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Speaker 1: We're gonna be going to the Vikings training camp. Penn

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Speaker 1: for the Nitney Lyons joining us today. We are in Chicago.

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Speaker 1: J mckin know we're having an AI revolution in this country,

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Speaker 1: and I think it's going to create life altering, life

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Speaker 1: saving medical advances. I tend to be an optimist, but

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Speaker 1: it'll save all of us time. There's two ways to

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Speaker 1: look at AI. You could be afraid of it. I

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Speaker 1: am not. I think it's going to be amazing. Also,

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Speaker 1: America remains the best place for global wealth to park

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Speaker 1: its money. A lot of good things happening in sports,

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Speaker 1: but sometimes I just don't want sports to become politics.

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to start today's show with that. So

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Speaker 1: let's start with that. The Dodgers. Oh, everybody's afraid of

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Speaker 1: the Dodgers. They're in a total tail spin. Bullpen imploded

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Speaker 1: again last night. Nobody can hit. They've lost ten of thirteen.

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Speaker 1: Nothing going right for the Dodgers. And I mean last

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Speaker 1: night it's the Minnesota Twins that jump out to a lead.

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Speaker 1: You know, Tawny Knox went out. They can't do anything right.

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Speaker 1: Before the season started the off season, it was unfair.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe all the money they have, and I

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Speaker 1: just hope sports never becomes politics. Politics in twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: five is fear mongering both sides, the world's going to

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Speaker 1: end and conspiracy theories a majority on one side. In sports,

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Speaker 1: you occasionally hear it, and we heard it about the

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Speaker 1: Dodgers as we went into the season. It's unfair. The

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Speaker 1: little guy can't compete in baseball. This year, the Milwaukee

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Speaker 1: Brewers are tied for the best record, small market Milwaukee.

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Speaker 1: They have swept the Dodgers twice. They have a great manager,

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Speaker 1: Pat Murphy, excellent well run organization, hottest team in baseball,

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Speaker 1: multiple great arms. They are going nowhere. Little market Milwaukee,

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Speaker 1: hottest team in baseball, have beaten the Dodgers this year

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Speaker 1: six times and have yet to lose to them. By

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Speaker 1: the way, the last NBA Finals, we just watched Oklahoma

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Speaker 1: and Sam Presty, a star from Canada. Three great stars.

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Speaker 1: They have so many draft they have more than multiple

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Speaker 1: nowhere could very well dominate the league. Or maybe it's Indiana.

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Speaker 1: Another small market team. Oh. By the way, the Cleveland Cavaliers,

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Speaker 1: the Orlando Magic, and the Spurs have really bright futures,

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Speaker 1: The NFL currently has one semi dynasty in small market

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Speaker 1: the Packers and the small market Ravens. The top four

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks you know it's all rigged, are in Cincinnati, Buffalo,

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Speaker 1: By the way, last ten years, both New York teams

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Speaker 1: and Chicago stink. The college basketball champion Gainesville, Florida college

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Speaker 1: if sports in this country are rigged, whoever's rigging it,

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Speaker 1: it's doing a terrible job. As for the Dodgers, it's

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Speaker 1: Yes, Now that doesn't mean all conspiracy theories are wrong.

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Speaker 1: Years ago, there were concerns about the tobacco industry causing cancer.

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Speaker 1: it's just we actually did land on the moon. That

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Speaker 1: one I'd put away. But here is a story that

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Speaker 1: I started last week that it's not a conspiracy theory.

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Speaker 1: So Tony Rizzo talking about the Brown's owner, he's a

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Speaker 1: Cleveland sports talk show host, Jimmy Haslam, and the Manning

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Speaker 5: I know it's nothing that they want to talk about,

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Speaker 1: It is not. In fact, this is the worst kept

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Speaker 1: is where Nick Saban comes in. Saban is incredibly close

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Speaker 1: I'm told a top quarterback like Harbaugh going to the

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Speaker 1: charges for Herbert, he would take a phone call for

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Speaker 1: Nick Saban has coached in Cleveland with the Browns under

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Speaker 1: not a conspiracy theory. Haslam's circle of trust, according to

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Speaker 1: Saban's agent. So the Mannings are royalty in New Orleans.

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Speaker 1: The children's hospital in New Orleans is called the Mannings

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Speaker 1: Children's Hospital, and the Mannings are royalty to Jimmy Haslam.

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Speaker 1: Jimmy has them. Also loves headlines. That's why he pushed

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Speaker 1: this is not a conspiracy theory. Okay, the circle of

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Speaker 1: two teams in this league that are going to be bad.

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Speaker 1: The Saints are going to be bad and the Browns

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Speaker 1: are going to be bad. Now, that doesn't mean Saban,

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Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski Andrew Berry, the g I'm more than capable,

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Speaker 1: but this story is a poorly kept secret. The Mannings, Haslam,

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Speaker 1: Last week. Lane Kiffen talked about it. Greg McElroy, Saban's

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Speaker 1: the NFL. All right, j Mack, You know, j Mack,

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Speaker 1: you are not a conspiracy theorist. We did land on

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Speaker 1: the moon. But you do hear this a lot? You

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Speaker 1: do what you really do? You heard it a lot

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Speaker 1: about the Dodgers before the season. There was all this

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Speaker 1: I think you do get more game day revenue in

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Speaker 1: big cities like New York, LA, Chicago, and Philadelphia. You

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Speaker 1: get great game day revenue. But really what runs sports

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Speaker 1: is passion, integrity, attention to detail, and sometimes in smaller

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Speaker 1: markets you can make mark few. The basketball coach at

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Speaker 1: Gonzaga always told me this. This is why Gonzaga wins

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Speaker 1: more than Ucla. He said, at Gonzaga, I can sign

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Speaker 1: the pressure of USC What are the stars. It's the

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Speaker 1: of the best run franchises in pro sports today, there

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Speaker 1: Cavaliers disappointed us this year. Look at their roster the

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Speaker 7: I actually was at the Dodgers game last night. They

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Speaker 7: five runs in the ninth. Like, I just was unimpressed

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Speaker 7: he loves arch Manning so much, is there a world

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Speaker 7: where Stefanski and the owner and the GM everybody got

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, they don't have to. The division has much

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Speaker 1: better rosters and much better quarterbacks. So Cleveland can try

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Speaker 1: to win, and I think in September, through good coaching,

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Speaker 1: they'll be fun to watch. But you can't convince a

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Speaker 1: you don't have to tank in the NFL. It'll all

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Speaker 1: The Rams also have two first round picks, and I've

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Speaker 1: so they can win games to go A weekend will,

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Speaker 1: In the NFL, bad teams by mid October are going

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Speaker 1: Cleveland isn't good. You just look at their schedules. These

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Speaker 9: This is the herdline news.

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Speaker 1: You also had ten fumbles last year. Again, I don't

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know it's too bad because where I think

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Speaker 1: think they'll be viable in September.

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Speaker 2: And then do you start operation tank for Arch.

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Speaker 7: Manning in the second half of the season.

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Speaker 2: Eli Manning is uncle very familiar with the Giants.

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Speaker 1: They said, here, here's the thing. Next year is such

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Speaker 1: a good quarterback class, and the Giants will have a

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Speaker 1: top five or six pack. There's no disputing that, and

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Speaker 1: I think they have talent. I think they're a quarterback away.

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Speaker 1: I don't think the Saints and the Browns are a

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Speaker 1: quarterback away.

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Speaker 2: Quarterback away again from what.

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Speaker 1: Again, left tackle weapon d line. There's stuff there with

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Speaker 1: the Giants. Okay, so, but the difference is whether you

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Speaker 1: want to play Jackson Dart or not. I think you're

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Speaker 1: better served to play Jackson Dart's not.

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Speaker 8: Ready this year.

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Speaker 1: But if you play him in he stinks, it's much

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Speaker 1: easier to move off him next year when you have

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Speaker 1: a loaded first round of quarterbacks, don't have ross take

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Speaker 1: all the hits you have to show New Yorkers Jackson

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Speaker 1: not ready to play. It didn't even matter if he was, okay,

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Speaker 1: Because my take is the downside of drafting Jackson dark

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Speaker 1: Will will they talk themselves into passing on a quarterback

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Speaker 1: next year, because I'm telling you right now, the Giants

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Speaker 1: are gonna be in the top six on the draft

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Speaker 1: next year. You got to draft the quarterback.

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Speaker 7: I need to know more about the GM and the coach.

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Speaker 7: If they win four games, what's gonna happen. Let's move

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Speaker 7: on to another team in the NFC East, and that

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Speaker 7: is the Dallas Cowboys. Michael Parsons is attending Cowboys camp

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Speaker 7: despite the lack of contract. Parsons is not happy about that,

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Speaker 7: and here he is sounding off.

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Speaker 11: When you go.

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Speaker 12: Around the league and you see these other teams taking

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Speaker 12: care of their best guys, I see TJ got taken

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Speaker 12: care of. You know, Mag's got taken care of, Miles

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Speaker 12: got taken care of, and he got two years left

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Speaker 12: on his deal. So it's hard to Yeah, you see

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Speaker 12: a lot of people around league and taking care of

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Speaker 12: you just, you know, wish you had something that, you know,

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Speaker 12: that same type of energy. You know, I don't take

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Speaker 12: a person. I just I just don't understand.

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Speaker 1: Does he have a year left on his contract? I

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Speaker 1: was just I'm just wondering.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, for those not watching, MICHAEH. Parsons looks absolutely jacked cheap.

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Speaker 7: Did you see how tight that shirt was? Again an

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Speaker 7: NFL pass rusher, He's built different. He's not eating he's

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Speaker 7: not eating a mutton and uh half and half. You know,

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Speaker 7: he's actually working out.

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Speaker 2: That's a jab at me. Yeah, I know, I heard

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Speaker 2: noted Calhard.

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Speaker 1: All Right, Parsons, he's this is the final year of

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Speaker 1: his contract. You don't have to pay players while they

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Speaker 1: have a year left on their contract.

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Speaker 2: It's good business to do that. That's why everybody else

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Speaker 2: does it, Colin, they do it early. Get it out

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Speaker 2: of the way.

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Speaker 1: Paper stars.

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Speaker 7: I mean, it's hard pressed not to say that he's

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Speaker 7: been a superstar in his since he entered the league.

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Speaker 2: Nope. I mean he's been one of the elite.

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Speaker 7: Pass rushers, top if you don't want to say, top

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Speaker 7: five and five, top seven.

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Speaker 2: In the league. Totally dominant. Not in his prime yet.

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Speaker 7: Okay, all right, all right, final story, Colin, Let's go

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Speaker 7: to college football.

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Speaker 2: This is fun. So Indiana was an amazing story last year.

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Speaker 2: Who's yours went to the playoff?

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Speaker 7: Second year coach Kurt Signetti is ruffling some feathers this weekend.

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Speaker 7: This season, so far, he has canceled a home and

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Speaker 7: home against the University of Virginia, and when asked about

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Speaker 7: it by the media, I think you'll love this answer.

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Speaker 13: Twelve of the sixteen SEC teams play three G five

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Speaker 13: or an SCS game. Twelve of those teams play thirty

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Speaker 13: six games, twenty nine G five games and seven SCS

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Speaker 13: games and one less conference game. All right, so we

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Speaker 13: figured we'd just adopted SEC scheduling philosophy.

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Speaker 6: You know, some people don't like it.

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Speaker 13: I'm more focused on those nine conference games.

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Speaker 1: He's absolute right, He's absolutely right. The Big Ten now

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Speaker 1: is as good as the SEC, and I don't want

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Speaker 1: to hear about the bottom in the middle. In the

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Speaker 1: history of college football, especially modern college football, we talk

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Speaker 1: about your top four teams. Nobody cares about the seventh,

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Speaker 1: right nobody judges a conference going our sevens better than

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Speaker 1: your seven. The top four right now, and they are

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Speaker 1: big money programs are Ohio State, Oregon, Penn State, and Michigan. Okay, wait,

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Speaker 1: if USC was good, and they haven't been in a while,

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Speaker 1: but your top four, and they're all highly funded, Phil

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Speaker 1: Knight money, Ohio State, Michigan. The top four of the

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Speaker 1: SEC are Texas, Georgia, I guess Alabama, but they're struggling

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Speaker 1: with Nil and oh Miss, but they don't win a

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Speaker 1: lot of big games. So I don't want to hear

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Speaker 1: about Big ten teams not playing. They play another conference game.

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Speaker 1: And now that you've got Washington in the Conference, Oregon

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Speaker 1: in the Conference as C and you have to travel

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Speaker 1: now if you're a Midwest team, all the way west.

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Speaker 1: Those CC teams never get on, but never have a

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Speaker 1: five hour flight. All these Penn State's gonna have to

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Speaker 1: fly at some point to Oregon, to La or vice versa.

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Speaker 1: So it's a harder travel conference, and I think it's

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Speaker 1: a better conference at the top. So he's absolutely right,

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Speaker 1: and I love it.

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Speaker 7: We got the Indiana schedule on the screen, so you

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Speaker 7: know when you start dropping these non conference matchups, this

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Speaker 7: is what you're left with in September or August. And

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Speaker 7: September they're facing ODU at home. They'll be favored by

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Speaker 7: three touchdowns, Keennessaw State, they'll be favor I don't know

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Speaker 7: thirty and then Indiana State all at home as a

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Speaker 7: tune ups before Illinois. But you're right, they do have

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Speaker 7: to go cross country to Oregon.

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Speaker 1: Well look at this they face after those cupcakes. Illinois.

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Speaker 2: Oh is good.

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Speaker 1: It's the best Illinois football team in twenty years. Illinois

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Speaker 1: brings sixteen starters back at Iowa at Oregon. Those are

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Speaker 1: first of all, Iowa got a chance if they get

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Speaker 1: breaks and stay healthy, to win ten games. So Illinois

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Speaker 1: at Iowa Oregon, that's a brutal three games. Strike At Oregon, you're.

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Speaker 2: Talking about a four hour flight, so once again.

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Speaker 1: SEC teams never have to do that. Then they have

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Speaker 1: to fly all the way to Maryland. Then it's two

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Speaker 1: penn state. This conference now is in four time zone

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Speaker 1: or three time zones.

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Speaker 2: No, I think you might be right in four? Right, yeah,

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Speaker 2: no way, Well whatever, but you're.

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Speaker 14: Basically that's a tough schedule.

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Speaker 7: I applaud the JAB at the SEC and the lack

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Speaker 7: of non conference matchups.

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Speaker 8: I like it.

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Speaker 1: J mcklanews, Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping

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Speaker 1: by the Herd Line.

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Speaker 6: News man.

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Speaker 1: We got some stuff today. We've got some stuff. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna go to Minnesota Vikings, Albert Breyer, A lot of

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Speaker 1: stuff going on.

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Speaker 9: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 9: in noon eastern nine am Pacific.

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Speaker 7: Saturday, it's Baseball Night in America showtime as Shoe Aotani

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Speaker 7: leads the Dodgers against the Red Sox, or the Guardians

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Speaker 7: take on the Royals.

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Speaker 2: Check local listings for the game in your area. Saturday

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Speaker 2: at seven eastern on Fox.

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Speaker 1: Well, he begins his journey through the camps. Albert Breer,

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Speaker 1: now with the Vikings, is joining us live Monday morning Quarterback. Well,

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Speaker 1: let's just start with the Vikings. You know, I have

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Speaker 1: said this, The division's interesting. The Lions lose both coordinators.

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Speaker 1: You can use Philadelphia as an example, and that loaded roster.

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Speaker 1: They lost two great coordinators, didn't hit home runs on

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Speaker 1: the Hires, and were reeling by Thanksgiving. So most people

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Speaker 1: don't think Detroit's, even the odds makers are going to

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Speaker 1: be quite as daunting. Green Bay, well, we don't really

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Speaker 1: know exactly what Jordan Love is. He regressed some of

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Speaker 1: it injuries, and they also drafted a wide receiver first round,

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Speaker 1: putting into question and how much they like all these

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Speaker 1: young receivers. Then you have the Bears. We don't know,

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Speaker 1: but we're hopeful with Ben Johnson. Then there's the Vikings

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Speaker 1: that we love almost everything, except we don't know what

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Speaker 1: in the world do we have with JJ McCarthy. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we like the receivers, the on line, the coach, the

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Speaker 1: GM everything, JJ McCarty, what are you hearing and seating?

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Speaker 14: So I would say, like mentally and physically last year

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Speaker 14: was really difficult on him, and he went through a

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Speaker 14: lot and dealing with the knee injury, and they did

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Speaker 14: things creatively over the course theater try to involve him.

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Speaker 14: He started traveling with the team at the end of October.

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Speaker 14: You remember their game with the Rams there that the

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Speaker 14: Rams won in pretty dramatic fashion in Los Angeles. So

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Speaker 14: they tried to again make up for everything they were

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Speaker 14: losing and some of the big up for some of

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Speaker 14: the struggles.

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Speaker 6: That he went through by engaging with him at the

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Speaker 6: end of last year. And then the year ended, and

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Speaker 6: I think there was some question, you know, his weight had.

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Speaker 14: Dropped, and you know, again he had been through a lot,

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Speaker 14: and where is he, you know, And really from that

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Speaker 14: point forward, JJ has been around, he's been engaged, and

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Speaker 14: he's been such a huge part of everything that they do.

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Speaker 14: And you know, look like I think the reality is

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Speaker 14: all you got to do is look back at it. Right, Like,

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Speaker 14: they were looking for an insurance policy on this, and

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Speaker 14: they were going to bring back Sam Donald for a year,

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Speaker 14: but Donald got more of a commitment from the Seahawks

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Speaker 14: and they were gonna look at bringing back Daniel Jones

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Speaker 14: at fifteen million dollars, which a huge spent expenditure for

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Speaker 14: a backup and let Daniel Jones compete. But DJ obviously

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Speaker 14: saw the better opportunity to win a job there in Indianapolis,

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Speaker 14: So I'm not telling you here that you know, the

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Speaker 14: whole off season it's been like gung ho, JJ McCarthy,

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Speaker 14: let's go. You know, there was the Aaron Rodgers thing too,

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Speaker 14: But gradually they've seen those signs and they've seen who

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Speaker 14: he is as an athlete, and they've seen him take

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Speaker 14: a little bit more of a step as a leader,

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Speaker 14: and so I think they're cautiously optimistic about where they

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Speaker 14: are with JJ. Like you said, this is a team

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Speaker 14: that is good in so many areas. The defense is

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Speaker 14: coming back and ads on the interior, Jonathan Allen and

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Speaker 14: Javon Hargrave. On offense, I'm really the only weakness that

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Speaker 14: team was the interior of the offensive line. Christian darisoft

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Speaker 14: course is coming back at left tackle, so that'll answer

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Speaker 14: the tackle question. But the interior that offensive line brings

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Speaker 14: in you know, three new starters, and so I think

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Speaker 14: where they are on offense, defense, it's a program.

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Speaker 6: That should be firing on all cylinders.

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Speaker 14: And you know, with what we've seen Kevin O'Connell do

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Speaker 14: with with with Kirk Cousins and then Sam Darnold over

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Speaker 14: the last three years, I think there's a lot of

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Speaker 14: reason for hope that J. J.

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Speaker 6: McCarthy is going to be a really good player in

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Speaker 6: his first year as a starter.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm going to throw this comp out. You

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Speaker 1: may think it's crazy, but for most of my life,

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Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs were very good to, very well run,

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Speaker 1: and then then Andy Reid and Mahomes and they're a dynasty.

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Speaker 1: I honestly think the NFC version of the Chiefs is

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Speaker 1: Minnesota my whole life. They've been well owned, well runned.

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Speaker 1: They've got their Andy Reid in my opinion, they just

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Speaker 1: don't have the quarterback. But most of your life, in

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Speaker 1: my life, you like their GM. They had good players,

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Speaker 1: they won games. I mean, Kirk Cousins won half his

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Speaker 1: game against Aaron Rodgers. But so I feel like they're

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Speaker 1: just that franchise that just needs the piece. So you

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Speaker 1: cross your fingers if you're a Vikings fan. Now, George

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Speaker 1: Pickens is now the second Steeler to publicly criticize the

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Speaker 1: offensive architecture of the Steelers. So Nauseie Harris came out

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Speaker 1: and said, wait much to the Chargers, Pittsburgh just.

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Speaker 2: Didn't use me.

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Speaker 1: Pickens comes out and says, what a breath of fresh

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Speaker 1: air to be in Dallas. They are using my wide

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Speaker 1: range of skills. It's easy for me to criticize Mike Tomlin,

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Speaker 1: but he just signed an extension. So the division now

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Speaker 1: is exceptionally well run. Baltimore, Joe Burrow, Cleveland's going to

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Speaker 1: be bad? Is tomot under any heat in Pittsburgh at all?

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Speaker 1: If this thing is ugly, I.

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Speaker 14: Don't think he's going to get fired, you know, And

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Speaker 14: I think everybody understands what the what the score is there?

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Speaker 14: This is one last run, maybe two last runs with

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Speaker 14: the core that they've built around guys like TJ.

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Speaker 6: Watt and Cam Hayward.

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Speaker 14: And let's see if we can get past the point

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Speaker 14: where nine or ten win team sneaking into the playoffs

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Speaker 14: and then losing our first playoff game. And so if

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Speaker 14: Aaron Rodgers works out, if Jalen Ramsey works out, if

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Speaker 14: Darius Slay works out, if TJ. Watt is still TJ Watt,

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Speaker 14: I think the basis of a team that can compete

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Speaker 14: at that level is there.

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Speaker 6: But there are a lot of ifs involved.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 14: That said, if that gets the end of the year

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Speaker 14: and that hasn't worked out again, I don't think he's

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Speaker 14: getting fired.

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Speaker 6: But if you look at it, you say.

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Speaker 14: We're going we're going to go through in order organizational reset,

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Speaker 14: and I think a few things probably organically happen. Right

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Speaker 14: it's the conversation between Mike Tomlin and Omar Khan and

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Speaker 14: the Ruinees over what direction the organization is going. I

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Speaker 14: think organically you'd have interests from other teams coming in

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Speaker 14: and saying do we want to take a swing and

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Speaker 14: offer a draft.

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Speaker 6: Pick for Mike Tomlin.

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Speaker 14: So, like I think, whether it happens in twenty twenty

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Speaker 14: six or twenty twenty seven, there's a reset slash rebuild coming,

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Speaker 14: and one of the operative questions on that when you're

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Speaker 14: looking at it is having a coach who's been there

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Speaker 14: for almost two decades. Does he still want to be here?

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Speaker 14: Do we still want him here? And does he fit

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Speaker 14: where we're going? Or is this all sort of rents course?

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Speaker 14: So again I don't think a firing is in the offing,

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Speaker 14: But like I certainly think whenever that inevitable reset comes

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Speaker 14: with all these older players in the roster, whenever that

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Speaker 14: inevitable rebuild comes, those big picture questions have to be asked,

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Speaker 14: and I think they will be asked when again, whether

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Speaker 14: that happens this year, whether it happens at the end

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Speaker 14: of this year or the end of next year.

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Speaker 1: Okay. One of our favorite people, Albert Brer one question,

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Speaker 1: two and a half minutes left. I don't know why

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Speaker 1: I care. I'm fascinated with the Cleveland Browns quarterback situation.

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Speaker 1: I'm ashamed of myself, but I do care. What do

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Speaker 1: you hear?

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Speaker 14: So I would say Joe Flackham more or less got

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Speaker 14: a first round by through this. Okay, he's going to

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Speaker 14: be part of the quarterback competition. He didn't get a

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Speaker 14: ton of reps in the spring. That was by design,

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Speaker 14: so he is in it.

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Speaker 6: Kenny Pickett showed some athleticism.

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Speaker 14: They're gonna have to run a little bit of a

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Speaker 14: different offense if it's Picket in there versus Flacco, So

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Speaker 14: he's in it. As for the rookies, I mean, Dylan

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Speaker 14: Gabriel came out of the box and looked like a

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Speaker 14: guy who played six years in college. His feel, his instincts,

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Speaker 14: all of that is good. He picked up the offense fast.

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Speaker 14: The question with him is always going to be ceiling.

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Speaker 14: It's like, how far can you go with him as

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Speaker 14: your quarterback? But because of the athlete he is looking

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Speaker 14: at building an offense. If it were Gabriel, that would

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Speaker 14: be a little bit more like Pickets. So if Picket's

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Speaker 14: the starter, Gabriel would make some sense.

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Speaker 6: As the backup.

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Speaker 14: And then you have Shador, who was pretty far behind

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Speaker 14: when he first got there, And so the question now

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Speaker 14: becomes has he caught up enough to be a part

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Speaker 14: of a legitimate quarterback competition? And I think it's hard

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Speaker 14: to not impossible, but hard when you get to July

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Speaker 14: and August to run four guys out there with the

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Speaker 14: first team and maybe a little unfair to the other

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Speaker 14: ten guys in the huddle. Eventually you have to build

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Speaker 14: a team. This camp be just a big quarterback derby

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Speaker 14: through training camp. So I you know, if they don't

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Speaker 14: have it narrowed down that first practice, I think Kevin

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Speaker 14: Stefanski and Tommy Rees and those guys are going to

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Speaker 14: have to narrow it down as it stands. Like I

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Speaker 14: think at the end of the spring Shador standards was

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Speaker 14: still fourth, and whether or not he could catch up

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Speaker 14: enough to be part of the competition, because I know

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Speaker 14: everybody wants to know about Shador, I think that's a

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Speaker 14: fair question to ask. Now Again, I think Gabriel is

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Speaker 14: steady and what they thought they were getting with him,

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Speaker 14: and then you know, with the two veterans, it sort

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Speaker 14: of comes down to who you want to be offensively

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Speaker 14: and what they can bring to the table.

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Speaker 6: But now you know they're going to get a real.

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Speaker 14: Look at Flacco versus Picket and Camp for the first

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Speaker 14: time because they didn't really get the side by side look.

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Speaker 6: Going back to April and May and June Monday.

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Speaker 1: Morning, quarterback Albert Brier excellent stuff. Well, jillis, I'd love

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Speaker 1: to watch JJ McCarthy. Cautiously optimistic is what Albert said.

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Speaker 1: Great senior, my man. All right, thanks, con cautiously optimistic. No,

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Speaker 1: it's just we talked about this yesterday. His fourth quarter

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Speaker 1: quarterback rating was not good in college, playing from behind

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Speaker 1: not good in college. Wasn't a great late game quarterback

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Speaker 1: in high leverage situations. Jadeen Daniels was so's I didn't

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Speaker 1: have a GM who liked JJ over jade and Daniels,

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Speaker 1: and I like Bo Nick's over JJ McCarthy. So I'm

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Speaker 1: just fascinated to watch him play. I mean, I love

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Speaker 1: the coach, I like the GM, I like the old

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Speaker 1: lot in receivers.

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Speaker 10: Okay,