WEBVTT - Our favorite climate numbers #3 0:00:02.360 --> 0:00:03.080 Welcome to Zero. 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:05.400 I'm Oscar Boyd and I'm Christine Driscore. 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:08.240 Weird the producers on Zero wishing you a very happy 0:00:08.320 --> 0:00:10.640 end to twenty twenty three, and we are joined as 0:00:10.680 --> 0:00:14.760 always by Akshat Ratty Actua. Welcome, Hey, loquacious as ever. 0:00:15.840 --> 0:00:19.120 So as it's the holiday season and everything's a bit 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:20.800 quiet at the end of the year, we thought we'd 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:24.000 bring back our popular climate guessing game and recalling it. 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:26.160 Whose number is it? Anyway? 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:28.840 Super fans of the show will be familiar already. But 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:31.400 the rules are simple. Each one of us presents a number, 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:33.440 and then the other two have to figure out what 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:37.559 that number represents. Each person can ask three questions, you 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:39.680 can ask the clues if you get stuck, and then 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:41.120 you have to guess. 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:44.800 And as always, the thing I care about is the prize. 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:48.440 Yeah, this game is all about prizes. Last time, the 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:50.920 very lucky winner, Christine, got a copy of your book, 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:54.280 act Shat. This time the prize is probably our best 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:58.480 one yet, all the way from Cop twenty eight from 0:00:58.480 --> 0:01:01.520 the Arabian Desert, the Jar of sand. 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:04.640 I love this, okay, I guess it's more real than 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:07.520 the first prize, which was like carbonov set. 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:09.679 Yeah, I mean it exists, it's in a jar. 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:12.000 I think I'm more motivated than ever to win. 0:01:12.200 --> 0:01:15.240 You make it such low stakes, it's so fun. Okay, 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:17.000 so let's play whose number is it? 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:19.720 Anyway? 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:24.679 Oscar? Would you please go first? 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:27.520 All right, hopefully my number is better than the prize. 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:31.480 My number this time on the numbers game is thirty 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:33.240 six point two million. 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:39.640 All right, Well, I think we should start with the units. 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:42.000 I'm wanting Okshot to waste his question on this. 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:44.920 On the units, you know, like I have a feeling 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:47.160 it's dollars, but like we really need to know it's 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:47.480 a guess. 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:49.160 Right. You don't just get to ask what the units are. 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:51.000 You have to say, is the units X? 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:54.400 Is the unit money dollars? 0:01:54.760 --> 0:01:57.560 The unit is not money or dollars. It is not 0:01:57.760 --> 0:01:58.280 a monastery. 0:01:58.320 --> 0:01:59.880 Figure is the unit people? 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:03.280 The unit is people. So it's thirty six a two 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:05.920 million people. Yes, it's not wheels, and it's not the 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:08.400 number of people inside cars or anything like that. 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:10.520 That's a deli sized population of people. 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:14.000 Okay. Is this a number of people who have done something? 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:18.000 They have taken an action, whether it's a purchase or 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:20.120 a decision, and it is in the past. 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:23.560 I would say it's more kind of ongoing. It's not 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:24.480 a past decision. 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:27.760 They're not that many things that thirty six point two 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:32.440 million people can do. No, unless they're all distributed and 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:35.120 not in one place. Is that the case. They are 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:37.760 distributed and not in one place, yes, or one country 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:40.520 or whatever. Okay, not in one country, not in one place, 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:42.640 not in one city. Then there are so many things. 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:46.600 Oh my god, is does this have to do with food? 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:49.799 This has nothing to do with food. Okay, Well, I'm 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:52.000 going to ask the Christine question. Is this got to 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:55.800 do with cycling? Yes, it is the number of people 0:02:55.800 --> 0:03:01.000 competing in the Tour of France. Nothing to do with cycling. 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:04.120 I will give you a hint. It is to do 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:05.760 with jobs. 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:09.840 Is there's the number of people on LinkedIn who have 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:15.640 transitioned or are interested in a climate oriented. 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:17.560 You're kind of close, but not exactly that. 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:20.440 That's a very Christine guess, because I feel like that's 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:23.560 an order of magnitude off of what's even possible. Are 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:26.200 there even thirty six two point two million people on LinkedIn? 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:26.880 Yeah? 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:28.839 Oh really, I haven't spent a lot of time on there. 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:33.639 My guess is that is the number of people who 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:37.920 will be working in clean energy in the next five years. 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:41.840 Oh, I think on balance Christine just gets it. There's 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:44.880 not completely right, but she's she's used some keywords there. 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:48.280 So thirty six point two million people is the number 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:51.560 of people working in clean energy in twenty twenty three, 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:55.800 according to a report by my favorite source. I swear 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:59.040 this is accidental. It is from the International Energy Agency 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:02.160 and it's from World Energy Employment Report. 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:05.800 What about the number of people working in fossil fuels. 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:09.720 Well, thirty six point two million people is higher than 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:12.560 the number of people working in fossil fuelds. There are 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:15.440 currently about thirty two million people working in fossil fuels 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:18.799 as of twenty twenty three. And what's interesting is seeing 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:21.400 the growth in both these numbers. So this report from 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:24.640 the International Energy Agency, it tracks the numbers from twenty 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:26.800 nineteen to twenty twenty three, so it goes through the 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:30.400 pandemic period, and renewables or working in clean energy has 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:33.080 grown by about six million. So between twenty nineteen and 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:34.880 now it's gone from about thirty million to thirty six 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:38.200 point two million over that same time period. Fossil fuels 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:41.960 has actually fallen just before the pandemic, there were about 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:44.120 thirty three million people working in fossil fuels. That has 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:46.880 now gone down to thirty two million clean energy workers 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:49.599 overtok fossil fuels in twenty twenty one, and that difference 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:50.760 has only grown with time. 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:53.920 Interesting, I feel that our episode from last year had 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:54.720 something to do with this. 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:57.280 Well, that's exactly so I didn't go to the International 0:04:57.400 --> 0:04:59.559 Energy Agency's website and just look for the latest report. 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:01.960 We had this episode last year called how to Quit 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:04.120 Your Job for Climate, where we heard all the stories 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:06.960 from people who had made some kind of transition from 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:09.279 a job outside of the climate space into a job 0:05:09.400 --> 0:05:11.000 in the climate space. So I was trying to look 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:13.400 for a study that showed broader trends within that field, 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:16.200 and that's when I found this World Energy Employment report, 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:18.440 and it is fascinating. The fact that there's now more 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:21.560 people working in clean energy than fossil fuels, I think 0:05:21.720 --> 0:05:23.799 is very hopeful. 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:26.440 And it speaks to the point that this is just 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:30.039 the start of the energy transition. On almost every metric. 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:33.520 We are behind on net zero and we are only 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:37.200 really starting to sell electric cars and real numbers or 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:42.039 clean energy deployment in real numbers, and so when politicians 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:44.880 say it's about jobs, you better believe it. 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:47.440 Yeah, And most of the growth that we have seen 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:50.160 in the clean energy sector, that's come down to five sectors, 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:55.080 so that's SOLOPV, wind electric vehicles, and battery manufacturing, heat pumps, 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:58.640 and critical minerals mining. These are just the numbers in 0:05:58.640 --> 0:06:01.680 twenty twenty three. So when you look forward, the International 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:04.760 Energy Agency makes predictions about how many more jobs will 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:07.800 be created over the next seven years to twenty thirty, 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:11.200 and the organization says, based on today's policies, there will 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:15.200 be another eight million clean energy jobs added worldwide by 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:18.240 twenty thirty. So that's based on today's policies, but if 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:22.000 everyone agrees and gets on track for the net zero scenario, 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:24.600 it will be even higher. There'll be something like seventeen 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:28.400 million clean energy jobs generated by twenty thirty, which will 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:30.919 more than replace all the jobs that are lost in 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:33.640 the fossil fuel sector. And they take actually great pains 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:36.239 to go and point out that many of the people 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:38.640 who work in the fossil fuel sectors have very relevant 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:41.600 skills and in demand skills in the clean energy sector. 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:43.760 So it's not like those people will just lose their 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:46.359 jobs and have no options available, they will have the 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:49.600 skills and the ability to make the transition themselves into 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:50.640 the clean energy space. 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:53.280 And that's like a shout out to our Carbon Capture 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:56.560 episode with Emily Grubrut. She said this great thing about 0:06:56.680 --> 0:06:58.920 oil companies or fossil fuel companies don't need to be 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:02.600 part of the transit, Like who cares about the corporate structure. 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:06.160 The skills that people have is actually much more meaningful. 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:08.920 And I just really like that because sometimes if you're 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:10.680 a very practical person, you're like, oh, I guess we 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:13.040 do have to negotiate with oil companies, But really it's 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:14.960 the people who do the work. 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:16.320 And people can move with their feet. They don't like 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:18.000 the kind of work that they're doing for a fossil 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:20.560 fuel company and they don't like the direction it's taking. Then, 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:23.080 as we heard in the Climate Critics episode, we put out, 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:25.960 people are already saying I want to do other things. 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:27.960 I want to work for companies that I can feel 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:30.119 proud and invested in the kind of work I'm doing 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:34.040 A good number. Yeah, I think I will give the 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:36.920 point to Christine and that one. So Christine, you are 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:42.560 one step closer said sad. Congratulations, May it last you 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:51.400 a long time. I believe Actuat it is your go next. 0:07:52.280 --> 0:08:00.200 My number is ninety seven. Ninety seven okay, sorry, where 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:01.520 is ninety five? 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:04.240 Please leave that in? 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:06.200 What change? 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:10.360 It's It's like the humidity reading in your in your room. 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:11.960 It's the temperature. 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:17.040 Yeah, start again, Start again. My number is ninety five. 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:20.920 This feels like a percent Is it a percent? 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:23.600 It is a percentage? Great? 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:28.000 Is it to do with the location of the manufacturing 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:31.280 or extract of some kind of technology or mineral? 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:34.679 It has to do with something to do with extracting 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:35.600 something correct? 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:38.360 Yes, wow, I really liked how broad that guest was. 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:42.440 But also you did get it. Okay, does this have 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:46.840 to do with extracting a element that's really important in 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:47.320 clean tech? 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:48.040 No, it's not. 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:50.800 If the word element had been changed to compound or 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:51.120 I know. 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:52.200 I really thought about that. 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:56.560 I was like, I'm not being I am not being 0:08:57.080 --> 0:09:01.040 a difficult chemist. Bit too pedantic again, Yeah, I have 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:04.280 left my days in the lab long back. Rather than 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:06.160 being the percentage of something, is it like a percent 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:09.760 increase of something that's happened to a percent decrease. It 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:11.520 is a percent decrease. Of something. 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:12.360 Correct. 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:15.040 Does this have to do with the amount of like 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:20.400 oil and gas being extracted in like one specific region. Yeah, okay, 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:23.079 this is a really tight game this round. 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:26.439 You're getting all the hints, You're getting all the yes. 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:29.800 Is it some kind of prediction out to twenty fifty, So, 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:33.559 like from today's date to twenty fifty or so, someone's 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:36.160 gas or oil will fall by ninety five percent? 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:40.240 Yeah, okay, I'm ready to guess. I'm guessing that Norway 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:42.800 says it will decrease the amount of oil and gas 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:46.160 it's going to extract by ninety five percent over some 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:47.800 very long period of time. 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:50.920 What about you ask, I'm going to say this is 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:54.439 like a to get on a net zero target. That's 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:58.480 the falling gas and oil extraction worldwide that needs to 0:09:58.480 --> 0:09:59.480 happen by twenty fifty. 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:02.880 So I would say projections are not typically good news. 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:07.160 So I think Christine's a little bit closer. It is 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:09.840 geographically still in a different place, which is it's in 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:15.680 the Norzia, and this is tied to gas production in 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:20.000 the Nazia, which is set to decline ninety five percent 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:25.600 by twenty fifty, even after new rounds of oil and 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:30.760 gas licenses were announced by the UK government recently and 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:34.040 had they not been announced, it would have fallen by 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:35.080 ninety seven percent. 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:38.280 And is that for because obviously the North Sea does 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:41.559 provide Norway and it does provide UK so that's the entire. 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:44.720 No, this is just for UK's not c gas. Yeah, 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:47.520 but the point is, you know, there's a whole chat 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:52.160 happening around how the UK is backtracking on its green goals, 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:56.000 and much of it is just rhetoric and not reality. 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:57.960 Is there more gas in the North Sea? Is it 0:10:58.000 --> 0:11:00.280 truly people walking away from it or is it that 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:01.560 you know it's been tapped. 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:06.360 No, it's just a depleted and depleting field. 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:10.040 And then also for people who are not conversant in 0:11:10.080 --> 0:11:14.400 the UK, the North Sea oil and gas production has 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:15.920 like there's a lot of history there. 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:20.720 Yes, I mean the UK, as the home of Industrial Revolution, 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:24.840 had a lot of coal mining and then in the 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:29.400 twentieth century, mid twentieth century they discovered oil and gas 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:34.360 in the Nazia and really ramped up production and that enabled, 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:37.400 at least in the nineties and even early two thousands, 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:40.719 a move away from coal because gas was abundant and 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:46.000 cheap available, and so that allowed the UK to move 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:48.720 away from coal and reduces emissions. So its emissions have 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:53.720 been declining since the nineteen nineties, partly because of that 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:58.360 gas field, but now it's declining because both gas production 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:01.800 is declining and renewable energy production is on the up. 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:04.440 The actual field peaked a while back, though, right, so 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:06.720 this is not like we've just had a new peak 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:08.199 as of this year and then it's going to full 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:10.760 ninety seven twenty fifty. 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:13.920 Correct, it peaked in two thousand, so you know, the 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:18.160 lesson is take your politicians announcements with a grain of salt. 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:21.319 Interesting well, hopefully by that point the UK will be 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:24.320 entirely on solar wind batteries and a bit of nuclear 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:24.720 as well. 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:27.880 Or if you want to go to the very first 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:32.000 episode of Zero and listen to Briani Worthington, maybe the 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:35.480 UK is net negative after twenty forty five, which would 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:38.840 be something that may be necessary from an equity perspective, 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:41.319 as the country that put out all these greenhouse gases 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:43.000 to create the problem in the first place. 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:46.040 How about people ponder that, and then after the break, 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:46.959 we'll guess my number. 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:05.880 Welcome back to the show. Two guesses so far, one 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:08.800 to go. Christine's actually already won the jar of sands. 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:13.000 She's come closest both times. It is now your victory lap, Christine, 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:13.760 and your number. 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:18.240 My number is six hundred and forty two point eighty four. 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:24.000 Wow, that's a very specific that point eight is. 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:26.240 We could round it up. We could do six hundred 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:29.920 and forty three. Is this to do with money, Yes, 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:32.040 it always has to do with money, Okay, so it's 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:33.000 is it a dollar figure? 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:36.840 Yeah? Okay. Is it to do with the price of 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:39.040 a particular clean technology. 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:41.280 It has to do with clean technology. It does not 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:43.800 have to do with the price of technology specifically. 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:47.640 Has it got anything to do with government money toward 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:49.280 a clean technology? 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:49.439 No? 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:53.040 Is it just six hundred and forty three dollars or 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:55.040 is it six hundred and forty It's just. 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:58.120 Six hundred and forty three dollars that I feel like 0:13:58.160 --> 0:13:59.800 this might be too hard, This might be. 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:01.840 Too Can you give us a clue to that? Wrote 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:02.440 down slightly? 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:07.439 It has to do with me your electricity bill in 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:09.319 the month of November. 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:11.439 That would be very sad if that was the good news. 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:13.400 You're really putting us on the spot for how well 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:13.840 we know you. 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:16.480 Nah, well, I'm going to I'm going to get a gut. 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:18.079 I'm going to just make a guest now because I 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:20.200 think it is at that point, go for it. How 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:23.320 much does it cost in labor to install a heat 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:25.240 pump M in your house? 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:25.960 Interesting? 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:30.400 But no, is it how much you're paying to go 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:33.560 to school and learn about solo oscar? 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:36.120 You got it. This is the cost of a single 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:39.920 class at the local community college to learn about the 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:43.440 physics of solar photobal taic technology. It's the name of 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:46.840 the class. I have been very inspired being around scientists 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:49.760 and engineers working on this, and I've often been like 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:52.560 kind of frustrated that I don't know in a more 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:55.360 hands on way how solar works. There's a lot of 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:57.760 technologies other than solar, but that's the one that's like, 0:14:58.440 --> 0:14:59.960 you know, I think even since I was a little kid, 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:03.480 it is like that's the future. And behind the scenes 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:05.160 of this show for people who don't know, is a 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:09.600 lot of like annotating and listening to kind of jargon 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:15.920 but beloved jargon about how kind of works. Jargon I 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:18.120 don't want to invold in any critiques, but yeah, so 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:21.480 there's a lot of like sitting and annotating conversations and 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:22.960 being like, Okay, what is a cathode? 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:23.320 Was it? 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:26.120 What is an anode? And I really enjoy doing that stuff, 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:29.160 And then we put out another episode and I completely 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:32.120 forget I ever learned that stuff, And so I just 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:35.480 want to spend some time thinking about it more and 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:37.240 learning about it. 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:41.680 That's cool. Solar is the first source of energy that 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:45.360 we developed where we didn't have to move things to 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:50.360 get electricity. Everything else is run on turbines and turbines 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:53.760 powered by steam, so solar was the first one where 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:55.560 you didn't have to do that. I mean even on 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:58.600 wind you actually have to move the rotors off a 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:03.280 wind turbine do make wind power, but with soda, just 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:04.280 shine the light. 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:04.800 Yeah. 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:07.280 So I'm very excited about this. I should say too 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:11.160 that Oscar's work on the Martin Green episode, even though 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:14.320 I was not the one annotating it, Oscar relaying to 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:16.880 me the red photon blue photon thing. 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:19.080 I was like, this is so cool, MutS and Green 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:20.840 being one of the pioneers of soda tech. 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:23.800 Yes, yes, the godfather of solar who has a bunch 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:25.600 of patents and all of this stuff, and it is 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:28.560 a little bit self important that me studying. This is 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:31.560 good news for the climate. But really I think it's 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:34.720 amazing that this is available. It's part of a renewable 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:38.240 Energy certificate that the college offers for people to just 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:41.280 get training in renewal energy, whether it's like how it's financed, 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:44.720 how it works, how it gets installed. And I'm really 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:46.040 excited to go see what that's like. 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:49.680 And you never know, just like Martin Green, both the 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:54.640 entire Chinese solar industry. By teaching students, you might be 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:57.920 a part of the US solar industry's return. 0:16:57.880 --> 0:16:58.720 The solar coaster. 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:02.440 Well, luck for your course, Christine, and thank you guys 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:06.240 for playing this special third round of whose number is 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:10.760 it anyway? And congratulations on your prize. Christine a jar 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:14.840 of sand fresh from COP twenty eight. Thank you guys, Yeah, 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:25.119 thank you, thanks, Thank you so much for listening to Zero. 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:27.359 If you enjoyed this episode, please give us a rating 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:30.720 or a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Check out 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:32.280 the show notes for the links to the numbers we 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:33.800 chose in today's episode. 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:37.240 Zero's producer is Oscar Boyd and senior producer is me 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:41.120 Christine driscoll. Our theme music is by Wonderly Special. 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:44.480 Thanks as always to ciro bindram i'm actua thradi. We'll 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:45.880 be back in the new year.