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Speaker 1: Apollo Night on. Indeed, indeed, indeed, how you been? It's
Speaker 1: been years, years years. You look great? You do too,
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to, like, you know, make sure that I
Speaker 2: keep the same level of workout ethic that you taught
Speaker 2: me while we were working together.
Speaker 1: Definitely, you taught me how to work out. It's hard,
Speaker 1: but you was looking good. For a minute.
Speaker 3: I was like, damn, he's catching up to me. I
Speaker 3: gotta wait up another not you said for a minute.
Speaker 1: For a minute, did I slip off? You did a
Speaker 1: little bit? I got hold up? Look hold on a second.
Speaker 2: Follow I definitely think I have been still.
Speaker 1: Got your arms?
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, well I thought you fell off. Okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 4: got you. Yeah, it's cool, it's cool. I thought you
Speaker 4: fell off man. No, no, no, okay, it's just the shirt.
Speaker 4: It was just the fitted defitted h a sweater, a cardigan. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's nice.
Speaker 2: I'm good you approved, yes, because we need to work
Speaker 2: out most definitely.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: If you still have the Booty DVDs that you and
Speaker 2: Phaeder were doing.
Speaker 1: We still have them. You still have them. They're still
Speaker 1: in the marketplace. Actually, are you selling them in the
Speaker 1: back of your trunk.
Speaker 3: No, they're still on Amazon. Actually they are. Yeah, they're
Speaker 3: still on Amazon. But I think so I bought out
Speaker 3: the distribution and fulfillment a long time ago.
Speaker 1: There was issues with that.
Speaker 3: It's like, so I think once it once the press
Speaker 3: came out that we beat out Kim Kardashian, Billy Blanks,
Speaker 3: Bob Harper, Julian Michael Jane Fond, that we had top
Speaker 3: sales in the nation and the revenue wasn't really matching
Speaker 3: up with the credibility of the accolades that we've accomplished.
Speaker 1: So at that.
Speaker 3: Time I was like, Okay, well, you get a check
Speaker 3: that comes in for I think like forty seven thousand,
Speaker 3: right for one month sales. Then it went to somewhere
Speaker 3: trickle down to like maybe I think the low within
Speaker 3: the four months was like seventy two K. Right, then
Speaker 3: how do you jump from seventy two down to like
Speaker 3: twenty four This is like in a six seven month period.
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, okay, well something's not right.
Speaker 3: So then when you start looking back at the production
Speaker 3: and looking back at you know, the company who was
Speaker 3: running everything, there was no ledger. We're not seeing any
Speaker 3: type of invoices. When I seeing you know, the DVD sold,
Speaker 3: all it is ooh you need to have I think
Speaker 3: it was twenty five of each twenty five hundred of
Speaker 3: each volume, so volume one, volume two, so five thousand
Speaker 3: copies in Q at all times per month. Right, And
Speaker 3: back then, you know, it wasn't ubiquitous like now as
Speaker 3: far as the media and being able to shoot something
Speaker 3: for a fraction of the cost. Now, remember when you
Speaker 3: came and did the Fine Fine Baby, the.
Speaker 1: Prenatal video, right, I remember that.
Speaker 3: So when you did the prenatal video, that was a
Speaker 3: fraction of the cost of what we spent one hundred
Speaker 3: and twenty five K on the freaking production. It's unheard of.
Speaker 3: There's no way, you know, but you live and learn, right,
Speaker 3: So the low hit to around like eleven K. A
Speaker 3: check came in for eleven thousand. Right, we're still doing
Speaker 3: the promotion and we're still doing everything. I'm like, this
Speaker 3: is not right, So look, I need to do a
Speaker 3: cease and assists. We need to go ahead and just
Speaker 3: stop everything. Our attorney at the time was like, listen,
Speaker 3: you signed like a note thirty six month contract with them.
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, but there's a clause in there.
Speaker 3: You know, if you're unhappy, you you know, we need
Speaker 3: to breach this contract. So you know, me back then,
Speaker 3: I was a little more rough around the edges. So
Speaker 3: I just showed up and paid them a visit at
Speaker 3: the studio. You and the guns, yeah, basically, yes, exactly, Yeah,
Speaker 3: not those guns. Yeah, yeah, novices. And you know, we
Speaker 3: talked about it and they were just telling me, oh,
Speaker 3: you know, basically trying to lure me back in, and
Speaker 3: stated that you know, it's going to be a difficult
Speaker 3: run for you.
Speaker 1: You're new in this business.
Speaker 3: You're going to get a lot of individuals who are
Speaker 3: unhappy with the product, and you know, you got to
Speaker 3: really think about the back end as far as support.
Speaker 1: The support, but support, dude, you got to email on here.
Speaker 3: You know, no one's calling answering the phone, so I
Speaker 3: was like, you know what, I don't care. Just give
Speaker 3: me my shit, just give it everything back, ship everything
Speaker 3: back to me. So that took a minute. Then I
Speaker 3: went to his partner. Bravo was actually shooting that show.
Speaker 3: I think it was called Tone It Up with the
Speaker 3: Tone It Up Girls, Yeah, the Two Girls or whatnot.
Speaker 1: So they were shooting in La So.
Speaker 3: I had to go back out there, and then I
Speaker 3: popped up on the production out there with the guy,
Speaker 3: the partner, I don't want to mention no names or
Speaker 3: anything like that, but he was like, listen, okay, cool,
Speaker 3: you want out, Cool, we'll send everything back. So once
Speaker 3: I got everything back, then next thing you know, the
Speaker 3: sales started going back up, and then we're able to
Speaker 3: see everything. But the problem is that network. Let's just say,
Speaker 3: if you're selling you know, eighty something thousand dollars worth
Speaker 3: of product, you still have you still have the individuals
Speaker 3: who actually purchased your product, and you could remarket. So
Speaker 3: they're taking my market my customers, and they're remarketing other
Speaker 3: products to those customers.
Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, it was a big shit show.
Speaker 3: But anyways, so now, yeah, the product is still in
Speaker 3: the marketplace, but the thing is I need to make
Speaker 3: it digital now because.
Speaker 1: Nobody does dvs, so go back digit. But I have
Speaker 1: basically I've.
Speaker 3: Written up like content for because you know, I was
Speaker 3: the the producer. I you know, I wrote and produced everything,
Speaker 3: so the whole curriculum behind it. I did seven new
Speaker 3: layouts since I was away. I just haven't filmed any
Speaker 3: of it. So a couple of them come with like
Speaker 3: different apparatuses, you know, there's you know, different platforms, different tiers.
Speaker 1: So I've done that.
Speaker 3: It's just being in that right space because since i've
Speaker 3: been home, I've been grinding, man, just really trying to
Speaker 3: get traction because like you said to your point earlier
Speaker 3: was there's people who come home being in deprivated state
Speaker 3: and they really can't catch traction and they're really just
Speaker 3: slopping mud up.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, just slick tires, you know.
Speaker 3: And so I haven't really had an opportunity to really
Speaker 3: just put everything into motion.
Speaker 1: And I have so many ideas.
Speaker 3: There's so much, you know, so many things that I
Speaker 3: did with my time, with my spare time when I
Speaker 3: was gone that I need to put into you know,
Speaker 3: production and put into play.
Speaker 1: So since you've been home for how long back in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: So I got out and.
Speaker 3: Came home in May of nineteen, and they had me
Speaker 3: on a house arrest program. So it's a six month program,
Speaker 3: so technically, but I was still at home. So I
Speaker 3: came back to Atlanta. I came to visit Thanksgiving of
Speaker 3: Thanksgiving of nineteen and I moved here. Now, I came
Speaker 3: to visit during COVID because they shut Philadelphia all the
Speaker 3: way down, so they said Atlanta is opened. Oh, I'm
Speaker 3: going to come back here for correct.
Speaker 1: Then we permanently moved back to Atlanta.
Speaker 3: I want to say October of twenty twenty is when
Speaker 3: we came back permanently. And since then, you know, we
Speaker 3: decided to get into the real estate. Sharen, you know,
Speaker 3: she has her license, she's a broker, she does designs,
Speaker 3: you know, all of that stuff from the architectural standpoint,
Speaker 3: and most agents, you know, their feet are you know,
Speaker 3: the biggest accomplishment for an Asian is, hey, I want
Speaker 3: to be an investor or and or you want to
Speaker 3: be you know, have your own brokerage one of the two,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: So she decided to get out of the.
Speaker 3: Handover you know fit situation every day going out marketing yourself,
Speaker 3: meeting with a gazillion clients.
Speaker 1: Just to sell a house. So she said, hey, let's.
Speaker 3: Just start building our own Let's start designing our own
Speaker 3: homes and things like that. So I already had a
Speaker 3: team from you know, back when you saw I did
Speaker 3: the house in Buckhead. Already have my same crew, and
Speaker 3: then some of the properties that we've had they would
Speaker 3: service some of the things when I was away and
Speaker 3: stuff like that. So I've always kept my same team.
Speaker 3: So we just kind of expanded since then from as
Speaker 3: far as heavy machinery, everything's in house, and.
Speaker 1: That kind of just took the street mentality, if you.
Speaker 3: Will, the entrepreneurial side, if you will, and just cut
Speaker 3: out the middleman, because when you have a contractor that
Speaker 3: comes on the contractor, what they normally do is they
Speaker 3: sub it out, so you're gonna have four contractors they're
Speaker 3: sub sub subit. So you know, in the street terminology,
Speaker 3: just like if you have a product per se and
Speaker 3: then you stretch that product, right, you just stepping on
Speaker 3: that product and by the time you get to the end,
Speaker 3: it's like either garbage and or you've ben paid, you know,
Speaker 3: a markup on the.
Speaker 1: Retail, which you really don't have to.
Speaker 3: So I decided to go directly to the trade and
Speaker 3: then in lou signed the tradesmen straight to us, and
Speaker 3: then they work for us exclusively, and so therefore we're
Speaker 3: just getting our prices are pretty much unmatched.
Speaker 1: No, you're doing good.
Speaker 2: You're doing good. And I'm so proud of you because
Speaker 2: obviously we met each other on season three of the
Speaker 2: Hospitals of Atlanta. Yep, when you decided to do the show,
Speaker 2: When your then wife Faedra tells you that she's been
Speaker 2: approached to do a reality show, what were your first thoughts.
Speaker 1: I really was like, no way, you know, I didn't
Speaker 1: want to do it because.
Speaker 3: Again, well it's another secret now, but I was in
Speaker 3: the streets, you know, pretty pretty heavily in the streets, and.
Speaker 1: I really didn't want that. I didn't want that, you know, attention.
Speaker 3: But then I was like, okay, it could be a
Speaker 3: good thing too, right, So it served to be a
Speaker 3: good thing because if you think about it, when all
Speaker 3: of the wives were saying, you know, she takes care
Speaker 3: of him and and and and.
Speaker 1: You know, she buys this and she does that, that
Speaker 1: was great for me.
Speaker 3: That's why I never said nothing because okay, keep thinking that, right, Well,
Speaker 3: I just keep stacking my money and we just keep
Speaker 3: living our lives. It doesn't really matter because that's what
Speaker 3: your perception is reality, So it doesn't matter what I'm
Speaker 3: doing back, and so it kind of helped mask a
Speaker 3: lot of things too, you know.
Speaker 2: Also help keep what you were doing in the streets
Speaker 2: in the streets exactly and not having to explain because
Speaker 2: one thing Faedra did say when the girls were asked
Speaker 2: like what does Apollo do, and she would say something
Speaker 2: like you were the repo man.
Speaker 1: No no, well no, everyone all like so the no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's so no. So okay. The thing about it is like, uh,
Speaker 1: it's an asset recover. When she has recovery, she considered
Speaker 1: the report man.
Speaker 3: But it's so funny that you mentioned that, right, because
Speaker 3: she just calls me about a case literally last month,
Speaker 3: maybe about a month ago.
Speaker 1: She calls me.
Speaker 3: We talk all the time, especially when it comes like
Speaker 3: to legal matters or you know, just certain things that
Speaker 3: she knows that I handle a lot of things.
Speaker 1: Whatever.
Speaker 3: So she called us like, hey, you remember you was
Speaker 3: doing that you had this business blase bla back when
Speaker 3: this case just came across my desk. I said, you idiot,
Speaker 3: I said, you don't remember. I was like, I told
Speaker 3: you to get into that business a long time ago.
Speaker 3: I said, here it is like twenty years later now,
Speaker 3: and she was like, yeah, so what's going on with it?
Speaker 3: But anyways, yes, So what it is is, you know
Speaker 3: individuals out here they have there's like right now it
Speaker 3: teetered up. It used to be like one point something billion,
Speaker 3: but right now it's like three something billion dollars just
Speaker 3: in the state of Georgia. That's held at the Department
Speaker 3: of Revenue. And a lot of people don't know about this, okay,
Speaker 3: So it could be as small as to one cent
Speaker 3: all the way to you know, millions of dollars. It
Speaker 3: just depends you can pick through the litter and figure
Speaker 3: out which you know, which claim you want to go after,
Speaker 3: and who you want to patronize in order to represent them.
Speaker 1: Plus the laws have changed a lot.
Speaker 3: But just get in to the meat of it is
Speaker 3: that let's just say you, for for easy sake, let's
Speaker 3: just say T Mobile. Let's just say you paid your
Speaker 3: T mobile bill and you decided to go to Sprint, right,
Speaker 3: and your bill was five hundred dollars, okay, and you
Speaker 3: have a rebate. Let's just say if two hundred and
Speaker 3: fifty dollars, well, that two hundred and fifty was supposed
Speaker 3: to be mailed back to you, okay, you don't get it, Well,
Speaker 3: they can't hold onto it, so that money has to
Speaker 3: then be forfeited over to the Department of Revenue Georgia
Speaker 3: Department of Revenue. Every state has a department of revenue.
Speaker 3: The money gets forfeited to the Department of Revenue. You
Speaker 3: don't know about it, it just sits there. So it
Speaker 3: goes into what's called a call for okay, it goes
Speaker 3: into Alectinist cheat program. And so then once it gets
Speaker 3: into that cheat program, its forfeited. And the state of
Speaker 3: Georgia is forfeited after six years.
Speaker 1: And here it is.
Speaker 3: It's not just don't look at the small part is
Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty dollars. No, there's millions of millions
Speaker 3: of dollars out there. We're not talking about collectively to
Speaker 3: on just one claim itself, you know.
Speaker 1: So it varies.
Speaker 3: It goes from insurance to trust to bonds, stocks, you know, annuities, dividends,
Speaker 3: it's all across the board, not just with the T
Speaker 3: mobile thing.
Speaker 1: And so you were doing that at the time, yes.
Speaker 2: And so is it so the money you would would
Speaker 2: you take the money and figure out how to distribute
Speaker 2: it or how were you able to recover that asset?
Speaker 1: So this is the thing. I so my case actually
Speaker 1: there's two parts.
Speaker 3: So my legitimate business, I had legitimate business, and I
Speaker 3: just basically mirrored the legitimate business with the illegal side
Speaker 3: of it. And I was doing it illegally because the
Speaker 3: people didn't know. So I was just basically still taking
Speaker 3: the funds when they didn't even know while was taking
Speaker 3: the funds from this from the.
Speaker 1: State per se.
Speaker 3: The Feds never you know, they know that my business
Speaker 3: was legitimate, so they never did anything with my legitimate business.
Speaker 3: I just transferred everything, shut everything down, hands up, Hey,
Speaker 3: I'm guilty whatever, let's just deal with this illegal.
Speaker 1: Matter over here.
Speaker 3: So once you find the person and you locate the individual,
Speaker 3: of course there's you know, software and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: Once you contact the person, of course you'll put them
Speaker 3: in the contract. Things have changed a lot since back
Speaker 3: when the laws have changed. They make it extremely hard
Speaker 3: because based on like my crime, they don't want people
Speaker 3: to do that because back then it was very easy. Nowadays,
Speaker 3: you know, you they want you to be back by
Speaker 3: an attorney and or you know, if you're that person,
Speaker 3: your paperwork has to be spot on. You know, it
Speaker 3: can't just be no foolery. So once you find the individual,
Speaker 3: you'll lock them in the contract. Then back when you
Speaker 3: used to could go up to something like almost you
Speaker 3: could charge a mount as a PI attorney, which personal injury,
Speaker 3: that's what that stands for. You could do something like
Speaker 3: thirty three percent in the state of Georgia. Well as
Speaker 3: a finder's fee, you're only able to uh through the treasury.
Speaker 3: You're only able to do ten percent a third party
Speaker 3: finders fee, so you're not really that's you know, you
Speaker 3: got to do a hell of a lot of claims
Speaker 3: you know, at ten percent to make money, you know,
Speaker 3: which you know it can still be feasible, but you
Speaker 3: have to have your network put in place so that
Speaker 3: you know, because it's almost like, for example, if you
Speaker 3: get into a personal injury per se, right, and you
Speaker 3: go to your doctors and you got you know, your chiropractice,
Speaker 3: you got your medical and all that, you might get
Speaker 3: a stipend. You might get a check for fifty k
Speaker 3: but when it comes down to you that check, you know,
Speaker 3: it gets trickled down. You got to pay your medical
Speaker 3: you got to pay the doctors, you got to pay whoever,
Speaker 3: and then your attorney costs. So of course, depending on
Speaker 3: how you set your network up per se, then you
Speaker 3: can still make money because you still have fees associated
Speaker 3: with this claim. You still got to find person, you
Speaker 3: got footwork, you got research. It's still a lot that
Speaker 3: can go into it if you want to carve it
Speaker 3: out and make that a business. But in a sense, now,
Speaker 3: I wasn't like repulling cars, you know it was. It
Speaker 3: was a little deeper than that. Just a lot of
Speaker 3: people really didn't understand the business. And then of course,
Speaker 3: like the housewives, you know, everybody don't want to listen
Speaker 3: to anything, so it's kind of like whatever, you know
Speaker 3: what you girls are and the men too. Hey, you
Speaker 3: guys are fixated on what fixated on what you think
Speaker 3: is whatever, So hey, take it run with it.
Speaker 1: I don't care no.
Speaker 2: What they listened to though, was phad dress due date
Speaker 2: changing all the time, right, yeah? It is one of
Speaker 2: the reasons why the d date change is because you
Speaker 2: two got pregnant before you were married.
Speaker 1: Let's count that up. Let's see. Yeah, possibly like a
Speaker 1: maybe maybe about a month before.
Speaker 2: So she got pregnant a month before you said I do.
Speaker 2: What was was the due date controversy.
Speaker 1: Not before the excuse me, not before the proposal, though
Speaker 1: you proposed before. Yeah. Yeah, so this was the thing, right.
Speaker 2: So that's the biggest mystery is she lied about her
Speaker 2: due date because she was having a baby out of wedlock.
Speaker 1: No, so this is the thing. Phase and I have
Speaker 1: known each other, are been uh.
Speaker 3: Together, friends or whatever you know, sincenineteen ninety seven. It's
Speaker 3: a very long time.
Speaker 1: And you were how old? Nineteen? And she was how old?
Speaker 3: Twenty four five? But I lied about my age. She
Speaker 3: was twenty five. She just graduated law school.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you're nineteen, she's twenty five, yes, but you
Speaker 2: told her you were.
Speaker 1: I think it's like twenty two or something like that.
Speaker 3: But to see, the thing about it was the the opulence,
Speaker 3: like the cars that I had, the jury and stuff
Speaker 3: like back then, because I've always been pretty you know,
Speaker 3: pretty uh, what's a good term for it. I've been
Speaker 3: pretty well off, if you will, for quite some time,
Speaker 3: despite you know me, you know, going to prison and
Speaker 3: all that type of thing. But yeah, I'm mad on
Speaker 3: the freeway, on the freeway. On the freeway, so we're driving.
Speaker 3: I've seen this pretty little thing, you know. I started flirting,
Speaker 3: but we were man, when I tell you, it was
Speaker 3: bumper to bumper traffic on two eighty five going across
Speaker 3: the Chattahoochee Bridge right there before you merge on the
Speaker 3: seventy five, And so I started messing with it because
Speaker 3: the hell we're in traffic.
Speaker 1: It's nothing else to do.
Speaker 3: So I start like kind of flirting, and then she's
Speaker 3: not really trying to hear it. And then finally, I mean,
Speaker 3: we're literally in traffic for a while, so what else
Speaker 3: are you gonna do? Right, So then finally she kind
Speaker 3: of gives in because I really don't.
Speaker 1: I'm relentless. I don't stop right.
Speaker 3: So we go merging onto seventy five and then I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: we're getting We passed what's that windy hill and we're
Speaker 3: heading towards the next exit DELK Road. I said, you
Speaker 3: know what, man, this woman might think I'm a creep
Speaker 3: or something. You know, I don't want to just like
Speaker 3: I'm following her, but I'm literally going to the barbershop
Speaker 3: because we open up a shop out there in Powder Springs.
Speaker 3: So I was like, okay, let me get in front
Speaker 3: of her. So I get in front of her and
Speaker 3: I go get off Delk and we have to go
Speaker 3: way down Delk Road to this little side street called
Speaker 3: like Sandtown.
Speaker 1: Nobody knows.
Speaker 3: First of all, I'm glad I did get in front
Speaker 3: of her, because if I would have turned off this
Speaker 3: little road that she was turning on, oh, she would
Speaker 3: have definitely thought like this guy's like up to no good.
Speaker 1: You know. So I turn and then when we turn
Speaker 1: on this little road, she honks the horn and pulls
Speaker 1: over and comes on the side, and it was like
Speaker 1: follow me. I'm follow you. Okay.
Speaker 3: I've gotten into some things in my time, right, So
Speaker 3: I'm like okay. So we go to her house. She
Speaker 3: stayed right down the street.
Speaker 1: Hold on brother day one day, one day, no, not
Speaker 1: even day, no, not dat, like.
Speaker 2: Like forty five minutes later later, So Pedra says, to
Speaker 2: you come to my crib.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yeah, she says, follow me. So I follow her.
Speaker 3: We pull up at the house in the driveway, I
Speaker 3: get out, I see her.
Speaker 1: She looks at me, hey blah, blah blah. We talked
Speaker 1: for a minute. Did you you talked outside out side
Speaker 1: of the house. Yeah, I'll side in the in the driveway.
Speaker 1: She was like, what are you doing over here? You know?
Speaker 3: I said, oh, well, the barbershops down the street. She's like, oh,
Speaker 3: you cut here? I said, yeah, I cut here at
Speaker 3: the shop. She said, oh wow, okay, because they built
Speaker 3: a new plaza and everything down there, she knew where
Speaker 3: it was at. All right, cool, let's stay in contact
Speaker 3: and then from there we just you know, I think
Speaker 3: I called her a couple of times because back then
Speaker 3: you didn't really didn't have to sell phones like that,
Speaker 3: or you did what they were expensive, you know, and
Speaker 3: sold the home phone. Called the home phone a couple
Speaker 3: of times. She didn't answer, left a couple of messages.
Speaker 1: She was in uh Barbados or something, Galopagos, she was somewhere.
Speaker 3: But she returned my call find like a month later,
Speaker 3: and she was like, Hey, I've just been traveling, but
Speaker 3: I'm home now. You want to hook up? So we
Speaker 3: went out to eat. We went to Applebee's. We went
Speaker 3: to Applebee's.
Speaker 1: You know, it's crazy, the apple Bee's is still there
Speaker 1: right there on by the galleria. It's still at the
Speaker 1: same Yeah, we went there. Oh, it's not an expensive
Speaker 1: day at all to the money. Yeah, we went to
Speaker 1: the movies too. I think we went to the movies. Yeah,
Speaker 1: movie ticket. Yeah, so you know it was great. I
Speaker 1: wish we could do that back. No, right, you would
Speaker 1: get away with that now. Oh man, oh man, think
Speaker 1: about it. We could go you think about your friends, right,
Speaker 1: and the bill.
Speaker 3: Comes and just like for you guys, and the bill
Speaker 3: is like one hundred and fifty bucks, You're like, whoa man. Yeah,
Speaker 3: You're like, so you paid the whole thing, right, but man,
Speaker 3: things are so expensive nowadays, it's crazy. But yeah, we
Speaker 3: we go out to eat and so that's kind of
Speaker 3: how we started our relationship, just being friends and just
Speaker 3: going from there and uh so to that point. So
Speaker 3: when I came home, there was a situation that occurred.
Speaker 3: You know, most people don't know, but uh so, when
Speaker 3: I got arrested the first time, you know, that whole situation,
Speaker 3: a lot of people might say like this this here,
Speaker 3: no one even knows this. You know, this is the
Speaker 3: first time I've even made this statement ever. So I
Speaker 3: go do six years on a rico case, the same thing,
Speaker 3: like Doug is under whatever for racketeering a Corrupt Organization Act.
Speaker 1: This is when you were the very started dating Phadra. Yes. Yes,
Speaker 1: so it's almost like if you have and my thing
Speaker 1: wasn't gang related. It's more so like a white collar offenses, right,
Speaker 1: but on a high scale. So here it is you
Speaker 1: have multiple crews out there, you have people that I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, you're not just one person that's doing white
Speaker 1: collar crime. There's probably a gazillion people. Right.
Speaker 3: So long story short, someone that I know was committing
Speaker 3: these crimes, right, and they we were very close at
Speaker 3: the time, and they utilized some information. I had got
Speaker 3: arrested for something for a very short stint of time,
Speaker 3: and I called Phaeder to come and assist with that.
Speaker 1: For the bond and everything.
Speaker 3: She was like, well, you're gonna get a bond, but
Speaker 3: you probably have to sit like forty five days. All right,
Speaker 3: no problem, all right, but don't worry about it. You're
Speaker 3: gonna get a bail. So I think she came to
Speaker 3: visit me. So during that time, as like putting our
Speaker 3: case together to get the bond, we went to court
Speaker 3: a couple of times. So say on the second or
Speaker 3: third time going to court when we're back at the jail.
Speaker 3: She comes and pays me a visit and says, hey, well, no,
Speaker 3: this is at the courthouse. She says, I don't know
Speaker 3: what's going on, but the FEDS is outside and they're
Speaker 3: saying that, you know, they're wanting you for this, that
Speaker 3: and the third. I'm like, there's no way, like I'm
Speaker 3: literally in here for just this situation. That's really we're
Speaker 3: gonna get through this because I'm not guilty for what
Speaker 3: I'm in there for. But I said, okay, okay, we'll
Speaker 3: just cross that bridge later. But it's not me again.
Speaker 3: We won't you the word framed. But I basically I
Speaker 3: knew exactly what happened. I knew that, I knew exactly
Speaker 3: how everything went down, and I found myself in a conundrum.
Speaker 3: I found myself in a bad spot and I wasn't
Speaker 3: gonna flip on my friends or anything like that.
Speaker 1: I found myself in.
Speaker 3: A really, really dark place. And here it is, I'm
Speaker 3: going to trial. I'm being extradited to South Georgia, where
Speaker 3: I've never been. Okay, never been out there, never done
Speaker 3: a crime out there.
Speaker 1: So we fight.
Speaker 3: It was a sixteen count indictment, Okay, I was only
Speaker 3: on one count, which was Count one, which was the RICO. Well,
Speaker 3: in order to have a RICO, you have to prove,
Speaker 3: like predicate acts is what it is. You have to
Speaker 3: show how you're tied to this, you know, to this organization.
Speaker 3: But again they got me tied to an organization. But
Speaker 3: then they have me as the ring leader of the organization. Right, Well,
Speaker 3: all of the elements really didn't add up. So we
Speaker 3: did like a improper venue, no jurisdiction, all this crap.
Speaker 3: But long story short, I wound up doing this time.
Speaker 3: I did six years on that for something that I
Speaker 3: didn't do. I wrote it out, so fucking went to try.
Speaker 3: I lost trial attorney. Yeah, at first she was, but
Speaker 3: then I was like, okay, you know what, we kind
Speaker 3: of had a little falling out, and there's a lot
Speaker 3: of respect for her too, and I'm going to get
Speaker 3: to that point that I do have done. Like I said,
Speaker 3: I've never really mentioned this, you know, this all in
Speaker 3: the past, but there's a lot of respect for her
Speaker 3: that I do give for just I guess we would
Speaker 3: say like keeping the code, but at least just like
Speaker 3: staying loyal, staying staying staying loyal and above board so
Speaker 3: I decided to get another attorney who was like a
Speaker 3: Rico professor.
Speaker 1: He wrote a couple of books.
Speaker 3: I thought that that might fit the bill better because
Speaker 3: this is the first time that she would try.
Speaker 1: A big case like this.
Speaker 3: Plus it's a black woman, you know, down in the country.
Speaker 3: You don't know what happened, So I'm just looking at
Speaker 3: everything in totally. Plus it's my life, you know. And
Speaker 3: we had a couple of little little quarrels about that.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't think that's the best move for
Speaker 3: you. You know, who's going to have your back, who's going
Speaker 3: to talk. You know, at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: I say, I rode the dice, and you know, I
Speaker 3: crapped out, you know, versus hitting my number. But there
Speaker 3: was one of my co defendants who testified against me,
Speaker 3: like I'm going to trial and then motherfucker's is taking
Speaker 3: the stand, okay, and I.
Speaker 1: Mean whole diagram board and everything. I mean, it got rough.
Speaker 3: And so he hired her to be his counsel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so guess what that would mean.
Speaker 3: That would mean she would have to sit there, cross examined,
Speaker 3: and she would have to then blast me or knock
Speaker 3: my head off, right so she was the opposing Yeah,
Speaker 3: so my co defendant, who was a co defendant, she
Speaker 3: was hired to be his representation.
Speaker 2: So Phedra had to go against you in the court
Speaker 2: of law.
Speaker 1: Yes, So what she did was she just resigned from
Speaker 1: the case. Oh, she recused herself. Accuse herself. Yes, she
Speaker 1: recused hersel. And so that's why for you, that was
Speaker 1: very upstanding. Yeah, very very And I said, you know what,
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 3: You prefer just to have hands off and not even
Speaker 3: get in that muddy water.
Speaker 1: You know. That was good. And so you know, she
Speaker 1: went her way. I went my way.
Speaker 3: She was, you know, disgrown all about me, you know,
Speaker 3: hiring another council and so forth, and here we go.
Speaker 3: I go down in the books and I wound up
Speaker 3: losing trial, and so they gave me the time. And
Speaker 3: it wasn't until I had another friend who's uh so
Speaker 3: they messed all my paperwork up with my appeal. It
Speaker 3: was really just shitty. So I had another friend who
Speaker 3: had a whose cousin was an attorney, and I was
Speaker 3: I was cool with her father.
Speaker 1: It's her father's sister. Well, sorry, it's her aunt. Sorry.
Speaker 3: So I was cool with her dad and the way
Speaker 3: me and her. Their dad is a neurosurgeon up in
Speaker 3: in uh Indiana, so I was really cool with them.
Speaker 1: I gave her dad a couple of good points.
Speaker 3: So when XM radio was a Cyrus Cyrus series radio,
Speaker 3: So when they first came out in An, I came
Speaker 3: out this is like two thousand, two thousand and one.
Speaker 3: The IPO was extremely low and me or dad used
Speaker 3: to talk about stocks and so forth, and I was like, hey,
Speaker 3: you might want to jump on this, and he was
Speaker 3: like you sure, I said, man, I really think so
Speaker 3: you should.
Speaker 1: Jump on this.
Speaker 3: He made a shitload of money, a shitload of money,
Speaker 3: and so his dad's always talks to me like, hey,
Speaker 3: if you ever need anything, let me know.
Speaker 1: I owe you, owe you one.
Speaker 3: So I needed it. So I reached out to my friend.
Speaker 3: I was like, hey, look this is where I'm at.
Speaker 3: She used to come see me. She's like, you know what,
Speaker 3: my cousin is a practicing attorney in Atlanta. I want
Speaker 3: to talk to my I'm and my aunt. She said,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna talk.
Speaker 1: To my dad and see what can I say? Yes,
Speaker 1: talk to your dad.
Speaker 3: So sure enough she came to see me, and I
Speaker 3: had one last chance and it was basically a habeas
Speaker 3: corpus I can't remember. So we followed this habeas basically
Speaker 3: it was like a false imprisonment type thing, just saying
Speaker 3: that I'm being held against my will, and we just
Speaker 3: followed that against the prison.
Speaker 1: It gave me one last chance to go back before
Speaker 1: the courts.
Speaker 3: Anyways, I wind up by that time the has dropped
Speaker 3: the case. GBI wound up picking it up during that time.
Speaker 3: I think I left that part out. And so I'm
Speaker 3: basically in the state. In the State of Georgia, you
Speaker 3: do a third of your sentence, so they wind up
Speaker 3: giving me on the state levels like eighteen years.
Speaker 1: When I lost trial.
Speaker 2: Eighteen years, you got a sentenced for eighteen years.
Speaker 3: And on the non violent offense. The thing about it
Speaker 3: is on a rico. The rico and the state of George,
Speaker 3: well mostly in the nation is the highest statue of
Speaker 3: crime because you know it in tells whatever murder story
Speaker 3: blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: Right, so all this stuff, and they.
Speaker 3: Considering it was nonviolent and it fell in the line
Speaker 3: of the rico, there's still like it's a level seven,
Speaker 3: so it goes outside the grid.
Speaker 1: So level six is where t's that it was like
Speaker 1: a level seven.
Speaker 3: So what they did they just treated it as the
Speaker 3: same as it was a level six and consider it
Speaker 3: as non violent, and you do a third of your time,
Speaker 3: So three times six is eighteen, and that'll be the third.
Speaker 1: So I didn't know that.
Speaker 3: So the whole time, I'm sitting not really sure what's
Speaker 3: gonna happen, but I'm still fighting to get out. And
Speaker 3: mind you, I'm in there this whole time, wrongfully convicted.
Speaker 3: I didn't do it. Now, there was some elements right.
Speaker 3: My whole defense was we're not saying, hey, I never
Speaker 3: committed a crime. That was not the defense. The defense
Speaker 3: was I'm not part of this. Right, We're not saying
Speaker 3: that I wasn't doing something right or out out there,
Speaker 3: but I just wasn't a part of that. But anyways,
Speaker 3: so when I came home, her and I and again,
Speaker 3: like I say, nobody ever knew that. So here it
Speaker 3: is this story that's being told even on the on
Speaker 3: the Housewives, and I was, oh, this man's a crooked.
Speaker 3: I guess what, It's not even worth it. It's not
Speaker 3: even worth it. What am I gonna do? Wave the
Speaker 3: flag and say oh I didn't do it? And try
Speaker 3: to tell everybody and plead my case. Well, guess what
Speaker 3: the damage is done. I'm still convicted, fella, And I
Speaker 3: still went to jail. I still did time, but I
Speaker 3: went to time. I did time, but I.
Speaker 1: Didn't do it. Literally, I didn't do it, had nothing
Speaker 1: to do with it. So anyways, get out, I said,
Speaker 1: you know what. We stayed in contact. I think I
Speaker 1: called her a couple of times. I think I reached out.
Speaker 3: To her when I lost trial, just to say hello.
Speaker 3: Then I went to a camp in Atlanta. I think
Speaker 3: I was in Griffin Griffin, Georgia, and I reached out
Speaker 3: to her over the phone, reached out to Fader over
Speaker 3: the phone, and she was just like, you know, how
Speaker 3: long do you have to go? I don't know, but
Speaker 3: come to find out, I was at the camp. My
Speaker 3: level of crime. I wasn't supposed to be there and
Speaker 3: that kind of I don't know how I got there,
Speaker 3: but I stayed there. It was short lived, and then
Speaker 3: I wound up going to another prison and that's when
Speaker 3: things started kind of rolling for me a little better.
Speaker 1: And I wound up getting out. And when I got out,
Speaker 1: I called her and she was like, oh, when you're
Speaker 1: coming home? I was like, I'm home. She was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're home.
Speaker 3: Really, And then you know, she was already like engaged
Speaker 3: to somebody, and.
Speaker 1: At that point I was just.
Speaker 3: Like, man, you know, I think they might still be something,
Speaker 3: you know, So then I pursued it pursued.
Speaker 1: Although she was engaged to a man.
Speaker 3: Well, I just felt like it was still mine, you
Speaker 3: know at the time, you know, I really felt that way.
Speaker 3: And I went over to her house and we just
Speaker 3: started talking and kind of picked up from there.
Speaker 1: And she knew my circumstances at that time.
Speaker 3: Like she knew, you know, I was staying with a
Speaker 3: friend of mine, just got out, and again, you know,
Speaker 3: that was supportive too.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of things changed, like when you're.
Speaker 3: As you know these when you're on TV and you
Speaker 3: get your celebrity and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, you become a different person. Think about it.
Speaker 3: Even you're not the same person you were. I'm sure
Speaker 3: people tell you you've changed, you know, but you have
Speaker 3: to change to some degree.
Speaker 1: For sure, you.
Speaker 2: Grow, you grow, absolutely, but the character of who you
Speaker 2: are should remain the same.
Speaker 1: Shoul should Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like just fast forward like when I came when
Speaker 3: when when everyone was filming at the house prior to
Speaker 3: me the very last time I was on TV when
Speaker 3: I came to the house and I was disgrundled about
Speaker 3: all that stuff. It's because no one really knew the backstory, right,
Speaker 3: No one knew that this woman's been gone for quite
Speaker 3: a couple of days with the kids, and I had
Speaker 3: to fight to see my kids. And I'm coming home
Speaker 3: really to handle my business at the house, not to
Speaker 3: see a filming crew. And like you've ever seen when
Speaker 3: they jump on the Wizard of Oz, the witch is dead.
Speaker 3: It's like you're sitting here having a whole party, you know,
Speaker 3: when I'm gone. So that's why, you know, I was
Speaker 3: really upset then, but just rewind a little bit when
Speaker 3: as we started going, she was really you know, supportive
Speaker 3: about that fact. And then she was like, hey, let's
Speaker 3: not you. We're going to keep playing around. What are
Speaker 3: we gonna do. We've known each other forever. You've had
Speaker 3: drops and downs. I have much ups and downs. You've
Speaker 3: been here at my low times. I've been there for you.
Speaker 3: So we're not going to cross each other. Right, clearly
Speaker 3: that's been shown. We're not going to cross each other.
Speaker 3: That's before TV and all that stuff. You trust me,
Speaker 3: I trust you right right?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 3: Cool you think we should do this and start a family. Okay,
Speaker 3: cool you think so yeah, let's do it. Well okay,
Speaker 3: what about all this other stuff though that comes with that?
Speaker 3: Like rings in this you live an opulent lifestyle. You
Speaker 3: know you're you're you're a stupid person. So what do
Speaker 3: you want me to do here? Because I'm not ready
Speaker 3: ready to you know what I'm saying, to stop what
Speaker 3: I'm doing. I'm over here. My buddy gave me his
Speaker 3: condo in a two bedroom condo. He didn't even ask
Speaker 3: me for anything. Matter of fact, he was encouraging me
Speaker 3: to just take my time. And he used to put
Speaker 3: everything is paid for. I'm talking about every week.
Speaker 1: There's groceries in the refrigerator, there's money on the counter.
Speaker 1: Let everything is everything.
Speaker 3: Like listen, Paulo, don't trip out, don't do nothing, just
Speaker 3: get yourself together. So then when I was telling her that,
Speaker 3: she was like, well, you do know that when people
Speaker 3: get married there's responsibility. And you gotta said, well how
Speaker 3: about this, we can get married and I just live
Speaker 3: over there for a couple more months. And then it
Speaker 3: was like November first is when we got married, I
Speaker 3: can move in some months later. It might sound weird,
Speaker 3: but it's all about what you talk to with your person,
Speaker 3: you know, and what your you and your partner comes
Speaker 3: in to in agreements with. But that didn't fare with her,
Speaker 3: so she was like, no, that ain't gonna work. Okay, well,
Speaker 3: why don't you just take care of the smaller things
Speaker 3: and then I'll worry about the bigger things, the mortgage
Speaker 3: and all this stuff. I didn't feel right stepping into
Speaker 3: fucking three thousand dollar mortgage, Like, dude, I just came home.
Speaker 2: So so how soon did she get pregnant after you
Speaker 2: got home?
Speaker 1: Man? I don't know. Man, we pound town in. You
Speaker 1: have to make a full lost time. Yeah, no, none
Speaker 1: of that. They stopped all that. Okay, yeah, you don't
Speaker 1: have so you come home and then yeah, yeah, But
Speaker 1: the thing is, we really didn't think that.
Speaker 3: I didn't because we've always had, like, you know, I
Speaker 3: guess the unprotected situation, you know, and nothing's ever happened.
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, I guess we really
Speaker 1: the pull off game was good back then?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess so, And is it good now?
Speaker 1: I'll follow? I mean, I'm not do I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: married right now, I'm not. You know, you gotta you
Speaker 1: gotta put uh birth control and all that good stuff,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: But uh so you think this whole confusion with the
Speaker 2: do date had a little bit to do with the
Speaker 2: fact that, listen, she comes from being a pastor's kid,
Speaker 2: and she's she's also private.
Speaker 1: We know that.
Speaker 3: I think it's the privacy. I don't think that she thought.
Speaker 3: I don't think that she really thought that through, thought
Speaker 3: that question through. It just hit her and then she
Speaker 3: was like, Okay, well, what are my parents gonna think that?
Speaker 3: Maybe it just hit her and then you know, some
Speaker 3: people just say things and then it's kind of too late.
Speaker 3: And that's what I spoke to her about a little
Speaker 3: prior to going on to the marriad of medicine and
Speaker 3: all that situation, right, because.
Speaker 1: I was like, why do you you said something?
Speaker 3: Because literally I called her and I was like, this
Speaker 3: is why one of the reasons why I really don't
Speaker 3: want to go on here, right, I don't mind, but
Speaker 3: I don't want to.
Speaker 1: Why do you dig a hole for yourself? Is it?
Speaker 1: When she told people y'all been in high school.
Speaker 3: It's like she says something about the reason why I
Speaker 3: wasn't at Aden's birthday.
Speaker 1: Is because I was out of town. Dude, why didn't
Speaker 1: you just tell the truth and say we've had multiple
Speaker 1: birthday parties.
Speaker 3: That was for the TV. That was for you guys,
Speaker 3: like what are you doing? But see when you do that,
Speaker 3: then it causes more scrutiny. It causes for people to say, hmm,
Speaker 3: well how is that when I just seen him over here,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: Which is why you have to address it with Toya
Speaker 1: on the reunion. Yeah, like you know, so I just
Speaker 1: think that she finds herself in this situation.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's okay to protect certain things, but you don't
Speaker 3: have to protect everything. You know, It's okay to be authentic.
Speaker 3: It's okay to let you've already been what on TV
Speaker 3: over ten years, ups and downs, husband went to prison,
Speaker 3: You had your kids then, so I saw you had
Speaker 3: a kid out of way.
Speaker 1: You're not going to be discredited as a person.
Speaker 3: Shit happens. Everybody is human. You're entitled to a mistake.
Speaker 3: You should, you know, Like, right now, I'm trying to
Speaker 3: get out of a mistake. The stuff that hit on TMZ.
Speaker 3: Some mistake should happens.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing.
Speaker 2: Well, the thing is this, Obviously, what I loved about
Speaker 2: you and Phedra working with you guys was the fact
Speaker 2: that this you two came on the show and brought
Speaker 2: something so relatable right that people just don't talk about
Speaker 2: or they don't show. I know tons of women who
Speaker 2: are professionals, whether are lawyers, doctors, whatever, and oftentimes their
Speaker 2: husband may have a pass that includes incarceration because at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, black men are.
Speaker 1: Not set up in this country to win, right. We're
Speaker 1: just not. We're not.
Speaker 2: And I give Faedra credit for looking at your soul
Speaker 2: and all of this and saying to herself, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, like, I want to give this a chance.
Speaker 2: Despite me being this esteem accredited attorney, I'm going to
Speaker 2: follow my heart break off my engagement, be.
Speaker 1: With this man and choose that life. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So what we saw on the show to me was
Speaker 2: something relatable. But I am with you. I think the
Speaker 2: thing with Phedra that I think us as the audience
Speaker 2: is like, well, even watching Mariti Medicine and when she said, oh,
Speaker 2: I met Paula in high school and it's like, we know,
Speaker 2: y'all have a cute little age difference. So I think
Speaker 2: it's stuff like that that bothers people because it's like
Speaker 2: you got to say all that like we you're a girl,
Speaker 2: an ass woman. It was like Apollo was fourteen and
Speaker 2: you were eighteen, you know what I mean? So I
Speaker 2: definitely understand where you're coming from with that. When it
Speaker 2: came to the Housewise, when y'all came on the show, it,
Speaker 2: I mean, eyeballs were on the two of you because
Speaker 2: it was you both are scorpios, which inherently means you're
Speaker 2: you're private people, but you're on the biggest show on Bravo,
Speaker 2: is the number one show on Bravo, and then your
Speaker 2: life has changed drastically and then and it became a
Speaker 2: big story about your marriage, so much so that when
Speaker 2: Kenya Mare came on the show, was that something you
Speaker 2: were surprised that people really took this flirtiness?
Speaker 1: Would you?
Speaker 2: What would you say about what you and Kenya's friendship
Speaker 2: were when you first met her on the show?
Speaker 1: Were you attracted to Kenya when you met her? I
Speaker 1: thought that she was really a dope person, like super
Speaker 1: cool when we first met. I think it was with
Speaker 1: Walter at the Grand Prix.
Speaker 3: That was the very first time that I met her,
Speaker 3: and you know, I've seen her around and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: but this is my first time like interacted. What I
Speaker 3: really liked about I thought that she just had a
Speaker 3: good soul, a good person based on like just super
Speaker 3: funny and it wasn't like in a flirty way.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I could vibe with that, Like, you.
Speaker 3: Know, she seemed like one of the one of the
Speaker 3: authentic people that if we have to film with people
Speaker 3: and all this, like it could be a jokey like
Speaker 3: a cool situation and some people might have thought, like
Speaker 3: it might be flirtatious or something like that. It started
Speaker 3: out as being she's competitive as hell. It started off
Speaker 3: by that. That's what really was like, because I'm super
Speaker 3: competitive and I'm just like okay, And it started out
Speaker 3: on the golf thing, a little put put thing, and
Speaker 3: then some other things like and I was like I
Speaker 3: can rock with this person, like but not in a
Speaker 3: sexual way or nothing like that. At first, the chemistry
Speaker 3: was good. Now was she attractive you very much?
Speaker 2: So you know, did you did you know who she
Speaker 2: was based on her being missus?
Speaker 1: Ay?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I knew, But like I say that didn't all
Speaker 3: come together as far as the knowledge until putting it.
Speaker 3: I've seen her out and about, and I've seen her
Speaker 3: like in the media and stuff like that, but I
Speaker 3: didn't put two and two together until.
Speaker 1: After the fact, and I said, oh, wow, okay, so
Speaker 1: I don't think I think, man, she made it clear
Speaker 1: that she was attracted to me. I mean kind I mean,
Speaker 1: she kind of said it, you.
Speaker 2: Know, says a Paula is kind of fine. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: felt that she was letting you know that she was
Speaker 2: attracted to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 3: But I wasn't using that as a as like a
Speaker 3: as a toy or a pond, you know, to put
Speaker 3: on the board and move it around. It was just like, okay, cool,
Speaker 3: you know she verbalized it. I mean I was like,
Speaker 3: I just kept it to myself. So she's a nice
Speaker 3: looking woman. I just kept it to myself. She verbalized it, But.
Speaker 1: I just thought that she she had a good, good personality,
Speaker 1: is what is what I liked about it.
Speaker 2: When did you realize your wife had a problem with
Speaker 2: your friendship with Kenya?
Speaker 3: Well, I realized it when I think I saw Kenya
Speaker 3: doing an interview or something, and I know that during
Speaker 3: that time, a lot of new people, so you learn
Speaker 3: a lot in this business. And just backing up a
Speaker 3: little bit while being on this show, you know, in hindsight,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of things I'm sure you wish you
Speaker 3: would have did different and or and then you learn
Speaker 3: from it. When you get the opportunity again, you can
Speaker 3: implement those changes.
Speaker 1: For me the same thing.
Speaker 3: And I think we we skimmed over a little bit
Speaker 3: prior to doing this interview about how, you know, just
Speaker 3: having that person, you know, I think when you come
Speaker 3: new into the celebrity or new into a platform, you
Speaker 3: need that person that can kind of coach you and
Speaker 3: guide you and let you understand, okay, whether if it's
Speaker 3: product placement or whether it's you know, working the proper
Speaker 3: contract or what to say, what not to say, you know,
Speaker 3: pr or whatever. And then some people don't even have
Speaker 3: the revenue to afford things like that, so then you
Speaker 3: don't want to find yourself and you know, being misrepresented
Speaker 3: and so forth. But I say that to say that
Speaker 3: I wish that, you know, we would have been better coached.
Speaker 3: But see, I think I think I was thinking that
Speaker 3: you know, phased the fact that she was, you know,
Speaker 3: IP attorney during that time that she had this whole
Speaker 3: thing kind of mapped out, because I did go I
Speaker 3: signed on that dotted line based on the fact that
Speaker 3: we're signing as a family, and we're doing this as
Speaker 3: a family, You're gonna protect me and cultivate me.
Speaker 1: And like vice versa, right, And that wasn't the case.
Speaker 1: But that's that's later down the line, maybe in this interview.
Speaker 1: But when I saw can you do her interview? I
Speaker 1: thought she did well.
Speaker 3: And she's already been down that road before, but I
Speaker 3: thought she really did well and how she answered the
Speaker 3: questions and so forth, and I thought, you know, you know,
Speaker 3: I look sometimes at the shows and I said, oh, man,
Speaker 3: that makeups looks good, or you know, you learn these things, right.
Speaker 1: Okay, well that man that makeup, don't look at the
Speaker 1: camera's not hitting that right.
Speaker 3: You know, you look at all this stuff, right, So
Speaker 3: I thought, you know, everything was good, but it wasn't
Speaker 3: in like.
Speaker 1: A flirtatious way.
Speaker 3: So I said, I sent her a message and I said,
Speaker 3: you did well, So I like you dressed you did well.
Speaker 3: And I think she responded back thanks blah blah blah,
Speaker 3: and phaser.
Speaker 1: Seeing that, I think I believe she said thank you, babe. Right,
Speaker 1: I don't remember, but okay, let's just say she did. Right.
Speaker 3: Fader didn't take kind to that, but here it is
Speaker 3: is now. I don't know if that was in I mean,
Speaker 3: some people might say that was inappropriate. I didn't think
Speaker 3: it was inappropriate. I mean, hell, we're all on this
Speaker 3: platform together, right, we're all.
Speaker 1: How did pay to see that? You go through your phone?
Speaker 1: She went through the phone while you were asleep. No,
Speaker 1: we were right there.
Speaker 3: Well, we were kind of like laying there and I
Speaker 3: was like whatever, and she I think something happened.
Speaker 1: I just know a shoe came flying by me and
Speaker 1: the guy and then shoe hit the hit the wall. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like she literally threw the shoe at me through a
Speaker 1: high hill at me. Wait what Yeah, she's seen it
Speaker 1: and through the high hill and uh yeah, I had
Speaker 1: my back turned. So she's back there, and I'm so
Speaker 1: I sleep on the side of the bed that's closer
Speaker 1: to the wall.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember that house. Did you
Speaker 3: go to the yes, yeah, and the one and bucket
Speaker 3: the one in yes.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So that's like a little area goes straight to the
Speaker 1: bed when you come in. So I was sitting on
Speaker 1: that side, and that whole open area is over there,
Speaker 1: so she threw the shoe and and then it goes
Speaker 1: down from there, and I'm just like, and then that's
Speaker 1: I guess that fueled her to say, why are you
Speaker 1: you know, doing this with my husband? Da da da da?
Speaker 1: And then Kenya goes on the defense like what are
Speaker 1: you talking about?
Speaker 2: It?
Speaker 1: At first it was like, then it just gets a
Speaker 1: little more deeper and deeper.
Speaker 2: You know, it definitely got deeper, so much so that
Speaker 2: obviously you know when you guys were in Anguilla and
Speaker 2: you threw Kenya in the pool.
Speaker 1: No, that's not how that happened. Okay, that's not how
Speaker 1: I was. I didn't work that season. You tell me
Speaker 1: you run it back ahead, talk to me.
Speaker 3: I'm there, chilling, all out, chilling there, Greg niney rest
Speaker 3: in peace. They're over there. Uh Fhager's over there with
Speaker 3: them in the cabana portioning cradels over here, and I
Speaker 3: don't know, Peter's somewhere right there, and I'm there chilling
Speaker 3: talking to the guys.
Speaker 1: She walks by and she pushes me in the pool.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, that's what she did.
Speaker 3: And then you know, she makes her little side eye
Speaker 3: and she does her little comments under her breath. I
Speaker 3: don't know what she's saying, right, but the camera's called it.
Speaker 3: And so I get oh, it's game on, playtime, let's
Speaker 3: go all competitive. Yeah, So I get out the pool
Speaker 3: and quite naturally, she's going in that water. So that's
Speaker 3: when I scooped her up and we jumped in the pool.
Speaker 3: So it wasn't like I just gonna come and pick
Speaker 3: this woman up and she she got a man there
Speaker 3: and I'm just gonna throw in the water. No, I'm
Speaker 3: not that you know that raising but you know I
Speaker 3: could be, but not that night, so that I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, so people, you know, they I didn't see
Speaker 3: anything wrong with man. We were all having a good time.
Speaker 3: People were drinking more on vacation, come on, but hey,
Speaker 3: it's for the tvous reality TV, right.
Speaker 2: Well, I think a lot of it had to do
Speaker 2: with the fact that, you know, listen, it was evident
Speaker 2: that and listen, what started was a healthy conversation amongst
Speaker 2: couples was appropriate or inappropriate, so much so that I again,
Speaker 2: correct me if I'm wrong. I do believe Kenya texts
Speaker 2: you thank you, babe, and a lot of women said
Speaker 2: a single woman should never text a married man the
Speaker 2: word babe, and Kenya has apologized for that, right because.
Speaker 1: Again is what you said.
Speaker 2: We were learning how to navigate through this, and I
Speaker 2: also think you just learned, like I'm being competitive to
Speaker 2: this woman because you know, she pushed me in the pool. First,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get her back, and my wife is there,
Speaker 2: so I'm not trying to do anything, you know, because
Speaker 2: my wife is there. But then it became something crazy
Speaker 2: when conversations started to occur where you accuse Kenya of
Speaker 2: trying to suck your dick, and that's when things became.
Speaker 1: That's not funny but crazy. I was thinking about some
Speaker 1: other stuff too.
Speaker 2: Did you tell Faedra that because you wanted to just
Speaker 2: get her off your case and get the hell out
Speaker 2: of your head?
Speaker 3: Well, a couple of things, if we're I didn't know
Speaker 3: that the show was going to get so convoluted and
Speaker 3: that it was going to be like an eye for
Speaker 3: an eye and everybody's gonna do that, because that's not
Speaker 3: because if you recall like the very first the first year, right,
Speaker 3: I was there, but I wasn't really there, true, right,
Speaker 3: So I didn't. It wasn't until like maybe something happened
Speaker 3: at one of the reunions where it was like I
Speaker 3: think Stephen was he was back there and he was like,
Speaker 3: says something to me, like something like you can talk
Speaker 3: or something like that. He was making a joke and
Speaker 3: was like, dude, why don't you express yourself? Like how
Speaker 3: come you just always stay dormant? He was like, man,
Speaker 3: you did really well, like why aren't you speaking? And
Speaker 3: I was just like, well, you know, fuck it out
Speaker 3: all right, cool, Okay, I'll do better next time, yes,
Speaker 3: And so I started coming out of my shell a
Speaker 3: little more, and I didn't know that it was gonna
Speaker 3: be to the point where everybody is going to just
Speaker 3: try to, you know, rip your soul out and always
Speaker 3: take you know, and take everything for face value.
Speaker 1: And so when we were having just like I say,
Speaker 1: if all of us went on.
Speaker 3: Vacation and we're friends per se, and we're all friends,
Speaker 3: and we all dying together, we all go out together,
Speaker 3: we all do these things together. I wouldn't have a
Speaker 3: problem if if my wife said, babe to you are
Speaker 3: if you and her were.
Speaker 1: I got homeboys.
Speaker 3: Now like shoot me and Sharen has gotten into situations
Speaker 3: and I'm some man might find it messed up, right,
Speaker 3: My boys will take make sure that my wife is okay,
Speaker 3: give her a car to drive to come home and
Speaker 3: she drunk, take care of whatever. Because we're friends, so
Speaker 3: I don't think nothing about it. And if she calls
Speaker 3: them babe or says, oh you look good, babe or whatever,
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't look at that.
Speaker 1: It's funny because I mean, my relationship is a little
Speaker 1: different my friends. The way we roll is different. I
Speaker 1: don't I don't feel intimidated by anything like that. But
Speaker 1: now on the other side of.
Speaker 3: It, when we're at that reunion, I wouldn't have said nothing.
Speaker 3: It's like this, I've let by guns be bygones, I
Speaker 3: let everything be chill. But when Kenya she did open
Speaker 3: her mouth and start saying stuff about I've been texting
Speaker 3: her and although stop your man from texting me and
Speaker 3: da da da da. Nah, you don't do that because
Speaker 3: there was did anybody look at the text messages.
Speaker 1: And see what was all in the text messages?
Speaker 3: There could have been a lot of things that was
Speaker 3: inappropriate in the messages, okay, but once you put that
Speaker 3: out there, that's when I said.
Speaker 1: Okay, all gloves are off.
Speaker 3: You know what Okay, since we're gonna put on we're
Speaker 3: on this TV show and y'all want to act stupid,
Speaker 3: let's act stupid.
Speaker 1: Since that's what you want to do. Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give it to you.
Speaker 3: First of all, you shouldn't have opened your mouth and said
Speaker 3: nothing about You shouldn't have said nothing that. You should
Speaker 3: have just left that out and y'all just argue about
Speaker 3: whatever y'all arguing about.
Speaker 1: But now you feel like you Yeah, you came from me.
Speaker 1: I'm sitting back.
Speaker 3: Here on the chair or wherever I was that right
Speaker 3: there on the side. Dude, you should have never opened
Speaker 3: your mouth because I didn't open my mouth about you.
Speaker 3: I didn't say nothing.
Speaker 1: I didn't say I've never said anything about you. You
Speaker 1: started it, not me. That's how I felt about it.
Speaker 2: So you felt it was an eye for an eye
Speaker 2: going back to this competitiveness like you did this. I'm
Speaker 2: going to get at you. And is that the reason
Speaker 2: why you did lie about what she was trying to
Speaker 2: offer you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the reason. But also it was also a
Speaker 1: lot of it was calculated too, because this is why
Speaker 1: if you look at the whole thing, Okay, and people
Speaker 1: can everyone has an opinion. I feel like a lot
Speaker 1: of that ride, A lot of that ride was based
Speaker 1: on her notoriety. I think a lot of that came
Speaker 1: with the coreum between her and Phaeder. Right, Oh, that
Speaker 1: was a beef, right me.
Speaker 3: Then after that post that, it came the infidelity situation
Speaker 3: that rode on for a whole season.
Speaker 1: I go to prison. So the part that this is
Speaker 1: the other part.
Speaker 3: So how I turned around and I'm thinking about the longevity,
Speaker 3: about Phaser, about the longevity of the show, about her
Speaker 3: still having a staple in the program. So the best
Speaker 3: thing I can do is it's a ripple effect and
Speaker 3: people don't see that, but you have to put you
Speaker 3: have to put those pieces out there, and you have
Speaker 3: to look long term. So I looked at it when
Speaker 3: I made that statement, and I did what I did
Speaker 3: because it was part of it was calculated. So when
Speaker 3: I do what I when I did what I did,
Speaker 3: I'm looking three four seasons down the line, like this
Speaker 3: can't just cut off like this, There's no way. So
Speaker 3: now by me going to prison and me telling everybody
Speaker 3: at Peter's restaurant at the bar one that this was
Speaker 3: all a lie, then I said, what the fuck?
Speaker 1: Okay, it's a lie. Now, oh shit.
Speaker 3: So now once I go outside and I apologize to Kenya,
Speaker 3: now here you go all this other shit and then
Speaker 3: people don't really know if it's true or not true.
Speaker 1: So then here you go.
Speaker 3: Now everybody's gonna talk about this, talk about that, and
Speaker 3: then I gotta go.
Speaker 1: I'm going to weigh her. Phaser can figure it out
Speaker 1: down the line, whatever whatever.
Speaker 2: So you were trying to set up Phedra to have
Speaker 2: staying power on the show. You knew you were going
Speaker 2: away because one thing about the night of Bar one.
Speaker 2: I remember talking to you and you felt like, I
Speaker 2: just want to clear the air before I go in, yep,
Speaker 2: And you were like, lows, I want to say this
Speaker 2: to her. And Faedia wasn't there that night, and you
Speaker 2: know you have the courage to, you know, admit that
Speaker 2: to Kenya, who at the time.
Speaker 1: She said she felt that.
Speaker 2: She had like this scarlet letter on her, that she
Speaker 2: was somebody who would offer filatio to marry man.
Speaker 1: And I believe what she said.
Speaker 2: I'm paraphrasing, but she she felt like the world thought
Speaker 2: she was that type of woman who would do that
Speaker 2: to a marry man. Kudos to you, obviously, you know,
Speaker 2: admitting to it, A lot of people did want to know.
Speaker 1: If Faeder put you up to that.
Speaker 2: No, you did that all in around, and she believed it.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she believed that part. Yeah, she believed.
Speaker 3: It because I mean I just stood my I just
Speaker 3: stood my ground.
Speaker 1: I stood my ground, you you know, and you know
Speaker 1: I still felt how I still felt, how I felt
Speaker 1: about You know, a man knows how far I think
Speaker 1: he can go with a woman, you know, given the
Speaker 1: given the circumstance.
Speaker 3: Again, I don't think and I'm not minimizing it. I'm
Speaker 3: not saying it didn't hurt her, right. It might have
Speaker 3: hurt her emotionally, it didn't hurt her financially either one.
Speaker 1: Either one, either one.
Speaker 3: It hurt both of them emotionally, but financially it didn't
Speaker 3: hurt and for as their career, it didn't hurt. And
Speaker 3: you know, you're not gonna be who's looking at you interpersonally.
Speaker 3: If whatever your preference is and whatever you choose to
Speaker 3: do as an individual, who's looking at you whose opinion
Speaker 3: really matters, that's an interpersonal thing. So if someone's the
Speaker 3: world is looking at you as being a hormonger, looking
Speaker 3: at you as being a person who offers married men filatio.
Speaker 1: What are we talking about? Who says that? Who's really
Speaker 1: saying that to you? Nobody.
Speaker 3: You're just going by what might be in the media.
Speaker 3: You might go by what's being on the tweets at
Speaker 3: that time or the Instagram post or whatever it is
Speaker 3: the comments. But overall, I'm not saying I'm not negating
Speaker 3: the fact that the individual might have been hurt and
Speaker 3: felt humiliated.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. But but if I'm a married
Speaker 1: man and you know that I'm married, and you take
Speaker 1: a jab at me telling my wife on National TV,
Speaker 1: tell your husband to stop texting me or what whatever?
Speaker 1: That looks bad? What does that look like I'm doing?
Speaker 2: You?
Speaker 1: Did you consider that? Nobody considered that part.
Speaker 3: That's why I just did what I did and nipped
Speaker 3: it in the bud right then and there and just said, okay,
Speaker 3: let's go for this ride.
Speaker 1: Then let's go for this ride. Because you're already.
Speaker 3: If you're in a relationship and a person tells you
Speaker 3: that your significant other and our husband is texting me
Speaker 3: another person of interest, what are you gonna speculate? It
Speaker 3: ain't gonna be good.
Speaker 1: You're gonna speculate the worst.
Speaker 2: What happened after you guys were going home after the
Speaker 2: reunion when she said stop texting me because at that
Speaker 2: time Phaeder was pregnant and she obviously is dealing with
Speaker 2: the pregnancy, dealing being emotional. Was there an argument on
Speaker 2: the way home after the reunion? I'm like, are you
Speaker 2: what do you mean? You texted her stuff like that thing?
Speaker 1: Man, I was about to say, Sharin, No, so face
Speaker 1: your nine. We don't. We really didn't argue like that,
Speaker 1: you know, there was no there was. She says what
Speaker 1: she says, I say what I said. We more so
Speaker 1: would talk about certain things. First.
Speaker 3: No, there was some times that we would jump the gun,
Speaker 3: but we tried to work on that, Like, hey, before
Speaker 3: we just jumped the gun, let's just ask the question,
Speaker 3: Mari Nate. Because she's an attorney too, you got to
Speaker 3: think like she tries to be calculated as well. So
Speaker 3: it's like, okay, she might throw something out there, ask
Speaker 3: the questions like, all right, cool, you want to talk
Speaker 3: about it now, you want to answer it later, get
Speaker 3: your lie together, the type of thing, you know. But no,
Speaker 3: we didn't really discuss it at all. I mean, you
Speaker 3: think about what we're dealing with other things. We got
Speaker 3: a newborn coming in, we got to figure out other stuff.
Speaker 3: So it's just like, Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna stand
Speaker 3: on my ground.
Speaker 1: That's what it's gonna be. That's what it was.
Speaker 3: Because remember the text messages was back in I think
Speaker 3: it was whenever she was on that on the show
Speaker 3: when I said to shoot flying a question.
Speaker 1: So, but what we make her say that?
Speaker 3: At the reunion? Why would she throw me under the bus?
Speaker 3: She was mad at Phaser for what? What was the
Speaker 3: what was the topic of conversation. I think maybe Phaser
Speaker 3: said something about you want my man or something. I
Speaker 3: can't remember exactly how that started.
Speaker 1: But now you had a listen that season.
Speaker 2: So season seven is when you got sentenced and you
Speaker 2: were on the way of going to jail. During that
Speaker 2: season is when you discovered that your wife, speaking of texting,
Speaker 2: was texting another man that was labeled mister Chocolate. How
Speaker 2: did you find that out? You did you go through
Speaker 2: her phone too?
Speaker 1: See, yes, I went through her phone. I went through
Speaker 1: her phone.
Speaker 3: She used to safeguard her phone like it was like
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, kind of like they do down
Speaker 3: at the Federal Reserve.
Speaker 1: You know and uh, this particular day, Aiden had or
Speaker 1: no Dylan, so one of them had a rash.
Speaker 3: And you know, back when, I don't think people was
Speaker 3: just touching the iPhone and turning the camera on from
Speaker 3: the screen. They had to open the phone and go
Speaker 3: to the camera. I'm on camera the flashlight, not camera,
Speaker 3: the flashlight. So we were in the room back then,
Speaker 3: I don't think she wanted to turn the lights on,
Speaker 3: so she used the flashlight to look and it was like,
Speaker 3: I'll not forget this. So that morning we were going,
Speaker 3: I wanted to make sure that you know, my children
Speaker 3: travel a lot, and you know, both parents have to
Speaker 3: be present for the passport and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: So I did all the dogs.
Speaker 3: Want to make sure that all their passports were up
Speaker 3: to date while I was gone. While I was gone,
Speaker 3: so we had an appointment to go get the passports
Speaker 3: to go send the applications and stuff in at the
Speaker 3: post office. So while we're getting ready to go, I
Speaker 3: see the phone with the light on. It means the
Speaker 3: phone's open. She goes to the other room. I take
Speaker 3: the phone. I go upstairs. I go in Dylan's room.
Speaker 3: I hide off in there and I'm going through the phone,
Speaker 3: and I see all these messages with her and the
Speaker 3: guy flirting her, sending him these pictures and talking about
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: I mean it was all they showed it, all this
Speaker 1: all online.
Speaker 3: How she had a couple of drinks, she's feeling a
Speaker 3: certain way and I just unappropriate shit, and how she
Speaker 3: can't wait for me to leave. So I guess that
Speaker 3: they can do whatever they're doing. I mean, hell, that's
Speaker 3: what she texted, not me, you know. And I don't
Speaker 3: know if you remember I did that interview not too
Speaker 3: far from mirror. Yeah, so all and then at that
Speaker 3: point I came downstairs and I was like, I was
Speaker 3: pissed off at the same time, there's an agenda. So
Speaker 3: I told her mom. I said a couple of things
Speaker 3: to her mom. Her mom was in disbelief, said some
Speaker 3: things to her. We got in the car and handled
Speaker 3: our business. I didn't yell at her in the car,
Speaker 3: none of that stuff. I just said, you know what,
Speaker 3: we're gonna handle our shit. We'll deal with this like later.
Speaker 3: That's how you look at me, that's what you feel, okay, cool.
Speaker 3: I don't expect I really didn't have any expectations me
Speaker 3: going to prison. You what you gonna hold it down,
Speaker 3: You're gonna you know, I really didn't.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it feels like to know that
Speaker 2: in a matter of days you're going to be sentenced
Speaker 2: to prison for five years and what that does to
Speaker 2: a person's mental right. And that's why there's no judgment
Speaker 2: here how you handled it, because I have no idea
Speaker 2: what that feels like. I don't know what it's like
Speaker 2: to know you get sentenced, but you're you're able to,
Speaker 2: you know, be free in the world. But in the
Speaker 2: back of your mind, you know there's an end day
Speaker 2: of you being you know.
Speaker 1: It's like your interin. Let's just say, imagine this is
Speaker 1: your road and that this box right here and this
Speaker 1: is the cliff, right, So you're on this little.
Speaker 3: Train and it's echine, but you know it's evitable. You've
Speaker 3: got to get to the ends some point. Right it's
Speaker 3: inchin and you're gonna fall off, but you know that
Speaker 3: you're just kind of just doing what you're doing, living
Speaker 3: every day, basically surviving, but internal you're eating alive. And
Speaker 3: the problem is with that my relationship and my wife
Speaker 3: at the time, there was nothing cultivated. There's no love.
Speaker 3: It was dark, it was like you turned your back
Speaker 3: on me. That's how I felt. So when I mean what,
Speaker 3: I'm going to continue to feel that way. Why, Okay,
Speaker 3: let me tell you why. And that's how she thinks
Speaker 3: that Charene. There was a lot of infidelity and this
Speaker 3: person cheated and Scharene was sleeping with a marry man.
Speaker 3: That's not true. That's not true because what happened. I
Speaker 3: met a person through one of my good friends, my
Speaker 3: childhood friend, which was Scharen. I met her through Gordon
Speaker 3: and during that time, I met Sharene the second. That's
Speaker 3: when I think Beyonce and jay Z started doing the
Speaker 3: butt Fest in Philadelphia. That's like a big thing they do.
Speaker 3: They shut the whole Center city down or something like that.
Speaker 3: It's it's a big thing. And they got like ten stages.
Speaker 3: It's real big. So I meet her through my friend
Speaker 3: on September second of twenty twenty three, just as friends
Speaker 3: being out.
Speaker 1: There was nothing about it. You met her September second,
Speaker 1: twenty No, sorry, twenty thirteen. I'm sorry. Yeah, it's glad,
Speaker 1: glad you come, yeah, twenty thirteen, September second, I was
Speaker 1: already we were already going through stuff. Phaser and nine.
Speaker 1: It was already tromoltuous. We were already trying to figure
Speaker 1: out Even before we went and bought the house. We
Speaker 1: were thinking about, hey, is this the right thing to do?
Speaker 3: But then she gets pregnant with Dylan, It's like, okay,
Speaker 3: maybe we should work this out.
Speaker 1: Stick things in, let's just figure it out. So October
Speaker 1: thirteenth or October twelfth is when the Secret Service came,
Speaker 1: and that's when we knew, Okay, this is what's about
Speaker 1: to happen.
Speaker 3: Don't know when, but at some point, you know something's
Speaker 3: gonna shake. I mean I already knew that because once they,
Speaker 3: you know, did their little warrant and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: So when I first told Phaguer about it, she kind
Speaker 3: of just turned the blind eye to it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is serious. Oh whatever.
Speaker 3: So then life continues to go on, so I have
Speaker 3: no one to talk to. So once that happened, I
Speaker 3: jump on a plane. I go see my guy in Philly,
Speaker 3: and I went and I saw Cherene and we talked,
Speaker 3: and I laid on her couch and it was the
Speaker 3: warmest feeling ever.
Speaker 1: The couch or her body. No, at the couch. She
Speaker 1: was in the kitchen. She's a chef.
Speaker 3: She cooked, so she was in the kitchen but she
Speaker 3: was doing something and we were just talking and I
Speaker 3: just kind of shut down.
Speaker 1: I wasn't myself and she was like, what's wrong?
Speaker 3: And I just broke down and I was just telling
Speaker 3: her like, I feel really bad because I'm about It's
Speaker 3: not about what happened. Yes, I'm remorseful for that, but
Speaker 3: it was more so I'm about to leave my children.
Speaker 3: All I could think about is relationship that I had
Speaker 3: with Aiden. Dylan was one, but I was about to
Speaker 3: leave my little boy. You know, I'm about to leave
Speaker 3: me a little guy, and that's fucked up. He's gonna
Speaker 3: he needs me, Like this is fucked up. And that's
Speaker 3: how I felt. And then she was just like and
Speaker 3: I was like, man, it feels like my wife has
Speaker 3: just turned her back on me. I have no one
Speaker 3: to talk to. I don't want to throw my business
Speaker 3: out there in the streets.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: So at that point it was really two people. It
Speaker 3: was her and Gordon for the most part.
Speaker 1: That I was like, you know, confiding in and so
Speaker 1: if I have people, you know, people are like my guy,
Speaker 1: you know, Bun. He was supportive, but here it is
Speaker 1: I'm laying on the sofa and she just looks at
Speaker 1: me and she holds my hand and says, like, you know,
Speaker 1: just chill stop, you know, don't cry. It's gonna be okay.
Speaker 3: I'm your friend, she says, I'm here for you.
Speaker 1: You need me, I'm here for you. Cool.
Speaker 3: So all the time we would talk on the phone
Speaker 3: all the time. It was just more so like it
Speaker 3: was moral support. It's a lot of moral support. So
Speaker 3: then when the next episode came, I'm still talking to
Speaker 3: phase of trying to she's still not really trying to
Speaker 3: hear me out. I remember when I think the next
Speaker 3: thing was like an arraignment or something. She wasn't present.
Speaker 3: Then when it came time for you know, for the
Speaker 3: attorneys and stuff like that. You know, there was some
Speaker 3: some pivotal moments like she was she was present for that.
Speaker 3: You know, she was present for that. Financially, she helped out.
Speaker 3: But here it is collectively, we're we're husband and wife, right,
Speaker 3: We're supposed to share, right, everything is shared and so forth.
Speaker 1: So I felt a certain way about that.
Speaker 3: Then as it started getting a little thicker, because we're
Speaker 3: getting we're getting into it to fourteen now, and there's
Speaker 3: a couple of chain of events that occurred with you know,
Speaker 3: legally where she's not available, and at that point, I'm
Speaker 3: just like, man, you know what, this is not for me.
Speaker 1: You thought the marriage was at that point.
Speaker 3: So you've basically just your your image and your career
Speaker 3: is more important than what's going on right here. But
Speaker 3: remember you known me and all of this before, because
Speaker 3: remember we got on the show together. It's not like
Speaker 3: you got on the show then brought me on the show. No,
Speaker 3: collectively we made this. Yeah, you had the segue, you know,
Speaker 3: getting us on the show, but at the same time,
Speaker 3: it was collective effort. And I've been there from day one,
Speaker 3: day at the camera's roll, even on the interview day
Speaker 3: one at the office. So I just felt like you
Speaker 3: just started to just really turn and I really saw that.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you when I really really seen that
Speaker 3: is and I'm glad this happened.
Speaker 1: Was when.
Speaker 3: And nothing about like Sharene and my brother and everyone
Speaker 3: he was a support to. Michael was a big support.
Speaker 3: But when you got a person who takes you to
Speaker 3: prison to self surrender and that rids with you the
Speaker 3: whole time and it never waves every phone call, every visit,
Speaker 3: I mean from Kentucky to Jersey, you know, being in
Speaker 3: Atlanta and then being away from their child at the time,
Speaker 3: that goes a long way, you know, because they have
Speaker 3: obligations too, But then they're still committed as a friend.
Speaker 3: They're committed to their friend. And you got people out
Speaker 3: there that just like that, you know. When I came back,
Speaker 3: Oh and a matter of fact, and the same person
Speaker 3: that picks you up when it's time to go home,
Speaker 3: you know, So it goes a long way. But that
Speaker 3: day that I came to the house, the very last
Speaker 3: time that I was filmed on Bravo prior to me
Speaker 3: coming back, there was a Caucasian guy at the house.
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's a pr I don't know
Speaker 3: who he is. I don't know what someone's you know,
Speaker 3: put in this gentleman's head. This guy thought that somehow
Speaker 3: either Faser made me or that house belonged to her,
Speaker 3: that I'm just I don't know what he's conjured in
Speaker 3: his head, that I'm just some bum, that I don't
Speaker 3: have nothing. I don't know what he thought, but literally,
Speaker 3: this man tells her. He tells me to get out
Speaker 3: of my house. He tells me to get.
Speaker 1: Out number one.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's definitely not gonna happen, right, and then he
Speaker 3: tells her that this is not good for your career.
Speaker 3: You need to leave him. This is what this guy
Speaker 3: is saying right in my four yer, right there at
Speaker 3: the house jet in bucket. So you know, I got
Speaker 3: really aggressive, not really aggressive, but like verbally verbal with
Speaker 3: the guy, A stern, not aggressive stern. I said, listen,
Speaker 3: you know it's probably how about you get out of
Speaker 3: my house? How about you get out? You know, I
Speaker 3: don't I don't need your services or whatever whatever was said.
Speaker 3: And at that point it just clicked. I said, you
Speaker 3: know what, someone's been really putting things in your head,
Speaker 3: you know, because this doesn't really depict who you are,
Speaker 3: who I known you to be a long time ago.
Speaker 1: This is not the same person, but you.
Speaker 2: Said, it's not the same lawyer woman you met when
Speaker 2: you got out of jail and who accused herself from
Speaker 2: the case, who said to you, I'll be with you,
Speaker 2: but it's gonna be serious, dropped her engagement to be
Speaker 2: with you, stuck by.
Speaker 1: You, to introduce you to this world.
Speaker 2: You felt that same woman wasn't having your back because
Speaker 2: so you felt, listen, you felt disappointed. I'm assuming, and
Speaker 2: you felt.
Speaker 1: Abandoned, abandoned, and betrayed. Man, you felt abandoned and betrayed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean because look everything that I had, I shared, everything,
Speaker 3: everything I had I shared. I put everything that I
Speaker 3: could possibly do into whatever. And then here it is.
Speaker 1: We fall on some hard times and you just pun
Speaker 1: shoot the other way. That's not how That's not what
Speaker 1: love is about. That's not what friendship is about. You
Speaker 1: don't just run the opposite direction just because the pope.
Speaker 1: Do you know, and you talk about things that's relatable,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Things have happened to people.
Speaker 3: It seems like TV tears people apart when it shouldn't.
Speaker 3: You're supposed to be strong enough to know that, Hey,
Speaker 3: look we're going through some shit right now.
Speaker 1: We need to fight through it. Let's figure it out.
Speaker 1: I'm here. There's no way that I can't see my
Speaker 1: kids for five some years. But the fact that says
Speaker 1: we're going to pay you to go up to the
Speaker 1: jail that's the only time I get to see my
Speaker 1: kids because you was compensated financially. That's wild, man, that's wild.
Speaker 1: So when you.
Speaker 2: Okay, so going back a little bit, when you saw
Speaker 2: those text messages between Phaedeor and Mitchell chocolate were you
Speaker 2: did you already meet Sharene or did you meet her
Speaker 2: after that?
Speaker 3: I think I think I already met her. I think
Speaker 3: so because the chalklate thing. So yeah, because the chocolate
Speaker 3: thing came. Probably, I want to say, after the new year,
Speaker 3: going into fourteen, I think so.
Speaker 2: So was it sort of like you two were mentally
Speaker 2: checked out of the marriage. She's supposed you know, she's
Speaker 2: texting another man. You're sleeping on another woman's couch.
Speaker 1: Now, I wasn't sleeping on the couch, not laying on
Speaker 1: I laid on the couch.
Speaker 2: So would it be fair to say that you two
Speaker 2: were mentally checked out around the same time for whatever reason?
Speaker 3: Hey, I think if people are mentally checked out, it
Speaker 3: should be a discussion.
Speaker 2: Did did Fedra know that that was your girlfriend?
Speaker 3: It don't matter because we're not even talking. She's not
Speaker 3: coming to see me, she's not supportive. I'm paid for
Speaker 3: my own phone calls to call my kids. You don't
Speaker 3: put money on my books. She don't send me a
Speaker 3: dime in jail, So what does it matter?
Speaker 1: All I asked her was one thing I said, don't
Speaker 1: not because we're not getting a divorce. Let's get this
Speaker 1: clear for everybody. The divorce was was was imminent, Okay,
Speaker 1: it was. Don't get a divorce while I'm in prison.
Speaker 3: Why because I want to sit down with our kids
Speaker 3: and let them know that we're at the impast Both
Speaker 3: parents love them equally. This is just what people go through,
Speaker 3: like just cultivating the children so they're not exposed to
Speaker 3: just oh, your mom and dad's not together no more,
Speaker 3: and whatever's in the media. Let's just ease them into
Speaker 3: what's going on a better understanding, because the way it
Speaker 3: is nowadays, husbands and wives they just break up and
Speaker 3: the kids are just left out there in the cold.
Speaker 3: They have no understanding. The parents are selfish. All I
Speaker 3: cared about is just allow my children to see it
Speaker 3: from a different perspective. Look, you got two houses, now,
Speaker 3: hey you got you know I'm gonna find somebody. She's
Speaker 3: gonna find somebody. This happens in life, not just leave
Speaker 3: it up to their own understanding, which that's what happened.
Speaker 3: And so Aida and nine. When I first came home,
Speaker 3: oh man, we just butt heads. He gave it to
Speaker 3: me like he put it on me. Thick you know
Speaker 3: we was a skis on it.
Speaker 1: He just basically just let me have it and then.
Speaker 1: But just like you, weren't different because he's oh man,
Speaker 1: he just had his own perception. You abandoned me and
Speaker 1: my mom. You wasn't there for me. How could you
Speaker 1: do this? How did you leave us like that?
Speaker 3: Why you know that wasn't the plan, buddy. You you
Speaker 3: put me in a different You put me in a
Speaker 3: whole nother situation if you would have been a little supportive.
Speaker 3: How many times did you tell my son or my
Speaker 3: sons that I loved him, are daddy Daddy loves you guys,
Speaker 3: and you know he'll be home soon? Or just how
Speaker 3: many times did you I guarantee you probably none, probably nothing.
Speaker 3: But these things helped they go along ways, you know.
Speaker 3: So when I say that, you know, uh checked out
Speaker 3: and all that stuff, I just could kind of see
Speaker 3: a lot of things coming beforehand.
Speaker 1: But when you show your true colors, your hand is exposed.
Speaker 3: So regardless of what I did once I went away,
Speaker 3: you were showing me already that you don't care. And
Speaker 3: you know the thing about it was, once I left Kentucky,
Speaker 3: I asked her, I said, hey, all I want to
Speaker 3: do is see my key.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 3: I'll pay for the flight, I'll have my brother to
Speaker 3: fly with them, I'll pay for a hotel, I'll pay
Speaker 3: for you to come. Whatever I needed to do.
Speaker 1: I needed you, guy. I needed to.
Speaker 3: See my kids. Because what that does, It gives me strength.
Speaker 3: It allows me to still keep fighting, to keep going.
Speaker 3: You know, That's all I wanted, and I couldn't get it,
Speaker 3: so I had to find.
Speaker 1: It from somewhere else.
Speaker 3: I had to dig from within and keep asking God
Speaker 3: just to like allow me to prevail and just give
Speaker 3: me that strength to keep going on.
Speaker 1: So then that's why I would call.
Speaker 3: We would have you know, I would always I would
Speaker 3: always write send them cards. I'd put chocolate in the
Speaker 3: cards and send it to them. I'll do whatever I
Speaker 3: could just to let them know that I loved them.
Speaker 3: And if my mom would get them, then at least
Speaker 3: she would say always try to tell him.
Speaker 1: Hey, you know your daddy loves you. Blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: That's all.
Speaker 3: But once I saw that, you know, it was pretty
Speaker 3: much she didn't care.
Speaker 1: So I was like, all right, cool, let's move on,
Speaker 1: move on, let's move on.
Speaker 2: So you moved on one of the things that happened
Speaker 2: that season two was you had your bikes and some
Speaker 2: belongings and Candy and Tod's garage, and then Phaeder found
Speaker 2: out and no, no, no, she's a nine nine Season nine,
Speaker 2: it was uncovered that your some of your belongings were
Speaker 2: in the garage, and that became a bonus contention between
Speaker 2: Phadri and Candy because Todd felt like, you know, he's
Speaker 2: my boy, I'm a lagat for him. But then you
Speaker 2: and Todd had a falling out doing this soon thereafter.
Speaker 2: What happened with this falling out that you and Todd
Speaker 2: had to the point you two almost gone to a
Speaker 2: physical fight at a at a club.
Speaker 3: Okay, this is the I tried to speak on this
Speaker 3: topic before, right with.
Speaker 1: With I think, uh, somebody, it's on another another podcast.
Speaker 3: This was in twenty nineteen, and for everybody out there again,
Speaker 3: you know, hopefully you know Candy and Todd, someone can
Speaker 3: listen and understand where I'm coming from.
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll start with this back in and go back
Speaker 1: go to the front. As a friend. If you give
Speaker 1: me your watch to hold that expensive rolex that you
Speaker 1: have right well, then Apaulo, don't look they'll call me out.
Speaker 3: Now, go ahead, and you tell me, and you tell
Speaker 3: me to hold your watch for you, uh, and you're
Speaker 3: gonna come back and get it later on. And as
Speaker 3: a friend, I take your watch, and then the duration
Speaker 3: of you being gone to come back and get your
Speaker 3: belongings that belong to you, and I agree to hold
Speaker 3: your watch. We're face level now, really simplistic. Nobody should
Speaker 3: get lost in this conversation. And I misappropriate your things,
Speaker 3: whether someone steals it, whether I lose it, whether I'm
Speaker 3: moving and I break it, whatever happens.
Speaker 1: If I misappropriate your stuff, your watch, and you return
Speaker 1: to get your stuff and it's not there. Out of
Speaker 1: respect for you as a person, I owe you an
Speaker 1: explanation as to what happened. What happened? Yeah, here we go.
Speaker 3: I found out about my stuff being misappropriated on TV
Speaker 3: sitting in jail.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm in jail watching it on TV.
Speaker 3: And hence I get calls from my attorney not to
Speaker 3: call email from my attorney because you got like the
Speaker 3: core link system there saying you need to call me asap.
Speaker 3: And I find out about all this that now there's
Speaker 3: a seizure that I lied on my deposition on my
Speaker 3: because my case was too it was the criminal side,
Speaker 3: and then it was a.
Speaker 1: Forfeiture asset forfeiture and all that stuff. So all this
Speaker 1: starts unraveling. I'm like, what the fuck, what's going on? Okay?
Speaker 3: When I came home, Todd and I spoke on the phone,
Speaker 3: Todd would put money on my books at time. Okay,
Speaker 3: Todd would speak to my brother. Todd would, I think,
Speaker 3: email me sometimes when he's not busy. I would get
Speaker 3: this his emails. Nothing, nothing about that. When I came home,
Speaker 3: there was nothing about what happened. Hey, man, let me
Speaker 3: pull you to the side. Man, this is what happened.
Speaker 1: I just want to save my face or my wife whatever.
Speaker 1: Whatever happened. You never told me. Okay, you left it
Speaker 1: up for speculation, and speculation can drive a motherfucker crazy.
Speaker 1: So when you came home, was your stuff damage or
Speaker 1: was it gone? Yeah, the fans took it. The fads
Speaker 1: went to Canata's house and took the blog. Now we're
Speaker 1: going to go to the front. Okay, that's my stand
Speaker 1: on it.
Speaker 3: You at least owe me. I've never asked you for
Speaker 3: no money. I don't ask you to replace it. I
Speaker 3: didn't ask for none of that, never have I. I
Speaker 3: don't care about it. It's gone, okay. Yeah, I could
Speaker 3: be one of those people say, oh, you owe me
Speaker 3: some I don't care. It's not about the money. It's
Speaker 3: about the principle of saying, hey man, you gave me
Speaker 3: your stuff to hold, and somehow down the line that
Speaker 3: shit ain't there when you return. It's not that's just
Speaker 3: it's black and white. It's not there. Whatever happened in
Speaker 3: between there, I still deserve. I don't need to ask
Speaker 3: Phager what happened. I didn't give it to Phagor. I
Speaker 3: gave it to you and your wife.
Speaker 1: That's it. What happened.
Speaker 3: Now, whether I agree or don't agree, at least out
Speaker 3: of respect for an individual, you let them know what happened. Dude,
Speaker 3: I get your watch, and you come back to get
Speaker 3: your watch, and I.
Speaker 1: Just I don't hear you what I don't. I'm not
Speaker 1: even replying to what you're saying. And you might be
Speaker 1: a little what does that do?
Speaker 3: That's gonna fuel a little a little animosity, right, It's
Speaker 3: gonna make you feel a certain way. It's gonna make
Speaker 3: you feel like you're chumped off, Like I just really
Speaker 3: disrespected you. So that's on one token. You gotta take
Speaker 3: all that into consideration. So on the front end, it
Speaker 3: was more so like, look, I have these things off
Speaker 3: the record. I go over there because we were friends,
Speaker 3: I considered. So I met Todd under these other circumstances.
Speaker 3: I met Todd through his birthday party. There was some
Speaker 3: things that transpired. I won't even get into all that.
Speaker 3: He knows the real I was a genuine person. He
Speaker 3: was supposed to be a genuine person. I met Candy
Speaker 3: a while back. She seemed to be really cool. I
Speaker 3: thought everybody was cool. We were all good. You have
Speaker 3: this big house, you has multiple you have a lot
Speaker 3: of space. You're not utilizing that stuff right now. This
Speaker 3: is my thought. I said, hey, look they have another friend, Greg.
Speaker 3: Shout out to Greg. Greg's a real one. Definitely, definitely, definitely.
Speaker 3: But when I went over there, I just said, hey,
Speaker 3: look you at the house. Like, yeah, I'm at the house.
Speaker 3: I pull up, talk to him. Candy's inside getting a
Speaker 3: makeup done or whatever. I said, Yo, listen, I need
Speaker 3: you to run this by Candy. But this is what's
Speaker 3: going on with me. I mentioned him about I think
Speaker 3: I mentioned the whole mister chocolate situation.
Speaker 1: To him, he was like, damn you for real?
Speaker 3: Nod and then he I was like, looking, you go
Speaker 3: get Candy said, well, she's doing a makeup or whatever.
Speaker 1: I said, I don't think she in mind? Like, can
Speaker 1: you tell her to come out? Cool? Excuse me that
Speaker 1: little side door right there when you go up their driveway,
Speaker 1: she comes out the little side door right there, say yoh,
Speaker 1: what's up?
Speaker 3: I was like, look, man, this is what's going on.
Speaker 3: I want to talk to y'all together and let you know.
Speaker 3: You know, I appreciate everything y'all done for me over
Speaker 3: the years. You know, it's been a good one. But
Speaker 3: this is my first time letting them people know. It
Speaker 3: hasn't even hit yet that the Secret Service came and
Speaker 3: I could potentially be going away. Okay, nobody knows but me,
Speaker 3: my family, scharene in them, and my attorney. I haven't
Speaker 3: even told Bravo nothing yet. So I go to him.
Speaker 3: I said, look, this is what's going on. Can I
Speaker 3: put my stuff over here? How do y'all feel about that?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 3: When are you coming back? I said, well, I don't know.
Speaker 3: It could be you know, five six years. I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: Okay, cool, no problem, I said, look, just hold my
Speaker 1: stuff down. Here goes.
Speaker 3: I'm bring it up. When you're gonna bring it, I said,
Speaker 3: I'll bring it in a couple of days. Okay, just
Speaker 3: let us know it's safe here. You know it's cool
Speaker 3: with us, no problem. Took my stuff over there, left
Speaker 3: the keys, left my stuff.
Speaker 1: Here, you go. Well, it's supposed to be quiet as kept.
Speaker 3: Candy shouldn't go on Andy Cohen talking about my stuff
Speaker 3: being in their garage. This is a federal case, man,
Speaker 3: This potentially almost cost me five more years for perjury
Speaker 3: lying under oath. Okay, it's not a joke.
Speaker 1: I didn't.
Speaker 3: It might seem like a good storyline, but but you're
Speaker 3: dealing with someone's freedom, So then I take that into
Speaker 3: consideration too.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 3: I give you a pass, you know, because you don't
Speaker 3: really understand the judicial system and you don't know how
Speaker 3: these things work, and it seems like it's all fun
Speaker 3: and games, right because you guys are on the outside.
Speaker 3: But I'm literally in federal custody and I'm dealing with
Speaker 3: a situation here. And I came because I came to
Speaker 3: you because I felt like I trusted you. So you
Speaker 3: see how this is going now and you see where
Speaker 3: where here it is. I'm in the middle and why
Speaker 3: I feel the way I feel, and everybody has a story.
Speaker 1: We're not got to the point of how did or
Speaker 1: why did? We haven't got to that part yet about
Speaker 1: the misappropriation. It's still about the emotional and what's black
Speaker 1: and white? So here at that point, I leave my
Speaker 1: stuff there and then you know, Candy does her interview
Speaker 1: with Andy Cohen, you know, speaking about our relationship and
Speaker 1: how maybe it slipped out. I don't know, guess what,
Speaker 1: but it's out there. Okay.
Speaker 3: Then next thing you know, people are filming my stuff
Speaker 3: at their house. Why would you think because I'm hot
Speaker 3: at the time, the storyline's hot, me going to prison,
Speaker 3: all that's hot, it's popping, it's everywhere. That was a
Speaker 3: big moment for Bravo at the time on that show.
Speaker 3: What would make you think that it's okay to do it?
Speaker 3: What's to do?
Speaker 1: An episode? So about my stuff in your garage? What's
Speaker 1: the point? And you're watching this while you're in prison. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm watching this while I'm in prison, and you're just like, yes,
Speaker 1: got it, Yes, all hell's about the break loose now? Yeah, yep,
Speaker 1: all hell's about the break loose.
Speaker 3: So so at that point there was already so this
Speaker 3: is the thing, no explanation, nothing. So Todd was telling
Speaker 3: me and you mentioned about like altercation and all this stuff.
Speaker 1: Right, So I did an interview and basically that was
Speaker 1: taking out of context too. You know, it was COVID.
Speaker 3: You know, everybody's at their house, drinking, having a good
Speaker 3: time whatever. You're just making the best of it. So
Speaker 3: me and Peter were doing an interview and it was
Speaker 3: more so like, well, how's your relationship with Candy and Todd?
Speaker 1: Just go look at the interview.
Speaker 3: The first thing that I said, I always give them
Speaker 3: their problems, I said, I I appreciate them as people.
Speaker 1: I still say it to this day. You know, I
Speaker 1: commend them on all their accolades and their achievements. I'm
Speaker 1: glad that you know.
Speaker 3: I'm very happy for their success and everything. I'll continue
Speaker 3: to say that. That never changes. Right, But I said,
Speaker 3: this is what I said. I said, Oh but okay,
Speaker 3: Feds come on over and take Apollo stuff. It's right
Speaker 3: here in my garage, y'all can have it. You know,
Speaker 3: I made that joke, right, And I said, you know,
Speaker 3: and then it kind of stemmed off and I think
Speaker 3: it was like what I said, Yeah, they fucking just
Speaker 3: told the police where my stuff was at? Right, not
Speaker 3: not discrediting the fact that did Fader put the segue
Speaker 3: and put it all out there. Faser never came out
Speaker 3: her mouth. This is what I could say. You could
Speaker 3: say it was fake FasR Faser, Fager right did it.
Speaker 3: Let's just say the stuff's at your house. Faser wasn't
Speaker 3: filming with you. Faeder wasn't at your house filming with you. Okay,
Speaker 3: that wasn't fag your's story.
Speaker 1: But if you're saying that no one made you film
Speaker 1: that episode, let's just say she We don't know. You
Speaker 1: can say all day long that part of this was
Speaker 1: because you know, Fader put it out there and they
Speaker 1: were talking about it, and this that and the third
Speaker 1: talk is talk if you would have never filmed it,
Speaker 1: per se, we don't know what the outcome could have
Speaker 1: been if you're verbalizing it on TV that my stuff
Speaker 1: is at your house or whatever. We just look at
Speaker 1: the timelines. But let's just say, let's just say that.
Speaker 3: Fader and Candy were talking about it, and they were
Speaker 3: filming them just talking about having lunch or something.
Speaker 1: Right, that's one thing.
Speaker 3: But the feds didn't come to their house based on
Speaker 3: a conversation. The feds came to the house based on
Speaker 3: actually evidence showing that these items were there. That's how
Speaker 3: they came to the house. You see, there's a difference.
Speaker 1: And then if you wouldn't have filmed that over here,
Speaker 1: the mere conversation that y'all had at dinner per se,
Speaker 1: we don't know what would have happened, But both things happened.
Speaker 3: The conversation, well, the Andy Cohen situation, perhaps the conversation
Speaker 3: that they're saying happened with Candy and Fhaser.
Speaker 1: And then here it is the filming of the items.
Speaker 1: So a lot of shit is in the mix here
Speaker 1: that here it is. But I'm in prison being puppeted.
Speaker 1: I'm the puppet, right, and someone just pulling my strings. Right,
Speaker 1: So when I made that statement, it was more so
Speaker 1: like dude, like, have a little bit of respect for me, man,
Speaker 1: like talk to me about it. What happened? Because I
Speaker 1: need answers too. Was it you guys? I get it.
Speaker 3: Did you make a mistake you didn't understand the magnitude
Speaker 3: of what was going on?
Speaker 1: I get it. Cool or was it phasier.
Speaker 3: Well that's a whole other situation, because that's real slimy,
Speaker 3: that's real snakish, you know what I'm saying. So that's
Speaker 3: a little that's something else I need to figure out. Now,
Speaker 3: Is this what's really going on?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: So there's so many things and so many layers that
Speaker 3: need to be peeled back that I never got answers to.
Speaker 3: So all I was seeking was closure, and people took
Speaker 3: me seeking closure as trying to slander somebody or put
Speaker 3: someone under the bus, and that wasn't the case. And
Speaker 3: then so when we when I seemed todd out and
Speaker 3: the little situation happened, it was more so like dude,
Speaker 3: are you gonna.
Speaker 1: Talk to me?
Speaker 2: So'll y'all out and you see each other? Do you
Speaker 2: go up to him first he comes up to you.
Speaker 3: I go up to him, but not in any type
Speaker 3: of you know, I wasn't being aggressive or anything like that.
Speaker 1: I just went up to him and was.
Speaker 3: Like, first he had like his entourage there and I
Speaker 3: couldn't really get to Finally, man, I walk up to him.
Speaker 3: He's at the bar, and I'm like, look, man, when
Speaker 3: are we gonna talk? When are we gonna sit down
Speaker 3: like men and talk, and then it just kind of
Speaker 3: goes left field, and the next thing you know, he
Speaker 3: says something to Peter, and then you know, Peter says
Speaker 3: something to him, and then Peter has my back and saying,
Speaker 3: you know, he's a grown man. I'm gonna ride with him,
Speaker 3: a ride with Apollo. He's entitled to say whatever he
Speaker 3: wants to say. He feels a certain way, and however
Speaker 3: he feels, he's entitled to feel that way.
Speaker 1: Right, So it took. It was a while, man.
Speaker 3: Then I seen most recently. It was a couple months back,
Speaker 3: maybe right after.
Speaker 1: The New Year.
Speaker 3: Or no, sorry, maybe right before the New year, right
Speaker 3: after Christmas somewhere at that time. I see Todd at
Speaker 3: one of the establishments here in Atlanta, and I didn't
Speaker 3: know he was there, so I was in one spot.
Speaker 1: He comes.
Speaker 3: I'm going through the restroom. He's running upstairs. How about
Speaker 3: him and Peter? Something was going on downstairs. But come
Speaker 3: to find out, they were trying to squash everything. Let
Speaker 3: bygones be bygones. They agreed to put it behind them.
Speaker 3: Todd sees me and he's like, look, man, come downstairs,
Speaker 3: let's all talk.
Speaker 1: By that time Peter was gone, well, he really wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna He went upstairs to the third floor. Todd said,
Speaker 1: they're getting ready to close.
Speaker 3: The owner was there. I was like, look, we're just
Speaker 3: gonna stay here and chill and talk for a minute.
Speaker 1: So we talked.
Speaker 3: Todd somewhat understood where I was coming from. He was
Speaker 3: saying that, you know, he felt like it was coming
Speaker 3: from a different direction. And then he was just saying
Speaker 3: that he was a little apologetic that he wished that
Speaker 3: he would have had better devised a plan for when
Speaker 3: I came home. He wished that he would have been
Speaker 3: in a position to better assist me, not necessarily a
Speaker 3: financial position, but at least, you know, put different things
Speaker 3: in motion or what. And he just said that, you know,
Speaker 3: as a friend, he said, he genuinely was my friend,
Speaker 3: and you know, the friendship.
Speaker 1: You know, it's sad that it happened the way it happened.
Speaker 3: And again I was just trying to convey to him,
Speaker 3: but we were drinking at the same time, and I said, listen,
Speaker 3: I don't have no problem with you. I had no
Speaker 3: problem with you. I never had a problem with you.
Speaker 3: I have a problem with the circumstances with how everything well.
Speaker 3: I did have a problem with you, but it was
Speaker 3: more so based on the circums sensus and how everything unfolded.
Speaker 3: Then I saw him again after that, we chilled party together,
Speaker 3: We spoke on the phone.
Speaker 1: We were supposed to get together.
Speaker 3: I think there was some premiere something happened and we
Speaker 3: were supposed to get together.
Speaker 1: We didn't. I miss that. And then I saw him
Speaker 1: a couple weeks later and it was his daughter. They
Speaker 1: were all out.
Speaker 3: We were at the same spot and we partied ahead
Speaker 3: of the time.
Speaker 1: So we guys are good. It were good. We were
Speaker 1: don't sure.
Speaker 3: We don't chill to talk, you know, regularly, like we
Speaker 3: probably should try to, but still there's no closure.
Speaker 1: I don't but at this point I'm just like, you know,
Speaker 1: what fuck it? You know? At this point, if that's
Speaker 1: how it's going to be, I don't really know. But
Speaker 1: the meat of it is, like I said, you.
Speaker 2: Just wanted to know what happened, man, and even giving
Speaker 2: a heads up. So you've been in the news lately.
Speaker 2: There's been some text messages released. Obviously you and Sharine
Speaker 2: are married. There were text messages revealed that you are
Speaker 2: alleged or we're allegedly cheating on your wife with another woman.
Speaker 2: Some text messages revealed some things of I love you,
Speaker 2: I'm on my way to see you. This woman's talking
Speaker 2: about the perfume and she's wearing. There's a ring camera
Speaker 2: apollo of you at this woman's house.
Speaker 1: Are you cheating on Charene? Are you? It looks bad?
Speaker 1: It looks really bad. Is that you in the video?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's me in the video. It looks really bad. Well, first,
Speaker 3: I want to say, you know, I'm very apologetic. I'm
Speaker 3: very remorseful for what happened and the pain that I've caused,
Speaker 3: you know, my family, or the humility more so that
Speaker 3: I've caused my family and.
Speaker 1: That I call Charene. I know she's heartbroken, devastated by
Speaker 1: you know, what's happened. She's definitely scarred. I know that.
Speaker 3: But again it's like and just being candid. You know,
Speaker 3: every relationship goes through things, you know, people go through that.
Speaker 3: From an emotional standpoint, I just feel like there's no excuse.
Speaker 3: I'm not making an excuse.
Speaker 1: For what I did. What I did was wrong, allowing
Speaker 1: another woman that opportunity to I didn't cheat number one sex.
Speaker 1: I didn't have sex with the woman.
Speaker 3: No, because some people consider emotional ties cheating, you know,
Speaker 3: being emotional with someone. Some women have said, I prefer
Speaker 3: you to be to sleep with a woman, whether than
Speaker 3: telling our love her, or you're emotionally invested, you know.
Speaker 3: So I get that. You know it was wrong, So
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to, you know, make light of any
Speaker 3: of it. But no, I wasn't sleeping with the female.
Speaker 3: We never slept together. It was like this, I was
Speaker 3: going through a little situation on the home front. You know,
Speaker 3: maybe I could have did a better based on my
Speaker 3: experience and what's going on. I probably we both probably
Speaker 3: could have did a better job at or me per
Speaker 3: se do a better job at letting Sharen know, like, look,
Speaker 3: this is how I feel, this is what's going on.
Speaker 3: I think that right now where I'm at in my life,
Speaker 3: we might need to cultivate something here because you know,
Speaker 3: I'm feeling a different a certain way. So me and
Speaker 3: this individual we met probably like a year and a
Speaker 3: half ago, like met for the first time, but we
Speaker 3: didn't exchange information or nothing like that.
Speaker 1: It wasn't until maybe June of twenty three or July
Speaker 1: of twenty three that we met again. Exchanged phone numbers
Speaker 1: at time, and we've been talking ever since. Right. So,
Speaker 1: there was a situation at a rose where Serene saw
Speaker 1: the messages in my phone, not those messages, but like messages.
Speaker 1: She was mad. It's like, oh, you're dealing with this female.
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I'm not really dealing with her like that.
Speaker 1: You know. Cool, We try to cut it off again.
Speaker 3: That was kind of easier said than done. Kept talking,
Speaker 3: kept doing flirting thing, kept talking. It was like, listen,
Speaker 3: she knows I'm married. She's dealing with her. Situation was
Speaker 3: like okay, but we just kept talking, really confiding each other.
Speaker 1: We got really close, you know.
Speaker 3: Then it came to like you might tell your friends
Speaker 3: you love them, or you tell your friends you miss them.
Speaker 3: There was things those messages that are not true, like
Speaker 3: the perfume. I never bought her any perfume for no Christmas.
Speaker 3: I didn't do that. When I said something about the baby,
Speaker 3: the baby, if you look at the under the text message,
Speaker 3: she says Happy New Year, Happy New Year, always going
Speaker 3: to Then she said it's gonna be a great twenty four.
Speaker 3: I said, yeah, it's gonna be great. You're gonna have
Speaker 3: a baby, lol. And I said, I can see your
Speaker 3: face right now, I'm dying laughing because she doesn't want
Speaker 3: any more kids and talks about how sometimes you know
Speaker 3: you want to wait till you have children and have
Speaker 3: everything in place. Blah blah blah. I was just a joke,
Speaker 3: but it says that. It says, lol, I can see
Speaker 3: your face right now, I'm dying laughing. This is me
Speaker 3: saying that or whatever, again, not making light of it.
Speaker 1: How did it get leaked? And the first get to
Speaker 1: that point, I'm sorry, yeah, so yeah, so.
Speaker 3: Again, you know, confiding in one another, and so it
Speaker 3: got to the point where was like, hey, you want
Speaker 3: to come over? So yeah, sure, I came over. When
Speaker 3: I came over, If you look in the video, there's
Speaker 3: no hugs or kisses in the video. Yo, it's me
Speaker 3: moving her out the way I sit on the thing. Now,
Speaker 3: that's an appropriate You shouldn't bet another woman's house married.
Speaker 3: I have my feet up on the on the coffee table,
Speaker 3: the sofa as if I'm comfortable.
Speaker 1: She puts her head in my lap. Not cool.
Speaker 3: Let's just say outside of that, Let's just say if
Speaker 3: we were friends and there was no text messages, are
Speaker 3: friends not allowed to interact? Like that, not making excuses,
Speaker 3: but I'm just saying.
Speaker 2: I know, but it sounds like you love a comfy
Speaker 2: couch from yes. No, but it's uh, it's definitely was inappropriate.
Speaker 2: So so now I feel like I got.
Speaker 1: Caught up in a crossfire because she gets back with
Speaker 1: her guy. She's deal now, mind you.
Speaker 3: We decided at the last text message that you see,
Speaker 3: we decided to cut it off and say, listen, let's
Speaker 3: just quit. Okay, you got your situation going on. I
Speaker 3: need to work on my situation. We blocked each other.
Speaker 3: She blocked me, I blocked her. There's no way we
Speaker 3: can contact each other.
Speaker 1: That was the plan. It's like a little bit in January.
Speaker 3: So, come to find out, her guy suspects her dealing
Speaker 3: with someone else. He takes her phone. He knows her code. Listen,
Speaker 3: he takes her phone. This is another person taking the phone, right,
Speaker 3: he takes her phone. It sounds weird, But when he
Speaker 3: takes her phone, he's gone for twenty four hours, and
Speaker 3: he goes through the phone and sees the messages between
Speaker 3: her and I. He confronts her about dealing with a
Speaker 3: married man, and she says, no, I'm not dealing with him.
Speaker 1: We're just friends.
Speaker 3: So when I said, like, I'm coming over, I'm at
Speaker 3: the door or something, he takes those dates and cuts
Speaker 3: in the ring camera and goes through her ring camera
Speaker 3: because he has her phone. And then he recorded all
Speaker 3: that stuff and he found a media outlet and he
Speaker 3: leaked it to the media. That's how it got out there.
Speaker 3: It wasn't her, she didn't leak it. And how I
Speaker 3: found this out. You know how you have so if
Speaker 3: you have another media outlet that wants to run a
Speaker 3: story and so forth. Just being in this business, some
Speaker 3: of these people are kind of respectful. They might your
Speaker 3: heads up. So I got a heads up by one
Speaker 3: of them, and I was just like, well, well, we're
Speaker 3: going to see if this is uh, what's the validity
Speaker 3: behind all this?
Speaker 1: Will come to find out when the guy leaked the thing.
Speaker 3: They actually did a small interview with the guy based
Speaker 3: on like, well, how.
Speaker 1: Did you get this? You know, where did this come from?
Speaker 1: Did an interview? Well, not necessarily interview, I guess they
Speaker 1: they took notes as to how, oh like you said
Speaker 1: to to to see the validity.
Speaker 3: So he basically yeah, he basically said you know that.
Speaker 3: You know, he took her phone guys do this now. Man,
Speaker 3: it's some real girly stuff man that these men do. Man,
Speaker 3: it's wild. That's wild.
Speaker 1: That's wild. And how it's smaing today? She's not well?
Speaker 1: Are you two still together? You? We're still together, living together.
Speaker 3: We still live together. It's a little it's rough, not
Speaker 3: a little rough, it's rough. Yeah, it's rough.
Speaker 2: But how do you feel when people say, whatever, Scharene,
Speaker 2: you you, that's how you got them, that's what you're
Speaker 2: gonna lose them.
Speaker 1: But that's not true.
Speaker 3: A lot of people feel like, you know, yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: because people don't know the story.
Speaker 1: They think that just okay.
Speaker 3: So if, for example, if you're married on paper and
Speaker 3: you're gonna get a divorce.
Speaker 1: You could be with a situation like let's just take
Speaker 1: you know, Charene's system.
Speaker 5: Matter of fact, Sharen was married, right, she didn't finalize
Speaker 5: her divorce until maybe twenty sixteen, twenty fifteen. Shit happens, right,
Speaker 5: some people just don't want to sign, or some people
Speaker 5: are indecisive or whatever. Right, but it wasn't finalized until later.
Speaker 3: You you don't realize, well, people don't realize that, you know,
Speaker 3: Phager and I continue to stay together, right, but no
Speaker 3: one broke up a happy home. The home wasn't happy, right, Okay,
Speaker 3: it was already on that on the outs. And if
Speaker 3: you get to that point where there's like an impasse
Speaker 3: and you just decided to go your separate way, it's
Speaker 3: your business. But see, you always got the outside speculation.
Speaker 3: Everyone's always going to speculate and come up with their
Speaker 3: own narrative. And what that's for. That's not healthy. What
Speaker 3: they're coming up with a narrative is to create again
Speaker 3: a storyline, to continue to create drama and to impose
Speaker 3: inflict more turmoil on an individual. Because these women read
Speaker 3: that stuff, you know, because she mentioned it before, because
Speaker 3: I know she reads it. You know it's not healthy.
Speaker 3: I don't get into that. I don't like doing that.
Speaker 3: And as you get into this business, the deeper you
Speaker 3: get into the business, you realize that that's not cultivating health,
Speaker 3: a healthy environment for yourself.
Speaker 1: That's not giving you that.
Speaker 3: So I just stay out of that realm of Okay,
Speaker 3: get the stories, ran, I see it.
Speaker 1: I was there, I lived it.
Speaker 3: Cool clearly, sharene should know that based on our relationship
Speaker 3: from the beginning, you know where I was at in
Speaker 3: my headspace. Now, women are very emotional and they say
Speaker 3: the down damn this things.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: I don't know where they I don't know where who
Speaker 3: teaches them these things that they say, But MANI shit cuts.
Speaker 3: And when you look at the pattern, it's like like
Speaker 3: you mentioned okay at a couch thing, right, even though
Speaker 3: we're joking about it, But yeah, there's some similarities there,
Speaker 3: but it's not I'm not saying like, oh, I'm not
Speaker 3: seeking to go run to this woman. I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: let's say, God forbid, if if Sharena and not get
Speaker 3: a divorce, God forbid, I'm not.
Speaker 1: Gonna go be with that woman. Me and this woman.
Speaker 3: When I tell you we stopped talking and we were like,
Speaker 3: we stop talking. There's no thing. There's we're not we
Speaker 3: don't have a thing, you know. And but Sharena in
Speaker 3: her mind she feels like it's a thing. And all
Speaker 3: the time it's going to revert back to you did
Speaker 3: this to me, you did that to me, you know,
Speaker 3: And I'm wrong for that, but it is what it is.
Speaker 1: It happened, and like what do you do?
Speaker 3: You either move forward or it's really simple, you can't
Speaker 3: continue to we can't continue to degrade one another, right,
Speaker 3: demoralize each other, you know, verbally, verbal abuse abuse.
Speaker 1: You're going to do two things on the table, there's
Speaker 1: a line in the middle. You've got divorce.
Speaker 3: Papers or we're going to get our act together. It's
Speaker 3: very simple. You don't want to how you're going to
Speaker 3: work on getting your act together. But then you keep
Speaker 3: throwing all these things out here that are, you know, demeaning.
Speaker 3: No one wants to be demean nobody wants to be emasculated,
Speaker 3: none of that stuff. You know, during these times, you
Speaker 3: need support or you need to figure out, like how
Speaker 3: to make better. You know, the speculation is terrible. And
Speaker 3: you know that's not my first time having little little
Speaker 3: situations happen, So that's what makes it even bad. I
Speaker 3: mean that's the first time it's been publicized. But you
Speaker 3: know I've had little little snippets, little things that's happened
Speaker 3: in my relationship with Sharen.
Speaker 1: That's not not the.
Speaker 2: Best, right, which is why now because it's so public,
Speaker 2: she's yealing with it differently on a different level. Well, look,
Speaker 2: I appreciate you, Apollo. You know you are a very
Speaker 2: private person. Now your business in development and real estate
Speaker 2: is booming. You're really doing doing well you and listen.
Speaker 2: For me, it goes to show you that, listen, you
Speaker 2: are a man who has owned up to his mistakes,
Speaker 2: but it doesn't define.
Speaker 1: You as a person. And the beauty of you is.
Speaker 2: You're able to walk away from a situation, serve your time,
Speaker 2: and not make that the end of your story.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So kudos to you for
Speaker 1: that and for showing.
Speaker 2: People that that doesn't mean you have to stay in
Speaker 2: that position, because you know, there's a lot of people
Speaker 2: who come home they it's hard to be embraced by
Speaker 2: the workforce and society. And obviously you have a lot
Speaker 2: of people supporting you, me being one of them who
Speaker 2: really wants to see you do well.
Speaker 1: And you are doing well.
Speaker 2: I mean you have a little bit how of sneakers,
Speaker 2: my brother, I want to call it my role Lex,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna call out the.
Speaker 1: Sneakers, you know.
Speaker 2: So you're doing very well for yourself. And look, we
Speaker 2: love you, you know, we want to see you back
Speaker 2: on TV. It was great seeing you the Mariative Medicine reunion.
Speaker 2: We want to see more of you.
Speaker 1: I was shining. You were great.
Speaker 2: You all the girls were starstruck, like, yeah, this is
Speaker 2: the Man, the myth, the legend Apollo like the Mary
Speaker 2: Woman was like, ah, pollow, So we want to see
Speaker 2: you back on TV. My last question, would you ever
Speaker 2: do reality TV again?
Speaker 1: Most definitely I would do TV in all aspects.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've had an opportunity to understand the business,
Speaker 3: examine the business, the dudes and don'ts, the ups and downs,
Speaker 3: what it comes with, what it entails, you know. So yeah,
Speaker 3: it's a great platform. It's a great opportunity, and I
Speaker 3: think people should do it. I think they should educate
Speaker 3: themselves and take the educated route with it, and then.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have a better experience. It's almost like, to
Speaker 1: be honest, like maybe a year before I went to prison,
Speaker 1: I really because at first I was like, it's like
Speaker 1: a wave, Like if you're in the ocean, there's no
Speaker 1: way you're gonna be able to beat that thing. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's either you need to ride with it.
Speaker 3: Just get on your little board and go out there
Speaker 3: and wait for the wave to come and just push
Speaker 3: you on it. So I started doing that, taking that approach,
Speaker 3: and men, I really enjoyed it. Like the last couple
Speaker 3: of years I was on TV, I really had a
Speaker 3: great time like I wasn't really it was great.
Speaker 1: You get did you go after food? Go eat? If
Speaker 1: you get you get your hair done, you know, get
Speaker 1: your go, get your hair cut, you know, put your
Speaker 1: nice clothes on, put your put your trip for me,
Speaker 1: go act the idiot and go and go get paid.
Speaker 1: I had a great time.
Speaker 2: Well good, well, well, well do more of it? Yeah,
Speaker 2: do more of it. We miss you on TV. And
Speaker 2: thanks for brother, Thank you, thank you, appreciate you.
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