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Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up,

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Speaker 1: straight Fire fan, It's me Jason McIntyre, Straight Fire for Thursday,

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Speaker 1: November three. We got a special edition of Straight Fire today.

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Speaker 1: Why because we have a great guest who has a

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Speaker 1: new book out on Bo Jackson. If you are under

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Speaker 1: the age of thirties, there's a good chance you aren't

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Speaker 1: that familiar with Bo Jackson. If you are over thirty,

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Speaker 1: you are very familiar with the dominant athlete of the

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Speaker 1: late eighties and early nineties baseball and football. Jeff Perlman

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Speaker 1: wrote a book drops By. We have a good chat

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Speaker 1: about the great Bo Jackson. I bet you didn't know.

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Speaker 1: If you're living in Illinois right now, he is living

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Speaker 1: outside Chicago. He could be your neighbor, apparently as a

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Speaker 1: he wanted to kill Kevin Sitzer and nearly nearly did

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Speaker 1: do that. Outside of bat and Cage, you'll hear that story.

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Speaker 1: But besides talk about Bo Jackson, there is big, big news.

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Speaker 1: We had the second no hitter in World Series history

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Speaker 1: It was not like Don Larson's World Series no hitter

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Speaker 1: Ladies and Gentlemen was a combined no hitter one, two, three,

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Speaker 1: four Houston Astros combined to no hit the Phillies and

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Speaker 1: same universe as a no hitter, And obviously the answer

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Speaker 1: is no. It's just, you know, it's a it's a

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Speaker 1: fun talking point, you know. Um, A no hitter in

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Speaker 1: not the same thing. But no hitter is a no hitter.

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Speaker 1: The World Series is tied a too. In other news,

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Speaker 1: we will have a best bet at the end of

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Speaker 1: the podcast for Thursday night football Eagles Texans. It is

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Speaker 1: probably not mandatory viewing. I haven't checked the NBA schedule yet.

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Speaker 1: I probably should start betting more in the NBA. As

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Speaker 1: were we now have a sample size of about you know,

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Speaker 1: NBA regular season. Hell. I mean, if you're betting on

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Speaker 1: But we're not doing baseball today. UM I do want

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Speaker 1: to quickly talk about it. States college football gets the

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Speaker 1: for college football, and since then there's been like nothing. Well,

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Speaker 1: whatever you're doing Saturday, make sure you get to a TV.

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Speaker 1: I think it's twelve thirty Pacific, three thirty Eastern Tennessee

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Speaker 1: travels to Georgia. Both teams undefeated. This is a big one.

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Speaker 1: You got Hendon Hooker Heisman leader against the Stetson Bennett

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Speaker 1: He turned into a publican Stetson Bennett, a serviceable quarterback.

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Speaker 1: He did win a national championship last year. But it's

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Speaker 1: funny because all anybody remembers about Georgia this season. If

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Speaker 1: they haven't played Alabama yet? Um? What what? Oh? That's right.

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Speaker 1: They destroyed Oregon in the season open, and Jason the

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Speaker 1: and the public is all over them. This is fairly staggering, folks.

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Speaker 1: Hendon Hooker versus Alabama. The guy makes all the throws.

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Speaker 1: I personally am surprised that it's eight. I think that,

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Speaker 1: He could win the Heisman this weekend. He will actually

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Speaker 1: our guest, Jeff Perlman, who's got a new book out

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Speaker 1: Jason likes to think he knows everything when it comes

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Speaker 1: everything he doesn't, he knows a guy who does. Let's

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Speaker 1: A guy I feel like he's only on here to

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Speaker 1: The book is called The Last Folk Hero, The Life

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Speaker 1: and Myth of Bo Jackson. Jeff Perlman, how are you man?

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Speaker 1: I just want to I'm sitting out outside of the

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Speaker 1: an intersection that you do well in, right would you agree? Sure?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I just like writing books. Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: like sports, obviously you like books. Um, Bo Jackson. I

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Speaker 1: am curious. Jeff. So, when Bo popped, you were middle school,

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Speaker 1: rank Circus And I said, how do you know who

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Speaker 1: I am? Is that I follow you on Twitter? And

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Speaker 1: then uh, at Auburn some other guys like I follow

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Speaker 1: of course with Elon must Buy and Twitter, that might

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Speaker 1: come to an end very quickly. But like but like,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know those thing's never they happened once

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Speaker 1: every three years, Like I don't get it recognized. Yeah, no, anyways,

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Speaker 1: back to both. What was the most interesting aspect of

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Speaker 1: Bay Buccaneers story, um college bow? Like Scouts bow. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I mean from my perspective, it would have

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Speaker 1: probably been his NFL time, but I mean major League

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Speaker 1: Baseball boat was InCred I don't know. They all seem

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Speaker 1: like folk hero ish for me personally, my two I

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Speaker 1: have two favorites. One is everything about our Bourne and

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Speaker 1: being an African American kid coming to this campus and

439
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Speaker 1: all the crap they have to deal with. It's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: It really blew my mind. I know it shouldn't bow

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Speaker 1: in my mind because it's a deep South it's eighties

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Speaker 1: like this. As an example, I interviewed uh his teammate

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Speaker 1: and he says, since passed away, sadly, it was Lionel

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Speaker 1: little train jeans running Remember Lionel James Chargers y yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I'm really good running back and lion don't talk.

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Speaker 1: He died. He died a few months ago. Just sucks.

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Speaker 1: He was such a nice guy. Um. He told me

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Speaker 1: Bow and Bow lived with Line sophomore year. Sophomore year

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Speaker 1: and they lived in Sewall Hall, which was the athletic dormitory,

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Speaker 1: and they were doing renovations, so all the athletes were

451
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Speaker 1: put in mobile units like trailers all around the town

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Speaker 1: of Auburn, and Pat died, the head coach, and Auger

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Speaker 1: and some Lionel James told me that he met with

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Speaker 1: them and he said, look, I know you guys like

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Speaker 1: dating white girls. I know you are dating white girls.

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Speaker 1: He's like, I don't have a problem with it, Like

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Speaker 1: you're here, you should do you on. But I don't

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Speaker 1: know how that's going to go over on campus. Um,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna put you in a trailer away from campus

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Speaker 1: so people just don't see it. And well, Lionel said

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Speaker 1: to me, I've talked about it, but really resonated with

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Speaker 1: me is He's like, there was a game against Florida.

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Speaker 1: I broke all of my fingers. I literally broke all

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Speaker 1: of my fingers and you sit there and you wonder

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Speaker 1: sometimes like they're cheering me, they're asking for autographs. What

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Speaker 1: if I was dating their daughter? Like what if I

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Speaker 1: was coming over for dinner, how would they treat me? Am?

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Speaker 1: I just and he use the N word and I

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Speaker 1: just had N word with the ball or am I joy? Madam?

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Speaker 1: I thought that was really everything about it was there's

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Speaker 1: a there's a fraternity k A on campus UM and

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Speaker 1: it was deep rooted in Southern history. Blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: Every week they had a Southern Heritage Week and they

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Speaker 1: had a parade where all the brothers would dress up

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Speaker 1: as Civil War soldiers UM in grays. Their girlfriends would

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Speaker 1: wear Antebellum dresses, and they would hire higher local black

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Speaker 1: kids to dress up as slaves and they would walk

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Speaker 1: a parade route. Now imagine being Lionel James or Bo

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Speaker 1: Jackson watching this nonsense. So that's one and then the otherwise.

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Speaker 1: When Bo Jackson was a senior after senior year at Auburn,

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Speaker 1: his football year, he played in two ball games. Almo

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Speaker 1: was a senior Bowl with school, but the other was

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Speaker 1: the Japan Ball and it was it doesn't exist anymore,

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Speaker 1: but it was basically like they took a hundred college seniors,

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Speaker 1: and they flew to Japan on the playing out of

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Speaker 1: l A and they spent a week in Japan like meeting,

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Speaker 1: meeting sumo wrestlers, eating sushi, blah blah blah blah blah,

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Speaker 1: and the whole game is ridiculous, like none of the

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Speaker 1: Japanese fans care to have empty stadium. The uniforms don't

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Speaker 1: fit because they were sewn by by these you know,

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Speaker 1: seamstresses in Japan who had never seen a football game before,

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Speaker 1: and like, it's just awesome. And and Bo was on

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Speaker 1: the h it was I think it was the East West.

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Speaker 1: So Bo was on the East team and they had

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Speaker 1: a wide receiver named David Williams out of Illinois. And

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Speaker 1: David Williams catches a late touchdown pass and he gets

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Speaker 1: the sideline and he goes to he sits next to

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Speaker 1: bow and he goes up. He goes, uh, I just

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Speaker 1: sewed up the m v P. And you can read

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Speaker 1: Bo Jackson's lips. And Bo Jackson says, can I curse

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Speaker 1: on this or not? Yeah? Of course, Bo Jackson says,

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Speaker 1: you can read his lips. He goes this game and over, motherfucker.

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Speaker 1: And the next series he takes the handoff runs like

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Speaker 1: fifties on the yards and winds the MVP in Japan.

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Speaker 1: Of course, Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk

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Speaker 1: of those guys. You know how you like play pick

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Speaker 1: you play pick up all, and there's guys who were

511
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Speaker 1: just winners. Anytime they're in a game, they seem to win.

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Speaker 1: You're talking. I mean, I think I know what it

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Speaker 1: takes to be a winning player. But Bo Jackson legitimately

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Speaker 1: was a winning player. And he was like that guy

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Speaker 1: who could just dominate and like nobody could stop him. Right.

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Speaker 1: He's a bigger, stronger, faster than everyone than ever. I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: it's ridiculous. He ran a four one three forty at

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Speaker 1: Alburn like Tyrekyo is the fastest guy in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: and forty pounds lighter than Bow and does not run

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Speaker 1: a four or three. He went to the Raiders in

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Speaker 1: eight seven, his first year. Tom Flores is a head coach.

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Speaker 1: He has Bow running forty on grass in pads. He

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Speaker 1: runs a four one nine and they don't believe it,

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Speaker 1: so they have him do it again. He runs a

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Speaker 1: four one seven. His first major league got bad. It's

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Speaker 1: amazing first thing that got bad. What you can see

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Speaker 1: on you tube in his art is Royal's White Sox. September.

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Speaker 1: Bo Jackson comes up to seven uh pitch at bat

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Speaker 1: against Steve Carton, who's at that point games so it's

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Speaker 1: both hits a ground bother. Second to tumulate beats it

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Speaker 1: out easily is time drunning a three six to first.

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Speaker 1: It's the second fastest times home, the first by right

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Speaker 1: handed hitter in major league history. He's later asked what

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Speaker 1: he was like getting your first hit off Steve Carlton,

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Speaker 1: and he has no idea who he is. That's all

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Speaker 1: that's on brand for Bolo Steve Carlton. I mean, so,

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Speaker 1: so four one ninety that sounds unbelievable. Four three, four

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Speaker 1: one three. So is there now? Is there video of

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Speaker 1: this or I mean probably not right. That's the beauty

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Speaker 1: of it all. That's actually the beauty of it all.

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Speaker 1: There is no video of it. There's a million people

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Speaker 1: who there, the scouts who timed it, Scouts square By.

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Speaker 1: There's a play. I wrote about this in a book

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Speaker 1: and I've talked about it, but there's a play in

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Speaker 1: high school when he's a mcindary High school. They're saying

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Speaker 1: Fairfield High this in Alabama and bow hit Everyone told

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Speaker 1: me hit about on the left field. He hit it

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Speaker 1: so high by the time it came down bows rounding

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Speaker 1: third base. I'm like, bullsh there's no way that's true.

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Speaker 1: That's impossible. Well, one guy tells me, I swear it's true.

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Speaker 1: Another guy tells me, I swears true. Fairfield's left fielder

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Speaker 1: of that game was Eddie Scott. You found that guy.

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Speaker 1: I found Outdie Scott. He talked Eddie Scott. He's like,

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Speaker 1: I swear to you it's true. At the ball is

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Speaker 1: he high? He played in college. So he's like, that's

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Speaker 1: the highest himpole I've ever seen. It comes down. I

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Speaker 1: pick it up, I look up bows rounding third and

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Speaker 1: I gotta say one of my coolest moments thus far

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00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 1: happened last night in Birmingham. Uh home what I did

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Speaker 1: a signing and this guy shows up and he introduces

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Speaker 1: himself and he says, hey, I'm Eddie Scott. Now so cool.

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Speaker 1: That is kind of cool. Now, I gotta say, like,

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Speaker 1: sometimes when like a young Rapper, passes away, Tupac, Biggie whatever.

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Speaker 1: They become more of a legend because they didn't have

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Speaker 1: to grow old and be on stage like at so

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Speaker 1: Bo Jackson gets injured. This hip injury that I've seen

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Speaker 1: millions of times looks like standard issue injury, and then

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Speaker 1: that kind of was it for him. Huh. Well, he

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Speaker 1: played two more Major He played two kind of full

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Speaker 1: Major league seasons. He the hip injury happened in the

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Speaker 1: Royals released him. He signed with the White Sox as

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Speaker 1: almost like a gimmick. But he comes back at the

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Speaker 1: end of ninety one playing on just the hip is

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Speaker 1: show damn it's but he tries, comes to spring training

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Speaker 1: ninety two, it's no good. He gets a hip replace

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Speaker 1: nine three plays with the White Sox is a d h.

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Speaker 1: He has a huge home run to clinch the Aos

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Speaker 1: to clint a trip to the aocs uh for the

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Speaker 1: White Sox to get the Seattle Mariners. Weirdly, the picture

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Speaker 1: was my was my neighbor growing up, Dave Fleming at

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Speaker 1: the Seattle Mariners announcer, not the announces. They had a

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Speaker 1: picture in seventeen games named Dave Fleming. Anyway, Bo Jackson

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Speaker 1: the next year, plays with the California Angels. It's a

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Speaker 1: strike here, and I'll tell you he plays with the Angels.

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Speaker 1: Strike here. He's a shell of his former self in

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Speaker 1: a way. It's good. Nobody cares out the Angels. The

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Speaker 1: team sucks. It's their last and the strike is here.

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00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: Everyone knows the strike is here. Season is probably over.

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Speaker 1: Bo Jackson, on his own steal second base. Everyone in

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Speaker 1: the dugouts like, no, because I know he's yet He's

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Speaker 1: steal second base. At the end of the game, Milpavac,

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Speaker 1: the general manager, is up above and he's looking down

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Speaker 1: at the field. The lights are damned, fans are gone.

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Speaker 1: Bo Jackson in his underwear, runs out, take second base,

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Speaker 1: out of the ground, runs back to the dugout, into

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Speaker 1: the tunnel, and that's his last game and major lague history. Wow.

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00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: So and he no, So he basically retired. I think

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Speaker 1: at thirty, right, or was it twenty nine, you would

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Speaker 1: have been thirty two, thirty two, Okay, that is a

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Speaker 1: super young age to retire. Tom Brady is forty five

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Speaker 1: years old. Um Now, quarterbacks day longer, obviously, but I

602
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: mean I feel like some running backs still go to

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Speaker 1: like thirty two. Maybe Emmett Smith. Yeah, definitely. It's kind

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Speaker 1: of sad that he had to retire early. But I

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Speaker 1: am curious. This is the weirdest part, this retirement for

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Speaker 1: Bo Jackson, Like, what is that? Like? I've talked to

607
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: so many athletes at Fox Jeff who they retire and

608
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: that fame and adulation fades quicker than you expect. There

609
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Speaker 1: aren't fifty thousand people yelling for you and cheering for you.

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Speaker 1: But Bo Jackson doesn't seem like he was owed by that.

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Speaker 1: Um what does he do after baseball? It's actually kind

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Speaker 1: of cool. It's one of my favorite things about him.

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Speaker 1: I actually think this book is far less interesting if

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Speaker 1: he's like the color guy for the White Sox, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like a million times less interesting.

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Speaker 1: He's told all these stories showing up everywhere, but he doesn't.

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Speaker 1: He lives in burr Ridge, Illinois. He's a grandpa, he's

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Speaker 1: a dad. He he owns a bunch of companies involved

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Speaker 1: in food, food manufacturing, et cetera. Every now and then

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Speaker 1: to appear on a podcast. He's in a commercial with

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Speaker 1: Brian Boser with a few years ago. There was really funny,

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Speaker 1: it was good, But he basically hunts he's shops his

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Speaker 1: own driveway, he drives a forward truck, he doesn't have

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Speaker 1: a trophy room. He's not bragg into about being this.

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Speaker 1: I actually think in a way he had a pretty

626
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Speaker 1: good fade, which is he's on top of the world.

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Speaker 1: He gets her, he sees he's not what he was.

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Speaker 1: It's not looking good. Mileva said. The gym of the

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Speaker 1: Angels are for him as a certain fact at the end,

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Speaker 1: like he was just there to sell tickets, which is sad,

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Speaker 1: but I have been real quick and he was like

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Speaker 1: I'm out. He just left gone. So it looks like

633
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Speaker 1: Burr Ridges between what Naperville and Chicago. Maybe, So it's

634
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: it's just like a what kind of suburb is this?

635
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: It's nice, like you knows a gate. It's nice. He's

636
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: not like you know, he's not running around and talking

637
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: people all the time. It's also a very guarded, like

638
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: very guarded. There's a story you know, he's prickly, like

639
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: he's very prickly. That doesn't mean he's a bad guy,

640
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: but he's guarded, but not like Charles Berkeley prickly like

641
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna throw you through a window. But

642
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: there's like one of my favorite stories in the book

643
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: actually is um he did yeah every now and then

644
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: to do an autograph show, right, it did one, and

645
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: Greg Townsend, his former Raiders teammate, was there and they're

646
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: both doing the show. They're working the show and then

647
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: seeing each other in years, and Greg Townson, who was

648
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: a very very good NFL player, goes up to Bo

649
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: and he's like, hey, Boa, how's it going, yo, my man?

650
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: What's up in? Townsend's like, Boa, I brought a helmet

651
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: in a jersey were signing it and I was like, yeah,

652
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: but that'll be four dollars and Towns like what? And

653
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: bo was like, hey man, business is business, and I

654
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: give it. You have to get every one, and Towns

655
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: and sasts to him, you're an asshole, and he played together.

656
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: He's still an asshole, and then he paid him the

657
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: farge of dollars sign and stuff. Wow, listen, I gotta

658
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: respect bo On then like, seriously, I mean, business is business.

659
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: I'm curious and this is weird. So Michael Jordan of

660
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: course goes on legend has two kids and everybody expects

661
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: him to be great. Lebron has two kids a lot

662
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,719
Speaker 1: of pressure on these kids to be big. How many

663
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: kids does Bo Jackson have you said he's a grandpa,

664
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: Any sons or daughters that became college athletes, semipro whatever, zero, nothing,

665
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: They played youth sports, didn't go on to do any

666
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: no pressure from their dad. I'm like Jordan, I like

667
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: no pressure, not just a little bit. I mean both

668
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: said the other day he's like, my grandchild would not

669
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: be playing football. Now. Granted, I don't think it's his call,

670
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. I don't know what grandpa

671
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: who actually gets to make that call. But was very adamant.

672
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: I don't want my grandkids playing football. It's too damaging.

673
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: M hmm yeah, I mean, well, the hip and so forth.

674
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: I am curious, Jeff, there's a tough one. Anybody you

675
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: talked to say Bo Jackson was like a juror not

676
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: a nice guy. It sounds like this is obviously folk

677
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: hero stuff. He's amazing, He's a great legend, what a humanitarian.

678
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: But surely there was some negatives about Bo Jackson. Wow,

679
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: he beat the living ship out of Kevin Sitzer, his

680
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: former Royal teammate in the Royal third baseman. Yeah, Sides

681
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: was kissing him off one day. Side too was like

682
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: that guy. You know that guy in class who's like

683
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: sitting behind you and he's flicking your hair and you're like,

684
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: stop being an assaw, and then he does it again.

685
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: He's like that was sight sir and um Moo did

686
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: not like Kevin Sights at all and he Uh. They

687
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: were in the batting cage one day under the stadium.

688
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: Bo had to excuse himself for a minute. He comes

689
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: back Sights and took his spot in line. Was like, man,

690
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: it's might turn to hit. Sites was giving him ship.

691
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: Bo goes in and Sites was talking trash Toro Himhi

692
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: always in the cage and both says, you do you

693
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: need to stop talking sides are Sites are not reading

694
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: the signs keeps gapping away and Bo walks up to him,

695
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: takes his hand, puts it around Sites his neck, pins

696
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 1: him against the wall, raises him up against the wall.

697
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,439
Speaker 1: Sights his eyes are balling. Historney Purple coaches. I talked

698
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:14,919
Speaker 1: to all the guys in the hitting group were built.

699
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 1: Bill Dakota ed hearn sights are and uh and Bo

700
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: and I talked to. I talked to Sights him. I

701
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: also talked to had hearn about it, and He's like

702
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: people are trying to get the arm off and Bo

703
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: won't let go. And later on when it was all over,

704
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,919
Speaker 1: sights Are goes up to bow after in that same

705
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 1: day and he's like, hey, are we good? And Bo

706
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: was basically like, fuck you, We're not good. I don't know.

707
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 1: I'll tolerate you, but not cool at all. So like

708
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: he had a temper man. He didn shoot another thing

709
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: he did. He used to in the Royals clubhouse. You

710
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: would set up a bow and arrow set and he

711
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: would shoot arrows across the clubhouse. And like a lot

712
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: of guys in that team are like, why the fun

713
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 1: are you shooting arrows across the color? I actually value

714
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 1: my heart and uh, you know, guys didn't have the guts.

715
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: He was one of those guys. Would not have a gut.

716
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: Sign another thing. He wouldn't sign autographs for teenates for

717
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: the other sport. Like if you were playing baseball and

718
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: you want him to sign a ball, he would sign it.

719
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: He would not sign a Raiders jersey. If you were

720
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: with the Raiders and you asked him to sign a

721
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: Royal's jersey, he wouldn't do it. He would only signed

722
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: Raiders stuff. That's a little weird, what any idea what

723
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: that said? He was just territorial and a little quirky

724
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: and kind of emphasize the fact I'm here, I'm focused

725
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: on this. I'm there, I'm focused on that. Huh. I

726
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: am curious to go back to Kevin Seitzer. I remember

727
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: that guy. I had some of his baseball cards, some

728
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: were buried in a But um, so, what kind of

729
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: is Kevin Slitser still a dick? Like? Who talks trash

730
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: to Bo Jackson? Dick? He's a third piece of coach

731
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: at the Atlanta Rage. Now he was because he was

732
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: twenty three and he was like a stupid and didn't

733
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,720
Speaker 1: read people well and like Bo Jackson very clearly early

734
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: on Mike, good guy, honestly good guy, solid guy, but

735
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: not a guy you fucking like, just not a gun.

736
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: I hear your daughter, Yeah, that is my dog, there

737
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: is there's somebody walking by. My daughter's springing into action.

738
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: So I gotta quickly ask. I'm trying to underget in

739
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: the head of Bo Jackson because he sounds like a

740
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,959
Speaker 1: very quirky individual, obviously immensely talented. What did you get

741
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: on the mom and dad of Bow Jackson? Really interesting?

742
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: So Bow was born dirt for Best from Alabama. His

743
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: dad's name is Ade Adams. His dad died fifteen years

744
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: ago and his dad was married to another woman when

745
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: he had Bow with Bow's mom and wasn't there. Wasn't

746
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 1: there for Bo's birth, lived across town, had his own

747
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: family across town in the same town where Bow was

748
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: growing up. Had almost nothing to do with Um. Would

749
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 1: see him maybe once a month, stopped in real quick.

750
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: You know, nothing to do with him. Bo was mom.

751
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: Lawrence was just a badass motherfucker and the best you know,

752
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: like hardcore. Worked as a maid a multiple motels, always working,

753
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: cleaned offices, etcetera, etcetera. Bow is one of eleven kids,

754
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: ten living at home at the same time at one

755
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: point in a three room, not bedroom, three room house

756
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: um with no running water. They had an outhouse bow

757
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 1: Um where his sister's hand me down sneakers to school.

758
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: If the sneakers want available, he'd literally go to the

759
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: school in socks, get a severe stutter. He was held

760
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: back a grade and he was a bully like the

761
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: by product is he was a bully Um. His nickname Bow.

762
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: He's short for bo Hog, which is short for boar. Hog,

763
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: which steps from when he was a kid, him and

764
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: a bunch of his friends went to a local farm

765
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: with a bunch of sticks and spent three days beating

766
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: the living ship up the biggest hog they could find,

767
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: a boar hogg. What yeah, and that's where the wait,

768
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: how how old was he? Oh? My gosh, so there's

769
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: some there's some Okay, he's listen, everybody has demons. But

770
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: you try to decipher through the parents sometimes like you

771
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: know what kind of person this is, and it sounds like,

772
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, Bow maybe had some demons. Huh. I

773
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: just think you know. One of the things I've written

774
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: about a decent amount bo Jackson book, Walter Payton book,

775
00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: even Brett five book to a certain degree, is um

776
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: the way kids were raised in the South back in

777
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: the day, especially single mom or strict disciplinarian mom after

778
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: the American household's truly, you don't spare the rod. In fact,

779
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: not only do not spare the rod, you tell your

780
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: kid you messed up. You're gonna go to the backyard

781
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: right now, and you're gonna break a switch off, a

782
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 1: Treus switch being a stick, and it better not be small.

783
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to go back and get another switch,

784
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: and I'm up gonna beat the living ship out of you.

785
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: There's a moment bo Jackson's mom caught both stealing and

786
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: she tied bow to the bed and beat the crap

787
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: out of him, had a gun in her hand and said,

788
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: you run, I will shoot you. And I don't know

789
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 1: if she really would have shot him, but like he

790
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: was tough man. She but he was tough too. He

791
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: was a tough kid, and she did at toughen you up,

792
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: Jeff just a little bit. Yeah, my mom, I don't

793
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 1: want to My mom and bo Jackson's mom very similar.

794
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: One time I was caught drinking a wine cooler and

795
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: my mom said, don't do that. So also, yeah, wine cooler.

796
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: What was that? High school? College? High school? But listen, yeah,

797
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: I think you're right, it's would you would you say

798
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: it's the Deep South or just a different era, I'd

799
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: say deep South a little bit of a different area.

800
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: You still find it here in the Deep South, but

801
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: different era. Um, just like really you know what it is?

802
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 1: Also like you if you have to understand the mindset

803
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: of being black in the Deep South during that era

804
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: and fearing for your kids lives, right, you. It's not

805
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 1: just I need to keep your in line to be

806
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 1: a good kid. I need to keep your in line.

807
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: She'd end up. She don't end up like them. It

808
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: till you know, I need you to keep keep your

809
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: in line so you don't cross the line that you

810
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: can't get back from. Like it was a combination of

811
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: fear and disciplining for the sake of making sure your

812
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: kids survives. Okay, Yeah, A generation or two later, and

813
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: I feel like that fear is gone, right, It just

814
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: don't know, is vanished. I don't come on, dude, I'm

815
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: sure your parents went through some I know my parents did,

816
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: and then you know, me and my brother would do

817
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: it a little bit. And now our kids are just

818
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 1: not experiencing the same stuff that we did two generations.

819
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: I'm not a black kid in the South though, that's

820
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: different obviously. Yeah, but know what I mean, I mean

821
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: all the regions of the country have to deal with

822
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:08,240
Speaker 1: that to an extent. Um. So the book is about

823
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: bo Jackson Um, a true legendary folk hero. Um. I

824
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: don't know what number book is this for you? Number ten? Wow?

825
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 1: Any goal? Any idea? And how many you want for

826
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: your career? No number you just want to find the

827
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: great stories. And yeah, I don't know. I don't like

828
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: John Findstein is probably reten fifty. I don't think there's

829
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: any way I ever kind of do that kind of thing.

830
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: He's doing a lot of college hoops stuff. He's awesome,

831
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,919
Speaker 1: jump is amazing. That's not I was a huge fan.

832
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 1: And then he went on social media Jeff like a

833
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: decade ago and was like not friendly, kind of I mean,

834
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: they're not necessary to me. He was just kind of

835
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: an ordinary dude. You know. Someone told me the other

836
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: day's story about it. I won't name the writing because

837
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 1: I feel nice, but about a pretty well known sportswriter,

838
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: and he was coming on someone's podcast and he refused

839
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: to answer questions about his first book, his biggest selling book,

840
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: which is a famous famous buck disrefuse said, I'm no,

841
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about that Mitch album. No,

842
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: but no, that's how funny thought. It's not a bad guess,

843
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: but no. Um, And I was thinking, like, why why

844
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: wouldn't you answer questions first? I always say, like, I

845
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 1: don't love talking about John Rocker anymore, but I'm certainly

846
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: gonna answer your questions about it, you know, like that's right, dude,

847
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: I just want the entire time interview you and forgot

848
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: about the John Rockers have it? What the hell? No,

849
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: but that's way behind you at this point, right, Do

850
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: you do people still bring it up? Or No? They do,

851
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: especially if they've never heard before. Wait, is that usually

852
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 1: the first question you get about that guy? No, but

853
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: I'll get like the two things I get now are

854
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: Winning Time and Rocker. At the end, they'll be like, so,

855
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: not to bring up something blah blah blah, but you're

856
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: you wrote the John Rocker story. You know that's okay.

857
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: It's totally fine over twenty years. The only one I

858
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: get is, hey, what was it like working with Jason Whitlock? Um?

859
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: And you know, I know how you feel about him?

860
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: You know I feel, well, I'm disappoint anyway. Yeah, just

861
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: a little bit um at anyway, all right. Jeff Pearlman,

862
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: great stuff, The Last Folk Hero, The Life and Myth

863
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: of Bo Jackson. Good book for um Christmas or Hanukkah Kwanza,

864
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: whatever you guys celebrate out there, go pick it up.

865
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: Jeff Perlman, always good. Hey, any word on the upcoming Lakers?

866
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,439
Speaker 1: Are they going to do another version of winning time.

867
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: They are season two coming on next summer. Are you involved?

868
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: I am. I'm actually I saw this. I was watching

869
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: were you an entreage? Watch hoever? Of course come on,

870
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: I saw sometimes when I like, can't see tonight, I'll

871
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: watched an old entreurage. By the way, that show has

872
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: not aged, but I mean it has not eaged. Well,

873
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 1: it's like no, yeah, the sexism is just off the

874
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: freaking charge. But there was they were doing. There was

875
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: There was some moment where they called someone a producer

876
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 1: and name only, and I said to my wife, I

877
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,280
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, that's me. I am a producer.

878
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,959
Speaker 1: I do read all the scripts. I swear they asked

879
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: for my comments. I give them all. They send me

880
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: all the casts and demos. I do get to play

881
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 1: a reporter this episode this season, um in an episode.

882
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: So it's awesome. It's a great It's one of the

883
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: best things ever happening. Yeah too, that's amazing. Hey, if

884
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,720
Speaker 1: they ever need someone, I'll work for a penny a day. Honestly,

885
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 1: I would be more than willing to appear in in

886
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: the show. I do know a couple of guys who

887
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: are in it. It's that just sounds awesome. It's great.

888
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 1: I just really actually that all the time. But I

889
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: always say, if someone comes to you and says we

890
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: want to turn something you road into an HBO series,

891
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 1: don't say no, Oh my gosh, yeah, how did you

892
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: celebrate that? By the way, Uh, I don't actually know.

893
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: I was just I went to the premiere party or

894
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: the premiere party. I'm talking about, like that's like, hey,

895
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: let's go on a vacation. Man, they're turning my book

896
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: into a movie. You know, let's go to Hawaii for

897
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 1: a week. I was waiting for you to come on

898
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 1: your show, but you only call me when I have books,

899
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: all right, Jeff, good stuff man, Thanks a lot, all right,

900
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: thanks for sure. The only thing better than sitting on

901
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: your couch watching the gag. He's making money while he's

902
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:54,240
Speaker 1: doing here's your best beat. Great stuff from Jeff Breman.

903
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: Good guy. I do hope to one day play pick

904
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: up basketball him. It sounds like he's a scrappy player. Um,

905
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 1: let's get to the best bet. Houston Texans hosting the

906
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles. You've got Nick Sirianni, lovey Smith, love you.

907
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: Smith has been a coach before, so he's not like

908
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: a rookie coach on Thursday Night football. It's just one

909
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: of those settings where how can you actually bet the

910
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: Houston Texans if you are this is one of those

911
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: hold your nose specials where you say, fine, I'm gonna

912
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: put two in the Houston Texans getting fourteen and a half,

913
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna watch a game because I will

914
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 1: be so frustrated by halftime. If you guys think Davis

915
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: Mills is coming in the back door this one against

916
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 1: this Philadelphia defense, like you got another thing coming. This

917
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: pass rush is gonna obliterate Davis Mills unless Philadelphia just

918
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: totally sleepwalks through the first half and and that like

919
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: hasn't happened. They're the number one scoring team in the

920
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: NFL in the first half, utterly dominant offense. They lead

921
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: the NFL in scoring in the second quarter. I saw

922
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: a great stat when I was researching for this week.

923
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: So they beat the Steelers handily. They scored thirty points.

924
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts did not throw a pass in the red zone.

925
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: Think about that, thirty points over four dred yards of

926
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: offense and Jalen Rose doesn't attempt one pass in the

927
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: red zone. Well, It's one word, folks, it's domination. This

928
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: is gonna be a J. Brown, who is deeply familiar

929
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: with the Houston Texans. Good luck putting rookie Derek Stingley,

930
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: who has been lit up at times. He got a

931
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: couple of picks, but overall he's struggled this year. He's

932
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: a rookie, rookie cornback struggle unless your name is Sauce Gardner, who,

933
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: by the way, went after Derek Stingley. If you try

934
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 1: to put Stingley on a J. Brown, he's gonna body

935
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: him and dominate him. And if you try the double

936
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: team on a J. Brown, you know what. They got

937
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 1: a good tight end. And they also have Davante Smith

938
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,240
Speaker 1: who went to Alabama and won a hysman. I believe

939
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: they also have a really good running game and the

940
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: Houston Texans have like nothing. This is how embarrassed the

941
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 1: Texans should be. Last week, Tennessee basically told them, hey,

942
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: ryant the starting quarterbacks out. Here's Malik willis a rookie

943
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 1: who really can't throw redefenses. But we're gonna just run

944
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry anyway, And from the very first play of

945
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: the game, Henry pulled off I think like a thirty

946
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: yard run, you could just tell, oh, they're they're gonna

947
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: have no chance of stopping him. Tennessee had a couple

948
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 1: of turnovers and it was like dicey for I don't know,

949
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes and then slowly with surely, Henry just ground

950
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: them into dust and it was just that's a wrap.

951
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: I mean it was over Derrick Henry. Two yards of

952
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:31,280
Speaker 1: total offense running the football and and they could do nothing.

953
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 1: So I don't see how there's a scenario where Houston

954
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 1: steps up here now a couple of things working against them.

955
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 1: Prime Time Dogs have been incredible. I mean, I'm just

956
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: talking unbelievable cover rate. Every game last week. I mean,

957
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: it feels like every Primetime Dog is hit. I mean

958
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 1: even the Pittsburgh Steelers. Remember I had the Steelers against

959
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: the Dolphins, and people were like, Jason, you're crazy. At

960
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: thirteen nothing, it looked crazy. Prime Time Dogs have been outstanding.

961
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: If you can make a case for Houston, now, if

962
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: this was against the old or the Jags in the division, sure, sure, yeah,

963
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 1: maybe they got a chance. The best team in football,

964
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: I will be stunned. If this is close in the

965
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: first half, I'll be shocked if Houston covers. Listen, Obviously,

966
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: you don't want to put you don't want to empty

967
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: the account betting on a double digit favorite on the

968
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: road in the NFL. That is a recipe for disaster.

969
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,760
Speaker 1: But it's very clear right now, folks, that the Eagles,

970
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: Chiefs and the Buffalo Bills are on another level. They

971
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: are just vastly superior to just about anybody they play.

972
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 1: So I don't see a scenario Houston covers. Gimme Philly,

973
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: I got thirteen and a half, I would take fourteen.

974
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:40,919
Speaker 1: I don't know that I take fourteen and a half.

975
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:42,919
Speaker 1: I mean, at some point the Eagles are probably gonna

976
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: call off the dogs simply because it's like, hey, we're

977
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 1: up thirty one nothing, do we really need to keep

978
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: our guys out here? And then at that point is

979
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: Davis Mills got a couple of late scores and all

980
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: of a sudden it gets interesting. I don't know, So

981
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,720
Speaker 1: that's the concern. Obviously, would take it a huge favorite

982
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 1: on Thursday, because you don't want to get you've got

983
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: a perfect season going. Yeah, I don't anticipate. I mean,

984
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: if you guys, remember Buffalo, I think set their starters

985
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: the entire fourth quarter against like Tennessee. Wasn't it earlier

986
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: this year? I don't know. Yeah, that was the primetime

987
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: game and again Buffalo primetime they dominated. So enjoy the game.

988
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: Will be back tomorrow, Talk to you then,