WEBVTT - Agatha All Along Episode 6

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, My name is Ja Sconcepi and I Mersday Night

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<v Speaker 3>we'll be releasing on Tuesday, I think.

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<v Speaker 6>In the previously on Tom Hollanden's and Day, we're very

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<v Speaker 6>happy with The Spider Man for script, which is exciting,

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<v Speaker 6>and we're gonna talk about Lionsgates bad bad, not good

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<v Speaker 6>terror year at the box office. We're also going to

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<v Speaker 6>talk about Amazon's God of War TV show, which is

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<v Speaker 6>also not having a great year.

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<v Speaker 1>In the airlock, Oh my gosh Wow, Episode one and

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<v Speaker 1>six of AGAs that we're going to talk about, and

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<v Speaker 1>in the back batter we're gonna maybe discuss familiars, so

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<v Speaker 1>this might get cut.

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<v Speaker 2>That's previously on.

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<v Speaker 1>First up, tough year at the movie theater, particularly for

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<v Speaker 1>lions Gate picture Baby, which is out over half eight

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollars, folks. Creas a very tough time at lions Gate,

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<v Speaker 1>beginning with director Eli Ross historically reviled adaptation of the

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<v Speaker 1>Borderlands video game series titled Borderlands, which lost a ton

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<v Speaker 1>of money gross less than dollars in the US.

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<v Speaker 5>Why did they? Why did they make it? Pg? Thirteen.

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<v Speaker 5>I'll never understand.

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<v Speaker 2>To come see it as they could.

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<v Speaker 5>I know.

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<v Speaker 3>But guess what, guys, I got a secret. In America,

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<v Speaker 3>a child can go to an R rated movie if

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<v Speaker 3>someone buys them a ticket. That is not the case

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<v Speaker 3>in any other country. In England, you have to be

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<v Speaker 3>eighteen they will be iding you. But here you could

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<v Speaker 3>make a popular rated movie, as they have done with

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<v Speaker 3>The Joker, et cetera, The First Joker.

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<v Speaker 5>But yeah, and we and there's so many more.

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<v Speaker 1>As a quick aside, we must note that it has

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<v Speaker 1>been reported in various outlets, including Wire Entertainment, that ticket

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<v Speaker 1>sales for The Wild Robot Robot have been seeing a bump,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is being attributed to teens sneaking into Terrifier

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<v Speaker 1>three after buying tickets to Wild Robot.

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<v Speaker 5>I am proud of.

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<v Speaker 3>The children for continuing the important tradition of sneaking into

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<v Speaker 3>cinematic releases that you are too young to But yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>this was a really bad year, so they had Obviously,

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<v Speaker 3>board Lands was expected to be a massive money maker,

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<v Speaker 3>huge franchise.

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<v Speaker 5>It was a flop.

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<v Speaker 3>Then they had The Killers. Never let go the halle

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<v Speaker 3>Berry movie The Crow.

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<v Speaker 5>I enjoyed it, but nobody else did.

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<v Speaker 3>Whitebird, which was a sequel to Wonder, and of course,

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<v Speaker 3>they were the studio that faithfully chose to pick up Megalopolis.

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<v Speaker 5>I have seen it. I don't know what they were thinking,

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<v Speaker 5>but wild so it was.

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<v Speaker 3>Not going well for them. Their string of flops has

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<v Speaker 3>essentially meant that they have lost six hundred and ninety

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<v Speaker 3>two million dollars this year. Maybe they're going to try

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<v Speaker 3>and do some kind of tax evasion. That seems like

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<v Speaker 3>what happens whenever these companies lose money. But it has

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<v Speaker 3>seen their owner Lion's space Gate lions Gate Entertainment not

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<v Speaker 3>One Word, which owns eighty seven percent of lions Gate

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<v Speaker 3>One Word Studios, has seen it shares for thirty four percent.

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<v Speaker 3>This Yes, so they're gonna need some big hits next

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<v Speaker 3>year because this was a rough one.

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<v Speaker 1>This is they are attempting to kind of spin off

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<v Speaker 1>the various assets under the larger corporate umbrella. Not a

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<v Speaker 1>good time to release a series of flops. But looking

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<v Speaker 1>at these titles, start with making a good movie. That's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of always the secret. It's kind of always the secret.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen that doesn't a good movie doesn't ensure success, but

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<v Speaker 1>it surely doesn't. It doesn't hurt because then you get legs.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you get streaming, then you get all these other

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<v Speaker 1>forms of income that can come in. You get rentals

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<v Speaker 1>because people will say, hey, that was actually good, Well

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't see it in the theater, I'll watch it

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<v Speaker 1>some other way. If you release a bad movie, it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to continue to be a bad movie that people

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<v Speaker 1>are not going to want to watch as it matriculates

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<v Speaker 1>down the different kinds of content streams.

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<v Speaker 2>So just make a good movie.

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<v Speaker 5>I will say the caveat for that.

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<v Speaker 3>When I watched The Crow in the cinema, I did

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<v Speaker 3>think it felt like it could be number one on Netflix.

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<v Speaker 3>You know when everyone just watches a bad movie because

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<v Speaker 3>they want to talk about it. And then like l

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<v Speaker 3>magazine is writing about The Crow and all these random

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<v Speaker 3>like magazines that are not in the geek space because

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<v Speaker 3>people are watching it so much on Netflix.

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<v Speaker 5>So Lionscape, maybe you can get a good second window deal.

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<v Speaker 3>I also feel like Megalopolis potential for people to want

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<v Speaker 3>to watch at home. I will say the movie itself

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<v Speaker 3>was not for me, but the final like ten minutes

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<v Speaker 3>are so hilarious. They include a line and a moment

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<v Speaker 3>that are so hilarious. I would encourage everyone to watch.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, onto a movie that's likely going to be

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<v Speaker 3>way more popular, which is a Spider Man for sadly

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<v Speaker 3>not a lions Gate movie. They will not be making

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<v Speaker 3>their money back on that.

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<v Speaker 1>Tom and Sindia have read the script for Spider Man

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<v Speaker 1>four and while they say quote it needs work, but

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<v Speaker 1>the writers are doing a great job, they're also tremendously excited.

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<v Speaker 5>I thought that was very sassy comment.

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<v Speaker 2>A very sassy comment.

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<v Speaker 1>And the promo has begun early in the life cycle

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<v Speaker 1>of Spider Man four, but this is it's positive news.

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<v Speaker 5>This is a real movie worthy of fans respect. I

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<v Speaker 5>like that. I'm interested in what that means.

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<v Speaker 3>Destin Daniel Kretten, we love him short term twelve Shang Chi.

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<v Speaker 5>I think this was his Sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>About Kang makeup movie, So I'm very excited for that.

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<v Speaker 3>I think, Jason, what is your biggest prediction for this movie?

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<v Speaker 5>What's it going to be about? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>My gosh, what is my breateest?

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<v Speaker 1>My biggest prediction for this movie is how does it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be all about a more street level Spider Man?

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<v Speaker 1>And I think, as Holland has said, he's expressed his

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<v Speaker 1>desire most recently in Comic book dot Com of getting

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<v Speaker 1>Miles Morales somehow into the world.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we're gonna.

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<v Speaker 1>Start ourselves down a road where Tom Holland can exit

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<v Speaker 1>the stage via death and Miles can take over. So

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<v Speaker 1>I think that whether it happens in that movie or

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<v Speaker 1>it sets the stage for that, I think we're moving

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<v Speaker 1>towards that.

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<v Speaker 5>I think that best case scenario is.

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<v Speaker 6>Peter is a teacher and he's teaching Miles, and they

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<v Speaker 6>end up coming together, and Miles looks up to Spider

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<v Speaker 6>Man but doesn't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Peter is Spider Man, so has this jeweling kind of relationship,

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<v Speaker 3>almost like Superman Clark Kent. He's a teacher as a mentor,

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<v Speaker 3>and he Spider Man is a mentor. And yeah, the

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<v Speaker 3>rumors were in those old, long ago Sony Leaks. This

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<v Speaker 3>is law from a long time ago, if you're a

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<v Speaker 3>youngster listening to this. But in the long ago Sony Leaks,

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<v Speaker 3>the rumor was that the deal that Marvel made with

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<v Speaker 3>Sony was that they would have to do three live

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<v Speaker 3>action Peter Parker Spider Man movies before they could have Miles.

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<v Speaker 3>So let's see if that's true, because that could mean

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<v Speaker 3>we could get introduction of Miles here. But yeah, I'm excited.

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<v Speaker 3>I like Tom's kind of gumption here. I feel like

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<v Speaker 3>he understands now that he's Dating's and there, and that

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<v Speaker 3>puts him a like A he can be a sassy.

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<v Speaker 5>Proud guy, because I was like, whoa, he's like.

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<v Speaker 2>They're one of my fav couples. Maybe that I.

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<v Speaker 1>Love him, love that because they genuinely seem like in love.

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<v Speaker 5>I know, it's actually really sweet.

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<v Speaker 3>I support them, and I hope that they're getting a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of money for being in this movie, and I

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<v Speaker 3>hope that they're gonna have a great time making it.

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<v Speaker 3>And I hope that obviously Mary Jade and Peter managed

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<v Speaker 3>to find each other again, because that is such lovely casting.

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<v Speaker 5>Sorry I should say MJ and Pizza.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, to another thing that's not going so well for somebody.

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon's adaptation of the Triple A video game title God

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<v Speaker 1>of War.

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<v Speaker 5>I Love God of War, I Love God.

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<v Speaker 1>Two of the most so good. The last two God

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<v Speaker 1>of War games have been highlights in the gaming calendar

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<v Speaker 1>of two of the best games released in recent years. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>the adaptation is not going well. Production started pre production

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<v Speaker 1>and production started about two years ago, and they've had

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<v Speaker 1>to scrap and start over. The showrunner has left various

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<v Speaker 1>turnover at the executive level. All of this means we're

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<v Speaker 1>probably not going to get a God of War TV show.

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<v Speaker 2>For I don't know, four years or something.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, maybe off in the next game.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, who knows, but you know, hopefully it's good.

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<v Speaker 2>Hopefully it's good. Up next. Lego School for Mutants. Listen.

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<v Speaker 1>We've talked many a time on this program about the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that Lego often spoils things we love with the

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<v Speaker 1>releases of their toys and the leaks of upcoming releases.

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<v Speaker 1>This does not appear to be time any release time, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Perhaps perfectly timed.

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<v Speaker 1>Lego School for Mutants. The Ladies Baby licensed lego set

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<v Speaker 1>from Marvel and Lego showcases Charles Xavier's famous school. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a multi floor mansion, much in the vein of Hogwarts,

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<v Speaker 1>but a little bit smaller, it seems, Yeah, but just incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>Over three thousand pieces and it's beautiful.

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<v Speaker 3>Very similar to the home alone house where you kind

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<v Speaker 3>of have the different rooms. Yeah, you can build and

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<v Speaker 3>you've got all of your X Men ninety seven faves, Iceman,

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<v Speaker 3>Jean Gray Gambit, well Iceman actually not in X Men

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<v Speaker 3>ninety seven, but you do have Classic Iceman, Jean Gray, Gambit, Bishop, Rogue, Wolverine, Storm, Cyclops, Magneto,

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<v Speaker 3>Professor X.

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<v Speaker 5>You can make them kiss.

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<v Speaker 3>Beast is only available, that's what everyone loves to do

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<v Speaker 3>with toys. Beast is only available via randomized loop boxes.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't even know what that means because I'm thirty

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<v Speaker 3>six years old, but.

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<v Speaker 1>It means that means they're That means they're getting like

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<v Speaker 1>an insensitive side of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, by Jean Gray's lab is going to be in there,

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<v Speaker 3>the danger room, and there's a set to not attacking

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<v Speaker 3>the school from outside.

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<v Speaker 5>It is damn it. I know, I want it so bad.

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<v Speaker 5>It looks so great. We have a banging Lego.

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<v Speaker 3>Discord channel in our discord, so if you guys are

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<v Speaker 3>into Lego, the host and kind of master and master

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<v Speaker 3>of our discord, Heidi is a Lego expert, so feel.

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<v Speaker 5>Free to join there.

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<v Speaker 3>It is sadly three hundred and thirty dollars, but I

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<v Speaker 3>will say comes out in November first, so timed perfectly

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<v Speaker 3>for everyone to get into Debt at Christmas.

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<v Speaker 1>Lots of wonderful Easter eggs in this set. The one

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<v Speaker 1>that I particularly liked was in Jean Gray's lab. Jean

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<v Speaker 1>Gray has a medical lab where she is working on

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<v Speaker 1>Wolverine in the promo photos and it appears on her

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<v Speaker 1>computer screen that she is working on a cure for

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<v Speaker 1>the legacy virus.

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<v Speaker 5>Just casual.

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<v Speaker 3>By the way, can I just say, like one of

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<v Speaker 3>the most controversial Marvel storylines of all time? And they

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<v Speaker 3>were like, yeah, let's just see what happens, Like why not?

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<v Speaker 5>I love that? It's like so funny.

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<v Speaker 1>End up Next on Disney Plus, Marvel has released Mission

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<v Speaker 1>Demolition on Disney Plus, featuring.

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<v Speaker 2>A character just.

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<v Speaker 1>A regular guy who works for the corporation damage Control

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<v Speaker 1>named d Man.

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<v Speaker 2>A character who has a very.

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<v Speaker 3>Interesting history in the comics, very interesting combook history, Dennis Dumfy.

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<v Speaker 3>He basically appeared first as like what people thought was

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<v Speaker 3>like a bootleg dead Evil because his logo was similar.

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<v Speaker 3>In this you get to see him with more of

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<v Speaker 3>a Wolverine inspired costume. But this is on Disney Plus

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<v Speaker 3>right now. The clips that they have released from it,

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<v Speaker 3>it literally just dropped this morning, so we haven't had

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<v Speaker 3>a chance to watch it, but there's a great promo

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<v Speaker 3>clip they released where Dennis is monologuing to the camera

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<v Speaker 3>and then Sheep comes in and kind of says that

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<v Speaker 3>she sued Deadpool so badly he's not in the special.

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<v Speaker 3>Really good jokes. These Lego movies have been at the

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<v Speaker 3>forefront of really really funny.

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<v Speaker 5>Superhero stuff, so this is a nice eyes drop.

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<v Speaker 3>There's gonna be some really weird, deep cut stuff in here,

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<v Speaker 3>very interesting inclusion of d Man whoever came up with that.

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<v Speaker 3>Good for you, And yeah, I think this is gonna

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<v Speaker 3>be a lot of fun, So definitely check that one out.

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<v Speaker 7>Up next, Agatha, Yeah, okay, Agatha episode six Familiar.

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<v Speaker 5>By my Side. I'm gonna cry.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna even get into it.

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<v Speaker 1>This is simply one of the best episodes of Marvel

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<v Speaker 1>on Disney Plus television, Like it's one of the great

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<v Speaker 1>Disney plus Marvel episodes.

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<v Speaker 5>It's awesome this episode coming out.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you watch the Penguin episodes four and five.

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<v Speaker 3>You watch Penguin episode four, which is is widely seen

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<v Speaker 3>as like one of the best episodes of all time

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<v Speaker 3>and then and one of the best TV episodes of

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<v Speaker 3>the year, and you think, like, oh, I love Agatha.

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<v Speaker 3>It's this campy, great show, Like, you know, I can't

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<v Speaker 3>wait to see it. But you don't really think of

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<v Speaker 3>it in the same vein as the penguin. And then

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<v Speaker 3>they drop this episode and you remember like, oh, this

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<v Speaker 3>is Marvel Studios. Like when they come in hot, they

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<v Speaker 3>can really make like a true classic. And this episode

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<v Speaker 3>is emotional, It's fantastic. By the end, I was like

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<v Speaker 3>didn't want it to finish. I just I knew it

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<v Speaker 3>was coming to a close. It is one of the

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<v Speaker 3>longer episodes, around forty four minutes, but I really was

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<v Speaker 3>just like, I don't want this to be over because

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<v Speaker 3>it is so good.

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<v Speaker 5>And for people like me and Jason.

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<v Speaker 3>This is also the introduction of a character that we've

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<v Speaker 3>been waiting for for a very long time.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. We open in a different time, a different place.

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<v Speaker 1>We see the teen who we can now officially called Billy,

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<v Speaker 1>but in his I guess in his body's previous incarnation

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<v Speaker 1>as William Kaplan. It is William Kaplan's bar Mitzvah. We

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<v Speaker 1>see him at Temple and we see him at his

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<v Speaker 1>bar mitzvah party with his friends and his family who

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<v Speaker 1>are just regular folks in New Jersey. The theme of

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<v Speaker 1>the party is is magic. I love a good bar Mitzvah.

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<v Speaker 1>I went to a bar Mitzvah once that was Nick's

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<v Speaker 1>themed and John Stark was there.

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<v Speaker 2>It was awesome.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh my god, that's amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was like the theme is magic and they

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<v Speaker 1>have like a palm reader and all these different kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of like magical accouterments. And William goes into the tent

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<v Speaker 1>and the palm reader is Lilia and du she's like

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<v Speaker 1>past her future. He goes past and he says, but

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<v Speaker 1>don't tell me too much, like I don't want it spoiled,

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<v Speaker 1>like I don't want to know too much. The lights

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<v Speaker 1>flicker just as she is setting down to read his palm,

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<v Speaker 1>and then she looks and she is immediately alarmed at

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<v Speaker 1>what she's She tells him his lifeline is broken.

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<v Speaker 2>But then you can.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell despite how truly concerning this news is, she tries

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of put a good this is all fun

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<v Speaker 1>in games where I don't worry about it's a party, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>spin on it, basically saying, well, you know, life is

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<v Speaker 1>a journey and you're gonna go under a lot of transformations.

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<v Speaker 1>But then says to him just big changes, Yeah, big

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<v Speaker 1>changes for your life. But then says to him and

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<v Speaker 1>one is a pretty ominous note to close on Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy your life right now. Enjoy what's happening right Stay

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<v Speaker 1>in the moment. Stay in the moment. He leaves and

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<v Speaker 1>forgets his coat. She takes out a tile and writes

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<v Speaker 1>the sigil on it, writes the sigil that binds him

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<v Speaker 1>from from saying who he is, and drops it in

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<v Speaker 1>his suit jacket. And she leaves the tent to say

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<v Speaker 1>to someone, Hey, this kid forgot his jacket in my

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<v Speaker 1>tent and she's and the person is like, who, and

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<v Speaker 1>she says, I forgot she did.

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<v Speaker 2>She immediately forgets the entire So that's true.

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<v Speaker 1>So we know one that Lilia did the sigil, and

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<v Speaker 1>then two didn't know who he was during the Witch's

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<v Speaker 1>Road trials.

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<v Speaker 2>Because of this.

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<v Speaker 6>I did not have Lilia doing the sigel.

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<v Speaker 5>On my list.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that they brought her in in the form

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<v Speaker 3>of kind of her fake palm reader business, which she's

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<v Speaker 3>kind of admitted was just a front for like her

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<v Speaker 3>real life. And I love that in that moment we

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<v Speaker 3>see the power of the sigel because she immediately doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>even remember who he was, which.

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<v Speaker 5>Is it's just such great storytelling.

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<v Speaker 3>And then we get this big connective tissue moment that

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<v Speaker 3>kind of hints us, right, So.

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<v Speaker 1>This is obviously taking place during the finale of Wana

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<v Speaker 1>Vision some three years earlier. The party gets broken up

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<v Speaker 1>because news breaks that the anomaly over in Westview, which

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<v Speaker 1>is nearby town nearby is something's going on with it,

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<v Speaker 1>So everybody starts speeding home in the car. The reality

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<v Speaker 1>of the anomaly is clearly breaking through because you can

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<v Speaker 1>hear pieces of Wanda's television shows on the Kaplan car radio.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it's shrinking, kind of the implication being that the

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<v Speaker 6>magic as the anomaly shrinks, the magic's kind of escaping

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<v Speaker 6>out of it and influencing them.

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<v Speaker 1>As this is happening, William pulls the tile out of

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<v Speaker 1>his jacket. He's looking at it, and just then they're

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<v Speaker 1>run off the road. Their car spins into a tree.

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<v Speaker 1>The parents are shaken but okay, but William is very.

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<v Speaker 2>Very badly hurt. In fact, he dies.

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<v Speaker 1>He is for a moment dead, but then rip William Kaplan,

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<v Speaker 1>Rip William Kaplan. But then he comes back to life,

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<v Speaker 1>yelling the name Tommy. Is it the same Billy? We're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna find out that it's actually not. The police come

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<v Speaker 1>by and Billy goes to the hospital.

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<v Speaker 3>At the hospital, well interesting to note, Hey, though the

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<v Speaker 3>cop is Alice, one of the cops, So we're getting

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<v Speaker 3>the implication here with Lilia, with Alice that probably the

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<v Speaker 3>coven is more connected to Billy than it ever was

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<v Speaker 3>to Agatha.

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<v Speaker 1>That's correct. In the hospital, we learned that Billy can

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<v Speaker 1>read thoughts. He can hear certainly, when people are experiencing

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<v Speaker 1>intense emotions, their thoughts breakthrough and he can hear them,

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<v Speaker 1>and he can hear how worried his parents are. Because

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<v Speaker 1>though his scans seem fine and the doctors tell him

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<v Speaker 1>he can go home, he has a former amnesia. He

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<v Speaker 1>is not himself, is not acting like himself, doesn't remember anything,

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't remember.

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<v Speaker 2>Anything of his previous life.

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<v Speaker 1>He goes home and his dog barks at him because

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<v Speaker 1>of again, it's not William Kaplan. He hears his parents

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<v Speaker 1>worries again, and he blurts out like stop worrying about me,

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<v Speaker 1>And then he says, listen, I'm fine. Maybe I just

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<v Speaker 1>need to see my Maybe, Mom, you're right, I just

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<v Speaker 1>need to see my room and that will shake me up.

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<v Speaker 2>She didn't say this.

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<v Speaker 1>She thought like, maybe when he sees his room, he'll

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<v Speaker 1>be fine. We go up to the room, We see

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<v Speaker 1>William Capslan's previous room. It was this is a room

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<v Speaker 1>of a kid who was kind of very interested in magic,

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<v Speaker 1>and like, yeah, uh, there's stuff from the Wizard of Oz.

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<v Speaker 1>There's pictures Budini.

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<v Speaker 5>We also get like there's Alice in wonder Lamp.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's like it's very much posters about oh the

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<v Speaker 3>Black Cauldron, my favorite doesn't evenybe very much nods to

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<v Speaker 3>what has influenced the episodes that we've seen before. There's

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<v Speaker 3>even a Goony's poster, but it actually says the Goofballs,

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<v Speaker 3>which is very funny. But yeah, lots of Wizard of

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<v Speaker 3>Oz stuff here, and when we get to see Billy's

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<v Speaker 3>room in the few future, we'll get to see some

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<v Speaker 3>more kind of referential stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So he looks in the mirror and he's practicing taking

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<v Speaker 1>on this this new personality I am willing. My name

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<v Speaker 1>is William Kaplan, my name is William Kaplin, trying to

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<v Speaker 1>convince himself.

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<v Speaker 3>I also found this moment like so heartbreaking because imagine

0:22:20.520 --> 0:22:26.200
<v Speaker 3>baby Billy from Wondervision and just the absolute like wherewith

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<v Speaker 3>all an understanding to know, like, well, I'm in this

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<v Speaker 3>body now, so there's nothing I can do about it, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>if I tell people I'm not me, nobody's gonna believe me,

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<v Speaker 3>So I just have to pretend to be in this body.

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<v Speaker 3>I just think one this is answer is one of

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<v Speaker 3>the biggest questions that all of us have been answering,

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<v Speaker 3>what would they do to bring Billy into the universe,

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<v Speaker 3>because obviously he doesn't really exist in this universe. So

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<v Speaker 3>this was a theory that Aaron, our super producer, had

0:22:52.359 --> 0:22:54.440
<v Speaker 3>brought up, the idea that the body and the car

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<v Speaker 3>crash that we hear about at the beginning would become

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<v Speaker 3>a host body for Billy, and that is obviously what

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<v Speaker 3>happens here. But I think they did it in a

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<v Speaker 3>way that was like so emotionally driven and not kind

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<v Speaker 3>of necromancy or you know, like they were doing in

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<v Speaker 3>Multiverse of Madness with the skin walking. I think this

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<v Speaker 3>has such an emotional bent to it. In this moment

0:23:18.160 --> 0:23:22.280
<v Speaker 3>when he's just looking in the mirror saying that is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's also clear that he doesn't have all of

0:23:29.960 --> 0:23:37.600
<v Speaker 1>his Billy memories from that very very bizarre and just

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<v Speaker 1>previous reality of life, right yeah, And which, by the way,

0:23:42.920 --> 0:23:45.040
<v Speaker 1>like even if he could remember all of that stuff,

0:23:45.080 --> 0:23:47.199
<v Speaker 1>would it even make sense because it was you know,

0:23:47.200 --> 0:23:51.040
<v Speaker 1>you're in this exactly like X Reality. That's a television

0:23:51.080 --> 0:23:55.479
<v Speaker 1>show that's not really real. Anyway, three years past, Billy

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<v Speaker 1>is a goth. Now he's on a date with his

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<v Speaker 1>boyfriend Eddie, which is very interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so let me start.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's talk.

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<v Speaker 2>With his boyfriend Eddie.

0:24:06.480 --> 0:24:11.959
<v Speaker 1>Eddie, And we must mention that in the colleges Billy

0:24:12.240 --> 0:24:17.280
<v Speaker 1>is it has a famous relationship with Hulkling, who whose

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<v Speaker 1>name is Teddy.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, And I have to say, look, now this was

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<v Speaker 3>a discussion in the discord. Yes, because in in England,

0:24:26.280 --> 0:24:30.199
<v Speaker 3>especially though there are American versions of it, Teddy is

0:24:30.400 --> 0:24:35.120
<v Speaker 3>also Kennedy, the name exactly like Edward Kennedy. You can

0:24:35.160 --> 0:24:37.600
<v Speaker 3>be Teddy if you're Edward, and you can also be

0:24:37.680 --> 0:24:41.800
<v Speaker 3>Teddy obviously if you're Theodore. Now in the Marvel comics,

0:24:43.000 --> 0:24:47.080
<v Speaker 3>Hulkling is a Theodore. Though I think here they are

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<v Speaker 3>giving us Eddie as an implication that they want us

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<v Speaker 3>to have these conversations because he could be both.

0:24:54.280 --> 0:24:56.040
<v Speaker 2>We don't know very clearly they.

0:24:57.640 --> 0:25:04.280
<v Speaker 5>Have this exact conversation. The first thing is they.

0:25:04.119 --> 0:25:05.800
<v Speaker 3>Want us to all go, wait, did you say Eddie?

0:25:05.880 --> 0:25:08.480
<v Speaker 5>Did you say Eddie? And then they want us to

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<v Speaker 5>be like, well it could.

0:25:11.160 --> 0:25:14.520
<v Speaker 6>He looks like him he VI and also as well,

0:25:14.920 --> 0:25:17.920
<v Speaker 6>as we will see throughout this episode, Eddie is very

0:25:18.320 --> 0:25:20.159
<v Speaker 6>open minded, which.

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<v Speaker 5>Makes you, well, maybe you got a little secret. Maybe

0:25:22.800 --> 0:25:23.640
<v Speaker 5>you were a little secret.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's my prediction.

0:25:26.280 --> 0:25:31.760
<v Speaker 1>Eddie doesn't know it, but he's he's not all human exactly,

0:25:31.840 --> 0:25:32.960
<v Speaker 1>and he's going to find.

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<v Speaker 2>At a certain point.

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<v Speaker 3>He doesn't know it.

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<v Speaker 5>I can curt, I can cut.

0:25:36.480 --> 0:25:38.960
<v Speaker 3>He doesn't know it, but there's something inside him that

0:25:39.000 --> 0:25:41.040
<v Speaker 3>makes him more open minded. I think it would be

0:25:41.080 --> 0:25:43.960
<v Speaker 3>fantastic casting if it is the case. If not, they're

0:25:43.960 --> 0:25:47.000
<v Speaker 3>having a lot of fun with it, but yes, very fun. Also,

0:25:47.600 --> 0:25:52.919
<v Speaker 3>we see Billy's like teenage sixteen year old bedroom and

0:25:52.960 --> 0:25:56.800
<v Speaker 3>we get like a carry poster, we get the craft still.

0:25:59.320 --> 0:26:00.959
<v Speaker 5>A badget exactly.

0:26:01.520 --> 0:26:03.720
<v Speaker 3>You know he's got even there's even like a sow

0:26:03.800 --> 0:26:04.760
<v Speaker 3>poster up there.

0:26:04.800 --> 0:26:10.720
<v Speaker 5>He's having a lot of dark, exciting memories. Also very.

0:26:12.040 --> 0:26:15.360
<v Speaker 3>Like correct for this character. We see a trans Live

0:26:15.440 --> 0:26:20.119
<v Speaker 3>Matter poster in the background. There's also an Evanescence poster

0:26:20.240 --> 0:26:24.520
<v Speaker 3>which was hilarious and very important. A Lorna wo tour

0:26:24.600 --> 0:26:27.240
<v Speaker 3>poster who is Alice Wu's mom, who recorded the most

0:26:27.280 --> 0:26:31.480
<v Speaker 3>famous version of The Witch's Road. So lots of fun

0:26:31.520 --> 0:26:34.879
<v Speaker 3>stuff here, and I really like these two together. I

0:26:34.880 --> 0:26:37.320
<v Speaker 3>think this is a fantastic bit of casting.

0:26:37.880 --> 0:26:41.480
<v Speaker 1>On the date, Billy can hear that Eddie wants to

0:26:41.520 --> 0:26:46.640
<v Speaker 1>tell him that he loves him. They kiss, and then

0:26:47.119 --> 0:26:50.520
<v Speaker 1>Billy admits to Eddie that things have not been the

0:26:50.520 --> 0:26:52.480
<v Speaker 1>same since the car crash. He feels like he's a

0:26:52.480 --> 0:26:56.240
<v Speaker 1>different person ever since that day. Eddie wants to here more,

0:26:56.280 --> 0:26:59.720
<v Speaker 1>so they go back to his house, and at his

0:26:59.760 --> 0:27:03.320
<v Speaker 1>house us up in the room, the aforementioned room. Billy

0:27:03.720 --> 0:27:09.160
<v Speaker 1>lays out the evidence that he's collected over these years

0:27:09.359 --> 0:27:13.520
<v Speaker 1>that he's been investigating what happened to him, and he

0:27:13.680 --> 0:27:16.440
<v Speaker 1>believes it all starts with the anomaly. Shows them the

0:27:16.520 --> 0:27:19.439
<v Speaker 1>video of the anomaly. There's probably lots of video of

0:27:19.480 --> 0:27:20.760
<v Speaker 1>it on the internet.

0:27:20.640 --> 0:27:23.560
<v Speaker 5>And he sees Run's and he's.

0:27:25.240 --> 0:27:26.200
<v Speaker 2>All right.

0:27:26.280 --> 0:27:29.800
<v Speaker 1>Also because Eddie's like, I get it's clear that the

0:27:29.840 --> 0:27:32.560
<v Speaker 1>common story is that the story that's out there is

0:27:32.960 --> 0:27:38.240
<v Speaker 1>this was an Avengers training accident. Yeah, but Billy is like, no,

0:27:38.400 --> 0:27:39.960
<v Speaker 1>this is magic looking at yeah.

0:27:40.000 --> 0:27:44.479
<v Speaker 3>And also the video includes an ad for Jen, another

0:27:44.560 --> 0:27:47.159
<v Speaker 3>of the Witches coven, so we're getting more implications that

0:27:47.600 --> 0:27:52.320
<v Speaker 3>anna also very interesting is like he says that nobody

0:27:52.320 --> 0:27:54.480
<v Speaker 3>who is in Westview wants to talk about it.

0:27:54.600 --> 0:27:54.760
<v Speaker 2>Now.

0:27:54.800 --> 0:27:58.200
<v Speaker 3>Billy lives in Eastview, which is like where Billy Kaplan

0:27:58.240 --> 0:28:00.040
<v Speaker 3>and his family lived. And I just thought that it

0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:02.919
<v Speaker 3>was an interesting note because we saw how kind of

0:28:03.000 --> 0:28:06.600
<v Speaker 3>accepting all the residents of west you were of Agatha

0:28:06.640 --> 0:28:09.240
<v Speaker 3>and just letting her live there in her own like

0:28:09.359 --> 0:28:11.160
<v Speaker 3>tiny hex kind of compassionately.

0:28:11.400 --> 0:28:13.560
<v Speaker 5>But they're obviously like quite a close knit group.

0:28:13.960 --> 0:28:17.600
<v Speaker 6>But luckily he has found somebody on Reddit whose name,

0:28:17.680 --> 0:28:19.760
<v Speaker 6>by the way, I don't know how this got through

0:28:19.760 --> 0:28:25.000
<v Speaker 6>the Disney Plus kind of His name is Bonerific sixty nine.

0:28:25.119 --> 0:28:26.200
<v Speaker 5>That's his Reddit name.

0:28:26.480 --> 0:28:30.680
<v Speaker 1>That's incredible, but it's honestly very Reddit. So they go

0:28:30.800 --> 0:28:36.760
<v Speaker 1>to meet this guy billion Eddie, and you know, he's

0:28:36.760 --> 0:28:39.080
<v Speaker 1>in a trench coat, he's wearing a bucket hat with

0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:40.080
<v Speaker 1>like a I thought.

0:28:39.880 --> 0:28:42.400
<v Speaker 5>It was going to be like Randall Wu, I was,

0:28:42.920 --> 0:28:45.000
<v Speaker 5>I mean, Jimmy Wu. I was not sure who it

0:28:45.000 --> 0:28:45.440
<v Speaker 5>was going to be.

0:28:45.600 --> 0:28:47.400
<v Speaker 2>I did not know who it was going to be.

0:28:47.680 --> 0:28:51.600
<v Speaker 1>And it turns out that it is survivor of Westview himself,

0:28:51.720 --> 0:28:57.200
<v Speaker 1>Ralph Boner whose appearance in Wana Vision was controversial.

0:28:57.080 --> 0:28:59.440
<v Speaker 2>And its own way and hilarious.

0:28:59.800 --> 0:29:02.880
<v Speaker 1>And this this is like one of the most comic

0:29:02.920 --> 0:29:07.640
<v Speaker 1>book moves in a Marvel television show yet, because this

0:29:07.720 --> 0:29:09.920
<v Speaker 1>is like what they do in comics. They take a

0:29:10.000 --> 0:29:13.160
<v Speaker 1>character that is like, people didn't know how to feel

0:29:13.240 --> 0:29:16.000
<v Speaker 1>about it, maybe it didn't go over super weird, you

0:29:16.000 --> 0:29:19.160
<v Speaker 1>didn't see it again, see that person again, and they

0:29:19.560 --> 0:29:22.760
<v Speaker 1>build it into storyline of it. And here's what they also.

0:29:22.720 --> 0:29:26.320
<v Speaker 6>Bring him back like dark and gritty and like and

0:29:26.360 --> 0:29:29.040
<v Speaker 6>you take a character like three D Man and you're like, okay,

0:29:29.040 --> 0:29:31.960
<v Speaker 6>but now he's like the only one who can see scrolls.

0:29:31.560 --> 0:29:33.600
<v Speaker 5>You know. And this is very much in that vein

0:29:33.640 --> 0:29:34.560
<v Speaker 5>where now.

0:29:34.760 --> 0:29:38.719
<v Speaker 3>Rick Joe, Yeah, sweet Ralph Boner is now like this

0:29:38.920 --> 0:29:43.120
<v Speaker 3>paranoid kind of conspiracy theorist, but it's not a conspiracy.

0:29:43.120 --> 0:29:45.600
<v Speaker 3>He knows what really happened in Westview and and he

0:29:45.680 --> 0:29:47.920
<v Speaker 3>is gonna tell them, though he wants to know first.

0:29:48.000 --> 0:29:49.120
<v Speaker 5>Are they wearing wires?

0:29:49.360 --> 0:29:49.800
<v Speaker 2>That's right.

0:29:50.480 --> 0:29:54.880
<v Speaker 1>So they have this conversation and he Ralph doesn't really

0:29:54.920 --> 0:29:55.720
<v Speaker 1>give them much.

0:29:56.120 --> 0:29:58.640
<v Speaker 2>He explains basically what.

0:29:58.560 --> 0:30:02.320
<v Speaker 1>It was like to be in the Wanda HECKX in Westview,

0:30:02.320 --> 0:30:04.560
<v Speaker 1>that it was like watching yourself on TV, but the

0:30:04.560 --> 0:30:07.000
<v Speaker 1>TV show is happening in your own head. It was

0:30:07.120 --> 0:30:08.720
<v Speaker 1>very strange, It was very troubling.

0:30:09.760 --> 0:30:12.880
<v Speaker 2>Billy asks like, are you changed now? Do you have powers?

0:30:12.920 --> 0:30:15.240
<v Speaker 1>Basically, Ralph is does not want to talk about that,

0:30:15.320 --> 0:30:17.360
<v Speaker 1>and he does not want interesting that he doesn't want

0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:19.320
<v Speaker 1>to talk about doesn't want to talk about that. And

0:30:20.160 --> 0:30:24.160
<v Speaker 1>Billy can hear by reading Ralph's thoughts that Ralph doesn't

0:30:24.200 --> 0:30:27.280
<v Speaker 1>want to talk about Agatha Harkness. So of course Billy

0:30:27.360 --> 0:30:29.719
<v Speaker 1>asks about her, and he says he did you know,

0:30:29.920 --> 0:30:32.720
<v Speaker 1>Ralph blurts out, she's an ancient witch and you know,

0:30:32.920 --> 0:30:36.240
<v Speaker 1>very dangerous, and then he starts to bringing which repellent.

0:30:36.200 --> 0:30:38.959
<v Speaker 2>She just show up? Now?

0:30:40.080 --> 0:30:42.920
<v Speaker 1>Ralph agrees to tell them more, but for extra money.

0:30:42.920 --> 0:30:44.480
<v Speaker 1>They have to pay a little extra and so then

0:30:44.520 --> 0:30:47.320
<v Speaker 1>he tells them that he had it the worst of

0:30:47.440 --> 0:30:51.400
<v Speaker 1>anyone in Westview because Agatha hijacked his life, made him

0:30:51.440 --> 0:30:53.320
<v Speaker 1>do all these things that he didn't want to do,

0:30:53.440 --> 0:30:58.719
<v Speaker 1>made her puppet, stole his house, tank the value of

0:30:58.760 --> 0:30:59.240
<v Speaker 1>the house.

0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:04.280
<v Speaker 5>She thought he thought she was his wife, right, and

0:31:04.400 --> 0:31:05.880
<v Speaker 5>really he was hypuppet.

0:31:06.480 --> 0:31:10.760
<v Speaker 3>He was her familiar, yeah, exactly, and he was also

0:31:11.440 --> 0:31:15.720
<v Speaker 3>the one is revealed who killed Sparky the dog, so

0:31:16.040 --> 0:31:18.480
<v Speaker 3>he was really made to do awful things.

0:31:19.280 --> 0:31:20.200
<v Speaker 2>Pay attention to.

0:31:20.120 --> 0:31:24.280
<v Speaker 1>This interaction because I believe that it is important just

0:31:24.360 --> 0:31:27.120
<v Speaker 1>in the way that it describes the relationship that a

0:31:27.120 --> 0:31:29.360
<v Speaker 1>person under a spell might have with the person who

0:31:29.400 --> 0:31:34.400
<v Speaker 1>casts the spell human in a which anyway. Billy then

0:31:34.440 --> 0:31:38.280
<v Speaker 1>finds out from Ralph that Wanda had kids. Wanta Envision

0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:42.400
<v Speaker 1>had kids, twins Billy who can read minds and Tommy

0:31:42.440 --> 0:31:45.760
<v Speaker 1>the Speakster. This shakes Billy because again Billy doesn't have

0:31:45.840 --> 0:31:50.840
<v Speaker 1>his full memories the twins disappeared. Ralph tells them Wanda

0:31:51.000 --> 0:31:52.520
<v Speaker 1>is probably dead.

0:31:52.680 --> 0:31:54.480
<v Speaker 2>He's pretty sure she's dead.

0:31:54.560 --> 0:31:57.840
<v Speaker 5>Because that's probably what was reported that vision.

0:31:58.360 --> 0:32:02.160
<v Speaker 1>Word on the street is that he's with getting dissected,

0:32:02.200 --> 0:32:06.760
<v Speaker 1>which we know is true. And then he says Agatha, meanwhile,

0:32:07.000 --> 0:32:09.040
<v Speaker 1>is still in Westview under some kind of spell. She

0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:13.400
<v Speaker 1>doesn't have powers. Billy says, great, that means she's harmless.

0:32:14.960 --> 0:32:17.800
<v Speaker 1>Billy goes home. Parents want to hang out and watch Netflix,

0:32:17.800 --> 0:32:20.120
<v Speaker 1>but Billy says he has to Word or Disney Plus,

0:32:20.120 --> 0:32:22.800
<v Speaker 1>probably a Disney Plus or Hula.

0:32:22.880 --> 0:32:25.520
<v Speaker 3>They want to watch a body horror that's elevated, so

0:32:25.640 --> 0:32:33.360
<v Speaker 3>it's elevated, Billy.

0:32:30.000 --> 0:32:33.560
<v Speaker 1>Continues to do more research. He goes upstairs and starts googling.

0:32:33.600 --> 0:32:37.360
<v Speaker 1>He puts Ralph's statements into his investigative file. He examines

0:32:37.400 --> 0:32:40.200
<v Speaker 1>the sigil tile that he still does not know what

0:32:40.240 --> 0:32:43.240
<v Speaker 1>that is. He googles Agatha. He eventually comes up with

0:32:43.960 --> 0:32:46.600
<v Speaker 1>a picture of Agatha that's like a very old like

0:32:46.680 --> 0:32:50.200
<v Speaker 1>Daghea type, and then he matches that with very similar

0:32:50.200 --> 0:32:51.840
<v Speaker 1>looking women throughout history.

0:32:52.240 --> 0:32:54.719
<v Speaker 3>You know when you find people are always finding like

0:32:55.120 --> 0:32:58.920
<v Speaker 3>portraits of Keanu Reeves right throughout history. It's that kind

0:32:58.960 --> 0:33:01.040
<v Speaker 3>of thing. But this time it's just the trick of

0:33:01.080 --> 0:33:04.160
<v Speaker 3>the eye. This time she really has been around in

0:33:04.200 --> 0:33:05.120
<v Speaker 3>the whole time.

0:33:05.600 --> 0:33:09.560
<v Speaker 1>As he's listening to Alice's mom's recording of the Witch's Road,

0:33:10.040 --> 0:33:14.840
<v Speaker 1>he begins to piece together different facts about AGA's life.

0:33:14.840 --> 0:33:17.760
<v Speaker 1>That she murdered her coven, that she's the only survivor

0:33:17.800 --> 0:33:22.800
<v Speaker 1>of the Witch's Road, and some other stuff that I forget.

0:33:23.280 --> 0:33:25.280
<v Speaker 1>Billy then makes a decision that he's going to go

0:33:25.360 --> 0:33:28.280
<v Speaker 1>visit Agatha, so he drives to Westview. He brings his

0:33:28.320 --> 0:33:32.360
<v Speaker 1>little spell book that he's been marking up, looks up

0:33:32.360 --> 0:33:35.560
<v Speaker 1>a release spell which is going to be an important

0:33:35.640 --> 0:33:39.560
<v Speaker 1>item to kind of get Agatha to remember who she is.

0:33:40.120 --> 0:33:42.600
<v Speaker 1>And after exchanging texts with Eddie, he goes inside and

0:33:42.640 --> 0:33:45.440
<v Speaker 1>we see that we've seen the rest from her perspective, right,

0:33:45.480 --> 0:33:46.040
<v Speaker 1>this is when.

0:33:45.920 --> 0:33:51.240
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and missus the detective funny to see it from

0:33:51.320 --> 0:33:55.960
<v Speaker 6>his perspective because it's very interesting. Well, I will say here,

0:33:56.400 --> 0:34:00.000
<v Speaker 6>so he we. He goes, he breaks into the house.

0:34:00.280 --> 0:34:03.920
<v Speaker 3>He's gonna get her broach, the famous brooch that was

0:34:03.920 --> 0:34:06.320
<v Speaker 3>the thing that basically let a lot of us know

0:34:06.360 --> 0:34:10.759
<v Speaker 3>that she was even gonna be Agatha Harkness. Interestingly, we

0:34:10.880 --> 0:34:15.520
<v Speaker 3>see Agatha arguing with who we know is Rio, but

0:34:15.600 --> 0:34:18.080
<v Speaker 3>we don't see Rio at any point in this.

0:34:18.400 --> 0:34:20.600
<v Speaker 5>It looks like Agatha is talking to herself.

0:34:21.360 --> 0:34:24.680
<v Speaker 3>He rummages for the personal item, he gets that, he

0:34:24.760 --> 0:34:28.919
<v Speaker 3>manages to get the the brooch and does and does

0:34:28.920 --> 0:34:34.319
<v Speaker 3>a spell and he's chasing and interestingly, we then get

0:34:34.360 --> 0:34:37.839
<v Speaker 3>to see one of the funniest scenes in the.

0:34:37.840 --> 0:34:38.799
<v Speaker 5>MCU so far.

0:34:38.960 --> 0:34:40.640
<v Speaker 3>Will go as far to say that this is like

0:34:41.360 --> 0:34:44.840
<v Speaker 3>Avengers eating Schwama level as I think will go down kind.

0:34:44.719 --> 0:34:46.680
<v Speaker 5>Of as iconic when Billy.

0:34:46.920 --> 0:34:50.560
<v Speaker 6>When we see the interrogation from Billy's perspective, it is

0:34:50.920 --> 0:34:53.520
<v Speaker 6>so funny because.

0:34:53.280 --> 0:34:55.680
<v Speaker 5>He she does not know what she's talking about.

0:34:56.080 --> 0:34:59.520
<v Speaker 3>He is just in her house and it is so

0:34:59.600 --> 0:35:02.080
<v Speaker 3>hilariou and I think they played it exactly right where

0:35:02.080 --> 0:35:04.920
<v Speaker 3>they they give us a little more of what he

0:35:05.000 --> 0:35:06.640
<v Speaker 3>was going through before we get to the part where

0:35:06.680 --> 0:35:09.160
<v Speaker 3>he realized what was going on and started to unravel

0:35:09.200 --> 0:35:11.640
<v Speaker 3>her spell, which is when she shows him the dead

0:35:11.680 --> 0:35:14.400
<v Speaker 3>bodies that are actually just like flowers and kind of

0:35:14.440 --> 0:35:17.560
<v Speaker 3>flower beds from around Westvieed. But this was so funny,

0:35:18.200 --> 0:35:22.400
<v Speaker 3>and yeah, he is just like what are you talking about?

0:35:22.600 --> 0:35:22.799
<v Speaker 2>Right?

0:35:22.960 --> 0:35:25.920
<v Speaker 1>So these are wonderful moments actually where Catherine Hahn, you

0:35:25.960 --> 0:35:27.960
<v Speaker 1>can tell that a lot of this was improvised, because

0:35:28.120 --> 0:35:32.840
<v Speaker 1>oh yes, like there's moments where her like it's clear

0:35:33.200 --> 0:35:35.560
<v Speaker 1>that that they.

0:35:35.400 --> 0:35:37.080
<v Speaker 2>Are about to break, like.

0:35:37.080 --> 0:35:39.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Like it's like watching SNL

0:35:39.880 --> 0:35:42.520
<v Speaker 3>when they're doing a good skit and everyone's like trying

0:35:42.560 --> 0:35:43.680
<v Speaker 3>really hard not to laugh.

0:35:43.719 --> 0:35:45.040
<v Speaker 5>There is definitely a lot of that.

0:35:45.320 --> 0:35:48.080
<v Speaker 3>Also, I have to say, I maybe I was just

0:35:48.200 --> 0:35:50.520
<v Speaker 3>slow and feel free to tell me that in the discord,

0:35:50.520 --> 0:35:56.360
<v Speaker 3>but like I didn't realize that Billy was the one

0:35:56.440 --> 0:36:01.120
<v Speaker 3>who broke Agatha out of being in one to spell.

0:36:01.239 --> 0:36:03.680
<v Speaker 3>I just assumed it was Rio or I assumed there

0:36:03.719 --> 0:36:07.840
<v Speaker 3>was some kind of you know, revelation, you know, when

0:36:07.880 --> 0:36:09.960
<v Speaker 3>she threw the pictures on the table. But I thought

0:36:09.960 --> 0:36:12.279
<v Speaker 3>it was really cool to see it from this perspective

0:36:12.320 --> 0:36:14.800
<v Speaker 3>and see that it was actually Billy who kind of

0:36:14.840 --> 0:36:15.480
<v Speaker 3>broke her.

0:36:15.360 --> 0:36:18.560
<v Speaker 5>Out, and that shows his power.

0:36:19.040 --> 0:36:21.680
<v Speaker 1>I think it was unclear before this, but yeah, it

0:36:21.760 --> 0:36:25.200
<v Speaker 1>shows that he does have some juice.

0:36:25.760 --> 0:36:28.320
<v Speaker 5>So and then.

0:36:29.840 --> 0:36:32.520
<v Speaker 1>Right after Billy chance to spell releases her, she kind

0:36:32.560 --> 0:36:35.279
<v Speaker 1>of like sees her house with new eyes and then

0:36:35.320 --> 0:36:38.920
<v Speaker 1>she asks who he is and he now we see

0:36:38.960 --> 0:36:42.200
<v Speaker 1>from the other side that first he says, I'm William Kaplan.

0:36:42.280 --> 0:36:44.080
<v Speaker 1>She doesn't buy it. She comes in es, who are

0:36:44.160 --> 0:36:46.480
<v Speaker 1>you really? He says, Billy Maximov.

0:36:46.239 --> 0:36:49.080
<v Speaker 5>And that's what is banned with the sigil, right.

0:36:49.200 --> 0:36:52.600
<v Speaker 1>We see it as him saying it, but from her perspective,

0:36:52.680 --> 0:36:55.680
<v Speaker 1>she can't hear it. Yeah, so from her, we're watching

0:36:55.680 --> 0:36:58.920
<v Speaker 1>it from his perspective. We go to the road in

0:36:58.960 --> 0:37:02.000
<v Speaker 1>the in the continueuation of the story from the previous episode,

0:37:02.040 --> 0:37:04.719
<v Speaker 1>Agatha crawls out of the swamp with a rise.

0:37:05.040 --> 0:37:07.719
<v Speaker 5>She just handily had it so funny. She's like, you

0:37:07.719 --> 0:37:09.400
<v Speaker 5>are no killing man. This mud swamp.

0:37:09.960 --> 0:37:12.600
<v Speaker 1>She crawls up to Billy Billy's looking at the tile.

0:37:12.680 --> 0:37:14.640
<v Speaker 1>He's turning it over his hand. He crushes it.

0:37:14.640 --> 0:37:14.960
<v Speaker 2>It's gone.

0:37:15.000 --> 0:37:17.080
<v Speaker 1>He doesn't need it anymore, it doesn't bind him anymore.

0:37:17.600 --> 0:37:23.799
<v Speaker 1>Agatha confronts him. Uh, she doesn't buy this whole. I'm

0:37:23.800 --> 0:37:26.480
<v Speaker 1>disinterested in being a witch. I'm just here for a

0:37:26.520 --> 0:37:29.600
<v Speaker 1>specific kind of personal reason. I don't want power.

0:37:30.640 --> 0:37:31.040
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

0:37:31.120 --> 0:37:34.840
<v Speaker 1>And in fact, we know that previously he had said

0:37:35.080 --> 0:37:37.960
<v Speaker 1>I just need power. That's why he was wanted to

0:37:38.000 --> 0:37:39.960
<v Speaker 1>go with her on the Witch's Road, So we know

0:37:40.080 --> 0:37:43.200
<v Speaker 1>that's not the true. That's not true. And in fact,

0:37:43.239 --> 0:37:45.040
<v Speaker 1>she says, and whether this is true or not, we

0:37:45.160 --> 0:37:48.799
<v Speaker 1>can debate that she always suspected who he was. She

0:37:48.840 --> 0:37:51.479
<v Speaker 1>always kind of had an inkling that he was one

0:37:51.520 --> 0:37:55.279
<v Speaker 1>of the sons, particularly Billy Masmof. She says, it's nice

0:37:55.320 --> 0:37:58.200
<v Speaker 1>to see him again. She uses his name. He realizes

0:37:58.600 --> 0:38:00.480
<v Speaker 1>that he can say his name in it, she can

0:38:00.920 --> 0:38:03.840
<v Speaker 1>recognize it. She says, well, it's too bad that you

0:38:03.960 --> 0:38:06.480
<v Speaker 1>killed Lily and Jin, you know, but what can you do?

0:38:07.239 --> 0:38:07.520
<v Speaker 7>Uh.

0:38:08.000 --> 0:38:09.280
<v Speaker 2>Agatha is like kind.

0:38:09.120 --> 0:38:11.319
<v Speaker 1>Of lording this over him, like you are you you're

0:38:11.320 --> 0:38:14.600
<v Speaker 1>pretending not a witch, You're not a survivor, but which

0:38:14.640 --> 0:38:16.640
<v Speaker 1>is a survivors and sometimes they have to do stuff

0:38:16.680 --> 0:38:19.640
<v Speaker 1>like this. Uh, and she's like, I don't even remember

0:38:19.640 --> 0:38:23.359
<v Speaker 1>how many people I've killed. Agatha then wants to know,

0:38:23.400 --> 0:38:25.360
<v Speaker 1>like where'd you get this fresh body? Like this is

0:38:25.440 --> 0:38:28.200
<v Speaker 1>very interesting, Like where did you that? You know, like,

0:38:28.280 --> 0:38:30.399
<v Speaker 1>you don't feel bad about what you had to do.

0:38:30.520 --> 0:38:33.640
<v Speaker 1>You saw your opportunity to escape and to survive, and

0:38:33.680 --> 0:38:34.080
<v Speaker 1>you did it.

0:38:34.120 --> 0:38:36.439
<v Speaker 2>And surviving by any means necessary is what a witch does.

0:38:36.719 --> 0:38:42.440
<v Speaker 1>That's interesting because because this tells us I think that, uh,

0:38:42.480 --> 0:38:47.240
<v Speaker 1>there's no Mephisto involvement, that Billy, as the anomaly was shrinking,

0:38:47.280 --> 0:38:50.600
<v Speaker 1>decided that he wanted to live and did this.

0:38:51.000 --> 0:38:53.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, yeah, jumped into Also, I would put it

0:38:53.960 --> 0:38:56.240
<v Speaker 3>out there. This is like, I think it's worth saying.

0:38:57.000 --> 0:38:59.880
<v Speaker 3>Is this something that Wanda did in her final moment?

0:39:00.160 --> 0:39:01.560
<v Speaker 5>Did she kind of send you?

0:39:01.560 --> 0:39:02.200
<v Speaker 4>I don't think so.

0:39:02.400 --> 0:39:03.840
<v Speaker 5>The boys.

0:39:03.440 --> 0:39:07.320
<v Speaker 3>Was it just old Billy who just felt that power

0:39:07.400 --> 0:39:09.600
<v Speaker 3>to live and it was just in this moment that

0:39:09.800 --> 0:39:12.840
<v Speaker 3>was the crash he found the body and it was

0:39:12.920 --> 0:39:13.840
<v Speaker 3>kind of fateful.

0:39:14.160 --> 0:39:16.279
<v Speaker 1>I think it was all Billy. I think it was

0:39:16.320 --> 0:39:18.120
<v Speaker 1>all Billy. I don't think Wanda had anything to do

0:39:18.200 --> 0:39:18.520
<v Speaker 1>with it.

0:39:19.080 --> 0:39:19.480
<v Speaker 2>So he.

0:39:21.280 --> 0:39:25.680
<v Speaker 1>Tries to use his power and make a show of force,

0:39:25.760 --> 0:39:28.920
<v Speaker 1>but he can't. He says, whatever, it's still there, and

0:39:29.000 --> 0:39:32.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't need your help walking the road, Agatha wonders,

0:39:32.920 --> 0:39:34.399
<v Speaker 1>it's like, what do you want from the road?

0:39:34.400 --> 0:39:37.439
<v Speaker 5>What do you we max him off from those?

0:39:39.080 --> 0:39:42.280
<v Speaker 1>She goes through the things, the people that could possibly

0:39:42.320 --> 0:39:47.359
<v Speaker 1>be Mom obviously not want to know vision no, but

0:39:47.520 --> 0:39:49.959
<v Speaker 1>maybe it's the brother Toby, and he's like Tommy, Yes,

0:39:50.200 --> 0:39:55.360
<v Speaker 1>it's Tommy, very clear, right, that's what he wants.

0:39:55.719 --> 0:39:58.000
<v Speaker 5>I think that's the most emotional choice.

0:39:58.520 --> 0:40:01.880
<v Speaker 1>And then she walks off with Adam saying, last one

0:40:02.080 --> 0:40:03.800
<v Speaker 1>there isn't at the end of the road is a

0:40:03.880 --> 0:40:07.480
<v Speaker 1>nice person, and Billy goes off after her, saying I'm

0:40:07.520 --> 0:40:08.320
<v Speaker 1>not that nice.

0:40:08.440 --> 0:40:11.839
<v Speaker 5>So wow, here's my.

0:40:12.200 --> 0:40:14.960
<v Speaker 1>This is here's my theory of what's happened. It's a

0:40:15.040 --> 0:40:21.480
<v Speaker 1>usual suspects where the person that you think is the

0:40:22.920 --> 0:40:27.120
<v Speaker 1>weak person is actually the villain the hero, but like

0:40:27.160 --> 0:40:28.120
<v Speaker 1>the main drive.

0:40:28.000 --> 0:40:32.640
<v Speaker 3>The mast also the person who is potentially puppeteering the

0:40:32.719 --> 0:40:36.880
<v Speaker 3>story because even whether he knows it not, because the

0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:40.600
<v Speaker 3>truth is Jen Lilia Alice, we.

0:40:40.480 --> 0:40:44.279
<v Speaker 5>All know that Sharon with your car Sharon who with

0:40:44.280 --> 0:40:44.760
<v Speaker 5>a colleague.

0:40:44.760 --> 0:40:50.919
<v Speaker 3>They had connections to Billy before this, and Agatha had

0:40:50.960 --> 0:40:56.600
<v Speaker 3>a connection to Billy maxim Off because she had been

0:40:56.880 --> 0:40:58.839
<v Speaker 3>his baby, saying as she had kind of hung out

0:40:58.880 --> 0:41:02.400
<v Speaker 3>with him in this messed up hex of Westview.

0:41:02.840 --> 0:41:05.319
<v Speaker 5>So yes, Billy's definitely the main here.

0:41:05.760 --> 0:41:11.440
<v Speaker 6>I feel personally that they are still giving Agatha her

0:41:11.520 --> 0:41:14.720
<v Speaker 6>time to shine, and I think Catherine.

0:41:14.040 --> 0:41:16.319
<v Speaker 5>And Joe Locke are so good together here.

0:41:16.360 --> 0:41:19.120
<v Speaker 3>So I'm very interested to see where we go next

0:41:19.120 --> 0:41:21.680
<v Speaker 3>three episodes, but only two weeks to go, because the

0:41:21.680 --> 0:41:25.280
<v Speaker 3>next episode is going to play episode seven by itself

0:41:25.320 --> 0:41:28.400
<v Speaker 3>on Wednesday night as usual, but then on the thirtieth

0:41:28.520 --> 0:41:30.920
<v Speaker 3>of October, the day before Halloween, we will get the

0:41:30.920 --> 0:41:33.680
<v Speaker 3>final two episodes together, which I think is very exciting.

0:41:34.040 --> 0:41:36.320
<v Speaker 5>I did not see them bringing back Evan Peters.

0:41:36.400 --> 0:41:39.840
<v Speaker 3>I thought he was fantastic, So I love that and

0:41:39.880 --> 0:41:43.520
<v Speaker 3>I think it definitely opens up the space for more

0:41:43.640 --> 0:41:48.719
<v Speaker 3>big cameos in the final two episodes. Biggest question is

0:41:50.040 --> 0:41:53.400
<v Speaker 3>we have not had any casting news about Tommy, So

0:41:53.640 --> 0:41:56.279
<v Speaker 3>do you think we're gonna get Tommy in the last

0:41:56.280 --> 0:41:57.160
<v Speaker 3>three episodes.

0:41:57.600 --> 0:41:59.640
<v Speaker 1>I think we have to write or or at least

0:41:59.680 --> 0:42:01.759
<v Speaker 1>we get direction of or at least we get a

0:42:01.760 --> 0:42:02.960
<v Speaker 1>direction of where Tommy is.

0:42:03.160 --> 0:42:05.560
<v Speaker 3>Maybe it was just a little costing they were able

0:42:05.600 --> 0:42:08.480
<v Speaker 3>to keep quiet because like everyone was asking about Billy

0:42:08.640 --> 0:42:11.920
<v Speaker 3>and Joe Lock so obviously evokes Billy in the comics.

0:42:12.400 --> 0:42:15.200
<v Speaker 1>So I want to return to what Ralph the way

0:42:15.280 --> 0:42:19.320
<v Speaker 1>Ralph described his life under the power of Agatha Harkness,

0:42:19.320 --> 0:42:21.719
<v Speaker 1>because I think that that's what's happening to her, and

0:42:21.760 --> 0:42:25.880
<v Speaker 1>it's Billy doing it. I think everything that she's experiencing

0:42:28.120 --> 0:42:30.719
<v Speaker 1>is I think Billy. I think it's very possible that

0:42:30.760 --> 0:42:33.920
<v Speaker 1>Billy is pulling all of these strings. The question that is,

0:42:33.920 --> 0:42:35.799
<v Speaker 1>why does he need her? Probably because she's the only

0:42:35.840 --> 0:42:38.280
<v Speaker 1>one who's ever walked the road, so he needs someone

0:42:38.400 --> 0:42:41.480
<v Speaker 1>to like meet shield him as they go all the

0:42:41.520 --> 0:42:46.080
<v Speaker 1>way to the end. He's never done it before. That said,

0:42:45.800 --> 0:42:49.960
<v Speaker 1>I think it's I think it's her under his power

0:42:51.000 --> 0:42:53.280
<v Speaker 1>and not the other way around.

0:42:53.520 --> 0:42:56.279
<v Speaker 3>I think that's very interesting and also does make sense

0:42:56.280 --> 0:43:01.400
<v Speaker 3>when you look back at like when he was in

0:43:01.480 --> 0:43:05.480
<v Speaker 3>the house and everyone else was downstairs singing the song

0:43:05.680 --> 0:43:09.960
<v Speaker 3>to open up the Witch's Road, he was upstairs and that's.

0:43:09.760 --> 0:43:11.080
<v Speaker 5>When the Salem seven came.

0:43:11.719 --> 0:43:13.919
<v Speaker 3>You know, he could be the one who is kind

0:43:13.960 --> 0:43:17.160
<v Speaker 3>of whose magic is powerful enough that they're following, or

0:43:17.200 --> 0:43:19.520
<v Speaker 3>who let them know that Agatha was trying to go

0:43:19.560 --> 0:43:19.880
<v Speaker 3>on the road.

0:43:21.880 --> 0:43:24.160
<v Speaker 5>Exist are they even real things? Or are they just

0:43:24.239 --> 0:43:27.960
<v Speaker 5>something that he can kind of create? Or you know

0:43:28.040 --> 0:43:30.280
<v Speaker 5>what I did see this was in discord. I'm sorry,

0:43:30.320 --> 0:43:31.279
<v Speaker 5>I don't know who said it.

0:43:31.840 --> 0:43:33.840
<v Speaker 3>But I can't recall right now, but it was a

0:43:33.880 --> 0:43:37.319
<v Speaker 3>really good theory where it was like, isn't you know

0:43:37.600 --> 0:43:41.400
<v Speaker 3>is Billy technically like skin walking by being in someone

0:43:41.400 --> 0:43:43.920
<v Speaker 3>else's dead body? So are these the kind of like

0:43:44.400 --> 0:43:47.560
<v Speaker 3>haunted souls who are chasing him? Kind of like what

0:43:47.600 --> 0:43:49.680
<v Speaker 3>we saw in Multiverse of Madness where the souls of

0:43:49.719 --> 0:43:54.680
<v Speaker 3>the damned followed, uh, you know doctor Strange when he

0:43:54.719 --> 0:43:57.960
<v Speaker 3>was in zombie Stranger's body. Obviously slightly different situation, but

0:43:58.000 --> 0:44:01.240
<v Speaker 3>I do think that's interesting. Also, like said, we've seen

0:44:01.360 --> 0:44:05.400
<v Speaker 3>Billy control Lilya and Jen who I have to say,

0:44:06.239 --> 0:44:08.560
<v Speaker 3>if you've seen the mid season trailer Fingers Crossed, we

0:44:08.600 --> 0:44:14.279
<v Speaker 3>will get more of them coming up. They're not really dead. Yeah.

0:44:29.440 --> 0:44:35.080
<v Speaker 5>This episode is also called Familiar by thy Side, which

0:44:35.120 --> 0:44:38.640
<v Speaker 5>does bring up the question of hoops Is hoops familiar?

0:44:38.840 --> 0:44:41.799
<v Speaker 5>Let's bring in super producer Joel Monique, because I know

0:44:41.840 --> 0:44:46.359
<v Speaker 5>you have some familiar thoughts. If you are there, I

0:44:46.400 --> 0:44:47.440
<v Speaker 5>am here, by.

0:44:49.840 --> 0:44:53.600
<v Speaker 8>God's good, is going to try to come in just away?

0:44:53.640 --> 0:44:56.200
<v Speaker 5>You're familiar, Aaron, if you want.

0:44:56.080 --> 0:44:56.360
<v Speaker 6>To come in.

0:44:57.200 --> 0:45:00.000
<v Speaker 8>Corners and questions. Okay, first, before we get to familiar

0:45:00.280 --> 0:45:04.120
<v Speaker 8>I wanted to Rosie the is it Wanda question? I

0:45:04.120 --> 0:45:07.879
<v Speaker 8>have the same thought because when Leah's writing on that tile,

0:45:08.040 --> 0:45:09.640
<v Speaker 8>does it seem as if she has one of her

0:45:09.640 --> 0:45:12.200
<v Speaker 8>dissociative moments for a moment when.

0:45:12.080 --> 0:45:15.680
<v Speaker 5>She comes back and is like I I think so yeah.

0:45:15.360 --> 0:45:19.560
<v Speaker 8>And she's like, hey, kidd of like the now it's

0:45:19.600 --> 0:45:22.359
<v Speaker 8>all you have moment, I'm like, is this Agatha channeling through?

0:45:22.400 --> 0:45:23.120
<v Speaker 2>Can she do that?

0:45:23.520 --> 0:45:25.480
<v Speaker 8>We've seen her dream work but only into herself.

0:45:25.560 --> 0:45:29.919
<v Speaker 1>I was I was wondering, wait, you mean Wanda.

0:45:30.360 --> 0:45:33.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I was actually wondering if what it was was

0:45:33.040 --> 0:45:35.880
<v Speaker 3>that Lilian knew the car crash was going to happen

0:45:36.320 --> 0:45:38.320
<v Speaker 3>and that he was going to be She.

0:45:38.480 --> 0:45:40.319
<v Speaker 1>Looked at the lifeline and knew that he was going

0:45:40.400 --> 0:45:42.560
<v Speaker 1>to die as the lifeline said, you're dying soon.

0:45:42.760 --> 0:45:46.120
<v Speaker 3>So also you're gonna come back. I think she had

0:45:46.120 --> 0:45:49.279
<v Speaker 3>a vision of both. So I definitely was interested. I

0:45:49.320 --> 0:45:52.160
<v Speaker 3>think it would be even though we've seen Wanda go

0:45:52.600 --> 0:45:57.080
<v Speaker 3>full kind of evil. I support her rights and wrongs,

0:45:57.080 --> 0:45:59.640
<v Speaker 3>but obviously in multiverse madness, a lot of people weren't

0:45:59.640 --> 0:46:03.680
<v Speaker 3>happy that version of Wanda. I don't think that they

0:46:03.719 --> 0:46:08.560
<v Speaker 3>will do it where she made the car crash happen,

0:46:08.640 --> 0:46:10.960
<v Speaker 3>which I think could be a read. I don't think

0:46:11.000 --> 0:46:12.840
<v Speaker 3>it's that, but I do think there is a version

0:46:12.840 --> 0:46:17.600
<v Speaker 3>where when she said goodbye to the kids, she like

0:46:17.760 --> 0:46:19.480
<v Speaker 3>kind of put it out into the universe that she

0:46:19.560 --> 0:46:22.040
<v Speaker 3>hoped they could find another body or she hoped they

0:46:22.040 --> 0:46:22.760
<v Speaker 3>could be real.

0:46:23.080 --> 0:46:24.759
<v Speaker 5>And this is a manifestation of that.

0:46:24.920 --> 0:46:27.440
<v Speaker 6>But I like Jason's Reid where it gives Billy the

0:46:27.440 --> 0:46:28.279
<v Speaker 6>full agency.

0:46:28.480 --> 0:46:31.880
<v Speaker 1>I think it's Billy the way Billy says, I'm not

0:46:32.000 --> 0:46:36.640
<v Speaker 1>that nice, Like, yes, okay, he's he is.

0:46:36.840 --> 0:46:40.200
<v Speaker 5>He is pretended to be somebody's son for three years.

0:46:40.640 --> 0:46:43.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like he stole somebody's body. He did what he

0:46:43.880 --> 0:46:47.000
<v Speaker 1>needed to do, just he's not a real person in

0:46:47.040 --> 0:46:50.680
<v Speaker 1>this reality, but he wanted to keep living despite the

0:46:50.719 --> 0:46:53.080
<v Speaker 1>fact that he's not from here. He may not even

0:46:53.120 --> 0:46:55.799
<v Speaker 1>be real, yeah, I think of real, but he wanted

0:46:55.840 --> 0:46:58.680
<v Speaker 1>to keep going and so he did what he had

0:46:58.800 --> 0:46:59.160
<v Speaker 1>to do.

0:46:59.320 --> 0:47:00.759
<v Speaker 2>He's not quote a nice show.

0:47:00.800 --> 0:47:03.360
<v Speaker 8>Okay, so that brings me to my familiar stuff. Okay,

0:47:03.520 --> 0:47:05.759
<v Speaker 8>you could have easily called this episode all that's good

0:47:05.800 --> 0:47:07.360
<v Speaker 8>is bad. I was going through the quotes and I

0:47:07.480 --> 0:47:09.600
<v Speaker 8>was like, I cant geting tripped out because forever. Okay,

0:47:09.640 --> 0:47:13.120
<v Speaker 8>So Agatha has been calling Billy her familiar. Now the

0:47:13.120 --> 0:47:16.080
<v Speaker 8>initial like set of the tone of the show was like, Okay,

0:47:16.440 --> 0:47:19.240
<v Speaker 8>she's joking. She's trying to hide Billy from the other witches.

0:47:19.320 --> 0:47:21.000
<v Speaker 8>She's trying to figure out what his real deal is

0:47:21.040 --> 0:47:23.759
<v Speaker 8>and why this sigil is here. And the other witch

0:47:23.800 --> 0:47:27.239
<v Speaker 8>is sort of joined in on the Oh, yes, you're familiar,

0:47:27.320 --> 0:47:31.279
<v Speaker 8>you're underage, hand drink, you're othered from us. But then

0:47:31.280 --> 0:47:34.359
<v Speaker 8>why call this episode that familiar? By your side? And

0:47:34.400 --> 0:47:36.279
<v Speaker 8>then the last thing we see is these two folks

0:47:36.360 --> 0:47:39.560
<v Speaker 8>walking down the road together. So my question is is

0:47:39.920 --> 0:47:42.960
<v Speaker 8>Billy or Agatha the familiar? That's what I'm trying to

0:47:42.960 --> 0:47:45.480
<v Speaker 8>figure out. So we know Agatha for a while had

0:47:45.520 --> 0:47:47.840
<v Speaker 8>a bunny called Neckless Scratch. You would definitely think of

0:47:47.880 --> 0:47:50.640
<v Speaker 8>that as the familiar. If we look at familiars in

0:47:50.719 --> 0:47:55.279
<v Speaker 8>pop culture history, there's they're typically animals. You think, uh,

0:47:55.680 --> 0:47:59.160
<v Speaker 8>Salem Sabergath from Sapreena, the teenage witch Gig from Kiy's

0:47:59.160 --> 0:48:02.200
<v Speaker 8>Delivery Service, maybe Luna from sailor Moon, lots of kiddies

0:48:02.200 --> 0:48:04.600
<v Speaker 8>the Book of Shadows from hocus Pocus is technically a familiar.

0:48:04.880 --> 0:48:07.439
<v Speaker 8>They do not have to be living beings. A French

0:48:07.440 --> 0:48:08.480
<v Speaker 8>philosopher Peer.

0:48:08.680 --> 0:48:11.400
<v Speaker 5>Even factory ban yeah plays a little bit.

0:48:11.560 --> 0:48:12.839
<v Speaker 2>If you think the little girls.

0:48:12.560 --> 0:48:15.960
<v Speaker 8>Being a witch, that's her familiar for sure. So there's

0:48:16.000 --> 0:48:20.160
<v Speaker 8>a French philosopher Peer Arafard who defined a familiar as

0:48:20.239 --> 0:48:23.120
<v Speaker 8>the spirit is like a double the alter ego of

0:48:23.160 --> 0:48:26.120
<v Speaker 8>an individual. It does not look like the individual concerned.

0:48:26.360 --> 0:48:28.200
<v Speaker 8>Even though it may have an independent life of its own,

0:48:28.239 --> 0:48:31.160
<v Speaker 8>it remains closely linked to the individual. The familiar spirit

0:48:31.880 --> 0:48:33.799
<v Speaker 8>can be an animal, but it doesn't have to be.

0:48:34.480 --> 0:48:37.800
<v Speaker 3>I just I think that that in itself, that description,

0:48:38.360 --> 0:48:42.120
<v Speaker 3>I think that's I would say that Agatha is almost

0:48:42.160 --> 0:48:45.840
<v Speaker 3>certainly Billy's familiar because if you think about this, she

0:48:46.040 --> 0:48:50.000
<v Speaker 3>essentially raised him when he was a kid. She was

0:48:50.080 --> 0:48:54.600
<v Speaker 3>there as like a supportive part indeed of his early life.

0:48:55.320 --> 0:48:57.880
<v Speaker 3>And then now there are two of them on the road,

0:48:58.480 --> 0:49:03.960
<v Speaker 3>and it's almost like of everything that the you know,

0:49:04.040 --> 0:49:06.640
<v Speaker 3>when Billy didn't know who he was, he has drawn

0:49:06.719 --> 0:49:11.560
<v Speaker 3>back to this figure who essentially is like a potential

0:49:11.600 --> 0:49:14.959
<v Speaker 3>Obviously she is dangerous, but she is like a part

0:49:15.040 --> 0:49:18.640
<v Speaker 3>of this old spiritual life that he had. And obviously

0:49:18.640 --> 0:49:21.560
<v Speaker 3>we know he actually has innate power and she doesn't.

0:49:21.680 --> 0:49:25.440
<v Speaker 3>So I do think Agatha is the familiar in this situation.

0:49:25.560 --> 0:49:26.479
<v Speaker 5>Jason, what do you think?

0:49:26.960 --> 0:49:28.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that that's what it is.

0:49:28.520 --> 0:49:32.200
<v Speaker 1>I think all of this is again, I think much

0:49:32.320 --> 0:49:37.000
<v Speaker 1>like his mom, who created a very complex and immersive

0:49:37.040 --> 0:49:40.319
<v Speaker 1>reality without actually knowing that she was actually doing that.

0:49:41.120 --> 0:49:46.719
<v Speaker 1>I think Billy has set this mission up in a

0:49:46.920 --> 0:49:51.680
<v Speaker 1>complete and very comprehensive and complex way with Agatha as

0:49:51.719 --> 0:49:56.080
<v Speaker 1>his dupe, and she doesn't realize it, and he may

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<v Speaker 1>not even fully realize all of the things he's done.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Jen, bringing in Jen, bringing in Alice, bringing

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<v Speaker 2>in Sharon.

0:50:05.840 --> 0:50:08.480
<v Speaker 1>That clearly was I think that was like spur of

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<v Speaker 1>the moment he met these people, ran into them, or

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<v Speaker 1>saw them or encountered them through the Internet, realizing that

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<v Speaker 1>they had some kind of innate a magical history, which history,

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<v Speaker 1>and so he brought them into this. But is that

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<v Speaker 1>a conscious decision? Of his I don't think so. I

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<v Speaker 1>think so, I think that he is doing I think

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<v Speaker 1>he's done this. And I think that Agatha, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>up until she absorbed Alice's power, she was juiceless.

0:50:32.960 --> 0:50:33.840
<v Speaker 5>She was.

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<v Speaker 2>She did not have it.

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<v Speaker 1>She's in her house thinking she's another person. We see

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<v Speaker 1>in the interrogation from Billy's perspective that this thing she

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<v Speaker 1>thought she was doing the whole time, this this interrogation,

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<v Speaker 1>that she thought she was running, she.

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<v Speaker 2>Was not in control of it.

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<v Speaker 1>And he was like, so, I think the one who's

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<v Speaker 1>doing this, he's the one that's doing this.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And him freeing her also puts them in a

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<v Speaker 3>situation where she is essentially in his debt, even if

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<v Speaker 3>she doesn't know it, which is another way of trapping

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<v Speaker 3>a familiar. I also think this is very interesting narratively

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<v Speaker 3>because historically in real witch trials, whether it was in

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<v Speaker 3>Pendle in England or in Salem specifically in Pendul, they

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<v Speaker 3>would really often accuse men who were supportive of the

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<v Speaker 3>witches or involved in their life or brothers, they.

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<v Speaker 5>Would accuse them of being human familiars.

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<v Speaker 6>And essentially saying that they were a human who was

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<v Speaker 6>able to do things that so I like the inversion

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<v Speaker 6>here that potentially Billy is the witch and Agatha could

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<v Speaker 6>be the familiar.

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<v Speaker 5>We should also say that, yeah, yeah, go for it.

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<v Speaker 1>When Lily had that disassociative moment, be you know, she

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<v Speaker 1>reads Billy's palm, I was about to tell them stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>and then she says the tower room, she like kind

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<v Speaker 1>of planks out. You know, there's lots of articles out

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<v Speaker 1>today about the terror verse means it means inevitable change,

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<v Speaker 1>it means upheaval, and the way to say that is chaos.

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<v Speaker 1>She's saying chaos magic. Also, she is a wonder Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Also think about this.

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<v Speaker 3>When Wonder dies, she's at the top of Mount Wondergore,

0:52:11.840 --> 0:52:15.399
<v Speaker 3>and then when it's flattened, the tower is reversed, there's

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<v Speaker 3>no Wonder Gore Rosie.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, So I definitely.

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<v Speaker 3>Think she was foreseeing. She was foreseeing that, she was

0:52:21.719 --> 0:52:24.320
<v Speaker 3>foreseeing it, and like you say, Jason, it's all about

0:52:24.320 --> 0:52:26.520
<v Speaker 3>that chaos magic. Also, I want to put out just

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<v Speaker 3>before we go, I want to put out a final

0:52:28.440 --> 0:52:30.719
<v Speaker 3>theory that someone in the discord said. Again, I'm sorry, guys,

0:52:30.719 --> 0:52:32.239
<v Speaker 3>I need to be better at catching who did this,

0:52:32.280 --> 0:52:35.359
<v Speaker 3>but I am shouting you out. Somebody in the discord, said,

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<v Speaker 3>is Billy's spell book that he has?

0:52:39.560 --> 0:52:40.959
<v Speaker 5>And I love this theory so much.

0:52:41.400 --> 0:52:43.920
<v Speaker 3>Is this the last remaining copy of The Dark Cold

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<v Speaker 3>without it knowing it's the Dark Cold?

0:52:46.520 --> 0:52:46.600
<v Speaker 1>Like?

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<v Speaker 3>Is he able to channel some of those spells, some

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<v Speaker 3>of that chaos magic into.

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<v Speaker 5>This little book? And is that why it's kind of

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<v Speaker 5>so precious and important without the.

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<v Speaker 8>First time that it's printed and not a journal that

0:52:59.719 --> 0:53:03.040
<v Speaker 8>he's been writing in, like I think we thought before

0:53:03.400 --> 0:53:04.799
<v Speaker 8>and I found that really, I'm like, where did you

0:53:04.840 --> 0:53:05.439
<v Speaker 8>get this book?

0:53:05.560 --> 0:53:06.840
<v Speaker 2>Was it just laying around?

0:53:07.000 --> 0:53:07.200
<v Speaker 8>Was that?

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<v Speaker 6>Like?

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<v Speaker 8>I don't think we see the initial connection of him

0:53:09.760 --> 0:53:12.279
<v Speaker 8>and the book? How we found it? And I was like, I.

0:53:12.480 --> 0:53:15.280
<v Speaker 5>Know, it's just like it's just there's a lot.

0:53:15.080 --> 0:53:17.759
<v Speaker 8>Of coincidence in this episode, which makes me think there

0:53:17.760 --> 0:53:20.480
<v Speaker 8>could be a third party in effect at play here,

0:53:20.520 --> 0:53:23.879
<v Speaker 8>because coincidence is wild. So we'll see.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, Aaron, did you have big, the Big, the Big,

0:53:27.200 --> 0:53:29.920
<v Speaker 1>the big broomstone smelling guy with the pitchfork?

0:53:30.680 --> 0:53:32.120
<v Speaker 2>N Billy the.

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<v Speaker 1>Books sometimes in his or put the book in his path, sometimes.

0:53:37.000 --> 0:53:38.680
<v Speaker 8>Back in time and placing books like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Also, I just want to say, guys, what what do

0:53:42.120 --> 0:53:45.040
<v Speaker 3>you guys make of the fact that we never see Rio.

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<v Speaker 9>Like we are before we leave before the familiar thing.

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<v Speaker 9>Oh yeah, please. One thing I just want to ask

0:53:52.640 --> 0:53:57.800
<v Speaker 9>if if anyone has time to do a rewatch listeners, hosts, producers, whatever,

0:53:58.840 --> 0:54:02.440
<v Speaker 9>in specifically in Undreds and Dragons, the familiar acts of

0:54:02.440 --> 0:54:05.239
<v Speaker 9>its own accord, but it has to obey your commands.

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<v Speaker 9>So I'm thinking back to every time Billy has given

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<v Speaker 9>a command to Agatha from as simple as help me

0:54:11.360 --> 0:54:16.359
<v Speaker 9>carry missus Hart through the oven, uh, stop get away

0:54:16.400 --> 0:54:20.480
<v Speaker 9>from Alice. And the other one I thought of was, oh,

0:54:20.520 --> 0:54:23.319
<v Speaker 9>in the interrogation scene in this can we stop with

0:54:23.480 --> 0:54:25.640
<v Speaker 9>the aggressive interrogation.

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<v Speaker 4>All of these things she did.

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<v Speaker 9>She has acted of her own accord in some other instances,

0:54:31.560 --> 0:54:34.239
<v Speaker 9>but every time I can remember her giving him a

0:54:34.239 --> 0:54:36.320
<v Speaker 9>command or him giving her a command.

0:54:36.239 --> 0:54:37.000
<v Speaker 4>She has followed it.

0:54:37.920 --> 0:54:38.919
<v Speaker 5>That's unavable.

0:54:39.040 --> 0:54:41.320
<v Speaker 9>I don't know if there are other things out there

0:54:41.320 --> 0:54:43.840
<v Speaker 9>in the show that I missed, but every time he

0:54:44.040 --> 0:54:47.440
<v Speaker 9>said something to her like that, she So that's that

0:54:47.680 --> 0:54:49.320
<v Speaker 9>kind of bolsters that they're beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>All of which is to say I is dead at

0:54:52.160 --> 0:54:55.879
<v Speaker 1>the end of this right, She's She's fucking gone.

0:54:56.320 --> 0:54:57.200
<v Speaker 5>She has gone on.

0:54:57.480 --> 0:54:59.480
<v Speaker 3>Oh he puts that back in the hecks because he's

0:54:59.480 --> 0:55:02.920
<v Speaker 3>gonna find I don't know, I'm interested to see.

0:55:03.000 --> 0:55:05.560
<v Speaker 1>I think because listen, you're not gonna get You're not

0:55:05.600 --> 0:55:09.800
<v Speaker 1>gonna get Tommy back without a price, right, Like someone's

0:55:09.840 --> 0:55:12.959
<v Speaker 1>gotta go when you get to the end, there's gotta

0:55:13.000 --> 0:55:14.680
<v Speaker 1>be a coin that you pay to get.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing that you want.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's just no one better to fucking hand over

0:55:20.600 --> 0:55:24.239
<v Speaker 1>than than an evil witch who tried to take down

0:55:24.280 --> 0:55:26.200
<v Speaker 1>your mom also failed.

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<v Speaker 3>Just for the hope of the family and the people

0:55:29.640 --> 0:55:33.600
<v Speaker 3>who love Agatha and and the queer people who adore her,

0:55:33.920 --> 0:55:37.920
<v Speaker 3>I would say, if that's the case, don't worry because.

0:55:37.640 --> 0:55:39.000
<v Speaker 5>Like you know, she can come back.

0:55:41.200 --> 0:55:42.879
<v Speaker 8>Like yes, I'm dead, but with my awesome heart.

0:55:43.040 --> 0:55:47.200
<v Speaker 6>I was gonna say, I was gonna say the implications

0:55:47.239 --> 0:55:51.360
<v Speaker 6>and rumors and theories around who Reoverdal really are could

0:55:51.760 --> 0:55:54.359
<v Speaker 6>align with that in a way that would still give

0:55:54.440 --> 0:55:56.920
<v Speaker 6>us a happy, ish quick answer your question.

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<v Speaker 8>You brought it up. We have to talk about it.

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<v Speaker 8>The real thing. She's not there when Billy is talking

0:56:04.200 --> 0:56:07.520
<v Speaker 8>to Agatha. If you go watch the first episode, she's

0:56:07.520 --> 0:56:11.080
<v Speaker 8>definitely in the scene technically behind the glass, so not

0:56:11.239 --> 0:56:14.759
<v Speaker 8>in the room with Agatha. Then I went back and

0:56:14.760 --> 0:56:17.120
<v Speaker 8>I was like, Okay, is it a case of nobody's

0:56:17.120 --> 0:56:19.040
<v Speaker 8>been talking to her? But no, everyone's been reacting when

0:56:19.040 --> 0:56:20.640
<v Speaker 8>they brought her up from the ground, they saw her.

0:56:20.800 --> 0:56:22.879
<v Speaker 8>They've been talking to them the whole time. She does

0:56:22.920 --> 0:56:28.080
<v Speaker 8>disappear in the episode before this, I is so and

0:56:28.239 --> 0:56:30.400
<v Speaker 8>she makes this statement that she hates ghosts. But I'm like,

0:56:30.400 --> 0:56:32.160
<v Speaker 8>are you kind of haunting Agatha?

0:56:32.400 --> 0:56:32.840
<v Speaker 6>Maybe?

0:56:32.880 --> 0:56:35.920
<v Speaker 8>Are you? Are you connecting with her, maybe not physically,

0:56:36.040 --> 0:56:37.920
<v Speaker 8>but more mentally on a spiritual like I found you,

0:56:38.000 --> 0:56:40.200
<v Speaker 8>but I don't have to physically be there to have

0:56:40.280 --> 0:56:42.040
<v Speaker 8>found you. I can talk to you without having to

0:56:42.080 --> 0:56:45.839
<v Speaker 8>physically be present, because even when Billy's looking inside the house,

0:56:45.920 --> 0:56:47.799
<v Speaker 8>we don't see her. It's not like she hid when

0:56:47.800 --> 0:56:48.960
<v Speaker 8>Billy came in or something.

0:56:49.040 --> 0:56:52.040
<v Speaker 5>She's just not there exactly. That's what I'm saying.

0:56:52.719 --> 0:56:54.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I get that's arguing with that, but we don't

0:56:54.520 --> 0:56:58.680
<v Speaker 3>see her. I think that everyone has said episode seven

0:56:58.760 --> 0:57:01.000
<v Speaker 3>is their favorite episode, which is what we're going into,

0:57:01.280 --> 0:57:03.320
<v Speaker 3>so I can expect that we may get some answers

0:57:03.400 --> 0:57:07.319
<v Speaker 3>or hints specifically about Rio and the kind of who

0:57:07.400 --> 0:57:11.640
<v Speaker 3>is really in charge in that next episode, which I

0:57:11.760 --> 0:57:16.480
<v Speaker 3>absolutely cannot wait for because the shows. Yeah, I do

0:57:16.600 --> 0:57:20.400
<v Speaker 3>believe that episode seven is potentially the one where they're

0:57:20.440 --> 0:57:22.920
<v Speaker 3>in costume or where they're in a.

0:57:23.080 --> 0:57:26.440
<v Speaker 5>More kind of mental institute. But we are, we are

0:57:26.480 --> 0:57:27.920
<v Speaker 5>yet we still have screeners.

0:57:28.160 --> 0:57:31.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, we're still waiting on. Here's two things that we're

0:57:31.400 --> 0:57:35.840
<v Speaker 1>definitely gonna get Jen's backstory and yes and lily is backstory.

0:57:36.720 --> 0:57:37.479
<v Speaker 2>We're getting those.

0:57:37.720 --> 0:57:41.120
<v Speaker 1>And you know, we've there's casting for young Lily, so

0:57:41.120 --> 0:57:42.000
<v Speaker 1>one hundred percent we're.

0:57:41.840 --> 0:57:44.000
<v Speaker 3>Getting and we've gotten to see hints of her. It's

0:57:44.040 --> 0:57:46.960
<v Speaker 3>probably going to be some kind of Spanish inquisitions that story.

0:57:47.360 --> 0:57:51.080
<v Speaker 1>So we know that that's happening definitely in the next

0:57:51.080 --> 0:57:51.760
<v Speaker 1>two episodes.

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<v Speaker 9>Also today Friday, October eighteenth, they released the pop version

0:57:57.840 --> 0:58:00.760
<v Speaker 9>of the Witch's Road sung by jap in He's Breakfast.

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<v Speaker 9>It's great, incredible, very interesting take on it.

0:58:03.560 --> 0:58:04.280
<v Speaker 5>I love Japanese.

0:58:04.280 --> 0:58:08.400
<v Speaker 4>Also, we're going to get some pop scene with that.

0:58:08.520 --> 0:58:09.240
<v Speaker 5>I so wow.

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<v Speaker 4>So they did not hire Michelle Zeyer to do a

0:58:12.720 --> 0:58:13.360
<v Speaker 4>version of the song.

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<v Speaker 3>My guess is the finale version of The Witch's Road

0:58:16.640 --> 0:58:21.320
<v Speaker 3>will be sung by Broadway legend Patya. Everyone's everyone's very

0:58:21.320 --> 0:58:23.320
<v Speaker 3>sad about they haven't had her singing a lot.

0:58:23.520 --> 0:58:25.840
<v Speaker 5>I'm guessing that will be a finale version, but yes,

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<v Speaker 5>thank you guys. I love this show. I love talking

0:58:27.640 --> 0:58:29.200
<v Speaker 5>about it. Thank you both for joining us.

0:58:29.640 --> 0:58:30.120
<v Speaker 4>Appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 9>Also shout out to Joe Locke his singing during the

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<v Speaker 9>too Yeah, well done.

0:58:35.480 --> 0:58:36.240
<v Speaker 5>He's amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up next on Extra Vision, the extras are back

0:58:39.200 --> 0:58:41.680
<v Speaker 1>to discuss Arcane Thursday, Rosie and I asked the question,

0:58:41.760 --> 0:58:43.040
<v Speaker 1>is nineteen eighty for the best.

0:58:42.920 --> 0:58:43.560
<v Speaker 2>Year at Heart?

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<v Speaker 1>I think we've agree it's good, but it's not the best.

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<v Speaker 5>Good, but it's not the best.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen to Friday episode, we're reacting to the final installment

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<v Speaker 1>of The Venom The Last Dance.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh Ben.

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<v Speaker 2>Monday, we've got a recap of Penguin one oh six.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it for this episode's extull achuned.

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