WEBVTT - Apollo Nida Exclusive 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:01.680 Hey, rain Drops. 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:06.200 Reality with the King podcast is going on tour. Yes, 0:00:06.600 --> 0:00:10.639 I am coming to a city near you, but I'm 0:00:10.680 --> 0:00:11.800 not coming alone. 0:00:12.160 --> 0:00:13.280 I am bringing a. 0:00:13.240 --> 0:00:18.200 Few special guests along with me, starting with Real Housewives 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:23.560 of New Jersey star Teresa Judais on April thirteenth at 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:28.760 the White Eagle Hall in Jersey City, New Jersey. On 0:00:29.000 --> 0:00:34.000 Monday April twenty second, I have Tamar Braxton coming to 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:40.040 Atlanta as City Winery on April twenty fifth. I got 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:44.159 Tamra Judge and Teddy Mellcap from two teas and a 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:47.839 pod podcast who will be in the OC at the 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:53.600 Irvine Improv And for My Love and Marriage DC fans, 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:58.640 I got the ladies Ashley Winter, Rana and Joy coming 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:04.480 to how Word Theater in DC on Sunday May twelfth, 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:09.319 Yes Mother's Day. To get your tickets, make sure to 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:13.679 go on my Instagram page or Twitter and click the 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:18.679 link in my bio. Welco up to Reality with the King. 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:22.760 It's me Carlos Kings, the King of Reality TV and 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:26.560 one of the most sought after executive producers in reality 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:31.000 television with over ten years a production experience. Twice a 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:33.640 week on Reality with the King, We'll sit down with 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:38.080 my friends across the entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:42.120 shows and revisit unforgettable moments that we are still talking 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:48.600 and tweeting about. Ray Drives on today's episode, Reality to 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:51.360 the King, Give it up for the man who will 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:56.440 forever be considered as the hottest husband that Bravo has 0:01:56.560 --> 0:01:57.360 ever seen. 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:02.960 Apollo Night on. Indeed, indeed, indeed, how you been? It's 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:07.040 been years, years years. You look great? You do too, 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:08.160 Thank you, thank you. 0:02:08.639 --> 0:02:12.480 I'm trying to, like, you know, make sure that I 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:16.720 keep the same level of workout ethic that you taught 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:18.840 me while we were working together. 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:21.320 Definitely, you taught me how to work out. It's hard, 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:22.960 but you was looking good. For a minute. 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:24.240 I was like, damn, he's catching up to me. I 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:26.520 gotta wait up another not you said for a minute. 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:28.079 For a minute, did I slip off? You did a 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:36.440 little bit? I got hold up? Look hold on a second. 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:40.440 Follow I definitely think I have been still. 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:40.959 Got your arms? 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:45.160 Yes, okay, well I thought you fell off. Okay, okay, okay, 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:47.680 got you. Yeah, it's cool, it's cool. I thought you 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:50.080 fell off man. No, no, no, okay, it's just the shirt. 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:56.760 It was just the fitted defitted h a sweater, a cardigan. Yeah, yeah, 0:02:56.800 --> 0:02:57.240 it's nice. 0:02:57.240 --> 0:02:59.840 I'm good you approved, yes, because we need to work 0:02:59.840 --> 0:03:01.680 out most definitely. 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:02.520 You know, I don't know. 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:05.320 If you still have the Booty DVDs that you and 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:06.480 Phaeder were doing. 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:08.200 We still have them. You still have them. They're still 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:10.440 in the marketplace. Actually, are you selling them in the 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:11.280 back of your trunk. 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:14.839 No, they're still on Amazon. Actually they are. Yeah, they're 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:18.120 still on Amazon. But I think so I bought out 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:20.600 the distribution and fulfillment a long time ago. 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:22.360 There was issues with that. 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:26.000 It's like, so I think once it once the press 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:29.600 came out that we beat out Kim Kardashian, Billy Blanks, 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:32.640 Bob Harper, Julian Michael Jane Fond, that we had top 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:37.240 sales in the nation and the revenue wasn't really matching 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:40.760 up with the credibility of the accolades that we've accomplished. 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:41.560 So at that. 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:45.920 Time I was like, Okay, well, you get a check 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:48.040 that comes in for I think like forty seven thousand, 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:51.000 right for one month sales. Then it went to somewhere 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:53.760 trickle down to like maybe I think the low within 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:57.320 the four months was like seventy two K. Right, then 0:03:57.320 --> 0:03:59.160 how do you jump from seventy two down to like 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:02.600 twenty four This is like in a six seven month period. 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:05.400 And then I'm like, okay, well something's not right. 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:07.800 So then when you start looking back at the production 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:10.800 and looking back at you know, the company who was 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:13.960 running everything, there was no ledger. We're not seeing any 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:16.680 type of invoices. When I seeing you know, the DVD sold, 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:19.240 all it is ooh you need to have I think 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:22.160 it was twenty five of each twenty five hundred of 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:24.880 each volume, so volume one, volume two, so five thousand 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:28.440 copies in Q at all times per month. Right, And 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:31.400 back then, you know, it wasn't ubiquitous like now as 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:34.320 far as the media and being able to shoot something 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:36.279 for a fraction of the cost. Now, remember when you 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:39.360 came and did the Fine Fine Baby, the. 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:41.680 Prenatal video, right, I remember that. 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:44.280 So when you did the prenatal video, that was a 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:46.480 fraction of the cost of what we spent one hundred 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:49.440 and twenty five K on the freaking production. It's unheard of. 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:51.600 There's no way, you know, but you live and learn, right, 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:56.839 So the low hit to around like eleven K. A 0:04:56.960 --> 0:04:59.560 check came in for eleven thousand. Right, we're still doing 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:01.440 the promotion and we're still doing everything. I'm like, this 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:04.039 is not right, So look, I need to do a 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:05.680 cease and assists. We need to go ahead and just 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:08.159 stop everything. Our attorney at the time was like, listen, 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:11.839 you signed like a note thirty six month contract with them. 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:13.800 I was like, yeah, but there's a clause in there. 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:15.600 You know, if you're unhappy, you you know, we need 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:18.120 to breach this contract. So you know, me back then, 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:19.719 I was a little more rough around the edges. So 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:23.120 I just showed up and paid them a visit at 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:27.960 the studio. You and the guns, yeah, basically, yes, exactly, Yeah, 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:33.160 not those guns. Yeah, yeah, novices. And you know, we 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:34.839 talked about it and they were just telling me, oh, 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:37.560 you know, basically trying to lure me back in, and 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:39.359 stated that you know, it's going to be a difficult 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:39.880 run for you. 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:40.960 You're new in this business. 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:43.120 You're going to get a lot of individuals who are 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:45.800 unhappy with the product, and you know, you got to 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:48.240 really think about the back end as far as support. 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:52.480 The support, but support, dude, you got to email on here. 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:55.440 You know, no one's calling answering the phone, so I 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:56.800 was like, you know what, I don't care. Just give 0:05:56.800 --> 0:05:59.240 me my shit, just give it everything back, ship everything 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:02.080 back to me. So that took a minute. Then I 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:06.040 went to his partner. Bravo was actually shooting that show. 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:08.200 I think it was called Tone It Up with the 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:11.159 Tone It Up Girls, Yeah, the Two Girls or whatnot. 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:13.240 So they were shooting in La So. 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:15.240 I had to go back out there, and then I 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:17.360 popped up on the production out there with the guy, 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:20.080 the partner, I don't want to mention no names or 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:22.960 anything like that, but he was like, listen, okay, cool, 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:25.960 you want out, Cool, we'll send everything back. So once 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:27.600 I got everything back, then next thing you know, the 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:29.480 sales started going back up, and then we're able to 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:32.960 see everything. But the problem is that network. Let's just say, 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:35.320 if you're selling you know, eighty something thousand dollars worth 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:40.560 of product, you still have you still have the individuals 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:43.359 who actually purchased your product, and you could remarket. So 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:47.360 they're taking my market my customers, and they're remarketing other 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:48.880 products to those customers. 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:50.960 So it's like, you know, it was a big shit show. 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:53.919 But anyways, so now, yeah, the product is still in 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:55.720 the marketplace, but the thing is I need to make 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:56.880 it digital now because. 0:06:56.680 --> 0:07:01.000 Nobody does dvs, so go back digit. But I have 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:02.520 basically I've. 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:05.000 Written up like content for because you know, I was 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:09.200 the the producer. I you know, I wrote and produced everything, 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:12.640 so the whole curriculum behind it. I did seven new 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:15.200 layouts since I was away. I just haven't filmed any 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:18.040 of it. So a couple of them come with like 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:22.920 different apparatuses, you know, there's you know, different platforms, different tiers. 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:23.800 So I've done that. 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:25.920 It's just being in that right space because since i've 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:27.880 been home, I've been grinding, man, just really trying to 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:31.200 get traction because like you said to your point earlier 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:34.760 was there's people who come home being in deprivated state 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:37.800 and they really can't catch traction and they're really just 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:38.640 slopping mud up. 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:40.800 It's like, you know, just slick tires, you know. 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:43.520 And so I haven't really had an opportunity to really 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:44.720 just put everything into motion. 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:46.480 And I have so many ideas. 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:48.240 There's so much, you know, so many things that I 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:49.840 did with my time, with my spare time when I 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:51.960 was gone that I need to put into you know, 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:53.280 production and put into play. 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:57.520 So since you've been home for how long back in Atlanta. 0:07:57.640 --> 0:07:59.160 So I got out and. 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:03.880 Came home in May of nineteen, and they had me 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:06.360 on a house arrest program. So it's a six month program, 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:09.600 so technically, but I was still at home. So I 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:16.600 came back to Atlanta. I came to visit Thanksgiving of 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:21.320 Thanksgiving of nineteen and I moved here. Now, I came 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:23.960 to visit during COVID because they shut Philadelphia all the 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:25.880 way down, so they said Atlanta is opened. Oh, I'm 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:28.920 going to come back here for correct. 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:31.760 Then we permanently moved back to Atlanta. 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:35.720 I want to say October of twenty twenty is when 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:39.600 we came back permanently. And since then, you know, we 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:41.680 decided to get into the real estate. Sharen, you know, 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:44.599 she has her license, she's a broker, she does designs, 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:47.200 you know, all of that stuff from the architectural standpoint, 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:53.120 and most agents, you know, their feet are you know, 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:55.319 the biggest accomplishment for an Asian is, hey, I want 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:57.920 to be an investor or and or you want to 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:00.600 be you know, have your own brokerage one of the two, 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:01.000 you know. 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:03.280 So she decided to get out of the. 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:09.160 Handover you know fit situation every day going out marketing yourself, 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:11.240 meeting with a gazillion clients. 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:13.199 Just to sell a house. So she said, hey, let's. 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:15.360 Just start building our own Let's start designing our own 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:17.760 homes and things like that. So I already had a 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:19.720 team from you know, back when you saw I did 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:23.040 the house in Buckhead. Already have my same crew, and 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:25.760 then some of the properties that we've had they would 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:27.840 service some of the things when I was away and 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:31.199 stuff like that. So I've always kept my same team. 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:34.600 So we just kind of expanded since then from as 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:37.200 far as heavy machinery, everything's in house, and. 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:40.719 That kind of just took the street mentality, if you. 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:43.760 Will, the entrepreneurial side, if you will, and just cut 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:45.960 out the middleman, because when you have a contractor that 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:48.040 comes on the contractor, what they normally do is they 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:50.360 sub it out, so you're gonna have four contractors they're 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:53.079 sub sub subit. So you know, in the street terminology, 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:55.040 just like if you have a product per se and 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:58.120 then you stretch that product, right, you just stepping on 0:09:58.160 --> 0:10:00.360 that product and by the time you get to the end, 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:03.040 it's like either garbage and or you've ben paid, you know, 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:03.880 a markup on the. 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:05.080 Retail, which you really don't have to. 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:07.599 So I decided to go directly to the trade and 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:11.560 then in lou signed the tradesmen straight to us, and 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:14.240 then they work for us exclusively, and so therefore we're 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:16.559 just getting our prices are pretty much unmatched. 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:18.160 No, you're doing good. 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:20.000 You're doing good. And I'm so proud of you because 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:25.160 obviously we met each other on season three of the 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:28.240 Hospitals of Atlanta. Yep, when you decided to do the show, 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:33.120 When your then wife Faedra tells you that she's been 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:39.000 approached to do a reality show, what were your first thoughts. 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:42.560 I really was like, no way, you know, I didn't 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:44.000 want to do it because. 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:47.880 Again, well it's another secret now, but I was in 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:50.600 the streets, you know, pretty pretty heavily in the streets, and. 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:55.840 I really didn't want that. I didn't want that, you know, attention. 0:10:56.840 --> 0:10:59.760 But then I was like, okay, it could be a 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:02.120 good thing too, right, So it served to be a 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:04.920 good thing because if you think about it, when all 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:07.160 of the wives were saying, you know, she takes care 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:09.800 of him and and and and. 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:11.559 You know, she buys this and she does that, that 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:12.240 was great for me. 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:16.240 That's why I never said nothing because okay, keep thinking that, right, Well, 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:17.880 I just keep stacking my money and we just keep 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:19.960 living our lives. It doesn't really matter because that's what 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:23.360 your perception is reality, So it doesn't matter what I'm 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:24.880 doing back, and so it kind of helped mask a 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:26.559 lot of things too, you know. 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:30.040 Also help keep what you were doing in the streets 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:34.080 in the streets exactly and not having to explain because 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:36.480 one thing Faedra did say when the girls were asked 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:39.880 like what does Apollo do, and she would say something 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:41.840 like you were the repo man. 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:50.920 No no, well no, everyone all like so the no, no, no, 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:58.560 it's so no. So okay. The thing about it is like, uh, 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:03.040 it's an asset recover. When she has recovery, she considered 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:03.600 the report man. 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:05.880 But it's so funny that you mentioned that, right, because 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:09.600 she just calls me about a case literally last month, 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:11.280 maybe about a month ago. 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:11.760 She calls me. 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:13.880 We talk all the time, especially when it comes like 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:16.080 to legal matters or you know, just certain things that 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:17.480 she knows that I handle a lot of things. 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:18.120 Whatever. 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:20.280 So she called us like, hey, you remember you was 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:22.680 doing that you had this business blase bla back when 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:26.200 this case just came across my desk. I said, you idiot, 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:28.320 I said, you don't remember. I was like, I told 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:29.920 you to get into that business a long time ago. 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:31.800 I said, here it is like twenty years later now, 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:34.640 and she was like, yeah, so what's going on with it? 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:36.440 But anyways, yes, So what it is is, you know 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:40.679 individuals out here they have there's like right now it 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:42.760 teetered up. It used to be like one point something billion, 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:44.840 but right now it's like three something billion dollars just 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:46.920 in the state of Georgia. That's held at the Department 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:49.680 of Revenue. And a lot of people don't know about this, okay, 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:52.640 So it could be as small as to one cent 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:55.920 all the way to you know, millions of dollars. It 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:58.040 just depends you can pick through the litter and figure 0:12:58.080 --> 0:12:59.840 out which you know, which claim you want to go after, 0:12:59.880 --> 0:13:02.560 and who you want to patronize in order to represent them. 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:04.079 Plus the laws have changed a lot. 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:06.160 But just get in to the meat of it is 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:09.840 that let's just say you, for for easy sake, let's 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:12.280 just say T Mobile. Let's just say you paid your 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:14.600 T mobile bill and you decided to go to Sprint, right, 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:18.839 and your bill was five hundred dollars, okay, and you 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:20.520 have a rebate. Let's just say if two hundred and 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:22.840 fifty dollars, well, that two hundred and fifty was supposed 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:25.800 to be mailed back to you, okay, you don't get it, Well, 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:27.800 they can't hold onto it, so that money has to 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:30.600 then be forfeited over to the Department of Revenue Georgia 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:33.559 Department of Revenue. Every state has a department of revenue. 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:36.160 The money gets forfeited to the Department of Revenue. You 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:38.160 don't know about it, it just sits there. So it 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:40.319 goes into what's called a call for okay, it goes 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:43.800 into Alectinist cheat program. And so then once it gets 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:46.080 into that cheat program, its forfeited. And the state of 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:47.880 Georgia is forfeited after six years. 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:48.920 And here it is. 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:51.280 It's not just don't look at the small part is 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:55.240 two hundred and fifty dollars. No, there's millions of millions 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:57.679 of dollars out there. We're not talking about collectively to 0:13:57.800 --> 0:13:59.440 on just one claim itself, you know. 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:00.600 So it varies. 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:06.760 It goes from insurance to trust to bonds, stocks, you know, annuities, dividends, 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:08.480 it's all across the board, not just with the T 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:09.280 mobile thing. 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:12.000 And so you were doing that at the time, yes. 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:14.880 And so is it so the money you would would 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:17.360 you take the money and figure out how to distribute 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:20.680 it or how were you able to recover that asset? 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:26.600 So this is the thing. I so my case actually 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:27.640 there's two parts. 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:29.960 So my legitimate business, I had legitimate business, and I 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:33.200 just basically mirrored the legitimate business with the illegal side 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:35.600 of it. And I was doing it illegally because the 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:38.160 people didn't know. So I was just basically still taking 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:42.320 the funds when they didn't even know while was taking 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:43.320 the funds from this from the. 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:44.520 State per se. 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:48.080 The Feds never you know, they know that my business 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:50.760 was legitimate, so they never did anything with my legitimate business. 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:53.680 I just transferred everything, shut everything down, hands up, Hey, 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:56.720 I'm guilty whatever, let's just deal with this illegal. 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:57.560 Matter over here. 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:00.720 So once you find the person and you locate the individual, 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:03.240 of course there's you know, software and all that stuff. 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:05.240 Once you contact the person, of course you'll put them 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:07.800 in the contract. Things have changed a lot since back 0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:10.600 when the laws have changed. They make it extremely hard 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:13.040 because based on like my crime, they don't want people 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:16.680 to do that because back then it was very easy. Nowadays, 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:18.600 you know, you they want you to be back by 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:21.000 an attorney and or you know, if you're that person, 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:23.960 your paperwork has to be spot on. You know, it 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:27.920 can't just be no foolery. So once you find the individual, 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:30.200 you'll lock them in the contract. Then back when you 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:32.680 used to could go up to something like almost you 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:36.280 could charge a mount as a PI attorney, which personal injury, 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:38.720 that's what that stands for. You could do something like 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:41.960 thirty three percent in the state of Georgia. Well as 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:45.320 a finder's fee, you're only able to uh through the treasury. 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:47.800 You're only able to do ten percent a third party 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:52.360 finders fee, so you're not really that's you know, you 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:54.360 got to do a hell of a lot of claims 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:56.920 you know, at ten percent to make money, you know, 0:15:57.120 --> 0:15:58.920 which you know it can still be feasible, but you 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:00.800 have to have your network put in place so that 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:04.480 you know, because it's almost like, for example, if you 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:07.280 get into a personal injury per se, right, and you 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:09.960 go to your doctors and you got you know, your chiropractice, 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:11.840 you got your medical and all that, you might get 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:13.600 a stipend. You might get a check for fifty k 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:16.440 but when it comes down to you that check, you know, 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:18.560 it gets trickled down. You got to pay your medical 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:20.480 you got to pay the doctors, you got to pay whoever, 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:23.440 and then your attorney costs. So of course, depending on 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:25.760 how you set your network up per se, then you 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:28.880 can still make money because you still have fees associated 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:30.360 with this claim. You still got to find person, you 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:32.680 got footwork, you got research. It's still a lot that 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:34.800 can go into it if you want to carve it 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:38.760 out and make that a business. But in a sense, now, 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:41.800 I wasn't like repulling cars, you know it was. It 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:43.680 was a little deeper than that. Just a lot of 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:46.800 people really didn't understand the business. And then of course, 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:48.760 like the housewives, you know, everybody don't want to listen 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:51.280 to anything, so it's kind of like whatever, you know 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:53.440 what you girls are and the men too. Hey, you 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:56.840 guys are fixated on what fixated on what you think 0:16:56.960 --> 0:16:59.200 is whatever, So hey, take it run with it. 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:00.040 I don't care no. 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:03.720 What they listened to though, was phad dress due date 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:08.520 changing all the time, right, yeah? It is one of 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:14.600 the reasons why the d date change is because you 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:18.000 two got pregnant before you were married. 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:31.920 Let's count that up. Let's see. Yeah, possibly like a 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:33.840 maybe maybe about a month before. 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:36.520 So she got pregnant a month before you said I do. 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:39.879 What was was the due date controversy. 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:42.000 Not before the excuse me, not before the proposal, though 0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:45.840 you proposed before. Yeah. Yeah, so this was the thing, right. 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:49.679 So that's the biggest mystery is she lied about her 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:52.080 due date because she was having a baby out of wedlock. 0:17:52.359 --> 0:17:54.440 No, so this is the thing. Phase and I have 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:56.160 known each other, are been uh. 0:17:57.840 --> 0:18:01.160 Together, friends or whatever you know, sincenineteen ninety seven. It's 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:02.080 a very long time. 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:05.720 And you were how old? Nineteen? And she was how old? 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:09.359 Twenty four five? But I lied about my age. She 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:11.240 was twenty five. She just graduated law school. 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:13.840 Okay, so you're nineteen, she's twenty five, yes, but you 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:14.520 told her you were. 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:16.960 I think it's like twenty two or something like that. 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:20.040 But to see, the thing about it was the the opulence, 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:22.000 like the cars that I had, the jury and stuff 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:24.960 like back then, because I've always been pretty you know, 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:27.560 pretty uh, what's a good term for it. I've been 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:32.040 pretty well off, if you will, for quite some time, 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:35.040 despite you know me, you know, going to prison and 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:36.560 all that type of thing. But yeah, I'm mad on 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:40.000 the freeway, on the freeway. On the freeway, so we're driving. 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:42.479 I've seen this pretty little thing, you know. I started flirting, 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:44.960 but we were man, when I tell you, it was 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:47.719 bumper to bumper traffic on two eighty five going across 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:50.080 the Chattahoochee Bridge right there before you merge on the 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:53.880 seventy five, And so I started messing with it because 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:54.600 the hell we're in traffic. 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:55.320 It's nothing else to do. 0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:59.000 So I start like kind of flirting, and then she's 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:00.760 not really trying to hear it. And then finally, I mean, 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:02.520 we're literally in traffic for a while, so what else 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:04.280 are you gonna do? Right, So then finally she kind 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:05.840 of gives in because I really don't. 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:07.439 I'm relentless. I don't stop right. 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:12.680 So we go merging onto seventy five and then I'm like, okay, 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:15.560 we're getting We passed what's that windy hill and we're 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:18.000 heading towards the next exit DELK Road. I said, you 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:19.880 know what, man, this woman might think I'm a creep 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:21.600 or something. You know, I don't want to just like 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:23.600 I'm following her, but I'm literally going to the barbershop 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:26.160 because we open up a shop out there in Powder Springs. 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:27.680 So I was like, okay, let me get in front 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:29.399 of her. So I get in front of her and 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:31.080 I go get off Delk and we have to go 0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:34.040 way down Delk Road to this little side street called 0:19:34.040 --> 0:19:34.680 like Sandtown. 0:19:34.920 --> 0:19:35.840 Nobody knows. 0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:37.720 First of all, I'm glad I did get in front 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:39.520 of her, because if I would have turned off this 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:42.120 little road that she was turning on, oh, she would 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:44.960 have definitely thought like this guy's like up to no good. 0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:48.200 You know. So I turn and then when we turn 0:19:48.280 --> 0:19:50.560 on this little road, she honks the horn and pulls 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:52.520 over and comes on the side, and it was like 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:55.120 follow me. I'm follow you. Okay. 0:19:55.280 --> 0:19:57.359 I've gotten into some things in my time, right, So 0:19:57.400 --> 0:20:00.639 I'm like okay. So we go to her house. She 0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:01.639 stayed right down the street. 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:07.199 Hold on brother day one day, one day, no, not 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:09.440 even day, no, not dat, like. 0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:13.480 Like forty five minutes later later, So Pedra says, to 0:20:13.560 --> 0:20:14.879 you come to my crib. 0:20:15.160 --> 0:20:18.399 Yeah, okay, yeah, she says, follow me. So I follow her. 0:20:18.440 --> 0:20:20.399 We pull up at the house in the driveway, I 0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:21.480 get out, I see her. 0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:23.920 She looks at me, hey blah, blah blah. We talked 0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:26.800 for a minute. Did you you talked outside out side 0:20:26.800 --> 0:20:28.840 of the house. Yeah, I'll side in the in the driveway. 0:20:28.960 --> 0:20:30.679 She was like, what are you doing over here? You know? 0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:32.879 I said, oh, well, the barbershops down the street. She's like, oh, 0:20:32.960 --> 0:20:34.359 you cut here? I said, yeah, I cut here at 0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:36.520 the shop. She said, oh wow, okay, because they built 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:38.200 a new plaza and everything down there, she knew where 0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:40.560 it was at. All right, cool, let's stay in contact 0:20:40.760 --> 0:20:42.760 and then from there we just you know, I think 0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:44.760 I called her a couple of times because back then 0:20:44.760 --> 0:20:46.320 you didn't really didn't have to sell phones like that, 0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:48.480 or you did what they were expensive, you know, and 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:50.640 sold the home phone. Called the home phone a couple 0:20:50.680 --> 0:20:52.520 of times. She didn't answer, left a couple of messages. 0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:57.520 She was in uh Barbados or something, Galopagos, she was somewhere. 0:20:57.760 --> 0:21:00.320 But she returned my call find like a month later, 0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:03.520 and she was like, Hey, I've just been traveling, but 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:05.159 I'm home now. You want to hook up? So we 0:21:05.200 --> 0:21:07.439 went out to eat. We went to Applebee's. We went 0:21:07.480 --> 0:21:08.119 to Applebee's. 0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:11.160 You know, it's crazy, the apple Bee's is still there 0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:14.560 right there on by the galleria. It's still at the 0:21:14.600 --> 0:21:17.520 same Yeah, we went there. Oh, it's not an expensive 0:21:17.560 --> 0:21:19.720 day at all to the money. Yeah, we went to 0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:22.080 the movies too. I think we went to the movies. Yeah, 0:21:22.920 --> 0:21:24.639 movie ticket. Yeah, so you know it was great. I 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:27.120 wish we could do that back. No, right, you would 0:21:27.119 --> 0:21:32.680 get away with that now. Oh man, oh man, think 0:21:32.680 --> 0:21:35.520 about it. We could go you think about your friends, right, 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:36.679 and the bill. 0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:38.760 Comes and just like for you guys, and the bill 0:21:38.840 --> 0:21:41.720 is like one hundred and fifty bucks, You're like, whoa man. Yeah, 0:21:41.880 --> 0:21:44.720 You're like, so you paid the whole thing, right, but man, 0:21:45.240 --> 0:21:49.480 things are so expensive nowadays, it's crazy. But yeah, we 0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:51.280 we go out to eat and so that's kind of 0:21:51.280 --> 0:21:54.560 how we started our relationship, just being friends and just 0:21:54.600 --> 0:21:58.800 going from there and uh so to that point. So 0:21:58.840 --> 0:22:01.920 when I came home, there was a situation that occurred. 0:22:01.920 --> 0:22:07.040 You know, most people don't know, but uh so, when 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:10.160 I got arrested the first time, you know, that whole situation, 0:22:10.960 --> 0:22:14.000 a lot of people might say like this this here, 0:22:14.080 --> 0:22:15.960 no one even knows this. You know, this is the 0:22:15.960 --> 0:22:19.600 first time I've even made this statement ever. So I 0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:22.240 go do six years on a rico case, the same thing, 0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:25.640 like Doug is under whatever for racketeering a Corrupt Organization Act. 0:22:25.720 --> 0:22:30.120 This is when you were the very started dating Phadra. Yes. Yes, 0:22:30.520 --> 0:22:34.400 so it's almost like if you have and my thing 0:22:34.480 --> 0:22:39.200 wasn't gang related. It's more so like a white collar offenses, right, 0:22:39.560 --> 0:22:42.960 but on a high scale. So here it is you 0:22:43.000 --> 0:22:45.479 have multiple crews out there, you have people that I mean, 0:22:45.520 --> 0:22:47.480 you know, you're not just one person that's doing white 0:22:47.520 --> 0:22:49.640 collar crime. There's probably a gazillion people. Right. 0:22:50.359 --> 0:22:56.160 So long story short, someone that I know was committing 0:22:56.480 --> 0:23:02.160 these crimes, right, and they we were very close at 0:23:02.160 --> 0:23:06.280 the time, and they utilized some information. I had got 0:23:06.320 --> 0:23:09.680 arrested for something for a very short stint of time, 0:23:10.000 --> 0:23:12.880 and I called Phaeder to come and assist with that. 0:23:12.960 --> 0:23:13.960 For the bond and everything. 0:23:14.040 --> 0:23:15.879 She was like, well, you're gonna get a bond, but 0:23:15.920 --> 0:23:18.320 you probably have to sit like forty five days. All right, 0:23:18.400 --> 0:23:20.479 no problem, all right, but don't worry about it. You're 0:23:20.480 --> 0:23:22.119 gonna get a bail. So I think she came to 0:23:22.200 --> 0:23:25.479 visit me. So during that time, as like putting our 0:23:25.520 --> 0:23:27.680 case together to get the bond, we went to court 0:23:27.760 --> 0:23:30.080 a couple of times. So say on the second or 0:23:30.080 --> 0:23:32.640 third time going to court when we're back at the jail. 0:23:32.760 --> 0:23:35.119 She comes and pays me a visit and says, hey, well, no, 0:23:35.160 --> 0:23:38.280 this is at the courthouse. She says, I don't know 0:23:38.320 --> 0:23:40.400 what's going on, but the FEDS is outside and they're 0:23:40.400 --> 0:23:42.879 saying that, you know, they're wanting you for this, that 0:23:42.920 --> 0:23:46.560 and the third. I'm like, there's no way, like I'm 0:23:46.720 --> 0:23:50.040 literally in here for just this situation. That's really we're 0:23:50.080 --> 0:23:52.320 gonna get through this because I'm not guilty for what 0:23:52.440 --> 0:23:55.200 I'm in there for. But I said, okay, okay, we'll 0:23:55.240 --> 0:23:58.199 just cross that bridge later. But it's not me again. 0:23:59.440 --> 0:24:03.320 We won't you the word framed. But I basically I 0:24:03.400 --> 0:24:05.680 knew exactly what happened. I knew that, I knew exactly 0:24:05.680 --> 0:24:10.439 how everything went down, and I found myself in a conundrum. 0:24:10.440 --> 0:24:13.280 I found myself in a bad spot and I wasn't 0:24:13.280 --> 0:24:15.280 gonna flip on my friends or anything like that. 0:24:15.600 --> 0:24:16.520 I found myself in. 0:24:16.480 --> 0:24:20.120 A really, really dark place. And here it is, I'm 0:24:20.119 --> 0:24:26.400 going to trial. I'm being extradited to South Georgia, where 0:24:26.440 --> 0:24:29.119 I've never been. Okay, never been out there, never done 0:24:29.160 --> 0:24:30.000 a crime out there. 0:24:30.160 --> 0:24:30.720 So we fight. 0:24:30.800 --> 0:24:34.560 It was a sixteen count indictment, Okay, I was only 0:24:34.600 --> 0:24:37.480 on one count, which was Count one, which was the RICO. Well, 0:24:37.480 --> 0:24:39.240 in order to have a RICO, you have to prove, 0:24:39.320 --> 0:24:41.000 like predicate acts is what it is. You have to 0:24:41.040 --> 0:24:44.159 show how you're tied to this, you know, to this organization. 0:24:44.520 --> 0:24:46.960 But again they got me tied to an organization. But 0:24:47.000 --> 0:24:50.080 then they have me as the ring leader of the organization. Right, Well, 0:24:51.119 --> 0:24:52.879 all of the elements really didn't add up. So we 0:24:52.960 --> 0:24:56.680 did like a improper venue, no jurisdiction, all this crap. 0:24:56.840 --> 0:24:59.440 But long story short, I wound up doing this time. 0:24:59.440 --> 0:25:01.240 I did six years on that for something that I 0:25:01.240 --> 0:25:04.240 didn't do. I wrote it out, so fucking went to try. 0:25:04.240 --> 0:25:07.959 I lost trial attorney. Yeah, at first she was, but 0:25:08.000 --> 0:25:11.000 then I was like, okay, you know what, we kind 0:25:11.040 --> 0:25:12.720 of had a little falling out, and there's a lot 0:25:12.720 --> 0:25:14.239 of respect for her too, and I'm going to get 0:25:14.280 --> 0:25:16.200 to that point that I do have done. Like I said, 0:25:16.240 --> 0:25:17.800 I've never really mentioned this, you know, this all in 0:25:17.800 --> 0:25:19.640 the past, but there's a lot of respect for her 0:25:19.800 --> 0:25:24.080 that I do give for just I guess we would 0:25:24.119 --> 0:25:26.159 say like keeping the code, but at least just like 0:25:26.280 --> 0:25:30.040 staying loyal, staying staying staying loyal and above board so 0:25:32.440 --> 0:25:34.600 I decided to get another attorney who was like a 0:25:34.680 --> 0:25:35.480 Rico professor. 0:25:35.600 --> 0:25:36.760 He wrote a couple of books. 0:25:36.760 --> 0:25:38.600 I thought that that might fit the bill better because 0:25:38.640 --> 0:25:40.640 this is the first time that she would try. 0:25:40.440 --> 0:25:41.320 A big case like this. 0:25:41.359 --> 0:25:44.680 Plus it's a black woman, you know, down in the country. 0:25:45.119 --> 0:25:46.800 You don't know what happened, So I'm just looking at 0:25:46.800 --> 0:25:49.040 everything in totally. Plus it's my life, you know. And 0:25:49.080 --> 0:25:51.400 we had a couple of little little quarrels about that. 0:25:51.520 --> 0:25:53.840 You know, I don't think that's the best move for 0:25:53.920 --> 0:25:56.199 you. You know, who's going to have your back, who's going 0:25:56.280 --> 0:25:59.040 to talk. You know, at the end of the day, 0:25:59.080 --> 0:26:01.199 I say, I rode the dice, and you know, I 0:26:01.280 --> 0:26:05.639 crapped out, you know, versus hitting my number. But there 0:26:05.720 --> 0:26:07.919 was one of my co defendants who testified against me, 0:26:08.320 --> 0:26:10.920 like I'm going to trial and then motherfucker's is taking 0:26:10.920 --> 0:26:13.760 the stand, okay, and I. 0:26:13.720 --> 0:26:17.160 Mean whole diagram board and everything. I mean, it got rough. 0:26:17.640 --> 0:26:24.400 And so he hired her to be his counsel. 0:26:24.560 --> 0:26:26.800 Yeah, and so guess what that would mean. 0:26:27.240 --> 0:26:30.959 That would mean she would have to sit there, cross examined, 0:26:31.280 --> 0:26:34.360 and she would have to then blast me or knock 0:26:34.440 --> 0:26:37.560 my head off, right so she was the opposing Yeah, 0:26:37.800 --> 0:26:40.439 so my co defendant, who was a co defendant, she 0:26:41.119 --> 0:26:42.920 was hired to be his representation. 0:26:43.680 --> 0:26:48.160 So Phedra had to go against you in the court 0:26:48.200 --> 0:26:48.560 of law. 0:26:48.640 --> 0:26:51.120 Yes, So what she did was she just resigned from 0:26:51.119 --> 0:26:54.840 the case. Oh, she recused herself. Accuse herself. Yes, she 0:26:54.880 --> 0:26:58.879 recused hersel. And so that's why for you, that was 0:26:59.040 --> 0:27:01.880 very upstanding. Yeah, very very And I said, you know what, 0:27:02.080 --> 0:27:02.600 I get it. 0:27:02.920 --> 0:27:05.440 You prefer just to have hands off and not even 0:27:05.440 --> 0:27:06.400 get in that muddy water. 0:27:06.520 --> 0:27:10.560 You know. That was good. And so you know, she 0:27:10.640 --> 0:27:12.680 went her way. I went my way. 0:27:12.800 --> 0:27:16.560 She was, you know, disgrown all about me, you know, 0:27:16.640 --> 0:27:20.959 hiring another council and so forth, and here we go. 0:27:21.000 --> 0:27:23.439 I go down in the books and I wound up 0:27:23.440 --> 0:27:26.680 losing trial, and so they gave me the time. And 0:27:26.760 --> 0:27:30.719 it wasn't until I had another friend who's uh so 0:27:30.720 --> 0:27:33.399 they messed all my paperwork up with my appeal. It 0:27:33.480 --> 0:27:35.920 was really just shitty. So I had another friend who 0:27:35.920 --> 0:27:38.919 had a whose cousin was an attorney, and I was 0:27:39.040 --> 0:27:40.200 I was cool with her father. 0:27:40.359 --> 0:27:43.320 It's her father's sister. Well, sorry, it's her aunt. Sorry. 0:27:43.400 --> 0:27:45.480 So I was cool with her dad and the way 0:27:45.520 --> 0:27:49.320 me and her. Their dad is a neurosurgeon up in 0:27:49.320 --> 0:27:52.600 in uh Indiana, so I was really cool with them. 0:27:52.840 --> 0:27:54.399 I gave her dad a couple of good points. 0:27:54.440 --> 0:27:58.359 So when XM radio was a Cyrus Cyrus series radio, 0:27:58.640 --> 0:28:00.520 So when they first came out in An, I came 0:28:00.560 --> 0:28:02.800 out this is like two thousand, two thousand and one. 0:28:03.040 --> 0:28:05.600 The IPO was extremely low and me or dad used 0:28:05.600 --> 0:28:07.640 to talk about stocks and so forth, and I was like, hey, 0:28:07.680 --> 0:28:09.240 you might want to jump on this, and he was 0:28:09.240 --> 0:28:10.560 like you sure, I said, man, I really think so 0:28:10.560 --> 0:28:11.120 you should. 0:28:10.960 --> 0:28:11.359 Jump on this. 0:28:11.359 --> 0:28:14.040 He made a shitload of money, a shitload of money, 0:28:14.320 --> 0:28:16.119 and so his dad's always talks to me like, hey, 0:28:16.119 --> 0:28:18.000 if you ever need anything, let me know. 0:28:18.040 --> 0:28:19.439 I owe you, owe you one. 0:28:19.640 --> 0:28:23.200 So I needed it. So I reached out to my friend. 0:28:23.359 --> 0:28:25.000 I was like, hey, look this is where I'm at. 0:28:25.040 --> 0:28:27.120 She used to come see me. She's like, you know what, 0:28:27.640 --> 0:28:31.880 my cousin is a practicing attorney in Atlanta. I want 0:28:31.880 --> 0:28:33.200 to talk to my I'm and my aunt. She said, 0:28:33.200 --> 0:28:33.760 I'm gonna talk. 0:28:33.680 --> 0:28:35.800 To my dad and see what can I say? Yes, 0:28:35.840 --> 0:28:36.480 talk to your dad. 0:28:36.840 --> 0:28:39.040 So sure enough she came to see me, and I 0:28:39.080 --> 0:28:41.520 had one last chance and it was basically a habeas 0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:45.320 corpus I can't remember. So we followed this habeas basically 0:28:45.320 --> 0:28:49.360 it was like a false imprisonment type thing, just saying 0:28:49.360 --> 0:28:51.480 that I'm being held against my will, and we just 0:28:51.520 --> 0:28:52.600 followed that against the prison. 0:28:52.640 --> 0:28:55.240 It gave me one last chance to go back before 0:28:55.240 --> 0:28:55.719 the courts. 0:28:55.800 --> 0:29:00.560 Anyways, I wind up by that time the has dropped 0:29:00.560 --> 0:29:03.400 the case. GBI wound up picking it up during that time. 0:29:03.440 --> 0:29:04.920 I think I left that part out. And so I'm 0:29:04.920 --> 0:29:06.920 basically in the state. In the State of Georgia, you 0:29:06.960 --> 0:29:10.880 do a third of your sentence, so they wind up 0:29:10.920 --> 0:29:14.360 giving me on the state levels like eighteen years. 0:29:14.360 --> 0:29:15.440 When I lost trial. 0:29:16.840 --> 0:29:20.920 Eighteen years, you got a sentenced for eighteen years. 0:29:20.960 --> 0:29:24.920 And on the non violent offense. The thing about it 0:29:25.000 --> 0:29:28.720 is on a rico. The rico and the state of George, 0:29:28.760 --> 0:29:31.040 well mostly in the nation is the highest statue of 0:29:31.040 --> 0:29:33.640 crime because you know it in tells whatever murder story 0:29:33.880 --> 0:29:34.480 blah blah blah. 0:29:34.600 --> 0:29:37.840 Right, so all this stuff, and they. 0:29:39.240 --> 0:29:42.520 Considering it was nonviolent and it fell in the line 0:29:42.560 --> 0:29:46.040 of the rico, there's still like it's a level seven, 0:29:46.840 --> 0:29:48.400 so it goes outside the grid. 0:29:48.480 --> 0:29:50.160 So level six is where t's that it was like 0:29:50.160 --> 0:29:50.800 a level seven. 0:29:50.880 --> 0:29:52.760 So what they did they just treated it as the 0:29:52.760 --> 0:29:55.400 same as it was a level six and consider it 0:29:55.400 --> 0:29:57.440 as non violent, and you do a third of your time, 0:29:57.560 --> 0:30:02.480 So three times six is eighteen, and that'll be the third. 0:30:02.560 --> 0:30:03.240 So I didn't know that. 0:30:03.320 --> 0:30:05.640 So the whole time, I'm sitting not really sure what's 0:30:05.680 --> 0:30:08.800 gonna happen, but I'm still fighting to get out. And 0:30:08.840 --> 0:30:11.080 mind you, I'm in there this whole time, wrongfully convicted. 0:30:11.520 --> 0:30:14.320 I didn't do it. Now, there was some elements right. 0:30:14.880 --> 0:30:16.719 My whole defense was we're not saying, hey, I never 0:30:16.760 --> 0:30:19.080 committed a crime. That was not the defense. The defense 0:30:19.160 --> 0:30:21.560 was I'm not part of this. Right, We're not saying 0:30:21.560 --> 0:30:24.400 that I wasn't doing something right or out out there, 0:30:24.440 --> 0:30:26.400 but I just wasn't a part of that. But anyways, 0:30:26.680 --> 0:30:29.080 so when I came home, her and I and again, 0:30:29.120 --> 0:30:31.120 like I say, nobody ever knew that. So here it 0:30:31.200 --> 0:30:33.480 is this story that's being told even on the on 0:30:33.520 --> 0:30:36.400 the Housewives, and I was, oh, this man's a crooked. 0:30:36.600 --> 0:30:38.440 I guess what, It's not even worth it. It's not 0:30:38.480 --> 0:30:40.280 even worth it. What am I gonna do? Wave the 0:30:40.280 --> 0:30:41.960 flag and say oh I didn't do it? And try 0:30:41.960 --> 0:30:44.280 to tell everybody and plead my case. Well, guess what 0:30:44.280 --> 0:30:46.760 the damage is done. I'm still convicted, fella, And I 0:30:46.800 --> 0:30:48.960 still went to jail. I still did time, but I 0:30:49.000 --> 0:30:50.840 went to time. I did time, but I. 0:30:50.760 --> 0:30:53.360 Didn't do it. Literally, I didn't do it, had nothing 0:30:53.360 --> 0:30:57.920 to do with it. So anyways, get out, I said, 0:30:57.960 --> 0:31:00.640 you know what. We stayed in contact. I think I 0:31:00.680 --> 0:31:04.200 called her a couple of times. I think I reached out. 0:31:04.000 --> 0:31:06.680 To her when I lost trial, just to say hello. 0:31:07.920 --> 0:31:16.080 Then I went to a camp in Atlanta. I think 0:31:16.120 --> 0:31:19.280 I was in Griffin Griffin, Georgia, and I reached out 0:31:19.280 --> 0:31:21.120 to her over the phone, reached out to Fader over 0:31:21.120 --> 0:31:22.920 the phone, and she was just like, you know, how 0:31:22.960 --> 0:31:25.400 long do you have to go? I don't know, but 0:31:25.480 --> 0:31:28.680 come to find out, I was at the camp. My 0:31:28.840 --> 0:31:31.800 level of crime. I wasn't supposed to be there and 0:31:31.880 --> 0:31:33.560 that kind of I don't know how I got there, 0:31:33.760 --> 0:31:35.920 but I stayed there. It was short lived, and then 0:31:35.960 --> 0:31:38.560 I wound up going to another prison and that's when 0:31:39.200 --> 0:31:41.200 things started kind of rolling for me a little better. 0:31:41.600 --> 0:31:45.600 And I wound up getting out. And when I got out, 0:31:45.880 --> 0:31:47.720 I called her and she was like, oh, when you're 0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:50.760 coming home? I was like, I'm home. She was like, oh, 0:31:50.760 --> 0:31:51.520 you're home. 0:31:51.600 --> 0:31:54.200 Really, And then you know, she was already like engaged 0:31:54.240 --> 0:31:56.920 to somebody, and. 0:31:57.520 --> 0:31:58.720 At that point I was just. 0:31:58.640 --> 0:32:00.520 Like, man, you know, I think they might still be something, 0:32:01.280 --> 0:32:04.160 you know, So then I pursued it pursued. 0:32:04.600 --> 0:32:07.000 Although she was engaged to a man. 0:32:07.000 --> 0:32:08.560 Well, I just felt like it was still mine, you 0:32:08.600 --> 0:32:11.080 know at the time, you know, I really felt that way. 0:32:11.440 --> 0:32:14.800 And I went over to her house and we just 0:32:14.840 --> 0:32:16.640 started talking and kind of picked up from there. 0:32:16.800 --> 0:32:18.840 And she knew my circumstances at that time. 0:32:18.720 --> 0:32:20.520 Like she knew, you know, I was staying with a 0:32:20.560 --> 0:32:22.960 friend of mine, just got out, and again, you know, 0:32:23.000 --> 0:32:23.960 that was supportive too. 0:32:24.080 --> 0:32:26.080 I think a lot of things changed, like when you're. 0:32:27.480 --> 0:32:30.640 As you know these when you're on TV and you 0:32:30.680 --> 0:32:32.440 get your celebrity and all that stuff. 0:32:32.480 --> 0:32:34.680 You know, you become a different person. Think about it. 0:32:34.800 --> 0:32:36.560 Even you're not the same person you were. I'm sure 0:32:36.600 --> 0:32:39.280 people tell you you've changed, you know, but you have 0:32:39.320 --> 0:32:40.480 to change to some degree. 0:32:40.600 --> 0:32:41.160 For sure, you. 0:32:41.120 --> 0:32:44.360 Grow, you grow, absolutely, but the character of who you 0:32:44.400 --> 0:32:45.960 are should remain the same. 0:32:46.080 --> 0:32:47.400 Shoul should Yeah. 0:32:47.440 --> 0:32:51.640 Yeah, like just fast forward like when I came when 0:32:51.720 --> 0:32:54.000 when when everyone was filming at the house prior to 0:32:54.040 --> 0:32:56.800 me the very last time I was on TV when 0:32:56.800 --> 0:32:59.200 I came to the house and I was disgrundled about 0:32:59.200 --> 0:33:02.520 all that stuff. It's because no one really knew the backstory, right, 0:33:02.560 --> 0:33:05.080 No one knew that this woman's been gone for quite 0:33:05.080 --> 0:33:06.760 a couple of days with the kids, and I had 0:33:06.760 --> 0:33:09.040 to fight to see my kids. And I'm coming home 0:33:09.320 --> 0:33:11.080 really to handle my business at the house, not to 0:33:11.080 --> 0:33:13.920 see a filming crew. And like you've ever seen when 0:33:13.920 --> 0:33:16.240 they jump on the Wizard of Oz, the witch is dead. 0:33:17.200 --> 0:33:20.520 It's like you're sitting here having a whole party, you know, 0:33:21.000 --> 0:33:23.760 when I'm gone. So that's why, you know, I was 0:33:23.840 --> 0:33:28.080 really upset then, but just rewind a little bit when 0:33:28.880 --> 0:33:31.360 as we started going, she was really you know, supportive 0:33:31.360 --> 0:33:34.720 about that fact. And then she was like, hey, let's 0:33:34.800 --> 0:33:36.760 not you. We're going to keep playing around. What are 0:33:36.760 --> 0:33:39.920 we gonna do. We've known each other forever. You've had 0:33:40.000 --> 0:33:43.080 drops and downs. I have much ups and downs. You've 0:33:43.120 --> 0:33:45.440 been here at my low times. I've been there for you. 0:33:45.840 --> 0:33:48.600 So we're not going to cross each other. Right, clearly 0:33:48.640 --> 0:33:50.280 that's been shown. We're not going to cross each other. 0:33:50.360 --> 0:33:52.760 That's before TV and all that stuff. You trust me, 0:33:52.800 --> 0:33:54.400 I trust you right right? 0:33:54.480 --> 0:33:54.800 Okay? 0:33:54.840 --> 0:33:59.160 Cool you think we should do this and start a family. Okay, 0:33:59.160 --> 0:34:03.080 cool you think so yeah, let's do it. Well okay, 0:34:03.120 --> 0:34:05.040 what about all this other stuff though that comes with that? 0:34:05.120 --> 0:34:07.880 Like rings in this you live an opulent lifestyle. You 0:34:07.920 --> 0:34:10.840 know you're you're you're a stupid person. So what do 0:34:10.880 --> 0:34:12.440 you want me to do here? Because I'm not ready 0:34:12.520 --> 0:34:15.080 ready to you know what I'm saying, to stop what 0:34:15.120 --> 0:34:17.279 I'm doing. I'm over here. My buddy gave me his 0:34:17.360 --> 0:34:19.960 condo in a two bedroom condo. He didn't even ask 0:34:20.000 --> 0:34:23.520 me for anything. Matter of fact, he was encouraging me 0:34:23.560 --> 0:34:26.080 to just take my time. And he used to put 0:34:26.239 --> 0:34:27.879 everything is paid for. I'm talking about every week. 0:34:27.880 --> 0:34:30.360 There's groceries in the refrigerator, there's money on the counter. 0:34:30.680 --> 0:34:32.080 Let everything is everything. 0:34:32.160 --> 0:34:35.040 Like listen, Paulo, don't trip out, don't do nothing, just 0:34:35.120 --> 0:34:38.600 get yourself together. So then when I was telling her that, 0:34:38.719 --> 0:34:41.040 she was like, well, you do know that when people 0:34:41.080 --> 0:34:44.960 get married there's responsibility. And you gotta said, well how 0:34:44.960 --> 0:34:46.640 about this, we can get married and I just live 0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:49.439 over there for a couple more months. And then it 0:34:49.480 --> 0:34:52.000 was like November first is when we got married, I 0:34:52.000 --> 0:34:54.680 can move in some months later. It might sound weird, 0:34:54.760 --> 0:34:57.200 but it's all about what you talk to with your person, 0:34:57.600 --> 0:34:59.839 you know, and what your you and your partner comes 0:34:59.880 --> 0:35:03.279 in to in agreements with. But that didn't fare with her, 0:35:03.480 --> 0:35:05.279 so she was like, no, that ain't gonna work. Okay, well, 0:35:05.280 --> 0:35:08.439 why don't you just take care of the smaller things 0:35:08.480 --> 0:35:10.800 and then I'll worry about the bigger things, the mortgage 0:35:10.800 --> 0:35:12.640 and all this stuff. I didn't feel right stepping into 0:35:12.800 --> 0:35:16.160 fucking three thousand dollar mortgage, Like, dude, I just came home. 0:35:17.080 --> 0:35:20.759 So so how soon did she get pregnant after you 0:35:20.800 --> 0:35:21.280 got home? 0:35:21.960 --> 0:35:28.200 Man? I don't know. Man, we pound town in. You 0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:32.080 have to make a full lost time. Yeah, no, none 0:35:32.120 --> 0:35:34.439 of that. They stopped all that. Okay, yeah, you don't 0:35:34.440 --> 0:35:38.000 have so you come home and then yeah, yeah, But 0:35:38.040 --> 0:35:39.719 the thing is, we really didn't think that. 0:35:41.000 --> 0:35:43.680 I didn't because we've always had, like, you know, I 0:35:43.680 --> 0:35:47.440 guess the unprotected situation, you know, and nothing's ever happened. 0:35:47.840 --> 0:35:49.319 And then all of a sudden, I guess we really 0:35:49.400 --> 0:35:50.839 the pull off game was good back then? 0:35:51.320 --> 0:35:57.520 Yeah, I guess so, And is it good now? 0:35:57.520 --> 0:36:01.160 I'll follow? I mean, I'm not do I mean, I'm 0:36:01.160 --> 0:36:05.319 married right now, I'm not. You know, you gotta you 0:36:05.320 --> 0:36:08.920 gotta put uh birth control and all that good stuff, 0:36:08.920 --> 0:36:09.160 you know. 0:36:09.239 --> 0:36:12.719 But uh so you think this whole confusion with the 0:36:12.800 --> 0:36:15.239 do date had a little bit to do with the 0:36:15.280 --> 0:36:19.799 fact that, listen, she comes from being a pastor's kid, 0:36:20.440 --> 0:36:22.160 and she's she's also private. 0:36:22.560 --> 0:36:23.040 We know that. 0:36:23.120 --> 0:36:26.000 I think it's the privacy. I don't think that she thought. 0:36:26.640 --> 0:36:28.799 I don't think that she really thought that through, thought 0:36:28.800 --> 0:36:31.080 that question through. It just hit her and then she 0:36:31.360 --> 0:36:34.759 was like, Okay, well, what are my parents gonna think that? 0:36:34.840 --> 0:36:36.359 Maybe it just hit her and then you know, some 0:36:36.360 --> 0:36:39.200 people just say things and then it's kind of too late. 0:36:39.239 --> 0:36:40.880 And that's what I spoke to her about a little 0:36:41.000 --> 0:36:43.200 prior to going on to the marriad of medicine and 0:36:43.239 --> 0:36:45.000 all that situation, right, because. 0:36:44.800 --> 0:36:47.040 I was like, why do you you said something? 0:36:47.040 --> 0:36:49.440 Because literally I called her and I was like, this 0:36:49.600 --> 0:36:51.480 is why one of the reasons why I really don't 0:36:51.520 --> 0:36:53.759 want to go on here, right, I don't mind, but 0:36:53.800 --> 0:36:54.440 I don't want to. 0:36:54.440 --> 0:36:57.359 Why do you dig a hole for yourself? Is it? 0:36:57.400 --> 0:36:59.800 When she told people y'all been in high school. 0:37:00.200 --> 0:37:03.000 It's like she says something about the reason why I 0:37:03.080 --> 0:37:05.680 wasn't at Aden's birthday. 0:37:05.280 --> 0:37:08.439 Is because I was out of town. Dude, why didn't 0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:10.480 you just tell the truth and say we've had multiple 0:37:10.520 --> 0:37:11.360 birthday parties. 0:37:11.840 --> 0:37:13.719 That was for the TV. That was for you guys, 0:37:15.120 --> 0:37:17.880 like what are you doing? But see when you do that, 0:37:18.040 --> 0:37:21.919 then it causes more scrutiny. It causes for people to say, hmm, 0:37:21.920 --> 0:37:24.040 well how is that when I just seen him over here, 0:37:25.280 --> 0:37:25.560 you know. 0:37:25.560 --> 0:37:27.400 Which is why you have to address it with Toya 0:37:27.480 --> 0:37:31.080 on the reunion. Yeah, like you know, so I just 0:37:31.120 --> 0:37:33.600 think that she finds herself in this situation. 0:37:33.719 --> 0:37:36.040 Yes, it's okay to protect certain things, but you don't 0:37:36.040 --> 0:37:39.520 have to protect everything. You know, It's okay to be authentic. 0:37:39.560 --> 0:37:42.200 It's okay to let you've already been what on TV 0:37:42.239 --> 0:37:46.800 over ten years, ups and downs, husband went to prison, 0:37:46.960 --> 0:37:48.799 You had your kids then, so I saw you had 0:37:48.800 --> 0:37:49.440 a kid out of way. 0:37:49.480 --> 0:37:51.320 You're not going to be discredited as a person. 0:37:51.360 --> 0:37:55.000 Shit happens. Everybody is human. You're entitled to a mistake. 0:37:55.040 --> 0:37:57.320 You should, you know, Like, right now, I'm trying to 0:37:57.320 --> 0:37:59.760 get out of a mistake. The stuff that hit on TMZ. 0:38:00.160 --> 0:38:01.400 Some mistake should happens. 0:38:01.960 --> 0:38:02.640 Well, that's the thing. 0:38:02.760 --> 0:38:05.000 Well, the thing is this, Obviously, what I loved about 0:38:05.000 --> 0:38:07.879 you and Phedra working with you guys was the fact 0:38:07.880 --> 0:38:12.400 that this you two came on the show and brought 0:38:13.000 --> 0:38:17.080 something so relatable right that people just don't talk about 0:38:17.160 --> 0:38:21.200 or they don't show. I know tons of women who 0:38:21.320 --> 0:38:26.520 are professionals, whether are lawyers, doctors, whatever, and oftentimes their 0:38:26.600 --> 0:38:31.080 husband may have a pass that includes incarceration because at 0:38:31.120 --> 0:38:33.120 the end of the day, black men are. 0:38:32.960 --> 0:38:35.839 Not set up in this country to win, right. We're 0:38:35.880 --> 0:38:37.160 just not. We're not. 0:38:37.800 --> 0:38:41.880 And I give Faedra credit for looking at your soul 0:38:42.960 --> 0:38:45.680 and all of this and saying to herself, you know 0:38:45.719 --> 0:38:48.120 what I'm saying, like, I want to give this a chance. 0:38:48.160 --> 0:38:52.560 Despite me being this esteem accredited attorney, I'm going to 0:38:52.640 --> 0:38:55.879 follow my heart break off my engagement, be. 0:38:55.920 --> 0:38:59.279 With this man and choose that life. You know what 0:38:59.280 --> 0:38:59.640 I'm saying. 0:38:59.719 --> 0:39:02.239 So what we saw on the show to me was 0:39:02.239 --> 0:39:04.839 something relatable. But I am with you. I think the 0:39:04.840 --> 0:39:08.480 thing with Phedra that I think us as the audience 0:39:08.560 --> 0:39:14.359 is like, well, even watching Mariti Medicine and when she said, oh, 0:39:14.360 --> 0:39:18.160 I met Paula in high school and it's like, we know, 0:39:18.360 --> 0:39:22.200 y'all have a cute little age difference. So I think 0:39:22.200 --> 0:39:26.080 it's stuff like that that bothers people because it's like 0:39:26.160 --> 0:39:28.440 you got to say all that like we you're a girl, 0:39:28.480 --> 0:39:31.319 an ass woman. It was like Apollo was fourteen and 0:39:31.360 --> 0:39:33.560 you were eighteen, you know what I mean? So I 0:39:33.600 --> 0:39:36.840 definitely understand where you're coming from with that. When it 0:39:36.880 --> 0:39:40.080 came to the Housewise, when y'all came on the show, it, 0:39:40.880 --> 0:39:45.200 I mean, eyeballs were on the two of you because 0:39:45.200 --> 0:39:49.439 it was you both are scorpios, which inherently means you're 0:39:49.480 --> 0:39:52.760 you're private people, but you're on the biggest show on Bravo, 0:39:52.960 --> 0:39:56.080 is the number one show on Bravo, and then your 0:39:56.160 --> 0:40:01.839 life has changed drastically and then and it became a 0:40:01.880 --> 0:40:05.759 big story about your marriage, so much so that when 0:40:05.840 --> 0:40:12.000 Kenya Mare came on the show, was that something you 0:40:12.040 --> 0:40:19.560 were surprised that people really took this flirtiness? 0:40:19.719 --> 0:40:20.000 Would you? 0:40:20.280 --> 0:40:23.400 What would you say about what you and Kenya's friendship 0:40:23.440 --> 0:40:25.919 were when you first met her on the show? 0:40:27.680 --> 0:40:34.319 Were you attracted to Kenya when you met her? I 0:40:34.360 --> 0:40:36.480 thought that she was really a dope person, like super 0:40:36.480 --> 0:40:38.440 cool when we first met. I think it was with 0:40:38.719 --> 0:40:40.680 Walter at the Grand Prix. 0:40:40.760 --> 0:40:42.439 That was the very first time that I met her, 0:40:42.719 --> 0:40:45.359 and you know, I've seen her around and stuff like that, 0:40:45.400 --> 0:40:47.560 but this is my first time like interacted. What I 0:40:47.600 --> 0:40:49.319 really liked about I thought that she just had a 0:40:49.360 --> 0:40:52.400 good soul, a good person based on like just super 0:40:52.440 --> 0:40:54.400 funny and it wasn't like in a flirty way. 0:40:54.440 --> 0:40:56.399 I was like, oh, I could vibe with that, Like, you. 0:40:56.360 --> 0:40:57.839 Know, she seemed like one of the one of the 0:40:57.880 --> 0:41:00.480 authentic people that if we have to film with people 0:41:00.480 --> 0:41:02.239 and all this, like it could be a jokey like 0:41:02.280 --> 0:41:04.960 a cool situation and some people might have thought, like 0:41:05.000 --> 0:41:08.000 it might be flirtatious or something like that. It started 0:41:08.000 --> 0:41:11.719 out as being she's competitive as hell. It started off 0:41:11.760 --> 0:41:13.919 by that. That's what really was like, because I'm super 0:41:13.920 --> 0:41:16.279 competitive and I'm just like okay, And it started out 0:41:16.320 --> 0:41:18.279 on the golf thing, a little put put thing, and 0:41:18.280 --> 0:41:20.520 then some other things like and I was like I 0:41:20.520 --> 0:41:22.480 can rock with this person, like but not in a 0:41:22.719 --> 0:41:25.000 sexual way or nothing like that. At first, the chemistry 0:41:25.040 --> 0:41:27.239 was good. Now was she attractive you very much? 0:41:27.239 --> 0:41:29.960 So you know, did you did you know who she 0:41:30.239 --> 0:41:32.200 was based on her being missus? 0:41:32.280 --> 0:41:33.480 Ay? 0:41:33.520 --> 0:41:36.319 Yeah, I knew, But like I say that didn't all 0:41:36.400 --> 0:41:39.120 come together as far as the knowledge until putting it. 0:41:39.160 --> 0:41:41.319 I've seen her out and about, and I've seen her 0:41:41.400 --> 0:41:42.719 like in the media and stuff like that, but I 0:41:42.760 --> 0:41:44.560 didn't put two and two together until. 0:41:44.280 --> 0:41:48.239 After the fact, and I said, oh, wow, okay, so 0:41:49.800 --> 0:41:55.239 I don't think I think, man, she made it clear 0:41:55.400 --> 0:41:58.200 that she was attracted to me. I mean kind I mean, 0:41:58.239 --> 0:41:59.399 she kind of said it, you. 0:41:59.320 --> 0:42:01.840 Know, says a Paula is kind of fine. Yeah, you 0:42:01.920 --> 0:42:03.640 felt that she was letting you know that she was 0:42:03.680 --> 0:42:04.400 attracted to you. 0:42:08.760 --> 0:42:09.520 Yeah, I think so. 0:42:09.680 --> 0:42:12.000 But I wasn't using that as a as like a 0:42:12.000 --> 0:42:14.120 as a toy or a pond, you know, to put 0:42:14.160 --> 0:42:16.520 on the board and move it around. It was just like, okay, cool, 0:42:16.560 --> 0:42:18.880 you know she verbalized it. I mean I was like, 0:42:18.960 --> 0:42:20.680 I just kept it to myself. So she's a nice 0:42:20.680 --> 0:42:23.160 looking woman. I just kept it to myself. She verbalized it, But. 0:42:25.560 --> 0:42:28.720 I just thought that she she had a good, good personality, 0:42:29.239 --> 0:42:30.600 is what is what I liked about it. 0:42:31.840 --> 0:42:36.319 When did you realize your wife had a problem with 0:42:36.520 --> 0:42:38.160 your friendship with Kenya? 0:42:41.960 --> 0:42:47.160 Well, I realized it when I think I saw Kenya 0:42:47.200 --> 0:42:50.919 doing an interview or something, and I know that during 0:42:50.920 --> 0:42:53.239 that time, a lot of new people, so you learn 0:42:53.280 --> 0:42:56.400 a lot in this business. And just backing up a 0:42:56.440 --> 0:42:59.880 little bit while being on this show, you know, in hindsight, 0:43:00.120 --> 0:43:01.440 there's a lot of things I'm sure you wish you 0:43:01.440 --> 0:43:05.040 would have did different and or and then you learn 0:43:05.080 --> 0:43:07.279 from it. When you get the opportunity again, you can 0:43:07.280 --> 0:43:08.440 implement those changes. 0:43:09.960 --> 0:43:10.879 For me the same thing. 0:43:10.920 --> 0:43:12.560 And I think we we skimmed over a little bit 0:43:13.680 --> 0:43:17.279 prior to doing this interview about how, you know, just 0:43:17.719 --> 0:43:19.960 having that person, you know, I think when you come 0:43:20.000 --> 0:43:22.840 new into the celebrity or new into a platform, you 0:43:22.880 --> 0:43:24.719 need that person that can kind of coach you and 0:43:24.760 --> 0:43:27.440 guide you and let you understand, okay, whether if it's 0:43:27.480 --> 0:43:30.160 product placement or whether it's you know, working the proper 0:43:30.200 --> 0:43:33.200 contract or what to say, what not to say, you know, 0:43:34.120 --> 0:43:36.239 pr or whatever. And then some people don't even have 0:43:36.400 --> 0:43:39.000 the revenue to afford things like that, so then you 0:43:39.000 --> 0:43:41.640 don't want to find yourself and you know, being misrepresented 0:43:41.680 --> 0:43:44.160 and so forth. But I say that to say that 0:43:45.040 --> 0:43:49.880 I wish that, you know, we would have been better coached. 0:43:50.360 --> 0:43:52.680 But see, I think I think I was thinking that 0:43:52.760 --> 0:43:54.799 you know, phased the fact that she was, you know, 0:43:54.840 --> 0:43:57.520 IP attorney during that time that she had this whole 0:43:57.560 --> 0:43:59.800 thing kind of mapped out, because I did go I 0:43:59.840 --> 0:44:01.920 signed on that dotted line based on the fact that 0:44:01.960 --> 0:44:04.160 we're signing as a family, and we're doing this as 0:44:04.200 --> 0:44:06.920 a family, You're gonna protect me and cultivate me. 0:44:06.960 --> 0:44:09.760 And like vice versa, right, And that wasn't the case. 0:44:10.560 --> 0:44:13.080 But that's that's later down the line, maybe in this interview. 0:44:13.120 --> 0:44:17.960 But when I saw can you do her interview? I 0:44:17.960 --> 0:44:18.840 thought she did well. 0:44:19.239 --> 0:44:20.920 And she's already been down that road before, but I 0:44:20.960 --> 0:44:22.680 thought she really did well and how she answered the 0:44:22.719 --> 0:44:25.120 questions and so forth, and I thought, you know, you know, 0:44:25.160 --> 0:44:26.960 I look sometimes at the shows and I said, oh, man, 0:44:27.000 --> 0:44:29.600 that makeups looks good, or you know, you learn these things, right. 0:44:29.520 --> 0:44:31.279 Okay, well that man that makeup, don't look at the 0:44:31.360 --> 0:44:32.640 camera's not hitting that right. 0:44:32.480 --> 0:44:34.239 You know, you look at all this stuff, right, So 0:44:34.280 --> 0:44:36.120 I thought, you know, everything was good, but it wasn't 0:44:36.160 --> 0:44:36.440 in like. 0:44:36.400 --> 0:44:37.439 A flirtatious way. 0:44:37.680 --> 0:44:40.760 So I said, I sent her a message and I said, 0:44:41.000 --> 0:44:43.440 you did well, So I like you dressed you did well. 0:44:43.920 --> 0:44:46.320 And I think she responded back thanks blah blah blah, 0:44:46.320 --> 0:44:46.840 and phaser. 0:44:46.920 --> 0:44:51.839 Seeing that, I think I believe she said thank you, babe. Right, 0:44:52.680 --> 0:44:55.400 I don't remember, but okay, let's just say she did. Right. 0:44:56.440 --> 0:44:59.560 Fader didn't take kind to that, but here it is 0:45:00.160 --> 0:45:03.680 is now. I don't know if that was in I mean, 0:45:03.680 --> 0:45:06.120 some people might say that was inappropriate. I didn't think 0:45:06.120 --> 0:45:07.600 it was inappropriate. I mean, hell, we're all on this 0:45:07.640 --> 0:45:09.000 platform together, right, we're all. 0:45:09.280 --> 0:45:11.200 How did pay to see that? You go through your phone? 0:45:11.680 --> 0:45:14.319 She went through the phone while you were asleep. No, 0:45:14.480 --> 0:45:15.160 we were right there. 0:45:16.680 --> 0:45:18.120 Well, we were kind of like laying there and I 0:45:18.200 --> 0:45:20.800 was like whatever, and she I think something happened. 0:45:20.800 --> 0:45:22.400 I just know a shoe came flying by me and 0:45:22.440 --> 0:45:26.440 the guy and then shoe hit the hit the wall. Yeah, 0:45:26.880 --> 0:45:28.320 like she literally threw the shoe at me through a 0:45:28.400 --> 0:45:33.360 high hill at me. Wait what Yeah, she's seen it 0:45:33.400 --> 0:45:36.200 and through the high hill and uh yeah, I had 0:45:36.239 --> 0:45:38.920 my back turned. So she's back there, and I'm so 0:45:39.000 --> 0:45:40.640 I sleep on the side of the bed that's closer 0:45:40.680 --> 0:45:41.160 to the wall. 0:45:41.520 --> 0:45:42.799 I don't know if you remember that house. Did you 0:45:42.840 --> 0:45:46.480 go to the yes, yeah, and the one and bucket 0:45:46.520 --> 0:45:47.799 the one in yes. 0:45:48.160 --> 0:45:48.359 Yeah. 0:45:48.840 --> 0:45:51.640 So that's like a little area goes straight to the 0:45:51.640 --> 0:45:54.279 bed when you come in. So I was sitting on 0:45:54.320 --> 0:45:56.359 that side, and that whole open area is over there, 0:45:56.400 --> 0:46:00.480 so she threw the shoe and and then it goes 0:46:00.520 --> 0:46:03.520 down from there, and I'm just like, and then that's 0:46:03.600 --> 0:46:06.000 I guess that fueled her to say, why are you 0:46:06.000 --> 0:46:08.719 you know, doing this with my husband? Da da da da? 0:46:08.760 --> 0:46:10.560 And then Kenya goes on the defense like what are 0:46:10.560 --> 0:46:11.040 you talking about? 0:46:11.040 --> 0:46:11.080 It? 0:46:11.600 --> 0:46:14.640 At first it was like, then it just gets a 0:46:14.640 --> 0:46:16.520 little more deeper and deeper. 0:46:17.080 --> 0:46:20.799 You know, it definitely got deeper, so much so that 0:46:21.200 --> 0:46:26.520 obviously you know when you guys were in Anguilla and 0:46:26.640 --> 0:46:28.360 you threw Kenya in the pool. 0:46:28.760 --> 0:46:31.759 No, that's not how that happened. Okay, that's not how 0:46:31.800 --> 0:46:34.000 I was. I didn't work that season. You tell me 0:46:34.080 --> 0:46:35.799 you run it back ahead, talk to me. 0:46:35.840 --> 0:46:41.720 I'm there, chilling, all out, chilling there, Greg niney rest 0:46:41.719 --> 0:46:45.680 in peace. They're over there. Uh Fhager's over there with 0:46:45.719 --> 0:46:50.120 them in the cabana portioning cradels over here, and I 0:46:50.120 --> 0:46:52.400 don't know, Peter's somewhere right there, and I'm there chilling 0:46:52.480 --> 0:46:53.320 talking to the guys. 0:46:53.440 --> 0:46:56.200 She walks by and she pushes me in the pool. 0:46:56.640 --> 0:46:58.480 Mm hmm, that's what she did. 0:46:59.400 --> 0:47:02.120 And then you know, she makes her little side eye 0:47:02.520 --> 0:47:04.360 and she does her little comments under her breath. I 0:47:04.360 --> 0:47:06.719 don't know what she's saying, right, but the camera's called it. 0:47:07.160 --> 0:47:10.359 And so I get oh, it's game on, playtime, let's 0:47:10.400 --> 0:47:13.880 go all competitive. Yeah, So I get out the pool 0:47:14.080 --> 0:47:17.040 and quite naturally, she's going in that water. So that's 0:47:17.080 --> 0:47:19.320 when I scooped her up and we jumped in the pool. 0:47:20.040 --> 0:47:21.799 So it wasn't like I just gonna come and pick 0:47:21.880 --> 0:47:24.960 this woman up and she she got a man there 0:47:24.960 --> 0:47:26.560 and I'm just gonna throw in the water. No, I'm 0:47:26.600 --> 0:47:29.000 not that you know that raising but you know I 0:47:29.000 --> 0:47:34.480 could be, but not that night, so that I mean, 0:47:34.520 --> 0:47:39.120 you know, so people, you know, they I didn't see 0:47:39.120 --> 0:47:41.000 anything wrong with man. We were all having a good time. 0:47:41.000 --> 0:47:44.439 People were drinking more on vacation, come on, but hey, 0:47:44.480 --> 0:47:46.279 it's for the tvous reality TV, right. 0:47:46.320 --> 0:47:48.000 Well, I think a lot of it had to do 0:47:48.040 --> 0:47:50.480 with the fact that, you know, listen, it was evident 0:47:50.680 --> 0:47:56.240 that and listen, what started was a healthy conversation amongst 0:47:56.239 --> 0:48:01.920 couples was appropriate or inappropriate, so much so that I again, 0:48:02.040 --> 0:48:04.839 correct me if I'm wrong. I do believe Kenya texts 0:48:04.880 --> 0:48:07.720 you thank you, babe, and a lot of women said 0:48:08.000 --> 0:48:10.799 a single woman should never text a married man the 0:48:10.840 --> 0:48:14.560 word babe, and Kenya has apologized for that, right because. 0:48:14.320 --> 0:48:15.600 Again is what you said. 0:48:15.680 --> 0:48:19.600 We were learning how to navigate through this, and I 0:48:19.640 --> 0:48:23.279 also think you just learned, like I'm being competitive to 0:48:23.400 --> 0:48:26.800 this woman because you know, she pushed me in the pool. First, 0:48:27.080 --> 0:48:29.879 I'm gonna get her back, and my wife is there, 0:48:29.920 --> 0:48:32.200 so I'm not trying to do anything, you know, because 0:48:32.239 --> 0:48:35.280 my wife is there. But then it became something crazy 0:48:35.440 --> 0:48:42.640 when conversations started to occur where you accuse Kenya of 0:48:42.680 --> 0:48:47.480 trying to suck your dick, and that's when things became. 0:48:47.920 --> 0:48:50.360 That's not funny but crazy. I was thinking about some 0:48:50.400 --> 0:48:51.080 other stuff too. 0:48:51.760 --> 0:48:56.600 Did you tell Faedra that because you wanted to just 0:48:56.719 --> 0:48:59.200 get her off your case and get the hell out 0:48:59.200 --> 0:48:59.759 of your head? 0:49:00.640 --> 0:49:10.799 Well, a couple of things, if we're I didn't know 0:49:12.239 --> 0:49:16.640 that the show was going to get so convoluted and 0:49:16.719 --> 0:49:18.400 that it was going to be like an eye for 0:49:18.440 --> 0:49:21.040 an eye and everybody's gonna do that, because that's not 0:49:21.160 --> 0:49:25.759 because if you recall like the very first the first year, right, 0:49:26.239 --> 0:49:29.439 I was there, but I wasn't really there, true, right, 0:49:29.760 --> 0:49:32.320 So I didn't. It wasn't until like maybe something happened 0:49:32.320 --> 0:49:34.440 at one of the reunions where it was like I 0:49:34.480 --> 0:49:37.160 think Stephen was he was back there and he was like, 0:49:37.480 --> 0:49:42.120 says something to me, like something like you can talk 0:49:42.360 --> 0:49:43.920 or something like that. He was making a joke and 0:49:44.040 --> 0:49:47.279 was like, dude, why don't you express yourself? Like how 0:49:47.280 --> 0:49:49.759 come you just always stay dormant? He was like, man, 0:49:49.800 --> 0:49:53.440 you did really well, like why aren't you speaking? And 0:49:53.520 --> 0:49:56.440 I was just like, well, you know, fuck it out 0:49:57.080 --> 0:49:59.279 all right, cool, Okay, I'll do better next time, yes, 0:50:00.400 --> 0:50:02.799 And so I started coming out of my shell a 0:50:02.800 --> 0:50:05.800 little more, and I didn't know that it was gonna 0:50:05.840 --> 0:50:07.680 be to the point where everybody is going to just 0:50:07.719 --> 0:50:10.200 try to, you know, rip your soul out and always 0:50:10.280 --> 0:50:13.760 take you know, and take everything for face value. 0:50:14.280 --> 0:50:17.480 And so when we were having just like I say, 0:50:17.480 --> 0:50:18.359 if all of us went on. 0:50:18.360 --> 0:50:21.040 Vacation and we're friends per se, and we're all friends, 0:50:21.160 --> 0:50:23.120 and we all dying together, we all go out together, 0:50:23.120 --> 0:50:24.840 we all do these things together. I wouldn't have a 0:50:24.880 --> 0:50:28.399 problem if if my wife said, babe to you are 0:50:28.640 --> 0:50:29.840 if you and her were. 0:50:29.760 --> 0:50:30.560 I got homeboys. 0:50:30.600 --> 0:50:33.600 Now like shoot me and Sharen has gotten into situations 0:50:33.600 --> 0:50:36.759 and I'm some man might find it messed up, right, 0:50:36.960 --> 0:50:39.560 My boys will take make sure that my wife is okay, 0:50:39.600 --> 0:50:41.000 give her a car to drive to come home and 0:50:41.040 --> 0:50:43.880 she drunk, take care of whatever. Because we're friends, so 0:50:43.920 --> 0:50:45.919 I don't think nothing about it. And if she calls 0:50:45.960 --> 0:50:48.440 them babe or says, oh you look good, babe or whatever, 0:50:48.560 --> 0:50:49.960 I don't. I don't look at that. 0:50:50.000 --> 0:50:52.080 It's funny because I mean, my relationship is a little 0:50:52.080 --> 0:50:54.560 different my friends. The way we roll is different. I 0:50:54.600 --> 0:50:57.600 don't I don't feel intimidated by anything like that. But 0:50:58.040 --> 0:50:59.080 now on the other side of. 0:50:59.080 --> 0:51:04.200 It, when we're at that reunion, I wouldn't have said nothing. 0:51:05.080 --> 0:51:07.640 It's like this, I've let by guns be bygones, I 0:51:07.719 --> 0:51:11.399 let everything be chill. But when Kenya she did open 0:51:11.440 --> 0:51:14.760 her mouth and start saying stuff about I've been texting 0:51:14.840 --> 0:51:17.160 her and although stop your man from texting me and 0:51:17.239 --> 0:51:22.160 da da da da. Nah, you don't do that because 0:51:22.320 --> 0:51:25.200 there was did anybody look at the text messages. 0:51:24.800 --> 0:51:26.320 And see what was all in the text messages? 0:51:26.800 --> 0:51:28.000 There could have been a lot of things that was 0:51:28.000 --> 0:51:31.759 inappropriate in the messages, okay, but once you put that 0:51:31.840 --> 0:51:33.200 out there, that's when I said. 0:51:33.000 --> 0:51:34.439 Okay, all gloves are off. 0:51:34.520 --> 0:51:37.120 You know what Okay, since we're gonna put on we're 0:51:37.160 --> 0:51:39.040 on this TV show and y'all want to act stupid, 0:51:39.280 --> 0:51:40.279 let's act stupid. 0:51:40.600 --> 0:51:42.399 Since that's what you want to do. Okay, I'm gonna 0:51:42.400 --> 0:51:42.839 give it to you. 0:51:43.320 --> 0:51:44.839 First of all, you shouldn't have opened your mouth and said 0:51:44.840 --> 0:51:46.880 nothing about You shouldn't have said nothing that. You should 0:51:46.880 --> 0:51:48.520 have just left that out and y'all just argue about 0:51:48.520 --> 0:51:49.479 whatever y'all arguing about. 0:51:49.600 --> 0:51:52.400 But now you feel like you Yeah, you came from me. 0:51:52.440 --> 0:51:53.240 I'm sitting back. 0:51:53.080 --> 0:51:54.600 Here on the chair or wherever I was that right 0:51:54.640 --> 0:51:57.280 there on the side. Dude, you should have never opened 0:51:57.320 --> 0:52:00.000 your mouth because I didn't open my mouth about you. 0:52:00.640 --> 0:52:01.480 I didn't say nothing. 0:52:01.760 --> 0:52:04.600 I didn't say I've never said anything about you. You 0:52:04.680 --> 0:52:07.920 started it, not me. That's how I felt about it. 0:52:07.960 --> 0:52:09.920 So you felt it was an eye for an eye 0:52:10.000 --> 0:52:13.719 going back to this competitiveness like you did this. I'm 0:52:13.760 --> 0:52:17.600 going to get at you. And is that the reason 0:52:17.640 --> 0:52:21.400 why you did lie about what she was trying to 0:52:21.400 --> 0:52:21.879 offer you. 0:52:22.320 --> 0:52:27.360 Yeah, that's the reason. But also it was also a 0:52:27.360 --> 0:52:31.239 lot of it was calculated too, because this is why 0:52:31.280 --> 0:52:35.400 if you look at the whole thing, Okay, and people 0:52:35.480 --> 0:52:38.879 can everyone has an opinion. I feel like a lot 0:52:38.920 --> 0:52:41.320 of that ride, A lot of that ride was based 0:52:41.320 --> 0:52:44.640 on her notoriety. I think a lot of that came 0:52:44.680 --> 0:52:48.520 with the coreum between her and Phaeder. Right, Oh, that 0:52:48.640 --> 0:52:50.600 was a beef, right me. 0:52:51.800 --> 0:52:56.840 Then after that post that, it came the infidelity situation 0:52:57.640 --> 0:52:59.080 that rode on for a whole season. 0:52:59.560 --> 0:53:02.360 I go to prison. So the part that this is 0:53:02.360 --> 0:53:02.959 the other part. 0:53:03.440 --> 0:53:07.480 So how I turned around and I'm thinking about the longevity, 0:53:07.960 --> 0:53:10.719 about Phaser, about the longevity of the show, about her 0:53:10.800 --> 0:53:13.680 still having a staple in the program. So the best 0:53:13.680 --> 0:53:16.040 thing I can do is it's a ripple effect and 0:53:16.080 --> 0:53:18.000 people don't see that, but you have to put you 0:53:18.040 --> 0:53:19.880 have to put those pieces out there, and you have 0:53:19.960 --> 0:53:23.480 to look long term. So I looked at it when 0:53:23.520 --> 0:53:25.399 I made that statement, and I did what I did 0:53:25.440 --> 0:53:28.160 because it was part of it was calculated. So when 0:53:28.160 --> 0:53:29.680 I do what I when I did what I did, 0:53:29.760 --> 0:53:32.360 I'm looking three four seasons down the line, like this 0:53:32.480 --> 0:53:35.360 can't just cut off like this, There's no way. So 0:53:35.560 --> 0:53:38.040 now by me going to prison and me telling everybody 0:53:38.239 --> 0:53:40.960 at Peter's restaurant at the bar one that this was 0:53:41.000 --> 0:53:42.560 all a lie, then I said, what the fuck? 0:53:43.040 --> 0:53:45.399 Okay, it's a lie. Now, oh shit. 0:53:46.040 --> 0:53:49.400 So now once I go outside and I apologize to Kenya, 0:53:49.480 --> 0:53:51.200 now here you go all this other shit and then 0:53:51.239 --> 0:53:53.000 people don't really know if it's true or not true. 0:53:53.560 --> 0:53:54.399 So then here you go. 0:53:54.640 --> 0:53:57.120 Now everybody's gonna talk about this, talk about that, and 0:53:57.160 --> 0:53:58.000 then I gotta go. 0:53:58.680 --> 0:54:01.600 I'm going to weigh her. Phaser can figure it out 0:54:01.760 --> 0:54:03.400 down the line, whatever whatever. 0:54:04.440 --> 0:54:06.680 So you were trying to set up Phedra to have 0:54:06.760 --> 0:54:09.359 staying power on the show. You knew you were going 0:54:09.400 --> 0:54:12.160 away because one thing about the night of Bar one. 0:54:12.239 --> 0:54:18.400 I remember talking to you and you felt like, I 0:54:18.560 --> 0:54:22.080 just want to clear the air before I go in, yep, 0:54:22.440 --> 0:54:24.799 And you were like, lows, I want to say this 0:54:24.840 --> 0:54:29.279 to her. And Faedia wasn't there that night, and you 0:54:29.320 --> 0:54:33.759 know you have the courage to, you know, admit that 0:54:33.800 --> 0:54:36.239 to Kenya, who at the time. 0:54:36.080 --> 0:54:37.359 She said she felt that. 0:54:38.800 --> 0:54:42.160 She had like this scarlet letter on her, that she 0:54:42.320 --> 0:54:45.239 was somebody who would offer filatio to marry man. 0:54:45.960 --> 0:54:48.879 And I believe what she said. 0:54:48.960 --> 0:54:55.799 I'm paraphrasing, but she she felt like the world thought 0:54:55.920 --> 0:54:57.600 she was that type of woman who would do that 0:54:57.640 --> 0:55:01.600 to a marry man. Kudos to you, obviously, you know, 0:55:01.840 --> 0:55:05.520 admitting to it, A lot of people did want to know. 0:55:06.280 --> 0:55:07.880 If Faeder put you up to that. 0:55:08.480 --> 0:55:14.879 No, you did that all in around, and she believed it. 0:55:16.680 --> 0:55:20.239 Oh yeah, she believed that part. Yeah, she believed. 0:55:19.880 --> 0:55:24.160 It because I mean I just stood my I just 0:55:24.160 --> 0:55:24.960 stood my ground. 0:55:25.400 --> 0:55:30.080 I stood my ground, you you know, and you know 0:55:30.200 --> 0:55:32.759 I still felt how I still felt, how I felt 0:55:32.840 --> 0:55:35.319 about You know, a man knows how far I think 0:55:35.320 --> 0:55:38.400 he can go with a woman, you know, given the 0:55:38.560 --> 0:55:39.560 given the circumstance. 0:55:42.560 --> 0:55:45.399 Again, I don't think and I'm not minimizing it. I'm 0:55:45.400 --> 0:55:49.319 not saying it didn't hurt her, right. It might have 0:55:49.400 --> 0:55:53.640 hurt her emotionally, it didn't hurt her financially either one. 0:55:53.760 --> 0:55:54.759 Either one, either one. 0:55:54.880 --> 0:55:58.279 It hurt both of them emotionally, but financially it didn't 0:55:58.320 --> 0:56:01.560 hurt and for as their career, it didn't hurt. And 0:56:01.640 --> 0:56:05.520 you know, you're not gonna be who's looking at you interpersonally. 0:56:06.040 --> 0:56:08.480 If whatever your preference is and whatever you choose to 0:56:08.480 --> 0:56:11.760 do as an individual, who's looking at you whose opinion 0:56:11.840 --> 0:56:15.600 really matters, that's an interpersonal thing. So if someone's the 0:56:15.640 --> 0:56:18.919 world is looking at you as being a hormonger, looking 0:56:18.960 --> 0:56:21.400 at you as being a person who offers married men filatio. 0:56:22.960 --> 0:56:27.920 What are we talking about? Who says that? Who's really 0:56:27.960 --> 0:56:29.680 saying that to you? Nobody. 0:56:31.160 --> 0:56:33.760 You're just going by what might be in the media. 0:56:34.280 --> 0:56:37.000 You might go by what's being on the tweets at 0:56:37.000 --> 0:56:39.600 that time or the Instagram post or whatever it is 0:56:39.640 --> 0:56:43.720 the comments. But overall, I'm not saying I'm not negating 0:56:43.760 --> 0:56:45.719 the fact that the individual might have been hurt and 0:56:45.719 --> 0:56:46.719 felt humiliated. 0:56:46.840 --> 0:56:50.440 I'm not saying that. But but if I'm a married 0:56:50.480 --> 0:56:53.680 man and you know that I'm married, and you take 0:56:53.719 --> 0:56:56.800 a jab at me telling my wife on National TV, 0:56:56.920 --> 0:57:00.400 tell your husband to stop texting me or what whatever? 0:57:00.960 --> 0:57:03.560 That looks bad? What does that look like I'm doing? 0:57:04.200 --> 0:57:04.239 You? 0:57:04.600 --> 0:57:07.200 Did you consider that? Nobody considered that part. 0:57:07.440 --> 0:57:11.000 That's why I just did what I did and nipped 0:57:11.000 --> 0:57:12.879 it in the bud right then and there and just said, okay, 0:57:12.960 --> 0:57:13.759 let's go for this ride. 0:57:13.800 --> 0:57:16.480 Then let's go for this ride. Because you're already. 0:57:17.440 --> 0:57:19.880 If you're in a relationship and a person tells you 0:57:19.960 --> 0:57:24.240 that your significant other and our husband is texting me 0:57:25.800 --> 0:57:31.480 another person of interest, what are you gonna speculate? It 0:57:31.520 --> 0:57:32.320 ain't gonna be good. 0:57:33.720 --> 0:57:35.120 You're gonna speculate the worst. 0:57:35.960 --> 0:57:39.760 What happened after you guys were going home after the 0:57:39.800 --> 0:57:44.200 reunion when she said stop texting me because at that 0:57:44.280 --> 0:57:50.440 time Phaeder was pregnant and she obviously is dealing with 0:57:50.480 --> 0:57:54.720 the pregnancy, dealing being emotional. Was there an argument on 0:57:54.720 --> 0:57:56.800 the way home after the reunion? I'm like, are you 0:57:57.000 --> 0:58:00.360 what do you mean? You texted her stuff like that thing? 0:58:00.440 --> 0:58:03.760 Man, I was about to say, Sharin, No, so face 0:58:03.800 --> 0:58:07.360 your nine. We don't. We really didn't argue like that, 0:58:07.600 --> 0:58:10.840 you know, there was no there was. She says what 0:58:10.920 --> 0:58:12.440 she says, I say what I said. We more so 0:58:12.480 --> 0:58:14.640 would talk about certain things. First. 0:58:14.800 --> 0:58:16.440 No, there was some times that we would jump the gun, 0:58:16.440 --> 0:58:18.160 but we tried to work on that, Like, hey, before 0:58:18.440 --> 0:58:20.360 we just jumped the gun, let's just ask the question, 0:58:21.440 --> 0:58:23.360 Mari Nate. Because she's an attorney too, you got to 0:58:23.360 --> 0:58:25.720 think like she tries to be calculated as well. So 0:58:25.800 --> 0:58:28.560 it's like, okay, she might throw something out there, ask 0:58:28.600 --> 0:58:30.360 the questions like, all right, cool, you want to talk 0:58:30.360 --> 0:58:31.920 about it now, you want to answer it later, get 0:58:31.960 --> 0:58:36.760 your lie together, the type of thing, you know. But no, 0:58:36.920 --> 0:58:40.680 we didn't really discuss it at all. I mean, you 0:58:40.720 --> 0:58:42.160 think about what we're dealing with other things. We got 0:58:42.200 --> 0:58:44.480 a newborn coming in, we got to figure out other stuff. 0:58:44.480 --> 0:58:46.680 So it's just like, Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna stand 0:58:46.680 --> 0:58:47.240 on my ground. 0:58:47.480 --> 0:58:49.720 That's what it's gonna be. That's what it was. 0:58:50.600 --> 0:58:55.520 Because remember the text messages was back in I think 0:58:55.560 --> 0:58:57.160 it was whenever she was on that on the show 0:58:57.200 --> 0:58:58.760 when I said to shoot flying a question. 0:58:59.040 --> 0:59:00.680 So, but what we make her say that? 0:59:00.680 --> 0:59:03.840 At the reunion? Why would she throw me under the bus? 0:59:04.280 --> 0:59:06.200 She was mad at Phaser for what? What was the 0:59:07.160 --> 0:59:09.520 what was the topic of conversation. I think maybe Phaser 0:59:09.560 --> 0:59:11.800 said something about you want my man or something. I 0:59:11.800 --> 0:59:15.000 can't remember exactly how that started. 0:59:14.600 --> 0:59:21.000 But now you had a listen that season. 0:59:21.120 --> 0:59:27.120 So season seven is when you got sentenced and you 0:59:27.200 --> 0:59:31.080 were on the way of going to jail. During that 0:59:31.160 --> 0:59:36.600 season is when you discovered that your wife, speaking of texting, 0:59:36.680 --> 0:59:41.680 was texting another man that was labeled mister Chocolate. How 0:59:41.680 --> 0:59:44.080 did you find that out? You did you go through 0:59:44.080 --> 0:59:44.680 her phone too? 0:59:45.440 --> 0:59:50.040 See, yes, I went through her phone. I went through 0:59:50.080 --> 0:59:50.600 her phone. 0:59:52.000 --> 0:59:54.400 She used to safeguard her phone like it was like 0:59:54.480 --> 0:59:56.200 I don't know, man, kind of like they do down 0:59:56.280 --> 0:59:57.160 at the Federal Reserve. 0:59:57.240 --> 1:00:03.320 You know and uh, this particular day, Aiden had or 1:00:03.480 --> 1:00:05.680 no Dylan, so one of them had a rash. 1:00:06.000 --> 1:00:09.600 And you know, back when, I don't think people was 1:00:09.680 --> 1:00:11.880 just touching the iPhone and turning the camera on from 1:00:11.960 --> 1:00:13.720 the screen. They had to open the phone and go 1:00:13.800 --> 1:00:16.840 to the camera. I'm on camera the flashlight, not camera, 1:00:16.840 --> 1:00:20.200 the flashlight. So we were in the room back then, 1:00:20.240 --> 1:00:22.600 I don't think she wanted to turn the lights on, 1:00:22.720 --> 1:00:25.840 so she used the flashlight to look and it was like, 1:00:26.840 --> 1:00:30.160 I'll not forget this. So that morning we were going, 1:00:30.200 --> 1:00:32.160 I wanted to make sure that you know, my children 1:00:32.200 --> 1:00:33.880 travel a lot, and you know, both parents have to 1:00:33.920 --> 1:00:35.680 be present for the passport and all that stuff. 1:00:35.760 --> 1:00:36.840 So I did all the dogs. 1:00:36.880 --> 1:00:38.720 Want to make sure that all their passports were up 1:00:38.760 --> 1:00:40.920 to date while I was gone. While I was gone, 1:00:42.040 --> 1:00:44.600 so we had an appointment to go get the passports 1:00:44.640 --> 1:00:47.080 to go send the applications and stuff in at the 1:00:47.080 --> 1:00:50.920 post office. So while we're getting ready to go, I 1:00:50.960 --> 1:00:54.880 see the phone with the light on. It means the 1:00:54.880 --> 1:00:58.240 phone's open. She goes to the other room. I take 1:00:58.280 --> 1:01:02.160 the phone. I go upstairs. I go in Dylan's room. 1:01:02.880 --> 1:01:05.920 I hide off in there and I'm going through the phone, 1:01:06.400 --> 1:01:08.800 and I see all these messages with her and the 1:01:08.840 --> 1:01:12.520 guy flirting her, sending him these pictures and talking about 1:01:12.840 --> 1:01:13.040 you know. 1:01:13.120 --> 1:01:15.000 I mean it was all they showed it, all this 1:01:15.120 --> 1:01:15.680 all online. 1:01:15.720 --> 1:01:17.720 How she had a couple of drinks, she's feeling a 1:01:17.720 --> 1:01:20.360 certain way and I just unappropriate shit, and how she 1:01:20.400 --> 1:01:22.560 can't wait for me to leave. So I guess that 1:01:22.560 --> 1:01:24.240 they can do whatever they're doing. I mean, hell, that's 1:01:24.240 --> 1:01:26.640 what she texted, not me, you know. And I don't 1:01:26.640 --> 1:01:29.560 know if you remember I did that interview not too 1:01:29.560 --> 1:01:34.440 far from mirror. Yeah, so all and then at that 1:01:34.520 --> 1:01:36.800 point I came downstairs and I was like, I was 1:01:36.880 --> 1:01:40.120 pissed off at the same time, there's an agenda. So 1:01:40.160 --> 1:01:41.680 I told her mom. I said a couple of things 1:01:41.720 --> 1:01:44.120 to her mom. Her mom was in disbelief, said some 1:01:44.160 --> 1:01:46.480 things to her. We got in the car and handled 1:01:46.480 --> 1:01:48.400 our business. I didn't yell at her in the car, 1:01:48.520 --> 1:01:49.880 none of that stuff. I just said, you know what, 1:01:50.160 --> 1:01:53.160 we're gonna handle our shit. We'll deal with this like later. 1:01:53.600 --> 1:01:55.800 That's how you look at me, that's what you feel, okay, cool. 1:01:56.040 --> 1:01:59.000 I don't expect I really didn't have any expectations me 1:01:59.040 --> 1:02:00.560 going to prison. You what you gonna hold it down, 1:02:00.760 --> 1:02:03.960 You're gonna you know, I really didn't. 1:02:04.320 --> 1:02:06.800 I don't know what it feels like to know that 1:02:07.680 --> 1:02:10.920 in a matter of days you're going to be sentenced 1:02:10.920 --> 1:02:14.280 to prison for five years and what that does to 1:02:14.400 --> 1:02:18.600 a person's mental right. And that's why there's no judgment 1:02:18.680 --> 1:02:22.000 here how you handled it, because I have no idea 1:02:22.360 --> 1:02:24.080 what that feels like. I don't know what it's like 1:02:24.120 --> 1:02:28.040 to know you get sentenced, but you're you're able to, 1:02:29.160 --> 1:02:32.920 you know, be free in the world. But in the 1:02:33.000 --> 1:02:35.760 back of your mind, you know there's an end day 1:02:35.880 --> 1:02:37.280 of you being you know. 1:02:37.920 --> 1:02:42.400 It's like your interin. Let's just say, imagine this is 1:02:42.440 --> 1:02:44.640 your road and that this box right here and this 1:02:44.720 --> 1:02:47.720 is the cliff, right, So you're on this little. 1:02:47.720 --> 1:02:50.600 Train and it's echine, but you know it's evitable. You've 1:02:50.600 --> 1:02:52.600 got to get to the ends some point. Right it's 1:02:52.600 --> 1:02:54.480 inchin and you're gonna fall off, but you know that 1:02:54.880 --> 1:02:56.840 you're just kind of just doing what you're doing, living 1:02:57.320 --> 1:03:03.560 every day, basically surviving, but internal you're eating alive. And 1:03:03.600 --> 1:03:07.120 the problem is with that my relationship and my wife 1:03:07.160 --> 1:03:10.479 at the time, there was nothing cultivated. There's no love. 1:03:10.560 --> 1:03:12.360 It was dark, it was like you turned your back 1:03:12.400 --> 1:03:14.880 on me. That's how I felt. So when I mean what, 1:03:15.480 --> 1:03:18.560 I'm going to continue to feel that way. Why, Okay, 1:03:18.640 --> 1:03:20.800 let me tell you why. And that's how she thinks 1:03:20.840 --> 1:03:24.160 that Charene. There was a lot of infidelity and this 1:03:24.200 --> 1:03:27.000 person cheated and Scharene was sleeping with a marry man. 1:03:27.040 --> 1:03:29.760 That's not true. That's not true because what happened. I 1:03:29.800 --> 1:03:32.600 met a person through one of my good friends, my 1:03:32.640 --> 1:03:35.400 childhood friend, which was Scharen. I met her through Gordon 1:03:36.160 --> 1:03:41.680 and during that time, I met Sharene the second. That's 1:03:41.720 --> 1:03:44.080 when I think Beyonce and jay Z started doing the 1:03:44.080 --> 1:03:46.400 butt Fest in Philadelphia. That's like a big thing they do. 1:03:46.440 --> 1:03:49.320 They shut the whole Center city down or something like that. 1:03:49.720 --> 1:03:52.600 It's it's a big thing. And they got like ten stages. 1:03:52.640 --> 1:03:55.520 It's real big. So I meet her through my friend 1:03:55.920 --> 1:04:01.000 on September second of twenty twenty three, just as friends 1:04:01.040 --> 1:04:01.400 being out. 1:04:01.440 --> 1:04:04.600 There was nothing about it. You met her September second, 1:04:04.680 --> 1:04:09.439 twenty No, sorry, twenty thirteen. I'm sorry. Yeah, it's glad, 1:04:09.480 --> 1:04:14.720 glad you come, yeah, twenty thirteen, September second, I was 1:04:14.760 --> 1:04:18.160 already we were already going through stuff. Phaser and nine. 1:04:18.960 --> 1:04:22.000 It was already tromoltuous. We were already trying to figure 1:04:22.040 --> 1:04:25.360 out Even before we went and bought the house. We 1:04:25.360 --> 1:04:27.400 were thinking about, hey, is this the right thing to do? 1:04:28.240 --> 1:04:31.080 But then she gets pregnant with Dylan, It's like, okay, 1:04:32.200 --> 1:04:33.640 maybe we should work this out. 1:04:33.680 --> 1:04:37.840 Stick things in, let's just figure it out. So October 1:04:37.920 --> 1:04:41.840 thirteenth or October twelfth is when the Secret Service came, 1:04:42.880 --> 1:04:45.800 and that's when we knew, Okay, this is what's about 1:04:45.800 --> 1:04:46.200 to happen. 1:04:46.480 --> 1:04:50.880 Don't know when, but at some point, you know something's 1:04:50.920 --> 1:04:53.440 gonna shake. I mean I already knew that because once they, 1:04:53.800 --> 1:04:57.200 you know, did their little warrant and all that stuff. 1:04:57.240 --> 1:04:59.480 So when I first told Phaguer about it, she kind 1:04:59.480 --> 1:05:00.760 of just turned the blind eye to it. 1:05:01.880 --> 1:05:05.360 I'm like, this is serious. Oh whatever. 1:05:06.200 --> 1:05:08.960 So then life continues to go on, so I have 1:05:09.040 --> 1:05:13.320 no one to talk to. So once that happened, I 1:05:13.400 --> 1:05:17.360 jump on a plane. I go see my guy in Philly, 1:05:17.600 --> 1:05:20.600 and I went and I saw Cherene and we talked, 1:05:21.320 --> 1:05:26.800 and I laid on her couch and it was the 1:05:26.840 --> 1:05:28.080 warmest feeling ever. 1:05:28.920 --> 1:05:31.040 The couch or her body. No, at the couch. She 1:05:31.120 --> 1:05:32.959 was in the kitchen. She's a chef. 1:05:33.000 --> 1:05:34.520 She cooked, so she was in the kitchen but she 1:05:34.560 --> 1:05:36.720 was doing something and we were just talking and I 1:05:36.760 --> 1:05:37.640 just kind of shut down. 1:05:39.120 --> 1:05:41.200 I wasn't myself and she was like, what's wrong? 1:05:42.160 --> 1:05:45.320 And I just broke down and I was just telling 1:05:45.360 --> 1:05:48.200 her like, I feel really bad because I'm about It's 1:05:48.240 --> 1:05:50.960 not about what happened. Yes, I'm remorseful for that, but 1:05:51.080 --> 1:05:53.520 it was more so I'm about to leave my children. 1:05:54.080 --> 1:05:55.680 All I could think about is relationship that I had 1:05:55.720 --> 1:05:58.480 with Aiden. Dylan was one, but I was about to 1:05:58.520 --> 1:06:00.520 leave my little boy. You know, I'm about to leave 1:06:00.520 --> 1:06:03.760 me a little guy, and that's fucked up. He's gonna 1:06:03.800 --> 1:06:06.280 he needs me, Like this is fucked up. And that's 1:06:06.320 --> 1:06:08.560 how I felt. And then she was just like and 1:06:08.600 --> 1:06:10.400 I was like, man, it feels like my wife has 1:06:10.400 --> 1:06:11.920 just turned her back on me. I have no one 1:06:11.960 --> 1:06:13.880 to talk to. I don't want to throw my business 1:06:13.880 --> 1:06:14.840 out there in the streets. 1:06:15.320 --> 1:06:15.680 Okay. 1:06:16.120 --> 1:06:19.480 So at that point it was really two people. It 1:06:19.600 --> 1:06:21.200 was her and Gordon for the most part. 1:06:21.200 --> 1:06:23.040 That I was like, you know, confiding in and so 1:06:23.040 --> 1:06:24.800 if I have people, you know, people are like my guy, 1:06:25.120 --> 1:06:29.000 you know, Bun. He was supportive, but here it is 1:06:29.040 --> 1:06:30.720 I'm laying on the sofa and she just looks at 1:06:30.720 --> 1:06:32.400 me and she holds my hand and says, like, you know, 1:06:32.600 --> 1:06:35.080 just chill stop, you know, don't cry. It's gonna be okay. 1:06:35.120 --> 1:06:38.320 I'm your friend, she says, I'm here for you. 1:06:38.320 --> 1:06:40.960 You need me, I'm here for you. Cool. 1:06:41.560 --> 1:06:44.040 So all the time we would talk on the phone 1:06:44.080 --> 1:06:46.440 all the time. It was just more so like it 1:06:46.480 --> 1:06:49.880 was moral support. It's a lot of moral support. So 1:06:50.000 --> 1:06:53.080 then when the next episode came, I'm still talking to 1:06:53.120 --> 1:06:55.920 phase of trying to she's still not really trying to 1:06:55.960 --> 1:07:01.800 hear me out. I remember when I think the next 1:07:01.840 --> 1:07:05.640 thing was like an arraignment or something. She wasn't present. 1:07:06.280 --> 1:07:08.600 Then when it came time for you know, for the 1:07:08.640 --> 1:07:11.440 attorneys and stuff like that. You know, there was some 1:07:11.440 --> 1:07:14.000 some pivotal moments like she was she was present for that. 1:07:14.600 --> 1:07:19.160 You know, she was present for that. Financially, she helped out. 1:07:19.600 --> 1:07:22.360 But here it is collectively, we're we're husband and wife, right, 1:07:22.400 --> 1:07:25.720 We're supposed to share, right, everything is shared and so forth. 1:07:27.080 --> 1:07:28.959 So I felt a certain way about that. 1:07:31.640 --> 1:07:33.560 Then as it started getting a little thicker, because we're 1:07:33.560 --> 1:07:37.440 getting we're getting into it to fourteen now, and there's 1:07:37.520 --> 1:07:40.160 a couple of chain of events that occurred with you know, 1:07:40.560 --> 1:07:44.880 legally where she's not available, and at that point, I'm 1:07:44.920 --> 1:07:47.920 just like, man, you know what, this is not for me. 1:07:49.480 --> 1:07:51.920 You thought the marriage was at that point. 1:07:52.000 --> 1:07:56.400 So you've basically just your your image and your career 1:07:56.520 --> 1:07:59.400 is more important than what's going on right here. But 1:07:59.520 --> 1:08:03.439 remember you known me and all of this before, because 1:08:03.480 --> 1:08:06.000 remember we got on the show together. It's not like 1:08:06.040 --> 1:08:07.600 you got on the show then brought me on the show. No, 1:08:07.680 --> 1:08:11.600 collectively we made this. Yeah, you had the segue, you know, 1:08:12.080 --> 1:08:13.840 getting us on the show, but at the same time, 1:08:13.880 --> 1:08:17.280 it was collective effort. And I've been there from day one, 1:08:17.439 --> 1:08:19.840 day at the camera's roll, even on the interview day 1:08:19.840 --> 1:08:22.920 one at the office. So I just felt like you 1:08:23.000 --> 1:08:25.760 just started to just really turn and I really saw that. 1:08:26.120 --> 1:08:27.840 Let me tell you when I really really seen that 1:08:28.360 --> 1:08:30.799 is and I'm glad this happened. 1:08:31.400 --> 1:08:33.080 Was when. 1:08:34.400 --> 1:08:36.799 And nothing about like Sharene and my brother and everyone 1:08:37.640 --> 1:08:39.679 he was a support to. Michael was a big support. 1:08:39.920 --> 1:08:43.720 But when you got a person who takes you to 1:08:43.760 --> 1:08:47.320 prison to self surrender and that rids with you the 1:08:47.400 --> 1:08:51.519 whole time and it never waves every phone call, every visit, 1:08:51.680 --> 1:08:56.479 I mean from Kentucky to Jersey, you know, being in 1:08:56.520 --> 1:08:59.479 Atlanta and then being away from their child at the time, 1:08:59.520 --> 1:09:01.880 that goes a long way, you know, because they have 1:09:02.240 --> 1:09:05.000 obligations too, But then they're still committed as a friend. 1:09:05.040 --> 1:09:07.519 They're committed to their friend. And you got people out 1:09:07.520 --> 1:09:10.880 there that just like that, you know. When I came back, 1:09:12.200 --> 1:09:13.880 Oh and a matter of fact, and the same person 1:09:13.880 --> 1:09:16.120 that picks you up when it's time to go home, 1:09:16.640 --> 1:09:18.960 you know, So it goes a long way. But that 1:09:19.120 --> 1:09:20.920 day that I came to the house, the very last 1:09:20.960 --> 1:09:26.720 time that I was filmed on Bravo prior to me 1:09:26.760 --> 1:09:31.080 coming back, there was a Caucasian guy at the house. 1:09:31.080 --> 1:09:32.479 I don't know if he's a pr I don't know 1:09:32.479 --> 1:09:36.920 who he is. I don't know what someone's you know, 1:09:37.000 --> 1:09:42.160 put in this gentleman's head. This guy thought that somehow 1:09:42.160 --> 1:09:44.960 either Faser made me or that house belonged to her, 1:09:45.240 --> 1:09:47.559 that I'm just I don't know what he's conjured in 1:09:47.600 --> 1:09:49.280 his head, that I'm just some bum, that I don't 1:09:49.320 --> 1:09:52.040 have nothing. I don't know what he thought, but literally, 1:09:52.080 --> 1:09:54.880 this man tells her. He tells me to get out 1:09:54.920 --> 1:09:56.280 of my house. He tells me to get. 1:09:56.120 --> 1:09:58.160 Out number one. 1:09:58.920 --> 1:10:02.519 Okay, that's definitely not gonna happen, right, and then he 1:10:02.680 --> 1:10:04.960 tells her that this is not good for your career. 1:10:05.840 --> 1:10:09.080 You need to leave him. This is what this guy 1:10:09.120 --> 1:10:10.680 is saying right in my four yer, right there at 1:10:10.680 --> 1:10:14.479 the house jet in bucket. So you know, I got 1:10:14.520 --> 1:10:18.240 really aggressive, not really aggressive, but like verbally verbal with 1:10:18.280 --> 1:10:21.759 the guy, A stern, not aggressive stern. I said, listen, 1:10:21.760 --> 1:10:23.280 you know it's probably how about you get out of 1:10:23.320 --> 1:10:25.760 my house? How about you get out? You know, I 1:10:25.760 --> 1:10:29.200 don't I don't need your services or whatever whatever was said. 1:10:29.560 --> 1:10:33.080 And at that point it just clicked. I said, you 1:10:33.080 --> 1:10:36.960 know what, someone's been really putting things in your head, 1:10:37.479 --> 1:10:39.519 you know, because this doesn't really depict who you are, 1:10:39.600 --> 1:10:41.599 who I known you to be a long time ago. 1:10:41.720 --> 1:10:43.120 This is not the same person, but you. 1:10:43.040 --> 1:10:45.519 Said, it's not the same lawyer woman you met when 1:10:45.520 --> 1:10:48.519 you got out of jail and who accused herself from 1:10:48.520 --> 1:10:52.160 the case, who said to you, I'll be with you, 1:10:52.200 --> 1:10:55.960 but it's gonna be serious, dropped her engagement to be 1:10:56.080 --> 1:10:57.920 with you, stuck by. 1:10:57.800 --> 1:11:00.639 You, to introduce you to this world. 1:11:00.960 --> 1:11:05.519 You felt that same woman wasn't having your back because 1:11:08.240 --> 1:11:11.280 so you felt, listen, you felt disappointed. I'm assuming, and 1:11:11.320 --> 1:11:12.280 you felt. 1:11:11.920 --> 1:11:16.120 Abandoned, abandoned, and betrayed. Man, you felt abandoned and betrayed. 1:11:16.320 --> 1:11:21.200 Yeah, I mean because look everything that I had, I shared, everything, 1:11:21.800 --> 1:11:24.400 everything I had I shared. I put everything that I 1:11:24.439 --> 1:11:28.000 could possibly do into whatever. And then here it is. 1:11:28.120 --> 1:11:30.479 We fall on some hard times and you just pun 1:11:30.600 --> 1:11:32.920 shoot the other way. That's not how That's not what 1:11:33.000 --> 1:11:36.040 love is about. That's not what friendship is about. You 1:11:36.080 --> 1:11:39.479 don't just run the opposite direction just because the pope. 1:11:39.680 --> 1:11:42.080 Do you know, and you talk about things that's relatable, 1:11:42.120 --> 1:11:43.719 do you know what I mean? Things have happened to people. 1:11:44.280 --> 1:11:46.919 It seems like TV tears people apart when it shouldn't. 1:11:47.040 --> 1:11:48.960 You're supposed to be strong enough to know that, Hey, 1:11:49.000 --> 1:11:51.200 look we're going through some shit right now. 1:11:51.400 --> 1:11:54.040 We need to fight through it. Let's figure it out. 1:11:54.400 --> 1:11:57.720 I'm here. There's no way that I can't see my 1:11:57.840 --> 1:12:00.519 kids for five some years. But the fact that says 1:12:00.560 --> 1:12:02.600 we're going to pay you to go up to the 1:12:02.720 --> 1:12:05.200 jail that's the only time I get to see my 1:12:05.280 --> 1:12:12.679 kids because you was compensated financially. That's wild, man, that's wild. 1:12:13.200 --> 1:12:13.920 So when you. 1:12:14.160 --> 1:12:18.439 Okay, so going back a little bit, when you saw 1:12:18.479 --> 1:12:21.920 those text messages between Phaedeor and Mitchell chocolate were you 1:12:22.920 --> 1:12:24.840 did you already meet Sharene or did you meet her 1:12:25.080 --> 1:12:25.479 after that? 1:12:29.720 --> 1:12:33.160 I think I think I already met her. I think 1:12:33.200 --> 1:12:37.080 so because the chalklate thing. So yeah, because the chocolate 1:12:37.120 --> 1:12:42.720 thing came. Probably, I want to say, after the new year, 1:12:42.800 --> 1:12:45.200 going into fourteen, I think so. 1:12:45.200 --> 1:12:49.479 So was it sort of like you two were mentally 1:12:49.600 --> 1:12:54.479 checked out of the marriage. She's supposed you know, she's 1:12:54.520 --> 1:12:58.679 texting another man. You're sleeping on another woman's couch. 1:12:58.840 --> 1:13:00.439 Now, I wasn't sleeping on the couch, not laying on 1:13:01.520 --> 1:13:02.280 I laid on the couch. 1:13:06.040 --> 1:13:09.639 So would it be fair to say that you two 1:13:09.760 --> 1:13:14.479 were mentally checked out around the same time for whatever reason? 1:13:15.720 --> 1:13:17.680 Hey, I think if people are mentally checked out, it 1:13:17.720 --> 1:13:18.640 should be a discussion. 1:13:19.400 --> 1:13:25.280 Did did Fedra know that that was your girlfriend? 1:13:25.960 --> 1:13:29.880 It don't matter because we're not even talking. She's not 1:13:29.920 --> 1:13:32.200 coming to see me, she's not supportive. I'm paid for 1:13:32.240 --> 1:13:34.479 my own phone calls to call my kids. You don't 1:13:34.479 --> 1:13:36.600 put money on my books. She don't send me a 1:13:36.640 --> 1:13:39.120 dime in jail, So what does it matter? 1:13:39.600 --> 1:13:42.400 All I asked her was one thing I said, don't 1:13:42.880 --> 1:13:45.200 not because we're not getting a divorce. Let's get this 1:13:45.280 --> 1:13:52.479 clear for everybody. The divorce was was was imminent, Okay, 1:13:52.600 --> 1:13:55.160 it was. Don't get a divorce while I'm in prison. 1:13:55.840 --> 1:13:58.439 Why because I want to sit down with our kids 1:13:58.800 --> 1:14:02.320 and let them know that we're at the impast Both 1:14:02.360 --> 1:14:05.639 parents love them equally. This is just what people go through, 1:14:05.720 --> 1:14:08.600 like just cultivating the children so they're not exposed to 1:14:08.720 --> 1:14:10.719 just oh, your mom and dad's not together no more, 1:14:10.840 --> 1:14:14.599 and whatever's in the media. Let's just ease them into 1:14:15.240 --> 1:14:18.200 what's going on a better understanding, because the way it 1:14:18.280 --> 1:14:21.960 is nowadays, husbands and wives they just break up and 1:14:22.000 --> 1:14:24.400 the kids are just left out there in the cold. 1:14:24.760 --> 1:14:30.040 They have no understanding. The parents are selfish. All I 1:14:30.080 --> 1:14:32.240 cared about is just allow my children to see it 1:14:32.400 --> 1:14:35.400 from a different perspective. Look, you got two houses, now, 1:14:35.760 --> 1:14:38.439 hey you got you know I'm gonna find somebody. She's 1:14:38.439 --> 1:14:41.160 gonna find somebody. This happens in life, not just leave 1:14:41.200 --> 1:14:43.599 it up to their own understanding, which that's what happened. 1:14:43.720 --> 1:14:45.960 And so Aida and nine. When I first came home, 1:14:46.000 --> 1:14:48.880 oh man, we just butt heads. He gave it to 1:14:48.960 --> 1:14:51.280 me like he put it on me. Thick you know 1:14:51.640 --> 1:14:52.640 we was a skis on it. 1:14:52.720 --> 1:14:55.479 He just basically just let me have it and then. 1:14:55.720 --> 1:14:58.519 But just like you, weren't different because he's oh man, 1:14:58.560 --> 1:15:00.920 he just had his own perception. You abandoned me and 1:15:00.960 --> 1:15:03.680 my mom. You wasn't there for me. How could you 1:15:03.720 --> 1:15:05.600 do this? How did you leave us like that? 1:15:05.760 --> 1:15:09.680 Why you know that wasn't the plan, buddy. You you 1:15:09.760 --> 1:15:11.519 put me in a different You put me in a 1:15:11.520 --> 1:15:14.760 whole nother situation if you would have been a little supportive. 1:15:15.840 --> 1:15:17.880 How many times did you tell my son or my 1:15:17.960 --> 1:15:21.240 sons that I loved him, are daddy Daddy loves you guys, 1:15:21.240 --> 1:15:23.360 and you know he'll be home soon? Or just how 1:15:23.400 --> 1:15:26.800 many times did you I guarantee you probably none, probably nothing. 1:15:27.760 --> 1:15:30.960 But these things helped they go along ways, you know. 1:15:31.320 --> 1:15:35.720 So when I say that, you know, uh checked out 1:15:35.800 --> 1:15:37.519 and all that stuff, I just could kind of see 1:15:37.520 --> 1:15:39.840 a lot of things coming beforehand. 1:15:40.360 --> 1:15:45.200 But when you show your true colors, your hand is exposed. 1:15:46.360 --> 1:15:49.559 So regardless of what I did once I went away, 1:15:50.040 --> 1:15:54.200 you were showing me already that you don't care. And 1:15:54.240 --> 1:15:57.400 you know the thing about it was, once I left Kentucky, 1:15:57.760 --> 1:15:59.400 I asked her, I said, hey, all I want to 1:15:59.400 --> 1:15:59.960 do is see my key. 1:16:00.400 --> 1:16:00.800 That's it. 1:16:01.560 --> 1:16:03.800 I'll pay for the flight, I'll have my brother to 1:16:03.840 --> 1:16:06.760 fly with them, I'll pay for a hotel, I'll pay 1:16:06.760 --> 1:16:09.000 for you to come. Whatever I needed to do. 1:16:09.160 --> 1:16:10.600 I needed you, guy. I needed to. 1:16:10.600 --> 1:16:13.120 See my kids. Because what that does, It gives me strength. 1:16:13.120 --> 1:16:15.920 It allows me to still keep fighting, to keep going. 1:16:16.200 --> 1:16:19.080 You know, That's all I wanted, and I couldn't get it, 1:16:19.640 --> 1:16:20.760 so I had to find. 1:16:20.479 --> 1:16:21.240 It from somewhere else. 1:16:21.240 --> 1:16:23.639 I had to dig from within and keep asking God 1:16:23.760 --> 1:16:26.040 just to like allow me to prevail and just give 1:16:26.080 --> 1:16:27.320 me that strength to keep going on. 1:16:27.600 --> 1:16:28.720 So then that's why I would call. 1:16:28.880 --> 1:16:30.840 We would have you know, I would always I would 1:16:30.840 --> 1:16:33.760 always write send them cards. I'd put chocolate in the 1:16:33.800 --> 1:16:35.680 cards and send it to them. I'll do whatever I 1:16:35.680 --> 1:16:37.320 could just to let them know that I loved them. 1:16:37.360 --> 1:16:39.280 And if my mom would get them, then at least 1:16:39.320 --> 1:16:40.920 she would say always try to tell him. 1:16:40.800 --> 1:16:43.160 Hey, you know your daddy loves you. Blah blah blah blah. 1:16:43.200 --> 1:16:44.400 That's all. 1:16:44.439 --> 1:16:50.479 But once I saw that, you know, it was pretty 1:16:50.520 --> 1:16:51.439 much she didn't care. 1:16:51.920 --> 1:16:53.880 So I was like, all right, cool, let's move on, 1:16:54.000 --> 1:16:55.040 move on, let's move on. 1:16:55.400 --> 1:16:57.679 So you moved on one of the things that happened 1:16:57.720 --> 1:17:00.280 that season two was you had your bikes and some 1:17:00.360 --> 1:17:06.519 belongings and Candy and Tod's garage, and then Phaeder found 1:17:06.520 --> 1:17:10.519 out and no, no, no, she's a nine nine Season nine, 1:17:10.520 --> 1:17:13.400 it was uncovered that your some of your belongings were 1:17:13.400 --> 1:17:16.639 in the garage, and that became a bonus contention between 1:17:16.640 --> 1:17:20.759 Phadri and Candy because Todd felt like, you know, he's 1:17:20.760 --> 1:17:24.000 my boy, I'm a lagat for him. But then you 1:17:24.040 --> 1:17:29.560 and Todd had a falling out doing this soon thereafter. 1:17:29.720 --> 1:17:31.479 What happened with this falling out that you and Todd 1:17:31.479 --> 1:17:33.519 had to the point you two almost gone to a 1:17:33.520 --> 1:17:35.439 physical fight at a at a club. 1:17:39.280 --> 1:17:42.640 Okay, this is the I tried to speak on this 1:17:42.760 --> 1:17:47.840 topic before, right with. 1:17:45.960 --> 1:17:52.600 With I think, uh, somebody, it's on another another podcast. 1:17:53.439 --> 1:17:57.679 This was in twenty nineteen, and for everybody out there again, 1:17:57.840 --> 1:18:00.960 you know, hopefully you know Candy and Todd, someone can 1:18:01.040 --> 1:18:04.320 listen and understand where I'm coming from. 1:18:05.120 --> 1:18:08.519 Okay, we'll start with this back in and go back 1:18:08.600 --> 1:18:12.360 go to the front. As a friend. If you give 1:18:12.400 --> 1:18:15.200 me your watch to hold that expensive rolex that you 1:18:15.280 --> 1:18:19.679 have right well, then Apaulo, don't look they'll call me out. 1:18:19.720 --> 1:18:23.400 Now, go ahead, and you tell me, and you tell 1:18:23.439 --> 1:18:25.920 me to hold your watch for you, uh, and you're 1:18:25.960 --> 1:18:29.200 gonna come back and get it later on. And as 1:18:29.200 --> 1:18:32.839 a friend, I take your watch, and then the duration 1:18:32.920 --> 1:18:35.080 of you being gone to come back and get your 1:18:35.080 --> 1:18:37.320 belongings that belong to you, and I agree to hold 1:18:37.360 --> 1:18:41.679 your watch. We're face level now, really simplistic. Nobody should 1:18:41.720 --> 1:18:46.400 get lost in this conversation. And I misappropriate your things, 1:18:46.439 --> 1:18:50.280 whether someone steals it, whether I lose it, whether I'm 1:18:50.320 --> 1:18:52.679 moving and I break it, whatever happens. 1:18:52.760 --> 1:18:57.360 If I misappropriate your stuff, your watch, and you return 1:18:58.080 --> 1:19:01.120 to get your stuff and it's not there. Out of 1:19:01.200 --> 1:19:05.400 respect for you as a person, I owe you an 1:19:05.479 --> 1:19:11.040 explanation as to what happened. What happened? Yeah, here we go. 1:19:13.000 --> 1:19:17.040 I found out about my stuff being misappropriated on TV 1:19:17.200 --> 1:19:17.920 sitting in jail. 1:19:18.920 --> 1:19:21.400 Okay, I'm in jail watching it on TV. 1:19:23.200 --> 1:19:26.400 And hence I get calls from my attorney not to 1:19:26.479 --> 1:19:28.680 call email from my attorney because you got like the 1:19:28.680 --> 1:19:31.680 core link system there saying you need to call me asap. 1:19:32.760 --> 1:19:35.920 And I find out about all this that now there's 1:19:35.960 --> 1:19:38.920 a seizure that I lied on my deposition on my 1:19:39.120 --> 1:19:42.479 because my case was too it was the criminal side, 1:19:42.520 --> 1:19:43.160 and then it was a. 1:19:43.120 --> 1:19:47.800 Forfeiture asset forfeiture and all that stuff. So all this 1:19:47.840 --> 1:19:53.880 starts unraveling. I'm like, what the fuck, what's going on? Okay? 1:19:54.400 --> 1:19:57.240 When I came home, Todd and I spoke on the phone, 1:19:58.160 --> 1:20:01.000 Todd would put money on my books at time. Okay, 1:20:01.240 --> 1:20:03.120 Todd would speak to my brother. Todd would, I think, 1:20:03.160 --> 1:20:05.720 email me sometimes when he's not busy. I would get 1:20:05.720 --> 1:20:11.599 this his emails. Nothing, nothing about that. When I came home, 1:20:12.200 --> 1:20:15.680 there was nothing about what happened. Hey, man, let me 1:20:15.680 --> 1:20:17.719 pull you to the side. Man, this is what happened. 1:20:17.840 --> 1:20:20.000 I just want to save my face or my wife whatever. 1:20:20.280 --> 1:20:24.200 Whatever happened. You never told me. Okay, you left it 1:20:24.280 --> 1:20:26.960 up for speculation, and speculation can drive a motherfucker crazy. 1:20:27.000 --> 1:20:29.200 So when you came home, was your stuff damage or 1:20:29.520 --> 1:20:33.360 was it gone? Yeah, the fans took it. The fads 1:20:33.439 --> 1:20:36.160 went to Canata's house and took the blog. Now we're 1:20:36.160 --> 1:20:38.599 going to go to the front. Okay, that's my stand 1:20:38.640 --> 1:20:38.800 on it. 1:20:38.840 --> 1:20:42.400 You at least owe me. I've never asked you for 1:20:42.439 --> 1:20:44.400 no money. I don't ask you to replace it. I 1:20:44.400 --> 1:20:46.519 didn't ask for none of that, never have I. I 1:20:46.520 --> 1:20:49.240 don't care about it. It's gone, okay. Yeah, I could 1:20:49.240 --> 1:20:50.800 be one of those people say, oh, you owe me 1:20:50.840 --> 1:20:53.040 some I don't care. It's not about the money. It's 1:20:53.080 --> 1:20:58.519 about the principle of saying, hey man, you gave me 1:20:58.600 --> 1:21:01.559 your stuff to hold, and somehow down the line that 1:21:01.600 --> 1:21:05.040 shit ain't there when you return. It's not that's just 1:21:05.080 --> 1:21:08.160 it's black and white. It's not there. Whatever happened in 1:21:08.160 --> 1:21:11.439 between there, I still deserve. I don't need to ask 1:21:11.439 --> 1:21:13.920 Phager what happened. I didn't give it to Phagor. I 1:21:14.000 --> 1:21:15.000 gave it to you and your wife. 1:21:16.120 --> 1:21:18.479 That's it. What happened. 1:21:18.720 --> 1:21:21.840 Now, whether I agree or don't agree, at least out 1:21:21.840 --> 1:21:26.200 of respect for an individual, you let them know what happened. Dude, 1:21:26.560 --> 1:21:27.920 I get your watch, and you come back to get 1:21:27.960 --> 1:21:28.599 your watch, and I. 1:21:28.600 --> 1:21:33.320 Just I don't hear you what I don't. I'm not 1:21:33.400 --> 1:21:37.320 even replying to what you're saying. And you might be 1:21:37.360 --> 1:21:38.519 a little what does that do? 1:21:39.040 --> 1:21:42.800 That's gonna fuel a little a little animosity, right, It's 1:21:42.800 --> 1:21:44.360 gonna make you feel a certain way. It's gonna make 1:21:44.360 --> 1:21:45.960 you feel like you're chumped off, Like I just really 1:21:45.960 --> 1:21:48.559 disrespected you. So that's on one token. You gotta take 1:21:48.600 --> 1:21:51.240 all that into consideration. So on the front end, it 1:21:51.320 --> 1:21:54.599 was more so like, look, I have these things off 1:21:54.600 --> 1:21:57.759 the record. I go over there because we were friends, 1:21:57.800 --> 1:22:00.800 I considered. So I met Todd under these other circumstances. 1:22:00.840 --> 1:22:03.360 I met Todd through his birthday party. There was some 1:22:03.400 --> 1:22:05.880 things that transpired. I won't even get into all that. 1:22:06.160 --> 1:22:08.880 He knows the real I was a genuine person. He 1:22:08.960 --> 1:22:11.519 was supposed to be a genuine person. I met Candy 1:22:11.560 --> 1:22:13.680 a while back. She seemed to be really cool. I 1:22:13.680 --> 1:22:16.439 thought everybody was cool. We were all good. You have 1:22:16.560 --> 1:22:18.320 this big house, you has multiple you have a lot 1:22:18.320 --> 1:22:20.880 of space. You're not utilizing that stuff right now. This 1:22:20.960 --> 1:22:29.040 is my thought. I said, hey, look they have another friend, Greg. 1:22:29.400 --> 1:22:33.639 Shout out to Greg. Greg's a real one. Definitely, definitely, definitely. 1:22:33.920 --> 1:22:40.280 But when I went over there, I just said, hey, 1:22:40.320 --> 1:22:41.880 look you at the house. Like, yeah, I'm at the house. 1:22:41.960 --> 1:22:44.960 I pull up, talk to him. Candy's inside getting a 1:22:45.000 --> 1:22:47.240 makeup done or whatever. I said, Yo, listen, I need 1:22:47.280 --> 1:22:49.200 you to run this by Candy. But this is what's 1:22:49.200 --> 1:22:53.160 going on with me. I mentioned him about I think 1:22:53.200 --> 1:22:56.160 I mentioned the whole mister chocolate situation. 1:22:56.320 --> 1:22:57.880 To him, he was like, damn you for real? 1:22:57.920 --> 1:23:00.160 Nod and then he I was like, looking, you go 1:23:00.160 --> 1:23:02.400 get Candy said, well, she's doing a makeup or whatever. 1:23:02.479 --> 1:23:04.160 I said, I don't think she in mind? Like, can 1:23:04.200 --> 1:23:08.519 you tell her to come out? Cool? Excuse me that 1:23:08.560 --> 1:23:10.759 little side door right there when you go up their driveway, 1:23:10.800 --> 1:23:12.960 she comes out the little side door right there, say yoh, 1:23:13.000 --> 1:23:13.400 what's up? 1:23:14.160 --> 1:23:15.720 I was like, look, man, this is what's going on. 1:23:15.720 --> 1:23:17.720 I want to talk to y'all together and let you know. 1:23:18.360 --> 1:23:20.840 You know, I appreciate everything y'all done for me over 1:23:20.880 --> 1:23:23.120 the years. You know, it's been a good one. But 1:23:23.439 --> 1:23:25.559 this is my first time letting them people know. It 1:23:25.600 --> 1:23:28.120 hasn't even hit yet that the Secret Service came and 1:23:28.160 --> 1:23:33.400 I could potentially be going away. Okay, nobody knows but me, 1:23:34.280 --> 1:23:39.800 my family, scharene in them, and my attorney. I haven't 1:23:39.800 --> 1:23:41.920 even told Bravo nothing yet. So I go to him. 1:23:42.439 --> 1:23:47.880 I said, look, this is what's going on. Can I 1:23:47.920 --> 1:23:50.599 put my stuff over here? How do y'all feel about that? 1:23:52.040 --> 1:23:52.240 Well? 1:23:52.240 --> 1:23:54.160 When are you coming back? I said, well, I don't know. 1:23:54.200 --> 1:23:56.599 It could be you know, five six years. I'm not sure. 1:23:56.960 --> 1:23:58.960 Okay, cool, no problem, I said, look, just hold my 1:23:58.960 --> 1:23:59.640 stuff down. Here goes. 1:23:59.720 --> 1:24:01.639 I'm bring it up. When you're gonna bring it, I said, 1:24:01.640 --> 1:24:03.120 I'll bring it in a couple of days. Okay, just 1:24:03.160 --> 1:24:05.160 let us know it's safe here. You know it's cool 1:24:05.160 --> 1:24:11.040 with us, no problem. Took my stuff over there, left 1:24:11.080 --> 1:24:13.440 the keys, left my stuff. 1:24:13.160 --> 1:24:18.240 Here, you go. Well, it's supposed to be quiet as kept. 1:24:20.200 --> 1:24:23.880 Candy shouldn't go on Andy Cohen talking about my stuff 1:24:23.960 --> 1:24:27.200 being in their garage. This is a federal case, man, 1:24:28.000 --> 1:24:30.759 This potentially almost cost me five more years for perjury 1:24:32.280 --> 1:24:36.800 lying under oath. Okay, it's not a joke. 1:24:38.000 --> 1:24:38.439 I didn't. 1:24:38.920 --> 1:24:42.040 It might seem like a good storyline, but but you're 1:24:42.040 --> 1:24:44.120 dealing with someone's freedom, So then I take that into 1:24:44.120 --> 1:24:44.880 consideration too. 1:24:44.920 --> 1:24:45.400 I get it. 1:24:45.800 --> 1:24:47.720 I give you a pass, you know, because you don't 1:24:47.720 --> 1:24:50.680 really understand the judicial system and you don't know how 1:24:50.720 --> 1:24:53.080 these things work, and it seems like it's all fun 1:24:53.080 --> 1:24:55.320 and games, right because you guys are on the outside. 1:24:55.320 --> 1:24:58.519 But I'm literally in federal custody and I'm dealing with 1:24:58.560 --> 1:25:02.120 a situation here. And I came because I came to 1:25:02.160 --> 1:25:04.120 you because I felt like I trusted you. So you 1:25:04.160 --> 1:25:06.000 see how this is going now and you see where 1:25:06.320 --> 1:25:08.519 where here it is. I'm in the middle and why 1:25:08.560 --> 1:25:11.559 I feel the way I feel, and everybody has a story. 1:25:11.640 --> 1:25:14.400 We're not got to the point of how did or 1:25:14.439 --> 1:25:17.080 why did? We haven't got to that part yet about 1:25:17.120 --> 1:25:20.920 the misappropriation. It's still about the emotional and what's black 1:25:20.960 --> 1:25:25.479 and white? So here at that point, I leave my 1:25:25.520 --> 1:25:28.919 stuff there and then you know, Candy does her interview 1:25:29.120 --> 1:25:32.519 with Andy Cohen, you know, speaking about our relationship and 1:25:32.560 --> 1:25:34.639 how maybe it slipped out. I don't know, guess what, 1:25:34.680 --> 1:25:36.559 but it's out there. Okay. 1:25:37.439 --> 1:25:40.880 Then next thing you know, people are filming my stuff 1:25:40.920 --> 1:25:44.840 at their house. Why would you think because I'm hot 1:25:45.000 --> 1:25:47.519 at the time, the storyline's hot, me going to prison, 1:25:47.560 --> 1:25:50.920 all that's hot, it's popping, it's everywhere. That was a 1:25:51.600 --> 1:25:53.679 big moment for Bravo at the time on that show. 1:25:55.000 --> 1:25:58.599 What would make you think that it's okay to do it? 1:25:58.640 --> 1:25:59.479 What's to do? 1:25:59.520 --> 1:26:04.400 An episode? So about my stuff in your garage? What's 1:26:04.439 --> 1:26:08.040 the point? And you're watching this while you're in prison. Yeah, 1:26:08.520 --> 1:26:13.120 I'm watching this while I'm in prison, and you're just like, yes, 1:26:13.640 --> 1:26:17.800 got it, Yes, all hell's about the break loose now? Yeah, yep, 1:26:18.320 --> 1:26:19.599 all hell's about the break loose. 1:26:20.760 --> 1:26:27.120 So so at that point there was already so this 1:26:27.200 --> 1:26:34.000 is the thing, no explanation, nothing. So Todd was telling 1:26:34.080 --> 1:26:36.800 me and you mentioned about like altercation and all this stuff. 1:26:36.880 --> 1:26:42.840 Right, So I did an interview and basically that was 1:26:42.880 --> 1:26:45.040 taking out of context too. You know, it was COVID. 1:26:45.120 --> 1:26:47.040 You know, everybody's at their house, drinking, having a good 1:26:47.040 --> 1:26:49.599 time whatever. You're just making the best of it. So 1:26:49.680 --> 1:26:53.559 me and Peter were doing an interview and it was 1:26:53.600 --> 1:26:57.280 more so like, well, how's your relationship with Candy and Todd? 1:26:57.760 --> 1:26:58.879 Just go look at the interview. 1:26:59.080 --> 1:27:00.720 The first thing that I said, I always give them 1:27:00.760 --> 1:27:04.040 their problems, I said, I I appreciate them as people. 1:27:04.320 --> 1:27:06.200 I still say it to this day. You know, I 1:27:06.240 --> 1:27:08.559 commend them on all their accolades and their achievements. I'm 1:27:08.560 --> 1:27:09.240 glad that you know. 1:27:09.320 --> 1:27:11.759 I'm very happy for their success and everything. I'll continue 1:27:11.760 --> 1:27:15.280 to say that. That never changes. Right, But I said, 1:27:15.560 --> 1:27:17.799 this is what I said. I said, Oh but okay, 1:27:17.800 --> 1:27:19.960 Feds come on over and take Apollo stuff. It's right 1:27:20.000 --> 1:27:21.439 here in my garage, y'all can have it. You know, 1:27:21.479 --> 1:27:24.160 I made that joke, right, And I said, you know, 1:27:24.560 --> 1:27:26.040 and then it kind of stemmed off and I think 1:27:26.040 --> 1:27:28.559 it was like what I said, Yeah, they fucking just 1:27:28.560 --> 1:27:34.920 told the police where my stuff was at? Right, not 1:27:34.920 --> 1:27:39.559 not discrediting the fact that did Fader put the segue 1:27:39.640 --> 1:27:43.080 and put it all out there. Faser never came out 1:27:43.120 --> 1:27:45.519 her mouth. This is what I could say. You could 1:27:45.520 --> 1:27:48.360 say it was fake FasR Faser, Fager right did it. 1:27:48.840 --> 1:27:52.800 Let's just say the stuff's at your house. Faser wasn't 1:27:52.800 --> 1:27:58.120 filming with you. Faeder wasn't at your house filming with you. Okay, 1:27:58.800 --> 1:28:00.120 that wasn't fag your's story. 1:28:01.040 --> 1:28:04.439 But if you're saying that no one made you film 1:28:05.680 --> 1:28:09.559 that episode, let's just say she We don't know. You 1:28:09.600 --> 1:28:12.840 can say all day long that part of this was 1:28:12.840 --> 1:28:15.400 because you know, Fader put it out there and they 1:28:15.439 --> 1:28:17.320 were talking about it, and this that and the third 1:28:17.800 --> 1:28:21.200 talk is talk if you would have never filmed it, 1:28:21.320 --> 1:28:23.760 per se, we don't know what the outcome could have 1:28:23.800 --> 1:28:27.519 been if you're verbalizing it on TV that my stuff 1:28:27.560 --> 1:28:29.680 is at your house or whatever. We just look at 1:28:29.720 --> 1:28:32.439 the timelines. But let's just say, let's just say that. 1:28:33.920 --> 1:28:36.680 Fader and Candy were talking about it, and they were 1:28:36.680 --> 1:28:39.360 filming them just talking about having lunch or something. 1:28:39.040 --> 1:28:41.320 Right, that's one thing. 1:28:41.880 --> 1:28:45.640 But the feds didn't come to their house based on 1:28:46.160 --> 1:28:48.880 a conversation. The feds came to the house based on 1:28:50.160 --> 1:28:56.320 actually evidence showing that these items were there. That's how 1:28:56.360 --> 1:28:59.880 they came to the house. You see, there's a difference. 1:29:01.280 --> 1:29:03.800 And then if you wouldn't have filmed that over here, 1:29:05.240 --> 1:29:07.840 the mere conversation that y'all had at dinner per se, 1:29:09.040 --> 1:29:11.599 we don't know what would have happened, But both things happened. 1:29:12.520 --> 1:29:16.400 The conversation, well, the Andy Cohen situation, perhaps the conversation 1:29:16.520 --> 1:29:20.000 that they're saying happened with Candy and Fhaser. 1:29:20.240 --> 1:29:22.400 And then here it is the filming of the items. 1:29:22.880 --> 1:29:24.760 So a lot of shit is in the mix here 1:29:25.040 --> 1:29:27.599 that here it is. But I'm in prison being puppeted. 1:29:27.760 --> 1:29:31.080 I'm the puppet, right, and someone just pulling my strings. Right, 1:29:31.920 --> 1:29:34.600 So when I made that statement, it was more so 1:29:34.760 --> 1:29:37.880 like dude, like, have a little bit of respect for me, man, 1:29:37.960 --> 1:29:41.360 like talk to me about it. What happened? Because I 1:29:41.360 --> 1:29:44.200 need answers too. Was it you guys? I get it. 1:29:44.280 --> 1:29:46.720 Did you make a mistake you didn't understand the magnitude 1:29:46.720 --> 1:29:47.400 of what was going on? 1:29:47.439 --> 1:29:50.240 I get it. Cool or was it phasier. 1:29:50.600 --> 1:29:52.839 Well that's a whole other situation, because that's real slimy, 1:29:52.960 --> 1:29:54.880 that's real snakish, you know what I'm saying. So that's 1:29:54.880 --> 1:29:57.760 a little that's something else I need to figure out. Now, 1:29:57.840 --> 1:29:59.400 Is this what's really going on? 1:29:59.439 --> 1:29:59.640 You know? 1:30:00.120 --> 1:30:02.479 So there's so many things and so many layers that 1:30:02.520 --> 1:30:05.720 need to be peeled back that I never got answers to. 1:30:06.040 --> 1:30:08.880 So all I was seeking was closure, and people took 1:30:08.920 --> 1:30:13.040 me seeking closure as trying to slander somebody or put 1:30:13.040 --> 1:30:16.400 someone under the bus, and that wasn't the case. And 1:30:16.439 --> 1:30:20.120 then so when we when I seemed todd out and 1:30:20.160 --> 1:30:23.960 the little situation happened, it was more so like dude, 1:30:24.840 --> 1:30:25.680 are you gonna. 1:30:25.439 --> 1:30:25.880 Talk to me? 1:30:26.800 --> 1:30:29.040 So'll y'all out and you see each other? Do you 1:30:29.040 --> 1:30:30.559 go up to him first he comes up to you. 1:30:30.840 --> 1:30:32.639 I go up to him, but not in any type 1:30:32.680 --> 1:30:34.720 of you know, I wasn't being aggressive or anything like that. 1:30:34.760 --> 1:30:35.880 I just went up to him and was. 1:30:35.840 --> 1:30:38.840 Like, first he had like his entourage there and I 1:30:38.840 --> 1:30:41.639 couldn't really get to Finally, man, I walk up to him. 1:30:41.920 --> 1:30:46.559 He's at the bar, and I'm like, look, man, when 1:30:46.600 --> 1:30:49.519 are we gonna talk? When are we gonna sit down 1:30:49.600 --> 1:30:52.479 like men and talk, and then it just kind of 1:30:52.479 --> 1:30:54.479 goes left field, and the next thing you know, he 1:30:54.600 --> 1:30:57.400 says something to Peter, and then you know, Peter says 1:30:57.439 --> 1:30:59.759 something to him, and then Peter has my back and saying, 1:30:59.760 --> 1:31:01.880 you know, he's a grown man. I'm gonna ride with him, 1:31:02.280 --> 1:31:04.720 a ride with Apollo. He's entitled to say whatever he 1:31:04.760 --> 1:31:07.040 wants to say. He feels a certain way, and however 1:31:07.080 --> 1:31:08.599 he feels, he's entitled to feel that way. 1:31:08.680 --> 1:31:11.599 Right, So it took. It was a while, man. 1:31:11.680 --> 1:31:16.599 Then I seen most recently. It was a couple months back, 1:31:17.439 --> 1:31:19.040 maybe right after. 1:31:18.840 --> 1:31:19.599 The New Year. 1:31:21.000 --> 1:31:24.760 Or no, sorry, maybe right before the New year, right 1:31:24.840 --> 1:31:26.920 after Christmas somewhere at that time. I see Todd at 1:31:27.240 --> 1:31:31.280 one of the establishments here in Atlanta, and I didn't 1:31:31.280 --> 1:31:33.519 know he was there, so I was in one spot. 1:31:33.800 --> 1:31:34.320 He comes. 1:31:34.600 --> 1:31:37.639 I'm going through the restroom. He's running upstairs. How about 1:31:37.720 --> 1:31:41.840 him and Peter? Something was going on downstairs. But come 1:31:41.840 --> 1:31:45.320 to find out, they were trying to squash everything. Let 1:31:45.320 --> 1:31:48.559 bygones be bygones. They agreed to put it behind them. 1:31:49.160 --> 1:31:53.720 Todd sees me and he's like, look, man, come downstairs, 1:31:53.840 --> 1:31:54.559 let's all talk. 1:31:54.640 --> 1:31:57.040 By that time Peter was gone, well, he really wasn't 1:31:57.040 --> 1:32:01.479 gonna He went upstairs to the third floor. Todd said, 1:32:01.800 --> 1:32:02.960 they're getting ready to close. 1:32:04.760 --> 1:32:06.320 The owner was there. I was like, look, we're just 1:32:06.360 --> 1:32:08.120 gonna stay here and chill and talk for a minute. 1:32:08.360 --> 1:32:09.120 So we talked. 1:32:10.280 --> 1:32:15.160 Todd somewhat understood where I was coming from. He was 1:32:15.200 --> 1:32:17.240 saying that, you know, he felt like it was coming 1:32:17.240 --> 1:32:20.479 from a different direction. And then he was just saying 1:32:20.520 --> 1:32:23.439 that he was a little apologetic that he wished that 1:32:24.560 --> 1:32:26.920 he would have had better devised a plan for when 1:32:26.920 --> 1:32:28.800 I came home. He wished that he would have been 1:32:28.800 --> 1:32:31.600 in a position to better assist me, not necessarily a 1:32:31.600 --> 1:32:34.559 financial position, but at least, you know, put different things 1:32:34.560 --> 1:32:37.519 in motion or what. And he just said that, you know, 1:32:38.040 --> 1:32:40.200 as a friend, he said, he genuinely was my friend, 1:32:40.600 --> 1:32:41.840 and you know, the friendship. 1:32:41.920 --> 1:32:44.360 You know, it's sad that it happened the way it happened. 1:32:45.479 --> 1:32:47.640 And again I was just trying to convey to him, 1:32:47.680 --> 1:32:49.559 but we were drinking at the same time, and I said, listen, 1:32:49.600 --> 1:32:51.680 I don't have no problem with you. I had no 1:32:51.720 --> 1:32:53.840 problem with you. I never had a problem with you. 1:32:54.000 --> 1:32:57.160 I have a problem with the circumstances with how everything well. 1:32:57.200 --> 1:32:58.840 I did have a problem with you, but it was 1:32:58.880 --> 1:33:01.600 more so based on the circums sensus and how everything unfolded. 1:33:02.120 --> 1:33:06.559 Then I saw him again after that, we chilled party together, 1:33:06.680 --> 1:33:07.439 We spoke on the phone. 1:33:07.479 --> 1:33:08.519 We were supposed to get together. 1:33:08.560 --> 1:33:11.479 I think there was some premiere something happened and we 1:33:11.479 --> 1:33:12.439 were supposed to get together. 1:33:12.520 --> 1:33:15.240 We didn't. I miss that. And then I saw him 1:33:15.479 --> 1:33:18.559 a couple weeks later and it was his daughter. They 1:33:18.600 --> 1:33:19.080 were all out. 1:33:19.120 --> 1:33:21.920 We were at the same spot and we partied ahead 1:33:21.920 --> 1:33:22.400 of the time. 1:33:22.439 --> 1:33:24.000 So we guys are good. It were good. We were 1:33:24.000 --> 1:33:24.519 don't sure. 1:33:24.560 --> 1:33:26.479 We don't chill to talk, you know, regularly, like we 1:33:26.640 --> 1:33:30.040 probably should try to, but still there's no closure. 1:33:30.280 --> 1:33:31.840 I don't but at this point I'm just like, you know, 1:33:31.880 --> 1:33:33.800 what fuck it? You know? At this point, if that's 1:33:33.840 --> 1:33:35.760 how it's going to be, I don't really know. But 1:33:36.439 --> 1:33:40.320 the meat of it is, like I said, you. 1:33:40.360 --> 1:33:43.799 Just wanted to know what happened, man, and even giving 1:33:43.800 --> 1:33:47.840 a heads up. So you've been in the news lately. 1:33:49.600 --> 1:33:54.519 There's been some text messages released. Obviously you and Sharine 1:33:54.520 --> 1:33:59.320 are married. There were text messages revealed that you are 1:33:59.439 --> 1:34:04.000 alleged or we're allegedly cheating on your wife with another woman. 1:34:04.680 --> 1:34:07.960 Some text messages revealed some things of I love you, 1:34:08.680 --> 1:34:11.880 I'm on my way to see you. This woman's talking 1:34:11.880 --> 1:34:16.160 about the perfume and she's wearing. There's a ring camera 1:34:16.320 --> 1:34:18.599 apollo of you at this woman's house. 1:34:21.240 --> 1:34:27.160 Are you cheating on Charene? Are you? It looks bad? 1:34:28.200 --> 1:34:30.120 It looks really bad. Is that you in the video? 1:34:30.560 --> 1:34:32.840 Yeah, it's me in the video. It looks really bad. Well, first, 1:34:32.880 --> 1:34:35.479 I want to say, you know, I'm very apologetic. I'm 1:34:35.600 --> 1:34:40.559 very remorseful for what happened and the pain that I've caused, 1:34:40.640 --> 1:34:42.840 you know, my family, or the humility more so that 1:34:42.880 --> 1:34:44.840 I've caused my family and. 1:34:44.600 --> 1:34:47.680 That I call Charene. I know she's heartbroken, devastated by 1:34:47.920 --> 1:34:53.479 you know, what's happened. She's definitely scarred. I know that. 1:34:53.840 --> 1:34:57.000 But again it's like and just being candid. You know, 1:34:57.400 --> 1:34:59.880 every relationship goes through things, you know, people go through that. 1:35:00.439 --> 1:35:07.439 From an emotional standpoint, I just feel like there's no excuse. 1:35:07.479 --> 1:35:08.760 I'm not making an excuse. 1:35:08.439 --> 1:35:10.639 For what I did. What I did was wrong, allowing 1:35:10.680 --> 1:35:15.080 another woman that opportunity to I didn't cheat number one sex. 1:35:15.160 --> 1:35:16.200 I didn't have sex with the woman. 1:35:16.240 --> 1:35:19.320 No, because some people consider emotional ties cheating, you know, 1:35:19.360 --> 1:35:21.479 being emotional with someone. Some women have said, I prefer 1:35:21.520 --> 1:35:23.400 you to be to sleep with a woman, whether than 1:35:23.600 --> 1:35:26.000 telling our love her, or you're emotionally invested, you know. 1:35:26.080 --> 1:35:29.800 So I get that. You know it was wrong, So 1:35:30.320 --> 1:35:32.360 I'm not trying to, you know, make light of any 1:35:32.400 --> 1:35:34.759 of it. But no, I wasn't sleeping with the female. 1:35:34.800 --> 1:35:38.680 We never slept together. It was like this, I was 1:35:38.680 --> 1:35:42.320 going through a little situation on the home front. You know, 1:35:42.439 --> 1:35:44.160 maybe I could have did a better based on my 1:35:44.240 --> 1:35:46.479 experience and what's going on. I probably we both probably 1:35:46.520 --> 1:35:49.400 could have did a better job at or me per 1:35:49.479 --> 1:35:53.439 se do a better job at letting Sharen know, like, look, 1:35:53.479 --> 1:35:55.120 this is how I feel, this is what's going on. 1:35:55.240 --> 1:35:57.320 I think that right now where I'm at in my life, 1:35:57.320 --> 1:35:59.920 we might need to cultivate something here because you know, 1:36:00.120 --> 1:36:02.920 I'm feeling a different a certain way. So me and 1:36:03.040 --> 1:36:06.720 this individual we met probably like a year and a 1:36:06.720 --> 1:36:09.120 half ago, like met for the first time, but we 1:36:09.120 --> 1:36:10.840 didn't exchange information or nothing like that. 1:36:10.920 --> 1:36:17.240 It wasn't until maybe June of twenty three or July 1:36:17.320 --> 1:36:21.920 of twenty three that we met again. Exchanged phone numbers 1:36:21.960 --> 1:36:24.920 at time, and we've been talking ever since. Right. So, 1:36:25.760 --> 1:36:28.920 there was a situation at a rose where Serene saw 1:36:29.000 --> 1:36:31.880 the messages in my phone, not those messages, but like messages. 1:36:32.240 --> 1:36:34.519 She was mad. It's like, oh, you're dealing with this female. 1:36:34.520 --> 1:36:36.280 I'm like, no, I'm not really dealing with her like that. 1:36:36.840 --> 1:36:41.639 You know. Cool, We try to cut it off again. 1:36:41.760 --> 1:36:44.439 That was kind of easier said than done. Kept talking, 1:36:44.560 --> 1:36:47.320 kept doing flirting thing, kept talking. It was like, listen, 1:36:47.760 --> 1:36:50.320 she knows I'm married. She's dealing with her. Situation was 1:36:50.360 --> 1:36:53.880 like okay, but we just kept talking, really confiding each other. 1:36:53.960 --> 1:36:55.640 We got really close, you know. 1:36:55.720 --> 1:36:57.679 Then it came to like you might tell your friends 1:36:57.720 --> 1:36:59.439 you love them, or you tell your friends you miss them. 1:36:59.439 --> 1:37:02.080 There was things those messages that are not true, like 1:37:02.160 --> 1:37:04.880 the perfume. I never bought her any perfume for no Christmas. 1:37:04.960 --> 1:37:08.320 I didn't do that. When I said something about the baby, 1:37:08.680 --> 1:37:10.599 the baby, if you look at the under the text message, 1:37:10.680 --> 1:37:13.080 she says Happy New Year, Happy New Year, always going 1:37:13.160 --> 1:37:15.439 to Then she said it's gonna be a great twenty four. 1:37:15.479 --> 1:37:17.000 I said, yeah, it's gonna be great. You're gonna have 1:37:17.000 --> 1:37:20.000 a baby, lol. And I said, I can see your 1:37:20.040 --> 1:37:22.479 face right now, I'm dying laughing because she doesn't want 1:37:22.520 --> 1:37:25.320 any more kids and talks about how sometimes you know 1:37:25.360 --> 1:37:26.960 you want to wait till you have children and have 1:37:27.040 --> 1:37:29.439 everything in place. Blah blah blah. I was just a joke, 1:37:29.760 --> 1:37:31.760 but it says that. It says, lol, I can see 1:37:31.800 --> 1:37:33.640 your face right now, I'm dying laughing. This is me 1:37:33.800 --> 1:37:37.640 saying that or whatever, again, not making light of it. 1:37:37.840 --> 1:37:39.640 How did it get leaked? And the first get to 1:37:39.640 --> 1:37:43.160 that point, I'm sorry, yeah, so yeah, so. 1:37:46.560 --> 1:37:50.320 Again, you know, confiding in one another, and so it 1:37:50.360 --> 1:37:52.920 got to the point where was like, hey, you want 1:37:52.920 --> 1:37:56.280 to come over? So yeah, sure, I came over. When 1:37:56.320 --> 1:37:58.679 I came over, If you look in the video, there's 1:37:58.680 --> 1:38:01.080 no hugs or kisses in the video. Yo, it's me 1:38:01.160 --> 1:38:02.880 moving her out the way I sit on the thing. Now, 1:38:03.000 --> 1:38:05.160 that's an appropriate You shouldn't bet another woman's house married. 1:38:05.240 --> 1:38:07.479 I have my feet up on the on the coffee table, 1:38:07.600 --> 1:38:09.360 the sofa as if I'm comfortable. 1:38:09.439 --> 1:38:11.679 She puts her head in my lap. Not cool. 1:38:12.640 --> 1:38:14.439 Let's just say outside of that, Let's just say if 1:38:14.439 --> 1:38:17.439 we were friends and there was no text messages, are 1:38:17.479 --> 1:38:21.879 friends not allowed to interact? Like that, not making excuses, 1:38:21.880 --> 1:38:22.840 but I'm just saying. 1:38:22.760 --> 1:38:24.639 I know, but it sounds like you love a comfy 1:38:24.680 --> 1:38:35.080 couch from yes. No, but it's uh, it's definitely was inappropriate. 1:38:35.560 --> 1:38:38.120 So so now I feel like I got. 1:38:37.960 --> 1:38:41.320 Caught up in a crossfire because she gets back with 1:38:42.200 --> 1:38:44.439 her guy. She's deal now, mind you. 1:38:44.479 --> 1:38:47.559 We decided at the last text message that you see, 1:38:47.880 --> 1:38:51.120 we decided to cut it off and say, listen, let's 1:38:51.120 --> 1:38:54.800 just quit. Okay, you got your situation going on. I 1:38:54.840 --> 1:38:57.400 need to work on my situation. We blocked each other. 1:38:57.479 --> 1:38:59.120 She blocked me, I blocked her. There's no way we 1:38:59.160 --> 1:39:00.000 can contact each other. 1:39:00.120 --> 1:39:03.600 That was the plan. It's like a little bit in January. 1:39:05.400 --> 1:39:11.280 So, come to find out, her guy suspects her dealing 1:39:11.320 --> 1:39:15.880 with someone else. He takes her phone. He knows her code. Listen, 1:39:15.920 --> 1:39:19.559 he takes her phone. This is another person taking the phone, right, 1:39:19.600 --> 1:39:22.559 he takes her phone. It sounds weird, But when he 1:39:22.640 --> 1:39:26.760 takes her phone, he's gone for twenty four hours, and 1:39:27.479 --> 1:39:29.639 he goes through the phone and sees the messages between 1:39:29.680 --> 1:39:31.600 her and I. He confronts her about dealing with a 1:39:31.600 --> 1:39:34.240 married man, and she says, no, I'm not dealing with him. 1:39:34.240 --> 1:39:35.000 We're just friends. 1:39:35.200 --> 1:39:37.640 So when I said, like, I'm coming over, I'm at 1:39:37.680 --> 1:39:39.880 the door or something, he takes those dates and cuts 1:39:39.920 --> 1:39:41.880 in the ring camera and goes through her ring camera 1:39:41.880 --> 1:39:46.080 because he has her phone. And then he recorded all 1:39:46.080 --> 1:39:48.720 that stuff and he found a media outlet and he 1:39:48.800 --> 1:39:51.200 leaked it to the media. That's how it got out there. 1:39:51.280 --> 1:39:53.559 It wasn't her, she didn't leak it. And how I 1:39:53.600 --> 1:39:56.960 found this out. You know how you have so if 1:39:57.000 --> 1:39:59.640 you have another media outlet that wants to run a 1:39:59.640 --> 1:40:01.920 story and so forth. Just being in this business, some 1:40:01.960 --> 1:40:05.120 of these people are kind of respectful. They might your 1:40:05.160 --> 1:40:07.200 heads up. So I got a heads up by one 1:40:07.240 --> 1:40:09.519 of them, and I was just like, well, well, we're 1:40:09.520 --> 1:40:12.000 going to see if this is uh, what's the validity 1:40:12.040 --> 1:40:12.680 behind all this? 1:40:12.920 --> 1:40:16.400 Will come to find out when the guy leaked the thing. 1:40:17.160 --> 1:40:19.800 They actually did a small interview with the guy based 1:40:19.800 --> 1:40:20.400 on like, well, how. 1:40:20.320 --> 1:40:21.880 Did you get this? You know, where did this come from? 1:40:22.000 --> 1:40:25.360 Did an interview? Well, not necessarily interview, I guess they 1:40:25.520 --> 1:40:29.040 they took notes as to how, oh like you said 1:40:29.040 --> 1:40:30.439 to to to see the validity. 1:40:31.880 --> 1:40:35.160 So he basically yeah, he basically said you know that. 1:40:36.600 --> 1:40:39.120 You know, he took her phone guys do this now. Man, 1:40:39.120 --> 1:40:43.880 it's some real girly stuff man that these men do. Man, 1:40:44.040 --> 1:40:45.639 it's wild. That's wild. 1:40:46.360 --> 1:40:50.080 That's wild. And how it's smaing today? She's not well? 1:40:51.000 --> 1:40:55.280 Are you two still together? You? We're still together, living together. 1:40:55.160 --> 1:40:57.160 We still live together. It's a little it's rough, not 1:40:57.200 --> 1:40:59.679 a little rough, it's rough. Yeah, it's rough. 1:41:00.120 --> 1:41:04.120 But how do you feel when people say, whatever, Scharene, 1:41:06.040 --> 1:41:08.760 you you, that's how you got them, that's what you're 1:41:08.760 --> 1:41:09.439 gonna lose them. 1:41:09.439 --> 1:41:10.200 But that's not true. 1:41:10.439 --> 1:41:14.400 A lot of people feel like, you know, yeah, you know, 1:41:15.720 --> 1:41:17.000 because people don't know the story. 1:41:17.000 --> 1:41:18.240 They think that just okay. 1:41:18.320 --> 1:41:22.280 So if, for example, if you're married on paper and 1:41:22.360 --> 1:41:23.880 you're gonna get a divorce. 1:41:23.760 --> 1:41:25.800 You could be with a situation like let's just take 1:41:26.400 --> 1:41:29.080 you know, Charene's system. 1:41:29.320 --> 1:41:34.000 Matter of fact, Sharen was married, right, she didn't finalize 1:41:34.000 --> 1:41:38.639 her divorce until maybe twenty sixteen, twenty fifteen. Shit happens, right, 1:41:39.200 --> 1:41:41.080 some people just don't want to sign, or some people 1:41:41.160 --> 1:41:45.479 are indecisive or whatever. Right, but it wasn't finalized until later. 1:41:47.400 --> 1:41:51.160 You you don't realize, well, people don't realize that, you know, 1:41:51.280 --> 1:41:53.920 Phager and I continue to stay together, right, but no 1:41:53.960 --> 1:41:57.799 one broke up a happy home. The home wasn't happy, right, Okay, 1:41:57.880 --> 1:42:00.760 it was already on that on the outs. And if 1:42:00.760 --> 1:42:02.719 you get to that point where there's like an impasse 1:42:02.800 --> 1:42:06.040 and you just decided to go your separate way, it's 1:42:06.080 --> 1:42:09.400 your business. But see, you always got the outside speculation. 1:42:09.600 --> 1:42:11.599 Everyone's always going to speculate and come up with their 1:42:11.600 --> 1:42:14.800 own narrative. And what that's for. That's not healthy. What 1:42:14.840 --> 1:42:17.080 they're coming up with a narrative is to create again 1:42:17.280 --> 1:42:21.160 a storyline, to continue to create drama and to impose 1:42:21.800 --> 1:42:26.200 inflict more turmoil on an individual. Because these women read 1:42:26.240 --> 1:42:29.080 that stuff, you know, because she mentioned it before, because 1:42:29.080 --> 1:42:30.559 I know she reads it. You know it's not healthy. 1:42:30.560 --> 1:42:32.639 I don't get into that. I don't like doing that. 1:42:32.800 --> 1:42:34.400 And as you get into this business, the deeper you 1:42:34.439 --> 1:42:38.679 get into the business, you realize that that's not cultivating health, 1:42:39.520 --> 1:42:41.120 a healthy environment for yourself. 1:42:41.640 --> 1:42:42.479 That's not giving you that. 1:42:42.960 --> 1:42:44.880 So I just stay out of that realm of Okay, 1:42:44.880 --> 1:42:46.720 get the stories, ran, I see it. 1:42:46.960 --> 1:42:48.040 I was there, I lived it. 1:42:48.600 --> 1:42:54.240 Cool clearly, sharene should know that based on our relationship 1:42:55.360 --> 1:42:57.840 from the beginning, you know where I was at in 1:42:57.840 --> 1:43:01.320 my headspace. Now, women are very emotional and they say 1:43:01.360 --> 1:43:03.000 the down damn this things. 1:43:03.000 --> 1:43:03.120 Man. 1:43:03.160 --> 1:43:04.920 I don't know where they I don't know where who 1:43:04.920 --> 1:43:08.679 teaches them these things that they say, But MANI shit cuts. 1:43:09.160 --> 1:43:11.439 And when you look at the pattern, it's like like 1:43:11.479 --> 1:43:13.400 you mentioned okay at a couch thing, right, even though 1:43:13.439 --> 1:43:15.840 we're joking about it, But yeah, there's some similarities there, 1:43:16.240 --> 1:43:18.600 but it's not I'm not saying like, oh, I'm not 1:43:18.760 --> 1:43:21.160 seeking to go run to this woman. I'm not gonna 1:43:21.520 --> 1:43:24.280 let's say, God forbid, if if Sharena and not get 1:43:24.280 --> 1:43:27.599 a divorce, God forbid, I'm not. 1:43:27.600 --> 1:43:29.920 Gonna go be with that woman. Me and this woman. 1:43:30.040 --> 1:43:32.240 When I tell you we stopped talking and we were like, 1:43:32.880 --> 1:43:35.800 we stop talking. There's no thing. There's we're not we 1:43:35.800 --> 1:43:39.160 don't have a thing, you know. And but Sharena in 1:43:39.200 --> 1:43:41.880 her mind she feels like it's a thing. And all 1:43:41.920 --> 1:43:43.559 the time it's going to revert back to you did 1:43:43.600 --> 1:43:44.960 this to me, you did that to me, you know, 1:43:45.040 --> 1:43:49.439 And I'm wrong for that, but it is what it is. 1:43:49.479 --> 1:43:50.800 It happened, and like what do you do? 1:43:50.840 --> 1:43:53.280 You either move forward or it's really simple, you can't 1:43:53.280 --> 1:43:57.880 continue to we can't continue to degrade one another, right, 1:43:58.360 --> 1:44:01.920 demoralize each other, you know, verbally, verbal abuse abuse. 1:44:03.040 --> 1:44:04.639 You're going to do two things on the table, there's 1:44:04.640 --> 1:44:06.160 a line in the middle. You've got divorce. 1:44:05.960 --> 1:44:09.880 Papers or we're going to get our act together. It's 1:44:09.960 --> 1:44:11.479 very simple. You don't want to how you're going to 1:44:11.520 --> 1:44:13.200 work on getting your act together. But then you keep 1:44:13.360 --> 1:44:16.520 throwing all these things out here that are, you know, demeaning. 1:44:17.120 --> 1:44:19.760 No one wants to be demean nobody wants to be emasculated, 1:44:19.800 --> 1:44:21.800 none of that stuff. You know, during these times, you 1:44:21.840 --> 1:44:24.160 need support or you need to figure out, like how 1:44:24.240 --> 1:44:28.640 to make better. You know, the speculation is terrible. And 1:44:28.680 --> 1:44:31.000 you know that's not my first time having little little 1:44:31.400 --> 1:44:33.880 situations happen, So that's what makes it even bad. I 1:44:33.920 --> 1:44:36.000 mean that's the first time it's been publicized. But you 1:44:36.000 --> 1:44:38.719 know I've had little little snippets, little things that's happened 1:44:38.760 --> 1:44:40.000 in my relationship with Sharen. 1:44:40.280 --> 1:44:41.960 That's not not the. 1:44:41.920 --> 1:44:44.559 Best, right, which is why now because it's so public, 1:44:44.640 --> 1:44:48.040 she's yealing with it differently on a different level. Well, look, 1:44:48.520 --> 1:44:52.800 I appreciate you, Apollo. You know you are a very 1:44:52.840 --> 1:44:58.160 private person. Now your business in development and real estate 1:44:58.800 --> 1:45:03.839 is booming. You're really doing doing well you and listen. 1:45:04.520 --> 1:45:07.519 For me, it goes to show you that, listen, you 1:45:07.560 --> 1:45:09.840 are a man who has owned up to his mistakes, 1:45:10.240 --> 1:45:11.920 but it doesn't define. 1:45:11.520 --> 1:45:14.519 You as a person. And the beauty of you is. 1:45:14.600 --> 1:45:20.880 You're able to walk away from a situation, serve your time, 1:45:21.600 --> 1:45:24.400 and not make that the end of your story. 1:45:25.080 --> 1:45:26.640 You know what I'm saying. So kudos to you for 1:45:26.720 --> 1:45:28.200 that and for showing. 1:45:28.040 --> 1:45:31.400 People that that doesn't mean you have to stay in 1:45:31.400 --> 1:45:33.040 that position, because you know, there's a lot of people 1:45:33.080 --> 1:45:38.360 who come home they it's hard to be embraced by 1:45:38.400 --> 1:45:41.840 the workforce and society. And obviously you have a lot 1:45:41.840 --> 1:45:44.160 of people supporting you, me being one of them who 1:45:44.200 --> 1:45:45.280 really wants to see you do well. 1:45:45.280 --> 1:45:46.120 And you are doing well. 1:45:46.320 --> 1:45:47.759 I mean you have a little bit how of sneakers, 1:45:47.800 --> 1:45:49.479 my brother, I want to call it my role Lex, 1:45:49.479 --> 1:45:50.160 I'm gonna call out the. 1:45:50.160 --> 1:45:51.280 Sneakers, you know. 1:45:51.439 --> 1:45:54.120 So you're doing very well for yourself. And look, we 1:45:54.880 --> 1:45:57.040 love you, you know, we want to see you back 1:45:57.040 --> 1:45:59.959 on TV. It was great seeing you the Mariative Medicine reunion. 1:46:00.240 --> 1:46:01.160 We want to see more of you. 1:46:01.200 --> 1:46:03.000 I was shining. You were great. 1:46:03.080 --> 1:46:06.200 You all the girls were starstruck, like, yeah, this is 1:46:06.240 --> 1:46:09.320 the Man, the myth, the legend Apollo like the Mary 1:46:09.360 --> 1:46:12.559 Woman was like, ah, pollow, So we want to see 1:46:12.560 --> 1:46:15.080 you back on TV. My last question, would you ever 1:46:15.200 --> 1:46:16.639 do reality TV again? 1:46:17.360 --> 1:46:19.639 Most definitely I would do TV in all aspects. 1:46:19.720 --> 1:46:22.519 I mean, I've had an opportunity to understand the business, 1:46:22.840 --> 1:46:26.240 examine the business, the dudes and don'ts, the ups and downs, 1:46:26.640 --> 1:46:29.280 what it comes with, what it entails, you know. So yeah, 1:46:29.320 --> 1:46:31.600 it's a great platform. It's a great opportunity, and I 1:46:31.640 --> 1:46:33.920 think people should do it. I think they should educate 1:46:33.960 --> 1:46:38.679 themselves and take the educated route with it, and then. 1:46:38.600 --> 1:46:41.200 You're gonna have a better experience. It's almost like, to 1:46:41.240 --> 1:46:45.240 be honest, like maybe a year before I went to prison, 1:46:45.360 --> 1:46:47.479 I really because at first I was like, it's like 1:46:47.520 --> 1:46:49.360 a wave, Like if you're in the ocean, there's no 1:46:49.439 --> 1:46:51.879 way you're gonna be able to beat that thing. Okay, 1:46:52.080 --> 1:46:53.280 it's either you need to ride with it. 1:46:53.360 --> 1:46:55.479 Just get on your little board and go out there 1:46:55.520 --> 1:46:56.960 and wait for the wave to come and just push 1:46:57.000 --> 1:46:59.799 you on it. So I started doing that, taking that approach, 1:47:00.120 --> 1:47:02.599 and men, I really enjoyed it. Like the last couple 1:47:02.600 --> 1:47:04.120 of years I was on TV, I really had a 1:47:04.160 --> 1:47:06.719 great time like I wasn't really it was great. 1:47:07.040 --> 1:47:10.160 You get did you go after food? Go eat? If 1:47:10.200 --> 1:47:11.680 you get you get your hair done, you know, get 1:47:11.720 --> 1:47:14.240 your go, get your hair cut, you know, put your 1:47:14.320 --> 1:47:16.519 nice clothes on, put your put your trip for me, 1:47:16.600 --> 1:47:18.679 go act the idiot and go and go get paid. 1:47:19.680 --> 1:47:20.519 I had a great time. 1:47:20.600 --> 1:47:22.880 Well good, well, well, well do more of it? Yeah, 1:47:23.040 --> 1:47:25.280 do more of it. We miss you on TV. And 1:47:25.360 --> 1:47:27.800 thanks for brother, Thank you, thank you, appreciate you. 1:47:27.760 --> 1:47:33.479 Man, thank you for listening to Reality with the King. 1:47:33.920 --> 1:47:39.519 New episodes dropped on Tuesdays and Thursdays. 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