WEBVTT - Gabbing with Mike Golic Jr. 0:00:02.160 --> 0:00:06.840 Welcome to the solid verbal home that for me, I'm 0:00:06.880 --> 0:00:08.119 a man, I'm forty. 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:10.119 I've heard so many players say, well, I want to 0:00:10.119 --> 0:00:12.080 be happy. You want to be happy for a day? 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:13.640 Edo state is that? 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:17.080 Woo? Woof and Dan and tie. 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:21.840 Welcome back to the solid Verbo boys and girls. My 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:24.040 name is ty Hild, the brand that fun gentleman over 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:26.520 there as always still the incomparable. 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:29.640 Sounding a little bit healthier to Dani Psteine, sir, how 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:33.440 are you? I am feeling better. I'm especially excited about 0:00:33.440 --> 0:00:35.839 today's interview because it's a gentleman with whom we have 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:38.920 not spoken in quite some time. But I got in 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:41.640 a lot of tennis real early this morning, six thirty 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:49.800 am starts. It's another beautiful, beautiful spring day, Illinois, the Midwest. 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:53.720 It's always Did I make that specifically for this intro? 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:56.120 I may have, Yes, I may have indeed. 0:00:57.400 --> 0:00:57.680 Yeah. 0:00:57.680 --> 0:00:59.600 So other than the cold, life is good. Can't complain. 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:02.240 I'm gonna bake some pizzas today and tomorrow probably I 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:04.120 got I'm trying out an outdoor oven. 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:04.320 Ty. 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:07.240 Yeah, I'm not sure I like it yet. Yeah, yeah, 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:10.399 but no if I get my three p's in what 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:13.520 playing tennis podcast in pizza in the same day, in 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:16.600 the same week. I'm not here to complain. 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We may have had him on at another 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:55.919 point in time. 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:59.120 We did because we talked about the coffee mapps. 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:02.440 That's right, that's right, yep. So I feel like I'm 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:05.320 a little bit unprepared with the exact chronology of events 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:07.720 here as it relates to mister Golick. But he's going 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:10.200 to be stopping by. Just want to get his deal man, 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:12.679 not necessarily what's next for him? 0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:14.000 What's your deal man? 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:16.760 But I mean, look, he's got a lot of interesting 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:20.000 experience as it related to college football. He's played, he's 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:24.240 broadcasted across a number of different mediums. Now I'm just 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:27.200 interested in is a historian and where he's at now 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:29.840 with the rapid pace of change in college football? 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:33.680 Can I give Mike before he comes on the best 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:36.680 possible compliment? I think I can give somebody in his position, 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:39.480 which is somebody who does, who has done and will 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:41.960 continue to do. I hope and think radio or audio 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:46.400 in some capacity has called games on TV and radio 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:50.160 has you know, done the live stream thing for ESPN, 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:52.640 and it will continue to be a voice within the sport. 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:57.600 But he seems to really like football, and that's not 0:03:57.760 --> 0:04:03.480 always the most clear thing among people who are especially 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:06.200 radio and audio team whatever that they're like. There's a 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:08.880 lot of people out there who like being right about 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:13.680 football your alters of dan types, but they seem to like, 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:20.520 here is my insight about how football is, rather than Hey, 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:24.120 wasn't that cool that that football thing happened? Or isn't 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:26.839 it cool that this football thing is happening? What do 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:29.719 you think will happen? Isn't it cool that all sorts 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:32.640 of things could happen. Isn't it cool that these players 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:36.520 are playing? And I don't always get that as I 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:39.599 look across social media or I look across TV radio 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:42.679 podcasting that landscape, and I think Mike is a prime 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:47.320 example of somebody who just is super into football, which 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:50.159 I like. How about that? Does that make sense to you? 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:53.800 He's got an authenticity to him. Yeah, plays well here, 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:58.480 So Michael Junior, gonna stop by here momentarily. Again, don't 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:01.080 forget to go on out tor website verbolt dot com. 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:03.320 If you got anything you want to give us a 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:06.720 shout about. We can always be found at sliverable at 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:10.960 gmail dot com. All right, Dan joining us now, it's 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:13.039 our friend currently in between jobs. 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:13.480 You know him? 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:14.560 Well? 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:16.320 I think the last time we had him on was 0:05:16.360 --> 0:05:18.839 to talk about something in the Notre Dame world, or 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:21.040 maybe we did trivia during the it's been a while, 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:23.800 Oh yeah, I think so, Mike Golick Junior, how are you, sir? 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:27.560 I'm good. Yeah. It was pandemic trivia and I was 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:30.960 really like silently hoping that that wasn't what I was 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:34.120 coming back on now, just because as you guys saw, 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:37.080 I suck so bad at trivia that every time I 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:39.000 am forced to do it in public, it is like 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:41.680 a reminder of my like biggest insecurity. 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:44.159 What I want to do ty is and I don't 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:45.719 have the questions in front of him. I want to 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:50.200 do specific trivia for Mike Golick Junior's interests, right, Like 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:53.640 wheelhouse trivia is my favorite kind of thing, because then 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:55.760 not only will he know the answers, but we'll all 0:05:55.760 --> 0:06:00.400 be impressed with like local Connecticut zoning laws or something 0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:03.000 that is just so specific to what he knows about. 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:05.040 I don't know why I mentioned that, but yeah. 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:09.120 A local Connecticut zoning laws, the rotating cast of monthly 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:11.359 donuts offered at the donut place that I go to 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:14.760 down the street every week. Anything at this point, anything 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:17.360 having to do with mayonnaise, because that's apparently who I am. 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:21.159 Now it's your corner. Do you have the most inventive 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:23.560 donut donut that you've seen like the last year. Is 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:25.960 there something that people should keep an eye out for 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:28.240 trend wise in the donut world? 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:32.120 I would say trend wise were really majoring in a 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:34.400 lot of the same stuff we have been for a while. 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:37.640 Red velvet, I think is always going to be something sexy, 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:42.040 visually pleasing, flavor wise and riching. The donut shot by 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:44.400 me Donut Crazy in West Harford, Connecticut. A little bit 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:48.760 of free pub for them, because wonderful. They do a 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:53.680 red velvet donut that has like cookie dough shoved inside 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:56.800 and then puts a burnt marshmallow on top, and then 0:06:56.839 --> 0:07:00.279 there's a little other coating there. Like it's really just like, 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:02.920 for lack of a better terms, like a flavor orgy 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:04.120 that goes down there. 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:07.080 So I so there's obviously a lot of people know about, 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:09.200 like the maple bacon bars that's become a thing that 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:11.440 is that has swept the donut world. I saw a 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:13.840 new sweet and savory combo just on a menu. I 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:15.800 haven't had it yet, but there's a place here in 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:20.040 Chicago that does a fries in the frosty donut with 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:24.760 little bits of potato above a chocolate ganache donut. So 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:28.600 you have that sweet and savory, which if you're a 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:31.400 fries and frosty person, that should resonate. 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:35.200 I feel like if you're anyone, that should resonate. Like again, 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:38.000 like texture wise, it's a delight in the sweet and 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:41.200 savories and undefeated. Man, I'm very intrigued. 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:43.640 Yeah, very So next time you come out here to visit, 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:46.440 Adam a mean or me or some might need to 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:49.320 go out of your way tire you. You look skeptical. 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:52.040 Ty, I'm just trying to figure out the economics of this. 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:55.280 I think it's like potato Crispi's. 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:57.800 But there's so much that goes into making the donut. 0:07:57.920 --> 0:07:58.960 How much does it cost? 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:01.200 And could it possibly be worth it for the guy 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:02.640 making it? Oh? 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:04.840 It's god. I mean, I don't think the ingredients of 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:07.400 the issue. It's just a chocolate donut with like potato crispies, 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:11.160 a top and and people of the donut ilk I'll 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:12.960 on Mike Golick Junior are willing to pay for a 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:13.760 premium product. 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:16.520 Sure, sure, okay, that is the thing I'm walking into 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:19.040 you know this spot out here, and they have that 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:22.320 delineation where it's very upfront like, hey, the crazies as 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:25.520 they're called, which are the rotating cast of specialty donuts, 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:26.960 You're gonna have to pay a little more out of 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:29.560 pocket for these yah and people are lining up down 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:31.680 the street for it. So it is, you know, if 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:34.920 you got the donut artistry in the imagination Spungs feel 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:37.000 like a low cost place too. I mean, hell, like 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:40.240 potatoes and peanuts. Five guys literally has peanuts stacked by 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:42.240 the door like they're going out of style, right. I 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:44.720 think anything in that range is probably gonna be okay. 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:47.160 Is that does that suit you? Type? 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:47.800 Yes? 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:51.040 I guess yeah. I'm not preparing to talk about donuts, 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:55.640 you know me, It's just not my lane. So, mister Golic, 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:59.600 college football is sort of our thing here. You've had 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:01.680 a few months now to sort of catch your breath 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:06.680 as you kind of plot your next move. College football 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:10.360 has been ever so complicated over the last couple of months, 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:14.760 not just with coaches moving around Nil certainly taking more 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:20.400 of a front seat in the recruiting game. We also 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:22.719 have a lot of movement on the transfer portal. What 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:26.079 has it been like for you as a former player, 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:29.240 as a media personality, someone who I would imagine is 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:31.560 always going to be invested pretty heavily in college football. 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:34.720 How have you been able to keep track of all 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:37.720 of this stuff going on? And has it at all 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:40.120 affected your love foresaid thing? 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:44.720 No, I think like because the one part of college football, 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:47.520 and I remember having this conversation with my dad this 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:50.800 last football season because he was doing college games for 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:55.360 Learfield IMG on radio and NFL games for Westwood One, 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:58.480 and we were just remarking, and I've talked about this 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:01.920 with Adam Amean before another, but just how much easier 0:10:01.960 --> 0:10:05.319 the preparation is for the NFL product than the college product, 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:08.720 because you've got so much more roster stability year over years, 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:13.400 certainly smaller rosters, especially on game day, a more well 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:16.959 known cast of characters. College football has always been difficult 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:19.320 because you've got new cycles of players coming in every year, 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:23.000 and now you've just upgraded the volatility and movement for 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:25.240 all this That makes it a little harder to keep 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:28.760 track of, but I think also just inherently a lot 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:31.400 more fun. I'm always going to skew pro player rights 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:35.000 just because that came from and so I just a 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:38.080 perfect example. I did the Inside the Gross podcast with 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:41.440 Kyle Hamilton and the Notre Dame players this last week 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:44.320 and just seeing what they've been able to do with that, 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:48.520 and seeing the way that now all of the parts 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:50.920 of recruiting that had been you know, we talk about 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:53.440 happening under the table, and the payouts and the things 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:56.560 like that are starting to you know, just reshape in 0:10:56.600 --> 0:11:01.280 the form of collectives that are putting money into these programs, 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:06.320 and the way it's all reshaped to essentially, finally say, 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:10.000 the funding that we have seen support the marquee programs 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:12.400 in college football is now starting to go towards the 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:15.600 players instead of putting an expensive name on another building 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:19.880 or an indoor facility. To me, seems like progress in 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:21.920 the ways that I want, even if it's going to 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:23.439 come with some complications in the. 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:26.880 Interim fair one of the things I talked about recently 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:29.560 and I was trying to sort of make sense of 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:33.199 because I think nil is a no brainer and hopefully 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:34.720 just a first step. I think it's a no brainer 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:39.520 in terms of we're seeing more humans from players, right, 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:42.480 We're seeing the guys with personality, hopefully more and more 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:45.160 shine and build up and I hate the word brand, 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:47.520 but build up a place within the sport where if 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:50.080 you're living in Florida, but there's a quarterback at Washington 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:52.760 State with a big personality and doing cool things, whether 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:54.880 it's on Instagram or whatever, you're like, oh, that's cool. 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:57.400 I like this guy. I'm going to follow Washington State 0:11:57.440 --> 0:11:59.720 games more than I perhaps was. That's the goal with 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:02.960 all of this that we have a more human sport. 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:05.360 But another part of me and I don't know if 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:07.800 it's nil, and you know, I think it's heart of 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:10.959 transfer portals and opt outs and coaches moving around, players 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:15.320 moving around. Is it's difficult to be a college football fan. 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:18.439 It's easy to be an Arkansas fan. It's easy to 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:22.800 be an Arizona State fan. Well not lately, but it's 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:25.120 easy to be a fan of a team. The sport 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:29.000 is incredibly complicated. If you're just like college football, what's 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:30.719 the deal with that? I'm going to learn more and 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:34.120 you're like, well, welcome to recruiting, welcome to buyouts, welcome 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:37.040 to four hundred and thirty seven things that you have 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:38.920 to follow that you don't if you just want to 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:42.520 kind of get into the NFL. Is college football going 0:12:42.559 --> 0:12:45.920 down a road? And I think it is that it's 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:50.760 becoming very gradually kind of anti fan in how difficult 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:51.720 it is to follow. 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:57.000 I would say no, just because we've seen other sports 0:12:57.040 --> 0:13:00.079 exist with a similar model. Like I've said this a 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:03.000 million times in anyone I've talked to recently because I 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:06.000 just finished reading it, but I read the club talking about, 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:08.640 you know, the format start of the Premier league, and 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:11.559 it is I mean, the Premier League to me, is 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:14.160 a great comp for what college football is, which is 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:18.559 this mass of you know, somewhat related entities who all 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:22.280 play the same sport, who vary in the way that 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:25.000 they bring money into that sport, where really it is 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:28.080 mostly driven by the upper crust of about twenty to 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:30.800 twenty five teams that do the bulk of the heavy 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:34.680 lifting in something that's extremely complicated with transfer windows, the 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:37.280 amount of things that go on with their transaction wise, 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:41.560 that for American fans can be somewhat daunting. So I 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:46.040 still think we've seen like people are willing to understand that. 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:49.000 But I think it's also on the other end. Makes 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:51.760 it really interesting with the presentation because we hear a 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:55.679 lot of the criticism of the College Football Playoff, the 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:59.680 focus on the drive towards the College Football Playoff. Obviously, ESPN, 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:02.560 my former employer, takes a lot of heat for the 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:05.560 way that that's presented in making it seem like the 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:08.280 only part. But to your point, if you are trying 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:11.920 to market this as a national product and a national game, 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:15.960 is there not an argument to say, hey, maybe simplifying 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:19.120 the formula and saying being one of these four teams. 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:22.640 Good being on the outside of that bad and letting 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:25.360 that be a part of the sport, knowing that you 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:27.920 can have access to all these other more complicated things 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:29.520 if you want to dive into the deep. 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:32.200 End, right, Mike, I want you to put your player 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:37.080 hat back on for a second. Everybody in college football 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:40.360 media with a microphone has some sort of opinion on 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:41.440 playoff expansion. 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:42.640 Keep it at. 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:45.840 Four, move to twelve, go to sixteen, like it runs 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:48.840 the full gamut. As you know, from a player's perspective, 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:52.920 the thought of having a couple extra playoff games, perhaps 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:58.160 having a wider net as it relates to qualification for 0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:02.440 the playoff. How do you think players feel about that possibility? 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:06.400 Yeah, you know what, It's so funny. I the more 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:08.320 and more I do this, the more I think back, 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:11.200 I was like, as a player, you really are so 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:15.680 locked into And this was I think something that was 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:18.520 probably more common when I was in school, which is, 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:21.520 you know, over a decade about a decade ago now 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:25.360 compared to now, where these players do have a lot 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:27.520 more voice. Part of NIL and all the things that 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:30.360 we've seen about player rights is we've seen an increasing 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:32.840 uptick in their ability to way in on these things 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:35.040 and their willingness to way in on these things. So 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:38.080 I won't necessarily paint them with the same rush I'm 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:40.360 gonna paint us with. But we just didn't think about 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:43.120 it quite as much, right We were more, Hey, we're 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:44.960 going to show up, give us the parameters, and we'll 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:46.960 go out and operate in the midst of that. And 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:51.000 so there was I think a little more willingness. You know, Millennials, 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:53.480 we were tagged as the Why generation pretty early, where 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:57.040 we wanted a little more reasoning. But I think in general, 0:15:57.200 --> 0:16:00.120 it's you're a high level competitor who came there or 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:03.440 the opportunity to win a national championship. For me, specifically, 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:05.360 you're at Notre Dame. You didn't have anything else, you 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:07.800 didn't have the conference stuff, so that was your only goal. 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:10.960 And so if you're given a broader avenue to that, 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:13.720 and if you are Notre Dame, if you're the PAC twelve, 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:16.480 if you're the group of five, that's certainly enticing in 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:20.160 those ways. And I think now we're just getting more 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:24.360 players that are maybe realizing obviously the wealth and equity 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:26.800 in the people in the center of the arena and 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:29.080 the people surrounding the sport that make all the cash, 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:31.240 but also the part about their bodies, Like at some 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:34.440 point that part of the conversation won't be had because 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:35.880 at the end of the day, we all know that's 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:37.800 not going to drive or effect decision making at all 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:40.400 in this process, which is the shame. But it's the 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:43.240 reality that you're asking players that are still in the 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:47.520 development portion physically and otherwise in their careers to go 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:49.680 out and tack on even a few more games to 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:52.120 all that, and that affects the NFL guys that are 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:54.920 going to potentially go on where you've got that long 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:58.440 year where it's combine training into pro days and rookie 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:01.200 camps and you don't really have that break, and the 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:03.400 players on the other side of that that are just 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:06.280 you know, being taxed more than they used to. But 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:08.800 I think that's definitely a factor, and I think we 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:10.879 see guys a little more aware of that now. But 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:15.000 in general, you're high level competitors with a limited window 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:16.919 to do this. We all probably would have been like, 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:19.120 all right, that means we got a better chance going 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:20.840 into the season, and that's probably a good thing. 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:23.639 Yeah, I think you're right, you know, in general, the 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:26.800 whole topic of player conditioning player safety is one that 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:29.840 was sort of underserved while all of this was circulating 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:31.960 out there about playoff expansion. I think it was the 0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:35.240 ACC commissioner who brought it up and caught some flack 0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:37.040 for it, but I think he was wise to at 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:40.280 least try to bring it onto folks radar, Like, we 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:42.240 could come to a point here pretty soon where you've 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:44.800 got guys that are playing fifteen sixteen, maybe said, I 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:46.320 don't know how many they're going to expand to, but 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:49.040 a lot of games. It's like an NFL regular season. 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:51.960 The difference being in the NFL you get paid to 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:53.959 do it full time. You get paid to condition yourself 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:57.040 full time. When you're in college, you got some other 0:17:57.080 --> 0:17:59.840 stuff on your plate, right, You're you're sort of in 0:17:59.880 --> 0:18:01.360 the developmental stage. 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:04.159 And you have union, right, yes, and you pro to 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:06.639 collectively bargain yeah, how many games? 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:09.720 Yeah? And it's and listen, and I understand and hear 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:12.040 people who say too that it's only going to be 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:16.040 a select few teams that end up playing markedly more 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:18.359 or even a couple more games than are on the 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:20.840 schedule right now. Like all those things you apply, but 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:24.080 you're right, it's that notion of the fairness of this 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:27.160 was agreed upon by all of us, whereas now it's 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:28.600 just dictated. 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:31.480 To yeah, right, Yeah, I mean, I guess the thought 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:34.080 that comes to mind for me is how many programs 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:35.960 out there? And I think you're you're wise to point 0:18:35.960 --> 0:18:39.040 out it might only be a handful that consistently play 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:41.359 that number of games in a given year. But it 0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:44.399 does make you wonder how many programs out there actually 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:47.680 have the infrastructure, and by that I mean like conditioning 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:51.399 infrastructure to handle that added burden, especially later in the 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:53.360 year when bodies are breaking down a little bit more. 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:55.800 It seems like that's quite a challenge that has not 0:18:55.880 --> 0:18:58.600 really been articulated well enough. 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:02.199 Yeah, I think that's kind of going to be a 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:04.600 similar answer to what we have now though, right, because 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:08.440 I mean, even even going back, it's always been teams 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:11.479 with the quality depth to manage that attrition. Like I 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:13.920 remember talking about this leading up to the BCS when 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:17.200 we played Bama, and the book was no one used 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:20.359 that forty days better than Alabama because they've got so 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:24.040 much quality depth. Nick grinds them so hard during the 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:26.600 SEC season and then you get that time to build 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:29.399 their bodies back up, and so I think we're going 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:31.920 to see, you know, it's it's the teams that can 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:35.600 recruit five star depth everywhere the way Alabama, Georgia, Ohio 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:38.280 State and others have for so long that are going 0:19:38.359 --> 0:19:40.200 to be and you know, that are well funded enough, 0:19:40.240 --> 0:19:43.960 whose sports nutrition and sports science departments are at that 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:46.320 point where they can use all that because I mean, 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:49.560 now we're in the age of you know, movement tracking 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:52.600 and all these different things that were you know, just 0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:55.639 being whispered about in you know, twenty twelve, twenty thirteen, 0:19:55.720 --> 0:19:59.040 twenty fourteen that are just accepted everyday parts of the sport. 0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:01.200 So I I think it's going to continue to be 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:04.199 those sort of same things. I think it's who is 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:07.879 the blue chip principal the blue tab ratio, Yeah, the 0:20:07.880 --> 0:20:10.800 blue chip ratio, but elliots, yeah, yeah, it's going to 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:13.000 be that same principle. I think the Bud brought up 0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:16.040 because in general, the teams that are operating within those 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:19.320 parameters are the ones that have the structure everywhere else 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:21.000 to kind of feed what we're talking about. 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:23.160 So what we're talking about right now is we're talking 0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:24.639 about the top of the top of the top of 0:20:24.680 --> 0:20:26.280 the sport, right, and that we're seeing a lot of 0:20:26.320 --> 0:20:28.320 the same teams playing a lot of the same games 0:20:28.400 --> 0:20:32.199 year over year. And your now former job, which you 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:34.320 had like seven of them at ESPN, it seemed, whether 0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:37.000 it was calling games, whether it was doing your live stream, 0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:39.119 so it was doing your radio show, it involved a 0:20:39.160 --> 0:20:41.720 lot of conversation. And we are guilty of the same 0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:44.000 thing about the teams who are winning the most games, 0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:46.440 the teams who are putting themselves with the highest TV 0:20:46.600 --> 0:20:48.840 ratings that people care seem to care about the most. 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:53.199 You've had this time away from a microphone, have you 0:20:54.160 --> 0:20:57.840 looked into the sports? Have you been able to take 0:20:57.880 --> 0:20:59.639 in have you been able to enjoy have you been 0:20:59.640 --> 0:21:02.719 able to be curious about teams in the sport, coaches 0:21:02.760 --> 0:21:05.520 in the sport, players in the sports, storylines within the 0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:09.200 sport that like it's sort of a welcome change where 0:21:09.200 --> 0:21:11.760 you're like, oh man, that is interesting what I was doing, 0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:14.439 which that's a bad example because it's not, but it 0:21:14.520 --> 0:21:17.200 is interesting, like what San Diego State's defense is doing, 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:19.840 or it is interesting what you know Oregon or Florida, 0:21:19.880 --> 0:21:23.200 any of these teams. Is there something that like beneath 0:21:23.880 --> 0:21:27.040 everybody else that's been grant and that's been sort of 0:21:27.640 --> 0:21:28.520 getting you excited. 0:21:29.200 --> 0:21:32.960 Well, I think in general, I could say that feeling 0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:36.800 for me that was fed while I was still working 0:21:36.840 --> 0:21:39.920 at ESPN, but two years ago during the pandemic, when 0:21:39.920 --> 0:21:41.760 I got to do Thursday night games that at that 0:21:41.800 --> 0:21:44.760 point were largely group of five. You know, we're living 0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:48.199 in the mac and the Sun Belt and getting to 0:21:48.280 --> 0:21:50.240 see a lot more of those teams up close, because, 0:21:50.280 --> 0:21:52.959 as you guys know, calling games like you're dealing with 0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:55.280 a level of intimacy with the product that you don't 0:21:55.320 --> 0:21:58.159 get doing talk radio or doing our Twitter shows, and 0:21:58.240 --> 0:22:01.320 so that was all is fun for me to kind 0:22:01.320 --> 0:22:04.240 of then meet like I took so much pride in 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:07.359 getting to call Buffalo games, and then that later that spring, 0:22:07.800 --> 0:22:10.000 walk into the draft and be like, I can't believe 0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:12.720 no one took a shot on Jared Patterson. He's going 0:22:12.720 --> 0:22:15.120 to wind up making some team better, only to watch 0:22:15.240 --> 0:22:17.919 him end up making the Washington football team roster. Like 0:22:18.400 --> 0:22:21.600 those things were always super endearing, and so now like 0:22:21.720 --> 0:22:25.040 heading into the twenty twenty two season, because of where 0:22:25.080 --> 0:22:27.000 I left the end of last season and because I 0:22:27.000 --> 0:22:29.439 got to deal with them a little bit like a 0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:33.400 couple of times really watching Shane Beemer, South Carolina product, 0:22:33.440 --> 0:22:35.800 and what that's going to morph into the guy who 0:22:35.880 --> 0:22:39.520 became sort of college footballs Ted Lasso, who pulled off 0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:42.679 one of I think this like we're going to have 0:22:42.760 --> 0:22:45.280 to in retrospect talk about a lot more because I 0:22:45.320 --> 0:22:48.359 just recently saw an article about it, the level of 0:22:48.400 --> 0:22:52.640 secrecy that went into DK Joyner playing quarterback in that hole. 0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:55.879 Yeah for South Carolina where no one, I mean they 0:22:55.920 --> 0:22:58.640 wouldn't even let him warm up in pregame for that 0:22:58.720 --> 0:23:00.960 one and get any sort of touches, and like what 0:23:01.000 --> 0:23:04.040 went into that from a strategic standpoint to go out 0:23:04.080 --> 0:23:06.200 and win. You know, the the border war in the 0:23:06.280 --> 0:23:09.879 Duke's Mayo Bowl was incredible. But now it's become this 0:23:10.000 --> 0:23:12.960 launching point where there are more added eyes on this 0:23:13.080 --> 0:23:15.880 South Carolina program where all right, we've got them, We've 0:23:15.880 --> 0:23:19.200 got Mississippi State, We've got you know, Josh Hipels Tennessee 0:23:19.240 --> 0:23:22.160 that really took off one tended hooker got under center 0:23:22.280 --> 0:23:24.880 last year. You've got a lot of those like mid 0:23:24.920 --> 0:23:28.080 tier programs in a number of conferences that have come 0:23:28.160 --> 0:23:31.080 up in that way. But like you're right getting to 0:23:31.240 --> 0:23:35.000 enjoy stuff like that, getting to read, you know, and 0:23:35.160 --> 0:23:37.399 try and look into more of what's going to happen 0:23:37.440 --> 0:23:40.120 with Pitt Now that you know, you've got Whipple that's 0:23:40.119 --> 0:23:42.600 gone down in Nebraska that you're you know, in the 0:23:42.600 --> 0:23:47.280 post Kenny Pickett, they just extended, you know, their coach 0:23:47.320 --> 0:23:50.400 till twenty thirty, So all all of those things. You're right, 0:23:50.440 --> 0:23:53.200 I probably have a little more time to consume now, 0:23:53.280 --> 0:23:55.880 but those were things that were getting fed I think 0:23:55.880 --> 0:23:58.960 in large part because I was calling games more consistently. 0:24:00.000 --> 0:24:02.080 One of the things that we've talked about that I'm 0:24:02.119 --> 0:24:05.560 curious what your opinion is or I guess it's more 0:24:05.600 --> 0:24:07.240 of a I don't know if it's a trend, but 0:24:07.280 --> 0:24:10.880 it could be something worth following is the way coaches 0:24:11.000 --> 0:24:15.200 are reacting to the realities of twenty twenty two and beyond. 0:24:15.280 --> 0:24:18.520 And we have some older, grizzled guys, and whether it's 0:24:18.600 --> 0:24:21.680 recruiting who are like good coaches but like not putting 0:24:21.720 --> 0:24:24.320 the emphasis like what we've heard about Dan Mullin at Florida, 0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:28.240 like great offensive mind, disappointing results on the recruiting trail. 0:24:28.280 --> 0:24:30.959 Future didn't look bright. A change was needed, right and 0:24:31.000 --> 0:24:33.800 the locker room was lost. So there's like this culture 0:24:33.840 --> 0:24:37.000 recruiting guy versus like these grizzled old older coaches guy. 0:24:37.119 --> 0:24:39.320 Like there was the example, I think Chris Peterson was like, 0:24:39.400 --> 0:24:41.720 who's smarter than Chris Peterson? Who's a better coach? An 0:24:41.800 --> 0:24:44.840 offensive coach than Chris Peterson is a head coach? And 0:24:45.320 --> 0:24:46.639 by the end of his tenure he was like, I 0:24:46.680 --> 0:24:48.840 don't like the portal. I don't like where recruiting is going. 0:24:48.880 --> 0:24:51.159 I'm gonna call you know, games and I'm gonna do 0:24:51.200 --> 0:24:53.240 TV for Fox. That's I want to be a receivers 0:24:53.240 --> 0:24:55.280 coach at UC Davis. That's like one of the things 0:24:55.280 --> 0:24:57.600 he told Bruce Felman. I don't want to call it 0:24:57.640 --> 0:25:00.800 a talent drain, but do you see this heading in 0:25:00.880 --> 0:25:05.800 a dramatic coaching talent shift to those who are willing 0:25:05.800 --> 0:25:09.399 to accept realities and not willing to accept realities? 0:25:09.920 --> 0:25:12.040 Oh? I absolutely think so. Because the one thing in 0:25:12.119 --> 0:25:13.639 all of this, as much as I'm going to skew 0:25:13.680 --> 0:25:16.240 pro player and as much as what I say is 0:25:16.280 --> 0:25:19.920 always couch with your well paid so do it, is 0:25:19.960 --> 0:25:22.600 the understanding that the workload for coaches just went up 0:25:22.720 --> 0:25:25.600 a number fold, right from having to you know, make 0:25:25.600 --> 0:25:28.080 sure and they say recruit your own players. To me, 0:25:28.160 --> 0:25:30.919 it's always you've just got to keep the promises a 0:25:30.960 --> 0:25:33.520 lot more consistently than a lot of people probably have 0:25:33.600 --> 0:25:36.000 in the past, because that's always a part of this 0:25:36.200 --> 0:25:38.639 is where if you're being consistent in your message, the 0:25:38.680 --> 0:25:41.280 way it's applied, and the way that you build those relationships, 0:25:41.480 --> 0:25:44.520 I think it's pretty easy. Matt Brown was really insightful 0:25:44.600 --> 0:25:46.359 talking to him in the lead up for that Bowl 0:25:46.400 --> 0:25:49.560 game about the portal, which is, if we're doing our 0:25:49.640 --> 0:25:52.479 job the right way, players will want to stay. And 0:25:52.520 --> 0:25:55.400 if players want to leave, then the promises we made 0:25:55.400 --> 0:25:57.440 to them and their families in their living room where 0:25:57.440 --> 0:25:58.959 we were going to do right by them, And so 0:25:59.040 --> 0:26:01.480 he goes. We have all always tried to help whoever 0:26:01.520 --> 0:26:04.320 wants to leave wind up in that next spot, but 0:26:04.440 --> 0:26:07.000 it's still extra work. And so I think it'll be 0:26:07.000 --> 0:26:09.840 interesting if it makes the general coaching pool even younger 0:26:09.840 --> 0:26:12.159 than it had already been trending. Right we'd seen college 0:26:12.200 --> 0:26:16.760 and pro this tendency towards young, especially offensive minded coordinators 0:26:16.800 --> 0:26:19.439 getting a lot of these head jobs, and now you 0:26:19.560 --> 0:26:22.159 wonder if just because of the physical demand, you know, 0:26:22.160 --> 0:26:25.159 we'd notre name Marcus Freeman, him saying I'm going to 0:26:25.200 --> 0:26:28.040 be involved in every one of these recruiting pitches. I'm 0:26:28.080 --> 0:26:29.960 going to be in every kid's phone book and living 0:26:30.040 --> 0:26:32.760 room and just watching that world tour he went on 0:26:32.800 --> 0:26:35.800 the jet after he got signed, you know, leading up 0:26:35.840 --> 0:26:38.359 to the Fiesta Bal. I don't know if that's something that, 0:26:38.440 --> 0:26:43.240 like physically, people can really hold on to for all 0:26:43.320 --> 0:26:46.240 that long. And so you wonder if all of that 0:26:46.280 --> 0:26:48.440 does skew younger because I wouldn't blame a lot of 0:26:48.480 --> 0:26:50.560 these guys who have been around. Hell, even Dabo Sweeney 0:26:50.600 --> 0:26:53.280 when we talked to him during the season, he was 0:26:53.320 --> 0:26:57.120 one that was criticized for not necessarily being as involved 0:26:57.119 --> 0:26:58.880 in the portal. They had a bunch of guys leave, 0:26:58.960 --> 0:27:01.120 not a lot of guys come in. And he really 0:27:01.160 --> 0:27:04.280 hugs tight that mantra of we believe we build guys 0:27:04.280 --> 0:27:07.040 here through our culture. That still, even though we recruit 0:27:07.080 --> 0:27:10.160 at a high level now, our foundation is player development. 0:27:10.280 --> 0:27:13.199 All of these things you've seen Dabbo resistant to some 0:27:13.280 --> 0:27:15.399 of the change in college football for a while. But 0:27:15.520 --> 0:27:17.679 you a wonder if there are others like him who 0:27:17.760 --> 0:27:21.160 are certainly less successful, who just say, yeah, you know what, 0:27:21.560 --> 0:27:23.720 I've made enough money. I can go do something else 0:27:23.760 --> 0:27:26.280 and leave this to people who might be more willing 0:27:26.359 --> 0:27:29.880 to on the upward trajectory of their career absorb all 0:27:29.920 --> 0:27:30.760 this new workflow. 0:27:30.960 --> 0:27:33.280 You've been around players for a good amount of time now, 0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:37.240 dating back to when you played calling games, being around 0:27:37.960 --> 0:27:42.040 interviewing players, talking with players before games you call. Has 0:27:42.080 --> 0:27:45.760 there been a change at all in what you get from? 0:27:46.000 --> 0:27:48.760 And look, it's very easy to say like kids these 0:27:48.840 --> 0:27:50.840 days whatever, but like, I don't know eighteen year olds 0:27:50.880 --> 0:27:53.439 or eighteen year olds on a certain level, but they 0:27:53.480 --> 0:27:56.560 are faced with demands that TI didn't have to face 0:27:56.600 --> 0:27:58.880 when he was in college in the seventies. I didn't 0:27:58.920 --> 0:28:01.360 have to face, you know, as a non player obviously 0:28:01.359 --> 0:28:03.840 that you didn't have to face being recruited. And you know, whatever, 0:28:03.880 --> 0:28:08.199 two thousand and nine does. Does anything unique strike you 0:28:08.240 --> 0:28:12.119 about this current generation of players in terms of savviness, 0:28:12.119 --> 0:28:14.600 in terms of personality, in terms like is there anything 0:28:14.920 --> 0:28:17.199 unique to where we are right now in terms of 0:28:17.240 --> 0:28:18.720 this generation of players? 0:28:19.760 --> 0:28:22.560 I'd say, in general, like the meat of the bell 0:28:22.680 --> 0:28:25.760 curve is pretty similar, right, because so much of what 0:28:25.840 --> 0:28:27.879 we deal with is on the extremes in the media, 0:28:27.920 --> 0:28:30.280 and the meat of the Bell curve is honestly guys 0:28:30.320 --> 0:28:32.480 like me, Guys that wait three four years to get 0:28:32.480 --> 0:28:34.920 their chance to hopefully start a handful of games, to 0:28:35.520 --> 0:28:37.439 live out this dream of doing what they want to 0:28:37.440 --> 0:28:40.200 do and have the potential to change their family's life, 0:28:40.200 --> 0:28:43.080 whether it's through the education they receive or the potential 0:28:43.120 --> 0:28:45.600 for NFL dollars, and like all that stuff's they are 0:28:45.640 --> 0:28:47.840 all like the normal silly stuff that comes along with 0:28:47.920 --> 0:28:50.840 being eighteen to twenty two is there. But I think 0:28:50.880 --> 0:28:53.080 the one part that's been striking to me in a 0:28:53.200 --> 0:28:55.680 number of ways is how quick these guys have had 0:28:55.720 --> 0:28:59.080 to grow up through recruiting. Yep, Like we knew going 0:28:59.160 --> 0:29:01.840 back to when Lane offered you know whoever it was 0:29:01.880 --> 0:29:05.040 back in seventh grade. Like life kind of changed then 0:29:05.160 --> 0:29:07.959 with how quickly the eyeballs were on you. And I 0:29:08.040 --> 0:29:10.080 just remember when I was getting recruited, we were at 0:29:10.080 --> 0:29:12.920 the beginning of like those Nike Spark training things where 0:29:12.960 --> 0:29:15.240 they'd go through and rank guys on the other side 0:29:15.320 --> 0:29:20.120 of and it was starting to become that recruiting circuit 0:29:20.520 --> 0:29:24.080 was vital to your opportunity to go and receive a scholarship. 0:29:24.080 --> 0:29:26.760 Before I committed to Notre Dame. I was scheduled to 0:29:26.800 --> 0:29:29.560 go to like five different junior days that next month. 0:29:29.800 --> 0:29:31.960 You're going to hit the camp circuit that summer heading 0:29:32.000 --> 0:29:34.640 into senior year. Now, if you're not doing that as 0:29:34.680 --> 0:29:37.280 a freshman sophomore, if you're not involved in you know, 0:29:37.560 --> 0:29:40.440 elead eleven for quarterbacks, the seven on seven tournaments that 0:29:40.440 --> 0:29:43.880 have proliferated the sport. How those and the coaches involved 0:29:43.880 --> 0:29:46.200 in those have become a part of this recruiting process 0:29:47.040 --> 0:29:49.760 has already changed the way that players have to approach 0:29:49.840 --> 0:29:53.880 this decision, being more professional about it early on. Now 0:29:53.920 --> 0:29:56.880 you throw nil in on top of that, where the 0:29:57.000 --> 0:30:00.520 worry for always me, always for me, and I've seen 0:30:00.560 --> 0:30:02.880 born out in some of the reporting around this is 0:30:03.360 --> 0:30:05.959 you're going to get sixteen seventeen year olds that are 0:30:06.000 --> 0:30:09.560 approached with contracts that in some cases are bad, that 0:30:09.640 --> 0:30:12.440 are predatory, that are taking advantage of their rights at 0:30:12.480 --> 0:30:14.760 a time where they're seeing dollar amounts they could never 0:30:14.800 --> 0:30:17.520 have dreamed of, and they don't yet have at their 0:30:17.560 --> 0:30:21.320 disposal legal counsel people that can read over these contracts 0:30:21.360 --> 0:30:23.560 and help them, and so in a lot of ways, 0:30:23.560 --> 0:30:26.360 they've already had to grow up fast, and now we're 0:30:26.400 --> 0:30:29.600 about to watch that even hit hyper drive for the 0:30:29.720 --> 0:30:32.479 upper crust of the sport. You know, we're sitting around 0:30:32.520 --> 0:30:35.520 all debating the nil money that's coming arch Manning's way. 0:30:35.880 --> 0:30:39.719 Thank God, he has got an entire family lineage of 0:30:39.800 --> 0:30:41.520 people that are going to be able to take care 0:30:41.520 --> 0:30:43.400 of him. That's not going to be the same for everybody, 0:30:43.440 --> 0:30:46.320 and that's not just football, and so I think for 0:30:46.400 --> 0:30:50.239 that you don't get to figure it out slowly or 0:30:50.280 --> 0:30:53.200 make mistakes early on anymore. The stakes have been raised 0:30:53.200 --> 0:30:54.800 too high for a lot of these players. 0:30:55.200 --> 0:30:58.000 Yeah, I was going to say, Mike, the combo play 0:30:58.080 --> 0:31:03.600 of nil becoming more prevalent with the transfer rules changing, 0:31:04.080 --> 0:31:08.720 has certainly given players a lot more authority than they had, 0:31:08.840 --> 0:31:10.880 you know when you played, even a couple of years ago, 0:31:11.000 --> 0:31:12.840 when guys were playing. I mean, it's just a totally 0:31:12.840 --> 0:31:16.480 different universe now, you know. And we see it on 0:31:16.520 --> 0:31:20.040 our end running a podcast, sort of these dual universes 0:31:20.080 --> 0:31:23.880 between people who are out there huge college football fans 0:31:24.400 --> 0:31:28.200 and want to give players a little bit more of 0:31:28.240 --> 0:31:31.360 their own power versus just the pure fan in all 0:31:31.400 --> 0:31:33.720 of us that, as Dan said earlier, might be a 0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:36.480 little bit bummed out that the sport is changing so rapidly. 0:31:36.960 --> 0:31:38.600 Where do you kind of fall in that spectrum? I 0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:41.520 know you said earlier you're pro player, but how do 0:31:41.560 --> 0:31:44.120 you just sort of digest all of this change and 0:31:44.520 --> 0:31:46.280 the speed at which the sport is changing? 0:31:47.560 --> 0:31:51.560 New is always hard because we're creatures of habit, especially 0:31:51.600 --> 0:31:54.959 when it comes to sport. I'd say this, and this 0:31:55.000 --> 0:31:58.640 doesn't apply to a lot of people, and you guys 0:31:58.640 --> 0:32:01.520 mentioned sometimes it's hard to digest and keep track of 0:32:01.560 --> 0:32:03.560 as a fan to feel like the sports for you. 0:32:04.280 --> 0:32:09.360 I have always had like a very like uncomfortable suspicion. 0:32:09.480 --> 0:32:12.080 And this is you know, probably grounded in dealing with 0:32:12.240 --> 0:32:14.680 some of the lowest common denominator that you have this 0:32:14.800 --> 0:32:18.400 conversation with, whether it's colors into sports talk show or 0:32:18.440 --> 0:32:20.880 some of the worst you see on Twitter, or even 0:32:20.920 --> 0:32:23.200 what you've heard on the sidelines of games like I 0:32:23.240 --> 0:32:25.680 have a distinct memory when I was in an NFL 0:32:25.720 --> 0:32:28.760 preseason game of being on the sideline with our offensive 0:32:28.800 --> 0:32:31.440 line and hearing a fan yelling something and a couple 0:32:31.520 --> 0:32:33.320 of the guys in the O line, you know, Marky's 0:32:33.320 --> 0:32:36.280 pouncy Ramon Foster, and you hear this fan just start 0:32:36.320 --> 0:32:38.280 to go back to the tried and true line of well, 0:32:38.280 --> 0:32:40.720 I pay your salary, so shut the bleep up and 0:32:40.760 --> 0:32:43.840 go do that thing. There was always a part of 0:32:43.880 --> 0:32:46.000 me that felt like there was too large a section 0:32:46.080 --> 0:32:49.360 of college football fans that loved the sport because they 0:32:49.400 --> 0:32:52.320 knew they had more in one regard than the people 0:32:52.360 --> 0:32:55.200 playing it. Meaning you look out at millionaires you can't 0:32:55.240 --> 0:32:57.840 relate to in the NFL and feel like, all right, 0:32:57.880 --> 0:32:59.960 these highly paid guys I can say X y or 0:33:00.520 --> 0:33:03.080 there was a power dynamic in college that made me 0:33:03.160 --> 0:33:05.680 uncomfortable for a while because it felt like too many 0:33:05.720 --> 0:33:08.760 people enjoyed that. This notion that, oh, the game's more 0:33:08.800 --> 0:33:11.720 pure here because the players aren't played felt like a 0:33:11.760 --> 0:33:14.480 cop out for some feelings. They're a little more complicated 0:33:14.480 --> 0:33:17.760 to digest, and so I like that. We're getting away 0:33:17.760 --> 0:33:20.200 from some of that. New is going to be It's 0:33:20.240 --> 0:33:22.800 like an iPhone update, Right, We'll get used to it eventually, 0:33:23.000 --> 0:33:25.840 and it won't always be this extreme. The pendulum swings 0:33:25.840 --> 0:33:29.120 pretty hard, the portal's going to level out at some point. Right, 0:33:29.520 --> 0:33:32.080 all of this we're gonna get just through sheer volume 0:33:32.120 --> 0:33:35.040 of reps. Better at talking about it. Players are going 0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:37.880 to get better at being more judicious about this because, 0:33:37.920 --> 0:33:39.720 and I think it might have been Bud Elliott that 0:33:39.760 --> 0:33:41.720 I saw talk about this to give him credit again, 0:33:41.960 --> 0:33:46.280 was you're gonna see enough cautionary tales you're going to 0:33:46.320 --> 0:33:48.840 see if you're a player, like word of mouth still 0:33:48.840 --> 0:33:50.760 always the biggest part of all this, right for a 0:33:50.800 --> 0:33:53.760 player when you're getting recruited, nothing sells a team more 0:33:53.800 --> 0:33:55.600 than when you go on to visit. What the dudes 0:33:55.600 --> 0:33:57.720 in the locker room tell you there when you're really 0:33:57.760 --> 0:34:00.320 hanging out with them away from the facility. Thing is 0:34:00.320 --> 0:34:01.840 going to tell you more about that as a player 0:34:01.880 --> 0:34:05.080 potentially wanting to transfer, and nothing is going to show 0:34:05.120 --> 0:34:07.680 you more how you need to move in all these 0:34:07.760 --> 0:34:10.319 new spaces now that you have more agency than having 0:34:10.320 --> 0:34:12.040 a dude from your high school who jumped into the 0:34:12.080 --> 0:34:14.719 transfer portal and ended up down at the SCS level. 0:34:14.719 --> 0:34:19.280 Not that there's anything wrong with that, but seeing consequences 0:34:19.480 --> 0:34:22.080 for people you know, or people you can talk to, 0:34:22.360 --> 0:34:25.000 or enough people to where it's in the back of 0:34:25.040 --> 0:34:28.040 your mind as you make these decisions that I think 0:34:28.120 --> 0:34:29.520 is going to take care of a lot of this. 0:34:29.880 --> 0:34:32.120 In addition to us just getting used to you know 0:34:32.160 --> 0:34:34.800 the quote unquote new normal that we always talk about, 0:34:34.800 --> 0:34:37.319 which has its growing pains, and that's kind of where 0:34:37.320 --> 0:34:38.160 we're at right now. 0:34:39.520 --> 0:34:42.000 Let me switch gears here for a second, if I could. 0:34:42.680 --> 0:34:45.000 You are unique in the sense that you've had a 0:34:45.080 --> 0:34:48.440 chance to work across many different college football mediums, not 0:34:48.520 --> 0:34:50.479 the least of which was as a player, which will 0:34:50.960 --> 0:34:51.400 consider it. 0:34:51.880 --> 0:34:54.960 I like the word disciplines, by the way, has worked 0:34:55.000 --> 0:34:57.480 across many different disciplines. 0:34:57.239 --> 0:35:00.319 And we'll consider being a player one of those. Maybe 0:35:00.360 --> 0:35:03.759 not part of this question. Whether it's radio, mic, whether 0:35:03.800 --> 0:35:06.760 it's TV, whether it's calling games. You're doing this podcast. 0:35:06.760 --> 0:35:08.680 I know you've done other podcasts as well. Do you 0:35:08.719 --> 0:35:10.879 have a preferred medium now that you've had a chance 0:35:10.920 --> 0:35:14.360 to sample so many different ways of getting your voice out. 0:35:15.640 --> 0:35:19.520 Calling games is so much fun, man, Yeah, nice, it's 0:35:20.840 --> 0:35:22.640 It was the thing I fought the hardest for at 0:35:22.840 --> 0:35:25.200 ESPN because coming in I was, you know, starting off 0:35:25.280 --> 0:35:28.440 doing weekend radio and kind of having to slowly build everything, 0:35:28.560 --> 0:35:31.839 and you know where ESPN Digital was a huge way 0:35:31.880 --> 0:35:33.640 for like me and Jason Fitz and a number of 0:35:33.680 --> 0:35:36.040 others to get our voices out in the college football space. 0:35:36.080 --> 0:35:38.200 But I was always like man, I got to call 0:35:38.239 --> 0:35:40.560 a couple of radio games early on, like my second 0:35:40.560 --> 0:35:43.160 third year there, you know, I started doing you know, 0:35:43.200 --> 0:35:45.439 I was what was referred to as the X crew, 0:35:45.480 --> 0:35:47.000 where I was just sort of a floater. If you 0:35:47.040 --> 0:35:49.400 had a game, I was with a different producer almost 0:35:49.440 --> 0:35:51.920 every time, a different play by play almost every time. 0:35:52.080 --> 0:35:56.280 But getting to do that more consistently in the last 0:35:56.280 --> 0:35:59.759 two years especially, you know, preparation wise, it is the 0:35:59.800 --> 0:36:02.359 most similar to getting ready to play a game as 0:36:02.400 --> 0:36:04.279 a player. You get to watch a ton of tape, 0:36:04.280 --> 0:36:06.239 you get to talk to players and coaches, you have 0:36:06.400 --> 0:36:09.120 access and insight, and you get to zero in and 0:36:09.480 --> 0:36:12.080 sort of be an expert on one thing for a week. 0:36:12.160 --> 0:36:14.960 Because as a generalist, like I was on radio so 0:36:15.120 --> 0:36:16.800 much and you know, for a lot of the digital 0:36:16.840 --> 0:36:19.839 work I did, you kind of miss that feeling of 0:36:19.960 --> 0:36:23.239 knowing one thing with a depth that other people don't have, 0:36:23.760 --> 0:36:26.040 And so calling a game's a cool part of that 0:36:26.360 --> 0:36:29.640 is getting to feel like you know something intimately enough 0:36:29.920 --> 0:36:32.560 to offer an insight that's actually helpful. Right Like my 0:36:32.680 --> 0:36:35.600 job as an analyst was to teach, was to watch 0:36:35.640 --> 0:36:38.280 the game through my eyes with an audience and hopefully 0:36:38.360 --> 0:36:40.799 give people something that they didn't know going into it, 0:36:41.080 --> 0:36:43.680 make them laugh, whatever it is, but just how living 0:36:43.719 --> 0:36:46.920 and breathing that was being around stadiums, getting as close 0:36:46.960 --> 0:36:49.200 to the people, the players and the coach is still 0:36:49.200 --> 0:36:52.080 involved in that. I lived that existence. I know what 0:36:52.160 --> 0:36:55.160 goes into it, and we all get removed enough to 0:36:55.239 --> 0:36:58.520 at times treat the people involved like they're just characters 0:36:58.560 --> 0:37:01.680 on a board. Getting that close as always my reminder, 0:37:01.840 --> 0:37:04.080 these are people. They're dealing with a lot more than 0:37:04.080 --> 0:37:06.520 most of us realize on the outside. And so can 0:37:06.600 --> 0:37:09.640 I tell the story of those teams involved, the players 0:37:09.640 --> 0:37:12.960 and coaches with a sort of empathy to that that 0:37:13.120 --> 0:37:15.160 maybe just you know, makes us all pull back for 0:37:15.200 --> 0:37:17.680 a second ago, Oh, that's right. That's a nineteen year 0:37:17.719 --> 0:37:20.000 old kid who may have just lost a loved one 0:37:20.000 --> 0:37:21.920 at home, who's trying to get through finals, who had 0:37:21.960 --> 0:37:24.440 an off week last week, while dealing with all the 0:37:24.480 --> 0:37:26.640 things that come with a normal college football season. 0:37:27.200 --> 0:37:30.320 I'm curious about the conversations you've had with coaches pregame 0:37:30.480 --> 0:37:32.680 in that capacity, just because we've had a number of 0:37:32.680 --> 0:37:35.279 head coaches on and they're fine. Obviously head coaches, you 0:37:35.280 --> 0:37:37.759 know they're going to stick to a talking point or 0:37:37.920 --> 0:37:40.600 seven or whatever, and we have them on less and 0:37:40.640 --> 0:37:43.520 less because it just isn't always the most insightful thing. 0:37:44.840 --> 0:37:49.279 What percentage of coaches, coordinators, whoever that you'll talk to 0:37:49.320 --> 0:37:55.920 before a game are interestingly candid and honest and helpful, 0:37:56.520 --> 0:37:58.239 And I know it's in their interest to be that 0:37:58.280 --> 0:38:00.640 way because you can now give further context like, oh, 0:38:00.680 --> 0:38:02.680 this guy's been beat up, so that's why the secondary 0:38:02.680 --> 0:38:05.960 is struggling. Whatever. And have you ever walked out of 0:38:05.960 --> 0:38:08.759 one of those interview rooms where a coach was like, 0:38:08.800 --> 0:38:10.360 you know, if we take care of business doing X, 0:38:10.440 --> 0:38:11.880 Y and Z, I think we've got a good shot, 0:38:12.200 --> 0:38:14.839 And you yourself have thought the eugh is that guy 0:38:14.920 --> 0:38:17.840 talking about they're about to get destroyed? What are you 0:38:17.960 --> 0:38:20.320 talking about? Does that kind of thing happen? 0:38:20.719 --> 0:38:23.160 Oh? Yeah, that that happens a lot because and again 0:38:23.200 --> 0:38:26.400 like I have, like I always you know again, selfish, 0:38:26.440 --> 0:38:28.560 I'm selfish, and I make everything about me because it's. 0:38:28.480 --> 0:38:30.279 The easiest through. 0:38:30.360 --> 0:38:32.239 Yeah, but I always think about it, like going in 0:38:32.320 --> 0:38:35.520 the amount of times I got asked after that game 0:38:35.560 --> 0:38:38.160 against Alabama, well, do you guys really think that you 0:38:38.200 --> 0:38:41.600 were gonna win? My answer is always absolutely, Like what 0:38:41.680 --> 0:38:44.040 you think we just walked into the we're gonna roll 0:38:44.040 --> 0:38:45.799 over Like no, we were the number one ranked team 0:38:45.800 --> 0:38:47.720 in the country. We thought we were gonna win that game. 0:38:48.080 --> 0:38:50.640 I can understand as an outsider how it looks insane, 0:38:50.680 --> 0:38:52.799 but like when your boots on the ground doing the 0:38:52.840 --> 0:38:56.320 work every day, and especially when you enjoy any level 0:38:56.360 --> 0:38:59.120 of success or see the results from that, you're gonna 0:38:59.120 --> 0:39:00.960 wear that as a player. And so I understand as 0:39:01.000 --> 0:39:04.040 a player as a coach dealing intimately with that, how 0:39:04.600 --> 0:39:06.520 your jobs to go and win these games and you're 0:39:06.600 --> 0:39:08.880 part of that is I mean, we see plenty of 0:39:08.920 --> 0:39:11.680 coaches do those Miagi tactics. Even Nick Saban gets the 0:39:11.760 --> 0:39:13.960 chip on his shoulder for his guys. Your jobs to 0:39:14.080 --> 0:39:17.760 make everyone believe that that's possible, and sometimes that starts 0:39:17.760 --> 0:39:20.600 with making yourself believe it, even if it might not 0:39:20.640 --> 0:39:23.680 come naturally. So yeah, that's definitely happened plenty of times. 0:39:23.680 --> 0:39:27.920 But as far as how many are actually helpful, I 0:39:27.960 --> 0:39:31.560 think it's interesting. So there's a ton of factors that 0:39:31.600 --> 0:39:34.720 have gone into that, most notably in the last couple 0:39:34.680 --> 0:39:37.200 of years, a lot of the meetings pivoting to Zoom 0:39:37.239 --> 0:39:39.319 because of the pandemic has made that sure. I think 0:39:39.400 --> 0:39:42.919 coaches are inherently distrustful of technology, and when you get 0:39:42.960 --> 0:39:46.640 them in that setting, it feels more formal than when 0:39:46.640 --> 0:39:49.080 we go in the past be there in person and 0:39:49.080 --> 0:39:50.960 you're sitting in a room. There's not a microphone and 0:39:51.080 --> 0:39:53.400 phone on, no one's got a camera out. Some of 0:39:53.440 --> 0:39:55.719 these guys, especially when you're a former player, kind of 0:39:55.800 --> 0:39:58.200 know and at this point, now I've been doing this 0:39:58.280 --> 0:40:00.400 long enough to work like I kind of have you 0:40:00.440 --> 0:40:02.440 know coaches that were you know, listening to me when 0:40:02.440 --> 0:40:04.359 I was on morning drive for a little bit or 0:40:04.400 --> 0:40:06.920 just you know, there's some familiarity, so they'll loosen up 0:40:06.960 --> 0:40:09.799 a little bit and they'll give you stuff, especially once 0:40:09.800 --> 0:40:11.640 you proved them and you had them a couple of 0:40:11.640 --> 0:40:14.120 times and you've proved you won't burn them on the 0:40:14.160 --> 0:40:16.840 other side, right, Like I had a coach once an 0:40:16.880 --> 0:40:19.759 offensive coordinator for a team, and this is a lot 0:40:19.800 --> 0:40:23.600 more common, I'd say for teams in the Group of five, 0:40:23.880 --> 0:40:27.359 smaller Power five teams, ones that are not yet established, 0:40:27.400 --> 0:40:30.080 like George Alabama, Clemson, they don't have to give us 0:40:30.120 --> 0:40:32.680 stuff like everyone knows them. They don't need your help 0:40:32.680 --> 0:40:36.160 as much in selling the program. Some of these smaller schools, 0:40:36.200 --> 0:40:38.680 and I had one group of five school the offensive 0:40:38.680 --> 0:40:42.040 coordinator legit brought us into the meeting room and played 0:40:42.120 --> 0:40:44.440 us their Friday practice tape that they were going to 0:40:44.480 --> 0:40:47.760 show the players, including the plays that they were stealing 0:40:47.760 --> 0:40:49.840 from another like not stealing, but like the plays that 0:40:49.880 --> 0:40:52.920 they were implementing that another team had run against that 0:40:53.040 --> 0:40:56.320 common opponent. Showing us there like the same Friday practice 0:40:56.320 --> 0:40:58.520 cutups I would have watched as a player. He took 0:40:58.600 --> 0:41:00.319 us into the meeting room, took us through all all that, 0:41:00.440 --> 0:41:03.320 walked us through their thought process. I mean there's some coaches. 0:41:03.360 --> 0:41:05.880 I mean they'll give you, hey, this yard marker is 0:41:05.880 --> 0:41:08.319 this hash? We've got extrick play dialed up if you 0:41:08.360 --> 0:41:11.400 guys want to be ready for that. And they understand 0:41:11.480 --> 0:41:13.480 because they're trying to make sure the story of their 0:41:13.520 --> 0:41:16.719 program is told in that way. So yeah, you get 0:41:16.760 --> 0:41:18.680 plenty of that, you know, especially you get closer to 0:41:18.719 --> 0:41:21.680 game time stuff like you know what guys are injured, 0:41:21.840 --> 0:41:24.239 you know what they're seeing in pre game, you know 0:41:24.600 --> 0:41:26.960 trends they've seen leading up to it. Like that's the 0:41:27.000 --> 0:41:30.120 fun part too, is kind of taking the temperature in 0:41:30.200 --> 0:41:32.839 talking to a coach, you know, storyline wife what they've 0:41:32.840 --> 0:41:35.319 dealt with for the last few weeks, and getting a 0:41:35.440 --> 0:41:38.879 very real sentiment I have a very distinct memory of, 0:41:39.440 --> 0:41:41.719 and I know I'm not betraying a trust here, but 0:41:42.400 --> 0:41:48.560 I called Jamie Chadwell and Coastal Carolina's first upset of Kansas. 0:41:48.680 --> 0:41:51.320 I was on the road. It was like an ESPN 0:41:51.360 --> 0:41:54.760 plus Big twelve now game, and it was Coastal coming 0:41:54.800 --> 0:41:57.719 off of being displaced by the hurricane, right where they 0:41:57.719 --> 0:41:59.799 have been practicing in a number of different places leading 0:41:59.880 --> 0:42:01.960 up to it, and they beat Kansas, and that was 0:42:02.000 --> 0:42:04.680 sort of where Coastal started its rise to where we've 0:42:04.719 --> 0:42:08.399 seen them in recent years. But just getting to talk 0:42:08.440 --> 0:42:11.880 to them candidly about like, hey, these guys have been 0:42:11.920 --> 0:42:14.320 living out of hotels for the last few weeks. Tulane 0:42:14.400 --> 0:42:16.239 leading up to the Old Miss game this year, where 0:42:16.239 --> 0:42:20.000 they had been in a similar situation, was really informative 0:42:20.040 --> 0:42:24.800 of just getting like the intimate details of what life's 0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:28.200 been like for almost an entire athletic department, in Tulane's case, 0:42:28.280 --> 0:42:31.239 living out of a hotel. All that stuff really can 0:42:31.280 --> 0:42:34.480 inform again to try and humanize when things happen in 0:42:34.480 --> 0:42:36.719 a game. It's all right man like Tulane had heavy 0:42:36.760 --> 0:42:39.080 legs going against one of the best offenses in college 0:42:39.080 --> 0:42:42.040 football and Lane Kiffen's old miss They're also at the 0:42:42.080 --> 0:42:44.719 tail end of dealing with something that most people will 0:42:44.719 --> 0:42:47.279 never have to fathom in their lifetime, and so all 0:42:47.280 --> 0:42:49.799 of a sudden that stuff helps them becomes more understandable. 0:42:49.840 --> 0:42:53.440 So yeah, I'd say assistance. The smaller the school, and 0:42:53.480 --> 0:42:56.120 now the further along. You know, That's why being on 0:42:56.200 --> 0:42:59.160 site and getting these relationships are important, because then you 0:42:59.200 --> 0:43:01.719 get a few reps with each of these guys in 0:43:01.760 --> 0:43:03.160 the comfort level starts to grow. 0:43:04.120 --> 0:43:06.239 You might be a little bit more candid about this. Now, 0:43:06.520 --> 0:43:09.200 who do I talk to to fix ESPN's score bug? 0:43:09.880 --> 0:43:13.400 Who do I talk to the big fat score belt 0:43:13.600 --> 0:43:16.799 atop the bottom line that takes up eighteen percent of 0:43:16.840 --> 0:43:20.440 my beautiful four K screen? And I know certain sports 0:43:20.480 --> 0:43:22.399 have deals where like you can't show the bottom line 0:43:22.440 --> 0:43:25.520 like the Masters, it has to be like the nice, minimalist, 0:43:25.560 --> 0:43:29.040 beautiful score bug. Who do we call? Do we email? 0:43:29.080 --> 0:43:31.120 Do we petition? What do we do here? Because I 0:43:31.160 --> 0:43:34.080 want to see some field, I want to see some safeties. 0:43:34.360 --> 0:43:36.720 I want to see everything, well. 0:43:36.719 --> 0:43:39.600 Like obviously like leafitting would probably be a good place 0:43:39.640 --> 0:43:42.160 to go on there. Sure, sure we know the bizarre 0:43:42.160 --> 0:43:45.440 of all things college football at ESPN, but I'd say, like, honestly, 0:43:45.520 --> 0:43:48.920 like a staunch Twitter campaign might work like less. Do 0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:53.520 we not forget how quickly ESPN's Monday Night football score 0:43:53.560 --> 0:43:56.719 bug changed when they had that lime action green in 0:43:56.760 --> 0:43:59.520 it that was being mistaken for flags constantly. 0:43:59.640 --> 0:44:03.160 We have that still, we have that still in college 0:44:03.200 --> 0:44:03.880 we have the yellow. 0:44:04.160 --> 0:44:06.600 Yeah, in college we have the yellow. But remember the 0:44:06.680 --> 0:44:10.920 reaction was so strong in time they changed it mid broadcasts. 0:44:10.960 --> 0:44:13.960 So that still seems like the best recourse is to 0:44:14.080 --> 0:44:17.680 publicly shame someone on Twitter. And I'm certainly not campaigning 0:44:17.719 --> 0:44:20.480 for anyone to spam my former employer. No, no, no, it's 0:44:20.600 --> 0:44:23.640 on great terms. I love them dearly. But it seems 0:44:23.680 --> 0:44:25.880 like tweeting is still one of the most effective ways 0:44:26.160 --> 0:44:27.319 I've tried so far. 0:44:27.600 --> 0:44:29.920 Not we only I mean, we don't have like Ashton 0:44:29.960 --> 0:44:33.319 Kutch or followers. We've got a thirty thousand something, but man, 0:44:33.400 --> 0:44:36.839 it's it's rough. Is there anything like just now? As 0:44:36.880 --> 0:44:39.600 a consumer not necessarily about ESPN, You're like, man, I 0:44:39.640 --> 0:44:43.399 wish college football on TV were more had more of 0:44:43.480 --> 0:44:45.560 this you're always gonna get them complaints about like a 0:44:45.719 --> 0:44:48.520 four hour games whatever. But like we've been asked this question, 0:44:48.640 --> 0:44:50.640 like if we were in charge of CBS, BSPN or 0:44:50.680 --> 0:44:53.880 something like, how would you fix the broadcast experience of 0:44:53.920 --> 0:44:58.680 a college football game? Yeah, I mean you're on the spot, 0:44:58.719 --> 0:45:00.160 I understand, but yeah, no, Well. 0:45:00.400 --> 0:45:04.040 It's one of those things. Like again, the length has 0:45:04.120 --> 0:45:06.520 always been a part of it. Like I think what 0:45:06.600 --> 0:45:10.040 the NFL did this last year surrounding replay would go 0:45:10.160 --> 0:45:13.160 a long way. Yep, in a lot of that, But 0:45:13.320 --> 0:45:17.680 like I just think in general, doing what some leagues 0:45:17.760 --> 0:45:19.919 and I think the PLL did a really good job 0:45:19.960 --> 0:45:21.919 of this of getting under the helmet a little more. 0:45:21.920 --> 0:45:24.640 Premiere Lacrosse League did a lot more of those in 0:45:24.800 --> 0:45:28.759 game interviews, used the unbridled access that they have, And like, 0:45:29.360 --> 0:45:32.080 if you're a ESPN, you basically own the entirety of 0:45:32.120 --> 0:45:35.040 the sport. You are such an intimate partner in college 0:45:35.040 --> 0:45:37.680 football in so many ways that I feel like we 0:45:37.760 --> 0:45:40.799 could get even closer in a way that still. I mean, hell, 0:45:40.840 --> 0:45:42.680 we see it in the spring games every year, where 0:45:42.680 --> 0:45:45.520 you've essentially got Nick Saban and Davos twenty calling the 0:45:45.600 --> 0:45:49.080 games with the crew selling their programs, like the good 0:45:49.080 --> 0:45:52.160 teams will recognize these are all opportunities to market yourself 0:45:52.200 --> 0:45:55.040 even better. And I think now as we broach an 0:45:55.120 --> 0:45:57.279 area in a day and age where players have more 0:45:57.360 --> 0:45:59.799 agency and are more willing to talk and more able 0:45:59.840 --> 0:46:02.959 to because a lot of it's dictated by nil money 0:46:02.960 --> 0:46:04.840 and then being paid to, like, we need to know 0:46:04.960 --> 0:46:07.000 them even better and all that. So I'd say that, 0:46:07.040 --> 0:46:09.439 and then just in general, like you know, we also 0:46:09.480 --> 0:46:11.239 have to remember to not take it so seriously. I 0:46:11.320 --> 0:46:13.640 understand I'm the male guy, so I might be on. 0:46:13.680 --> 0:46:16.720 The furthest Yeah, yeah, of that, but. 0:46:17.040 --> 0:46:19.560 I'd say that's always a welcome part, Mike. 0:46:19.600 --> 0:46:22.239 Before I let you go, we'd be remiss if we 0:46:22.239 --> 0:46:27.000 didn't at least ask about Notre Dame Marcus Freeman. You know, 0:46:27.040 --> 0:46:29.319 there's a thousand questions that you can ask about this, 0:46:29.920 --> 0:46:32.080 the circumstances. 0:46:31.440 --> 0:46:32.520 The whole nine yards. 0:46:32.520 --> 0:46:34.759 I mean, it was really kind of a moment for 0:46:34.800 --> 0:46:37.600 people who follow Notre Dame football, But I wanted to 0:46:37.640 --> 0:46:40.879 talk to you specifically about the way that Freeman has 0:46:40.920 --> 0:46:44.240 constructed his staff, notably because he brought back an offensive 0:46:44.239 --> 0:46:47.080 line coach for whom I know you have a particular 0:46:47.120 --> 0:46:51.520 amount of admiration. Harry Heistan, How do you feel Freeman 0:46:51.600 --> 0:46:54.480 has done thus far in putting together his new staff. 0:46:55.640 --> 0:46:58.400 What's your level of optimism just based on early returns 0:46:58.400 --> 0:47:00.600 and what you've heard from people inside the program. 0:47:01.520 --> 0:47:06.040 Uh, very high optimism. Like obviously you retained a lot 0:47:06.080 --> 0:47:08.360 of your core identity. You know, I think there was 0:47:08.400 --> 0:47:10.759 a certain faction of college football people that saw the 0:47:10.760 --> 0:47:13.360 Al golden higher and kind of felt away based on 0:47:13.800 --> 0:47:16.080 his head coaching tenure. But like as I you know, 0:47:16.520 --> 0:47:18.279 talked to you know, Chris Canty, who I did a 0:47:18.400 --> 0:47:21.080 radio show with, and Chris Long I've gotten to know, like, 0:47:21.440 --> 0:47:23.480 you know, Chris who played for AL at the beginning 0:47:23.480 --> 0:47:26.040 of his time at Virginia, Like this a really good 0:47:26.080 --> 0:47:28.240 coordinator and a guy who's got a lot of college 0:47:28.280 --> 0:47:31.680 football under his belt, but also has that head coaching 0:47:31.719 --> 0:47:34.120 experience that I think is going to be vital for 0:47:34.280 --> 0:47:36.080 Marcus to be able to draw on at the beginning 0:47:36.200 --> 0:47:38.000 because we saw some of the learning curve in the 0:47:38.000 --> 0:47:40.560 Fiesta Bowl. Brian Pollian, who I thought would have been 0:47:40.560 --> 0:47:42.839 a good candidate for that after his head coaching time 0:47:42.880 --> 0:47:46.800 at Nevada, obviously went with coach Kelly down to LSU. 0:47:47.120 --> 0:47:49.839 So I think having that on the staff because you know, 0:47:50.040 --> 0:47:52.399 Tommy on the other side, is brilliant and it has 0:47:52.440 --> 0:47:55.120 been so much fun to watch the way that he 0:47:55.239 --> 0:47:58.200 is not necessarily grown, because I think a lot of 0:47:58.239 --> 0:48:00.480 this is stuff that like, you know, the people like 0:48:00.560 --> 0:48:03.279 me that were fortunate enough to know him personally in 0:48:03.400 --> 0:48:05.600 the other discipline of my career as a player, where 0:48:05.600 --> 0:48:08.319 I was with Tommy, like you knew, we always knew 0:48:08.320 --> 0:48:10.160 Tommy was going to be that guy, Like as a player, 0:48:10.200 --> 0:48:12.480 that's who he was. But now he's getting the national 0:48:12.520 --> 0:48:15.200 recognition for it, which is cool. But he's still, you know, 0:48:15.280 --> 0:48:18.239 twenty nine to thirty years old, doesn't have head coaching experience, 0:48:18.280 --> 0:48:21.160 so I think that's gonna matter a lot. But yeah, 0:48:21.239 --> 0:48:25.360 can and undersell Harry coming back to coach the offensive 0:48:25.360 --> 0:48:28.600 line like that was the bedrock of what Brian had 0:48:28.600 --> 0:48:31.520 done for the last decade. Harry was a part of 0:48:31.560 --> 0:48:34.040 building that. I mean, he was, he was the reason 0:48:34.120 --> 0:48:36.080 that happened. He was the coach that came on my 0:48:36.120 --> 0:48:38.480 fifth year at Notre Dame in twenty twelve. He's the 0:48:38.480 --> 0:48:42.759 one that produced all those first rounders, and he is 0:48:44.600 --> 0:48:46.839 a proven commodity, like I remember when he got hired. 0:48:46.880 --> 0:48:48.759 He was coming from Tennessee when I was there and 0:48:48.800 --> 0:48:50.759 we all looked at his track records, said, he's put 0:48:50.800 --> 0:48:53.800 pros into the NFL at every one of these spots, 0:48:54.160 --> 0:48:56.480 so we know if it doesn't work, it's not on him, 0:48:56.520 --> 0:48:59.799 it's on us as players. So I think that's going 0:48:59.880 --> 0:49:02.040 to be go a long way and studying this as they, 0:49:02.080 --> 0:49:05.480 you know, try and replace Jack Cone, Kyle Hamilton, try 0:49:05.520 --> 0:49:08.520 and replace the structure that Brian Kelly had there for 0:49:08.560 --> 0:49:11.719 a long time, and it's probably going to, like Notre 0:49:11.840 --> 0:49:14.960 Dame fans, we're not gonna, I doubt be as good 0:49:15.000 --> 0:49:17.760 this year. Like I think there's gonna be legitimate growing 0:49:17.800 --> 0:49:19.719 pains that have to be a part of this process. 0:49:20.040 --> 0:49:22.879 I hope I'm wrong. I'm always the skeptic every year 0:49:22.920 --> 0:49:25.799 because I know how difficult that is every year to 0:49:25.840 --> 0:49:29.040 go through, especially at that program. But I would just 0:49:29.120 --> 0:49:32.520 kind of like in the festival, let's take a beat 0:49:32.560 --> 0:49:36.040 on the massive expectations right out of the gate and 0:49:36.120 --> 0:49:39.080 allow this to develop so that we can get what 0:49:39.120 --> 0:49:41.719 this should be, which is a long term play for 0:49:41.800 --> 0:49:45.040 a young rising star that we managed to retain in 0:49:45.200 --> 0:49:47.759 Marcus Freeman that gets to stay and hopefully be the 0:49:47.760 --> 0:49:50.440 head coach there for a long time as we see him, 0:49:50.480 --> 0:49:53.120 you know, continue to push recruiting and all these things 0:49:53.120 --> 0:49:56.280 that could be the difference from Notre Dame being a CFP, 0:49:56.560 --> 0:49:58.920 you know, someone who becomes eligible, who makes it every 0:49:58.960 --> 0:50:01.920 once in a while, to someone that's actually competitive on 0:50:02.000 --> 0:50:05.040 that stage. And that's been the most encouraging part is 0:50:05.239 --> 0:50:08.239 seeing the inroads that him and the staff that he's 0:50:08.280 --> 0:50:10.719 put together, to go back to the original question, have 0:50:10.920 --> 0:50:13.920 made in the way they've approached recruiting and the results 0:50:13.920 --> 0:50:15.120 they've met it in that so far. 0:50:15.400 --> 0:50:16.560 Have you tailgated before? 0:50:17.600 --> 0:50:20.239 Man? It was so humbling. The first time I went 0:50:20.320 --> 0:50:23.239 back and tailgated a game. I remember I was given 0:50:23.280 --> 0:50:25.680 the Notre Dame game. It was a night game, and 0:50:25.719 --> 0:50:28.600 I went out Pole too, was always where my roommate 0:50:28.640 --> 0:50:30.360 freshman year was on the guys Across team. I was 0:50:30.360 --> 0:50:32.600 super close with those dudes. So I went back and 0:50:32.600 --> 0:50:34.760 I was like, I'm gonna get the poll two experience. Sure, 0:50:35.200 --> 0:50:38.560 And it's like forty five minutes before kickoff and I 0:50:38.640 --> 0:50:41.279 am blasted, and I just looked at one of my 0:50:41.320 --> 0:50:44.320 buddies and I'm like, yeah, I see why you guys 0:50:44.360 --> 0:50:48.680 always left it halftime. Yeah. Yeah, I am exhausted and. 0:50:48.600 --> 0:50:49.960 It's not an endurance bar off. 0:50:50.080 --> 0:50:52.600 Yeah yeah. So no, I've I've been initiated and man 0:50:52.640 --> 0:50:53.440 it's rough. 0:50:53.960 --> 0:50:56.520 You so but you when you travel the country, I 0:50:56.560 --> 0:50:58.839 was fortunate. I've been to a lot of places for 0:50:58.960 --> 0:51:02.840 tailgatingly capturing the culture of college football. Is that something 0:51:02.840 --> 0:51:05.880 you'll be able to experience at all moving forward? But 0:51:06.040 --> 0:51:09.960 you're like, I just had pastelayah in Baton Rouge. I 0:51:10.160 --> 0:51:13.040 just ate a steak sandwich in Lincoln. Will you get 0:51:13.080 --> 0:51:15.520 to I don't know what you doing moving forward? Maybe 0:51:15.560 --> 0:51:17.959 we'll talk about off air. But is that something that 0:51:18.760 --> 0:51:22.400 in this new chapter you're interested in walking around with 0:51:22.480 --> 0:51:25.799 the sandwich board in Tuscaloosa and saying I will eat 0:51:25.840 --> 0:51:28.600 your ribs. That sounds a weird phrasing, but is that 0:51:28.719 --> 0:51:30.120 something that appeals to you? 0:51:30.800 --> 0:51:33.759 Oh, Matt massively because that to me, and again, in 0:51:33.800 --> 0:51:37.400 the way that we cover and sell college football, that's 0:51:37.400 --> 0:51:41.279 something that you've got that very few other American sports have, right, 0:51:41.400 --> 0:51:45.960 is the intimacy and the unique nature of these fans 0:51:46.000 --> 0:51:49.080 and these places. And so yeah, I mean I especially 0:51:49.120 --> 0:51:52.320 this last year where we were still operating with safety 0:51:52.320 --> 0:51:55.439 at the forefront of this and the COVID rules, Like, Man, 0:51:55.600 --> 0:51:57.640 I want to go back to Oxford, Mississippi and eat 0:51:57.680 --> 0:52:00.000 more gas station food. I want to walk through the growth, 0:52:00.200 --> 0:52:02.360 would be able to stop and tailgate. I want to 0:52:02.360 --> 0:52:04.640 go back down to LSU because I did get to 0:52:04.680 --> 0:52:08.239 go down there once and live the tailgate experience there. Right, 0:52:08.719 --> 0:52:11.920 Foxville was awesome before there, before the game, I called 0:52:11.920 --> 0:52:16.080 out there, it's just yes, that would I joking, not 0:52:16.239 --> 0:52:19.560 jokingly offered up to ESPN while I was still employed there. 0:52:19.600 --> 0:52:21.880 I was like, got something for you here, And by 0:52:21.920 --> 0:52:23.719 say offered, I mean I tweeted it at them, and 0:52:23.800 --> 0:52:27.400 of course course crowdsourcing method of this. I wanted to 0:52:27.440 --> 0:52:30.920 go off of Peyton and Elized places and go Mike's places. 0:52:31.040 --> 0:52:33.200 And obviously it's not going to be as good, well 0:52:33.239 --> 0:52:35.400 done or buttoned up as Peyton and Elized places. But 0:52:35.560 --> 0:52:38.680 essentially I wanted to go to a college football uh 0:52:38.920 --> 0:52:43.200 you know town, find one of their prominent usually football lums, 0:52:43.200 --> 0:52:46.680 and then probably a prominent like very online fan al lum, 0:52:47.040 --> 0:52:48.759 and I just want to get kind of drunk with 0:52:48.800 --> 0:52:51.279 them and walk around to the places that matter to 0:52:51.360 --> 0:52:54.320 them because every time someone goes to Notre Dame, they're like, 0:52:54.320 --> 0:52:55.719 all right, where are the places I need to go 0:52:55.800 --> 0:52:58.080 that you go? And there's always a difference there. And 0:52:58.160 --> 0:53:00.680 so I wanted just kind of go and get a 0:53:00.719 --> 0:53:02.600 little bit drunk and eat a lot of food at 0:53:02.640 --> 0:53:05.719 different college football towns and call it Mike's places and 0:53:05.800 --> 0:53:09.480 have someone go hard and put that on some sort 0:53:09.480 --> 0:53:11.920 of internet platform. So, yes, massively appealing. 0:53:12.120 --> 0:53:15.840 I've got a hard lemonade sponsor that I think could 0:53:15.880 --> 0:53:20.919 be interested in that concept. Yeah, so what's on the list? 0:53:20.920 --> 0:53:21.560 What's on the list? 0:53:21.600 --> 0:53:21.759 Now? 0:53:21.800 --> 0:53:24.439 What's on the places you've been, places you recommend people 0:53:24.520 --> 0:53:27.120 go to. We have a sizeable amount of people who say, 0:53:27.120 --> 0:53:28.880 who ask us this question? As well we try to 0:53:28.880 --> 0:53:33.480 give them answers. What's now on your your travel list? 0:53:33.600 --> 0:53:35.920 Specifically for food? 0:53:36.680 --> 0:53:40.680 Specifically for food, I would certainly say getting back down 0:53:40.719 --> 0:53:43.040 to LSU's near the top of the list. That was 0:53:43.440 --> 0:53:47.359 a premiere experience Oxford, just because I didn't get to 0:53:47.600 --> 0:53:51.520 fully live that like town Square experience, didn't get to 0:53:51.600 --> 0:53:54.600 fully live the Grove experience yep, that I had heard 0:53:54.640 --> 0:53:57.800 so much about. I want to get back to Norman. 0:53:58.560 --> 0:54:00.880 A good friend of mine, Gay Bike, was an offensive 0:54:00.880 --> 0:54:04.880 lineman there has sung the praises of more than a 0:54:04.920 --> 0:54:08.480 few establishments around there, particularly a few that are purveyors 0:54:08.480 --> 0:54:10.360 of hot dogs, which I'm a big fan of. Ye, 0:54:10.520 --> 0:54:11.880 So I want to get back to Norman. That was 0:54:11.880 --> 0:54:13.560 a cool place I played in. I didn't get to 0:54:13.560 --> 0:54:18.279 live that tailgate experience. Lincoln, Nebraska would be another one 0:54:18.680 --> 0:54:22.560 definitely very excited about. And I think for me just 0:54:22.960 --> 0:54:25.120 majoring the oh, I'll tell you the other one I 0:54:25.120 --> 0:54:27.160 want to do. And this is part food, part drink 0:54:27.480 --> 0:54:29.480 because I always got to see it when we were 0:54:29.560 --> 0:54:31.520 driving up on the bus, but I never got to 0:54:31.600 --> 0:54:33.680 live it. I think I want to go do the 0:54:33.719 --> 0:54:37.399 breakfast club at Purdue, sure, which i'd imagine is still 0:54:37.440 --> 0:54:39.520 a thing that they're doing. But just seeing a bunch 0:54:39.560 --> 0:54:43.799 of drunk college kids in costumes absolutely just on their 0:54:43.920 --> 0:54:46.080 ass by kickoff and we're playing them at like three 0:54:46.080 --> 0:54:49.759 point thirty seemed like a great time. And listen, West Lafayette, 0:54:50.360 --> 0:54:52.920 it seems like a perfectly nice college town. But they 0:54:53.000 --> 0:54:55.560 seem to do things right there, those sweet leveable engineers. 0:54:56.200 --> 0:54:58.359 Final question, at least for me, I think tis all 0:54:58.400 --> 0:55:01.520 spend and Ty didn't have a good response to this 0:55:01.600 --> 0:55:04.120 because he's just sort of a buy the book nice 0:55:04.160 --> 0:55:08.040 guy who doesn't think like this, do you have any 0:55:08.120 --> 0:55:12.719 boat goals? And I don't mean, I don't mean do 0:55:12.840 --> 0:55:16.279 you have a goal of owning a certain kind of boat? 0:55:16.560 --> 0:55:19.720 But when you picture yourself, if you are a water person, 0:55:19.760 --> 0:55:23.080 if you are a boat person on any level, if 0:55:23.080 --> 0:55:26.040 you're like, the best possible experience does not necessarily have 0:55:26.040 --> 0:55:28.120 to do with college football at all. This is just 0:55:28.160 --> 0:55:32.080 in life. If you were to hit your apex as 0:55:32.080 --> 0:55:35.960 a human on a boat, where would it be? What 0:55:36.040 --> 0:55:38.279 kind of boat would it be? With whom would you 0:55:38.360 --> 0:55:38.880 be boating? 0:55:40.480 --> 0:55:43.440 So? With whom would be easy? It'd probably be like 0:55:45.200 --> 0:55:48.240 probably my family would be involved in that. But for sure, 0:55:48.360 --> 0:55:52.040 in this instance, it would be the guys in my 0:55:52.080 --> 0:55:54.080 group chat that I played with, you know which, like 0:55:54.120 --> 0:55:56.160 a ten year running group chat in my teammates from 0:55:56.200 --> 0:55:59.279 Notre Dame get them. It would be on one of 0:55:59.320 --> 0:56:02.080 those massive yachts. And I only say this this is 0:56:02.160 --> 0:56:04.080 I mean a new dream as of this week. 0:56:04.280 --> 0:56:04.760 I'm ready. 0:56:05.960 --> 0:56:08.440 I want to be in that little Marina area for 0:56:08.480 --> 0:56:09.680 the Monaco Grand Prix. 0:56:10.120 --> 0:56:11.320 That's an amazing answer. 0:56:11.800 --> 0:56:14.440 Just started watching Drive to Survive on plus season one 0:56:14.480 --> 0:56:16.840 on Netflix. I'm started to you know, watch a little 0:56:16.840 --> 0:56:19.560 more Formula one. I just watched the Saudi Gram Prix 0:56:19.560 --> 0:56:21.920 that went on, you know, this past weekend as of 0:56:21.920 --> 0:56:28.000 when we were recording this, but seeing seeing the images 0:56:28.400 --> 0:56:33.080 of that particular race and the way that the maritime 0:56:33.200 --> 0:56:36.040 aspect of that is involved. You know, you saw, you know, 0:56:36.360 --> 0:56:39.000 Daniel Ricardo getting the ball thrown to him from Tom 0:56:39.040 --> 0:56:41.719 Brady off one of those gots there. Like, I'd like 0:56:41.800 --> 0:56:44.120 to live something like that if I'm going to set 0:56:44.120 --> 0:56:44.759 a boat goal. 0:56:45.160 --> 0:56:47.839 That's such a good answer I've talked about, you know, 0:56:48.040 --> 0:56:51.920 just with buddies a Mulfi coast Adriaddick outside of Greece, and. 0:56:51.920 --> 0:56:54.520 For years that for years it used to be did 0:56:54.560 --> 0:56:56.560 you guys ever used to see the trailers for Yacht Week? 0:56:57.120 --> 0:56:58.359 Oh yeah, oh yeah. 0:56:58.400 --> 0:57:01.280 I mean in college when when the Yacht Week trailer 0:57:01.400 --> 0:57:04.400 used to drop, it was like that and Tomorrow World, 0:57:04.520 --> 0:57:07.760 the huge festival in Europe. Now those used to drop 0:57:07.800 --> 0:57:12.040 on YouTube. My entire apartment of guys used to stop 0:57:12.080 --> 0:57:14.719 whatever we were doing and watch that and start to 0:57:14.800 --> 0:57:17.520 plan out the vacation of our dreams and like, up 0:57:17.640 --> 0:57:20.160 until I saw this with the Grand Prix My answer 0:57:20.240 --> 0:57:23.240 probably still would have been Croatian Yacht Week, because it 0:57:23.360 --> 0:57:25.680 just seems like everything boating is supposed to be. 0:57:25.880 --> 0:57:28.120 Well, that's the Succession yacht right at the end of 0:57:28.160 --> 0:57:32.280 season two, that that vibe in general, not what happened 0:57:32.360 --> 0:57:37.360 aboard that specific boat, right, but generally speaking, that you're 0:57:37.400 --> 0:57:39.760 on such a large boat, you're with good people in 0:57:39.800 --> 0:57:41.840 this case, and then you could just pop off to 0:57:42.360 --> 0:57:45.480 Split or Croatia wherever, and you just like, have a 0:57:45.480 --> 0:57:48.240 little food here, enjoy, you know, touring a city that 0:57:48.280 --> 0:57:50.920 you haven't been to, maybe hop in a villa, then 0:57:51.000 --> 0:57:54.160 back on the boat and cruise around some. It seems 0:57:54.160 --> 0:57:56.680 attractive to me. And I couldn't sell tie on having 0:57:56.680 --> 0:58:00.520 boat goals. Why is that tie? No, I'm not averse 0:58:00.560 --> 0:58:03.520 to boat goals. I just didn't know the question was 0:58:03.560 --> 0:58:06.840 coming and he caught me off guard. But see this 0:58:06.920 --> 0:58:09.000 for a week now. I still don't have a good answer. 0:58:09.120 --> 0:58:12.840 But I'm not averse to the boat. I love boats, right, 0:58:12.960 --> 0:58:13.680 I love boats. 0:58:13.840 --> 0:58:18.160 Let's go. This is probably directly correlated to how much 0:58:18.360 --> 0:58:21.160 like of the wealth porn content that you've taken in, 0:58:21.720 --> 0:58:24.440 because you just mentioned, like if you've watched Succession, if 0:58:24.480 --> 0:58:26.520 you were like me, and your formative years of college 0:58:26.560 --> 0:58:29.240 were spent watching Entourage with the guys on the box 0:58:29.320 --> 0:58:31.920 DVD set. And now if you have started to take 0:58:32.000 --> 0:58:34.640 up Formula one, which my god, I mean, you need 0:58:34.760 --> 0:58:37.440 only look at the list of sponsors you're inundated with 0:58:37.520 --> 0:58:40.160 every race. Like, if you're taking in enough of this, 0:58:40.480 --> 0:58:42.520 I've got the source material to draw to give you 0:58:42.520 --> 0:58:43.320 an adequate Yeah. 0:58:43.320 --> 0:58:45.800 I mean, I think the only thing I've really settled on, 0:58:45.920 --> 0:58:48.080 Dan is that the boat I'm on has to have 0:58:48.120 --> 0:58:51.240 at least one helipad, maybe two, of course, and that's 0:58:51.280 --> 0:58:53.320 not because I really want to go up in the helicopter. 0:58:53.480 --> 0:58:56.040 It's just I'm kind of curious as to why they 0:58:56.080 --> 0:58:57.760 have the helipad on the boat to begin with. 0:58:58.000 --> 0:58:58.400 Well, if it. 0:58:58.400 --> 0:59:02.960 Starts sinking, you want also nice safety net. 0:59:03.040 --> 0:59:05.080 But people do forget that element of the helipad. 0:59:05.120 --> 0:59:08.160 I feel, yes, very underrated. Yeah, get there, all right. 0:59:08.280 --> 0:59:10.920 I'm glad that Mike has boat goals that he was 0:59:11.040 --> 0:59:15.160 ready to answer immediately, and Ty, you're still working ears out. 0:59:15.200 --> 0:59:18.080 It's okay. I don't think you're a lost cause. I 0:59:18.160 --> 0:59:22.040 just I want specifics about what you're looking for. Get nautically, 0:59:22.160 --> 0:59:23.040 we'll get there together. 0:59:24.400 --> 0:59:27.280 Speaking of boat goals, all right, has either of this 0:59:27.440 --> 0:59:29.919 been around the conversation of the show below Deck. 0:59:30.760 --> 0:59:31.840 No, I don't watch it. 0:59:31.920 --> 0:59:32.800 I'd watch that. 0:59:33.160 --> 0:59:34.919 I know about it. I've seen clips, but I don't 0:59:34.920 --> 0:59:36.920 watch it consistently. I know it's about you know, the 0:59:36.960 --> 0:59:39.440 staff that's working, you know, the Mediterranean stuff like that. 0:59:39.520 --> 0:59:43.160 Yeah. Yeah, but like just in general for you guys, 0:59:43.200 --> 0:59:45.800 because obviously having boat goals is great, but part of 0:59:45.800 --> 0:59:47.680 it is also, like you know, and it's not to 0:59:47.680 --> 0:59:51.880 say that anything nefarious is happening, but it's just I'm 0:59:51.880 --> 0:59:53.960 probably going to be drunk on this boat having a 0:59:54.000 --> 0:59:56.480 good time dance and look like it would either of 0:59:56.560 --> 0:59:59.120 you guys sign up. If the only way you could 0:59:59.120 --> 1:00:02.320 have your boat goal was to have it filmed and 1:00:02.360 --> 1:00:05.439 then put out on television like this, would you still 1:00:05.480 --> 1:00:06.000 go through it? 1:00:06.080 --> 1:00:06.200 Then? 1:00:06.440 --> 1:00:08.280 Because me, I was like, man, I don't know if 1:00:08.280 --> 1:00:10.720 I'm comfortable being drunk on a boat on camera. I 1:00:10.760 --> 1:00:11.920 don't know if that's my best self. 1:00:12.680 --> 1:00:16.280 Okay, the answer is probably yes, but it's just because 1:00:16.400 --> 1:00:19.480 I can't really handle that much alcohol. So I would 1:00:19.600 --> 1:00:23.400 just sort of be quickly fun and happy and asleep. 1:00:23.880 --> 1:00:24.040 Right. 1:00:24.120 --> 1:00:26.640 That's that's sort of like, well, Dan s napping again 1:00:26.920 --> 1:00:30.720 would be like my character arc on a boat related 1:00:30.800 --> 1:00:32.920 reality show, So I'm okay with that, and I like 1:00:32.960 --> 1:00:34.360 being the center of attention, so I'm good. 1:00:34.400 --> 1:00:37.120 I feel like that would probably be my lane as well. 1:00:37.160 --> 1:00:39.800 I can handle liquor a little bit better than Dan. Yeah, 1:00:40.040 --> 1:00:43.120 but I also have now that reflex where I reflex 1:00:43.200 --> 1:00:46.680 reflex where I just sort of fall asleep anytime anywhere, 1:00:46.720 --> 1:00:48.880 which probably wouldn't play well on TV, but it would 1:00:48.880 --> 1:00:50.320 at least help me attain the boat goals. 1:00:50.360 --> 1:00:53.360 Mike, I guess that's true because in this instance, I'm 1:00:53.400 --> 1:00:55.720 thinking of like college me. We're like, who knows, Like 1:00:55.760 --> 1:00:57.640 I could end up, like you know, torking on a 1:00:57.720 --> 1:01:01.280 table in a short very little clothing or something like that. 1:01:01.720 --> 1:01:04.320 I may not want out there later on, but now 1:01:04.360 --> 1:01:07.640 it's probably just going to be me hammering or doors 1:01:08.120 --> 1:01:10.440 and like you said, passing out on a couch somewhere. 1:01:10.520 --> 1:01:13.400 Yep, Mike, just eight thirty eight potato skins and he's 1:01:13.440 --> 1:01:14.880 asleep standing up. 1:01:15.120 --> 1:01:18.520 I've never seen someone consume deviled eggs with that level 1:01:18.520 --> 1:01:19.440 of free's. 1:01:19.080 --> 1:01:20.800 Asleep on the helipad on the age. 1:01:20.880 --> 1:01:25.680 Yeah, weird how they serve potato skins and meknos All right. 1:01:26.240 --> 1:01:28.600 He's putting them on donuts now, a visionary. 1:01:28.760 --> 1:01:31.120 He just brought his own We bring this thing full 1:01:31.160 --> 1:01:34.120 circle from Mike gold Junior. Mike, before we let you go, 1:01:34.360 --> 1:01:36.680 is there anything you want us to promote for you? 1:01:36.760 --> 1:01:42.400 Yeah? At this point no, unfortunately, like I have to 1:01:42.440 --> 1:01:44.840 wait for you know, the parties involved to do their 1:01:44.880 --> 1:01:47.360 thing with all that. But at Michael of Junior on 1:01:47.360 --> 1:01:50.280 Twitter and Instagram, all those places, I will probably be 1:01:50.400 --> 1:01:53.520 drunk and cooking on Instagram live and waiting to announce 1:01:53.840 --> 1:01:56.440 the upcoming plans for this summer and falling. 1:01:56.680 --> 1:01:58.480 And you're podcasting, aren't you with your family? 1:01:59.400 --> 1:02:00.880 Yes? I have, And you know what, that's a very 1:02:00.880 --> 1:02:02.880 good point I should get in the habit. Yes, sorrying 1:02:02.960 --> 1:02:07.120 Advance the Golic Family Podcast. My mother, super producer extraordinaire, 1:02:07.240 --> 1:02:09.120 would gut me like a fish if she knew that 1:02:09.160 --> 1:02:13.480 I was coming on and not appropriately promoting the podcast 1:02:13.520 --> 1:02:16.080 that has really been her baby and is a great 1:02:16.080 --> 1:02:19.120 showcase for my insane family. So yes, great, Sorry, Advance 1:02:19.160 --> 1:02:22.479 The Golic Family Podcast. Download, subscribe, leave us a rating, 1:02:22.600 --> 1:02:24.280 leave us a review. We will read it on an 1:02:24.280 --> 1:02:27.560 episode upcoming where we will probably as we did before 1:02:27.600 --> 1:02:30.920 coming on here, discuss discuss what happened with Will Smith 1:02:30.920 --> 1:02:33.080 and Chris Rock at the Academy Awards as if it 1:02:33.120 --> 1:02:34.040 happened yesterday. 1:02:34.120 --> 1:02:37.680 All right, well, we appreciate your time. As always, we'll 1:02:37.720 --> 1:02:40.560 make sure we link up that podcast in the notes. 1:02:40.640 --> 1:02:43.160 Best of luck to whatever is next to you with 1:02:43.200 --> 1:02:45.720 whatever is next, and hopefully we can talk again soon. 1:02:45.880 --> 1:02:47.240 Definitely, thanks for having me, fellas. 1:02:47.720 --> 1:02:51.760 Alrighty, there you go, Mike Gullick Junior, go and check 1:02:51.800 --> 1:02:54.440 out the podcast. Make sure you follow him on Twitter. 1:02:55.400 --> 1:02:59.120 He's got boat goals. Of course, he's got boat goals. 1:02:59.240 --> 1:03:02.360 I feel embarrassed at the fact that I was not 1:03:02.480 --> 1:03:05.680 ready when you asked me specifically for my boat goals. 1:03:05.840 --> 1:03:08.120 I did not know the conversation was going to go there. 1:03:08.680 --> 1:03:10.800 Right now that I've recognized this is going to be 1:03:10.800 --> 1:03:13.240 a recurring point of contention between the two of us, 1:03:13.800 --> 1:03:16.440 I'm going to put some hours into the laboratory before 1:03:16.440 --> 1:03:18.240 our next show, and I'm going to come armed with 1:03:18.440 --> 1:03:19.840 a number of boat goals. 1:03:20.120 --> 1:03:22.440 Yeah, so here, all I really want for you is like, 1:03:22.480 --> 1:03:24.400 that's just always a lingering thing in the back of 1:03:24.440 --> 1:03:27.360 my brain that just like if I were to find 1:03:27.360 --> 1:03:30.520 myself in a fortunate situation in which I knew somebody 1:03:30.560 --> 1:03:34.600 with a plane with a boat, with a warehouse that 1:03:34.680 --> 1:03:37.800 I could turn into like a compound for making pizza 1:03:37.840 --> 1:03:40.280 and tennis and an arcade and a movie theater, like 1:03:40.640 --> 1:03:43.160 all of those things were like, I'm just in the way. 1:03:43.280 --> 1:03:45.120 We'll tie it back to college football in the way 1:03:45.160 --> 1:03:47.320 that a lot of like athletic directors and coaches like, 1:03:47.360 --> 1:03:49.200 if I were to get this opportunity, here's who I 1:03:49.240 --> 1:03:51.880 would hire. Here's how my own program would go. If 1:03:51.880 --> 1:03:55.160 I had the opportunity to be on a luxurious boat situation, 1:03:55.880 --> 1:03:57.959 this is how I wanted to all go down where 1:03:57.960 --> 1:04:00.200 I wanted to go down. I wanted to be with 1:04:00.280 --> 1:04:02.680 you know, my my buddy Dave, my buddy Scott, my 1:04:02.760 --> 1:04:05.919 buddy Ty Hills, and brand, my buddy Kevin. Like that's 1:04:06.000 --> 1:04:07.760 who I want. Listen to the house of run By 1:04:07.760 --> 1:04:10.800 the way, that's that in my brain. I'm like, Okay, 1:04:10.920 --> 1:04:13.800 I want a chef on there, grilling right there outside. 1:04:13.920 --> 1:04:15.800 I want all these things. I want to be jumping 1:04:15.800 --> 1:04:18.440 off and doing cannonballs. I want I just I have 1:04:18.520 --> 1:04:20.480 it all. Matt, So I like that you've taken the 1:04:20.520 --> 1:04:22.640 helipad step is what I'm saying. 1:04:22.880 --> 1:04:25.400 Yeah, I mean, I think just as a starting point 1:04:25.800 --> 1:04:29.160 and we can frame out a future discussion around this. 1:04:29.800 --> 1:04:30.200 Mm hmm. 1:04:30.680 --> 1:04:33.480 And I'm not talking about going on a cruise, talking 1:04:33.520 --> 1:04:37.360 about a big, luxurious boat that somebody far richer than 1:04:37.400 --> 1:04:39.680 you and I owns. Of course, you've just been invited 1:04:39.720 --> 1:04:42.040 to because you don't want to own a boat. Everybody 1:04:42.080 --> 1:04:45.080 knows that that that depreciates the same data. 1:04:45.200 --> 1:04:46.919 If you're having a good amount of fun, if it's 1:04:46.920 --> 1:04:49.680 not draining your bank account, I'm sure boat ownership does 1:04:49.720 --> 1:04:50.160 have some plus. 1:04:50.200 --> 1:04:51.840 But if you've got if you need that, employ a 1:04:52.000 --> 1:04:55.480 staff or staves staves baby as it were, to run 1:04:55.520 --> 1:04:57.000 the boat, it's going to drain and bank. 1:04:57.400 --> 1:04:59.280 It's just going of course, of course. But we're talking 1:04:59.280 --> 1:05:01.480 about ridiculou us wealth here, ridiculous. 1:05:02.680 --> 1:05:06.000 I think for me, it starts with the very simple 1:05:06.120 --> 1:05:10.040 possibility of being able to be on the boat. We're 1:05:10.040 --> 1:05:13.240 not too far removed from civilization. Maybe we're in international waters, 1:05:13.440 --> 1:05:14.000 what have you. 1:05:14.400 --> 1:05:14.720 Mm hm. 1:05:15.640 --> 1:05:19.360 But we can just live on the boat. Oh how 1:05:19.400 --> 1:05:22.520 long we can sleep on the boat for a couple 1:05:22.480 --> 1:05:25.880 of nights, I'm talking a year, But like just being 1:05:25.920 --> 1:05:29.640 out there and being able to subsist while living on 1:05:29.680 --> 1:05:33.240 the boat. Yeah, having all of the luxuries of being 1:05:33.240 --> 1:05:33.720 on land. 1:05:33.760 --> 1:05:35.400 But we're on a boat and a big boat. 1:05:35.880 --> 1:05:38.520 Good food, good people, good drinks. 1:05:38.840 --> 1:05:40.200 And we can just stay there. 1:05:40.840 --> 1:05:42.520 Ah, what a dream. 1:05:42.760 --> 1:05:45.160 And we're not trying to circumnavigate the globe. We're not 1:05:46.040 --> 1:05:49.760 going through the the doll drums, right, Like, we're just 1:05:49.840 --> 1:05:53.360 hanging out on the boat. Good weather and we can live. 1:05:53.200 --> 1:05:59.880 There for some abey. Yeah, just be there on the boat. See, yeah, 1:06:00.080 --> 1:06:03.560 I see. My boat goal specifically is to be able 1:06:03.600 --> 1:06:05.240 to and if you're there, and I hope you are 1:06:05.880 --> 1:06:09.440 with my my Western European vacation. Sure is. I want 1:06:09.440 --> 1:06:11.960 to be able to shout out to you from across 1:06:12.040 --> 1:06:16.520 the bow ty. How many langostinas are you good for? Yeah, 1:06:17.000 --> 1:06:18.200 you're good for two grilled light? 1:06:18.440 --> 1:06:18.640 Two? 1:06:18.920 --> 1:06:22.440 What do we call three? Why not? Surge has has them. 1:06:22.680 --> 1:06:25.680 We've got the whole cooler. We're good. That's what I'm 1:06:25.680 --> 1:06:26.120 looking for. 1:06:26.240 --> 1:06:28.360 All right. Well, for the next podcast, we're going to 1:06:28.400 --> 1:06:30.720 talk about what Yeah, what was that word legostino? 1:06:31.200 --> 1:06:32.080 A langostina. 1:06:32.200 --> 1:06:36.840 Yeah, we'll talk about what that is. Hopefully I'll get 1:06:36.880 --> 1:06:37.320 this right. 1:06:38.400 --> 1:06:43.160 A lngostino langostina. It's like a small lobster. I want 1:06:43.160 --> 1:06:47.560 to say. I think it's a crustation of some kind. Yeah, yeah, spiny, 1:06:47.600 --> 1:06:52.400 smaller uh lobster langostino. I'm you know I'm getting this wrong. 1:06:52.440 --> 1:06:55.080 I'm sure, but yeah, can I can I ask? Can 1:06:55.120 --> 1:06:57.120 I offer you one more thing? Because you have mentioned 1:06:57.160 --> 1:06:59.120 for Ballers dot Com, and I think Forballers dot Com 1:06:59.160 --> 1:07:01.040 is an exceptional option to those people who want to 1:07:01.080 --> 1:07:03.160 support the show and what we do here in all 1:07:03.160 --> 1:07:06.200 of our ridiculous boat Coal conversations. Please please please with 1:07:06.320 --> 1:07:11.320 college football mixed in, I think appropriately, So, we have 1:07:11.360 --> 1:07:15.800 a fast food bracket that's been ongoing on our discord, 1:07:16.200 --> 1:07:19.400 only available on Verballer subscribers on verballers dot com a 1:07:19.440 --> 1:07:22.120 discord server. I'm only gonna go through two of the 1:07:22.160 --> 1:07:24.320 matchups that are in the sweet sixteen, but the Alpha 1:07:25.800 --> 1:07:29.120 Coal on the discord put this together, I believe. Are 1:07:29.200 --> 1:07:32.040 you ready for two matchups? Yeah? No fast food dishes. 1:07:32.080 --> 1:07:33.800 As we are in the middle of the NCAA tournament, 1:07:33.800 --> 1:07:36.680 of which I know basically nothing about other than Saint 1:07:36.680 --> 1:07:39.480 Peter's is now no longer. Pea Cocks are out man 1:07:39.720 --> 1:07:42.240 therek Doox are out shout out Jersey City though, right, 1:07:42.360 --> 1:07:46.520 that's right. McDonald's fries is a one seed versus Chipotle 1:07:46.600 --> 1:07:48.680 Burrito bowls as a five seed. 1:07:49.960 --> 1:07:51.400 I mean McDonald's fries. 1:07:51.560 --> 1:07:55.480 It's McDonald's fries. Now, there are a couple down that 1:07:55.960 --> 1:07:58.040 they're not fried in the same beef tallow. I believe 1:07:58.080 --> 1:08:00.760 that they were in the nineties the fall. He said 1:08:00.800 --> 1:08:02.840 tallow tallow, beef tallow. 1:08:03.160 --> 1:08:04.240 Okay, that's another one. 1:08:04.280 --> 1:08:04.640 I'm right. 1:08:04.720 --> 1:08:08.560 I'm rendered beef fat to beat on the front, okay. 1:08:10.440 --> 1:08:14.360 And then they are a thinner fry, which is nice 1:08:14.360 --> 1:08:17.599 for dipping in the McDonald's sized sauces. I'm a sweet 1:08:17.600 --> 1:08:20.320 and sour guy myself when it comes to McDonald's, which 1:08:20.320 --> 1:08:22.200 I don't eat that much, but that's that would be 1:08:22.200 --> 1:08:25.200 my choice. They're gonna cool down pretty quickly. You got 1:08:25.200 --> 1:08:26.920 to jump on them pretty quickly. You got to either 1:08:26.920 --> 1:08:29.040 be very close to home when you're picking up McDonald's 1:08:29.080 --> 1:08:30.559 or you just got to destroy him in the car. 1:08:30.720 --> 1:08:30.960 Well. 1:08:31.040 --> 1:08:33.800 Yeah, But the thing with McDonald's fries and why this 1:08:33.880 --> 1:08:36.400 is one seed and why this is the winner, it's 1:08:36.520 --> 1:08:39.160 like the Nick Saban thing in the SEC. All the 1:08:39.280 --> 1:08:42.760 other competing franchises have changed out their fries trying to 1:08:42.760 --> 1:08:45.680 compete with McDonald's, right, And I don't think any of 1:08:45.720 --> 1:08:48.600 them have ever gotten any better. They've you know, they've improved. 1:08:49.160 --> 1:08:51.479 In some cases. We could argue the merits of that, 1:08:52.280 --> 1:08:54.280 but McDonald's fries are like nicksaban man. 1:08:55.360 --> 1:08:57.479 I think the best thing about a Chipotle burrito bowl 1:08:57.600 --> 1:09:00.439 is the idea of a burrito bowl, rather than Pole's 1:09:00.439 --> 1:09:04.840 own execution. I like some of Chipotle's competitors. There's a 1:09:04.880 --> 1:09:07.559 place that's in New York and Chicago and growing called 1:09:07.600 --> 1:09:11.240 Dos Toros that I really like, But Chipotle is It's 1:09:11.240 --> 1:09:12.559 just never really been my thing. 1:09:12.760 --> 1:09:16.120 Listen. I would also add, if they want to pay 1:09:16.200 --> 1:09:19.720 us to say differently, we're open to that possibility. Not 1:09:19.760 --> 1:09:23.320 a sponsor could be uh no, Chipotle is fine. It's 1:09:23.400 --> 1:09:26.120 just if I have the option of Chipotle or something else, 1:09:26.120 --> 1:09:30.479 that's generally not my choice. The other matter match I the. 1:09:30.439 --> 1:09:34.000 Culver's butter burger, don't know the Wendy's don't know what 1:09:34.040 --> 1:09:37.880 that is. It is a burger from a chain called Culvers. 1:09:38.840 --> 1:09:44.040 That is fine, but they do butter their buns because 1:09:44.240 --> 1:09:48.920 it is a midwestern Ish thing. You some frozen custard. Yeah, 1:09:48.960 --> 1:09:50.760 I've had Culvers and I've had and the other one 1:09:50.800 --> 1:09:52.360 is the Wendy Spicy Chicken sandwich. 1:09:52.840 --> 1:09:57.000 We've had long conversations about the Wendy Spiky, Spiky Spicy 1:09:57.080 --> 1:09:57.879 chickpe sandwich. 1:09:58.000 --> 1:10:00.680 Yeah, this matchup is a no rain if we're talking 1:10:00.720 --> 1:10:03.519 about like the nineteen ninety eight, two thousand and four 1:10:04.120 --> 1:10:07.200 Wendy's Spicy Chicken sandwich. At some point Wendy's went a 1:10:07.240 --> 1:10:09.479 new direction with their spicy chicken sandwich that made it 1:10:09.560 --> 1:10:12.480 extremely pedestrian and forgettable, if not insulting. 1:10:13.080 --> 1:10:15.360 Yeah, I mean the Apex predator if we're going to 1:10:15.400 --> 1:10:19.680 continue using that lingo. Yeah, a spicy chicken sandwiches has 1:10:19.680 --> 1:10:21.120 got to be Chick fil A. 1:10:21.960 --> 1:10:24.679 Yeah, I've had great Chick fil A spicy chicken sandwiches. 1:10:24.680 --> 1:10:26.639 I like the Popeyes, want a good deal. It depends 1:10:26.680 --> 1:10:28.320 on how much of a crunch factor you want in 1:10:28.360 --> 1:10:31.360 your breading. Obviously Popeyes goes heavier with that crunch in 1:10:31.400 --> 1:10:36.080 the breading. Both are terrific. I don't have a Popeyes nearby, 1:10:36.479 --> 1:10:39.760 I don't think so. I've had the Chick fil A 1:10:40.000 --> 1:10:42.720 offering a little bit more. I'm going to go with 1:10:43.040 --> 1:10:49.519 the Culver's Butterburger here. It's merely okay, but I'm just 1:10:49.600 --> 1:10:52.120 so I'm hurt by what Wendy's has done to their 1:10:52.160 --> 1:10:53.920 spicy chicken sandwich that I just can't. 1:10:53.720 --> 1:10:54.240 Get on board. 1:10:54.240 --> 1:10:56.600 This is a personal thing for you. Yeah, this is 1:10:56.600 --> 1:10:59.680 a personal thing. Well, now I got to go and 1:10:59.720 --> 1:11:01.640 look at this bracket a little bit more intently. I 1:11:01.680 --> 1:11:05.160 knew it was to have a chance to study it yet. Yeah, 1:11:05.400 --> 1:11:07.320 perhaps this could be a subject for one of our 1:11:07.360 --> 1:11:11.599 off topic shows that we do on a semi regular 1:11:11.640 --> 1:11:15.240 basis over atverbawlers dot com. Yeah, fast food bracket, I 1:11:15.240 --> 1:11:18.120 think would be wed. Just do a fast food show, 1:11:18.479 --> 1:11:19.360 a fast food show. 1:11:19.680 --> 1:11:23.840 Yeah, okay, oh man, who would we Okay, who would 1:11:23.840 --> 1:11:26.080 be a good guest? A good fast Do you know 1:11:26.120 --> 1:11:30.120 who is a huge fast food person? Do you know 1:11:30.200 --> 1:11:32.280 the name Algeen at all? Does that mean anything to you? 1:11:32.400 --> 1:11:32.719 No? 1:11:32.720 --> 1:11:36.120 No, I believe it's Algene. Maybe I'm getting the wrong producer. 1:11:38.000 --> 1:11:43.880 It is, no, not Algene. Bill Oakley, Simpson's producer Bill Oakley. 1:11:43.920 --> 1:11:47.759 I think writer producer Bill Oakley on Twitter or Instagram 1:11:47.880 --> 1:11:55.600 or something. Does Fastidious reviews of every single released like 1:11:56.320 --> 1:12:00.000 chip candy, fast food, like like if Cheetos releases like 1:12:00.000 --> 1:12:02.640 I got garlic Parmesan Cheeto. This Simpsons writer is like 1:12:02.680 --> 1:12:04.120 I'm on it eight and a half out of ten. 1:12:04.320 --> 1:12:06.040 These are my notes, These are my pluses, these are 1:12:06.040 --> 1:12:09.080 my minuses. I don't know if we can get Bill Oakley, 1:12:09.240 --> 1:12:11.760 but I'm down for a fast food show because I 1:12:11.800 --> 1:12:13.439 do have lots of thoughts. And you get into like 1:12:13.479 --> 1:12:16.519 the regional thing, you get into national hyper local because 1:12:16.560 --> 1:12:19.120 I could build you my my my dream fast food meal, 1:12:19.320 --> 1:12:21.280 but it would involve Tommy's, which is only local to 1:12:21.320 --> 1:12:24.680 I think California. So I'm happy to talk about it. 1:12:24.720 --> 1:12:27.040 Ty, all right, Well, we're gonna why don't we plan 1:12:27.160 --> 1:12:30.360 our next off topic show around that subject of fast food, 1:12:31.000 --> 1:12:33.360 And we're gonna need to lean on you a little 1:12:33.360 --> 1:12:37.519 bit to figure out who the right guest or guests 1:12:37.800 --> 1:12:41.439 are sure to help inform that discussion. But now that 1:12:41.479 --> 1:12:44.080 we've got the bracket, March madness is sort of wrapping 1:12:44.160 --> 1:12:47.519 up here, just a couple of days left in the month, yep. 1:12:48.000 --> 1:12:51.080 We need to make sure that we treat ourselves here, 1:12:51.240 --> 1:12:53.439 presumably as we get into the month of April, and 1:12:53.479 --> 1:12:56.360 talk about something that we know is of interest. All right, 1:12:56.600 --> 1:12:59.639 I agree, all right, again, big thanks to our guest 1:12:59.680 --> 1:13:03.840 of for all his time, always generous with it, Michael Junior. 1:13:03.880 --> 1:13:06.120 We wish him well with whatever comes next. Don't forget 1:13:06.160 --> 1:13:09.000 to listen to that podcast. As I said during the interview, 1:13:09.000 --> 1:13:11.679 we'll make sure we put the notes, put the link 1:13:12.160 --> 1:13:15.280 to his show in the notes. Don't forget to subscribe. 1:13:15.520 --> 1:13:17.679 Don't forget to go on out to solid giveaway dot 1:13:17.720 --> 1:13:19.800 com if you're interested in winning that mini helmet we 1:13:19.880 --> 1:13:22.680 discussed earlier, and last but not least for ballers dot 1:13:22.720 --> 1:13:25.320 com if you want to get in on the Patreon, 1:13:25.400 --> 1:13:28.880 the discord, and of course the eventual discussion about fast 1:13:28.880 --> 1:13:32.000 food rapids. A great for that guy Oup there, my 1:13:32.040 --> 1:13:34.439 good friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself Tie Hilding a brand. 1:13:34.680 --> 1:13:37.000 We will catch you all on Thursday. In the meantime, 1:13:37.040 --> 1:13:38.599 stay soft, peace,