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Speaker 1: All Right, here we go, let's chop it up. John Middlecoff,

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Speaker 1: former NFL scout, has his own podcasts three and Out.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, listen, Kansas City Buffalo is I think

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Speaker 1: what most of us. I mean, I do think Josh

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Speaker 1: And I feel bad for Joe Burrow. They had to

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Speaker 1: sell naming rights to pay him. It is an antiquated

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Speaker 1: front office. I mean, it's really sad. And Tobin the

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Speaker 1: GM is kind of a powerless guy. So the Chiefs

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Speaker 1: are minus one and a half against the Bills. I'll

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Speaker 1: take Buffalo plus one and a half. I took Buffalo

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Speaker 1: plus one and a half today. I think Buffalo is

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Speaker 1: going to go into Arrowhead and win. They're pretty healthy.

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Speaker 1: Boy Milano again making nice plays. You know that guy

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Speaker 1: doesn't get a ton of credit football. People know he

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Speaker 1: made a couple of big plays near the goal line tonight.

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Speaker 1: So I think I think it's been established obviously where

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Speaker 1: you land matters, And you know Brady got Belichick and

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Speaker 1: Joe Montana got Bill Walsh, but that's just the way

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Speaker 1: it works. I think Josh Allen and Mahomes, to me, John,

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Speaker 1: have separated themselves as the best two quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: I like Joe Burrow a lot, but he gets hurt

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Speaker 1: and that's you know, genetics are what they are. You

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Speaker 1: get hurt, it's it's it's part of your legacy. And

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Speaker 1: then I think the next tier of quarterbacks after those

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Speaker 1: But I kind of feel like I've watched these NFC teams, John,

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Speaker 1: I do not believe. I think Kansas City and Buffalo

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Speaker 1: I just don't think Philadelphia has buttoned up. I think

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Speaker 2: Agree or disagree, totally agree. This game feels like forty

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Speaker 2: nine Ers Cowboys nineteen ninety three at Arrowhead and listen.

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Speaker 2: The Chiefs are my people. I probably wouldn't be sitting

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Speaker 2: here with you if it wasn't for them. I do

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Speaker 2: think this is the Bill's year. I think the Bills

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Speaker 2: win the Super Bowl. And you know, for one year

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Speaker 2: when I was with Philadelphia, Sean was there, and he's

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Speaker 2: just I mean, he's a really really impressive guy. I

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Speaker 2: think he's become a really good head coach. And he

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Speaker 2: hired the right coordinator. I mean, going from Dorsey to

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Speaker 2: Joe Brady has changed their offense. But let's be real

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Speaker 2: about this. The Bills. You know, if you look back

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Speaker 2: and Brady at three Super Bowls. That's kind of what

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Speaker 1: This.

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Speaker 2: Lamar Mahomes is not a rivalry. This is the third

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Speaker 2: time in recent memory and the Bills have lost these games,

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Speaker 2: like last year the overtime game where they went three

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Speaker 2: plays fifty yards or whatever. But this is the game.

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Speaker 2: It's Josh versus Moms. And listen, you could make the

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Speaker 2: got to reorder this is it goes Mahomes, Josh, then

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow and then Lamar Jackson and the one thing

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Speaker 2: and you just mentioned about Joe Burrow. He does not

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Speaker 2: he lost in the AFC Championship game. Like I'm sorry,

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Speaker 2: Like he's just accomplished way more now. I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia going to the NFC Championship against Washington again. We'll

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Speaker 1: You know, I was thinking about this with Saquon Barkley.

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Speaker 2: more tails than heads. Sakuon Barkley they got for under

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Speaker 2: thirty million dollars guaranteed in a day and age. When

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Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels with talent, and I want to talk about him.

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Speaker 1: He had a five game stretch middle of the season,

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Speaker 1: the runner. And I'll tell you why. It's an advantage

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Speaker 2: It would really be Burrow and what to Burrow and

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Speaker 2: Jayden have in common. They both had a transfer to LSU.

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Speaker 2: Their first year at LSU did not go well, and

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Speaker 2: I've never been there.

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Speaker 1: But then you go down to Sarasota in Naples and

429
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Speaker 1: that's a different level of money, and that is big

430
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Speaker 1: ten money. And I'll say this, A lot of people

431
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Speaker 1: are pushing back. I'm saying this is a one off. No,

432
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Speaker 1: it's not you and I talked about this, Penn State.

433
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Speaker 1: Look at the size of these schools, Wisconsin, Ohio State, Michigan,

434
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Speaker 1: Washington's a huge school.

435
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Speaker 2: They're not and.

436
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Speaker 1: Those graduates they leave a lot of times their area

437
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Speaker 1: and they're loyal. And the SEC schools, like when Alabama

438
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Speaker 1: is think about this. Nick saban is one of the

439
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Speaker 1: smartest coaches ever. Look how great of a coach he was.

440
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,440
Speaker 1: NFL teams would fly down and look at how Alabama

441
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,119
Speaker 1: ran their program, including Belichick. Look how good of a

442
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Speaker 1: broadcaster he is. Saban Is, He's literally made game day

443
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Speaker 1: feel huge. And everybody on that's talented. Reese, Pat Herb Street, Howard.

444
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 1: I mean, those guys are all talented. Nick is just

445
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Speaker 1: makes it feel huge, car dealerships, the way he has

446
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 1: leveraged his career. Just how smart this guy is the

447
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 1: first year the nil opened up. Nick Saban saw it

448
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 1: and he got very nervous. I was told about Texas.

449
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,439
Speaker 1: He told his guys, we can't compete with Texas. That

450
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Speaker 1: is oil money, it's tech money. Alabama cannot compete with Texas.

451
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Speaker 2: He knew it.

452
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Speaker 1: He sounded the alarms the first year. And if Saban,

453
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Speaker 1: who's the smartest coach arguably in college football, he's certainly

454
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Speaker 1: on a short list, saw it coming and he got

455
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Speaker 1: the hell out. Nick could coach today if he wanted to.

456
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Speaker 1: God the guy come. I look at him on TV.

457
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:47,880
Speaker 1: He's just so magnetic and dynamic. Nick's a sharp dude.

458
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Speaker 1: He knows the truth is that George's got some money.

459
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Speaker 1: Tennessee's got some money. I think the tide remember Washington's

460
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Speaker 1: in Seattle. They don't have a huge collective, but Jedfish

461
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 1: can recruit. Last year was a rebuilding year. They're going

462
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 1: to be closer to Oregon than Iowa going forward. USC's

463
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: can listen to this. USC's collective now is over twenty million.

464
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Speaker 1: They've already spent thirty million over the next For the

465
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Speaker 1: next eighteen months, they have to figure out how to

466
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Speaker 1: pay all these bills. I think the SEC knows it.

467
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 1: I think the smart people in that conference can see

468
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Speaker 1: it before it's happened. But this year and last year

469
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Speaker 1: watched the games. There is a game Notre Dame beat

470
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Speaker 1: Georgia and control Georgia. They got far off the field

471
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Speaker 1: tonight totally.

472
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Speaker 2: I think listen, you and I and I turned into

473
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Speaker 2: an SEC fan during the Saving era. Why was the

474
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Speaker 2: best players, It was the best games. They still have

475
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Speaker 2: the best talent. The reality now is when Kirby back

476
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 2: in the day, Bobby Bowden, Dabo Sweeney, all the Southern

477
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 2: coaches knocked on your door, you were going to go

478
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Speaker 2: to one of those schools. Now they just call your

479
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Speaker 2: agent and say, hey, they're offering your five hundred grand,

480
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Speaker 2: will offer you eight to fifty and some sidecap. So

481
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 2: you wanted to pay taxes on. It's not a fair fight,

482
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 2: and that's what this has turned into. It is strictly

483
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Speaker 2: paid to play. It's why I laugh, like forever a

484
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Speaker 2: great recruiter. Obviously to become a great recruiter, you had

485
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 2: to have a personality, but you also had to be

486
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Speaker 2: at a program that offered you a lot. Right they might

487
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:18,880
Speaker 2: even could pay you a little under the table. Now

488
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 2: there's we don't even you know, beat around the bush

489
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Speaker 2: on that. It's like, no, a great recruiter is someone

490
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Speaker 2: that can offer me eight hundred thousand dollars. I mean,

491
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Speaker 2: the guy was the quarterback that was going to play

492
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Speaker 2: for Brian Kelly Underwood. He was going to LSU and

493
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Speaker 2: then he ended up at Michigan. Not because he loves

494
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 2: Sharon Moore and Tom Brady and Dave Portnoy, because they

495
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Speaker 2: paid him like twelve to fifteen million dollars. Even Brian

496
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 2: Kelly's like, yeah, we can't pay him that much. We

497
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Speaker 2: don't have the money. Look at Nebraska last year.

498
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Speaker 1: Now Michigan States boosters. One of them is the guy

499
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Speaker 1: that owns the Cavs. The other ones the guy that

500
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Speaker 1: owns the Suns.

501
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Speaker 2: So it's like this, it is going to be they

502
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Speaker 2: got the talent, but these big tens. Rbit started years ago,

503
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 2: right when he went from Florida to Ohio State said

504
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Speaker 2: we got to get in the South and recruit the players.

505
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 2: Well now everyone knows that, but they can just cut

506
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Speaker 2: the check. So I'm going to be I think Texas,

507
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Speaker 2: like you mentioned Saban, I didn't know that he said that,

508
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 2: but I mean he's got ears eyes and a brain.

509
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's not hard to figure out. I think

510
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Speaker 2: A and M as well. I think the two Texas

511
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Speaker 2: schools that are in the SEC have a massive advantage

512
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Speaker 2: financially because that's the world we're in. Can you pay

513
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Speaker 2: the players or not the most? That's where they're going

514
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Speaker 2: to go.

515
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Speaker 1: Look at this. I was talking to a during the

516
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Speaker 1: course of this season. I was talking to a general

517
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: manager and he said, let me tell you he's going

518
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Speaker 1: to be number one next year. Take quarterbacks out. He goes,

519
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Speaker 1: Caleb Downs is going to be number one next year.

520
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Speaker 1: He goes, that kid would start for every single NFL

521
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Speaker 1: team as a sophomore in college. He goes, there's not

522
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Speaker 1: an NFL team he wouldn't start for. And then I

523
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Speaker 1: texted him. That was mid season. I texted him before

524
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Speaker 1: this game and he said, if because it's a very

525
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: weak draft, he said, if Jeremiah Smith, the receiver for

526
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Speaker 1: Ohio State, and Caleb Downs were available, He's like, these

527
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are not good enough. He goes, Cam would probably

528
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 1: go over those players because Tennessee needs a quarterback. He said,

529
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Speaker 1: would they go two and three? He's like, these kids

530
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Speaker 1: are I mean, we watched Jeremiah Smith and and Caleb

531
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Speaker 1: dew They don't even look like college players. It reminds

532
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: me when Jamar Chase was at LSU, like a sophomore year,

533
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Speaker 1: You're like, Okay, this is a pro receiver. Who would

534
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: who would start? He would make he would start for

535
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Speaker 1: every team in the NFL. The year before he went

536
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Speaker 1: and left LSU.

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Speaker 2: You could argue, I mean, what's really going to separate

538
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Speaker 2: are the top five or six programs because of the money,

539
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Speaker 2: And obviously Ohio State and Oregon are in clearly the

540
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Speaker 2: top tier. Texas and I would throw Texas A and

541
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Speaker 2: m in there. I mean they got a little taste

542
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Speaker 2: of being back this year, of being good and being

543
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 2: right there. They have unlimited money. That's that's the sport. Now,

544
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 2: what happened to Michigan this shar year? They finally won

545
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 2: a national championship. Then they started getting embarrassed and they said,

546
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 2: what do you need? What do we need? We or

547
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 2: don't want to do this ever again. So that's what

548
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 2: And listen, I started at Fresno State, that program wouldn't

549
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 2: have existed. I don't know how they maintain it. The

550
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 2: Logan Mankins, the Ryan Matthews Washington State. How are they

551
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 2: going to function moving forward? The moment you get a guy, yeah,

552
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 2: that guy might be a third rounder, Oh he's a sophomore.

553
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,239
Speaker 2: Every school worth their salts in his DM saying hey,

554
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 2: how much you want and they leave. They just automatically leave.

555
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 2: What we saw last year with Austin Genty, I don't

556
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Speaker 2: think we'll ever see again. Even the head coach this

557
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 2: year said it. He's like, he turned down seven figures

558
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 2: to stay here and all we could offer him was

559
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 2: three hundred thousand dollars. I mean, that's that's the world.

560
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Speaker 2: One day, I was at the gym, probably a couple

561
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Speaker 2: months ago, and I look up and his first take

562
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 2: is just on one of the big TVs and it's

563
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 2: a kid, and I'm like, what's going on. I think

564
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 2: Shannon and steven A were talking to him, and it's

565
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 2: the number one basketball recruit. When I got home, I

566
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Speaker 2: googled him. He's going to BYU next year. It's like,

567
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 2: it's not hard to figure out the Mormons cut that

568
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 2: get a massive check and that listen. I have no

569
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 2: problem with that. I mean, that's in a weird way,

570
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Speaker 2: That's what I would say. The sport has always been

571
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 2: basketball and football. You know, financing the I got no

572
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 2: problem with it, but that that is one hundred percent

573
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 2: the world we're living in now, and it's really separating

574
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Speaker 2: at the top. I mean, think about your guy Lane

575
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 2: Ole miss this year, they break the bank and then

576
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Speaker 2: they don't even make the playoffs. Are they less likely

577
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Speaker 2: to keep breaking the bank when you don't have results? Yeah?

578
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Speaker 1: And I and I also think this is coaches will

579
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: get poached. You know, A prime example is John It's

580
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: harder to fire a college basketball coach because he can

581
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: go to his boosters as donors and his ad and go,

582
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Speaker 1: I've made the tournament twelve straight years. Okay, you can't

583
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: get rid of Sark. If Stark makes the playoff, and

584
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: he will ten to the next eleven years, you're not

585
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Speaker 1: going to get rid of him if he can win

586
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Speaker 1: a game or two here and there. And my point

587
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: being is, so these coaches now are going to make

588
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Speaker 1: in enormous money, like better than NFL money for a

589
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: lot of these guys. Can the SEC schools pay for that?

590
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Speaker 1: I mean, let's just say tomorrow, let's say one of

591
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: the coaches in the Big Ten doesn't work. Ryan Day's fine,

592
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: Ryan Franklin's gone. I mean, most of the guys are fine.

593
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Speaker 1: But let's say, for instance, a school goes and offers

594
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Speaker 1: Lane Kiffen a job and in the Big ten they say,

595
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Speaker 1: here's twelve million dollars. Can an sec school fund their

596
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: collective and pay the football head coach, not the staff

597
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: twenty million dollars? This is going to funnel down to

598
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Speaker 1: the coaches? Is now a lot of these guys are

599
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: suiting giving up for money. Colin Brian Kelly gave a

600
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Speaker 1: million dollars to help fund the collective. Did you see

601
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Speaker 1: that story?

602
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 2: A couple like a month ago? He gave a million

603
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Speaker 2: dollars of his own salary to the collective? Why because

604
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Speaker 2: elis do you think you have to do that? Ohio State?

605
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 2: But no, it's hard for him to say, I'm making

606
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Speaker 2: nine and a half million dollars and the collective were

607
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 2: a little short. And then you start getting heat. When

608
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Speaker 2: Underwood goes to Michigan, It's like, well, I got to

609
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 2: give in a little bit. That's that to me was

610
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Speaker 2: a pretty big red flag for LSU. He had to

611
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Speaker 2: give a million dollars of a sell.

612
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Speaker 1: Well, if so, if you telling me that I didn't

613
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: hear that story, so Saban saying, get me out of here.

614
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly giving up a million listen for years and

615
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: years the SEC, and it was just it was just

616
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: everybody knew it. They were paying kids through the churches.

617
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: But I'm talking paying a kid one hundred thousand buck fifty.

618
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Speaker 1: That is doesn't even I mean, it just doesn't even compete.

619
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Speaker 1: And I think I'll just say it now. The SEC

620
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: may never get worse than the second best conference, but

621
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Speaker 1: if the Big Ten truly cares going forward, they will

622
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Speaker 1: control college football going forward. And you know, for the record,

623
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Speaker 1: Michigan won last year, Ohio State won this year. You

624
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: see Penn State outside of Carter, and that tight end

625
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: returns everybody Penn States and they're gonna be back.

626
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 2: Drew Aller.

627
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Speaker 1: Penn State next year loses a great tight end and

628
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: a great then these are first round players. But Michigan

629
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Speaker 1: next year, Washington, Ohio State, Oregon, Oregon's still really good.

630
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: Like the Big Ten, this was a little bit of

631
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Speaker 1: a down year. Let's be honest. Michigan in a rebuild,

632
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: Washington to rebuild, Caleb william leaves USC in a rebuild,

633
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: all those teams should be better next year.

634
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Speaker 2: Well, the other thing is, and you mentioned Michigan State

635
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Speaker 2: with their big boosters. I mean, I'm sure you agree.

636
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Speaker 2: I think Jonathan Smith's a stud and this is the

637
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 2: worst team He's gonna have coach in there so they

638
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 2: will be better. I mean, he's a high level coach,

639
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 2: Nebraska funneling and a bunch of money. I think the

640
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 2: problem for the SEC is for about fifteen years in

641
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Speaker 2: the saving era and when other teams would kind of

642
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 2: match them, like LSU want to give a year obviously

643
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 2: Georgia at the end, Clemson was basically, as my buddy

644
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 2: Phil Savage used to tell me, they were an SEC

645
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 2: in their heyday, an SEC school playing an ACC schedule.

646
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 2: But they had SEC players, well, their backups right when

647
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 2: you start training camp, and you don't know who, like

648
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 2: at the time, a freshman or sophomore, who's gonna kind

649
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 2: of separate. You just let them battle it out, and

650
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 2: then the one guy that wins the job ends up

651
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 2: being the first round pick, Well, his backup is still

652
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 2: a fourth rounder. And if that guy gets injured, you know,

653
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 2: in the seventh game of the season, your backup still

654
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 2: a fourth rounder. Well, now that guy goes I'm out

655
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 2: and all these other programs are lined up to take them,

656
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 2: and he's like, well, I might as well make the

657
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 2: same amount of money and go start then be a backup.

658
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 2: That was their biggest advantage I always thought is they're

659
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 2: too deep. Was the last like right at the beginning

660
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 2: of the NIL, right before the NL, when Kirby was

661
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:49,239
Speaker 2: basically turned Georgia into Alabama, he went too deep with like,

662
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 2: my first rounder is my starter and my backup is

663
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 2: a second rounder. Good luck touching me. And you didn't. Well,

664
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Speaker 2: we saw this year they were a shell of themselves

665
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 2: and it's going to be difficult to just maintain that

666
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 2: dominance because they do have the talent in the region.

667
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 2: But these other schools just we got technology. Now can

668
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 2: just send you the offer contract on docu sign. I

669
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 2: was like, here's the money, buddy, you want to come

670
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 2: And what do you think Their parents and agents are

671
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 2: clearly saying, Ohio State's been doing it since Urban got there.

672
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 2: But then Hardboss start getting involved. We know Oregon's going

673
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 2: to keep funneling out of the SEC in the South. Really,

674
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 2: Mario started that Penn State, Like the one thing you say,

675
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 2: all those guys going back to Penn State. One thing

676
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 2: James Franklin is is a great recruiter. Yeah, if you

677
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 2: give him money, his energy and his effort. I do

678
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 2: think Texas is going to run the SEC moving forward.

679
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Speaker 1: So yeah, fans can say what they want. Bama is

680
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: in big trouble. LSU is in big trouble. Big trouble

681
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 1: Georgia because they're close to Atlanta. There's some big boosters there.

682
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: But remember Atlanta's got the Braves, the Falcons. I mean,

683
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: they've got you know that, They've got a lot of

684
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 1: things happening in Atlanta. It's a very splintered market. Yeah,

685
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: I think we're.

686
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,879
Speaker 2: Talking when we stay trouble right the day of going

687
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 2: twelve and zero and winning that is, you still might

688
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 2: win eight nine games, but you're never going to be

689
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 2: what probably we've seen in the past.

690
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I don't even think. I mean, that's not

691
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Speaker 1: even a take. That's not a hot take. I mean,

692
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: the SEC, the days of running it are over, back

693
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: to back years and again I'll say it again, Ohio

694
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: State next year, Jeremiah Smith and Caleb Downs, the two

695
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: best players in the college football, likextup, are both back.

696
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: And you know, I mean, and now you're going to

697
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 1: how you think the recruiting is going to go transfer

698
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: portal is going to go off this win. I mean

699
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: the players, listen, man, those star players, they watch what

700
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: Ohio State is tonight. It's a factory up there. Their

701
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,800
Speaker 1: role in it looks like Ryan Day and Chip Kelly.

702
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Speaker 1: I mean, I thought the game plan tonight for Ohio

703
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: State looked like a pro game plan. I mean the

704
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: way if you watch the game plan tonight for Ohio State,

705
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: those first two drives, it was so Chip Kelly. Let's

706
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: build up, Will Howard's confidence, easy completions, get the ball

707
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: to the playmaker. It was just I mean, I watched

708
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: enough Chip Kelly games and I'm like, oh, this is

709
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,240
Speaker 1: a clinic. This is Chip Kelly who doesn't probably doesn't

710
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: think Will Howard's an elite player. But within the system,

711
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: he can get those twelve yard and in completions. He's accurate.

712
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: Notre Dame never made Will Howard uncomfortable. I mean, and

713
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: this is a beat up bowl line. I mean he was.

714
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Speaker 1: Will Howard was sitting back there at one point, I

715
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: don't know what he was six for six, seven for

716
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 1: seven on third down. Notre Dame just couldn't make him uncomfortable.

717
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 2: I would say this, if you've watched Chip Kelly since Oregon,

718
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 2: if he's busting explosive runs, you got no shot. And

719
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 2: the moment they start hitting big runs, you're in trouble.

720
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Speaker 2: Especially with the firepower. They have to throw the ball,

721
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 2: because then what are you gonna do? Stack the box

722
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 2: and let them exploit you and say what you want

723
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 2: about Will Howard, I questioned it coming into this playoff

724
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 2: run Colin in the first half he was fourteen to

725
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 2: fifteen for two touchdowns and he's just you remove the

726
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,959
Speaker 2: Texas game, which was difficult just endeavor for him, given

727
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 2: how good Texas is on defense. He was dominant in

728
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 2: the three matches against Tennessee, which has NFL personnel on defense. Obviously,

729
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 2: Oregon is loaded with NFL players, and tonight just National

730
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 2: Championship Notre Dame to come out. He's played. Really, he's

731
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 2: made himself some money. I'm not saying he's gonna get

732
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Speaker 2: drafted in the second day, but I think he's got

733
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Speaker 2: to get a drafted in the somewhere between the fourth

734
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Speaker 2: and the sixth round.

735
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Speaker 1: First of all, I think the kid at Syracuse, Kyle

736
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:36,280
Speaker 1: McCord and Will Howard are going to get drafted late third, fourth,

737
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: early fifth round. But both big, strong, sturdy kids who

738
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Speaker 1: throw a nice ball with velocity.

739
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Speaker 2: They'll think I think McCord if he has a good

740
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 2: you know this post season before the draft process, could

741
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 2: go on the second day of the draft. Or I

742
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 2: think Will Howard just because he throws more of a

743
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 2: pure ball.

744
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Speaker 1: Just I looked at him on YouTube today.

745
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know how these quarterback coaches are, these

746
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 2: offensive coordinators are they when you're just sitting out there.

747
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 2: I think there's just an element to Will Howard and

748
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 2: I would say the same about Riley Leonard. They're just

749
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 2: kind of good football players. I don't know how good

750
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 2: they would look just in a just shorts T shirts,

751
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 2: throwing routes on air in front of the head coach.

752
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 2: I mean, they're not exactly throwing it like Josh Allen

753
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,280
Speaker 2: out there. And they're good runners, but they're not running.

754
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 2: You know what Riley Leonard does and it's fun to watch.

755
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 2: Is that does that translate to the NFL? Just running

756
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 2: over guys? That's hard and that's that's but he listen,

757
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 2: he grew on me over this run. He's clearly the

758
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 2: high level guy and I think both of them are

759
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 2: going to be loved by once the coaches get into

760
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 2: the draft process, because they're clearly like just high level kids.

761
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: Chad Millman, co host of the Favorites Sharper Square. All

762
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: odds provided by DraftKings. So I had a rare I

763
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: don't think I had an undefeated this year three and

764
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: ozero last week. And I think it's actually easier in

765
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: the playoffs. I've had back to back weeks because the

766
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are all you know, it's sudden death, it's the

767
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: best quarterbacks. It's going to start with this before we

768
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: start with anything. You know, there's this sense that, you know,

769
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,280
Speaker 1: Kansas City, Jason McIntyre's on this thing about the calls

770
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: going a certain way, and I always point back, Kansas

771
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: City's gotten the benefit of the calls. Well, my argument is,

772
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 1: we all know coaching matters more in football than managing

773
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: in baseball or coaching in basketball. We know coaching college

774
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: or pro. We've seen Jim Harbaugh take over the worst

775
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: defense make it the best. Coaching matters in football more

776
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: than other sports. You have like a phone book that

777
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: offensive players have to memorize, and system scheme, culture building.

778
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: And I remember when I lived in Connecticut watching all

779
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,760
Speaker 1: the Patriot games, and I can remember watching for years

780
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 1: and it just popping into my head when they were

781
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: playing a team team fumbled. I'm like, God, I don't

782
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: think the Patriots have fumbled since Thanksgiving. And you went

783
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: back and looked and they literally were the team in

784
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: the league that didn't fumble. And I'd asked Patriot players

785
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: about this, They're like, oh, yeah, Bill would not let

786
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: you stretch for extra yards. That was a fine, that

787
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: was a suspension. You could only do it if it

788
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: was fourth down in the ends. Otherwise you were not

789
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: allowed to stretch. And I look at the Chiefs and

790
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: I say to myself, really good coaches are really good teachers,

791
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: and you can teach your way out of penalties with

792
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: good communication, thorough repetition. Damian Woody always told me Patriot

793
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: practice was different than every other practice has Detroit his

794
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 1: Jets practices. So what your take on the Chiefs get

795
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: all the calls, because if you go back and look

796
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: at the penalties during the New England era, they were

797
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: last penalies as well.

798
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Speaker 2: I think it's bullshit.

799
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Speaker 4: I think it's a media can instructed argument because people

800
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 4: are looking for reasons as to why the Chiefs keep

801
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 4: winning other than they have a generationally great quarterback, a

802
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 4: generationally if not historically great coach. Our mutual friend Ryan

803
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 4: Rosillo had a great stat on his podcast the other day.

804
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 4: The past two years, Kansas City opponents have been flagged

805
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 4: for forty eight penalties in the fourth quarter and ot

806
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 4: of one score games. Colin, how many have the Chiefs

807
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 4: had in the same period, twelve forty seven. So let's

808
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 4: not get off. Okay, Well, you have in the Chiefs

809
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 4: are a coach who has found the perfect cheak code

810
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 4: for his ski. He's got a guy who is ultra competitive,

811
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 4: who can make magical plays. Who, by the way, as

812
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 4: Tom Brady pointed out on your show, having to defend

813
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes for four downs in the playoffs is just

814
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 4: so freaking hard. You don't get to seven conference championship

815
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 4: games because people are calling penalties against the opponents more often.

816
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 4: Ask Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson has two MVPs. He might

817
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 4: get a third, He should get a third. How many

818
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,280
Speaker 4: AFC title games has he played in? How many Super

819
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 4: Bowls has he played in? He is as brilliant an

820
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 4: athlete and as brilliant a quarterback as there is in

821
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 4: the NFL. He's not getting there. Patrick Mahomes and the

822
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Speaker 4: Chiefs do something different, and I think it's in the

823
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 4: head of every single team they play.

824
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Speaker 1: Well, let's start off with the Commanders and the Eagles.

825
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: I'm going to take Philadelphia minus six. I'm also going

826
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: to take the over. I do think they've played twice.

827
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,280
Speaker 1: Philadelphia should have won twice, but Jalen got hurt, Kenny

828
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: Pickett came in. So I think the number I look

829
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Speaker 1: at over two games is average yards per carry, and

830
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 1: it's five and a half yards for Philadelphia. Well, that's

831
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: just that's a physical mismatch. The O line for Philadelphia

832
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: is almost better to a man than the D line

833
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,280
Speaker 1: for Washington. That's not going to change. That's not scheme.

834
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: The guards for Philadelphia are like six seven and a half,

835
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: it's like the biggest guards in league history are four.

836
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: Of Their offensive linemen are like arguably the best in

837
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: the NFL at their position. So they will run the

838
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: ball and they will move the ball. But I do

839
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: think the Commanders will have to score and know what

840
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: going in, so they'll take chances. They'll do some four

841
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: down stuff, so My take is it's a fairly high

842
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 1: scoring game, which makes me more comfortable laying the six

843
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: with Philadelphia sharper score.

844
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Speaker 4: So it was sharp at four and a half, it's

845
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 4: gotten to six. It actually got up to six and

846
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 4: a half, and wise guys have been buying back and

847
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 4: in a lot of the conversations I've had this week,

848
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 4: and Simon Hunter and I talked about this on the

849
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Speaker 4: Favorites today when we sort of bring in the feedback

850
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 4: from professional betters, they were liking Washington and it honestly

851
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 4: doesn't make sense to me or to Simon and apparently

852
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 4: to you either. Last week people were coming in and

853
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 4: they were hammering the Rams. I loved the Eagles all

854
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 4: week and if not for Jake Elliott missing a couple

855
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 4: extra points, that game is not a push, it's a

856
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 4: cover for the Eagles. Same thing this week. I don't

857
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 4: get it. I feel like there's so much recency bias

858
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 4: in relation to Jaden Daniels and both of these games. Weirdly,

859
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 4: there is so much public support for the road underdogs

860
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 4: against the higher seeds because of the status of the

861
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 4: quarterbacks and the seasons there having Josh Allen is having

862
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 4: a better year than Patrick Mahomes, Jane Daniels having a

863
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 4: better year than Jalen Hurts. But people are forgetting that

864
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 4: this Eagles team is not built around Jalen Hurts, right,

865
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 4: It's built around Saquon Barkley. And one of the things

866
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 4: that I tried to unpack this week when I was

867
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 4: thinking about this game is the Eagles win so often

868
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 4: with explosive plays. We saw this past weekend two huge

869
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 4: runs from Barkley, a great run from Hurtz. That's how

870
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 4: they're scoring touchdowns right. Earlier in the season in November

871
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 4: in Philadelphia against the Commanders, the Eagles were losing most

872
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 4: of that game. I was at that game. They won

873
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 4: that game because Saquon Bardley had two long touchdown runs.

874
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 4: So you think about explosive play as well. Is that random?

875
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 4: Can you predict it? I think is more random when

876
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 4: it's quarterbacks throwing long touchdown passes with the circumstances have

877
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 4: to be perfect. It's less random when it's your running

878
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 4: back who has an offensive line that is as dominant

879
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 4: as you.

880
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 2: Just talked about.

881
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 4: Who's by the way, his rushing prope is one hundred

882
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 4: north of one hundred and thirty yards, which DraftKings has

883
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 4: announced is the highest total they've ever had for a

884
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 4: rushing prop in the years that they've been doing business.

885
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 4: So I'm with you, man, I like the Eagles. I

886
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 4: think it's the right spot. I think they're the better team.

887
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 4: I tend to favor the dominant, physical team.

888
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, is there a prop you could give our

889
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,879
Speaker 1: audience that you like? I like the over in this game,

890
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: but a prop.

891
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 4: You zach Ertz over three and a half receptions. I

892
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 4: think that the Eagles defensively on the edges at cornerback

893
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 4: Quinnyon Mitchell is supposed to play. We already know about

894
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 4: Cooper Degene and the slot Darius Slayh obviously. On the

895
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 4: other side, that's where Jaden Daniels, who was already predisposed

896
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 4: to wanting to go to zach Ertz if Terry McLaurin

897
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 4: isn't available, isn't open. I think that that's where the

898
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 4: offensive opportunities are going to be. So zach Ertz over

899
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 4: three and a half.

900
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting I was talking on the show

901
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: today ten years ago pay Manning, big Ben and Brady,

902
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: where these iconic legends past their prime. In fact, Peyton

903
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: was in Denver, But I remember thinking at the time,

904
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: she's what is the league gonna do? What is the

905
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: league gonna do? And now we've got Lamar, Mahomes, Allen

906
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: and Throwing Burrow. But in the NFC ten quarterbacks in

907
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 1: the last ten Super Bowl appearances for NFC teams, it's

908
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: a lot of rotational quarterbacks. That's why it almost feels

909
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 1: like Jayden Daniels has a shot. Hurts would be the

910
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: second time for him, So I do. I said this

911
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: today as I watched Jaden Daniels, and I feel like

912
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: the NFC got their Mahomes that everybody will they'll be

913
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 1: tailing Washington going forward. I don't think it's a particularly

914
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 1: warm take. I feel like he is either Lamar or Mahomes.

915
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: But the NFC has had this sort of goff an

916
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 1: Older Stafford, a prickly Aaron Russell, Wilson, aging Kyler. Murray's talented,

917
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 1: but there's just been a lot of these qualifiers and

918
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: they haven't had their no issues, low maintenance, high thrower,

919
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,760
Speaker 1: good mover. I think he's the Mahomes of the NFC.

920
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,760
Speaker 4: What's really going to be interesting. I agree with everything

921
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 4: you said. What's going to be interesting is next year.

922
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 4: Next year, the Commanders are already sixteen to one to

923
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 4: win the Super Bowl. That feels very aggressive. Weren't we

924
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 4: saying the same things about c J. Stroud exactly a

925
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 4: year ago? And did c J. Stroud not come back

926
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 4: down to earth that defenses not spend an off season

927
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 4: figuring out that he's not great against certain defenses, that

928
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 4: it's going to be challenging for him to succeed at

929
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 4: the level that he did in his rookie year and

930
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 4: he didn't. Not saying he's not great, not saying he's

931
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 4: going to be great. But of all the great quarterbacks

932
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 4: you just mentioned when the season began, c J. Stroud

933
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 4: was on that list. Now he's not. So next year

934
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,879
Speaker 4: is there going to be an opportunity to fade the Commanders?

935
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 4: Like in reality, the Commander should probably be seven seven

936
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 4: and a half point underdogs in this game. The Eagles

937
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 4: are dominant physically on the defensive side of the ball

938
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:18,760
Speaker 4: and on the offensive side of the ball. The Commanders

939
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 4: are not going to have their right guard Sam Cosmy,

940
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,800
Speaker 4: who's their best offensive lineman. The eagles best defensive lineman

941
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,240
Speaker 4: is Jalen Carter, And normally you're not going to worry

942
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 4: about a right guard being out as being a challenge

943
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 4: for your pass protection. But when Jalen Carter is rushing

944
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 4: up the middle, your right guard might be the guy

945
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:37,959
Speaker 4: who needs to grab a piece of him every once

946
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 4: in a while. You're now not going to have a guy,

947
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 4: and so all of a sudden these things change. You're

948
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 4: already getting the benefit. I think of Jaden Daniels being

949
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 4: someone who people believe is a cheat code, and they're

950
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 4: overvaluing that in the scope of the entire game.

951
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: Yeah. I will say though, that CJ. Stroud didn't have

952
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: the mobility edge, which I've always thought mobility's best for

953
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: a quarterback in the first two years because as you're

954
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: learning NFL coverages and waiting for the light to go on,

955
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: you can just pick up first downs moving, whereas c J.

956
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: Stroud is going to pick up first downs throwing, and

957
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: so he is much more susceptible. As coverages get more sophisticated,

958
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: you face better teams. He had injuries on the O line.

959
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: They didn't have protection. I think running quarterbacks Lamar he

960
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: never really dipped mahomes Allen. They just kept getting better.

961
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 2: Goff was.

962
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 1: Beholden to how good his O line was, yeah, you know, bad,

963
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 1: Whitworth's good, Whitworth leaves not as good, or around that

964
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 1: time when Whitworth was aging, and then he goes to Detroit,

965
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 1: not good. Early line got better, He's better. So I

966
00:50:55,280 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 1: think I think Jayden, I think CJ. Stroud's NFL comp

967
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: was golf, and like golf, he deteriorates with really bad

968
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 1: line play significantly, whereas I think Jaden is Lamar and

969
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: Mahomes where it's just ascension because he moves the chains

970
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 1: while he's figuring out defenses and it takes about even

971
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 1: Mahomes said it was the beginning of year three when

972
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:25,280
Speaker 1: everything just sort of slowed down. So I don't think

973
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,240
Speaker 1: I think he's I think we're really looking at something specially.

974
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 4: I don't disagree. I think the guy is a brilliant player,

975
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 4: and I think it's more evidence that you want to

976
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 4: get quarterbacks who have a lot of experience playing in college,

977
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 4: who've taken a lot of snaps, who've played a lot

978
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 4: of games. That's always been a threshold for GMS and

979
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 4: coaches who are looking to draft quarterbacks. I remember when

980
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 4: Philip Rivers came out, he had played so many games

981
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 4: in college people didn't really know who he was at

982
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 4: NC State. I know I'm throwing a name out there

983
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 4: from like twenty five years ago, but I remember this

984
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 4: so clearly. I was at ESPN the Mat magazine, and

985
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 4: we were doing a draft issue, and it was the

986
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,839
Speaker 4: first time I ever heard a scout talk about the

987
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 4: importance of seeing quarterbacks on tape with a lot of

988
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 4: games as they get older. And we're seeing that with

989
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 4: Jadeen Daniels, Like his experience level keeps him from being

990
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 4: really frightened in these experiences because he's so much older

991
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 4: than the average quarterback coming out, and he's had so

992
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 4: many more snaps, and he understands the rhythm of the

993
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 4: game and understands the moment a little bit better in

994
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,800
Speaker 4: addition to his unbelievable talent. But I can guarantee you

995
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 4: right now we can set a number on it. The

996
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 4: number of times will set it at seven and a

997
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:45,879
Speaker 4: half at this time next year. How many times over

998
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 4: the course of Sharper Square have I said to you, well,

999
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 4: the commanders are overvalued here because Jaden Daniels is getting

1000
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 4: too much credit and too much attention. I guarantee you

1001
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 4: I'm going to say that an every other week basis

1002
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 4: to you on this show.

1003
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: Show Let's go AFC. I'm riding with the Bills. I

1004
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: have for the last month. I feel they're the best

1005
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 1: team in football. The Rams had to play a perfect

1006
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 1: game at home to slip by in the Rams, I

1007
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: think we're a very good team at the end. I'll

1008
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: take the one and a half again. I think there's

1009
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: going to be points scored. I think there's limitations on

1010
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: stopping Allan and Mahomes. I think you get into these games.

1011
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: Coaches are more willing. Brady and Andy Reid are more

1012
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 1: willing to take risks. It's sudden death. You empty the

1013
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: playbook because you have two weeks to prepare for the

1014
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, So just empty the playbook. I'd take the

1015
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: over forty seven and a half Bills plus one and

1016
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: a half. I can absolutely see Kansas City winning. I

1017
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 1: think this is the best version of Buffalo for two reasons. One,

1018
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: they do not turn it over, they're not heavily penalized,

1019
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: and you can't get to Josh Allen. They're the mature version,

1020
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 1: which Baltimore hasn't become yet with Lamar. They're still, like

1021
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: I said this before, Buffalo's always been a Ferrari with

1022
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 1: Josh Allen. They just no longer at speeding tickets. They

1023
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: don't make the mistakes, they don't get caught like they

1024
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: slow down in front of the cops. So they have

1025
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: all the talent, but they don't have that sort of

1026
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: in Baltimore's trying to work theirself out of this. That's

1027
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 1: sort of like, we can't slow down. We just we

1028
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: go one hundred miles an hour. So I think they've

1029
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:22,720
Speaker 1: become they become the Chiefs, and I think eventually they're

1030
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: going to beat the Chiefs, which they have in the

1031
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: regular season. Sharper square bills plus the point sharp ish.

1032
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 4: It's been an interesting number. It opened at one and

1033
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 4: a half, and even though the majority of the money,

1034
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 4: which indicates professional betters like the bills, and the majority

1035
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 4: of the tickets, which also indicates the public likes the bills,

1036
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 4: it's kind of stuck at one and a half. In fact,

1037
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 4: there's been a little bit of sort of juice movement,

1038
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 4: meaning they're making it more expensive to bet the one

1039
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 4: and a half on the Chiefs because they want you

1040
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 4: to take the one and a half because pretty soon

1041
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 4: they're going to go to two. I think that you're

1042
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 4: on the professional side, not in a dominant way. I'm

1043
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 4: gonna play devil's advocate. Everything you're saying is right. Josh

1044
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 4: Allen gets out of the pocket. To me, he's as

1045
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 4: frightening as and frustrating as Lamar Jackson and Patrick Mahomes,

1046
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 4: and their running game this year has been so freaking good.

1047
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 4: They played the number one team in defensive rush success

1048
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 4: rate in the Broncos and rush them on the ground.

1049
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 4: They played the number two team in defensive rush success

1050
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 4: rate in the Ravens, and crush them on the ground.

1051
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 4: The Chiefs are not nearly as good at defending the

1052
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,319
Speaker 4: run as either the Ravens or the Broncos. And they're

1053
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 4: going to have to figure out how to manage Josh

1054
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 4: Allen when it's third and one or fourth and one,

1055
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 4: who's clearly unstoppable. How they're going to have to manage

1056
00:55:56,120 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 4: James Cook. All that is true. Zero evidence colin that

1057
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes is going to lose this game. Zero like

1058
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 4: in November on in games where the weather is forty

1059
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 4: degrees or less, twenty three and two in his career.

1060
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:22,240
Speaker 4: The last loss was to Tom Brady in twenty nineteen.

1061
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 4: He's won twenty in a row Andy Reid with Mahomes

1062
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 4: with an extra day of rest, just one extra day

1063
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 4: of rest, which he has twenty and three, fourteen and

1064
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 4: one at home. Like, It's just why would I want

1065
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 4: to do this? I've been given every opportunity to bet

1066
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 4: the Chiefs as a.

1067
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 2: Short home dog.

1068
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes seven straight AFC title games, three Super Bowls

1069
00:56:56,440 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 4: in the past five years, going for third in a row.

1070
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 4: He is going to challenge Tom Brady as the greatest

1071
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 4: quarterback who's ever played, and he might do it before

1072
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:13,280
Speaker 4: he's thirty two years old? Like what am I doing here?

1073
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 4: Why would I bet against Patrick Mahomes. I had a

1074
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 4: buddy call the other day and tell me I'm all

1075
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 4: over the bills. I'm like why and why would you

1076
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 4: do that? With confidence? Like you just can't. It's it's hard.

1077
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 4: I get it. I'm afraid of it. But there's no

1078
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 4: way I'm betting against Patrick Mahomes. There is no way.

1079
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 4: But yeah, I like the OVERTWO.

1080
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 1: So I saw a story this week and apparently sometimes

1081
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: in the media, well I think media people like to

1082
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: be viewed as smart and they try to figure stuff out.

1083
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 1: I'm guilty of this. I'm always trying to figure out

1084
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: theories or why, and sometimes the answer is always the

1085
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 1: simple answer. So I saw a story this week and

1086
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,919
Speaker 1: it just made me laugh where the college football game

1087
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 1: was down three million viewers and everybody was flummixed, and

1088
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, guys, men like Trump statistically in this election.

1089
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 1: Young men love Trump, young men love football. Inauguration Day

1090
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 1: was Monday, that's the day of the National Championship, and

1091
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 1: so the number was down about three million viewers, especially

1092
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 1: when Notre Dame fell behind thirty one to seven. That's

1093
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 1: the answer, right, Like, it wasn't that we hate Ohio

1094
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: State and Notre Dame. It was every four years in

1095
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 1: inauguration with a polarizing Trump, who, for the record, does

1096
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 1: very well in this election with young men.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I saw the numbers too.

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Speaker 4: It's so funny you say that, because I saw the

1100
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Speaker 4: numbers this morning and I saw a story, just a line,

1101
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 4: you know, down whatever percent it was ten percent or whatever,

1102
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 4: it was, right, twelve percent.

1103
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:07,439
Speaker 2: And as soon as.

1104
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 4: I clicked out, and I'm like, someone's going to try

1105
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 4: to explain why this is. This isn't rocket science trying

1106
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 4: to find patterns when you do year over year comps.

1107
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 4: You can do year over comps, year over year comps

1108
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 4: with every podcast in the Volume network. You can do

1109
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 4: it with your show. The circumstances are always different. We

1110
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:31,919
Speaker 4: do this at Action all the time too. How come

1111
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 4: this Monday night game is down from the year before? Well,

1112
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 4: who was the matchup? Was it a game where you

1113
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:38,439
Speaker 4: had Was it a night where you had two Monday

1114
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 4: night games play being played instead of one? Because when

1115
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 4: you have two Monday night games, traffic sometimes dips a

1116
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 4: little bit because attention is diverted and games start a

1117
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 4: little bit earlier, so people aren't online as early. Like,

1118
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 4: there's so many easy to unpack answers to so many

1119
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 4: of the questions that are asked in sports. It's phenomenal.

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Speaker 4: We try to make it as complicated as we do.

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01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 4: And to your point about politics mixing with sports and

1122
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 4: impacting sports. Two years ago, ninety three of the top

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Speaker 4: one hundred broadcasts in the United States were sports. This

1124
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 4: past year in twenty twenty four, eighty one of the

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Speaker 4: top one hundred. Do you know why, because there were

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Speaker 4: so many debates and so many political events that were

1127
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 4: leading the coverage that we're getting so many more viewers,

1128
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Speaker 4: so of course there's going to be changes on a

1129
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 4: year to year basis because of the overall world and

1130
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 4: what's happening, not because of anything about myopically what we

1131
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:43,439
Speaker 4: think of Ohio State or Notre Dame.

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Speaker 1: Well, I had, I have. I worked in local TV

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01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 1: for over a decade, and so I still you know,

1134
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 1: I still have friends in local TV. Not as many.

1135
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 1: Many have retired or dodd or things or moved on.

1136
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 1: But you know, it's like you're going to notice over

1137
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 1: the next ten years there'll be a little bit of

1138
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 1: renaissance in local TV ratings. Why because of climate change

1139
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 1: and whenever you have severe weather or disasters. Local reporters

1140
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 1: are better than national reporters. They've built trust for the

1141
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 1: audience and they know the terrain. A Dallas reporter, a Chicago, Minneapolis,

1142
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, New York reporter. If something happened to the

1143
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 1: Brooklyn Bridge forgets CNN. I'm watching the local guys, right.

1144
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 1: So LA local news ratings went up four hundred percent

1145
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 1: over the last two weeks. And I watched the coverage.

1146
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:41,920
Speaker 1: It was significantly better than CNN. And it's not a

1147
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 1: political It was significantly better than all national coverage because

1148
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 1: the local reporters. They all live in these towns and

1149
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 1: they knew They just know the topography and the canyons

1150
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 1: and the history, and so you know, it's you're gonna

1151
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 1: watch local TV ratings and you can call it whatever

1152
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 1: you want. But we're just getting more severe weather. It

1153
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 1: snowed in Pensacola, have a foot whatever, La had a

1154
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 1: blizzard two years ago, whatever. So yeah, I think most

1155
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:11,439
Speaker 1: of the stuff is fairly explainable. So when local TV

1156
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 1: ratings have a renaissance here in the next decade, that's

1157
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Speaker 1: mostly what it's going to be.

1158
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Speaker 4: I love that you talk about the weather component of it,

1159
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 4: because those are the only people I remember growing up

1160
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Speaker 4: when I watched local TV, and even here in West

1161
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 4: Hertford where you used to live, like Stacy and I,

1162
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 4: my wife and I, we love the local weather guy.

1163
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 4: And I love the local weather guy because he knows

1164
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 4: our town and he knows all the towns around us,

1165
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 4: and he knows the difference between here we're in a valley. Here,

1166
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 4: you're a little bit on a hill, so it's going

1167
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 4: to be a little bit colder here in the morning,

1168
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 4: you might have a little more frost. I live by

1169
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 4: what this guy says and I completely connect with what

1170
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 4: you're saying. What's actually frightening. I don't know if you

1171
01:02:56,840 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 4: saw it this week, but there is one broadcast that

1172
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 4: owns a lot of local stations that is letting go

1173
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 4: of all their local weather people and having a singular

1174
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 4: sort of source of weather information and segments that is

1175
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 4: then being distributed out to the local channels. It's sort

1176
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 4: of like the single service provider within an organization, which

1177
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 4: is idiotic.

1178
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 1: That is the opposite of what I would do over

1179
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 1: the next ten years. Get rid of the local sports guys,

1180
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 1: love them to death, but everybody's watching some other platform.

1181
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 1: I want massive weather people locally for the next decade,

1182
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. We're just getting more

1183
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 1: combustible weather, hot, cold, wind, rain, whatever.

1184
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 2: It makes no sense.

1185
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 4: I saw it. I'm like, the one thing people care

1186
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 4: about is weather. It's the only thing people are checking

1187
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 4: for in the morning, Like that is what can save

1188
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 4: local television. And you're going out there, you're firing all

1189
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 4: the weather people. So it made zero sense to me.

1190
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 2: Zero.

1191
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 1: Sometimes I wish sometimes I wish I was a billionaire,

1192
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 1: not because I'd buy a bunch of stuff, because I've

1193
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 1: never had a second car. I'm not a boat guy.

1194
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 1: I'm not a jewelry guy or a watch guy. I'm

1195
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 1: not a collector. I'm really not.

1196
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 2: I don't care.

1197
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:26,919
Speaker 1: But there are things I would like. Things I would

1198
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 1: like to do in society they can't afford to do.

1199
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 1: Like I'll be honest with you, when Fox created a

1200
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 1: weather channel, I wish I could have been the CEO

1201
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 1: of Fox's Weather Channel. I would have loved that job.

1202
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 1: And if it paid what I make and I can

1203
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 1: still make my mortgage, I was I've always wanted like

1204
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 1: Byron Allen, the former comedian who became a wildly successful entrepreneur,

1205
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 1: bought the Weather Channel, and I think it's the only

1206
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 1: time I've ever been jealous of another member of the

1207
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:58,120
Speaker 1: American media. Was Byron Allen bought the Weather Channel, and

1208
01:04:58,160 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn it.

1209
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 4: By the way, it might be Byron Allen who fired

1210
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 4: off a local weather people because he wants all the

1211
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 4: weather to come from the Weather Channel.

1212
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 2: Like that.

1213
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 1: All I know that is forget Oprah. That's the most

1214
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 1: successful local media person in the history of our business.

1215
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 1: He's the one guy I'm jealous of.

1216
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 4: I'm just checking right now. Yeah, Alan Media Group replaces meteorologists,

1217
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 4: dozens of meteorologists with pre recorded feats.

1218
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 2: So I don't know.

1219
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 4: I think we've got to call brought Byron and we

1220
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 4: got to tell him we think this is a bad idea.

1221
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:42,920
Speaker 4: And we are very respected and admired members of the media.

1222
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 2: The volume