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Speaker 1: Hello, My name is Ja Sconcepi and I Mersday Night

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Speaker 1: and welcome back to x ray vision of the podcast

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Speaker 3: your feed. And in today's episode of Extra Vision, which

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Speaker 6: In the previously on Tom Hollanden's and Day, we're very

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Speaker 6: happy with The Spider Man for script, which is exciting,

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Speaker 6: and we're gonna talk about Lionsgates bad bad, not good

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Speaker 6: terror year at the box office. We're also going to

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Speaker 6: talk about Amazon's God of War TV show, which is

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Speaker 6: also not having a great year.

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Speaker 1: In the airlock, Oh my gosh Wow, Episode one and

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Speaker 1: six of AGAs that we're going to talk about, and

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Speaker 1: First up, tough year at the movie theater, particularly for

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Speaker 1: lions Gate picture Baby, which is out over half eight

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Speaker 1: billion dollars, folks. Creas a very tough time at lions Gate,

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Speaker 1: beginning with director Eli Ross historically reviled adaptation of the

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Speaker 1: Borderlands video game series titled Borderlands, which lost a ton

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Speaker 5: Why did they? Why did they make it? Pg? Thirteen.

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Speaker 5: I'll never understand.

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Speaker 2: To come see it as they could.

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Speaker 5: I know.

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Speaker 3: But guess what, guys, I got a secret. In America,

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Speaker 3: a child can go to an R rated movie if

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Speaker 3: someone buys them a ticket. That is not the case

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Speaker 3: in any other country. In England, you have to be

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Speaker 3: eighteen they will be iding you. But here you could

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Speaker 3: The Joker, et cetera, The First Joker.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, and we and there's so many more.

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Speaker 1: As a quick aside, we must note that it has

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Speaker 1: been reported in various outlets, including Wire Entertainment, that ticket

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Speaker 1: sales for The Wild Robot Robot have been seeing a bump,

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Speaker 1: and this is being attributed to teens sneaking into Terrifier

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Speaker 3: The children for continuing the important tradition of sneaking into

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Speaker 3: cinematic releases that you are too young to But yeah,

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Speaker 3: this was a really bad year, so they had Obviously,

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Speaker 5: I enjoyed it, but nobody else did.

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Speaker 3: Whitebird, which was a sequel to Wonder, and of course,

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Speaker 3: they were the studio that faithfully chose to pick up Megalopolis.

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Speaker 5: I have seen it. I don't know what they were thinking,

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Speaker 3: Not going well for them. Their string of flops has

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Speaker 3: essentially meant that they have lost six hundred and ninety

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Speaker 3: One Word, which owns eighty seven percent of lions Gate

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Speaker 1: This is they are attempting to kind of spin off

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Speaker 1: Listen that doesn't a good movie doesn't ensure success, but

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Speaker 1: some other way. If you release a bad movie, it's

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Speaker 3: When I watched The Crow in the cinema, I did

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Speaker 3: I also feel like Megalopolis potential for people to want

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Speaker 1: Tom and Sindia have read the script for Spider Man

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Speaker 5: I thought that was very sassy comment.

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Speaker 2: A very sassy comment.

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Speaker 1: And the promo has begun early in the life cycle

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Speaker 5: This is a real movie worthy of fans respect. I

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Speaker 1: My biggest prediction for this movie is how does it's

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Speaker 3: So let's see if that's true, because that could mean

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Speaker 3: we could get introduction of Miles here. But yeah, I'm excited.

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Speaker 2: They're one of my fav couples. Maybe that I.

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Speaker 3: And I hope that obviously Mary Jade and Peter managed

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Speaker 3: Anyway, to another thing that's not going so well for somebody.

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Speaker 1: Amazon's adaptation of the Triple A video game title God

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Speaker 2: Hopefully it's good. Up next. Lego School for Mutants. Listen.

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Speaker 1: We've talked many a time on this program about the

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Speaker 1: fact that Lego often spoils things we love with the

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Speaker 3: Beast is only available, that's what everyone loves to do

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Speaker 1: It means that means they're That means they're getting like

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Speaker 1: That's right. We open in a different time, a different place.

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Speaker 1: This is obviously taking place during the finale of Wana

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Speaker 3: a discussion in the discord. Yes, because in in England,

441
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:30,199
Speaker 3: especially though there are American versions of it, Teddy is

442
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:35,120
Speaker 3: also Kennedy, the name exactly like Edward Kennedy. You can

443
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 3: be Teddy if you're Edward, and you can also be

444
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 3: Teddy obviously if you're Theodore. Now in the Marvel comics,

445
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 3: Hulkling is a Theodore. Though I think here they are

446
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 3: giving us Eddie as an implication that they want us

447
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 3: to have these conversations because he could be both.

448
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 2: We don't know very clearly they.

449
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 5: Have this exact conversation. The first thing is they.

450
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 3: Want us to all go, wait, did you say Eddie?

451
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 5: Did you say Eddie? And then they want us to

452
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 5: be like, well it could.

453
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 6: He looks like him he VI and also as well,

454
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 6: as we will see throughout this episode, Eddie is very

455
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,159
Speaker 6: open minded, which.

456
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 5: Makes you, well, maybe you got a little secret. Maybe

457
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 5: you were a little secret.

458
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 2: Here's my prediction.

459
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: Eddie doesn't know it, but he's he's not all human exactly,

460
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 1: and he's going to find.

461
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 2: At a certain point.

462
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 3: He doesn't know it.

463
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 5: I can curt, I can cut.

464
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 3: He doesn't know it, but there's something inside him that

465
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 3: makes him more open minded. I think it would be

466
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 3: fantastic casting if it is the case. If not, they're

467
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 3: having a lot of fun with it, but yes, very fun. Also,

468
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:52,919
Speaker 3: we see Billy's like teenage sixteen year old bedroom and

469
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 3: we get like a carry poster, we get the craft still.

470
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:00,959
Speaker 5: A badget exactly.

471
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 3: You know he's got even there's even like a sow

472
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 3: poster up there.

473
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 5: He's having a lot of dark, exciting memories. Also very.

474
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,360
Speaker 3: Like correct for this character. We see a trans Live

475
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 3: Matter poster in the background. There's also an Evanescence poster

476
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 3: which was hilarious and very important. A Lorna wo tour

477
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 3: poster who is Alice Wu's mom, who recorded the most

478
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 3: famous version of The Witch's Road. So lots of fun

479
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 3: stuff here, and I really like these two together. I

480
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 3: think this is a fantastic bit of casting.

481
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: On the date, Billy can hear that Eddie wants to

482
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:46,640
Speaker 1: tell him that he loves him. They kiss, and then

483
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 1: Billy admits to Eddie that things have not been the

484
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 1: same since the car crash. He feels like he's a

485
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 1: different person ever since that day. Eddie wants to here more,

486
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: so they go back to his house, and at his

487
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: house us up in the room, the aforementioned room. Billy

488
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 1: lays out the evidence that he's collected over these years

489
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: that he's been investigating what happened to him, and he

490
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 1: believes it all starts with the anomaly. Shows them the

491
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 1: video of the anomaly. There's probably lots of video of

492
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: it on the internet.

493
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 5: And he sees Run's and he's.

494
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 2: All right.

495
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: Also because Eddie's like, I get it's clear that the

496
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: common story is that the story that's out there is

497
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: this was an Avengers training accident. Yeah, but Billy is like, no,

498
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: this is magic looking at yeah.

499
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:44,479
Speaker 3: And also the video includes an ad for Jen, another

500
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 3: of the Witches coven, so we're getting more implications that

501
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 3: anna also very interesting is like he says that nobody

502
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 3: who is in Westview wants to talk about it.

503
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 2: Now.

504
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 3: Billy lives in Eastview, which is like where Billy Kaplan

505
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,040
Speaker 3: and his family lived. And I just thought that it

506
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 3: was an interesting note because we saw how kind of

507
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 3: accepting all the residents of west you were of Agatha

508
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 3: and just letting her live there in her own like

509
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 3: tiny hex kind of compassionately.

510
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 5: But they're obviously like quite a close knit group.

511
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 6: But luckily he has found somebody on Reddit whose name,

512
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 6: by the way, I don't know how this got through

513
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 6: the Disney Plus kind of His name is Bonerific sixty nine.

514
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 5: That's his Reddit name.

515
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 1: That's incredible, but it's honestly very Reddit. So they go

516
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: to meet this guy billion Eddie, and you know, he's

517
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: in a trench coat, he's wearing a bucket hat with

518
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: like a I thought.

519
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 5: It was going to be like Randall Wu, I was,

520
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 5: I mean, Jimmy Wu. I was not sure who it

521
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 5: was going to be.

522
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 2: I did not know who it was going to be.

523
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: And it turns out that it is survivor of Westview himself,

524
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: Ralph Boner whose appearance in Wana Vision was controversial.

525
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 2: And its own way and hilarious.

526
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: And this this is like one of the most comic

527
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: book moves in a Marvel television show yet, because this

528
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: is like what they do in comics. They take a

529
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: character that is like, people didn't know how to feel

530
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: about it, maybe it didn't go over super weird, you

531
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: didn't see it again, see that person again, and they

532
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: build it into storyline of it. And here's what they also.

533
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 6: Bring him back like dark and gritty and like and

534
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 6: you take a character like three D Man and you're like, okay,

535
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 6: but now he's like the only one who can see scrolls.

536
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 5: You know. And this is very much in that vein

537
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 5: where now.

538
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,719
Speaker 3: Rick Joe, Yeah, sweet Ralph Boner is now like this

539
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 3: paranoid kind of conspiracy theorist, but it's not a conspiracy.

540
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 3: He knows what really happened in Westview and and he

541
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 3: is gonna tell them, though he wants to know first.

542
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 5: Are they wearing wires?

543
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 2: That's right.

544
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: So they have this conversation and he Ralph doesn't really

545
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: give them much.

546
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 2: He explains basically what.

547
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: It was like to be in the Wanda HECKX in Westview,

548
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: that it was like watching yourself on TV, but the

549
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: TV show is happening in your own head. It was

550
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: very strange, It was very troubling.

551
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 2: Billy asks like, are you changed now? Do you have powers?

552
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: Basically, Ralph is does not want to talk about that,

553
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: and he does not want interesting that he doesn't want

554
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: to talk about doesn't want to talk about that. And

555
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: Billy can hear by reading Ralph's thoughts that Ralph doesn't

556
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: want to talk about Agatha Harkness. So of course Billy

557
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,719
Speaker 1: asks about her, and he says he did you know,

558
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: Ralph blurts out, she's an ancient witch and you know,

559
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: very dangerous, and then he starts to bringing which repellent.

560
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,959
Speaker 2: She just show up? Now?

561
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: Ralph agrees to tell them more, but for extra money.

562
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: They have to pay a little extra and so then

563
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: he tells them that he had it the worst of

564
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: anyone in Westview because Agatha hijacked his life, made him

565
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: do all these things that he didn't want to do,

566
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:58,719
Speaker 1: made her puppet, stole his house, tank the value of

567
00:30:58,760 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: the house.

568
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 5: She thought he thought she was his wife, right, and

569
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 5: really he was hypuppet.

570
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 3: He was her familiar, yeah, exactly, and he was also

571
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 3: the one is revealed who killed Sparky the dog, so

572
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 3: he was really made to do awful things.

573
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 2: Pay attention to.

574
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: This interaction because I believe that it is important just

575
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: in the way that it describes the relationship that a

576
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: person under a spell might have with the person who

577
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: casts the spell human in a which anyway. Billy then

578
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: finds out from Ralph that Wanda had kids. Wanta Envision

579
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: had kids, twins Billy who can read minds and Tommy

580
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: the Speakster. This shakes Billy because again Billy doesn't have

581
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: his full memories the twins disappeared. Ralph tells them Wanda

582
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: is probably dead.

583
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 2: He's pretty sure she's dead.

584
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 5: Because that's probably what was reported that vision.

585
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: Word on the street is that he's with getting dissected,

586
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: which we know is true. And then he says Agatha, meanwhile,

587
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: is still in Westview under some kind of spell. She

588
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: doesn't have powers. Billy says, great, that means she's harmless.

589
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: Billy goes home. Parents want to hang out and watch Netflix,

590
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: but Billy says he has to Word or Disney Plus,

591
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: probably a Disney Plus or Hula.

592
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 3: They want to watch a body horror that's elevated, so

593
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 3: it's elevated, Billy.

594
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: Continues to do more research. He goes upstairs and starts googling.

595
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: He puts Ralph's statements into his investigative file. He examines

596
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: the sigil tile that he still does not know what

597
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: that is. He googles Agatha. He eventually comes up with

598
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: a picture of Agatha that's like a very old like

599
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: Daghea type, and then he matches that with very similar

600
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: looking women throughout history.

601
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,719
Speaker 3: You know when you find people are always finding like

602
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 3: portraits of Keanu Reeves right throughout history. It's that kind

603
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 3: of thing. But this time it's just the trick of

604
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 3: the eye. This time she really has been around in

605
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 3: the whole time.

606
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: As he's listening to Alice's mom's recording of the Witch's Road,

607
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: he begins to piece together different facts about AGA's life.

608
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: That she murdered her coven, that she's the only survivor

609
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: of the Witch's Road, and some other stuff that I forget.

610
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: Billy then makes a decision that he's going to go

611
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: visit Agatha, so he drives to Westview. He brings his

612
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: little spell book that he's been marking up, looks up

613
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: a release spell which is going to be an important

614
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: item to kind of get Agatha to remember who she is.

615
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: And after exchanging texts with Eddie, he goes inside and

616
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: we see that we've seen the rest from her perspective, right,

617
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: this is when.

618
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, and missus the detective funny to see it from

619
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 6: his perspective because it's very interesting. Well, I will say here,

620
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 6: so he we. He goes, he breaks into the house.

621
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 3: He's gonna get her broach, the famous brooch that was

622
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 3: the thing that basically let a lot of us know

623
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 3: that she was even gonna be Agatha Harkness. Interestingly, we

624
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 3: see Agatha arguing with who we know is Rio, but

625
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 3: we don't see Rio at any point in this.

626
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 5: It looks like Agatha is talking to herself.

627
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 3: He rummages for the personal item, he gets that, he

628
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,919
Speaker 3: manages to get the the brooch and does and does

629
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 3: a spell and he's chasing and interestingly, we then get

630
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 3: to see one of the funniest scenes in the.

631
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 5: MCU so far.

632
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 3: Will go as far to say that this is like

633
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 3: Avengers eating Schwama level as I think will go down kind.

634
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 5: Of as iconic when Billy.

635
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 6: When we see the interrogation from Billy's perspective, it is

636
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 6: so funny because.

637
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 5: He she does not know what she's talking about.

638
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 3: He is just in her house and it is so

639
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 3: hilariou and I think they played it exactly right where

640
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 3: they they give us a little more of what he

641
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 3: was going through before we get to the part where

642
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 3: he realized what was going on and started to unravel

643
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 3: her spell, which is when she shows him the dead

644
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 3: bodies that are actually just like flowers and kind of

645
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 3: flower beds from around Westvieed. But this was so funny,

646
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 3: and yeah, he is just like what are you talking about?

647
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 2: Right?

648
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: So these are wonderful moments actually where Catherine Hahn, you

649
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: can tell that a lot of this was improvised, because

650
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 1: oh yes, like there's moments where her like it's clear

651
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: that that they.

652
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 2: Are about to break, like.

653
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Like it's like watching SNL

654
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 3: when they're doing a good skit and everyone's like trying

655
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 3: really hard not to laugh.

656
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 5: There is definitely a lot of that.

657
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 3: Also, I have to say, I maybe I was just

658
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 3: slow and feel free to tell me that in the discord,

659
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 3: but like I didn't realize that Billy was the one

660
00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 3: who broke Agatha out of being in one to spell.

661
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 3: I just assumed it was Rio or I assumed there

662
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 3: was some kind of you know, revelation, you know, when

663
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 3: she threw the pictures on the table. But I thought

664
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 3: it was really cool to see it from this perspective

665
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 3: and see that it was actually Billy who kind of

666
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 3: broke her.

667
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 5: Out, and that shows his power.

668
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: I think it was unclear before this, but yeah, it

669
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: shows that he does have some juice.

670
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 5: So and then.

671
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: Right after Billy chance to spell releases her, she kind

672
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: of like sees her house with new eyes and then

673
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: she asks who he is and he now we see

674
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: from the other side that first he says, I'm William Kaplan.

675
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: She doesn't buy it. She comes in es, who are

676
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: you really? He says, Billy Maximov.

677
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 5: And that's what is banned with the sigil, right.

678
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: We see it as him saying it, but from her perspective,

679
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: she can't hear it. Yeah, so from her, we're watching

680
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: it from his perspective. We go to the road in

681
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: the in the continueuation of the story from the previous episode,

682
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: Agatha crawls out of the swamp with a rise.

683
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 5: She just handily had it so funny. She's like, you

684
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 5: are no killing man. This mud swamp.

685
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: She crawls up to Billy Billy's looking at the tile.

686
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: He's turning it over his hand. He crushes it.

687
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 2: It's gone.

688
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: He doesn't need it anymore, it doesn't bind him anymore.

689
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 1: Agatha confronts him. Uh, she doesn't buy this whole. I'm

690
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: disinterested in being a witch. I'm just here for a

691
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: specific kind of personal reason. I don't want power.

692
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 3: Uh.

693
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: And in fact, we know that previously he had said

694
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: I just need power. That's why he was wanted to

695
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: go with her on the Witch's Road, So we know

696
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: that's not the true. That's not true. And in fact,

697
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: she says, and whether this is true or not, we

698
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: can debate that she always suspected who he was. She

699
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,479
Speaker 1: always kind of had an inkling that he was one

700
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: of the sons, particularly Billy Masmof. She says, it's nice

701
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: to see him again. She uses his name. He realizes

702
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: that he can say his name in it, she can

703
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 1: recognize it. She says, well, it's too bad that you

704
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: killed Lily and Jin, you know, but what can you do?

705
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 7: Uh.

706
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 2: Agatha is like kind.

707
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 1: Of lording this over him, like you are you you're

708
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: pretending not a witch, You're not a survivor, but which

709
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: is a survivors and sometimes they have to do stuff

710
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: like this. Uh, and she's like, I don't even remember

711
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 1: how many people I've killed. Agatha then wants to know,

712
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 1: like where'd you get this fresh body? Like this is

713
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: very interesting, Like where did you that? You know, like,

714
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 1: you don't feel bad about what you had to do.

715
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: You saw your opportunity to escape and to survive, and

716
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: you did it.

717
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,439
Speaker 2: And surviving by any means necessary is what a witch does.

718
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: That's interesting because because this tells us I think that, uh,

719
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:47,240
Speaker 1: there's no Mephisto involvement, that Billy, as the anomaly was shrinking,

720
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: decided that he wanted to live and did this.

721
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, jumped into Also, I would put it

722
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,240
Speaker 3: out there. This is like, I think it's worth saying.

723
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 3: Is this something that Wanda did in her final moment?

724
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 5: Did she kind of send you?

725
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 4: I don't think so.

726
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 5: The boys.

727
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 3: Was it just old Billy who just felt that power

728
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 3: to live and it was just in this moment that

729
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 3: was the crash he found the body and it was

730
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 3: kind of fateful.

731
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: I think it was all Billy. I think it was

732
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: all Billy. I don't think Wanda had anything to do

733
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: with it.

734
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 2: So he.

735
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: Tries to use his power and make a show of force,

736
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: but he can't. He says, whatever, it's still there, and

737
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: I don't need your help walking the road, Agatha wonders,

738
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,399
Speaker 1: it's like, what do you want from the road?

739
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,439
Speaker 5: What do you we max him off from those?

740
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,280
Speaker 1: She goes through the things, the people that could possibly

741
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 1: be Mom obviously not want to know vision no, but

742
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,959
Speaker 1: maybe it's the brother Toby, and he's like Tommy, Yes,

743
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 1: it's Tommy, very clear, right, that's what he wants.

744
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 5: I think that's the most emotional choice.

745
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: And then she walks off with Adam saying, last one

746
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 1: there isn't at the end of the road is a

747
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: nice person, and Billy goes off after her, saying I'm

748
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 1: not that nice.

749
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 5: So wow, here's my.

750
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: This is here's my theory of what's happened. It's a

751
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: usual suspects where the person that you think is the

752
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: weak person is actually the villain the hero, but like

753
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: the main drive.

754
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 3: The mast also the person who is potentially puppeteering the

755
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 3: story because even whether he knows it not, because the

756
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 3: truth is Jen Lilia Alice, we.

757
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 5: All know that Sharon with your car Sharon who with

758
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:44,760
Speaker 5: a colleague.

759
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:50,919
Speaker 3: They had connections to Billy before this, and Agatha had

760
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 3: a connection to Billy maxim Off because she had been

761
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 3: his baby, saying as she had kind of hung out

762
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 3: with him in this messed up hex of Westview.

763
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 5: So yes, Billy's definitely the main here.

764
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 6: I feel personally that they are still giving Agatha her

765
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,720
Speaker 6: time to shine, and I think Catherine.

766
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 5: And Joe Locke are so good together here.

767
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 3: So I'm very interested to see where we go next

768
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 3: three episodes, but only two weeks to go, because the

769
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 3: next episode is going to play episode seven by itself

770
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 3: on Wednesday night as usual, but then on the thirtieth

771
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 3: of October, the day before Halloween, we will get the

772
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 3: final two episodes together, which I think is very exciting.

773
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 5: I did not see them bringing back Evan Peters.

774
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 3: I thought he was fantastic, So I love that and

775
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 3: I think it definitely opens up the space for more

776
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 3: big cameos in the final two episodes. Biggest question is

777
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 3: we have not had any casting news about Tommy, So

778
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 3: do you think we're gonna get Tommy in the last

779
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 3: three episodes.

780
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: I think we have to write or or at least

781
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: we get direction of or at least we get a

782
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: direction of where Tommy is.

783
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 3: Maybe it was just a little costing they were able

784
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 3: to keep quiet because like everyone was asking about Billy

785
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 3: and Joe Lock so obviously evokes Billy in the comics.

786
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: So I want to return to what Ralph the way

787
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 1: Ralph described his life under the power of Agatha Harkness,

788
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: because I think that that's what's happening to her, and

789
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: it's Billy doing it. I think everything that she's experiencing

790
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: is I think Billy. I think it's very possible that

791
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: Billy is pulling all of these strings. The question that is,

792
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: why does he need her? Probably because she's the only

793
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 1: one who's ever walked the road, so he needs someone

794
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: to like meet shield him as they go all the

795
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: way to the end. He's never done it before. That said,

796
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's her under his power

797
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,280
Speaker 1: and not the other way around.

798
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 3: I think that's very interesting and also does make sense

799
00:42:56,280 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 3: when you look back at like when he was in

800
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 3: the house and everyone else was downstairs singing the song

801
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 3: to open up the Witch's Road, he was upstairs and that's.

802
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 5: When the Salem seven came.

803
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:13,919
Speaker 3: You know, he could be the one who is kind

804
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 3: of whose magic is powerful enough that they're following, or

805
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 3: who let them know that Agatha was trying to go

806
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 3: on the road.

807
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 5: Exist are they even real things? Or are they just

808
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 5: something that he can kind of create? Or you know

809
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 5: what I did see this was in discord. I'm sorry,

810
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 5: I don't know who said it.

811
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 3: But I can't recall right now, but it was a

812
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 3: really good theory where it was like, isn't you know

813
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 3: is Billy technically like skin walking by being in someone

814
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 3: else's dead body? So are these the kind of like

815
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 3: haunted souls who are chasing him? Kind of like what

816
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 3: we saw in Multiverse of Madness where the souls of

817
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 3: the damned followed, uh, you know doctor Strange when he

818
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 3: was in zombie Stranger's body. Obviously slightly different situation, but

819
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,240
Speaker 3: I do think that's interesting. Also, like said, we've seen

820
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 3: Billy control Lilya and Jen who I have to say,

821
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 3: if you've seen the mid season trailer Fingers Crossed, we

822
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 3: will get more of them coming up. They're not really dead. Yeah.

823
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 5: This episode is also called Familiar by thy Side, which

824
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 5: does bring up the question of hoops Is hoops familiar?

825
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 5: Let's bring in super producer Joel Monique, because I know

826
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 5: you have some familiar thoughts. If you are there, I

827
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 5: am here, by.

828
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 8: God's good, is going to try to come in just away?

829
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 5: You're familiar, Aaron, if you want.

830
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 6: To come in.

831
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 8: Corners and questions. Okay, first, before we get to familiar

832
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 8: I wanted to Rosie the is it Wanda question? I

833
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 8: have the same thought because when Leah's writing on that tile,

834
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 8: does it seem as if she has one of her

835
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 8: dissociative moments for a moment when.

836
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 5: She comes back and is like I I think so yeah.

837
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 8: And she's like, hey, kidd of like the now it's

838
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 8: all you have moment, I'm like, is this Agatha channeling through?

839
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 2: Can she do that?

840
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 8: We've seen her dream work but only into herself.

841
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:29,919
Speaker 1: I was I was wondering, wait, you mean Wanda.

842
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was actually wondering if what it was was

843
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 3: that Lilian knew the car crash was going to happen

844
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 3: and that he was going to be She.

845
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 1: Looked at the lifeline and knew that he was going

846
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: to die as the lifeline said, you're dying soon.

847
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 3: So also you're gonna come back. I think she had

848
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 3: a vision of both. So I definitely was interested. I

849
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 3: think it would be even though we've seen Wanda go

850
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 3: full kind of evil. I support her rights and wrongs,

851
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 3: but obviously in multiverse madness, a lot of people weren't

852
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 3: happy that version of Wanda. I don't think that they

853
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 3: will do it where she made the car crash happen,

854
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 3: which I think could be a read. I don't think

855
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 3: it's that, but I do think there is a version

856
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 3: where when she said goodbye to the kids, she like

857
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 3: kind of put it out into the universe that she

858
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 3: hoped they could find another body or she hoped they

859
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:22,760
Speaker 3: could be real.

860
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 5: And this is a manifestation of that.

861
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 6: But I like Jason's Reid where it gives Billy the

862
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 6: full agency.

863
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 1: I think it's Billy the way Billy says, I'm not

864
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: that nice, Like, yes, okay, he's he is.

865
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 5: He is pretended to be somebody's son for three years.

866
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, like he stole somebody's body. He did what he

867
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: needed to do, just he's not a real person in

868
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: this reality, but he wanted to keep living despite the

869
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: fact that he's not from here. He may not even

870
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 1: be real, yeah, I think of real, but he wanted

871
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: to keep going and so he did what he had

872
00:46:58,800 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: to do.

873
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 2: He's not quote a nice show.

874
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 8: Okay, so that brings me to my familiar stuff. Okay,

875
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 8: you could have easily called this episode all that's good

876
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 8: is bad. I was going through the quotes and I

877
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 8: was like, I cant geting tripped out because forever. Okay,

878
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 8: So Agatha has been calling Billy her familiar. Now the

879
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 8: initial like set of the tone of the show was like, Okay,

880
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,240
Speaker 8: she's joking. She's trying to hide Billy from the other witches.

881
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 8: She's trying to figure out what his real deal is

882
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 8: and why this sigil is here. And the other witch

883
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 8: is sort of joined in on the Oh, yes, you're familiar,

884
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 8: you're underage, hand drink, you're othered from us. But then

885
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 8: why call this episode that familiar? By your side? And

886
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 8: then the last thing we see is these two folks

887
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 8: walking down the road together. So my question is is

888
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 8: Billy or Agatha the familiar? That's what I'm trying to

889
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 8: figure out. So we know Agatha for a while had

890
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 8: a bunny called Neckless Scratch. You would definitely think of

891
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 8: that as the familiar. If we look at familiars in

892
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 8: pop culture history, there's they're typically animals. You think, uh,

893
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 8: Salem Sabergath from Sapreena, the teenage witch Gig from Kiy's

894
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 8: Delivery Service, maybe Luna from sailor Moon, lots of kiddies

895
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 8: the Book of Shadows from hocus Pocus is technically a familiar.

896
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,439
Speaker 8: They do not have to be living beings. A French

897
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 8: philosopher Peer.

898
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 5: Even factory ban yeah plays a little bit.

899
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 2: If you think the little girls.

900
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 8: Being a witch, that's her familiar for sure. So there's

901
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 8: a French philosopher Peer Arafard who defined a familiar as

902
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 8: the spirit is like a double the alter ego of

903
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 8: an individual. It does not look like the individual concerned.

904
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 8: Even though it may have an independent life of its own,

905
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 8: it remains closely linked to the individual. The familiar spirit

906
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 8: can be an animal, but it doesn't have to be.

907
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 3: I just I think that that in itself, that description,

908
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 3: I think that's I would say that Agatha is almost

909
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 3: certainly Billy's familiar because if you think about this, she

910
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 3: essentially raised him when he was a kid. She was

911
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 3: there as like a supportive part indeed of his early life.

912
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 3: And then now there are two of them on the road,

913
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 3: and it's almost like of everything that the you know,

914
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 3: when Billy didn't know who he was, he has drawn

915
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 3: back to this figure who essentially is like a potential

916
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,959
Speaker 3: Obviously she is dangerous, but she is like a part

917
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 3: of this old spiritual life that he had. And obviously

918
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 3: we know he actually has innate power and she doesn't.

919
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 3: So I do think Agatha is the familiar in this situation.

920
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:26,479
Speaker 5: Jason, what do you think?

921
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that that's what it is.

922
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: I think all of this is again, I think much

923
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: like his mom, who created a very complex and immersive

924
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 1: reality without actually knowing that she was actually doing that.

925
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: I think Billy has set this mission up in a

926
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: complete and very comprehensive and complex way with Agatha as

927
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: his dupe, and she doesn't realize it, and he may

928
00:49:56,160 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: not even fully realize all of the things he's done.

929
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 2: You know, Jen, bringing in Jen, bringing in Alice, bringing

930
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 2: in Sharon.

931
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: That clearly was I think that was like spur of

932
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 1: the moment he met these people, ran into them, or

933
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: saw them or encountered them through the Internet, realizing that

934
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: they had some kind of innate a magical history, which history,

935
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: and so he brought them into this. But is that

936
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 1: a conscious decision? Of his I don't think so. I

937
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: think so, I think that he is doing I think

938
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: he's done this. And I think that Agatha, you know,

939
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 1: up until she absorbed Alice's power, she was juiceless.

940
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 5: She was.

941
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 2: She did not have it.

942
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: She's in her house thinking she's another person. We see

943
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: in the interrogation from Billy's perspective that this thing she

944
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: thought she was doing the whole time, this this interrogation,

945
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 1: that she thought she was running, she.

946
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 2: Was not in control of it.

947
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: And he was like, so, I think the one who's

948
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: doing this, he's the one that's doing this.

949
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, And him freeing her also puts them in a

950
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 3: situation where she is essentially in his debt, even if

951
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 3: she doesn't know it, which is another way of trapping

952
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 3: a familiar. I also think this is very interesting narratively

953
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 3: because historically in real witch trials, whether it was in

954
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 3: Pendle in England or in Salem specifically in Pendul, they

955
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 3: would really often accuse men who were supportive of the

956
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 3: witches or involved in their life or brothers, they.

957
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 5: Would accuse them of being human familiars.

958
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 6: And essentially saying that they were a human who was

959
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 6: able to do things that so I like the inversion

960
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 6: here that potentially Billy is the witch and Agatha could

961
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 6: be the familiar.

962
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 5: We should also say that, yeah, yeah, go for it.

963
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 1: When Lily had that disassociative moment, be you know, she

964
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 1: reads Billy's palm, I was about to tell them stuff,

965
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: and then she says the tower room, she like kind

966
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:55,879
Speaker 1: of planks out. You know, there's lots of articles out

967
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 1: today about the terror verse means it means inevitable change,

968
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: it means upheaval, and the way to say that is chaos.

969
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: She's saying chaos magic. Also, she is a wonder Yeah.

970
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 5: Also think about this.

971
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 3: When Wonder dies, she's at the top of Mount Wondergore,

972
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:15,399
Speaker 3: and then when it's flattened, the tower is reversed, there's

973
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 3: no Wonder Gore Rosie.

974
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 5: Yes, So I definitely.

975
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 3: Think she was foreseeing. She was foreseeing that, she was

976
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 3: foreseeing it, and like you say, Jason, it's all about

977
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 3: that chaos magic. Also, I want to put out just

978
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 3: before we go, I want to put out a final

979
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 3: theory that someone in the discord said. Again, I'm sorry, guys,

980
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 3: I need to be better at catching who did this,

981
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,359
Speaker 3: but I am shouting you out. Somebody in the discord, said,

982
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 3: is Billy's spell book that he has?

983
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:40,959
Speaker 5: And I love this theory so much.

984
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 3: Is this the last remaining copy of The Dark Cold

985
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 3: without it knowing it's the Dark Cold?

986
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: Like?

987
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 3: Is he able to channel some of those spells, some

988
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 3: of that chaos magic into.

989
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 5: This little book? And is that why it's kind of

990
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 5: so precious and important without the.

991
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 8: First time that it's printed and not a journal that

992
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 8: he's been writing in, like I think we thought before

993
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 8: and I found that really, I'm like, where did you

994
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:05,439
Speaker 8: get this book?

995
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 2: Was it just laying around?

996
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 8: Was that?

997
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 6: Like?

998
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 8: I don't think we see the initial connection of him

999
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 8: and the book? How we found it? And I was like, I.

1000
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,280
Speaker 5: Know, it's just like it's just there's a lot.

1001
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 8: Of coincidence in this episode, which makes me think there

1002
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 8: could be a third party in effect at play here,

1003
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,879
Speaker 8: because coincidence is wild. So we'll see.

1004
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: Wait, Aaron, did you have big, the Big, the Big,

1005
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: the big broomstone smelling guy with the pitchfork?

1006
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 2: N Billy the.

1007
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: Books sometimes in his or put the book in his path, sometimes.

1008
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 8: Back in time and placing books like that.

1009
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 3: Also, I just want to say, guys, what what do

1010
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 3: you guys make of the fact that we never see Rio.

1011
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 9: Like we are before we leave before the familiar thing.

1012
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, please. One thing I just want to ask

1013
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:57,800
Speaker 9: if if anyone has time to do a rewatch listeners, hosts, producers, whatever,

1014
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 9: in specifically in Undreds and Dragons, the familiar acts of

1015
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 9: its own accord, but it has to obey your commands.

1016
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 9: So I'm thinking back to every time Billy has given

1017
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 9: a command to Agatha from as simple as help me

1018
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 9: carry missus Hart through the oven, uh, stop get away

1019
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 9: from Alice. And the other one I thought of was, oh,

1020
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 9: in the interrogation scene in this can we stop with

1021
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 9: the aggressive interrogation.

1022
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 4: All of these things she did.

1023
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 9: She has acted of her own accord in some other instances,

1024
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 9: but every time I can remember her giving him a

1025
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 9: command or him giving her a command.

1026
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 4: She has followed it.

1027
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:38,919
Speaker 5: That's unavable.

1028
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,320
Speaker 9: I don't know if there are other things out there

1029
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 9: in the show that I missed, but every time he

1030
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 9: said something to her like that, she So that's that

1031
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:49,320
Speaker 9: kind of bolsters that they're beautiful.

1032
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: All of which is to say I is dead at

1033
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:55,879
Speaker 1: the end of this right, She's She's fucking gone.

1034
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 5: She has gone on.

1035
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 3: Oh he puts that back in the hecks because he's

1036
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 3: gonna find I don't know, I'm interested to see.

1037
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: I think because listen, you're not gonna get You're not

1038
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:09,800
Speaker 1: gonna get Tommy back without a price, right, Like someone's

1039
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,959
Speaker 1: gotta go when you get to the end, there's gotta

1040
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 1: be a coin that you pay to get.

1041
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 2: The thing that you want.

1042
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:20,439
Speaker 1: And it's just no one better to fucking hand over

1043
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 1: than than an evil witch who tried to take down

1044
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: your mom also failed.

1045
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 3: Just for the hope of the family and the people

1046
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 3: who love Agatha and and the queer people who adore her,

1047
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 3: I would say, if that's the case, don't worry because.

1048
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 5: Like you know, she can come back.

1049
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:42,879
Speaker 8: Like yes, I'm dead, but with my awesome heart.

1050
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 6: I was gonna say, I was gonna say the implications

1051
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 6: and rumors and theories around who Reoverdal really are could

1052
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 6: align with that in a way that would still give

1053
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 6: us a happy, ish quick answer your question.

1054
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 8: You brought it up. We have to talk about it.

1055
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 8: The real thing. She's not there when Billy is talking

1056
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 8: to Agatha. If you go watch the first episode, she's

1057
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 8: definitely in the scene technically behind the glass, so not

1058
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 8: in the room with Agatha. Then I went back and

1059
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 8: I was like, Okay, is it a case of nobody's

1060
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 8: been talking to her? But no, everyone's been reacting when

1061
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 8: they brought her up from the ground, they saw her.

1062
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:22,879
Speaker 8: They've been talking to them the whole time. She does

1063
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 8: disappear in the episode before this, I is so and

1064
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 8: she makes this statement that she hates ghosts. But I'm like,

1065
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 8: are you kind of haunting Agatha?

1066
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 6: Maybe?

1067
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 8: Are you? Are you connecting with her, maybe not physically,

1068
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 8: but more mentally on a spiritual like I found you,

1069
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 8: but I don't have to physically be there to have

1070
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 8: found you. I can talk to you without having to

1071
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,839
Speaker 8: physically be present, because even when Billy's looking inside the house,

1072
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 8: we don't see her. It's not like she hid when

1073
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 8: Billy came in or something.

1074
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 5: She's just not there exactly. That's what I'm saying.

1075
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get that's arguing with that, but we don't

1076
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 3: see her. I think that everyone has said episode seven

1077
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 3: is their favorite episode, which is what we're going into,

1078
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,320
Speaker 3: so I can expect that we may get some answers

1079
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 3: or hints specifically about Rio and the kind of who

1080
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 3: is really in charge in that next episode, which I

1081
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 3: absolutely cannot wait for because the shows. Yeah, I do

1082
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 3: believe that episode seven is potentially the one where they're

1083
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 3: in costume or where they're in a.

1084
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 5: More kind of mental institute. But we are, we are

1085
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 5: yet we still have screeners.

1086
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: Well, we're still waiting on. Here's two things that we're

1087
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 1: definitely gonna get Jen's backstory and yes and lily is backstory.

1088
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:37,479
Speaker 2: We're getting those.

1089
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: And you know, we've there's casting for young Lily, so

1090
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: one hundred percent we're.

1091
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 3: Getting and we've gotten to see hints of her. It's

1092
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 3: probably going to be some kind of Spanish inquisitions that story.

1093
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 1: So we know that that's happening definitely in the next

1094
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 1: two episodes.

1095
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 9: Also today Friday, October eighteenth, they released the pop version

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Speaker 9: of the Witch's Road sung by jap in He's Breakfast.

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Speaker 9: It's great, incredible, very interesting take on it.

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Speaker 5: I love Japanese.

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Speaker 4: Also, we're going to get some pop scene with that.

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Speaker 5: I so wow.

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Speaker 4: So they did not hire Michelle Zeyer to do a

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Speaker 4: version of the song.

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Speaker 3: My guess is the finale version of The Witch's Road

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Speaker 3: will be sung by Broadway legend Patya. Everyone's everyone's very

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Speaker 3: sad about they haven't had her singing a lot.

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Speaker 5: I'm guessing that will be a finale version, but yes,

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Speaker 5: thank you guys. I love this show. I love talking

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Speaker 5: about it. Thank you both for joining us.

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Speaker 4: Appreciate you.

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Speaker 9: Also shout out to Joe Locke his singing during the

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Speaker 9: too Yeah, well done.

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Speaker 5: He's amazing.

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Speaker 1: Coming up next on Extra Vision, the extras are back

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Speaker 1: to discuss Arcane Thursday, Rosie and I asked the question,

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Speaker 1: is nineteen eighty for the best.

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Speaker 2: Year at Heart?

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Speaker 1: I think we've agree it's good, but it's not the best.

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Speaker 5: Good, but it's not the best.

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Speaker 1: Listen to Friday episode, we're reacting to the final installment

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Speaker 1: of The Venom The Last Dance.

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Speaker 4: Oh Ben.

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Speaker 2: Monday, we've got a recap of Penguin one oh six.

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Speaker 1: That's it for this episode's extull achuned.

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Speaker 5: By x Ray.

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Speaker 1: Vision is hosted by Jason Kensumsion and Rosie Knight and

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Speaker 1: is a production of iHeart Podcasts. Our executive producers are

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Speaker 1: Joelle Smith and Aaron Kaufman. Our supervising producer is a

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Speaker 1: Boo Zafar. Our producers are Carmen Laurent and Mia Taylor.

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Speaker 1: Our theme song is by Brian Basquez.

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Speaker 3: Special thanks to Soul Rubin and Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman

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Speaker 3: and Heidi

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Speaker 5: Our discolled moderata