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Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 1: Woo? Woof and Dan and tie.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the solid Verbo boys and girls. My

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Speaker 3: there as always still the incomparable.

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Speaker 2: Sounding a little bit healthier to Dani Psteine, sir, how

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Speaker 2: are you? I am feeling better. I'm especially excited about

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Speaker 2: today's interview because it's a gentleman with whom we have

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Speaker 2: not spoken in quite some time. But I got in

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Speaker 2: a lot of tennis real early this morning, six thirty

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Speaker 2: am starts. It's another beautiful, beautiful spring day, Illinois, the Midwest.

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Speaker 2: It's always Did I make that specifically for this intro?

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Speaker 2: I may have, Yes, I may have indeed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So other than the cold, life is good. Can't complain.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna bake some pizzas today and tomorrow probably I

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Speaker 2: got I'm trying out an outdoor oven.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure I like it yet. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: but no if I get my three p's in what

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Speaker 3: We would very much appreciate that. As Dan mentioned, our

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Speaker 3: guest of honor today, Mike Goulig Junior, formerly a ESPN

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Speaker 3: now former Notre Dame player. We had Mike on Gosh,

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Speaker 3: I can't even tell you how many times we've had

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Speaker 3: at one point I interviewed him to talk about Notre Dame.

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Speaker 3: I think it was a solo thing, certainly through the pandemic.

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Speaker 1: A local Connecticut zoning laws, the rotating cast of monthly

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Speaker 2: any of these teams. Is there something that like beneath

437
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Speaker 2: everybody else that's been grant and that's been sort of

438
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Speaker 2: getting you excited.

439
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Speaker 1: Well, I think in general, I could say that feeling

440
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,800
Speaker 1: for me that was fed while I was still working

441
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Speaker 1: at ESPN, but two years ago during the pandemic, when

442
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 1: I got to do Thursday night games that at that

443
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 1: point were largely group of five. You know, we're living

444
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:48,199
Speaker 1: in the mac and the Sun Belt and getting to

445
00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:50,240
Speaker 1: see a lot more of those teams up close, because,

446
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,959
Speaker 1: as you guys know, calling games like you're dealing with

447
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 1: a level of intimacy with the product that you don't

448
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,159
Speaker 1: get doing talk radio or doing our Twitter shows, and

449
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,320
Speaker 1: so that was all is fun for me to kind

450
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 1: of then meet like I took so much pride in

451
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 1: getting to call Buffalo games, and then that later that spring,

452
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 1: walk into the draft and be like, I can't believe

453
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 1: no one took a shot on Jared Patterson. He's going

454
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,120
Speaker 1: to wind up making some team better, only to watch

455
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,919
Speaker 1: him end up making the Washington football team roster. Like

456
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 1: those things were always super endearing, and so now like

457
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 1: heading into the twenty twenty two season, because of where

458
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 1: I left the end of last season and because I

459
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,439
Speaker 1: got to deal with them a little bit like a

460
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:33,400
Speaker 1: couple of times really watching Shane Beemer, South Carolina product,

461
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 1: and what that's going to morph into the guy who

462
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 1: became sort of college footballs Ted Lasso, who pulled off

463
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,679
Speaker 1: one of I think this like we're going to have

464
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 1: to in retrospect talk about a lot more because I

465
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,359
Speaker 1: just recently saw an article about it, the level of

466
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:52,640
Speaker 1: secrecy that went into DK Joyner playing quarterback in that hole.

467
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,879
Speaker 1: Yeah for South Carolina where no one, I mean they

468
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,640
Speaker 1: wouldn't even let him warm up in pregame for that

469
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 1: one and get any sort of touches, and like what

470
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 1: went into that from a strategic standpoint to go out

471
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Speaker 1: and win. You know, the the border war in the

472
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,879
Speaker 1: Duke's Mayo Bowl was incredible. But now it's become this

473
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 1: launching point where there are more added eyes on this

474
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,880
Speaker 1: South Carolina program where all right, we've got them, We've

475
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 1: got Mississippi State, We've got you know, Josh Hipels Tennessee

476
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 1: that really took off one tended hooker got under center

477
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Speaker 1: last year. You've got a lot of those like mid

478
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 1: tier programs in a number of conferences that have come

479
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 1: up in that way. But like you're right getting to

480
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 1: enjoy stuff like that, getting to read, you know, and

481
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,399
Speaker 1: try and look into more of what's going to happen

482
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Speaker 1: with Pitt Now that you know, you've got Whipple that's

483
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 1: gone down in Nebraska that you're you know, in the

484
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 1: post Kenny Pickett, they just extended, you know, their coach

485
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Speaker 1: till twenty thirty, So all all of those things. You're right,

486
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Speaker 1: I probably have a little more time to consume now,

487
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,880
Speaker 1: but those were things that were getting fed I think

488
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Speaker 1: in large part because I was calling games more consistently.

489
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Speaker 2: One of the things that we've talked about that I'm

490
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Speaker 2: curious what your opinion is or I guess it's more

491
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Speaker 2: of a I don't know if it's a trend, but

492
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,880
Speaker 2: it could be something worth following is the way coaches

493
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 2: are reacting to the realities of twenty twenty two and beyond.

494
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 2: And we have some older, grizzled guys, and whether it's

495
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 2: recruiting who are like good coaches but like not putting

496
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 2: the emphasis like what we've heard about Dan Mullin at Florida,

497
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 2: like great offensive mind, disappointing results on the recruiting trail.

498
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,959
Speaker 2: Future didn't look bright. A change was needed, right and

499
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 2: the locker room was lost. So there's like this culture

500
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 2: recruiting guy versus like these grizzled old older coaches guy.

501
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Speaker 2: Like there was the example, I think Chris Peterson was like,

502
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 2: who's smarter than Chris Peterson? Who's a better coach? An

503
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 2: offensive coach than Chris Peterson is a head coach? And

504
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 2: by the end of his tenure he was like, I

505
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 2: don't like the portal. I don't like where recruiting is going.

506
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 2: I'm gonna call you know, games and I'm gonna do

507
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 2: TV for Fox. That's I want to be a receivers

508
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 2: coach at UC Davis. That's like one of the things

509
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 2: he told Bruce Felman. I don't want to call it

510
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 2: a talent drain, but do you see this heading in

511
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 2: a dramatic coaching talent shift to those who are willing

512
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 2: to accept realities and not willing to accept realities?

513
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Speaker 1: Oh? I absolutely think so. Because the one thing in

514
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Speaker 1: all of this, as much as I'm going to skew

515
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: pro player and as much as what I say is

516
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 1: always couch with your well paid so do it, is

517
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: the understanding that the workload for coaches just went up

518
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: a number fold, right from having to you know, make

519
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: sure and they say recruit your own players. To me,

520
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 1: it's always you've just got to keep the promises a

521
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: lot more consistently than a lot of people probably have

522
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: in the past, because that's always a part of this

523
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 1: is where if you're being consistent in your message, the

524
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Speaker 1: way it's applied, and the way that you build those relationships,

525
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty easy. Matt Brown was really insightful

526
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 1: talking to him in the lead up for that Bowl

527
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: game about the portal, which is, if we're doing our

528
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,479
Speaker 1: job the right way, players will want to stay. And

529
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,400
Speaker 1: if players want to leave, then the promises we made

530
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 1: to them and their families in their living room where

531
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:58,959
Speaker 1: we were going to do right by them, And so

532
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 1: he goes. We have all always tried to help whoever

533
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: wants to leave wind up in that next spot, but

534
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: it's still extra work. And so I think it'll be

535
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: interesting if it makes the general coaching pool even younger

536
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 1: than it had already been trending. Right we'd seen college

537
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: and pro this tendency towards young, especially offensive minded coordinators

538
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 1: getting a lot of these head jobs, and now you

539
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 1: wonder if just because of the physical demand, you know,

540
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 1: we'd notre name Marcus Freeman, him saying I'm going to

541
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: be involved in every one of these recruiting pitches. I'm

542
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: going to be in every kid's phone book and living

543
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: room and just watching that world tour he went on

544
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: the jet after he got signed, you know, leading up

545
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 1: to the Fiesta Bal. I don't know if that's something that,

546
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: like physically, people can really hold on to for all

547
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 1: that long. And so you wonder if all of that

548
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 1: does skew younger because I wouldn't blame a lot of

549
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: these guys who have been around. Hell, even Dabo Sweeney

550
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: when we talked to him during the season, he was

551
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Speaker 1: one that was criticized for not necessarily being as involved

552
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 1: in the portal. They had a bunch of guys leave,

553
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 1: not a lot of guys come in. And he really

554
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: hugs tight that mantra of we believe we build guys

555
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: here through our culture. That still, even though we recruit

556
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 1: at a high level now, our foundation is player development.

557
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,199
Speaker 1: All of these things you've seen Dabbo resistant to some

558
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 1: of the change in college football for a while. But

559
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 1: you a wonder if there are others like him who

560
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 1: are certainly less successful, who just say, yeah, you know what,

561
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: I've made enough money. I can go do something else

562
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: and leave this to people who might be more willing

563
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 1: to on the upward trajectory of their career absorb all

564
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: this new workflow.

565
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 2: You've been around players for a good amount of time now,

566
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Speaker 2: dating back to when you played calling games, being around

567
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 2: interviewing players, talking with players before games you call. Has

568
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 2: there been a change at all in what you get from?

569
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 2: And look, it's very easy to say like kids these

570
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 2: days whatever, but like, I don't know eighteen year olds

571
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 2: or eighteen year olds on a certain level, but they

572
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 2: are faced with demands that TI didn't have to face

573
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 2: when he was in college in the seventies. I didn't

574
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 2: have to face, you know, as a non player obviously

575
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 2: that you didn't have to face being recruited. And you know, whatever,

576
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 2: two thousand and nine does. Does anything unique strike you

577
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 2: about this current generation of players in terms of savviness,

578
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 2: in terms of personality, in terms like is there anything

579
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,199
Speaker 2: unique to where we are right now in terms of

580
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 2: this generation of players?

581
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Speaker 1: I'd say, in general, like the meat of the bell

582
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: curve is pretty similar, right, because so much of what

583
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: we deal with is on the extremes in the media,

584
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: and the meat of the Bell curve is honestly guys

585
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: like me, Guys that wait three four years to get

586
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 1: their chance to hopefully start a handful of games, to

587
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 1: live out this dream of doing what they want to

588
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: do and have the potential to change their family's life,

589
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: whether it's through the education they receive or the potential

590
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: for NFL dollars, and like all that stuff's they are

591
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: all like the normal silly stuff that comes along with

592
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: being eighteen to twenty two is there. But I think

593
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: the one part that's been striking to me in a

594
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: number of ways is how quick these guys have had

595
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: to grow up through recruiting. Yep, Like we knew going

596
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: back to when Lane offered you know whoever it was

597
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: back in seventh grade. Like life kind of changed then

598
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,959
Speaker 1: with how quickly the eyeballs were on you. And I

599
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: just remember when I was getting recruited, we were at

600
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: the beginning of like those Nike Spark training things where

601
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: they'd go through and rank guys on the other side

602
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: of and it was starting to become that recruiting circuit

603
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: was vital to your opportunity to go and receive a scholarship.

604
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: Before I committed to Notre Dame. I was scheduled to

605
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: go to like five different junior days that next month.

606
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: You're going to hit the camp circuit that summer heading

607
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: into senior year. Now, if you're not doing that as

608
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: a freshman sophomore, if you're not involved in you know,

609
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: elead eleven for quarterbacks, the seven on seven tournaments that

610
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: have proliferated the sport. How those and the coaches involved

611
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: in those have become a part of this recruiting process

612
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: has already changed the way that players have to approach

613
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: this decision, being more professional about it early on. Now

614
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: you throw nil in on top of that, where the

615
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: worry for always me, always for me, and I've seen

616
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: born out in some of the reporting around this is

617
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,959
Speaker 1: you're going to get sixteen seventeen year olds that are

618
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: approached with contracts that in some cases are bad, that

619
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: are predatory, that are taking advantage of their rights at

620
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: a time where they're seeing dollar amounts they could never

621
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: have dreamed of, and they don't yet have at their

622
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: disposal legal counsel people that can read over these contracts

623
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 1: and help them, and so in a lot of ways,

624
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: they've already had to grow up fast, and now we're

625
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: about to watch that even hit hyper drive for the

626
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,479
Speaker 1: upper crust of the sport. You know, we're sitting around

627
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: all debating the nil money that's coming arch Manning's way.

628
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,719
Speaker 1: Thank God, he has got an entire family lineage of

629
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: people that are going to be able to take care

630
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: of him. That's not going to be the same for everybody,

631
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: and that's not just football, and so I think for

632
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,239
Speaker 1: that you don't get to figure it out slowly or

633
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: make mistakes early on anymore. The stakes have been raised

634
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: too high for a lot of these players.

635
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was going to say, Mike, the combo play

636
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 3: of nil becoming more prevalent with the transfer rules changing,

637
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 3: has certainly given players a lot more authority than they had,

638
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 3: you know when you played, even a couple of years ago,

639
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 3: when guys were playing. I mean, it's just a totally

640
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 3: different universe now, you know. And we see it on

641
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 3: our end running a podcast, sort of these dual universes

642
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 3: between people who are out there huge college football fans

643
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 3: and want to give players a little bit more of

644
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 3: their own power versus just the pure fan in all

645
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 3: of us that, as Dan said earlier, might be a

646
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 3: little bit bummed out that the sport is changing so rapidly.

647
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 3: Where do you kind of fall in that spectrum? I

648
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 3: know you said earlier you're pro player, but how do

649
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 3: you just sort of digest all of this change and

650
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 3: the speed at which the sport is changing?

651
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: New is always hard because we're creatures of habit, especially

652
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,959
Speaker 1: when it comes to sport. I'd say this, and this

653
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: doesn't apply to a lot of people, and you guys

654
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: mentioned sometimes it's hard to digest and keep track of

655
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: as a fan to feel like the sports for you.

656
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: I have always had like a very like uncomfortable suspicion.

657
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: And this is you know, probably grounded in dealing with

658
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: some of the lowest common denominator that you have this

659
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: conversation with, whether it's colors into sports talk show or

660
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: some of the worst you see on Twitter, or even

661
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: what you've heard on the sidelines of games like I

662
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: have a distinct memory when I was in an NFL

663
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: preseason game of being on the sideline with our offensive

664
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: line and hearing a fan yelling something and a couple

665
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: of the guys in the O line, you know, Marky's

666
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: pouncy Ramon Foster, and you hear this fan just start

667
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: to go back to the tried and true line of well,

668
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: I pay your salary, so shut the bleep up and

669
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: go do that thing. There was always a part of

670
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: me that felt like there was too large a section

671
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: of college football fans that loved the sport because they

672
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: knew they had more in one regard than the people

673
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: playing it. Meaning you look out at millionaires you can't

674
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: relate to in the NFL and feel like, all right,

675
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: these highly paid guys I can say X y or

676
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: there was a power dynamic in college that made me

677
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: uncomfortable for a while because it felt like too many

678
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: people enjoyed that. This notion that, oh, the game's more

679
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: pure here because the players aren't played felt like a

680
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: cop out for some feelings. They're a little more complicated

681
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: to digest, and so I like that. We're getting away

682
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: from some of that. New is going to be It's

683
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: like an iPhone update, Right, We'll get used to it eventually,

684
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: and it won't always be this extreme. The pendulum swings

685
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: pretty hard, the portal's going to level out at some point. Right,

686
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: all of this we're gonna get just through sheer volume

687
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: of reps. Better at talking about it. Players are going

688
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: to get better at being more judicious about this because,

689
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: and I think it might have been Bud Elliott that

690
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: I saw talk about this to give him credit again,

691
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: was you're gonna see enough cautionary tales you're going to

692
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: see if you're a player, like word of mouth still

693
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: always the biggest part of all this, right for a

694
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: player when you're getting recruited, nothing sells a team more

695
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: than when you go on to visit. What the dudes

696
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: in the locker room tell you there when you're really

697
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: hanging out with them away from the facility. Thing is

698
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: going to tell you more about that as a player

699
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: potentially wanting to transfer, and nothing is going to show

700
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: you more how you need to move in all these

701
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 1: new spaces now that you have more agency than having

702
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: a dude from your high school who jumped into the

703
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: transfer portal and ended up down at the SCS level.

704
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:19,280
Speaker 1: Not that there's anything wrong with that, but seeing consequences

705
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: for people you know, or people you can talk to,

706
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: or enough people to where it's in the back of

707
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: your mind as you make these decisions that I think

708
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: is going to take care of a lot of this.

709
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: In addition to us just getting used to you know

710
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 1: the quote unquote new normal that we always talk about,

711
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: which has its growing pains, and that's kind of where

712
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: we're at right now.

713
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 3: Let me switch gears here for a second, if I could.

714
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 3: You are unique in the sense that you've had a

715
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 3: chance to work across many different college football mediums, not

716
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,479
Speaker 3: the least of which was as a player, which will

717
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 3: consider it.

718
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 2: I like the word disciplines, by the way, has worked

719
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 2: across many different disciplines.

720
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 3: And we'll consider being a player one of those. Maybe

721
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 3: not part of this question. Whether it's radio, mic, whether

722
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,760
Speaker 3: it's TV, whether it's calling games. You're doing this podcast.

723
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 3: I know you've done other podcasts as well. Do you

724
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 3: have a preferred medium now that you've had a chance

725
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 3: to sample so many different ways of getting your voice out.

726
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: Calling games is so much fun, man, Yeah, nice, it's

727
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: It was the thing I fought the hardest for at

728
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: ESPN because coming in I was, you know, starting off

729
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: doing weekend radio and kind of having to slowly build everything,

730
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 1: and you know where ESPN Digital was a huge way

731
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: for like me and Jason Fitz and a number of

732
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: others to get our voices out in the college football space.

733
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: But I was always like man, I got to call

734
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: a couple of radio games early on, like my second

735
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: third year there, you know, I started doing you know,

736
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,439
Speaker 1: I was what was referred to as the X crew,

737
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: where I was just sort of a floater. If you

738
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 1: had a game, I was with a different producer almost

739
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: every time, a different play by play almost every time.

740
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:56,280
Speaker 1: But getting to do that more consistently in the last

741
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: two years especially, you know, preparation wise, it is the

742
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 1: most similar to getting ready to play a game as

743
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: a player. You get to watch a ton of tape,

744
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: you get to talk to players and coaches, you have

745
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: access and insight, and you get to zero in and

746
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: sort of be an expert on one thing for a week.

747
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: Because as a generalist, like I was on radio so

748
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 1: much and you know, for a lot of the digital

749
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 1: work I did, you kind of miss that feeling of

750
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: knowing one thing with a depth that other people don't have,

751
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: And so calling a game's a cool part of that

752
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: is getting to feel like you know something intimately enough

753
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: to offer an insight that's actually helpful. Right Like my

754
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: job as an analyst was to teach, was to watch

755
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,280
Speaker 1: the game through my eyes with an audience and hopefully

756
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: give people something that they didn't know going into it,

757
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: make them laugh, whatever it is, but just how living

758
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: and breathing that was being around stadiums, getting as close

759
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: to the people, the players and the coach is still

760
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: involved in that. I lived that existence. I know what

761
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: goes into it, and we all get removed enough to

762
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: at times treat the people involved like they're just characters

763
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: on a board. Getting that close as always my reminder,

764
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: these are people. They're dealing with a lot more than

765
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: most of us realize on the outside. And so can

766
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: I tell the story of those teams involved, the players

767
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: and coaches with a sort of empathy to that that

768
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: maybe just you know, makes us all pull back for

769
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: a second ago, Oh, that's right. That's a nineteen year

770
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: old kid who may have just lost a loved one

771
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: at home, who's trying to get through finals, who had

772
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: an off week last week, while dealing with all the

773
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: things that come with a normal college football season.

774
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 2: I'm curious about the conversations you've had with coaches pregame

775
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 2: in that capacity, just because we've had a number of

776
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 2: head coaches on and they're fine. Obviously head coaches, you

777
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 2: know they're going to stick to a talking point or

778
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 2: seven or whatever, and we have them on less and

779
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 2: less because it just isn't always the most insightful thing.

780
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 2: What percentage of coaches, coordinators, whoever that you'll talk to

781
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 2: before a game are interestingly candid and honest and helpful,

782
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 2: And I know it's in their interest to be that

783
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 2: way because you can now give further context like, oh,

784
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 2: this guy's been beat up, so that's why the secondary

785
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 2: is struggling. Whatever. And have you ever walked out of

786
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 2: one of those interview rooms where a coach was like,

787
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 2: you know, if we take care of business doing X,

788
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 2: Y and Z, I think we've got a good shot,

789
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 2: And you yourself have thought the eugh is that guy

790
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 2: talking about they're about to get destroyed? What are you

791
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 2: talking about? Does that kind of thing happen?

792
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, that that happens a lot because and again

793
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: like I have, like I always you know again, selfish,

794
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: I'm selfish, and I make everything about me because it's.

795
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 2: The easiest through.

796
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I always think about it, like going in

797
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: the amount of times I got asked after that game

798
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: against Alabama, well, do you guys really think that you

799
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: were gonna win? My answer is always absolutely, Like what

800
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: you think we just walked into the we're gonna roll

801
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 1: over Like no, we were the number one ranked team

802
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,720
Speaker 1: in the country. We thought we were gonna win that game.

803
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: I can understand as an outsider how it looks insane,

804
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: but like when your boots on the ground doing the

805
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 1: work every day, and especially when you enjoy any level

806
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: of success or see the results from that, you're gonna

807
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: wear that as a player. And so I understand as

808
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: a player as a coach dealing intimately with that, how

809
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: your jobs to go and win these games and you're

810
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 1: part of that is I mean, we see plenty of

811
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: coaches do those Miagi tactics. Even Nick Saban gets the

812
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: chip on his shoulder for his guys. Your jobs to

813
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,760
Speaker 1: make everyone believe that that's possible, and sometimes that starts

814
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: with making yourself believe it, even if it might not

815
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: come naturally. So yeah, that's definitely happened plenty of times.

816
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: But as far as how many are actually helpful, I

817
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: think it's interesting. So there's a ton of factors that

818
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,720
Speaker 1: have gone into that, most notably in the last couple

819
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: of years, a lot of the meetings pivoting to Zoom

820
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 1: because of the pandemic has made that sure. I think

821
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,919
Speaker 1: coaches are inherently distrustful of technology, and when you get

822
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: them in that setting, it feels more formal than when

823
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: we go in the past be there in person and

824
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: you're sitting in a room. There's not a microphone and

825
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: phone on, no one's got a camera out. Some of

826
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: these guys, especially when you're a former player, kind of

827
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: know and at this point, now I've been doing this

828
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: long enough to work like I kind of have you

829
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: know coaches that were you know, listening to me when

830
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 1: I was on morning drive for a little bit or

831
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: just you know, there's some familiarity, so they'll loosen up

832
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 1: a little bit and they'll give you stuff, especially once

833
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: you proved them and you had them a couple of

834
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: times and you've proved you won't burn them on the

835
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: other side, right, Like I had a coach once an

836
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator for a team, and this is a lot

837
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: more common, I'd say for teams in the Group of five,

838
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 1: smaller Power five teams, ones that are not yet established,

839
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: like George Alabama, Clemson, they don't have to give us

840
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: stuff like everyone knows them. They don't need your help

841
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: as much in selling the program. Some of these smaller schools,

842
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: and I had one group of five school the offensive

843
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: coordinator legit brought us into the meeting room and played

844
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: us their Friday practice tape that they were going to

845
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 1: show the players, including the plays that they were stealing

846
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: from another like not stealing, but like the plays that

847
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: they were implementing that another team had run against that

848
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 1: common opponent. Showing us there like the same Friday practice

849
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: cutups I would have watched as a player. He took

850
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: us into the meeting room, took us through all all that,

851
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 1: walked us through their thought process. I mean there's some coaches.

852
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: I mean they'll give you, hey, this yard marker is

853
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 1: this hash? We've got extrick play dialed up if you

854
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: guys want to be ready for that. And they understand

855
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: because they're trying to make sure the story of their

856
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: program is told in that way. So yeah, you get

857
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: plenty of that, you know, especially you get closer to

858
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: game time stuff like you know what guys are injured,

859
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: you know what they're seeing in pre game, you know

860
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: trends they've seen leading up to it. Like that's the

861
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: fun part too, is kind of taking the temperature in

862
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 1: talking to a coach, you know, storyline wife what they've

863
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: dealt with for the last few weeks, and getting a

864
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 1: very real sentiment I have a very distinct memory of,

865
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: and I know I'm not betraying a trust here, but

866
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: I called Jamie Chadwell and Coastal Carolina's first upset of Kansas.

867
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 1: I was on the road. It was like an ESPN

868
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,760
Speaker 1: plus Big twelve now game, and it was Coastal coming

869
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: off of being displaced by the hurricane, right where they

870
00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: have been practicing in a number of different places leading

871
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: up to it, and they beat Kansas, and that was

872
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: sort of where Coastal started its rise to where we've

873
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 1: seen them in recent years. But just getting to talk

874
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: to them candidly about like, hey, these guys have been

875
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 1: living out of hotels for the last few weeks. Tulane

876
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: leading up to the Old Miss game this year, where

877
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: they had been in a similar situation, was really informative

878
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 1: of just getting like the intimate details of what life's

879
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: been like for almost an entire athletic department, in Tulane's case,

880
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: living out of a hotel. All that stuff really can

881
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: inform again to try and humanize when things happen in

882
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: a game. It's all right man like Tulane had heavy

883
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: legs going against one of the best offenses in college

884
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: football and Lane Kiffen's old miss They're also at the

885
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: tail end of dealing with something that most people will

886
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: never have to fathom in their lifetime, and so all

887
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 1: of a sudden that stuff helps them becomes more understandable.

888
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'd say assistance. The smaller the school, and

889
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: now the further along. You know, That's why being on

890
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: site and getting these relationships are important, because then you

891
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: get a few reps with each of these guys in

892
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: the comfort level starts to grow.

893
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 2: You might be a little bit more candid about this. Now,

894
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: who do I talk to to fix ESPN's score bug?

895
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 2: Who do I talk to the big fat score belt

896
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 2: atop the bottom line that takes up eighteen percent of

897
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 2: my beautiful four K screen? And I know certain sports

898
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,399
Speaker 2: have deals where like you can't show the bottom line

899
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 2: like the Masters, it has to be like the nice, minimalist,

900
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 2: beautiful score bug. Who do we call? Do we email?

901
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 2: Do we petition? What do we do here? Because I

902
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 2: want to see some field, I want to see some safeties.

903
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,720
Speaker 2: I want to see everything, well.

904
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: Like obviously like leafitting would probably be a good place

905
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: to go on there. Sure, sure we know the bizarre

906
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: of all things college football at ESPN, but I'd say, like, honestly,

907
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: like a staunch Twitter campaign might work like less. Do

908
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: we not forget how quickly ESPN's Monday Night football score

909
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: bug changed when they had that lime action green in

910
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: it that was being mistaken for flags constantly.

911
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 2: We have that still, we have that still in college

912
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 2: we have the yellow.

913
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, in college we have the yellow. But remember the

914
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: reaction was so strong in time they changed it mid broadcasts.

915
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: So that still seems like the best recourse is to

916
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: publicly shame someone on Twitter. And I'm certainly not campaigning

917
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: for anyone to spam my former employer. No, no, no, it's

918
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: on great terms. I love them dearly. But it seems

919
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 1: like tweeting is still one of the most effective ways

920
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 1: I've tried so far.

921
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 2: Not we only I mean, we don't have like Ashton

922
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 2: Kutch or followers. We've got a thirty thousand something, but man,

923
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 2: it's it's rough. Is there anything like just now? As

924
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 2: a consumer not necessarily about ESPN, You're like, man, I

925
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:43,399
Speaker 2: wish college football on TV were more had more of

926
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 2: this you're always gonna get them complaints about like a

927
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 2: four hour games whatever. But like we've been asked this question,

928
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 2: like if we were in charge of CBS, BSPN or

929
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 2: something like, how would you fix the broadcast experience of

930
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 2: a college football game? Yeah, I mean you're on the spot,

931
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 2: I understand, but yeah, no, Well.

932
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: It's one of those things. Like again, the length has

933
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: always been a part of it. Like I think what

934
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: the NFL did this last year surrounding replay would go

935
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: a long way. Yep, in a lot of that, But

936
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: like I just think in general, doing what some leagues

937
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,919
Speaker 1: and I think the PLL did a really good job

938
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:21,919
Speaker 1: of this of getting under the helmet a little more.

939
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: Premiere Lacrosse League did a lot more of those in

940
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: game interviews, used the unbridled access that they have, And like,

941
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: if you're a ESPN, you basically own the entirety of

942
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: the sport. You are such an intimate partner in college

943
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: football in so many ways that I feel like we

944
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: could get even closer in a way that still. I mean, hell,

945
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: we see it in the spring games every year, where

946
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: you've essentially got Nick Saban and Davos twenty calling the

947
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: games with the crew selling their programs, like the good

948
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: teams will recognize these are all opportunities to market yourself

949
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: even better. And I think now as we broach an

950
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: area in a day and age where players have more

951
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: agency and are more willing to talk and more able

952
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,959
Speaker 1: to because a lot of it's dictated by nil money

953
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 1: and then being paid to, like, we need to know

954
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: them even better and all that. So I'd say that,

955
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,439
Speaker 1: and then just in general, like you know, we also

956
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: have to remember to not take it so seriously. I

957
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: understand I'm the male guy, so I might be on.

958
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,720
Speaker 2: The furthest Yeah, yeah, of that, but.

959
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: I'd say that's always a welcome part, Mike.

960
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 3: Before I let you go, we'd be remiss if we

961
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 3: didn't at least ask about Notre Dame Marcus Freeman. You know,

962
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 3: there's a thousand questions that you can ask about this,

963
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 3: the circumstances.

964
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 2: The whole nine yards.

965
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 3: I mean, it was really kind of a moment for

966
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 3: people who follow Notre Dame football, But I wanted to

967
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,879
Speaker 3: talk to you specifically about the way that Freeman has

968
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,240
Speaker 3: constructed his staff, notably because he brought back an offensive

969
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 3: line coach for whom I know you have a particular

970
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 3: amount of admiration. Harry Heistan, How do you feel Freeman

971
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 3: has done thus far in putting together his new staff.

972
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 3: What's your level of optimism just based on early returns

973
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 3: and what you've heard from people inside the program.

974
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: Uh, very high optimism. Like obviously you retained a lot

975
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 1: of your core identity. You know, I think there was

976
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: a certain faction of college football people that saw the

977
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 1: Al golden higher and kind of felt away based on

978
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: his head coaching tenure. But like as I you know,

979
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: talked to you know, Chris Canty, who I did a

980
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: radio show with, and Chris Long I've gotten to know, like,

981
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: you know, Chris who played for AL at the beginning

982
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: of his time at Virginia, Like this a really good

983
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,240
Speaker 1: coordinator and a guy who's got a lot of college

984
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: football under his belt, but also has that head coaching

985
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: experience that I think is going to be vital for

986
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: Marcus to be able to draw on at the beginning

987
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: because we saw some of the learning curve in the

988
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: Fiesta Bowl. Brian Pollian, who I thought would have been

989
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 1: a good candidate for that after his head coaching time

990
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 1: at Nevada, obviously went with coach Kelly down to LSU.

991
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 1: So I think having that on the staff because you know,

992
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 1: Tommy on the other side, is brilliant and it has

993
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: been so much fun to watch the way that he

994
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: is not necessarily grown, because I think a lot of

995
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: this is stuff that like, you know, the people like

996
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: me that were fortunate enough to know him personally in

997
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: the other discipline of my career as a player, where

998
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 1: I was with Tommy, like you knew, we always knew

999
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: Tommy was going to be that guy, Like as a player,

1000
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: that's who he was. But now he's getting the national

1001
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: recognition for it, which is cool. But he's still, you know,

1002
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 1: twenty nine to thirty years old, doesn't have head coaching experience,

1003
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: so I think that's gonna matter a lot. But yeah,

1004
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 1: can and undersell Harry coming back to coach the offensive

1005
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: line like that was the bedrock of what Brian had

1006
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 1: done for the last decade. Harry was a part of

1007
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: building that. I mean, he was, he was the reason

1008
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: that happened. He was the coach that came on my

1009
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: fifth year at Notre Dame in twenty twelve. He's the

1010
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: one that produced all those first rounders, and he is

1011
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 1: a proven commodity, like I remember when he got hired.

1012
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: He was coming from Tennessee when I was there and

1013
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: we all looked at his track records, said, he's put

1014
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 1: pros into the NFL at every one of these spots,

1015
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: so we know if it doesn't work, it's not on him,

1016
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 1: it's on us as players. So I think that's going

1017
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: to be go a long way and studying this as they,

1018
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: you know, try and replace Jack Cone, Kyle Hamilton, try

1019
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: and replace the structure that Brian Kelly had there for

1020
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: a long time, and it's probably going to, like Notre

1021
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: Dame fans, we're not gonna, I doubt be as good

1022
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,760
Speaker 1: this year. Like I think there's gonna be legitimate growing

1023
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: pains that have to be a part of this process.

1024
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,879
Speaker 1: I hope I'm wrong. I'm always the skeptic every year

1025
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 1: because I know how difficult that is every year to

1026
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: go through, especially at that program. But I would just

1027
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: kind of like in the festival, let's take a beat

1028
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: on the massive expectations right out of the gate and

1029
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: allow this to develop so that we can get what

1030
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: this should be, which is a long term play for

1031
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: a young rising star that we managed to retain in

1032
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: Marcus Freeman that gets to stay and hopefully be the

1033
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: head coach there for a long time as we see him,

1034
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: you know, continue to push recruiting and all these things

1035
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,280
Speaker 1: that could be the difference from Notre Dame being a CFP,

1036
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: you know, someone who becomes eligible, who makes it every

1037
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: once in a while, to someone that's actually competitive on

1038
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: that stage. And that's been the most encouraging part is

1039
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: seeing the inroads that him and the staff that he's

1040
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 1: put together, to go back to the original question, have

1041
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: made in the way they've approached recruiting and the results

1042
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: they've met it in that so far.

1043
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 2: Have you tailgated before?

1044
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 1: Man? It was so humbling. The first time I went

1045
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: back and tailgated a game. I remember I was given

1046
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: the Notre Dame game. It was a night game, and

1047
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: I went out Pole too, was always where my roommate

1048
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 1: freshman year was on the guys Across team. I was

1049
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: super close with those dudes. So I went back and

1050
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,760
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna get the poll two experience. Sure,

1051
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: And it's like forty five minutes before kickoff and I

1052
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 1: am blasted, and I just looked at one of my

1053
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,320
Speaker 1: buddies and I'm like, yeah, I see why you guys

1054
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: always left it halftime. Yeah. Yeah, I am exhausted and.

1055
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 2: It's not an endurance bar off.

1056
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. So no, I've I've been initiated and man

1057
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: it's rough.

1058
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 2: You so but you when you travel the country, I

1059
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 2: was fortunate. I've been to a lot of places for

1060
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 2: tailgatingly capturing the culture of college football. Is that something

1061
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 2: you'll be able to experience at all moving forward? But

1062
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 2: you're like, I just had pastelayah in Baton Rouge. I

1063
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 2: just ate a steak sandwich in Lincoln. Will you get

1064
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 2: to I don't know what you doing moving forward? Maybe

1065
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:17,959
Speaker 2: we'll talk about off air. But is that something that

1066
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 2: in this new chapter you're interested in walking around with

1067
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 2: the sandwich board in Tuscaloosa and saying I will eat

1068
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 2: your ribs. That sounds a weird phrasing, but is that

1069
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 2: something that appeals to you?

1070
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 1: Oh, Matt massively because that to me, and again, in

1071
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 1: the way that we cover and sell college football, that's

1072
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: something that you've got that very few other American sports have, right,

1073
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: is the intimacy and the unique nature of these fans

1074
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: and these places. And so yeah, I mean I especially

1075
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 1: this last year where we were still operating with safety

1076
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,439
Speaker 1: at the forefront of this and the COVID rules, Like, Man,

1077
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: I want to go back to Oxford, Mississippi and eat

1078
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: more gas station food. I want to walk through the growth,

1079
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 1: would be able to stop and tailgate. I want to

1080
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: go back down to LSU because I did get to

1081
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 1: go down there once and live the tailgate experience there. Right,

1082
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: Foxville was awesome before there, before the game, I called

1083
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: out there, it's just yes, that would I joking, not

1084
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: jokingly offered up to ESPN while I was still employed there.

1085
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: I was like, got something for you here, And by

1086
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: say offered, I mean I tweeted it at them, and

1087
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 1: of course course crowdsourcing method of this. I wanted to

1088
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: go off of Peyton and Elized places and go Mike's places.

1089
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: And obviously it's not going to be as good, well

1090
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: done or buttoned up as Peyton and Elized places. But

1091
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: essentially I wanted to go to a college football uh

1092
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: you know town, find one of their prominent usually football lums,

1093
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: and then probably a prominent like very online fan al lum,

1094
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 1: and I just want to get kind of drunk with

1095
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 1: them and walk around to the places that matter to

1096
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 1: them because every time someone goes to Notre Dame, they're like,

1097
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 1: all right, where are the places I need to go

1098
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: that you go? And there's always a difference there. And

1099
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: so I wanted just kind of go and get a

1100
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: little bit drunk and eat a lot of food at

1101
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: different college football towns and call it Mike's places and

1102
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: have someone go hard and put that on some sort

1103
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: of internet platform. So, yes, massively appealing.

1104
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 2: I've got a hard lemonade sponsor that I think could

1105
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:20,919
Speaker 2: be interested in that concept. Yeah, so what's on the list?

1106
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 2: What's on the list?

1107
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: Now?

1108
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,439
Speaker 2: What's on the places you've been, places you recommend people

1109
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 2: go to. We have a sizeable amount of people who say,

1110
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 2: who ask us this question? As well we try to

1111
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 2: give them answers. What's now on your your travel list?

1112
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 2: Specifically for food?

1113
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: Specifically for food, I would certainly say getting back down

1114
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: to LSU's near the top of the list. That was

1115
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:47,359
Speaker 1: a premiere experience Oxford, just because I didn't get to

1116
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: fully live that like town Square experience, didn't get to

1117
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 1: fully live the Grove experience yep, that I had heard

1118
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:57,800
Speaker 1: so much about. I want to get back to Norman.

1119
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 1: A good friend of mine, Gay Bike, was an offensive

1120
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 1: lineman there has sung the praises of more than a

1121
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: few establishments around there, particularly a few that are purveyors

1122
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 1: of hot dogs, which I'm a big fan of. Ye,

1123
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 1: So I want to get back to Norman. That was

1124
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: a cool place I played in. I didn't get to

1125
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 1: live that tailgate experience. Lincoln, Nebraska would be another one

1126
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: definitely very excited about. And I think for me just

1127
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: majoring the oh, I'll tell you the other one I

1128
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: want to do. And this is part food, part drink

1129
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: because I always got to see it when we were

1130
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: driving up on the bus, but I never got to

1131
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: live it. I think I want to go do the

1132
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:37,399
Speaker 1: breakfast club at Purdue, sure, which i'd imagine is still

1133
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: a thing that they're doing. But just seeing a bunch

1134
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 1: of drunk college kids in costumes absolutely just on their

1135
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: ass by kickoff and we're playing them at like three

1136
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 1: point thirty seemed like a great time. And listen, West Lafayette,

1137
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: it seems like a perfectly nice college town. But they

1138
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: seem to do things right there, those sweet leveable engineers.

1139
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,359
Speaker 2: Final question, at least for me, I think tis all

1140
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 2: spend and Ty didn't have a good response to this

1141
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 2: because he's just sort of a buy the book nice

1142
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 2: guy who doesn't think like this, do you have any

1143
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 2: boat goals? And I don't mean, I don't mean do

1144
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 2: you have a goal of owning a certain kind of boat?

1145
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:19,720
Speaker 2: But when you picture yourself, if you are a water person,

1146
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 2: if you are a boat person on any level, if

1147
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 2: you're like, the best possible experience does not necessarily have

1148
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 2: to do with college football at all. This is just

1149
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 2: in life. If you were to hit your apex as

1150
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 2: a human on a boat, where would it be? What

1151
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 2: kind of boat would it be? With whom would you

1152
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 2: be boating?

1153
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 1: So? With whom would be easy? It'd probably be like

1154
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,240
Speaker 1: probably my family would be involved in that. But for sure,

1155
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: in this instance, it would be the guys in my

1156
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: group chat that I played with, you know which, like

1157
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: a ten year running group chat in my teammates from

1158
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 1: Notre Dame get them. It would be on one of

1159
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 1: those massive yachts. And I only say this this is

1160
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: I mean a new dream as of this week.

1161
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:04,760
Speaker 2: I'm ready.

1162
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 1: I want to be in that little Marina area for

1163
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 1: the Monaco Grand Prix.

1164
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:11,320
Speaker 2: That's an amazing answer.

1165
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 1: Just started watching Drive to Survive on plus season one

1166
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 1: on Netflix. I'm started to you know, watch a little

1167
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: more Formula one. I just watched the Saudi Gram Prix

1168
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 1: that went on, you know, this past weekend as of

1169
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: when we were recording this, but seeing seeing the images

1170
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: of that particular race and the way that the maritime

1171
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 1: aspect of that is involved. You know, you saw, you know,

1172
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: Daniel Ricardo getting the ball thrown to him from Tom

1173
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 1: Brady off one of those gots there. Like, I'd like

1174
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: to live something like that if I'm going to set

1175
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 1: a boat goal.

1176
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,839
Speaker 2: That's such a good answer I've talked about, you know,

1177
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 2: just with buddies a Mulfi coast Adriaddick outside of Greece, and.

1178
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: For years that for years it used to be did

1179
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 1: you guys ever used to see the trailers for Yacht Week?

1180
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:58,359
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah.

1181
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,280
Speaker 1: I mean in college when when the Yacht Week trailer

1182
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 1: used to drop, it was like that and Tomorrow World,

1183
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:07,760
Speaker 1: the huge festival in Europe. Now those used to drop

1184
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 1: on YouTube. My entire apartment of guys used to stop

1185
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 1: whatever we were doing and watch that and start to

1186
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 1: plan out the vacation of our dreams and like, up

1187
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: until I saw this with the Grand Prix My answer

1188
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 1: probably still would have been Croatian Yacht Week, because it

1189
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 1: just seems like everything boating is supposed to be.

1190
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 2: Well, that's the Succession yacht right at the end of

1191
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 2: season two, that that vibe in general, not what happened

1192
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 2: aboard that specific boat, right, but generally speaking, that you're

1193
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 2: on such a large boat, you're with good people in

1194
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 2: this case, and then you could just pop off to

1195
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 2: Split or Croatia wherever, and you just like, have a

1196
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 2: little food here, enjoy, you know, touring a city that

1197
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 2: you haven't been to, maybe hop in a villa, then

1198
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 2: back on the boat and cruise around some. It seems

1199
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 2: attractive to me. And I couldn't sell tie on having

1200
00:57:56,680 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 2: boat goals. Why is that tie? No, I'm not averse

1201
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 2: to boat goals. I just didn't know the question was

1202
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 2: coming and he caught me off guard. But see this

1203
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 2: for a week now. I still don't have a good answer.

1204
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 2: But I'm not averse to the boat. I love boats, right,

1205
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 2: I love boats.

1206
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 1: Let's go. This is probably directly correlated to how much

1207
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: like of the wealth porn content that you've taken in,

1208
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 1: because you just mentioned, like if you've watched Succession, if

1209
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 1: you were like me, and your formative years of college

1210
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: were spent watching Entourage with the guys on the box

1211
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 1: DVD set. And now if you have started to take

1212
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: up Formula one, which my god, I mean, you need

1213
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 1: only look at the list of sponsors you're inundated with

1214
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 1: every race. Like, if you're taking in enough of this,

1215
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 1: I've got the source material to draw to give you

1216
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 1: an adequate Yeah.

1217
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 3: I mean, I think the only thing I've really settled on,

1218
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 3: Dan is that the boat I'm on has to have

1219
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 3: at least one helipad, maybe two, of course, and that's

1220
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 3: not because I really want to go up in the helicopter.

1221
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 3: It's just I'm kind of curious as to why they

1222
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 3: have the helipad on the boat to begin with.

1223
00:58:58,000 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 1: Well, if it.

1224
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 2: Starts sinking, you want also nice safety net.

1225
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: But people do forget that element of the helipad.

1226
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 2: I feel, yes, very underrated. Yeah, get there, all right.

1227
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 2: I'm glad that Mike has boat goals that he was

1228
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 2: ready to answer immediately, and Ty, you're still working ears out.

1229
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 2: It's okay. I don't think you're a lost cause. I

1230
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 2: just I want specifics about what you're looking for. Get nautically,

1231
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 2: we'll get there together.

1232
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 1: Speaking of boat goals, all right, has either of this

1233
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:29,919
Speaker 1: been around the conversation of the show below Deck.

1234
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 2: No, I don't watch it.

1235
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: I'd watch that.

1236
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:34,919
Speaker 2: I know about it. I've seen clips, but I don't

1237
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 2: watch it consistently. I know it's about you know, the

1238
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 2: staff that's working, you know, the Mediterranean stuff like that.

1239
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, but like just in general for you guys,

1240
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 1: because obviously having boat goals is great, but part of

1241
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: it is also, like you know, and it's not to

1242
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 1: say that anything nefarious is happening, but it's just I'm

1243
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 1: probably going to be drunk on this boat having a

1244
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 1: good time dance and look like it would either of

1245
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 1: you guys sign up. If the only way you could

1246
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 1: have your boat goal was to have it filmed and

1247
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:05,439
Speaker 1: then put out on television like this, would you still

1248
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 1: go through it?

1249
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 2: Then?

1250
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 1: Because me, I was like, man, I don't know if

1251
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: I'm comfortable being drunk on a boat on camera. I

1252
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 1: don't know if that's my best self.

1253
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 2: Okay, the answer is probably yes, but it's just because

1254
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 2: I can't really handle that much alcohol. So I would

1255
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 2: just sort of be quickly fun and happy and asleep.

1256
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 1: Right.

1257
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 2: That's that's sort of like, well, Dan s napping again

1258
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 2: would be like my character arc on a boat related

1259
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 2: reality show, So I'm okay with that, and I like

1260
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 2: being the center of attention, so I'm good.

1261
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 3: I feel like that would probably be my lane as well.

1262
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 3: I can handle liquor a little bit better than Dan. Yeah,

1263
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 3: but I also have now that reflex where I reflex

1264
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 3: reflex where I just sort of fall asleep anytime anywhere,

1265
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 3: which probably wouldn't play well on TV, but it would

1266
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 3: at least help me attain the boat goals.

1267
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 1: Mike, I guess that's true because in this instance, I'm

1268
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 1: thinking of like college me. We're like, who knows, Like

1269
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 1: I could end up, like you know, torking on a

1270
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 1: table in a short very little clothing or something like that.

1271
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: I may not want out there later on, but now

1272
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 1: it's probably just going to be me hammering or doors

1273
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 1: and like you said, passing out on a couch somewhere.

1274
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 2: Yep, Mike, just eight thirty eight potato skins and he's

1275
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 2: asleep standing up.

1276
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 1: I've never seen someone consume deviled eggs with that level

1277
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 1: of free's.

1278
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 3: Asleep on the helipad on the age.

1279
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, weird how they serve potato skins and meknos All right.

1280
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 1: He's putting them on donuts now, a visionary.

1281
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 3: He just brought his own We bring this thing full

1282
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 3: circle from Mike gold Junior. Mike, before we let you go,

1283
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 3: is there anything you want us to promote for you?

1284
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 1: Yeah? At this point no, unfortunately, like I have to

1285
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 1: wait for you know, the parties involved to do their

1286
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 1: thing with all that. But at Michael of Junior on

1287
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 1: Twitter and Instagram, all those places, I will probably be

1288
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 1: drunk and cooking on Instagram live and waiting to announce

1289
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 1: the upcoming plans for this summer and falling.

1290
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 3: And you're podcasting, aren't you with your family?

1291
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 1: Yes? I have, And you know what, that's a very

1292
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 1: good point I should get in the habit. Yes, sorrying

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Speaker 1: coming on here, discuss discuss what happened with Will Smith

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Speaker 1: and Chris Rock at the Academy Awards as if it

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Speaker 1: happened yesterday.

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Speaker 3: All right, well, we appreciate your time. As always, we'll

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Speaker 3: make sure we link up that podcast in the notes.

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Speaker 3: Best of luck to whatever is next to you with

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Speaker 3: whatever is next, and hopefully we can talk again soon.

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Speaker 1: Definitely, thanks for having me, fellas.

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Speaker 3: Alrighty, there you go, Mike Gullick Junior, go and check

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Speaker 3: out the podcast. Make sure you follow him on Twitter.

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Speaker 2: He's got boat goals. Of course, he's got boat goals.

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Speaker 3: I feel embarrassed at the fact that I was not

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Speaker 3: ready when you asked me specifically for my boat goals.

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Speaker 3: I did not know the conversation was going to go there.

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Speaker 3: Right now that I've recognized this is going to be

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Speaker 3: a recurring point of contention between the two of us,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to put some hours into the laboratory before

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Speaker 3: our next show, and I'm going to come armed with

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Speaker 3: a number of boat goals.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so here, all I really want for you is like,

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Speaker 2: that's just always a lingering thing in the back of

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Speaker 2: my brain that just like if I were to find

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Speaker 2: myself in a fortunate situation in which I knew somebody

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Speaker 2: with a plane with a boat, with a warehouse that

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Speaker 2: I could turn into like a compound for making pizza

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Speaker 2: and tennis and an arcade and a movie theater, like

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Speaker 2: all of those things were like, I'm just in the way.

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Speaker 2: We'll tie it back to college football in the way

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Speaker 2: that a lot of like athletic directors and coaches like,

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Speaker 2: if I were to get this opportunity, here's who I

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Speaker 2: would hire. Here's how my own program would go. If

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Speaker 2: I had the opportunity to be on a luxurious boat situation,

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Speaker 2: this is how I wanted to all go down where

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Speaker 2: I wanted to go down. I wanted to be with

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Speaker 2: you know, my my buddy Dave, my buddy Scott, my

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Speaker 2: buddy Ty Hills, and brand, my buddy Kevin. Like that's

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Speaker 2: who I want. Listen to the house of run By

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Speaker 2: the way, that's that in my brain. I'm like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I want a chef on there, grilling right there outside.

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Speaker 2: I want all these things. I want to be jumping

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Speaker 2: off and doing cannonballs. I want I just I have

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Speaker 2: it all. Matt, So I like that you've taken the

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Speaker 2: helipad step is what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think just as a starting point

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Speaker 3: and we can frame out a future discussion around this.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not talking about going on a cruise, talking

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Speaker 3: about a big, luxurious boat that somebody far richer than

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Speaker 3: you and I owns. Of course, you've just been invited

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Speaker 3: to because you don't want to own a boat. Everybody

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Speaker 3: knows that that that depreciates the same data.

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Speaker 2: If you're having a good amount of fun, if it's

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Speaker 2: not draining your bank account, I'm sure boat ownership does

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Speaker 2: have some plus.

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Speaker 3: But if you've got if you need that, employ a

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Speaker 3: staff or staves staves baby as it were, to run

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Speaker 3: the boat, it's going to drain and bank.

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Speaker 2: It's just going of course, of course. But we're talking

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Speaker 2: about ridiculou us wealth here, ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: I think for me, it starts with the very simple

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Speaker 3: possibility of being able to be on the boat. We're

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Speaker 3: not too far removed from civilization. Maybe we're in international waters,

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Speaker 3: what have you.

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Speaker 2: Mm hm.

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Speaker 3: But we can just live on the boat. Oh how

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Speaker 3: long we can sleep on the boat for a couple

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Speaker 3: of nights, I'm talking a year, But like just being

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Speaker 3: out there and being able to subsist while living on

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Speaker 3: the boat. Yeah, having all of the luxuries of being

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Speaker 3: on land.

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Speaker 2: But we're on a boat and a big boat.

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Speaker 3: Good food, good people, good drinks.

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Speaker 2: And we can just stay there.

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Speaker 1: Ah, what a dream.

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Speaker 3: And we're not trying to circumnavigate the globe. We're not

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Speaker 3: going through the the doll drums, right, Like, we're just

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Speaker 3: hanging out on the boat. Good weather and we can live.

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Speaker 2: There for some abey. Yeah, just be there on the boat. See, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I see. My boat goal specifically is to be able

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Speaker 2: to and if you're there, and I hope you are

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Speaker 2: with my my Western European vacation. Sure is. I want

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Speaker 2: to be able to shout out to you from across

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Speaker 2: the bow ty. How many langostinas are you good for? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you're good for two grilled light?

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Speaker 1: Two?

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Speaker 2: What do we call three? Why not? Surge has has them.

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Speaker 2: We've got the whole cooler. We're good. That's what I'm

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Speaker 2: looking for.

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Speaker 3: All right. Well, for the next podcast, we're going to

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Speaker 3: talk about what Yeah, what was that word legostino?

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Speaker 2: A langostina.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll talk about what that is. Hopefully I'll get

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Speaker 3: this right.

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Speaker 2: A lngostino langostina. It's like a small lobster. I want

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Speaker 2: to say. I think it's a crustation of some kind. Yeah, yeah, spiny,

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Speaker 2: smaller uh lobster langostino. I'm you know I'm getting this wrong.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure, but yeah, can I can I ask? Can

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Speaker 2: I offer you one more thing? Because you have mentioned

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Speaker 2: for Ballers dot Com, and I think Forballers dot Com

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Speaker 2: is an exceptional option to those people who want to

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Speaker 2: support the show and what we do here in all

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Speaker 2: of our ridiculous boat Coal conversations. Please please please with

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Speaker 2: college football mixed in, I think appropriately, So, we have

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Speaker 2: a fast food bracket that's been ongoing on our discord,

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Speaker 2: only available on Verballer subscribers on verballers dot com a

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Speaker 2: discord server. I'm only gonna go through two of the

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Speaker 2: matchups that are in the sweet sixteen, but the Alpha

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Speaker 2: Coal on the discord put this together, I believe. Are

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Speaker 2: you ready for two matchups? Yeah? No fast food dishes.

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Speaker 2: As we are in the middle of the NCAA tournament,

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Speaker 2: of which I know basically nothing about other than Saint

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Speaker 2: Peter's is now no longer. Pea Cocks are out man

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Speaker 2: therek Doox are out shout out Jersey City though, right,

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Speaker 2: that's right. McDonald's fries is a one seed versus Chipotle

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Speaker 2: Burrito bowls as a five seed.

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Speaker 3: I mean McDonald's fries.

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Speaker 2: It's McDonald's fries. Now, there are a couple down that

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Speaker 2: they're not fried in the same beef tallow. I believe

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Speaker 2: that they were in the nineties the fall. He said

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Speaker 2: tallow tallow, beef tallow.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's another one.

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Speaker 1: I'm right.

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Speaker 3: I'm rendered beef fat to beat on the front, okay.

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Speaker 2: And then they are a thinner fry, which is nice

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Speaker 2: for dipping in the McDonald's sized sauces. I'm a sweet

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Speaker 2: and sour guy myself when it comes to McDonald's, which

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Speaker 2: I don't eat that much, but that's that would be

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Speaker 2: my choice. They're gonna cool down pretty quickly. You got

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Speaker 2: to jump on them pretty quickly. You got to either

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Speaker 2: be very close to home when you're picking up McDonald's

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Speaker 2: or you just got to destroy him in the car.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But the thing with McDonald's fries and why this

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Speaker 3: is one seed and why this is the winner, it's

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Speaker 3: like the Nick Saban thing in the SEC. All the

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Speaker 3: other competing franchises have changed out their fries trying to

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Speaker 3: compete with McDonald's, right, And I don't think any of

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Speaker 3: them have ever gotten any better. They've you know, they've improved.

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Speaker 3: In some cases. We could argue the merits of that,

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Speaker 3: but McDonald's fries are like nicksaban man.

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Speaker 2: I think the best thing about a Chipotle burrito bowl

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Speaker 2: is the idea of a burrito bowl, rather than Pole's

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01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 2: own execution. I like some of Chipotle's competitors. There's a

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Speaker 2: place that's in New York and Chicago and growing called

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01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 2: Dos Toros that I really like, But Chipotle is It's

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Speaker 2: just never really been my thing.

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Speaker 3: Listen. I would also add, if they want to pay

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Speaker 3: us to say differently, we're open to that possibility. Not

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Speaker 3: a sponsor could be uh no, Chipotle is fine. It's

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Speaker 3: just if I have the option of Chipotle or something else,

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Speaker 3: that's generally not my choice. The other matter match I the.

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Speaker 2: Culver's butter burger, don't know the Wendy's don't know what

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01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 2: that is. It is a burger from a chain called Culvers.

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01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 2: That is fine, but they do butter their buns because

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01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 2: it is a midwestern Ish thing. You some frozen custard. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I've had Culvers and I've had and the other one

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Speaker 2: is the Wendy Spicy Chicken sandwich.

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Speaker 3: We've had long conversations about the Wendy Spiky, Spiky Spicy

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Speaker 3: chickpe sandwich.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this matchup is a no rain if we're talking

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Speaker 2: about like the nineteen ninety eight, two thousand and four

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01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:07,200
Speaker 2: Wendy's Spicy Chicken sandwich. At some point Wendy's went a

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01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:09,479
Speaker 2: new direction with their spicy chicken sandwich that made it

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01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:12,480
Speaker 2: extremely pedestrian and forgettable, if not insulting.

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01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the Apex predator if we're going to

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Speaker 3: continue using that lingo. Yeah, a spicy chicken sandwiches has

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Speaker 3: got to be Chick fil A.

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01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:24,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've had great Chick fil A spicy chicken sandwiches.

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Speaker 2: I like the Popeyes, want a good deal. It depends

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Speaker 2: on how much of a crunch factor you want in

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Speaker 2: your breading. Obviously Popeyes goes heavier with that crunch in

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Speaker 2: the breading. Both are terrific. I don't have a Popeyes nearby,

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Speaker 2: I don't think so. I've had the Chick fil A

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01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:42,720
Speaker 2: offering a little bit more. I'm going to go with

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01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 2: the Culver's Butterburger here. It's merely okay, but I'm just

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01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:52,120
Speaker 2: so I'm hurt by what Wendy's has done to their

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01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 2: spicy chicken sandwich that I just can't.

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Speaker 1: Get on board.

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01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:56,600
Speaker 3: This is a personal thing for you. Yeah, this is

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01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:59,680
Speaker 3: a personal thing. Well, now I got to go and

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01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:01,640
Speaker 3: look at this bracket a little bit more intently. I

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01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 3: knew it was to have a chance to study it yet. Yeah,

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01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 3: perhaps this could be a subject for one of our

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01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:11,599
Speaker 3: off topic shows that we do on a semi regular

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01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 3: basis over atverbawlers dot com. Yeah, fast food bracket, I

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01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:18,120
Speaker 3: think would be wed. Just do a fast food show,

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Speaker 3: a fast food show.

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01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:23,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, oh man, who would we Okay, who would

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01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 2: be a good guest? A good fast Do you know

1490
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 2: who is a huge fast food person? Do you know

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01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 2: the name Algeen at all? Does that mean anything to you?

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01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:32,719
Speaker 3: No?

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01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:36,120
Speaker 2: No, I believe it's Algene. Maybe I'm getting the wrong producer.

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01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:43,880
Speaker 2: It is, no, not Algene. Bill Oakley, Simpson's producer Bill Oakley.

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01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:47,759
Speaker 2: I think writer producer Bill Oakley on Twitter or Instagram

1496
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:55,600
Speaker 2: or something. Does Fastidious reviews of every single released like

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01:11:56,320 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 2: chip candy, fast food, like like if Cheetos releases like

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01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:02,640
Speaker 2: I got garlic Parmesan Cheeto. This Simpsons writer is like

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01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 2: I'm on it eight and a half out of ten.

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01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 2: These are my notes, These are my pluses, these are

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01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 2: my minuses. I don't know if we can get Bill Oakley,

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01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:11,760
Speaker 2: but I'm down for a fast food show because I

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Speaker 2: do have lots of thoughts. And you get into like

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Speaker 2: the regional thing, you get into national hyper local because

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Speaker 2: I could build you my my my dream fast food meal,

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Speaker 2: but it would involve Tommy's, which is only local to

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Speaker 2: I think California. So I'm happy to talk about it.

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Speaker 3: Ty, all right, Well, we're gonna why don't we plan

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Speaker 3: our next off topic show around that subject of fast food,

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Speaker 3: And we're gonna need to lean on you a little

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Speaker 3: bit to figure out who the right guest or guests

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Speaker 3: are sure to help inform that discussion. But now that

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Speaker 3: we've got the bracket, March madness is sort of wrapping

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Speaker 3: up here, just a couple of days left in the month, yep.

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Speaker 3: We need to make sure that we treat ourselves here,

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Speaker 3: presumably as we get into the month of April, and

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Speaker 3: talk about something that we know is of interest. All right,

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Speaker 3: I agree, all right, again, big thanks to our guest

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Speaker 3: of for all his time, always generous with it, Michael Junior.

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Speaker 3: We wish him well with whatever comes next. Don't forget

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Speaker 3: to listen to that podcast. As I said during the interview,

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Speaker 3: we'll make sure we put the notes, put the link

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Speaker 3: to his show in the notes. Don't forget to subscribe.

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Speaker 3: Don't forget to go on out to solid giveaway dot

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Speaker 3: com if you're interested in winning that mini helmet we

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Speaker 3: discussed earlier, and last but not least for ballers dot

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Speaker 3: com if you want to get in on the Patreon,

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Speaker 3: the discord, and of course the eventual discussion about fast

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Speaker 3: food rapids. A great for that guy Oup there, my

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Speaker 3: good friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself Tie Hilding a brand.

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Speaker 3: We will catch you all on Thursday. In the meantime,

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Speaker 3: stay soft, peace,