFL product than the college product,
Speaker 1: because you've got so much more roster stability year over years,
Speaker 1: certainly smaller rosters, especially on game day, a more well
Speaker 1: known cast of characters. College football has always been difficult
Speaker 1: because you've got new cycles of players coming in every year,
Speaker 1: and now you've just upgraded the volatility and movement for
Speaker 1: all this That makes it a little harder to keep
Speaker 1: track of, but I think also just inherently a lot
Speaker 1: more fun. I'm always going to skew pro player rights
Speaker 1: just because that came from and so I just a
Speaker 1: perfect example. I did the Inside the Gross podcast with
Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton and the Notre Dame players this last week
Speaker 1: and just seeing what they've been able to do with that,
Speaker 1: and seeing the way that now all of the parts
Speaker 1: of recruiting that had been you know, we talk about
Speaker 1: happening under the table, and the payouts and the things
Speaker 1: like that are starting to you know, just reshape in
Speaker 1: the form of collectives that are putting money into these programs,
Speaker 1: and the way it's all reshaped to essentially, finally say,
Speaker 1: the funding that we have seen support the marquee programs
Speaker 1: in college football is now starting to go towards the
Speaker 1: players instead of putting an expensive name on another building
Speaker 1: or an indoor facility. To me, seems like progress in
Speaker 1: the ways that I want, even if it's going to
Speaker 1: come with some complications in the.
Speaker 2: Interim fair one of the things I talked about recently
Speaker 2: and I was trying to sort of make sense of
Speaker 2: because I think nil is a no brainer and hopefully
Speaker 2: just a first step. I think it's a no brainer
Speaker 2: in terms of we're seeing more humans from players, right,
Speaker 2: We're seeing the guys with personality, hopefully more and more
Speaker 2: shine and build up and I hate the word brand,
Speaker 2: but build up a place within the sport where if
Speaker 2: you're living in Florida, but there's a quarterback at Washington
Speaker 2: State with a big personality and doing cool things, whether
Speaker 2: it's on Instagram or whatever, you're like, oh, that's cool.
Speaker 2: I like this guy. I'm going to follow Washington State
Speaker 2: games more than I perhaps was. That's the goal with
Speaker 2: all of this that we have a more human sport.
Speaker 2: But another part of me and I don't know if
Speaker 2: it's nil, and you know, I think it's heart of
Speaker 2: transfer portals and opt outs and coaches moving around, players
Speaker 2: moving around. Is it's difficult to be a college football fan.
Speaker 2: It's easy to be an Arkansas fan. It's easy to
Speaker 2: be an Arizona State fan. Well not lately, but it's
Speaker 2: easy to be a fan of a team. The sport
Speaker 2: is incredibly complicated. If you're just like college football, what's
Speaker 2: the deal with that? I'm going to learn more and
Speaker 2: you're like, well, welcome to recruiting, welcome to buyouts, welcome
Speaker 2: to four hundred and thirty seven things that you have
Speaker 2: to follow that you don't if you just want to
Speaker 2: kind of get into the NFL. Is college football going
Speaker 2: down a road? And I think it is that it's
Speaker 2: becoming very gradually kind of anti fan in how difficult
Speaker 2: it is to follow.
Speaker 1: I would say no, just because we've seen other sports
Speaker 1: exist with a similar model. Like I've said this a
Speaker 1: million times in anyone I've talked to recently because I
Speaker 1: just finished reading it, but I read the club talking about,
Speaker 1: you know, the format start of the Premier league, and
Speaker 1: it is I mean, the Premier League to me, is
Speaker 1: a great comp for what college football is, which is
Speaker 1: this mass of you know, somewhat related entities who all
Speaker 1: play the same sport, who vary in the way that
Speaker 1: they bring money into that sport, where really it is
Speaker 1: mostly driven by the upper crust of about twenty to
Speaker 1: twenty five teams that do the bulk of the heavy
Speaker 1: lifting in something that's extremely complicated with transfer windows, the
Speaker 1: amount of things that go on with their transaction wise,
Speaker 1: that for American fans can be somewhat daunting. So I
Speaker 1: still think we've seen like people are willing to understand that.
Speaker 1: But I think it's also on the other end. Makes
Speaker 1: it really interesting with the presentation because we hear a
Speaker 1: lot of the criticism of the College Football Playoff, the
Speaker 1: focus on the drive towards the College Football Playoff. Obviously, ESPN,
Speaker 1: my former employer, takes a lot of heat for the
Speaker 1: way that that's presented in making it seem like the
Speaker 1: only part. But to your point, if you are trying
Speaker 1: to market this as a national product and a national game,
Speaker 1: is there not an argument to say, hey, maybe simplifying
Speaker 1: the formula and saying being one of these four teams.
Speaker 1: Good being on the outside of that bad and letting
Speaker 1: that be a part of the sport, knowing that you
Speaker 1: can have access to all these other more complicated things
Speaker 1: if you want to dive into the deep.
Speaker 3: End, right, Mike, I want you to put your player
Speaker 3: hat back on for a second. Everybody in college football
Speaker 3: media with a microphone has some sort of opinion on
Speaker 3: playoff expansion.
Speaker 2: Keep it at.
Speaker 3: Four, move to twelve, go to sixteen, like it runs
Speaker 3: the full gamut. As you know, from a player's perspective,
Speaker 3: the thought of having a couple extra playoff games, perhaps
Speaker 3: having a wider net as it relates to qualification for
Speaker 3: the playoff. How do you think players feel about that possibility?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, It's so funny. I the more
Speaker 1: and more I do this, the more I think back,
Speaker 1: I was like, as a player, you really are so
Speaker 1: locked into And this was I think something that was
Speaker 1: probably more common when I was in school, which is,
Speaker 1: you know, over a decade about a decade ago now
Speaker 1: compared to now, where these players do have a lot
Speaker 1: more voice. Part of NIL and all the things that
Speaker 1: we've seen about player rights is we've seen an increasing
Speaker 1: uptick in their ability to way in on these things
Speaker 1: and their willingness to way in on these things. So
Speaker 1: I won't necessarily paint them with the same rush I'm
Speaker 1: gonna paint us with. But we just didn't think about
Speaker 1: it quite as much, right We were more, Hey, we're
Speaker 1: going to show up, give us the parameters, and we'll
Speaker 1: go out and operate in the midst of that. And
Speaker 1: so there was I think a little more willingness. You know, Millennials,
Speaker 1: we were tagged as the Why generation pretty early, where
Speaker 1: we wanted a little more reasoning. But I think in general,
Speaker 1: it's you're a high level competitor who came there or
Speaker 1: the opportunity to win a national championship. For me, specifically,
Speaker 1: you're at Notre Dame. You didn't have anything else, you
Speaker 1: didn't have the conference stuff, so that was your only goal.
Speaker 1: And so if you're given a broader avenue to that,
Speaker 1: and if you are Notre Dame, if you're the PAC twelve,
Speaker 1: if you're the group of five, that's certainly enticing in
Speaker 1: those ways. And I think now we're just getting more
Speaker 1: players that are maybe realizing obviously the wealth and equity
Speaker 1: in the people in the center of the arena and
Speaker 1: the people surrounding the sport that make all the cash,
Speaker 1: but also the part about their bodies, Like at some
Speaker 1: point that part of the conversation won't be had because
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, we all know that's
Speaker 1: not going to drive or effect decision making at all
Speaker 1: in this process, which is the shame. But it's the
Speaker 1: reality that you're asking players that are still in the
Speaker 1: development portion physically and otherwise in their careers to go
Speaker 1: out and tack on even a few more games to
Speaker 1: all that, and that affects the NFL guys that are
Speaker 1: going to potentially go on where you've got that long
Speaker 1: year where it's combine training into pro days and rookie
Speaker 1: camps and you don't really have that break, and the
Speaker 1: players on the other side of that that are just
Speaker 1: you know, being taxed more than they used to. But
Speaker 1: I think that's definitely a factor, and I think we
Speaker 1: see guys a little more aware of that now. But
Speaker 1: in general, you're high level competitors with a limited window
Speaker 1: to do this. We all probably would have been like,
Speaker 1: all right, that means we got a better chance going
Speaker 1: into the season, and that's probably a good thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're right, you know, in general, the
Speaker 3: whole topic of player conditioning player safety is one that
Speaker 3: was sort of underserved while all of this was circulating
Speaker 3: out there about playoff expansion. I think it was the
Speaker 3: ACC commissioner who brought it up and caught some flack
Speaker 3: for it, but I think he was wise to at
Speaker 3: least try to bring it onto folks radar, Like, we
Speaker 3: could come to a point here pretty soon where you've
Speaker 3: got guys that are playing fifteen sixteen, maybe said, I
Speaker 3: don't know how many they're going to expand to, but
Speaker 3: a lot of games. It's like an NFL regular season.
Speaker 3: The difference being in the NFL you get paid to
Speaker 3: do it full time. You get paid to condition yourself
Speaker 3: full time. When you're in college, you got some other
Speaker 3: stuff on your plate, right, You're you're sort of in
Speaker 3: the developmental stage.
Speaker 2: And you have union, right, yes, and you pro to
Speaker 2: collectively bargain yeah, how many games?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And it's and listen, and I understand and hear
Speaker 1: people who say too that it's only going to be
Speaker 1: a select few teams that end up playing markedly more
Speaker 1: or even a couple more games than are on the
Speaker 1: schedule right now. Like all those things you apply, but
Speaker 1: you're right, it's that notion of the fairness of this
Speaker 1: was agreed upon by all of us, whereas now it's
Speaker 1: just dictated.
Speaker 3: To yeah, right, Yeah, I mean, I guess the thought
Speaker 3: that comes to mind for me is how many programs
Speaker 3: out there? And I think you're you're wise to point
Speaker 3: out it might only be a handful that consistently play
Speaker 3: that number of games in a given year. But it
Speaker 3: does make you wonder how many programs out there actually
Speaker 3: have the infrastructure, and by that I mean like conditioning
Speaker 3: infrastructure to handle that added burden, especially later in the
Speaker 3: year when bodies are breaking down a little bit more.
Speaker 3: It seems like that's quite a challenge that has not
Speaker 3: really been articulated well enough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's kind of going to be a
Speaker 1: similar answer to what we have now though, right, because
Speaker 1: I mean, even even going back, it's always been teams
Speaker 1: with the quality depth to manage that attrition. Like I
Speaker 1: remember talking about this leading up to the BCS when
Speaker 1: we played Bama, and the book was no one used
Speaker 1: that forty days better than Alabama because they've got so
Speaker 1: much quality depth. Nick grinds them so hard during the
Speaker 1: SEC season and then you get that time to build
Speaker 1: their bodies back up, and so I think we're going
Speaker 1: to see, you know, it's it's the teams that can
Speaker 1: recruit five star depth everywhere the way Alabama, Georgia, Ohio
Speaker 1: State and others have for so long that are going
Speaker 1: to be and you know, that are well funded enough,
Speaker 1: whose sports nutrition and sports science departments are at that
Speaker 1: point where they can use all that because I mean,
Speaker 1: now we're in the age of you know, movement tracking
Speaker 1: and all these different things that were you know, just
Speaker 1: being whispered about in you know, twenty twelve, twenty thirteen,
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen that are just accepted everyday parts of the sport.
Speaker 1: So I I think it's going to continue to be
Speaker 1: those sort of same things. I think it's who is
Speaker 1: the blue chip principal the blue tab ratio, Yeah, the
Speaker 1: blue chip ratio, but elliots, yeah, yeah, it's going to
Speaker 1: be that same principle. I think the Bud brought up
Speaker 1: because in general, the teams that are operating within those
Speaker 1: parameters are the ones that have the structure everywhere else
Speaker 1: to kind of feed what we're talking about.
Speaker 2: So what we're talking about right now is we're talking
Speaker 2: about the top of the top of the top of
Speaker 2: the sport, right, and that we're seeing a lot of
Speaker 2: the same teams playing a lot of the same games
Speaker 2: year over year. And your now former job, which you
Speaker 2: had like seven of them at ESPN, it seemed, whether
Speaker 2: it was calling games, whether it was doing your live stream,
Speaker 2: so it was doing your radio show, it involved a
Speaker 2: lot of conversation. And we are guilty of the same
Speaker 2: thing about the teams who are winning the most games,
Speaker 2: the teams who are putting themselves with the highest TV
Speaker 2: ratings that people care seem to care about the most.
Speaker 2: You've had this time away from a microphone, have you
Speaker 2: looked into the sports? Have you been able to take
Speaker 2: in have you been able to enjoy have you been
Speaker 2: able to be curious about teams in the sport, coaches
Speaker 2: in the sport, players in the sports, storylines within the
Speaker 2: sport that like it's sort of a welcome change where
Speaker 2: you're like, oh man, that is interesting what I was doing,
Speaker 2: which that's a bad example because it's not, but it
Speaker 2: is interesting, like what San Diego State's defense is doing,
Speaker 2: or it is interesting what you know Oregon or Florida,
Speaker 2: any of these teams. Is there something that like beneath
Speaker 2: everybody else that's been grant and that's been sort of
Speaker 2: getting you excited.
Speaker 1: Well, I think in general, I could say that feeling
Speaker 1: for me that was fed while I was still working
Speaker 1: at ESPN, but two years ago during the pandemic, when
Speaker 1: I got to do Thursday night games that at that
Speaker 1: point were largely group of five. You know, we're living
Speaker 1: in the mac and the Sun Belt and getting to
Speaker 1: see a lot more of those teams up close, because,
Speaker 1: as you guys know, calling games like you're dealing with
Speaker 1: a level of intimacy with the product that you don't
Speaker 1: get doing talk radio or doing our Twitter shows, and
Speaker 1: so that was all is fun for me to kind
Speaker 1: of then meet like I took so much pride in
Speaker 1: getting to call Buffalo games, and then that later that spring,
Speaker 1: walk into the draft and be like, I can't believe
Speaker 1: no one took a shot on Jared Patterson. He's going
Speaker 1: to wind up making some team better, only to watch
Speaker 1: him end up making the Washington football team roster. Like
Speaker 1: those things were always super endearing, and so now like
Speaker 1: heading into the twenty twenty two season, because of where
Speaker 1: I left the end of last season and because I
Speaker 1: got to deal with them a little bit like a
Speaker 1: couple of times really watching Shane Beemer, South Carolina product,
Speaker 1: and what that's going to morph into the guy who
Speaker 1: became sort of college footballs Ted Lasso, who pulled off
Speaker 1: one of I think this like we're going to have
Speaker 1: to in retrospect talk about a lot more because I
Speaker 1: just recently saw an article about it, the level of
Speaker 1: secrecy that went into DK Joyner playing quarterback in that hole.
Speaker 1: Yeah for South Carolina where no one, I mean they
Speaker 1: wouldn't even let him warm up in pregame for that
Speaker 1: one and get any sort of touches, and like what
Speaker 1: went into that from a strategic standpoint to go out
Speaker 1: and win. You know, the the border war in the
Speaker 1: Duke's Mayo Bowl was incredible. But now it's become this
Speaker 1: launching point where there are more added eyes on this
Speaker 1: South Carolina program where all right, we've got them, We've
Speaker 1: got Mississippi State, We've got you know, Josh Hipels Tennessee
Speaker 1: that really took off one tended hooker got under center
Speaker 1: last year. You've got a lot of those like mid
Speaker 1: tier programs in a number of conferences that have come
Speaker 1: up in that way. But like you're right getting to
Speaker 1: enjoy stuff like that, getting to read, you know, and
Speaker 1: try and look into more of what's going to happen
Speaker 1: with Pitt Now that you know, you've got Whipple that's
Speaker 1: gone down in Nebraska that you're you know, in the
Speaker 1: post Kenny Pickett, they just extended, you know, their coach
Speaker 1: till twenty thirty, So all all of those things. You're right,
Speaker 1: I probably have a little more time to consume now,
Speaker 1: but those were things that were getting fed I think
Speaker 1: in large part because I was calling games more consistently.
Speaker 2: One of the things that we've talked about that I'm
Speaker 2: curious what your opinion is or I guess it's more
Speaker 2: of a I don't know if it's a trend, but
Speaker 2: it could be something worth following is the way coaches
Speaker 2: are reacting to the realities of twenty twenty two and beyond.
Speaker 2: And we have some older, grizzled guys, and whether it's
Speaker 2: recruiting who are like good coaches but like not putting
Speaker 2: the emphasis like what we've heard about Dan Mullin at Florida,
Speaker 2: like great offensive mind, disappointing results on the recruiting trail.
Speaker 2: Future didn't look bright. A change was needed, right and
Speaker 2: the locker room was lost. So there's like this culture
Speaker 2: recruiting guy versus like these grizzled old older coaches guy.
Speaker 2: Like there was the example, I think Chris Peterson was like,
Speaker 2: who's smarter than Chris Peterson? Who's a better coach? An
Speaker 2: offensive coach than Chris Peterson is a head coach? And
Speaker 2: by the end of his tenure he was like, I
Speaker 2: don't like the portal. I don't like where recruiting is going.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna call you know, games and I'm gonna do
Speaker 2: TV for Fox. That's I want to be a receivers
Speaker 2: coach at UC Davis. That's like one of the things
Speaker 2: he told Bruce Felman. I don't want to call it
Speaker 2: a talent drain, but do you see this heading in
Speaker 2: a dramatic coaching talent shift to those who are willing
Speaker 2: to accept realities and not willing to accept realities?
Speaker 1: Oh? I absolutely think so. Because the one thing in
Speaker 1: all of this, as much as I'm going to skew
Speaker 1: pro player and as much as what I say is
Speaker 1: always couch with your well paid so do it, is
Speaker 1: the understanding that the workload for coaches just went up
Speaker 1: a number fold, right from having to you know, make
Speaker 1: sure and they say recruit your own players. To me,
Speaker 1: it's always you've just got to keep the promises a
Speaker 1: lot more consistently than a lot of people probably have
Speaker 1: in the past, because that's always a part of this
Speaker 1: is where if you're being consistent in your message, the
Speaker 1: way it's applied, and the way that you build those relationships,
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty easy. Matt Brown was really insightful
Speaker 1: talking to him in the lead up for that Bowl
Speaker 1: game about the portal, which is, if we're doing our
Speaker 1: job the right way, players will want to stay. And
Speaker 1: if players want to leave, then the promises we made
Speaker 1: to them and their families in their living room where
Speaker 1: we were going to do right by them, And so
Speaker 1: he goes. We have all always tried to help whoever
Speaker 1: wants to leave wind up in that next spot, but
Speaker 1: it's still extra work. And so I think it'll be
Speaker 1: interesting if it makes the general coaching pool even younger
Speaker 1: than it had already been trending. Right we'd seen college
Speaker 1: and pro this tendency towards young, especially offensive minded coordinators
Speaker 1: getting a lot of these head jobs, and now you
Speaker 1: wonder if just because of the physical demand, you know,
Speaker 1: we'd notre name Marcus Freeman, him saying I'm going to
Speaker 1: be involved in every one of these recruiting pitches. I'm
Speaker 1: going to be in every kid's phone book and living
Speaker 1: room and just watching that world tour he went on
Speaker 1: the jet after he got signed, you know, leading up
Speaker 1: to the Fiesta Bal. I don't know if that's something that,
Speaker 1: like physically, people can really hold on to for all
Speaker 1: that long. And so you wonder if all of that
Speaker 1: does skew younger because I wouldn't blame a lot of
Speaker 1: these guys who have been around. Hell, even Dabo Sweeney
Speaker 1: when we talked to him during the season, he was
Speaker 1: one that was criticized for not necessarily being as involved
Speaker 1: in the portal. They had a bunch of guys leave,
Speaker 1: not a lot of guys come in. And he really
Speaker 1: hugs tight that mantra of we believe we build guys
Speaker 1: here through our culture. That still, even though we recruit
Speaker 1: at a high level now, our foundation is player development.
Speaker 1: All of these things you've seen Dabbo resistant to some
Speaker 1: of the change in college football for a while. But
Speaker 1: you a wonder if there are others like him who
Speaker 1: are certainly less successful, who just say, yeah, you know what,
Speaker 1: I've made enough money. I can go do something else
Speaker 1: and leave this to people who might be more willing
Speaker 1: to on the upward trajectory of their career absorb all
Speaker 1: this new workflow.
Speaker 2: You've been around players for a good amount of time now,
Speaker 2: dating back to when you played calling games, being around
Speaker 2: interviewing players, talking with players before games you call. Has
Speaker 2: there been a change at all in what you get from?
Speaker 2: And look, it's very easy to say like kids these
Speaker 2: days whatever, but like, I don't know eighteen year olds
Speaker 2: or eighteen year olds on a certain level, but they
Speaker 2: are faced with demands that TI didn't have to face
Speaker 2: when he was in college in the seventies. I didn't
Speaker 2: have to face, you know, as a non player obviously
Speaker 2: that you didn't have to face being recruited. And you know, whatever,
Speaker 2: two thousand and nine does. Does anything unique strike you
Speaker 2: about this current generation of players in terms of savviness,
Speaker 2: in terms of personality, in terms like is there anything
Speaker 2: unique to where we are right now in terms of
Speaker 2: this generation of players?
Speaker 1: I'd say, in general, like the meat of the bell
Speaker 1: curve is pretty similar, right, because so much of what
Speaker 1: we deal with is on the extremes in the media,
Speaker 1: and the meat of the Bell curve is honestly guys
Speaker 1: like me, Guys that wait three four years to get
Speaker 1: their chance to hopefully start a handful of games, to
Speaker 1: live out this dream of doing what they want to
Speaker 1: do and have the potential to change their family's life,
Speaker 1: whether it's through the education they receive or the potential
Speaker 1: for NFL dollars, and like all that stuff's they are
Speaker 1: all like the normal silly stuff that comes along with
Speaker 1: being eighteen to twenty two is there. But I think
Speaker 1: the one part that's been striking to me in a
Speaker 1: number of ways is how quick these guys have had
Speaker 1: to grow up through recruiting. Yep, Like we knew going
Speaker 1: back to when Lane offered you know whoever it was
Speaker 1: back in seventh grade. Like life kind of changed then
Speaker 1: with how quickly the eyeballs were on you. And I
Speaker 1: just remember when I was getting recruited, we were at
Speaker 1: the beginning of like those Nike Spark training things where
Speaker 1: they'd go through and rank guys on the other side
Speaker 1: of and it was starting to become that recruiting circuit
Speaker 1: was vital to your opportunity to go and receive a scholarship.
Speaker 1: Before I committed to Notre Dame. I was scheduled to
Speaker 1: go to like five different junior days that next month.
Speaker 1: You're going to hit the camp circuit that summer heading
Speaker 1: into senior year. Now, if you're not doing that as
Speaker 1: a freshman sophomore, if you're not involved in you know,
Speaker 1: elead eleven for quarterbacks, the seven on seven tournaments that
Speaker 1: have proliferated the sport. How those and the coaches involved
Speaker 1: in those have become a part of this recruiting process
Speaker 1: has already changed the way that players have to approach
Speaker 1: this decision, being more professional about it early on. Now
Speaker 1: you throw nil in on top of that, where the
Speaker 1: worry for always me, always for me, and I've seen
Speaker 1: born out in some of the reporting around this is
Speaker 1: you're going to get sixteen seventeen year olds that are
Speaker 1: approached with contracts that in some cases are bad, that
Speaker 1: are predatory, that are taking advantage of their rights at
Speaker 1: a time where they're seeing dollar amounts they could never
Speaker 1: have dreamed of, and they don't yet have at their
Speaker 1: disposal legal counsel people that can read over these contracts
Speaker 1: and help them, and so in a lot of ways,
Speaker 1: they've already had to grow up fast, and now we're
Speaker 1: about to watch that even hit hyper drive for the
Speaker 1: upper crust of the sport. You know, we're sitting around
Speaker 1: all debating the nil money that's coming arch Manning's way.
Speaker 1: Thank God, he has got an entire family lineage of
Speaker 1: people that are going to be able to take care
Speaker 1: of him. That's not going to be the same for everybody,
Speaker 1: and that's not just football, and so I think for
Speaker 1: that you don't get to figure it out slowly or
Speaker 1: make mistakes early on anymore. The stakes have been raised
Speaker 1: too high for a lot of these players.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was going to say, Mike, the combo play
Speaker 3: of nil becoming more prevalent with the transfer rules changing,
Speaker 3: has certainly given players a lot more authority than they had,
Speaker 3: you know when you played, even a couple of years ago,
Speaker 3: when guys were playing. I mean, it's just a totally
Speaker 3: different universe now, you know. And we see it on
Speaker 3: our end running a podcast, sort of these dual universes
Speaker 3: between people who are out there huge college football fans
Speaker 3: and want to give players a little bit more of
Speaker 3: their own power versus just the pure fan in all
Speaker 3: of us that, as Dan said earlier, might be a
Speaker 3: little bit bummed out that the sport is changing so rapidly.
Speaker 3: Where do you kind of fall in that spectrum? I
Speaker 3: know you said earlier you're pro player, but how do
Speaker 3: you just sort of digest all of this change and
Speaker 3: the speed at which the sport is changing?
Speaker 1: New is always hard because we're creatures of habit, especially
Speaker 1: when it comes to sport. I'd say this, and this
Speaker 1: doesn't apply to a lot of people, and you guys
Speaker 1: mentioned sometimes it's hard to digest and keep track of
Speaker 1: as a fan to feel like the sports for you.
Speaker 1: I have always had like a very like uncomfortable suspicion.
Speaker 1: And this is you know, probably grounded in dealing with
Speaker 1: some of the lowest common denominator that you have this
Speaker 1: conversation with, whether it's colors into sports talk show or
Speaker 1: some of the worst you see on Twitter, or even
Speaker 1: what you've heard on the sidelines of games like I
Speaker 1: have a distinct memory when I was in an NFL
Speaker 1: preseason game of being on the sideline with our offensive
Speaker 1: line and hearing a fan yelling something and a couple
Speaker 1: of the guys in the O line, you know, Marky's
Speaker 1: pouncy Ramon Foster, and you hear this fan just start
Speaker 1: to go back to the tried and true line of well,
Speaker 1: I pay your salary, so shut the bleep up and
Speaker 1: go do that thing. There was always a part of
Speaker 1: me that felt like there was too large a section
Speaker 1: of college football fans that loved the sport because they
Speaker 1: knew they had more in one regard than the people
Speaker 1: playing it. Meaning you look out at millionaires you can't
Speaker 1: relate to in the NFL and feel like, all right,
Speaker 1: these highly paid guys I can say X y or
Speaker 1: there was a power dynamic in college that made me
Speaker 1: uncomfortable for a while because it felt like too many
Speaker 1: people enjoyed that. This notion that, oh, the game's more
Speaker 1: pure here because the players aren't played felt like a
Speaker 1: cop out for some feelings. They're a little more complicated
Speaker 1: to digest, and so I like that. We're getting away
Speaker 1: from some of that. New is going to be It's
Speaker 1: like an iPhone update, Right, We'll get used to it eventually,
Speaker 1: and it won't always be this extreme. The pendulum swings
Speaker 1: pretty hard, the portal's going to level out at some point. Right,
Speaker 1: all of this we're gonna get just through sheer volume
Speaker 1: of reps. Better at talking about it. Players are going
Speaker 1: to get better at being more judicious about this because,
Speaker 1: and I think it might have been Bud Elliott that
Speaker 1: I saw talk about this to give him credit again,
Speaker 1: was you're gonna see enough cautionary tales you're going to
Speaker 1: see if you're a player, like word of mouth still
Speaker 1: always the biggest part of all this, right for a
Speaker 1: player when you're getting recruited, nothing sells a team more
Speaker 1: than when you go on to visit. What the dudes
Speaker 1: in the locker room tell you there when you're really
Speaker 1: hanging out with them away from the facility. Thing is
Speaker 1: going to tell you more about that as a player
Speaker 1: potentially wanting to transfer, and nothing is going to show
Speaker 1: you more how you need to move in all these
Speaker 1: new spaces now that you have more agency than having
Speaker 1: a dude from your high school who jumped into the
Speaker 1: transfer portal and ended up down at the SCS level.
Speaker 1: Not that there's anything wrong with that, but seeing consequences
Speaker 1: for people you know, or people you can talk to,
Speaker 1: or enough people to where it's in the back of
Speaker 1: your mind as you make these decisions that I think
Speaker 1: is going to take care of a lot of this.
Speaker 1: In addition to us just getting used to you know
Speaker 1: the quote unquote new normal that we always talk about,
Speaker 1: which has its growing pains, and that's kind of where
Speaker 1: we're at right now.
Speaker 3: Let me switch gears here for a second, if I could.
Speaker 3: You are unique in the sense that you've had a
Speaker 3: chance to work across many different college football mediums, not
Speaker 3: the least of which was as a player, which will
Speaker 3: consider it.
Speaker 2: I like the word disciplines, by the way, has worked
Speaker 2: across many different disciplines.
Speaker 3: And we'll consider being a player one of those. Maybe
Speaker 3: not part of this question. Whether it's radio, mic, whether
Speaker 3: it's TV, whether it's calling games. You're doing this podcast.
Speaker 3: I know you've done other podcasts as well. Do you
Speaker 3: have a preferred medium now that you've had a chance
Speaker 3: to sample so many different ways of getting your voice out.
Speaker 1: Calling games is so much fun, man, Yeah, nice, it's
Speaker 1: It was the thing I fought the hardest for at
Speaker 1: ESPN because coming in I was, you know, starting off
Speaker 1: doing weekend radio and kind of having to slowly build everything,
Speaker 1: and you know where ESPN Digital was a huge way
Speaker 1: for like me and Jason Fitz and a number of
Speaker 1: others to get our voices out in the college football space.
Speaker 1: But I was always like man, I got to call
Speaker 1: a couple of radio games early on, like my second
Speaker 1: third year there, you know, I started doing you know,
Speaker 1: I was what was referred to as the X crew,
Speaker 1: where I was just sort of a floater. If you
Speaker 1: had a game, I was with a different producer almost
Speaker 1: every time, a different play by play almost every time.
Speaker 1: But getting to do that more consistently in the last
Speaker 1: two years especially, you know, preparation wise, it is the
Speaker 1: most similar to getting ready to play a game as
Speaker 1: a player. You get to watch a ton of tape,
Speaker 1: you get to talk to players and coaches, you have
Speaker 1: access and insight, and you get to zero in and
Speaker 1: sort of be an expert on one thing for a week.
Speaker 1: Because as a generalist, like I was on radio so
Speaker 1: much and you know, for a lot of the digital
Speaker 1: work I did, you kind of miss that feeling of
Speaker 1: knowing one thing with a depth that other people don't have,
Speaker 1: And so calling a game's a cool part of that
Speaker 1: is getting to feel like you know something intimately enough
Speaker 1: to offer an insight that's actually helpful. Right Like my
Speaker 1: job as an analyst was to teach, was to watch
Speaker 1: the game through my eyes with an audience and hopefully
Speaker 1: give people something that they didn't know going into it,
Speaker 1: make them laugh, whatever it is, but just how living
Speaker 1: and breathing that was being around stadiums, getting as close
Speaker 1: to the people, the players and the coach is still
Speaker 1: involved in that. I lived that existence. I know what
Speaker 1: goes into it, and we all get removed enough to
Speaker 1: at times treat the people involved like they're just characters
Speaker 1: on a board. Getting that close as always my reminder,
Speaker 1: these are people. They're dealing with a lot more than
Speaker 1: most of us realize on the outside. And so can
Speaker 1: I tell the story of those teams involved, the players
Speaker 1: and coaches with a sort of empathy to that that
Speaker 1: maybe just you know, makes us all pull back for
Speaker 1: a second ago, Oh, that's right. That's a nineteen year
Speaker 1: old kid who may have just lost a loved one
Speaker 1: at home, who's trying to get through finals, who had
Speaker 1: an off week last week, while dealing with all the
Speaker 1: things that come with a normal college football season.
Speaker 2: I'm curious about the conversations you've had with coaches pregame
Speaker 2: in that capacity, just because we've had a number of
Speaker 2: head coaches on and they're fine. Obviously head coaches, you
Speaker 2: know they're going to stick to a talking point or
Speaker 2: seven or whatever, and we have them on less and
Speaker 2: less because it just isn't always the most insightful thing.
Speaker 2: What percentage of coaches, coordinators, whoever that you'll talk to
Speaker 2: before a game are interestingly candid and honest and helpful,
Speaker 2: And I know it's in their interest to be that
Speaker 2: way because you can now give further context like, oh,
Speaker 2: this guy's been beat up, so that's why the secondary
Speaker 2: is struggling. Whatever. And have you ever walked out of
Speaker 2: one of those interview rooms where a coach was like,
Speaker 2: you know, if we take care of business doing X,
Speaker 2: Y and Z, I think we've got a good shot,
Speaker 2: And you yourself have thought the eugh is that guy
Speaker 2: talking about they're about to get destroyed? What are you
Speaker 2: talking about? Does that kind of thing happen?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, that that happens a lot because and again
Speaker 1: like I have, like I always you know again, selfish,
Speaker 1: I'm selfish, and I make everything about me because it's.
Speaker 2: The easiest through.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I always think about it, like going in
Speaker 1: the amount of times I got asked after that game
Speaker 1: against Alabama, well, do you guys really think that you
Speaker 1: were gonna win? My answer is always absolutely, Like what
Speaker 1: you think we just walked into the we're gonna roll
Speaker 1: over Like no, we were the number one ranked team
Speaker 1: in the country. We thought we were gonna win that game.
Speaker 1: I can understand as an outsider how it looks insane,
Speaker 1: but like when your boots on the ground doing the
Speaker 1: work every day, and especially when you enjoy any level
Speaker 1: of success or see the results from that, you're gonna
Speaker 1: wear that as a player. And so I understand as
Speaker 1: a player as a coach dealing intimately with that, how
Speaker 1: your jobs to go and win these games and you're
Speaker 1: part of that is I mean, we see plenty of
Speaker 1: coaches do those Miagi tactics. Even Nick Saban gets the
Speaker 1: chip on his shoulder for his guys. Your jobs to
Speaker 1: make everyone believe that that's possible, and sometimes that starts
Speaker 1: with making yourself believe it, even if it might not
Speaker 1: come naturally. So yeah, that's definitely happened plenty of times.
Speaker 1: But as far as how many are actually helpful, I
Speaker 1: think it's interesting. So there's a ton of factors that
Speaker 1: have gone into that, most notably in the last couple
Speaker 1: of years, a lot of the meetings pivoting to Zoom
Speaker 1: because of the pandemic has made that sure. I think
Speaker 1: coaches are inherently distrustful of technology, and when you get
Speaker 1: them in that setting, it feels more formal than when
Speaker 1: we go in the past be there in person and
Speaker 1: you're sitting in a room. There's not a microphone and
Speaker 1: phone on, no one's got a camera out. Some of
Speaker 1: these guys, especially when you're a former player, kind of
Speaker 1: know and at this point, now I've been doing this
Speaker 1: long enough to work like I kind of have you
Speaker 1: know coaches that were you know, listening to me when
Speaker 1: I was on morning drive for a little bit or
Speaker 1: just you know, there's some familiarity, so they'll loosen up
Speaker 1: a little bit and they'll give you stuff, especially once
Speaker 1: you proved them and you had them a couple of
Speaker 1: times and you've proved you won't burn them on the
Speaker 1: other side, right, Like I had a coach once an
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator for a team, and this is a lot
Speaker 1: more common, I'd say for teams in the Group of five,
Speaker 1: smaller Power five teams, ones that are not yet established,
Speaker 1: like George Alabama, Clemson, they don't have to give us
Speaker 1: stuff like everyone knows them. They don't need your help
Speaker 1: as much in selling the program. Some of these smaller schools,
Speaker 1: and I had one group of five school the offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator legit brought us into the meeting room and played
Speaker 1: us their Friday practice tape that they were going to
Speaker 1: show the players, including the plays that they were stealing
Speaker 1: from another like not stealing, but like the plays that
Speaker 1: they were implementing that another team had run against that
Speaker 1: common opponent. Showing us there like the same Friday practice
Speaker 1: cutups I would have watched as a player. He took
Speaker 1: us into the meeting room, took us through all all that,
Speaker 1: walked us through their thought process. I mean there's some coaches.
Speaker 1: I mean they'll give you, hey, this yard marker is
Speaker 1: this hash? We've got extrick play dialed up if you
Speaker 1: guys want to be ready for that. And they understand
Speaker 1: because they're trying to make sure the story of their
Speaker 1: program is told in that way. So yeah, you get
Speaker 1: plenty of that, you know, especially you get closer to
Speaker 1: game time stuff like you know what guys are injured,
Speaker 1: you know what they're seeing in pre game, you know
Speaker 1: trends they've seen leading up to it. Like that's the
Speaker 1: fun part too, is kind of taking the temperature in
Speaker 1: talking to a coach, you know, storyline wife what they've
Speaker 1: dealt with for the last few weeks, and getting a
Speaker 1: very real sentiment I have a very distinct memory of,
Speaker 1: and I know I'm not betraying a trust here, but
Speaker 1: I called Jamie Chadwell and Coastal Carolina's first upset of Kansas.
Speaker 1: I was on the road. It was like an ESPN
Speaker 1: plus Big twelve now game, and it was Coastal coming
Speaker 1: off of being displaced by the hurricane, right where they
Speaker 1: have been practicing in a number of different places leading
Speaker 1: up to it, and they beat Kansas, and that was
Speaker 1: sort of where Coastal started its rise to where we've
Speaker 1: seen them in recent years. But just getting to talk
Speaker 1: to them candidly about like, hey, these guys have been
Speaker 1: living out of hotels for the last few weeks. Tulane
Speaker 1: leading up to the Old Miss game this year, where
Speaker 1: they had been in a similar situation, was really informative
Speaker 1: of just getting like the intimate details of what life's
Speaker 1: been like for almost an entire athletic department, in Tulane's case,
Speaker 1: living out of a hotel. All that stuff really can
Speaker 1: inform again to try and humanize when things happen in
Speaker 1: a game. It's all right man like Tulane had heavy
Speaker 1: legs going against one of the best offenses in college
Speaker 1: football and Lane Kiffen's old miss They're also at the
Speaker 1: tail end of dealing with something that most people will
Speaker 1: never have to fathom in their lifetime, and so all
Speaker 1: of a sudden that stuff helps them becomes more understandable.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'd say assistance. The smaller the school, and
Speaker 1: now the further along. You know, That's why being on
Speaker 1: site and getting these relationships are important, because then you
Speaker 1: get a few reps with each of these guys in
Speaker 1: the comfort level starts to grow.
Speaker 2: You might be a little bit more candid about this. Now,
Speaker 2: who do I talk to to fix ESPN's score bug?
Speaker 2: Who do I talk to the big fat score belt
Speaker 2: atop the bottom line that takes up eighteen percent of
Speaker 2: my beautiful four K screen? And I know certain sports
Speaker 2: have deals where like you can't show the bottom line
Speaker 2: like the Masters, it has to be like the nice, minimalist,
Speaker 2: beautiful score bug. Who do we call? Do we email?
Speaker 2: Do we petition? What do we do here? Because I
Speaker 2: want to see some field, I want to see some safeties.
Speaker 2: I want to see everything, well.
Speaker 1: Like obviously like leafitting would probably be a good place
Speaker 1: to go on there. Sure, sure we know the bizarre
Speaker 1: of all things college football at ESPN, but I'd say, like, honestly,
Speaker 1: like a staunch Twitter campaign might work like less. Do
Speaker 1: we not forget how quickly ESPN's Monday Night football score
Speaker 1: bug changed when they had that lime action green in
Speaker 1: it that was being mistaken for flags constantly.
Speaker 2: We have that still, we have that still in college
Speaker 2: we have the yellow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in college we have the yellow. But remember the
Speaker 1: reaction was so strong in time they changed it mid broadcasts.
Speaker 1: So that still seems like the best recourse is to
Speaker 1: publicly shame someone on Twitter. And I'm certainly not campaigning
Speaker 1: for anyone to spam my former employer. No, no, no, it's
Speaker 1: on great terms. I love them dearly. But it seems
Speaker 1: like tweeting is still one of the most effective ways
Speaker 1: I've tried so far.
Speaker 2: Not we only I mean, we don't have like Ashton
Speaker 2: Kutch or followers. We've got a thirty thousand something, but man,
Speaker 2: it's it's rough. Is there anything like just now? As
Speaker 2: a consumer not necessarily about ESPN, You're like, man, I
Speaker 2: wish college football on TV were more had more of
Speaker 2: this you're always gonna get them complaints about like a
Speaker 2: four hour games whatever. But like we've been asked this question,
Speaker 2: like if we were in charge of CBS, BSPN or
Speaker 2: something like, how would you fix the broadcast experience of
Speaker 2: a college football game? Yeah, I mean you're on the spot,
Speaker 2: I understand, but yeah, no, Well.
Speaker 1: It's one of those things. Like again, the length has
Speaker 1: always been a part of it. Like I think what
Speaker 1: the NFL did this last year surrounding replay would go
Speaker 1: a long way. Yep, in a lot of that, But
Speaker 1: like I just think in general, doing what some leagues
Speaker 1: and I think the PLL did a really good job
Speaker 1: of this of getting under the helmet a little more.
Speaker 1: Premiere Lacrosse League did a lot more of those in
Speaker 1: game interviews, used the unbridled access that they have, And like,
Speaker 1: if you're a ESPN, you basically own the entirety of
Speaker 1: the sport. You are such an intimate partner in college
Speaker 1: football in so many ways that I feel like we
Speaker 1: could get even closer in a way that still. I mean, hell,
Speaker 1: we see it in the spring games every year, where
Speaker 1: you've essentially got Nick Saban and Davos twenty calling the
Speaker 1: games with the crew selling their programs, like the good
Speaker 1: teams will recognize these are all opportunities to market yourself
Speaker 1: even better. And I think now as we broach an
Speaker 1: area in a day and age where players have more
Speaker 1: agency and are more willing to talk and more able
Speaker 1: to because a lot of it's dictated by nil money
Speaker 1: and then being paid to, like, we need to know
Speaker 1: them even better and all that. So I'd say that,
Speaker 1: and then just in general, like you know, we also
Speaker 1: have to remember to not take it so seriously. I
Speaker 1: understand I'm the male guy, so I might be on.
Speaker 2: The furthest Yeah, yeah, of that, but.
Speaker 1: I'd say that's always a welcome part, Mike.
Speaker 3: Before I let you go, we'd be remiss if we
Speaker 3: didn't at least ask about Notre Dame Marcus Freeman. You know,
Speaker 3: there's a thousand questions that you can ask about this,
Speaker 3: the circumstances.
Speaker 2: The whole nine yards.
Speaker 3: I mean, it was really kind of a moment for
Speaker 3: people who follow Notre Dame football, But I wanted to
Speaker 3: talk to you specifically about the way that Freeman has
Speaker 3: constructed his staff, notably because he brought back an offensive
Speaker 3: line coach for whom I know you have a particular
Speaker 3: amount of admiration. Harry Heistan, How do you feel Freeman
Speaker 3: has done thus far in putting together his new staff.
Speaker 3: What's your level of optimism just based on early returns
Speaker 3: and what you've heard from people inside the program.
Speaker 1: Uh, very high optimism. Like obviously you retained a lot
Speaker 1: of your core identity. You know, I think there was
Speaker 1: a certain faction of college football people that saw the
Speaker 1: Al golden higher and kind of felt away based on
Speaker 1: his head coaching tenure. But like as I you know,
Speaker 1: talked to you know, Chris Canty, who I did a
Speaker 1: radio show with, and Chris Long I've gotten to know, like,
Speaker 1: you know, Chris who played for AL at the beginning
Speaker 1: of his time at Virginia, Like this a really good
Speaker 1: coordinator and a guy who's got a lot of college
Speaker 1: football under his belt, but also has that head coaching
Speaker 1: experience that I think is going to be vital for
Speaker 1: Marcus to be able to draw on at the beginning
Speaker 1: because we saw some of the learning curve in the
Speaker 1: Fiesta Bowl. Brian Pollian, who I thought would have been
Speaker 1: a good candidate for that after his head coaching time
Speaker 1: at Nevada, obviously went with coach Kelly down to LSU.
Speaker 1: So I think having that on the staff because you know,
Speaker 1: Tommy on the other side, is brilliant and it has
Speaker 1: been so much fun to watch the way that he
Speaker 1: is not necessarily grown, because I think a lot of
Speaker 1: this is stuff that like, you know, the people like
Speaker 1: me that were fortunate enough to know him personally in
Speaker 1: the other discipline of my career as a player, where
Speaker 1: I was with Tommy, like you knew, we always knew
Speaker 1: Tommy was going to be that guy, Like as a player,
Speaker 1: that's who he was. But now he's getting the national
Speaker 1: recognition for it, which is cool. But he's still, you know,
Speaker 1: twenty nine to thirty years old, doesn't have head coaching experience,
Speaker 1: so I think that's gonna matter a lot. But yeah,
Speaker 1: can and undersell Harry coming back to coach the offensive
Speaker 1: line like that was the bedrock of what Brian had
Speaker 1: done for the last decade. Harry was a part of
Speaker 1: building that. I mean, he was, he was the reason
Speaker 1: that happened. He was the coach that came on my
Speaker 1: fifth year at Notre Dame in twenty twelve. He's the
Speaker 1: one that produced all those first rounders, and he is
Speaker 1: a proven commodity, like I remember when he got hired.
Speaker 1: He was coming from Tennessee when I was there and
Speaker 1: we all looked at his track records, said, he's put
Speaker 1: pros into the NFL at every one of these spots,
Speaker 1: so we know if it doesn't work, it's not on him,
Speaker 1: it's on us as players. So I think that's going
Speaker 1: to be go a long way and studying this as they,
Speaker 1: you know, try and replace Jack Cone, Kyle Hamilton, try
Speaker 1: and replace the structure that Brian Kelly had there for
Speaker 1: a long time, and it's probably going to, like Notre
Speaker 1: Dame fans, we're not gonna, I doubt be as good
Speaker 1: this year. Like I think there's gonna be legitimate growing
Speaker 1: pains that have to be a part of this process.
Speaker 1: I hope I'm wrong. I'm always the skeptic every year
Speaker 1: because I know how difficult that is every year to
Speaker 1: go through, especially at that program. But I would just
Speaker 1: kind of like in the festival, let's take a beat
Speaker 1: on the massive expectations right out of the gate and
Speaker 1: allow this to develop so that we can get what
Speaker 1: this should be, which is a long term play for
Speaker 1: a young rising star that we managed to retain in
Speaker 1: Marcus Freeman that gets to stay and hopefully be the
Speaker 1: head coach there for a long time as we see him,
Speaker 1: you know, continue to push recruiting and all these things
Speaker 1: that could be the difference from Notre Dame being a CFP,
Speaker 1: you know, someone who becomes eligible, who makes it every
Speaker 1: once in a while, to someone that's actually competitive on
Speaker 1: that stage. And that's been the most encouraging part is
Speaker 1: seeing the inroads that him and the staff that he's
Speaker 1: put together, to go back to the original question, have
Speaker 1: made in the way they've approached recruiting and the results
Speaker 1: they've met it in that so far.
Speaker 2: Have you tailgated before?
Speaker 1: Man? It was so humbling. The first time I went
Speaker 1: back and tailgated a game. I remember I was given
Speaker 1: the Notre Dame game. It was a night game, and
Speaker 1: I went out Pole too, was always where my roommate
Speaker 1: freshman year was on the guys Across team. I was
Speaker 1: super close with those dudes. So I went back and
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna get the poll two experience. Sure,
Speaker 1: And it's like forty five minutes before kickoff and I
Speaker 1: am blasted, and I just looked at one of my
Speaker 1: buddies and I'm like, yeah, I see why you guys
Speaker 1: always left it halftime. Yeah. Yeah, I am exhausted and.
Speaker 2: It's not an endurance bar off.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. So no, I've I've been initiated and man
Speaker 1: it's rough.
Speaker 2: You so but you when you travel the country, I
Speaker 2: was fortunate. I've been to a lot of places for
Speaker 2: tailgatingly capturing the culture of college football. Is that something
Speaker 2: you'll be able to experience at all moving forward? But
Speaker 2: you're like, I just had pastelayah in Baton Rouge. I
Speaker 2: just ate a steak sandwich in Lincoln. Will you get
Speaker 2: to I don't know what you doing moving forward? Maybe
Speaker 2: we'll talk about off air. But is that something that
Speaker 2: in this new chapter you're interested in walking around with
Speaker 2: the sandwich board in Tuscaloosa and saying I will eat
Speaker 2: your ribs. That sounds a weird phrasing, but is that
Speaker 2: something that appeals to you?
Speaker 1: Oh, Matt massively because that to me, and again, in
Speaker 1: the way that we cover and sell college football, that's
Speaker 1: something that you've got that very few other American sports have, right,
Speaker 1: is the intimacy and the unique nature of these fans
Speaker 1: and these places. And so yeah, I mean I especially
Speaker 1: this last year where we were still operating with safety
Speaker 1: at the forefront of this and the COVID rules, Like, Man,
Speaker 1: I want to go back to Oxford, Mississippi and eat
Speaker 1: more gas station food. I want to walk through the growth,
Speaker 1: would be able to stop and tailgate. I want to
Speaker 1: go back down to LSU because I did get to
Speaker 1: go down there once and live the tailgate experience there. Right,
Speaker 1: Foxville was awesome before there, before the game, I called
Speaker 1: out there, it's just yes, that would I joking, not
Speaker 1: jokingly offered up to ESPN while I was still employed there.
Speaker 1: I was like, got something for you here, And by
Speaker 1: say offered, I mean I tweeted it at them, and
Speaker 1: of course course crowdsourcing method of this. I wanted to
Speaker 1: go off of Peyton and Elized places and go Mike's places.
Speaker 1: And obviously it's not going to be as good, well
Speaker 1: done or buttoned up as Peyton and Elized places. But
Speaker 1: essentially I wanted to go to a college football uh
Speaker 1: you know town, find one of their prominent usually football lums,
Speaker 1: and then probably a prominent like very online fan al lum,
Speaker 1: and I just want to get kind of drunk with
Speaker 1: them and walk around to the places that matter to
Speaker 1: them because every time someone goes to Notre Dame, they're like,
Speaker 1: all right, where are the places I need to go
Speaker 1: that you go? And there's always a difference there. And
Speaker 1: so I wanted just kind of go and get a
Speaker 1: little bit drunk and eat a lot of food at
Speaker 1: different college football towns and call it Mike's places and
Speaker 1: have someone go hard and put that on some sort
Speaker 1: of internet platform. So, yes, massively appealing.
Speaker 2: I've got a hard lemonade sponsor that I think could
Speaker 2: be interested in that concept. Yeah, so what's on the list?
Speaker 2: What's on the list?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: What's on the places you've been, places you recommend people
Speaker 2: go to. We have a sizeable amount of people who say,
Speaker 2: who ask us this question? As well we try to
Speaker 2: give them answers. What's now on your your travel list?
Speaker 2: Specifically for food?
Speaker 1: Specifically for food, I would certainly say getting back down
Speaker 1: to LSU's near the top of the list. That was
Speaker 1: a premiere experience Oxford, just because I didn't get to
Speaker 1: fully live that like town Square experience, didn't get to
Speaker 1: fully live the Grove experience yep, that I had heard
Speaker 1: so much about. I want to get back to Norman.
Speaker 1: A good friend of mine, Gay Bike, was an offensive
Speaker 1: lineman there has sung the praises of more than a
Speaker 1: few establishments around there, particularly a few that are purveyors
Speaker 1: of hot dogs, which I'm a big fan of. Ye,
Speaker 1: So I want to get back to Norman. That was
Speaker 1: a cool place I played in. I didn't get to
Speaker 1: live that tailgate experience. Lincoln, Nebraska would be another one
Speaker 1: definitely very excited about. And I think for me just
Speaker 1: majoring the oh, I'll tell you the other one I
Speaker 1: want to do. And this is part food, part drink
Speaker 1: because I always got to see it when we were
Speaker 1: driving up on the bus, but I never got to
Speaker 1: live it. I think I want to go do the
Speaker 1: breakfast club at Purdue, sure, which i'd imagine is still
Speaker 1: a thing that they're doing. But just seeing a bunch
Speaker 1: of drunk college kids in costumes absolutely just on their
Speaker 1: ass by kickoff and we're playing them at like three
Speaker 1: point thirty seemed like a great time. And listen, West Lafayette,
Speaker 1: it seems like a perfectly nice college town. But they
Speaker 1: seem to do things right there, those sweet leveable engineers.
Speaker 2: Final question, at least for me, I think tis all
Speaker 2: spend and Ty didn't have a good response to this
Speaker 2: because he's just sort of a buy the book nice
Speaker 2: guy who doesn't think like this, do you have any
Speaker 2: boat goals? And I don't mean, I don't mean do
Speaker 2: you have a goal of owning a certain kind of boat?
Speaker 2: But when you picture yourself, if you are a water person,
Speaker 2: if you are a boat person on any level, if
Speaker 2: you're like, the best possible experience does not necessarily have
Speaker 2: to do with college football at all. This is just
Speaker 2: in life. If you were to hit your apex as
Speaker 2: a human on a boat, where would it be? What
Speaker 2: kind of boat would it be? With whom would you
Speaker 2: be boating?
Speaker 1: So? With whom would be easy? It'd probably be like
Speaker 1: probably my family would be involved in that. But for sure,
Speaker 1: in this instance, it would be the guys in my
Speaker 1: group chat that I played with, you know which, like
Speaker 1: a ten year running group chat in my teammates from
Speaker 1: Notre Dame get them. It would be on one of
Speaker 1: those massive yachts. And I only say this this is
Speaker 1: I mean a new dream as of this week.
Speaker 2: I'm ready.
Speaker 1: I want to be in that little Marina area for
Speaker 1: the Monaco Grand Prix.
Speaker 2: That's an amazing answer.
Speaker 1: Just started watching Drive to Survive on plus season one
Speaker 1: on Netflix. I'm started to you know, watch a little
Speaker 1: more Formula one. I just watched the Saudi Gram Prix
Speaker 1: that went on, you know, this past weekend as of
Speaker 1: when we were recording this, but seeing seeing the images
Speaker 1: of that particular race and the way that the maritime
Speaker 1: aspect of that is involved. You know, you saw, you know,
Speaker 1: Daniel Ricardo getting the ball thrown to him from Tom
Speaker 1: Brady off one of those gots there. Like, I'd like
Speaker 1: to live something like that if I'm going to set
Speaker 1: a boat goal.
Speaker 2: That's such a good answer I've talked about, you know,
Speaker 2: just with buddies a Mulfi coast Adriaddick outside of Greece, and.
Speaker 1: For years that for years it used to be did
Speaker 1: you guys ever used to see the trailers for Yacht Week?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean in college when when the Yacht Week trailer
Speaker 1: used to drop, it was like that and Tomorrow World,
Speaker 1: the huge festival in Europe. Now those used to drop
Speaker 1: on YouTube. My entire apartment of guys used to stop
Speaker 1: whatever we were doing and watch that and start to
Speaker 1: plan out the vacation of our dreams and like, up
Speaker 1: until I saw this with the Grand Prix My answer
Speaker 1: probably still would have been Croatian Yacht Week, because it
Speaker 1: just seems like everything boating is supposed to be.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the Succession yacht right at the end of
Speaker 2: season two, that that vibe in general, not what happened
Speaker 2: aboard that specific boat, right, but generally speaking, that you're
Speaker 2: on such a large boat, you're with good people in
Speaker 2: this case, and then you could just pop off to
Speaker 2: Split or Croatia wherever, and you just like, have a
Speaker 2: little food here, enjoy, you know, touring a city that
Speaker 2: you haven't been to, maybe hop in a villa, then
Speaker 2: back on the boat and cruise around some. It seems
Speaker 2: attractive to me. And I couldn't sell tie on having
Speaker 2: boat goals. Why is that tie? No, I'm not averse
Speaker 2: to boat goals. I just didn't know the question was
Speaker 2: coming and he caught me off guard. But see this
Speaker 2: for a week now. I still don't have a good answer.
Speaker 2: But I'm not averse to the boat. I love boats, right,
Speaker 2: I love boats.
Speaker 1: Let's go. This is probably directly correlated to how much
Speaker 1: like of the wealth porn content that you've taken in,
Speaker 1: because you just mentioned, like if you've watched Succession, if
Speaker 1: you were like me, and your formative years of college
Speaker 1: were spent watching Entourage with the guys on the box
Speaker 1: DVD set. And now if you have started to take
Speaker 1: up Formula one, which my god, I mean, you need
Speaker 1: only look at the list of sponsors you're inundated with
Speaker 1: every race. Like, if you're taking in enough of this,
Speaker 1: I've got the source material to draw to give you
Speaker 1: an adequate Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think the only thing I've really settled on,
Speaker 3: Dan is that the boat I'm on has to have
Speaker 3: at least one helipad, maybe two, of course, and that's
Speaker 3: not because I really want to go up in the helicopter.
Speaker 3: It's just I'm kind of curious as to why they
Speaker 3: have the helipad on the boat to begin with.
Speaker 1: Well, if it.
Speaker 2: Starts sinking, you want also nice safety net.
Speaker 1: But people do forget that element of the helipad.
Speaker 2: I feel, yes, very underrated. Yeah, get there, all right.
Speaker 2: I'm glad that Mike has boat goals that he was
Speaker 2: ready to answer immediately, and Ty, you're still working ears out.
Speaker 2: It's okay. I don't think you're a lost cause. I
Speaker 2: just I want specifics about what you're looking for. Get nautically,
Speaker 2: we'll get there together.
Speaker 1: Speaking of boat goals, all right, has either of this
Speaker 1: been around the conversation of the show below Deck.
Speaker 2: No, I don't watch it.
Speaker 1: I'd watch that.
Speaker 2: I know about it. I've seen clips, but I don't
Speaker 2: watch it consistently. I know it's about you know, the
Speaker 2: staff that's working, you know, the Mediterranean stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, but like just in general for you guys,
Speaker 1: because obviously having boat goals is great, but part of
Speaker 1: it is also, like you know, and it's not to
Speaker 1: say that anything nefarious is happening, but it's just I'm
Speaker 1: probably going to be drunk on this boat having a
Speaker 1: good time dance and look like it would either of
Speaker 1: you guys sign up. If the only way you could
Speaker 1: have your boat goal was to have it filmed and
Speaker 1: then put out on television like this, would you still
Speaker 1: go through it?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 1: Because me, I was like, man, I don't know if
Speaker 1: I'm comfortable being drunk on a boat on camera. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's my best self.
Speaker 2: Okay, the answer is probably yes, but it's just because
Speaker 2: I can't really handle that much alcohol. So I would
Speaker 2: just sort of be quickly fun and happy and asleep.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: That's that's sort of like, well, Dan s napping again
Speaker 2: would be like my character arc on a boat related
Speaker 2: reality show, So I'm okay with that, and I like
Speaker 2: being the center of attention, so I'm good.
Speaker 3: I feel like that would probably be my lane as well.
Speaker 3: I can handle liquor a little bit better than Dan. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but I also have now that reflex where I reflex
Speaker 3: reflex where I just sort of fall asleep anytime anywhere,
Speaker 3: which probably wouldn't play well on TV, but it would
Speaker 3: at least help me attain the boat goals.
Speaker 1: Mike, I guess that's true because in this instance, I'm
Speaker 1: thinking of like college me. We're like, who knows, Like
Speaker 1: I could end up, like you know, torking on a
Speaker 1: table in a short very little clothing or something like that.
Speaker 1: I may not want out there later on, but now
Speaker 1: it's probably just going to be me hammering or doors
Speaker 1: and like you said, passing out on a couch somewhere.
Speaker 2: Yep, Mike, just eight thirty eight potato skins and he's
Speaker 2: asleep standing up.
Speaker 1: I've never seen someone consume deviled eggs with that level
Speaker 1: of free's.
Speaker 3: Asleep on the helipad on the age.
Speaker 2: Yeah, weird how they serve potato skins and meknos All right.
Speaker 1: He's putting them on donuts now, a visionary.
Speaker 3: He just brought his own We bring this thing full
Speaker 3: circle from Mike gold Junior. Mike, before we let you go,
Speaker 3: is there anything you want us to promote for you?
Speaker 1: Yeah? At this point no, unfortunately, like I have to
Speaker 1: wait for you know, the parties involved to do their
Speaker 1: thing with all that. But at Michael of Junior on
Speaker 1: Twitter and Instagram, all those places, I will probably be
Speaker 1: drunk and cooking on Instagram live and waiting to announce
Speaker 1: the upcoming plans for this summer and falling.
Speaker 3: And you're podcasting, aren't you with your family?
Speaker 1: Yes? I have, And you know what, that's a very
Speaker 1: good point I should get in the habit. Yes, sorrying
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Speaker 3: All right, well, we appreciate your time. As always, we'll
Speaker 3: make sure we link up that podcast in the notes.
Speaker 3: Best of luck to whatever is next to you with
Speaker 3: whatever is next, and hopefully we can talk again soon.
Speaker 1: Definitely, thanks for having me, fellas.
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Speaker 2: He's got boat goals. Of course, he's got boat goals.
Speaker 3: I feel embarrassed at the fact that I was not
Speaker 3: ready when you asked me specifically for my boat goals.
Speaker 3: I did not know the conversation was going to go there.
Speaker 3: Right now that I've recognized this is going to be
Speaker 3: a recurring point of contention between the two of us,
Speaker 3: I'm going to put some hours into the laboratory before
Speaker 3: our next show, and I'm going to come armed with
Speaker 3: a number of boat goals.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so here, all I really want for you is like,
Speaker 2: that's just always a lingering thing in the back of
Speaker 2: my brain that just like if I were to find
Speaker 2: myself in a fortunate situation in which I knew somebody
Speaker 2: with a plane with a boat, with a warehouse that
Speaker 2: I could turn into like a compound for making pizza
Speaker 2: and tennis and an arcade and a movie theater, like
Speaker 2: all of those things were like, I'm just in the way.
Speaker 2: We'll tie it back to college football in the way
Speaker 2: that a lot of like athletic directors and coaches like,
Speaker 2: if I were to get this opportunity, here's who I
Speaker 2: would hire. Here's how my own program would go. If
Speaker 2: I had the opportunity to be on a luxurious boat situation,
Speaker 2: this is how I wanted to all go down where
Speaker 2: I wanted to go down. I wanted to be with
Speaker 2: you know, my my buddy Dave, my buddy Scott, my
Speaker 2: buddy Ty Hills, and brand, my buddy Kevin. Like that's
Speaker 2: who I want. Listen to the house of run By
Speaker 2: the way, that's that in my brain. I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I want a chef on there, grilling right there outside.
Speaker 2: I want all these things. I want to be jumping
Speaker 2: off and doing cannonballs. I want I just I have
Speaker 2: it all. Matt, So I like that you've taken the
Speaker 2: helipad step is what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think just as a starting point
Speaker 3: and we can frame out a future discussion around this.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: And I'm not talking about going on a cruise, talking
Speaker 3: about a big, luxurious boat that somebody far richer than
Speaker 3: you and I owns. Of course, you've just been invited
Speaker 3: to because you don't want to own a boat. Everybody
Speaker 3: knows that that that depreciates the same data.
Speaker 2: If you're having a good amount of fun, if it's
Speaker 2: not draining your bank account, I'm sure boat ownership does
Speaker 2: have some plus.
Speaker 3: But if you've got if you need that, employ a
Speaker 3: staff or staves staves baby as it were, to run
Speaker 3: the boat, it's going to drain and bank.
Speaker 2: It's just going of course, of course. But we're talking
Speaker 2: about ridiculou us wealth here, ridiculous.
Speaker 3: I think for me, it starts with the very simple
Speaker 3: possibility of being able to be on the boat. We're
Speaker 3: not too far removed from civilization. Maybe we're in international waters,
Speaker 3: what have you.
Speaker 2: Mm hm.
Speaker 3: But we can just live on the boat. Oh how
Speaker 3: long we can sleep on the boat for a couple
Speaker 3: of nights, I'm talking a year, But like just being
Speaker 3: out there and being able to subsist while living on
Speaker 3: the boat. Yeah, having all of the luxuries of being
Speaker 3: on land.
Speaker 2: But we're on a boat and a big boat.
Speaker 3: Good food, good people, good drinks.
Speaker 2: And we can just stay there.
Speaker 1: Ah, what a dream.
Speaker 3: And we're not trying to circumnavigate the globe. We're not
Speaker 3: going through the the doll drums, right, Like, we're just
Speaker 3: hanging out on the boat. Good weather and we can live.
Speaker 2: There for some abey. Yeah, just be there on the boat. See, yeah,
Speaker 2: I see. My boat goal specifically is to be able
Speaker 2: to and if you're there, and I hope you are
Speaker 2: with my my Western European vacation. Sure is. I want
Speaker 2: to be able to shout out to you from across
Speaker 2: the bow ty. How many langostinas are you good for? Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're good for two grilled light?
Speaker 1: Two?
Speaker 2: What do we call three? Why not? Surge has has them.
Speaker 2: We've got the whole cooler. We're good. That's what I'm
Speaker 2: looking for.
Speaker 3: All right. Well, for the next podcast, we're going to
Speaker 3: talk about what Yeah, what was that word legostino?
Speaker 2: A langostina.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll talk about what that is. Hopefully I'll get
Speaker 3: this right.
Speaker 2: A lngostino langostina. It's like a small lobster. I want
Speaker 2: to say. I think it's a crustation of some kind. Yeah, yeah, spiny,
Speaker 2: smaller uh lobster langostino. I'm you know I'm getting this wrong.
Speaker 2: I'm sure, but yeah, can I can I ask? Can
Speaker 2: I offer you one more thing? Because you have mentioned
Speaker 2: for Ballers dot Com, and I think Forballers dot Com
Speaker 2: is an exceptional option to those people who want to
Speaker 2: support the show and what we do here in all
Speaker 2: of our ridiculous boat Coal conversations. Please please please with
Speaker 2: college football mixed in, I think appropriately, So, we have
Speaker 2: a fast food bracket that's been ongoing on our discord,
Speaker 2: only available on Verballer subscribers on verballers dot com a
Speaker 2: discord server. I'm only gonna go through two of the
Speaker 2: matchups that are in the sweet sixteen, but the Alpha
Speaker 2: Coal on the discord put this together, I believe. Are
Speaker 2: you ready for two matchups? Yeah? No fast food dishes.
Speaker 2: As we are in the middle of the NCAA tournament,
Speaker 2: of which I know basically nothing about other than Saint
Speaker 2: Peter's is now no longer. Pea Cocks are out man
Speaker 2: therek Doox are out shout out Jersey City though, right,
Speaker 2: that's right. McDonald's fries is a one seed versus Chipotle
Speaker 2: Burrito bowls as a five seed.
Speaker 3: I mean McDonald's fries.
Speaker 2: It's McDonald's fries. Now, there are a couple down that
Speaker 2: they're not fried in the same beef tallow. I believe
Speaker 2: that they were in the nineties the fall. He said
Speaker 2: tallow tallow, beef tallow.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's another one.
Speaker 1: I'm right.
Speaker 3: I'm rendered beef fat to beat on the front, okay.
Speaker 2: And then they are a thinner fry, which is nice
Speaker 2: for dipping in the McDonald's sized sauces. I'm a sweet
Speaker 2: and sour guy myself when it comes to McDonald's, which
Speaker 2: I don't eat that much, but that's that would be
Speaker 2: my choice. They're gonna cool down pretty quickly. You got
Speaker 2: to jump on them pretty quickly. You got to either
Speaker 2: be very close to home when you're picking up McDonald's
Speaker 2: or you just got to destroy him in the car.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But the thing with McDonald's fries and why this
Speaker 3: is one seed and why this is the winner, it's
Speaker 3: like the Nick Saban thing in the SEC. All the
Speaker 3: other competing franchises have changed out their fries trying to
Speaker 3: compete with McDonald's, right, And I don't think any of
Speaker 3: them have ever gotten any better. They've you know, they've improved.
Speaker 3: In some cases. We could argue the merits of that,
Speaker 3: but McDonald's fries are like nicksaban man.
Speaker 2: I think the best thing about a Chipotle burrito bowl
Speaker 2: is the idea of a burrito bowl, rather than Pole's
Speaker 2: own execution. I like some of Chipotle's competitors. There's a
Speaker 2: place that's in New York and Chicago and growing called
Speaker 2: Dos Toros that I really like, But Chipotle is It's
Speaker 2: just never really been my thing.
Speaker 3: Listen. I would also add, if they want to pay
Speaker 3: us to say differently, we're open to that possibility. Not
Speaker 3: a sponsor could be uh no, Chipotle is fine. It's
Speaker 3: just if I have the option of Chipotle or something else,
Speaker 3: that's generally not my choice. The other matter match I the.
Speaker 2: Culver's butter burger, don't know the Wendy's don't know what
Speaker 2: that is. It is a burger from a chain called Culvers.
Speaker 2: That is fine, but they do butter their buns because
Speaker 2: it is a midwestern Ish thing. You some frozen custard. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I've had Culvers and I've had and the other one
Speaker 2: is the Wendy Spicy Chicken sandwich.
Speaker 3: We've had long conversations about the Wendy Spiky, Spiky Spicy
Speaker 3: chickpe sandwich.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this matchup is a no rain if we're talking
Speaker 2: about like the nineteen ninety eight, two thousand and four
Speaker 2: Wendy's Spicy Chicken sandwich. At some point Wendy's went a
Speaker 2: new direction with their spicy chicken sandwich that made it
Speaker 2: extremely pedestrian and forgettable, if not insulting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the Apex predator if we're going to
Speaker 3: continue using that lingo. Yeah, a spicy chicken sandwiches has
Speaker 3: got to be Chick fil A.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've had great Chick fil A spicy chicken sandwiches.
Speaker 2: I like the Popeyes, want a good deal. It depends
Speaker 2: on how much of a crunch factor you want in
Speaker 2: your breading. Obviously Popeyes goes heavier with that crunch in
Speaker 2: the breading. Both are terrific. I don't have a Popeyes nearby,
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I've had the Chick fil A
Speaker 2: offering a little bit more. I'm going to go with
Speaker 2: the Culver's Butterburger here. It's merely okay, but I'm just
Speaker 2: so I'm hurt by what Wendy's has done to their
Speaker 2: spicy chicken sandwich that I just can't.
Speaker 1: Get on board.
Speaker 3: This is a personal thing for you. Yeah, this is
Speaker 3: a personal thing. Well, now I got to go and
Speaker 3: look at this bracket a little bit more intently. I
Speaker 3: knew it was to have a chance to study it yet. Yeah,
Speaker 3: perhaps this could be a subject for one of our
Speaker 3: off topic shows that we do on a semi regular
Speaker 3: basis over atverbawlers dot com. Yeah, fast food bracket, I
Speaker 3: think would be wed. Just do a fast food show,
Speaker 3: a fast food show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, oh man, who would we Okay, who would
Speaker 2: be a good guest? A good fast Do you know
Speaker 2: who is a huge fast food person? Do you know
Speaker 2: the name Algeen at all? Does that mean anything to you?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: No, I believe it's Algene. Maybe I'm getting the wrong producer.
Speaker 2: It is, no, not Algene. Bill Oakley, Simpson's producer Bill Oakley.
Speaker 2: I think writer producer Bill Oakley on Twitter or Instagram
Speaker 2: or something. Does Fastidious reviews of every single released like
Speaker 2: chip candy, fast food, like like if Cheetos releases like
Speaker 2: I got garlic Parmesan Cheeto. This Simpsons writer is like
Speaker 2: I'm on it eight and a half out of ten.
Speaker 2: These are my notes, These are my pluses, these are
Speaker 2: my minuses. I don't know if we can get Bill Oakley,
Speaker 2: but I'm down for a fast food show because I
Speaker 2: do have lots of thoughts. And you get into like
Speaker 2: the regional thing, you get into national hyper local because
Speaker 2: I could build you my my my dream fast food meal,
Speaker 2: but it would involve Tommy's, which is only local to
Speaker 2: I think California. So I'm happy to talk about it.
Speaker 3: Ty, all right, Well, we're gonna why don't we plan
Speaker 3: our next off topic show around that subject of fast food,
Speaker 3: And we're gonna need to lean on you a little
Speaker 3: bit to figure out who the right guest or guests
Speaker 3: are sure to help inform that discussion. But now that
Speaker 3: we've got the bracket, March madness is sort of wrapping
Speaker 3: up here, just a couple of days left in the month, yep.
Speaker 3: We need to make sure that we treat ourselves here,
Speaker 3: presumably as we get into the month of April, and
Speaker 3: talk about something that we know is of interest. All right,
Speaker 3: I agree, all right, again, big thanks to our guest
Speaker 3: of for all his time, always generous with it, Michael Junior.
Speaker 3: We wish him well with whatever comes next. Don't forget
Speaker 3: to listen to that podcast. As I said during the interview,
Speaker 3: we'll make sure we put the notes, put the link
Speaker 3: to his show in the notes. Don't forget to subscribe.
Speaker 3: Don't forget to go on out to solid giveaway dot
Speaker 3: com if you're interested in winning that mini helmet we
Speaker 3: discussed earlier, and last but not least for ballers dot
Speaker 3: com if you want to get in on the Patreon,
Speaker 3: the discord, and of course the eventual discussion about fast
Speaker 3: food rapids. A great for that guy Oup there, my
Speaker 3: good friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself Tie Hilding a brand.
Speaker 3: We will catch you all on Thursday. In the meantime,
Speaker 3: stay soft, peace,