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Speaker 1: Hey, rain Drops.

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Speaker 2: Reality with the King podcast is going on tour. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I got the ladies Ashley Winter, Rana and Joy coming

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Speaker 2: to how Word Theater in DC on Sunday May twelfth,

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Speaker 2: link in my bio. Welco up to Reality with the King.

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Speaker 2: It's me Carlos Kings, the King of Reality TV and

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Speaker 2: one of the most sought after executive producers in reality

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Speaker 2: television with over ten years a production experience. Twice a

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Speaker 2: week on Reality with the King, We'll sit down with

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Speaker 2: my friends across the entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality

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Speaker 2: shows and revisit unforgettable moments that we are still talking

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Speaker 2: and tweeting about. Ray Drives on today's episode, Reality to

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Speaker 2: the King, Give it up for the man who will

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Speaker 2: forever be considered as the hottest husband that Bravo has

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Speaker 2: ever seen.

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Speaker 1: Apollo Night on. Indeed, indeed, indeed, how you been? It's

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Speaker 1: been years, years years. You look great? You do too,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to, like, you know, make sure that I

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Speaker 2: keep the same level of workout ethic that you taught

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Speaker 2: me while we were working together.

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Speaker 1: Definitely, you taught me how to work out. It's hard,

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Speaker 1: but you was looking good. For a minute.

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Speaker 3: I was like, damn, he's catching up to me. I

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Speaker 3: gotta wait up another not you said for a minute.

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Speaker 1: For a minute, did I slip off? You did a

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Speaker 1: little bit? I got hold up? Look hold on a second.

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Speaker 2: Follow I definitely think I have been still.

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Speaker 1: Got your arms?

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Speaker 4: Yes, okay, well I thought you fell off. Okay, okay, okay,

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Speaker 4: got you. Yeah, it's cool, it's cool. I thought you

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Speaker 4: fell off man. No, no, no, okay, it's just the shirt.

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Speaker 4: It was just the fitted defitted h a sweater, a cardigan. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's nice.

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Speaker 2: I'm good you approved, yes, because we need to work

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Speaker 2: out most definitely.

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: If you still have the Booty DVDs that you and

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Speaker 2: Phaeder were doing.

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Speaker 1: We still have them. You still have them. They're still

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Speaker 1: in the marketplace. Actually, are you selling them in the

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Speaker 1: back of your trunk.

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Speaker 3: No, they're still on Amazon. Actually they are. Yeah, they're

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Speaker 3: still on Amazon. But I think so I bought out

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Speaker 3: the distribution and fulfillment a long time ago.

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Speaker 1: There was issues with that.

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Speaker 3: It's like, so I think once it once the press

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Speaker 3: came out that we beat out Kim Kardashian, Billy Blanks,

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Speaker 3: Bob Harper, Julian Michael Jane Fond, that we had top

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Speaker 3: sales in the nation and the revenue wasn't really matching

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Speaker 3: up with the credibility of the accolades that we've accomplished.

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Speaker 1: So at that.

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Speaker 3: Time I was like, Okay, well, you get a check

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Speaker 3: that comes in for I think like forty seven thousand,

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Speaker 3: right for one month sales. Then it went to somewhere

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Speaker 3: trickle down to like maybe I think the low within

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Speaker 3: the four months was like seventy two K. Right, then

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Speaker 3: how do you jump from seventy two down to like

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Speaker 3: twenty four This is like in a six seven month period.

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Speaker 1: And then I'm like, okay, well something's not right.

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Speaker 3: So then when you start looking back at the production

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Speaker 3: running everything, there was no ledger. We're not seeing any

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Speaker 3: type of invoices. When I seeing you know, the DVD sold,

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Speaker 3: all it is ooh you need to have I think

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Speaker 3: it was twenty five of each twenty five hundred of

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Speaker 3: copies in Q at all times per month. Right, And

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Speaker 3: far as the media and being able to shoot something

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Speaker 3: came and did the Fine Fine Baby, the.

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Speaker 1: Prenatal video, right, I remember that.

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Speaker 3: So when you did the prenatal video, that was a

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Speaker 3: So the low hit to around like eleven K. A

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Speaker 3: check came in for eleven thousand. Right, we're still doing

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Speaker 3: the promotion and we're still doing everything. I'm like, this

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Speaker 3: cease and assists. We need to go ahead and just

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Speaker 3: stop everything. Our attorney at the time was like, listen,

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Speaker 3: you signed like a note thirty six month contract with them.

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Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, but there's a clause in there.

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Speaker 3: You know, if you're unhappy, you you know, we need

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Speaker 3: I just showed up and paid them a visit at

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Speaker 3: the studio. You and the guns, yeah, basically, yes, exactly, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: not those guns. Yeah, yeah, novices. And you know, we

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Speaker 3: you know, basically trying to lure me back in, and

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Speaker 3: stated that you know, it's going to be a difficult

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Speaker 1: You're new in this business.

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Speaker 3: You're going to get a lot of individuals who are

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Speaker 3: unhappy with the product, and you know, you got to

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Speaker 3: really think about the back end as far as support.

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Speaker 1: The support, but support, dude, you got to email on here.

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Speaker 3: You know, no one's calling answering the phone, so I

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Speaker 3: was like, you know what, I don't care. Just give

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Speaker 3: me my shit, just give it everything back, ship everything

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Speaker 3: back to me. So that took a minute. Then I

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Speaker 3: went to his partner. Bravo was actually shooting that show.

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Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, it was a big shit show.

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Speaker 3: But anyways, so now, yeah, the product is still in

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Speaker 3: the marketplace, but the thing is I need to make

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Speaker 3: It's just being in that right space because since i've

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Speaker 3: And so I haven't really had an opportunity to really

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Speaker 1: And I have so many ideas.

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Speaker 3: There's so much, you know, so many things that I

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Speaker 1: So since you've been home for how long back in Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: So I got out and.

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Speaker 3: Came home in May of nineteen, and they had me

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Speaker 3: So I decided to go directly to the trade and

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Speaker 3: then in lou signed the tradesmen straight to us, and

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Speaker 3: just getting our prices are pretty much unmatched.

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Speaker 1: No, you're doing good.

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Speaker 2: You're doing good. And I'm so proud of you because

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Speaker 2: Hospitals of Atlanta. Yep, when you decided to do the show,

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Speaker 3: But then I was like, okay, it could be a

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Speaker 1: You know, she buys this and she does that, that

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Speaker 3: That's why I never said nothing because okay, keep thinking that, right, Well,

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Speaker 2: Also help keep what you were doing in the streets

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Speaker 1: No no, well no, everyone all like so the no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: But it's so funny that you mentioned that, right, because

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Speaker 3: So she called us like, hey, you remember you was

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Speaker 3: I said, you don't remember. I was like, I told

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Speaker 3: I said, here it is like twenty years later now,

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Speaker 1: Plus the laws have changed a lot.

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Speaker 3: But just get in to the meat of it is

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Speaker 3: The money gets forfeited to the Department of Revenue. You

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Speaker 1: And here it is.

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Speaker 3: It's not just don't look at the small part is

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Speaker 3: of dollars out there. We're not talking about collectively to

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Speaker 1: So it varies.

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Speaker 3: It goes from insurance to trust to bonds, stocks, you know, annuities, dividends,

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Speaker 1: And so you were doing that at the time, yes.

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Speaker 1: So this is the thing. I so my case actually

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Speaker 3: So my legitimate business, I had legitimate business, and I

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Speaker 3: people didn't know. So I was just basically still taking

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Speaker 1: State per se.

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Speaker 3: The Feds never you know, they know that my business

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Speaker 3: I just transferred everything, shut everything down, hands up, Hey,

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Speaker 3: I'm guilty whatever, let's just deal with this illegal.

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Speaker 1: Matter over here.

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Speaker 3: So once you find the person and you locate the individual,

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Speaker 3: Once you contact the person, of course you'll put them

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Speaker 3: can't just be no foolery. So once you find the individual,

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Speaker 3: it gets trickled down. You got to pay your medical

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Speaker 3: and then your attorney costs. So of course, depending on

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Speaker 3: out and make that a business. But in a sense, now,

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Speaker 3: I wasn't like repulling cars, you know it was. It

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Speaker 3: guys are fixated on what fixated on what you think

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Speaker 1: I don't care no.

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Speaker 2: What they listened to though, was phad dress due date

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Speaker 2: the reasons why the d date change is because you

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Speaker 1: Let's count that up. Let's see. Yeah, possibly like a

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Speaker 1: maybe maybe about a month before.

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Speaker 2: So she got pregnant a month before you said I do.

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Speaker 2: What was was the due date controversy.

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Speaker 1: Not before the excuse me, not before the proposal, though

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Speaker 2: So that's the biggest mystery is she lied about her

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Speaker 1: No, so this is the thing. Phase and I have

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Speaker 3: Together, friends or whatever you know, sincenineteen ninety seven. It's

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Speaker 1: And you were how old? Nineteen? And she was how old?

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Speaker 3: Twenty four five? But I lied about my age. She

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you're nineteen, she's twenty five, yes, but you

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Speaker 1: I think it's like twenty two or something like that.

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Speaker 3: But to see, the thing about it was the the opulence,

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Speaker 3: all that type of thing. But yeah, I'm mad on

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Speaker 3: I've seen this pretty little thing, you know. I started flirting,

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Speaker 3: So I start like kind of flirting, and then she's

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Speaker 3: So we go merging onto seventy five and then I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 3: So I was like, okay, let me get in front

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Speaker 1: Nobody knows.

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Speaker 3: First of all, I'm glad I did get in front

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Speaker 3: have definitely thought like this guy's like up to no good.

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Speaker 1: You know. So I turn and then when we turn

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Speaker 3: I've gotten into some things in my time, right, So

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Speaker 3: I'm like okay. So we go to her house. She

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Speaker 1: Hold on brother day one day, one day, no, not

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yeah, she says, follow me. So I follow her.

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Speaker 3: We pull up at the house in the driveway, I

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00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:21,480
Speaker 3: get out, I see her.

437
00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:23,920
Speaker 1: She looks at me, hey blah, blah blah. We talked

438
00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,800
Speaker 1: for a minute. Did you you talked outside out side

439
00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:28,840
Speaker 1: of the house. Yeah, I'll side in the in the driveway.

440
00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:30,679
Speaker 1: She was like, what are you doing over here? You know?

441
00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,879
Speaker 3: I said, oh, well, the barbershops down the street. She's like, oh,

442
00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:34,359
Speaker 3: you cut here? I said, yeah, I cut here at

443
00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,520
Speaker 3: the shop. She said, oh wow, okay, because they built

444
00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,200
Speaker 3: a new plaza and everything down there, she knew where

445
00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,560
Speaker 3: it was at. All right, cool, let's stay in contact

446
00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:42,760
Speaker 3: and then from there we just you know, I think

447
00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:44,760
Speaker 3: I called her a couple of times because back then

448
00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:46,320
Speaker 3: you didn't really didn't have to sell phones like that,

449
00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,480
Speaker 3: or you did what they were expensive, you know, and

450
00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:50,640
Speaker 3: sold the home phone. Called the home phone a couple

451
00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:52,520
Speaker 3: of times. She didn't answer, left a couple of messages.

452
00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:57,520
Speaker 1: She was in uh Barbados or something, Galopagos, she was somewhere.

453
00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,320
Speaker 3: But she returned my call find like a month later,

454
00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,520
Speaker 3: and she was like, Hey, I've just been traveling, but

455
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,159
Speaker 3: I'm home now. You want to hook up? So we

456
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,439
Speaker 3: went out to eat. We went to Applebee's. We went

457
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:08,119
Speaker 3: to Applebee's.

458
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,160
Speaker 1: You know, it's crazy, the apple Bee's is still there

459
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,560
Speaker 1: right there on by the galleria. It's still at the

460
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,520
Speaker 1: same Yeah, we went there. Oh, it's not an expensive

461
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 1: day at all to the money. Yeah, we went to

462
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,080
Speaker 1: the movies too. I think we went to the movies. Yeah,

463
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:24,639
Speaker 1: movie ticket. Yeah, so you know it was great. I

464
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,120
Speaker 1: wish we could do that back. No, right, you would

465
00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:32,680
Speaker 1: get away with that now. Oh man, oh man, think

466
00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 1: about it. We could go you think about your friends, right,

467
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:36,679
Speaker 1: and the bill.

468
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,760
Speaker 3: Comes and just like for you guys, and the bill

469
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,720
Speaker 3: is like one hundred and fifty bucks, You're like, whoa man. Yeah,

470
00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,720
Speaker 3: You're like, so you paid the whole thing, right, but man,

471
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:49,480
Speaker 3: things are so expensive nowadays, it's crazy. But yeah, we

472
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,280
Speaker 3: we go out to eat and so that's kind of

473
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 3: how we started our relationship, just being friends and just

474
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 3: going from there and uh so to that point. So

475
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,920
Speaker 3: when I came home, there was a situation that occurred.

476
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:07,040
Speaker 3: You know, most people don't know, but uh so, when

477
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,160
Speaker 3: I got arrested the first time, you know, that whole situation,

478
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 3: a lot of people might say like this this here,

479
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:15,960
Speaker 3: no one even knows this. You know, this is the

480
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 3: first time I've even made this statement ever. So I

481
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 3: go do six years on a rico case, the same thing,

482
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,640
Speaker 3: like Doug is under whatever for racketeering a Corrupt Organization Act.

483
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:30,120
Speaker 1: This is when you were the very started dating Phadra. Yes. Yes,

484
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:34,400
Speaker 1: so it's almost like if you have and my thing

485
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:39,200
Speaker 1: wasn't gang related. It's more so like a white collar offenses, right,

486
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 1: but on a high scale. So here it is you

487
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,479
Speaker 1: have multiple crews out there, you have people that I mean,

488
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 1: you know, you're not just one person that's doing white

489
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,640
Speaker 1: collar crime. There's probably a gazillion people. Right.

490
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:56,160
Speaker 3: So long story short, someone that I know was committing

491
00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:02,160
Speaker 3: these crimes, right, and they we were very close at

492
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 3: the time, and they utilized some information. I had got

493
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,680
Speaker 3: arrested for something for a very short stint of time,

494
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,880
Speaker 3: and I called Phaeder to come and assist with that.

495
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 1: For the bond and everything.

496
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 3: She was like, well, you're gonna get a bond, but

497
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 3: you probably have to sit like forty five days. All right,

498
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,479
Speaker 3: no problem, all right, but don't worry about it. You're

499
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 3: gonna get a bail. So I think she came to

500
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,479
Speaker 3: visit me. So during that time, as like putting our

501
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,680
Speaker 3: case together to get the bond, we went to court

502
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 3: a couple of times. So say on the second or

503
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,640
Speaker 3: third time going to court when we're back at the jail.

504
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 3: She comes and pays me a visit and says, hey, well, no,

505
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 3: this is at the courthouse. She says, I don't know

506
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,400
Speaker 3: what's going on, but the FEDS is outside and they're

507
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 3: saying that, you know, they're wanting you for this, that

508
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 3: and the third. I'm like, there's no way, like I'm

509
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 3: literally in here for just this situation. That's really we're

510
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 3: gonna get through this because I'm not guilty for what

511
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 3: I'm in there for. But I said, okay, okay, we'll

512
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,199
Speaker 3: just cross that bridge later. But it's not me again.

513
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 3: We won't you the word framed. But I basically I

514
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 3: knew exactly what happened. I knew that, I knew exactly

515
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:10,439
Speaker 3: how everything went down, and I found myself in a conundrum.

516
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 3: I found myself in a bad spot and I wasn't

517
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 3: gonna flip on my friends or anything like that.

518
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 1: I found myself in.

519
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:20,120
Speaker 3: A really, really dark place. And here it is, I'm

520
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 3: going to trial. I'm being extradited to South Georgia, where

521
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 3: I've never been. Okay, never been out there, never done

522
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 3: a crime out there.

523
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 1: So we fight.

524
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 3: It was a sixteen count indictment, Okay, I was only

525
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 3: on one count, which was Count one, which was the RICO. Well,

526
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 3: in order to have a RICO, you have to prove,

527
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 3: like predicate acts is what it is. You have to

528
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,159
Speaker 3: show how you're tied to this, you know, to this organization.

529
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 3: But again they got me tied to an organization. But

530
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 3: then they have me as the ring leader of the organization. Right, Well,

531
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 3: all of the elements really didn't add up. So we

532
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 3: did like a improper venue, no jurisdiction, all this crap.

533
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 3: But long story short, I wound up doing this time.

534
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 3: I did six years on that for something that I

535
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 3: didn't do. I wrote it out, so fucking went to try.

536
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,959
Speaker 3: I lost trial attorney. Yeah, at first she was, but

537
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 3: then I was like, okay, you know what, we kind

538
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 3: of had a little falling out, and there's a lot

539
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,239
Speaker 3: of respect for her too, and I'm going to get

540
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 3: to that point that I do have done. Like I said,

541
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 3: I've never really mentioned this, you know, this all in

542
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 3: the past, but there's a lot of respect for her

543
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 3: that I do give for just I guess we would

544
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 3: say like keeping the code, but at least just like

545
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 3: staying loyal, staying staying staying loyal and above board so

546
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 3: I decided to get another attorney who was like a

547
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 3: Rico professor.

548
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 1: He wrote a couple of books.

549
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 3: I thought that that might fit the bill better because

550
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 3: this is the first time that she would try.

551
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: A big case like this.

552
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 3: Plus it's a black woman, you know, down in the country.

553
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 3: You don't know what happened, So I'm just looking at

554
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 3: everything in totally. Plus it's my life, you know. And

555
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,400
Speaker 3: we had a couple of little little quarrels about that.

556
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 3: You know, I don't think that's the best move for

557
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,199
Speaker 3: you. You know, who's going to have your back, who's going

558
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 3: to talk. You know, at the end of the day,

559
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,199
Speaker 3: I say, I rode the dice, and you know, I

560
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 3: crapped out, you know, versus hitting my number. But there

561
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,919
Speaker 3: was one of my co defendants who testified against me,

562
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 3: like I'm going to trial and then motherfucker's is taking

563
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 3: the stand, okay, and I.

564
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 1: Mean whole diagram board and everything. I mean, it got rough.

565
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 3: And so he hired her to be his counsel.

566
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so guess what that would mean.

567
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,959
Speaker 3: That would mean she would have to sit there, cross examined,

568
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,360
Speaker 3: and she would have to then blast me or knock

569
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 3: my head off, right so she was the opposing Yeah,

570
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,439
Speaker 3: so my co defendant, who was a co defendant, she

571
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 3: was hired to be his representation.

572
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 2: So Phedra had to go against you in the court

573
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 2: of law.

574
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 1: Yes, So what she did was she just resigned from

575
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: the case. Oh, she recused herself. Accuse herself. Yes, she

576
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 1: recused hersel. And so that's why for you, that was

577
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 1: very upstanding. Yeah, very very And I said, you know what,

578
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: I get it.

579
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 3: You prefer just to have hands off and not even

580
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 3: get in that muddy water.

581
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: You know. That was good. And so you know, she

582
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 1: went her way. I went my way.

583
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 3: She was, you know, disgrown all about me, you know,

584
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,959
Speaker 3: hiring another council and so forth, and here we go.

585
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 3: I go down in the books and I wound up

586
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 3: losing trial, and so they gave me the time. And

587
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:30,719
Speaker 3: it wasn't until I had another friend who's uh so

588
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 3: they messed all my paperwork up with my appeal. It

589
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 3: was really just shitty. So I had another friend who

590
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 3: had a whose cousin was an attorney, and I was

591
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 3: I was cool with her father.

592
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: It's her father's sister. Well, sorry, it's her aunt. Sorry.

593
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 3: So I was cool with her dad and the way

594
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 3: me and her. Their dad is a neurosurgeon up in

595
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 3: in uh Indiana, so I was really cool with them.

596
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: I gave her dad a couple of good points.

597
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 3: So when XM radio was a Cyrus Cyrus series radio,

598
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 3: So when they first came out in An, I came

599
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 3: out this is like two thousand, two thousand and one.

600
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 3: The IPO was extremely low and me or dad used

601
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 3: to talk about stocks and so forth, and I was like, hey,

602
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 3: you might want to jump on this, and he was

603
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 3: like you sure, I said, man, I really think so

604
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 3: you should.

605
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 1: Jump on this.

606
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 3: He made a shitload of money, a shitload of money,

607
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 3: and so his dad's always talks to me like, hey,

608
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 3: if you ever need anything, let me know.

609
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 1: I owe you, owe you one.

610
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 3: So I needed it. So I reached out to my friend.

611
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 3: I was like, hey, look this is where I'm at.

612
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 3: She used to come see me. She's like, you know what,

613
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,880
Speaker 3: my cousin is a practicing attorney in Atlanta. I want

614
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 3: to talk to my I'm and my aunt. She said,

615
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 3: I'm gonna talk.

616
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: To my dad and see what can I say? Yes,

617
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: talk to your dad.

618
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 3: So sure enough she came to see me, and I

619
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 3: had one last chance and it was basically a habeas

620
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 3: corpus I can't remember. So we followed this habeas basically

621
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 3: it was like a false imprisonment type thing, just saying

622
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 3: that I'm being held against my will, and we just

623
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 3: followed that against the prison.

624
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: It gave me one last chance to go back before

625
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:55,719
Speaker 1: the courts.

626
00:28:55,800 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 3: Anyways, I wind up by that time the has dropped

627
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 3: the case. GBI wound up picking it up during that time.

628
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 3: I think I left that part out. And so I'm

629
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 3: basically in the state. In the State of Georgia, you

630
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 3: do a third of your sentence, so they wind up

631
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 3: giving me on the state levels like eighteen years.

632
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: When I lost trial.

633
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 2: Eighteen years, you got a sentenced for eighteen years.

634
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 3: And on the non violent offense. The thing about it

635
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 3: is on a rico. The rico and the state of George,

636
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 3: well mostly in the nation is the highest statue of

637
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 3: crime because you know it in tells whatever murder story

638
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 3: blah blah blah.

639
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: Right, so all this stuff, and they.

640
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 3: Considering it was nonviolent and it fell in the line

641
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 3: of the rico, there's still like it's a level seven,

642
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 3: so it goes outside the grid.

643
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: So level six is where t's that it was like

644
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: a level seven.

645
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 3: So what they did they just treated it as the

646
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 3: same as it was a level six and consider it

647
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 3: as non violent, and you do a third of your time,

648
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 3: So three times six is eighteen, and that'll be the third.

649
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: So I didn't know that.

650
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 3: So the whole time, I'm sitting not really sure what's

651
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 3: gonna happen, but I'm still fighting to get out. And

652
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 3: mind you, I'm in there this whole time, wrongfully convicted.

653
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 3: I didn't do it. Now, there was some elements right.

654
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,719
Speaker 3: My whole defense was we're not saying, hey, I never

655
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 3: committed a crime. That was not the defense. The defense

656
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 3: was I'm not part of this. Right, We're not saying

657
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 3: that I wasn't doing something right or out out there,

658
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 3: but I just wasn't a part of that. But anyways,

659
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 3: so when I came home, her and I and again,

660
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 3: like I say, nobody ever knew that. So here it

661
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 3: is this story that's being told even on the on

662
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 3: the Housewives, and I was, oh, this man's a crooked.

663
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 3: I guess what, It's not even worth it. It's not

664
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 3: even worth it. What am I gonna do? Wave the

665
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 3: flag and say oh I didn't do it? And try

666
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 3: to tell everybody and plead my case. Well, guess what

667
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 3: the damage is done. I'm still convicted, fella, And I

668
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 3: still went to jail. I still did time, but I

669
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 3: went to time. I did time, but I.

670
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: Didn't do it. Literally, I didn't do it, had nothing

671
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: to do with it. So anyways, get out, I said,

672
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: you know what. We stayed in contact. I think I

673
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: called her a couple of times. I think I reached out.

674
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 3: To her when I lost trial, just to say hello.

675
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 3: Then I went to a camp in Atlanta. I think

676
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 3: I was in Griffin Griffin, Georgia, and I reached out

677
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 3: to her over the phone, reached out to Fader over

678
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 3: the phone, and she was just like, you know, how

679
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 3: long do you have to go? I don't know, but

680
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 3: come to find out, I was at the camp. My

681
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 3: level of crime. I wasn't supposed to be there and

682
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 3: that kind of I don't know how I got there,

683
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 3: but I stayed there. It was short lived, and then

684
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 3: I wound up going to another prison and that's when

685
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 3: things started kind of rolling for me a little better.

686
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: And I wound up getting out. And when I got out,

687
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: I called her and she was like, oh, when you're

688
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: coming home? I was like, I'm home. She was like, oh,

689
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: you're home.

690
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 3: Really, And then you know, she was already like engaged

691
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 3: to somebody, and.

692
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: At that point I was just.

693
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 3: Like, man, you know, I think they might still be something,

694
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 3: you know, So then I pursued it pursued.

695
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: Although she was engaged to a man.

696
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 3: Well, I just felt like it was still mine, you

697
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 3: know at the time, you know, I really felt that way.

698
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 3: And I went over to her house and we just

699
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 3: started talking and kind of picked up from there.

700
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: And she knew my circumstances at that time.

701
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 3: Like she knew, you know, I was staying with a

702
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 3: friend of mine, just got out, and again, you know,

703
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 3: that was supportive too.

704
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: I think a lot of things changed, like when you're.

705
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 3: As you know these when you're on TV and you

706
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 3: get your celebrity and all that stuff.

707
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: You know, you become a different person. Think about it.

708
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 3: Even you're not the same person you were. I'm sure

709
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 3: people tell you you've changed, you know, but you have

710
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 3: to change to some degree.

711
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: For sure, you.

712
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 2: Grow, you grow, absolutely, but the character of who you

713
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 2: are should remain the same.

714
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: Shoul should Yeah.

715
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, like just fast forward like when I came when

716
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 3: when when everyone was filming at the house prior to

717
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 3: me the very last time I was on TV when

718
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 3: I came to the house and I was disgrundled about

719
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 3: all that stuff. It's because no one really knew the backstory, right,

720
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 3: No one knew that this woman's been gone for quite

721
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 3: a couple of days with the kids, and I had

722
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 3: to fight to see my kids. And I'm coming home

723
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 3: really to handle my business at the house, not to

724
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 3: see a filming crew. And like you've ever seen when

725
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 3: they jump on the Wizard of Oz, the witch is dead.

726
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 3: It's like you're sitting here having a whole party, you know,

727
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 3: when I'm gone. So that's why, you know, I was

728
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 3: really upset then, but just rewind a little bit when

729
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 3: as we started going, she was really you know, supportive

730
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 3: about that fact. And then she was like, hey, let's

731
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 3: not you. We're going to keep playing around. What are

732
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 3: we gonna do. We've known each other forever. You've had

733
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 3: drops and downs. I have much ups and downs. You've

734
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 3: been here at my low times. I've been there for you.

735
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 3: So we're not going to cross each other. Right, clearly

736
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 3: that's been shown. We're not going to cross each other.

737
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 3: That's before TV and all that stuff. You trust me,

738
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 3: I trust you right right?

739
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: Okay?

740
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 3: Cool you think we should do this and start a family. Okay,

741
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 3: cool you think so yeah, let's do it. Well okay,

742
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 3: what about all this other stuff though that comes with that?

743
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 3: Like rings in this you live an opulent lifestyle. You

744
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 3: know you're you're you're a stupid person. So what do

745
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 3: you want me to do here? Because I'm not ready

746
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 3: ready to you know what I'm saying, to stop what

747
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 3: I'm doing. I'm over here. My buddy gave me his

748
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 3: condo in a two bedroom condo. He didn't even ask

749
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 3: me for anything. Matter of fact, he was encouraging me

750
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 3: to just take my time. And he used to put

751
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 3: everything is paid for. I'm talking about every week.

752
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 1: There's groceries in the refrigerator, there's money on the counter.

753
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: Let everything is everything.

754
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 3: Like listen, Paulo, don't trip out, don't do nothing, just

755
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 3: get yourself together. So then when I was telling her that,

756
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 3: she was like, well, you do know that when people

757
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 3: get married there's responsibility. And you gotta said, well how

758
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 3: about this, we can get married and I just live

759
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,439
Speaker 3: over there for a couple more months. And then it

760
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 3: was like November first is when we got married, I

761
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 3: can move in some months later. It might sound weird,

762
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 3: but it's all about what you talk to with your person,

763
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 3: you know, and what your you and your partner comes

764
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 3: in to in agreements with. But that didn't fare with her,

765
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 3: so she was like, no, that ain't gonna work. Okay, well,

766
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,439
Speaker 3: why don't you just take care of the smaller things

767
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 3: and then I'll worry about the bigger things, the mortgage

768
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 3: and all this stuff. I didn't feel right stepping into

769
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 3: fucking three thousand dollar mortgage, Like, dude, I just came home.

770
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 2: So so how soon did she get pregnant after you

771
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:21,280
Speaker 2: got home?

772
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: Man? I don't know. Man, we pound town in. You

773
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: have to make a full lost time. Yeah, no, none

774
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,439
Speaker 1: of that. They stopped all that. Okay, yeah, you don't

775
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: have so you come home and then yeah, yeah, But

776
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: the thing is, we really didn't think that.

777
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 3: I didn't because we've always had, like, you know, I

778
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 3: guess the unprotected situation, you know, and nothing's ever happened.

779
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, I guess we really

780
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 1: the pull off game was good back then?

781
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess so, And is it good now?

782
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: I'll follow? I mean, I'm not do I mean, I'm

783
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 1: married right now, I'm not. You know, you gotta you

784
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: gotta put uh birth control and all that good stuff,

785
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: you know.

786
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 2: But uh so you think this whole confusion with the

787
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 2: do date had a little bit to do with the

788
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 2: fact that, listen, she comes from being a pastor's kid,

789
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 2: and she's she's also private.

790
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: We know that.

791
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 3: I think it's the privacy. I don't think that she thought.

792
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 3: I don't think that she really thought that through, thought

793
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 3: that question through. It just hit her and then she

794
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 3: was like, Okay, well, what are my parents gonna think that?

795
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 3: Maybe it just hit her and then you know, some

796
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 3: people just say things and then it's kind of too late.

797
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 3: And that's what I spoke to her about a little

798
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 3: prior to going on to the marriad of medicine and

799
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 3: all that situation, right, because.

800
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: I was like, why do you you said something?

801
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 3: Because literally I called her and I was like, this

802
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 3: is why one of the reasons why I really don't

803
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 3: want to go on here, right, I don't mind, but

804
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 3: I don't want to.

805
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 1: Why do you dig a hole for yourself? Is it?

806
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 1: When she told people y'all been in high school.

807
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 3: It's like she says something about the reason why I

808
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 3: wasn't at Aden's birthday.

809
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,439
Speaker 1: Is because I was out of town. Dude, why didn't

810
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: you just tell the truth and say we've had multiple

811
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: birthday parties.

812
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 3: That was for the TV. That was for you guys,

813
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 3: like what are you doing? But see when you do that,

814
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,919
Speaker 3: then it causes more scrutiny. It causes for people to say, hmm,

815
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 3: well how is that when I just seen him over here,

816
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 3: you know.

817
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: Which is why you have to address it with Toya

818
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: on the reunion. Yeah, like you know, so I just

819
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: think that she finds herself in this situation.

820
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 3: Yes, it's okay to protect certain things, but you don't

821
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 3: have to protect everything. You know, It's okay to be authentic.

822
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 3: It's okay to let you've already been what on TV

823
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 3: over ten years, ups and downs, husband went to prison,

824
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 3: You had your kids then, so I saw you had

825
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 3: a kid out of way.

826
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 1: You're not going to be discredited as a person.

827
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 3: Shit happens. Everybody is human. You're entitled to a mistake.

828
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 3: You should, you know, Like, right now, I'm trying to

829
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 3: get out of a mistake. The stuff that hit on TMZ.

830
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 3: Some mistake should happens.

831
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing.

832
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 2: Well, the thing is this, Obviously, what I loved about

833
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,879
Speaker 2: you and Phedra working with you guys was the fact

834
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 2: that this you two came on the show and brought

835
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 2: something so relatable right that people just don't talk about

836
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 2: or they don't show. I know tons of women who

837
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 2: are professionals, whether are lawyers, doctors, whatever, and oftentimes their

838
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 2: husband may have a pass that includes incarceration because at

839
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 2: the end of the day, black men are.

840
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 1: Not set up in this country to win, right. We're

841
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: just not. We're not.

842
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 2: And I give Faedra credit for looking at your soul

843
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 2: and all of this and saying to herself, you know

844
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, like, I want to give this a chance.

845
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 2: Despite me being this esteem accredited attorney, I'm going to

846
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 2: follow my heart break off my engagement, be.

847
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: With this man and choose that life. You know what

848
00:38:59,280 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: I'm saying.

849
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 2: So what we saw on the show to me was

850
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 2: something relatable. But I am with you. I think the

851
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 2: thing with Phedra that I think us as the audience

852
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 2: is like, well, even watching Mariti Medicine and when she said, oh,

853
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 2: I met Paula in high school and it's like, we know,

854
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 2: y'all have a cute little age difference. So I think

855
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 2: it's stuff like that that bothers people because it's like

856
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 2: you got to say all that like we you're a girl,

857
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 2: an ass woman. It was like Apollo was fourteen and

858
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 2: you were eighteen, you know what I mean? So I

859
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 2: definitely understand where you're coming from with that. When it

860
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 2: came to the Housewise, when y'all came on the show, it,

861
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 2: I mean, eyeballs were on the two of you because

862
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:49,439
Speaker 2: it was you both are scorpios, which inherently means you're

863
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,760
Speaker 2: you're private people, but you're on the biggest show on Bravo,

864
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 2: is the number one show on Bravo, and then your

865
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 2: life has changed drastically and then and it became a

866
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 2: big story about your marriage, so much so that when

867
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: Kenya Mare came on the show, was that something you

868
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 2: were surprised that people really took this flirtiness?

869
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: Would you?

870
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 2: What would you say about what you and Kenya's friendship

871
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,919
Speaker 2: were when you first met her on the show?

872
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 1: Were you attracted to Kenya when you met her? I

873
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: thought that she was really a dope person, like super

874
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: cool when we first met. I think it was with

875
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: Walter at the Grand Prix.

876
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,439
Speaker 3: That was the very first time that I met her,

877
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 3: and you know, I've seen her around and stuff like that,

878
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 3: but this is my first time like interacted. What I

879
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 3: really liked about I thought that she just had a

880
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 3: good soul, a good person based on like just super

881
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 3: funny and it wasn't like in a flirty way.

882
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,399
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I could vibe with that, Like, you.

883
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 3: Know, she seemed like one of the one of the

884
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 3: authentic people that if we have to film with people

885
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 3: and all this, like it could be a jokey like

886
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 3: a cool situation and some people might have thought, like

887
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 3: it might be flirtatious or something like that. It started

888
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 3: out as being she's competitive as hell. It started off

889
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,919
Speaker 3: by that. That's what really was like, because I'm super

890
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 3: competitive and I'm just like okay, And it started out

891
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 3: on the golf thing, a little put put thing, and

892
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 3: then some other things like and I was like I

893
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 3: can rock with this person, like but not in a

894
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 3: sexual way or nothing like that. At first, the chemistry

895
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 3: was good. Now was she attractive you very much?

896
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 2: So you know, did you did you know who she

897
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 2: was based on her being missus?

898
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: Ay?

899
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I knew, But like I say that didn't all

900
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 3: come together as far as the knowledge until putting it.

901
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 3: I've seen her out and about, and I've seen her

902
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 3: like in the media and stuff like that, but I

903
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 3: didn't put two and two together until.

904
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: After the fact, and I said, oh, wow, okay, so

905
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: I don't think I think, man, she made it clear

906
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: that she was attracted to me. I mean kind I mean,

907
00:41:58,239 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 1: she kind of said it, you.

908
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 2: Know, says a Paula is kind of fine. Yeah, you

909
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 2: felt that she was letting you know that she was

910
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 2: attracted to you.

911
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so.

912
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 3: But I wasn't using that as a as like a

913
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 3: as a toy or a pond, you know, to put

914
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 3: on the board and move it around. It was just like, okay, cool,

915
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 3: you know she verbalized it. I mean I was like,

916
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 3: I just kept it to myself. So she's a nice

917
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 3: looking woman. I just kept it to myself. She verbalized it, But.

918
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 1: I just thought that she she had a good, good personality,

919
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: is what is what I liked about it.

920
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 2: When did you realize your wife had a problem with

921
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 2: your friendship with Kenya?

922
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 3: Well, I realized it when I think I saw Kenya

923
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,919
Speaker 3: doing an interview or something, and I know that during

924
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 3: that time, a lot of new people, so you learn

925
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 3: a lot in this business. And just backing up a

926
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 3: little bit while being on this show, you know, in hindsight,

927
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 3: there's a lot of things I'm sure you wish you

928
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 3: would have did different and or and then you learn

929
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 3: from it. When you get the opportunity again, you can

930
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 3: implement those changes.

931
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 1: For me the same thing.

932
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 3: And I think we we skimmed over a little bit

933
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 3: prior to doing this interview about how, you know, just

934
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 3: having that person, you know, I think when you come

935
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 3: new into the celebrity or new into a platform, you

936
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 3: need that person that can kind of coach you and

937
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 3: guide you and let you understand, okay, whether if it's

938
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 3: product placement or whether it's you know, working the proper

939
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 3: contract or what to say, what not to say, you know,

940
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 3: pr or whatever. And then some people don't even have

941
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 3: the revenue to afford things like that, so then you

942
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 3: don't want to find yourself and you know, being misrepresented

943
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 3: and so forth. But I say that to say that

944
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 3: I wish that, you know, we would have been better coached.

945
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 3: But see, I think I think I was thinking that

946
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 3: you know, phased the fact that she was, you know,

947
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 3: IP attorney during that time that she had this whole

948
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 3: thing kind of mapped out, because I did go I

949
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 3: signed on that dotted line based on the fact that

950
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 3: we're signing as a family, and we're doing this as

951
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 3: a family, You're gonna protect me and cultivate me.

952
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,760
Speaker 1: And like vice versa, right, And that wasn't the case.

953
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: But that's that's later down the line, maybe in this interview.

954
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: But when I saw can you do her interview? I

955
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 1: thought she did well.

956
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 3: And she's already been down that road before, but I

957
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 3: thought she really did well and how she answered the

958
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 3: questions and so forth, and I thought, you know, you know,

959
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 3: I look sometimes at the shows and I said, oh, man,

960
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 3: that makeups looks good, or you know, you learn these things, right.

961
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: Okay, well that man that makeup, don't look at the

962
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: camera's not hitting that right.

963
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 3: You know, you look at all this stuff, right, So

964
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 3: I thought, you know, everything was good, but it wasn't

965
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 3: in like.

966
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:37,439
Speaker 1: A flirtatious way.

967
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,760
Speaker 3: So I said, I sent her a message and I said,

968
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 3: you did well, So I like you dressed you did well.

969
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 3: And I think she responded back thanks blah blah blah,

970
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 3: and phaser.

971
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 1: Seeing that, I think I believe she said thank you, babe. Right,

972
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 1: I don't remember, but okay, let's just say she did. Right.

973
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 3: Fader didn't take kind to that, but here it is

974
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 3: is now. I don't know if that was in I mean,

975
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 3: some people might say that was inappropriate. I didn't think

976
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 3: it was inappropriate. I mean, hell, we're all on this

977
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 3: platform together, right, we're all.

978
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: How did pay to see that? You go through your phone?

979
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: She went through the phone while you were asleep. No,

980
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: we were right there.

981
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 3: Well, we were kind of like laying there and I

982
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 3: was like whatever, and she I think something happened.

983
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: I just know a shoe came flying by me and

984
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: the guy and then shoe hit the hit the wall. Yeah,

985
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 1: like she literally threw the shoe at me through a

986
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 1: high hill at me. Wait what Yeah, she's seen it

987
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: and through the high hill and uh yeah, I had

988
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: my back turned. So she's back there, and I'm so

989
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: I sleep on the side of the bed that's closer

990
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: to the wall.

991
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember that house. Did you

992
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 3: go to the yes, yeah, and the one and bucket

993
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 3: the one in yes.

994
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

995
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: So that's like a little area goes straight to the

996
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 1: bed when you come in. So I was sitting on

997
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 1: that side, and that whole open area is over there,

998
00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: so she threw the shoe and and then it goes

999
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: down from there, and I'm just like, and then that's

1000
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: I guess that fueled her to say, why are you

1001
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: you know, doing this with my husband? Da da da da?

1002
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: And then Kenya goes on the defense like what are

1003
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: you talking about?

1004
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 2: It?

1005
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: At first it was like, then it just gets a

1006
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: little more deeper and deeper.

1007
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 2: You know, it definitely got deeper, so much so that

1008
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 2: obviously you know when you guys were in Anguilla and

1009
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 2: you threw Kenya in the pool.

1010
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: No, that's not how that happened. Okay, that's not how

1011
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: I was. I didn't work that season. You tell me

1012
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: you run it back ahead, talk to me.

1013
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:41,720
Speaker 3: I'm there, chilling, all out, chilling there, Greg niney rest

1014
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 3: in peace. They're over there. Uh Fhager's over there with

1015
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 3: them in the cabana portioning cradels over here, and I

1016
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 3: don't know, Peter's somewhere right there, and I'm there chilling

1017
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 3: talking to the guys.

1018
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: She walks by and she pushes me in the pool.

1019
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, that's what she did.

1020
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 3: And then you know, she makes her little side eye

1021
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 3: and she does her little comments under her breath. I

1022
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 3: don't know what she's saying, right, but the camera's called it.

1023
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 3: And so I get oh, it's game on, playtime, let's

1024
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 3: go all competitive. Yeah, So I get out the pool

1025
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 3: and quite naturally, she's going in that water. So that's

1026
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 3: when I scooped her up and we jumped in the pool.

1027
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 3: So it wasn't like I just gonna come and pick

1028
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 3: this woman up and she she got a man there

1029
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 3: and I'm just gonna throw in the water. No, I'm

1030
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 3: not that you know that raising but you know I

1031
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 3: could be, but not that night, so that I mean,

1032
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 3: you know, so people, you know, they I didn't see

1033
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 3: anything wrong with man. We were all having a good time.

1034
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,439
Speaker 3: People were drinking more on vacation, come on, but hey,

1035
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 3: it's for the tvous reality TV, right.

1036
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 2: Well, I think a lot of it had to do

1037
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 2: with the fact that, you know, listen, it was evident

1038
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:56,240
Speaker 2: that and listen, what started was a healthy conversation amongst

1039
00:47:56,239 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 2: couples was appropriate or inappropriate, so much so that I again,

1040
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 2: correct me if I'm wrong. I do believe Kenya texts

1041
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,720
Speaker 2: you thank you, babe, and a lot of women said

1042
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 2: a single woman should never text a married man the

1043
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 2: word babe, and Kenya has apologized for that, right because.

1044
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: Again is what you said.

1045
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 2: We were learning how to navigate through this, and I

1046
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 2: also think you just learned, like I'm being competitive to

1047
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 2: this woman because you know, she pushed me in the pool. First,

1048
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get her back, and my wife is there,

1049
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 2: so I'm not trying to do anything, you know, because

1050
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,280
Speaker 2: my wife is there. But then it became something crazy

1051
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 2: when conversations started to occur where you accuse Kenya of

1052
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 2: trying to suck your dick, and that's when things became.

1053
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 1: That's not funny but crazy. I was thinking about some

1054
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: other stuff too.

1055
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 2: Did you tell Faedra that because you wanted to just

1056
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 2: get her off your case and get the hell out

1057
00:48:59,200 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 2: of your head?

1058
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 3: Well, a couple of things, if we're I didn't know

1059
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 3: that the show was going to get so convoluted and

1060
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 3: that it was going to be like an eye for

1061
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 3: an eye and everybody's gonna do that, because that's not

1062
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 3: because if you recall like the very first the first year, right,

1063
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,439
Speaker 3: I was there, but I wasn't really there, true, right,

1064
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 3: So I didn't. It wasn't until like maybe something happened

1065
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 3: at one of the reunions where it was like I

1066
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 3: think Stephen was he was back there and he was like,

1067
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 3: says something to me, like something like you can talk

1068
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 3: or something like that. He was making a joke and

1069
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 3: was like, dude, why don't you express yourself? Like how

1070
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 3: come you just always stay dormant? He was like, man,

1071
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 3: you did really well, like why aren't you speaking? And

1072
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 3: I was just like, well, you know, fuck it out

1073
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 3: all right, cool, Okay, I'll do better next time, yes,

1074
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 3: And so I started coming out of my shell a

1075
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,800
Speaker 3: little more, and I didn't know that it was gonna

1076
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 3: be to the point where everybody is going to just

1077
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 3: try to, you know, rip your soul out and always

1078
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,760
Speaker 3: take you know, and take everything for face value.

1079
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: And so when we were having just like I say,

1080
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 1: if all of us went on.

1081
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 3: Vacation and we're friends per se, and we're all friends,

1082
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 3: and we all dying together, we all go out together,

1083
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 3: we all do these things together. I wouldn't have a

1084
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,399
Speaker 3: problem if if my wife said, babe to you are

1085
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 3: if you and her were.

1086
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: I got homeboys.

1087
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 3: Now like shoot me and Sharen has gotten into situations

1088
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 3: and I'm some man might find it messed up, right,

1089
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 3: My boys will take make sure that my wife is okay,

1090
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 3: give her a car to drive to come home and

1091
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 3: she drunk, take care of whatever. Because we're friends, so

1092
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:45,919
Speaker 3: I don't think nothing about it. And if she calls

1093
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 3: them babe or says, oh you look good, babe or whatever,

1094
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't look at that.

1095
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: It's funny because I mean, my relationship is a little

1096
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: different my friends. The way we roll is different. I

1097
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: don't I don't feel intimidated by anything like that. But

1098
00:50:58,040 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: now on the other side of.

1099
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 3: It, when we're at that reunion, I wouldn't have said nothing.

1100
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 3: It's like this, I've let by guns be bygones, I

1101
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:11,399
Speaker 3: let everything be chill. But when Kenya she did open

1102
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,760
Speaker 3: her mouth and start saying stuff about I've been texting

1103
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 3: her and although stop your man from texting me and

1104
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 3: da da da da. Nah, you don't do that because

1105
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 3: there was did anybody look at the text messages.

1106
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 1: And see what was all in the text messages?

1107
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 3: There could have been a lot of things that was

1108
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 3: inappropriate in the messages, okay, but once you put that

1109
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 3: out there, that's when I said.

1110
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:34,439
Speaker 1: Okay, all gloves are off.

1111
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 3: You know what Okay, since we're gonna put on we're

1112
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 3: on this TV show and y'all want to act stupid,

1113
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 3: let's act stupid.

1114
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:42,399
Speaker 1: Since that's what you want to do. Okay, I'm gonna

1115
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 1: give it to you.

1116
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 3: First of all, you shouldn't have opened your mouth and said

1117
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 3: nothing about You shouldn't have said nothing that. You should

1118
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 3: have just left that out and y'all just argue about

1119
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:49,479
Speaker 3: whatever y'all arguing about.

1120
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: But now you feel like you Yeah, you came from me.

1121
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:53,240
Speaker 1: I'm sitting back.

1122
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 3: Here on the chair or wherever I was that right

1123
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,280
Speaker 3: there on the side. Dude, you should have never opened

1124
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 3: your mouth because I didn't open my mouth about you.

1125
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 3: I didn't say nothing.

1126
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: I didn't say I've never said anything about you. You

1127
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 1: started it, not me. That's how I felt about it.

1128
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 2: So you felt it was an eye for an eye

1129
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 2: going back to this competitiveness like you did this. I'm

1130
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 2: going to get at you. And is that the reason

1131
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 2: why you did lie about what she was trying to

1132
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:21,879
Speaker 2: offer you.

1133
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the reason. But also it was also a

1134
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 1: lot of it was calculated too, because this is why

1135
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: if you look at the whole thing, Okay, and people

1136
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,879
Speaker 1: can everyone has an opinion. I feel like a lot

1137
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 1: of that ride, A lot of that ride was based

1138
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: on her notoriety. I think a lot of that came

1139
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: with the coreum between her and Phaeder. Right, Oh, that

1140
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 1: was a beef, right me.

1141
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 3: Then after that post that, it came the infidelity situation

1142
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 3: that rode on for a whole season.

1143
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 1: I go to prison. So the part that this is

1144
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:02,959
Speaker 1: the other part.

1145
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 3: So how I turned around and I'm thinking about the longevity,

1146
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 3: about Phaser, about the longevity of the show, about her

1147
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 3: still having a staple in the program. So the best

1148
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 3: thing I can do is it's a ripple effect and

1149
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 3: people don't see that, but you have to put you

1150
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 3: have to put those pieces out there, and you have

1151
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 3: to look long term. So I looked at it when

1152
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,399
Speaker 3: I made that statement, and I did what I did

1153
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 3: because it was part of it was calculated. So when

1154
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 3: I do what I when I did what I did,

1155
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 3: I'm looking three four seasons down the line, like this

1156
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 3: can't just cut off like this, There's no way. So

1157
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 3: now by me going to prison and me telling everybody

1158
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 3: at Peter's restaurant at the bar one that this was

1159
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 3: all a lie, then I said, what the fuck?

1160
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,399
Speaker 1: Okay, it's a lie. Now, oh shit.

1161
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 3: So now once I go outside and I apologize to Kenya,

1162
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 3: now here you go all this other shit and then

1163
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 3: people don't really know if it's true or not true.

1164
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:54,399
Speaker 1: So then here you go.

1165
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 3: Now everybody's gonna talk about this, talk about that, and

1166
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 3: then I gotta go.

1167
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to weigh her. Phaser can figure it out

1168
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 1: down the line, whatever whatever.

1169
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 2: So you were trying to set up Phedra to have

1170
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 2: staying power on the show. You knew you were going

1171
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 2: away because one thing about the night of Bar one.

1172
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 2: I remember talking to you and you felt like, I

1173
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 2: just want to clear the air before I go in, yep,

1174
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 2: And you were like, lows, I want to say this

1175
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 2: to her. And Faedia wasn't there that night, and you

1176
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 2: know you have the courage to, you know, admit that

1177
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 2: to Kenya, who at the time.

1178
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 1: She said she felt that.

1179
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 2: She had like this scarlet letter on her, that she

1180
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 2: was somebody who would offer filatio to marry man.

1181
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,879
Speaker 1: And I believe what she said.

1182
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 2: I'm paraphrasing, but she she felt like the world thought

1183
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 2: she was that type of woman who would do that

1184
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 2: to a marry man. Kudos to you, obviously, you know,

1185
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 2: admitting to it, A lot of people did want to know.

1186
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 1: If Faeder put you up to that.

1187
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:14,879
Speaker 2: No, you did that all in around, and she believed it.

1188
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she believed that part. Yeah, she believed.

1189
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 3: It because I mean I just stood my I just

1190
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 3: stood my ground.

1191
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: I stood my ground, you you know, and you know

1192
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 1: I still felt how I still felt, how I felt

1193
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 1: about You know, a man knows how far I think

1194
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: he can go with a woman, you know, given the

1195
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: given the circumstance.

1196
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,399
Speaker 3: Again, I don't think and I'm not minimizing it. I'm

1197
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 3: not saying it didn't hurt her, right. It might have

1198
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 3: hurt her emotionally, it didn't hurt her financially either one.

1199
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 1: Either one, either one.

1200
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 3: It hurt both of them emotionally, but financially it didn't

1201
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 3: hurt and for as their career, it didn't hurt. And

1202
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 3: you know, you're not gonna be who's looking at you interpersonally.

1203
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 3: If whatever your preference is and whatever you choose to

1204
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,760
Speaker 3: do as an individual, who's looking at you whose opinion

1205
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 3: really matters, that's an interpersonal thing. So if someone's the

1206
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,919
Speaker 3: world is looking at you as being a hormonger, looking

1207
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 3: at you as being a person who offers married men filatio.

1208
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 1: What are we talking about? Who says that? Who's really

1209
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: saying that to you? Nobody.

1210
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:33,760
Speaker 3: You're just going by what might be in the media.

1211
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 3: You might go by what's being on the tweets at

1212
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 3: that time or the Instagram post or whatever it is

1213
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:43,720
Speaker 3: the comments. But overall, I'm not saying I'm not negating

1214
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 3: the fact that the individual might have been hurt and

1215
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 3: felt humiliated.

1216
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. But but if I'm a married

1217
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: man and you know that I'm married, and you take

1218
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:56,800
Speaker 1: a jab at me telling my wife on National TV,

1219
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 1: tell your husband to stop texting me or what whatever?

1220
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: That looks bad? What does that look like I'm doing?

1221
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 2: You?

1222
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: Did you consider that? Nobody considered that part.

1223
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 3: That's why I just did what I did and nipped

1224
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:12,879
Speaker 3: it in the bud right then and there and just said, okay,

1225
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 3: let's go for this ride.

1226
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: Then let's go for this ride. Because you're already.

1227
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 3: If you're in a relationship and a person tells you

1228
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 3: that your significant other and our husband is texting me

1229
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 3: another person of interest, what are you gonna speculate? It

1230
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 3: ain't gonna be good.

1231
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: You're gonna speculate the worst.

1232
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 2: What happened after you guys were going home after the

1233
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 2: reunion when she said stop texting me because at that

1234
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 2: time Phaeder was pregnant and she obviously is dealing with

1235
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 2: the pregnancy, dealing being emotional. Was there an argument on

1236
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 2: the way home after the reunion? I'm like, are you

1237
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 2: what do you mean? You texted her stuff like that thing?

1238
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: Man, I was about to say, Sharin, No, so face

1239
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: your nine. We don't. We really didn't argue like that,

1240
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 1: you know, there was no there was. She says what

1241
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 1: she says, I say what I said. We more so

1242
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: would talk about certain things. First.

1243
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 3: No, there was some times that we would jump the gun,

1244
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 3: but we tried to work on that, Like, hey, before

1245
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 3: we just jumped the gun, let's just ask the question,

1246
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 3: Mari Nate. Because she's an attorney too, you got to

1247
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 3: think like she tries to be calculated as well. So

1248
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 3: it's like, okay, she might throw something out there, ask

1249
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 3: the questions like, all right, cool, you want to talk

1250
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 3: about it now, you want to answer it later, get

1251
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 3: your lie together, the type of thing, you know. But no,

1252
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 3: we didn't really discuss it at all. I mean, you

1253
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 3: think about what we're dealing with other things. We got

1254
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 3: a newborn coming in, we got to figure out other stuff.

1255
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 3: So it's just like, Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna stand

1256
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 3: on my ground.

1257
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: That's what it's gonna be. That's what it was.

1258
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 3: Because remember the text messages was back in I think

1259
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 3: it was whenever she was on that on the show

1260
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 3: when I said to shoot flying a question.

1261
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 1: So, but what we make her say that?

1262
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 3: At the reunion? Why would she throw me under the bus?

1263
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 3: She was mad at Phaser for what? What was the

1264
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 3: what was the topic of conversation. I think maybe Phaser

1265
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 3: said something about you want my man or something. I

1266
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 3: can't remember exactly how that started.

1267
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: But now you had a listen that season.

1268
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 2: So season seven is when you got sentenced and you

1269
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 2: were on the way of going to jail. During that

1270
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 2: season is when you discovered that your wife, speaking of texting,

1271
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 2: was texting another man that was labeled mister Chocolate. How

1272
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 2: did you find that out? You did you go through

1273
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 2: her phone too?

1274
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 1: See, yes, I went through her phone. I went through

1275
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 1: her phone.

1276
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 3: She used to safeguard her phone like it was like

1277
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, kind of like they do down

1278
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 3: at the Federal Reserve.

1279
00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: You know and uh, this particular day, Aiden had or

1280
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 1: no Dylan, so one of them had a rash.

1281
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 3: And you know, back when, I don't think people was

1282
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 3: just touching the iPhone and turning the camera on from

1283
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 3: the screen. They had to open the phone and go

1284
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 3: to the camera. I'm on camera the flashlight, not camera,

1285
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 3: the flashlight. So we were in the room back then,

1286
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 3: I don't think she wanted to turn the lights on,

1287
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 3: so she used the flashlight to look and it was like,

1288
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 3: I'll not forget this. So that morning we were going,

1289
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 3: I wanted to make sure that you know, my children

1290
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 3: travel a lot, and you know, both parents have to

1291
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 3: be present for the passport and all that stuff.

1292
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: So I did all the dogs.

1293
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 3: Want to make sure that all their passports were up

1294
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 3: to date while I was gone. While I was gone,

1295
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 3: so we had an appointment to go get the passports

1296
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 3: to go send the applications and stuff in at the

1297
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 3: post office. So while we're getting ready to go, I

1298
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 3: see the phone with the light on. It means the

1299
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 3: phone's open. She goes to the other room. I take

1300
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 3: the phone. I go upstairs. I go in Dylan's room.

1301
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 3: I hide off in there and I'm going through the phone,

1302
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 3: and I see all these messages with her and the

1303
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 3: guy flirting her, sending him these pictures and talking about

1304
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 3: you know.

1305
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 1: I mean it was all they showed it, all this

1306
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 1: all online.

1307
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 3: How she had a couple of drinks, she's feeling a

1308
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 3: certain way and I just unappropriate shit, and how she

1309
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 3: can't wait for me to leave. So I guess that

1310
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 3: they can do whatever they're doing. I mean, hell, that's

1311
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 3: what she texted, not me, you know. And I don't

1312
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 3: know if you remember I did that interview not too

1313
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 3: far from mirror. Yeah, so all and then at that

1314
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 3: point I came downstairs and I was like, I was

1315
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 3: pissed off at the same time, there's an agenda. So

1316
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 3: I told her mom. I said a couple of things

1317
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 3: to her mom. Her mom was in disbelief, said some

1318
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 3: things to her. We got in the car and handled

1319
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 3: our business. I didn't yell at her in the car,

1320
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 3: none of that stuff. I just said, you know what,

1321
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 3: we're gonna handle our shit. We'll deal with this like later.

1322
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 3: That's how you look at me, that's what you feel, okay, cool.

1323
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 3: I don't expect I really didn't have any expectations me

1324
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 3: going to prison. You what you gonna hold it down,

1325
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 3: You're gonna you know, I really didn't.

1326
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 2: I don't know what it feels like to know that

1327
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 2: in a matter of days you're going to be sentenced

1328
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 2: to prison for five years and what that does to

1329
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 2: a person's mental right. And that's why there's no judgment

1330
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 2: here how you handled it, because I have no idea

1331
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 2: what that feels like. I don't know what it's like

1332
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 2: to know you get sentenced, but you're you're able to,

1333
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 2: you know, be free in the world. But in the

1334
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 2: back of your mind, you know there's an end day

1335
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 2: of you being you know.

1336
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 1: It's like your interin. Let's just say, imagine this is

1337
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 1: your road and that this box right here and this

1338
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 1: is the cliff, right, So you're on this little.

1339
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 3: Train and it's echine, but you know it's evitable. You've

1340
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 3: got to get to the ends some point. Right it's

1341
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 3: inchin and you're gonna fall off, but you know that

1342
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 3: you're just kind of just doing what you're doing, living

1343
01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 3: every day, basically surviving, but internal you're eating alive. And

1344
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 3: the problem is with that my relationship and my wife

1345
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:10,479
Speaker 3: at the time, there was nothing cultivated. There's no love.

1346
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 3: It was dark, it was like you turned your back

1347
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 3: on me. That's how I felt. So when I mean what,

1348
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 3: I'm going to continue to feel that way. Why, Okay,

1349
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 3: let me tell you why. And that's how she thinks

1350
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 3: that Charene. There was a lot of infidelity and this

1351
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 3: person cheated and Scharene was sleeping with a marry man.

1352
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 3: That's not true. That's not true because what happened. I

1353
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 3: met a person through one of my good friends, my

1354
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 3: childhood friend, which was Scharen. I met her through Gordon

1355
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 3: and during that time, I met Sharene the second. That's

1356
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 3: when I think Beyonce and jay Z started doing the

1357
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 3: butt Fest in Philadelphia. That's like a big thing they do.

1358
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 3: They shut the whole Center city down or something like that.

1359
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 3: It's it's a big thing. And they got like ten stages.

1360
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 3: It's real big. So I meet her through my friend

1361
01:03:55,920 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 3: on September second of twenty twenty three, just as friends

1362
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 3: being out.

1363
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 1: There was nothing about it. You met her September second,

1364
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:09,439
Speaker 1: twenty No, sorry, twenty thirteen. I'm sorry. Yeah, it's glad,

1365
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 1: glad you come, yeah, twenty thirteen, September second, I was

1366
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 1: already we were already going through stuff. Phaser and nine.

1367
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 1: It was already tromoltuous. We were already trying to figure

1368
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 1: out Even before we went and bought the house. We

1369
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 1: were thinking about, hey, is this the right thing to do?

1370
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:31,080
Speaker 3: But then she gets pregnant with Dylan, It's like, okay,

1371
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 3: maybe we should work this out.

1372
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 1: Stick things in, let's just figure it out. So October

1373
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 1: thirteenth or October twelfth is when the Secret Service came,

1374
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 1: and that's when we knew, Okay, this is what's about

1375
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 1: to happen.

1376
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 3: Don't know when, but at some point, you know something's

1377
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 3: gonna shake. I mean I already knew that because once they,

1378
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 3: you know, did their little warrant and all that stuff.

1379
01:04:57,240 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 3: So when I first told Phaguer about it, she kind

1380
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 3: of just turned the blind eye to it.

1381
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is serious. Oh whatever.

1382
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 3: So then life continues to go on, so I have

1383
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 3: no one to talk to. So once that happened, I

1384
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 3: jump on a plane. I go see my guy in Philly,

1385
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 3: and I went and I saw Cherene and we talked,

1386
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 3: and I laid on her couch and it was the

1387
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 3: warmest feeling ever.

1388
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 1: The couch or her body. No, at the couch. She

1389
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:32,959
Speaker 1: was in the kitchen. She's a chef.

1390
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:34,520
Speaker 3: She cooked, so she was in the kitchen but she

1391
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 3: was doing something and we were just talking and I

1392
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 3: just kind of shut down.

1393
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 1: I wasn't myself and she was like, what's wrong?

1394
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 3: And I just broke down and I was just telling

1395
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 3: her like, I feel really bad because I'm about It's

1396
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 3: not about what happened. Yes, I'm remorseful for that, but

1397
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 3: it was more so I'm about to leave my children.

1398
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 3: All I could think about is relationship that I had

1399
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 3: with Aiden. Dylan was one, but I was about to

1400
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 3: leave my little boy. You know, I'm about to leave

1401
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 3: me a little guy, and that's fucked up. He's gonna

1402
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 3: he needs me, Like this is fucked up. And that's

1403
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 3: how I felt. And then she was just like and

1404
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 3: I was like, man, it feels like my wife has

1405
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:11,920
Speaker 3: just turned her back on me. I have no one

1406
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 3: to talk to. I don't want to throw my business

1407
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 3: out there in the streets.

1408
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 1: Okay.

1409
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 3: So at that point it was really two people. It

1410
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 3: was her and Gordon for the most part.

1411
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 1: That I was like, you know, confiding in and so

1412
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:24,800
Speaker 1: if I have people, you know, people are like my guy,

1413
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 1: you know, Bun. He was supportive, but here it is

1414
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:30,720
Speaker 1: I'm laying on the sofa and she just looks at

1415
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 1: me and she holds my hand and says, like, you know,

1416
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 1: just chill stop, you know, don't cry. It's gonna be okay.

1417
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 3: I'm your friend, she says, I'm here for you.

1418
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 1: You need me, I'm here for you. Cool.

1419
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 3: So all the time we would talk on the phone

1420
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 3: all the time. It was just more so like it

1421
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 3: was moral support. It's a lot of moral support. So

1422
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 3: then when the next episode came, I'm still talking to

1423
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:55,920
Speaker 3: phase of trying to she's still not really trying to

1424
01:06:55,960 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 3: hear me out. I remember when I think the next

1425
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 3: thing was like an arraignment or something. She wasn't present.

1426
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 3: Then when it came time for you know, for the

1427
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:11,440
Speaker 3: attorneys and stuff like that. You know, there was some

1428
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 3: some pivotal moments like she was she was present for that.

1429
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 3: You know, she was present for that. Financially, she helped out.

1430
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 3: But here it is collectively, we're we're husband and wife, right,

1431
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 3: We're supposed to share, right, everything is shared and so forth.

1432
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:28,959
Speaker 1: So I felt a certain way about that.

1433
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:33,560
Speaker 3: Then as it started getting a little thicker, because we're

1434
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:37,440
Speaker 3: getting we're getting into it to fourteen now, and there's

1435
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 3: a couple of chain of events that occurred with you know,

1436
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 3: legally where she's not available, and at that point, I'm

1437
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:47,920
Speaker 3: just like, man, you know what, this is not for me.

1438
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 1: You thought the marriage was at that point.

1439
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 3: So you've basically just your your image and your career

1440
01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 3: is more important than what's going on right here. But

1441
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:03,439
Speaker 3: remember you known me and all of this before, because

1442
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 3: remember we got on the show together. It's not like

1443
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:07,600
Speaker 3: you got on the show then brought me on the show. No,

1444
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 3: collectively we made this. Yeah, you had the segue, you know,

1445
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 3: getting us on the show, but at the same time,

1446
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 3: it was collective effort. And I've been there from day one,

1447
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:19,840
Speaker 3: day at the camera's roll, even on the interview day

1448
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 3: one at the office. So I just felt like you

1449
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:25,760
Speaker 3: just started to just really turn and I really saw that.

1450
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 3: Let me tell you when I really really seen that

1451
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:30,799
Speaker 3: is and I'm glad this happened.

1452
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 1: Was when.

1453
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:36,799
Speaker 3: And nothing about like Sharene and my brother and everyone

1454
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:39,679
Speaker 3: he was a support to. Michael was a big support.

1455
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:43,720
Speaker 3: But when you got a person who takes you to

1456
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 3: prison to self surrender and that rids with you the

1457
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 3: whole time and it never waves every phone call, every visit,

1458
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 3: I mean from Kentucky to Jersey, you know, being in

1459
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 3: Atlanta and then being away from their child at the time,

1460
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:01,880
Speaker 3: that goes a long way, you know, because they have

1461
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 3: obligations too, But then they're still committed as a friend.

1462
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:07,519
Speaker 3: They're committed to their friend. And you got people out

1463
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:10,880
Speaker 3: there that just like that, you know. When I came back,

1464
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 3: Oh and a matter of fact, and the same person

1465
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 3: that picks you up when it's time to go home,

1466
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 3: you know, So it goes a long way. But that

1467
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 3: day that I came to the house, the very last

1468
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:26,720
Speaker 3: time that I was filmed on Bravo prior to me

1469
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 3: coming back, there was a Caucasian guy at the house.

1470
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:32,479
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's a pr I don't know

1471
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 3: who he is. I don't know what someone's you know,

1472
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 3: put in this gentleman's head. This guy thought that somehow

1473
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 3: either Faser made me or that house belonged to her,

1474
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:47,559
Speaker 3: that I'm just I don't know what he's conjured in

1475
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:49,280
Speaker 3: his head, that I'm just some bum, that I don't

1476
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 3: have nothing. I don't know what he thought, but literally,

1477
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:54,880
Speaker 3: this man tells her. He tells me to get out

1478
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 3: of my house. He tells me to get.

1479
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 1: Out number one.

1480
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 3: Okay, that's definitely not gonna happen, right, and then he

1481
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 3: tells her that this is not good for your career.

1482
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:09,080
Speaker 3: You need to leave him. This is what this guy

1483
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:10,680
Speaker 3: is saying right in my four yer, right there at

1484
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 3: the house jet in bucket. So you know, I got

1485
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:18,240
Speaker 3: really aggressive, not really aggressive, but like verbally verbal with

1486
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:21,759
Speaker 3: the guy, A stern, not aggressive stern. I said, listen,

1487
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 3: you know it's probably how about you get out of

1488
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:25,760
Speaker 3: my house? How about you get out? You know, I

1489
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:29,200
Speaker 3: don't I don't need your services or whatever whatever was said.

1490
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 3: And at that point it just clicked. I said, you

1491
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:36,960
Speaker 3: know what, someone's been really putting things in your head,

1492
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 3: you know, because this doesn't really depict who you are,

1493
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:41,599
Speaker 3: who I known you to be a long time ago.

1494
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 1: This is not the same person, but you.

1495
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 2: Said, it's not the same lawyer woman you met when

1496
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 2: you got out of jail and who accused herself from

1497
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:52,160
Speaker 2: the case, who said to you, I'll be with you,

1498
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 2: but it's gonna be serious, dropped her engagement to be

1499
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 2: with you, stuck by.

1500
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:00,639
Speaker 1: You, to introduce you to this world.

1501
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 2: You felt that same woman wasn't having your back because

1502
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 2: so you felt, listen, you felt disappointed. I'm assuming, and

1503
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 2: you felt.

1504
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 1: Abandoned, abandoned, and betrayed. Man, you felt abandoned and betrayed.

1505
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:21,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean because look everything that I had, I shared, everything,

1506
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 3: everything I had I shared. I put everything that I

1507
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 3: could possibly do into whatever. And then here it is.

1508
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 1: We fall on some hard times and you just pun

1509
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:32,920
Speaker 1: shoot the other way. That's not how That's not what

1510
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 1: love is about. That's not what friendship is about. You

1511
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:39,479
Speaker 1: don't just run the opposite direction just because the pope.

1512
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 1: Do you know, and you talk about things that's relatable,

1513
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:43,719
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Things have happened to people.

1514
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:46,919
Speaker 3: It seems like TV tears people apart when it shouldn't.

1515
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 3: You're supposed to be strong enough to know that, Hey,

1516
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 3: look we're going through some shit right now.

1517
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:54,040
Speaker 1: We need to fight through it. Let's figure it out.

1518
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:57,720
Speaker 1: I'm here. There's no way that I can't see my

1519
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 1: kids for five some years. But the fact that says

1520
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:02,600
Speaker 1: we're going to pay you to go up to the

1521
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 1: jail that's the only time I get to see my

1522
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:12,679
Speaker 1: kids because you was compensated financially. That's wild, man, that's wild.

1523
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:13,920
Speaker 1: So when you.

1524
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 2: Okay, so going back a little bit, when you saw

1525
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:21,920
Speaker 2: those text messages between Phaedeor and Mitchell chocolate were you

1526
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:24,840
Speaker 2: did you already meet Sharene or did you meet her

1527
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:25,479
Speaker 2: after that?

1528
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 3: I think I think I already met her. I think

1529
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:37,080
Speaker 3: so because the chalklate thing. So yeah, because the chocolate

1530
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:42,720
Speaker 3: thing came. Probably, I want to say, after the new year,

1531
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 3: going into fourteen, I think so.

1532
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:49,479
Speaker 2: So was it sort of like you two were mentally

1533
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 2: checked out of the marriage. She's supposed you know, she's

1534
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:58,679
Speaker 2: texting another man. You're sleeping on another woman's couch.

1535
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 1: Now, I wasn't sleeping on the couch, not laying on

1536
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 1: I laid on the couch.

1537
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:09,639
Speaker 2: So would it be fair to say that you two

1538
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 2: were mentally checked out around the same time for whatever reason?

1539
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:17,680
Speaker 3: Hey, I think if people are mentally checked out, it

1540
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:18,640
Speaker 3: should be a discussion.

1541
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:25,280
Speaker 2: Did did Fedra know that that was your girlfriend?

1542
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:29,880
Speaker 3: It don't matter because we're not even talking. She's not

1543
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:32,200
Speaker 3: coming to see me, she's not supportive. I'm paid for

1544
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 3: my own phone calls to call my kids. You don't

1545
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:36,600
Speaker 3: put money on my books. She don't send me a

1546
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 3: dime in jail, So what does it matter?

1547
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 1: All I asked her was one thing I said, don't

1548
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:45,200
Speaker 1: not because we're not getting a divorce. Let's get this

1549
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 1: clear for everybody. The divorce was was was imminent, Okay,

1550
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 1: it was. Don't get a divorce while I'm in prison.

1551
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 3: Why because I want to sit down with our kids

1552
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:02,320
Speaker 3: and let them know that we're at the impast Both

1553
01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:05,639
Speaker 3: parents love them equally. This is just what people go through,

1554
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:08,600
Speaker 3: like just cultivating the children so they're not exposed to

1555
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:10,719
Speaker 3: just oh, your mom and dad's not together no more,

1556
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:14,599
Speaker 3: and whatever's in the media. Let's just ease them into

1557
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 3: what's going on a better understanding, because the way it

1558
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 3: is nowadays, husbands and wives they just break up and

1559
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:24,400
Speaker 3: the kids are just left out there in the cold.

1560
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:30,040
Speaker 3: They have no understanding. The parents are selfish. All I

1561
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:32,240
Speaker 3: cared about is just allow my children to see it

1562
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 3: from a different perspective. Look, you got two houses, now,

1563
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:38,439
Speaker 3: hey you got you know I'm gonna find somebody. She's

1564
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:41,160
Speaker 3: gonna find somebody. This happens in life, not just leave

1565
01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:43,599
Speaker 3: it up to their own understanding, which that's what happened.

1566
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:45,960
Speaker 3: And so Aida and nine. When I first came home,

1567
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:48,880
Speaker 3: oh man, we just butt heads. He gave it to

1568
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:51,280
Speaker 3: me like he put it on me. Thick you know

1569
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:52,640
Speaker 3: we was a skis on it.

1570
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 1: He just basically just let me have it and then.

1571
01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:58,519
Speaker 1: But just like you, weren't different because he's oh man,

1572
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:00,920
Speaker 1: he just had his own perception. You abandoned me and

1573
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:03,680
Speaker 1: my mom. You wasn't there for me. How could you

1574
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:05,600
Speaker 1: do this? How did you leave us like that?

1575
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:09,680
Speaker 3: Why you know that wasn't the plan, buddy. You you

1576
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 3: put me in a different You put me in a

1577
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:14,760
Speaker 3: whole nother situation if you would have been a little supportive.

1578
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:17,880
Speaker 3: How many times did you tell my son or my

1579
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:21,240
Speaker 3: sons that I loved him, are daddy Daddy loves you guys,

1580
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 3: and you know he'll be home soon? Or just how

1581
01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:26,800
Speaker 3: many times did you I guarantee you probably none, probably nothing.

1582
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:30,960
Speaker 3: But these things helped they go along ways, you know.

1583
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:35,720
Speaker 3: So when I say that, you know, uh checked out

1584
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:37,519
Speaker 3: and all that stuff, I just could kind of see

1585
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:39,840
Speaker 3: a lot of things coming beforehand.

1586
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:45,200
Speaker 1: But when you show your true colors, your hand is exposed.

1587
01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:49,559
Speaker 3: So regardless of what I did once I went away,

1588
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 3: you were showing me already that you don't care. And

1589
01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 3: you know the thing about it was, once I left Kentucky,

1590
01:15:57,760 --> 01:15:59,400
Speaker 3: I asked her, I said, hey, all I want to

1591
01:15:59,400 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 3: do is see my key.

1592
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:00,800
Speaker 1: That's it.

1593
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:03,800
Speaker 3: I'll pay for the flight, I'll have my brother to

1594
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:06,760
Speaker 3: fly with them, I'll pay for a hotel, I'll pay

1595
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:09,000
Speaker 3: for you to come. Whatever I needed to do.

1596
01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:10,600
Speaker 1: I needed you, guy. I needed to.

1597
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:13,120
Speaker 3: See my kids. Because what that does, It gives me strength.

1598
01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:15,920
Speaker 3: It allows me to still keep fighting, to keep going.

1599
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 3: You know, That's all I wanted, and I couldn't get it,

1600
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:20,760
Speaker 3: so I had to find.

1601
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 1: It from somewhere else.

1602
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:23,639
Speaker 3: I had to dig from within and keep asking God

1603
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 3: just to like allow me to prevail and just give

1604
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:27,320
Speaker 3: me that strength to keep going on.

1605
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:28,720
Speaker 1: So then that's why I would call.

1606
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:30,840
Speaker 3: We would have you know, I would always I would

1607
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:33,760
Speaker 3: always write send them cards. I'd put chocolate in the

1608
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:35,680
Speaker 3: cards and send it to them. I'll do whatever I

1609
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:37,320
Speaker 3: could just to let them know that I loved them.

1610
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 3: And if my mom would get them, then at least

1611
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 3: she would say always try to tell him.

1612
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:43,160
Speaker 1: Hey, you know your daddy loves you. Blah blah blah blah.

1613
01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:44,400
Speaker 1: That's all.

1614
01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:50,479
Speaker 3: But once I saw that, you know, it was pretty

1615
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 3: much she didn't care.

1616
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:53,880
Speaker 1: So I was like, all right, cool, let's move on,

1617
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:55,040
Speaker 1: move on, let's move on.

1618
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:57,679
Speaker 2: So you moved on one of the things that happened

1619
01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:00,280
Speaker 2: that season two was you had your bikes and some

1620
01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:06,519
Speaker 2: belongings and Candy and Tod's garage, and then Phaeder found

1621
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 2: out and no, no, no, she's a nine nine Season nine,

1622
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 2: it was uncovered that your some of your belongings were

1623
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:16,639
Speaker 2: in the garage, and that became a bonus contention between

1624
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:20,759
Speaker 2: Phadri and Candy because Todd felt like, you know, he's

1625
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:24,000
Speaker 2: my boy, I'm a lagat for him. But then you

1626
01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:29,560
Speaker 2: and Todd had a falling out doing this soon thereafter.

1627
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:31,479
Speaker 2: What happened with this falling out that you and Todd

1628
01:17:31,479 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 2: had to the point you two almost gone to a

1629
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:35,439
Speaker 2: physical fight at a at a club.

1630
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:42,640
Speaker 3: Okay, this is the I tried to speak on this

1631
01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:47,840
Speaker 3: topic before, right with.

1632
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:52,600
Speaker 1: With I think, uh, somebody, it's on another another podcast.

1633
01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:57,679
Speaker 3: This was in twenty nineteen, and for everybody out there again,

1634
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:00,960
Speaker 3: you know, hopefully you know Candy and Todd, someone can

1635
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:04,320
Speaker 3: listen and understand where I'm coming from.

1636
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:08,519
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll start with this back in and go back

1637
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 1: go to the front. As a friend. If you give

1638
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:15,200
Speaker 1: me your watch to hold that expensive rolex that you

1639
01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:19,679
Speaker 1: have right well, then Apaulo, don't look they'll call me out.

1640
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:23,400
Speaker 3: Now, go ahead, and you tell me, and you tell

1641
01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:25,920
Speaker 3: me to hold your watch for you, uh, and you're

1642
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 3: gonna come back and get it later on. And as

1643
01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:32,839
Speaker 3: a friend, I take your watch, and then the duration

1644
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:35,080
Speaker 3: of you being gone to come back and get your

1645
01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:37,320
Speaker 3: belongings that belong to you, and I agree to hold

1646
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:41,679
Speaker 3: your watch. We're face level now, really simplistic. Nobody should

1647
01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:46,400
Speaker 3: get lost in this conversation. And I misappropriate your things,

1648
01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:50,280
Speaker 3: whether someone steals it, whether I lose it, whether I'm

1649
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:52,679
Speaker 3: moving and I break it, whatever happens.

1650
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:57,360
Speaker 1: If I misappropriate your stuff, your watch, and you return

1651
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:01,120
Speaker 1: to get your stuff and it's not there. Out of

1652
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:05,400
Speaker 1: respect for you as a person, I owe you an

1653
01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:11,040
Speaker 1: explanation as to what happened. What happened? Yeah, here we go.

1654
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:17,040
Speaker 3: I found out about my stuff being misappropriated on TV

1655
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:17,920
Speaker 3: sitting in jail.

1656
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:21,400
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm in jail watching it on TV.

1657
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:26,400
Speaker 3: And hence I get calls from my attorney not to

1658
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:28,680
Speaker 3: call email from my attorney because you got like the

1659
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:31,680
Speaker 3: core link system there saying you need to call me asap.

1660
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:35,920
Speaker 3: And I find out about all this that now there's

1661
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:38,920
Speaker 3: a seizure that I lied on my deposition on my

1662
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:42,479
Speaker 3: because my case was too it was the criminal side,

1663
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:43,160
Speaker 3: and then it was a.

1664
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:47,800
Speaker 1: Forfeiture asset forfeiture and all that stuff. So all this

1665
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 1: starts unraveling. I'm like, what the fuck, what's going on? Okay?

1666
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:57,240
Speaker 3: When I came home, Todd and I spoke on the phone,

1667
01:19:58,160 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 3: Todd would put money on my books at time. Okay,

1668
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:03,120
Speaker 3: Todd would speak to my brother. Todd would, I think,

1669
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:05,720
Speaker 3: email me sometimes when he's not busy. I would get

1670
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:11,599
Speaker 3: this his emails. Nothing, nothing about that. When I came home,

1671
01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:15,680
Speaker 3: there was nothing about what happened. Hey, man, let me

1672
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:17,719
Speaker 3: pull you to the side. Man, this is what happened.

1673
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:20,000
Speaker 1: I just want to save my face or my wife whatever.

1674
01:20:20,280 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 1: Whatever happened. You never told me. Okay, you left it

1675
01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 1: up for speculation, and speculation can drive a motherfucker crazy.

1676
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:29,200
Speaker 1: So when you came home, was your stuff damage or

1677
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 1: was it gone? Yeah, the fans took it. The fads

1678
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:36,160
Speaker 1: went to Canata's house and took the blog. Now we're

1679
01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:38,599
Speaker 1: going to go to the front. Okay, that's my stand

1680
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:38,800
Speaker 1: on it.

1681
01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:42,400
Speaker 3: You at least owe me. I've never asked you for

1682
01:20:42,439 --> 01:20:44,400
Speaker 3: no money. I don't ask you to replace it. I

1683
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:46,519
Speaker 3: didn't ask for none of that, never have I. I

1684
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:49,240
Speaker 3: don't care about it. It's gone, okay. Yeah, I could

1685
01:20:49,240 --> 01:20:50,800
Speaker 3: be one of those people say, oh, you owe me

1686
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:53,040
Speaker 3: some I don't care. It's not about the money. It's

1687
01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:58,519
Speaker 3: about the principle of saying, hey man, you gave me

1688
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:01,559
Speaker 3: your stuff to hold, and somehow down the line that

1689
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:05,040
Speaker 3: shit ain't there when you return. It's not that's just

1690
01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:08,160
Speaker 3: it's black and white. It's not there. Whatever happened in

1691
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:11,439
Speaker 3: between there, I still deserve. I don't need to ask

1692
01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:13,920
Speaker 3: Phager what happened. I didn't give it to Phagor. I

1693
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:15,000
Speaker 3: gave it to you and your wife.

1694
01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:18,479
Speaker 1: That's it. What happened.

1695
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:21,840
Speaker 3: Now, whether I agree or don't agree, at least out

1696
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:26,200
Speaker 3: of respect for an individual, you let them know what happened. Dude,

1697
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:27,920
Speaker 3: I get your watch, and you come back to get

1698
01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:28,599
Speaker 3: your watch, and I.

1699
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:33,320
Speaker 1: Just I don't hear you what I don't. I'm not

1700
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:37,320
Speaker 1: even replying to what you're saying. And you might be

1701
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:38,519
Speaker 1: a little what does that do?

1702
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:42,800
Speaker 3: That's gonna fuel a little a little animosity, right, It's

1703
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:44,360
Speaker 3: gonna make you feel a certain way. It's gonna make

1704
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:45,960
Speaker 3: you feel like you're chumped off, Like I just really

1705
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:48,559
Speaker 3: disrespected you. So that's on one token. You gotta take

1706
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:51,240
Speaker 3: all that into consideration. So on the front end, it

1707
01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:54,599
Speaker 3: was more so like, look, I have these things off

1708
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:57,759
Speaker 3: the record. I go over there because we were friends,

1709
01:21:57,800 --> 01:22:00,800
Speaker 3: I considered. So I met Todd under these other circumstances.

1710
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:03,360
Speaker 3: I met Todd through his birthday party. There was some

1711
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:05,880
Speaker 3: things that transpired. I won't even get into all that.

1712
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:08,880
Speaker 3: He knows the real I was a genuine person. He

1713
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:11,519
Speaker 3: was supposed to be a genuine person. I met Candy

1714
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:13,680
Speaker 3: a while back. She seemed to be really cool. I

1715
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:16,439
Speaker 3: thought everybody was cool. We were all good. You have

1716
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:18,320
Speaker 3: this big house, you has multiple you have a lot

1717
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:20,880
Speaker 3: of space. You're not utilizing that stuff right now. This

1718
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:29,040
Speaker 3: is my thought. I said, hey, look they have another friend, Greg.

1719
01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:33,639
Speaker 3: Shout out to Greg. Greg's a real one. Definitely, definitely, definitely.

1720
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:40,280
Speaker 3: But when I went over there, I just said, hey,

1721
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:41,880
Speaker 3: look you at the house. Like, yeah, I'm at the house.

1722
01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:44,960
Speaker 3: I pull up, talk to him. Candy's inside getting a

1723
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:47,240
Speaker 3: makeup done or whatever. I said, Yo, listen, I need

1724
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:49,200
Speaker 3: you to run this by Candy. But this is what's

1725
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:53,160
Speaker 3: going on with me. I mentioned him about I think

1726
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:56,160
Speaker 3: I mentioned the whole mister chocolate situation.

1727
01:22:56,320 --> 01:22:57,880
Speaker 1: To him, he was like, damn you for real?

1728
01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:00,160
Speaker 3: Nod and then he I was like, looking, you go

1729
01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:02,400
Speaker 3: get Candy said, well, she's doing a makeup or whatever.

1730
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:04,160
Speaker 1: I said, I don't think she in mind? Like, can

1731
01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:08,519
Speaker 1: you tell her to come out? Cool? Excuse me that

1732
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:10,759
Speaker 1: little side door right there when you go up their driveway,

1733
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:12,960
Speaker 1: she comes out the little side door right there, say yoh,

1734
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:13,400
Speaker 1: what's up?

1735
01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:15,720
Speaker 3: I was like, look, man, this is what's going on.

1736
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:17,720
Speaker 3: I want to talk to y'all together and let you know.

1737
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:20,840
Speaker 3: You know, I appreciate everything y'all done for me over

1738
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:23,120
Speaker 3: the years. You know, it's been a good one. But

1739
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:25,559
Speaker 3: this is my first time letting them people know. It

1740
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:28,120
Speaker 3: hasn't even hit yet that the Secret Service came and

1741
01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:33,400
Speaker 3: I could potentially be going away. Okay, nobody knows but me,

1742
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:39,800
Speaker 3: my family, scharene in them, and my attorney. I haven't

1743
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:41,920
Speaker 3: even told Bravo nothing yet. So I go to him.

1744
01:23:42,439 --> 01:23:47,880
Speaker 3: I said, look, this is what's going on. Can I

1745
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:50,599
Speaker 3: put my stuff over here? How do y'all feel about that?

1746
01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:52,240
Speaker 1: Well?

1747
01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:54,160
Speaker 3: When are you coming back? I said, well, I don't know.

1748
01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:56,599
Speaker 3: It could be you know, five six years. I'm not sure.

1749
01:23:56,960 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 1: Okay, cool, no problem, I said, look, just hold my

1750
01:23:58,960 --> 01:23:59,640
Speaker 1: stuff down. Here goes.

1751
01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:01,639
Speaker 3: I'm bring it up. When you're gonna bring it, I said,

1752
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:03,120
Speaker 3: I'll bring it in a couple of days. Okay, just

1753
01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:05,160
Speaker 3: let us know it's safe here. You know it's cool

1754
01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 3: with us, no problem. Took my stuff over there, left

1755
01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:13,440
Speaker 3: the keys, left my stuff.

1756
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:18,240
Speaker 1: Here, you go. Well, it's supposed to be quiet as kept.

1757
01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:23,880
Speaker 3: Candy shouldn't go on Andy Cohen talking about my stuff

1758
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:27,200
Speaker 3: being in their garage. This is a federal case, man,

1759
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:30,759
Speaker 3: This potentially almost cost me five more years for perjury

1760
01:24:32,280 --> 01:24:36,800
Speaker 3: lying under oath. Okay, it's not a joke.

1761
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:38,439
Speaker 1: I didn't.

1762
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:42,040
Speaker 3: It might seem like a good storyline, but but you're

1763
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 3: dealing with someone's freedom, So then I take that into

1764
01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:44,880
Speaker 3: consideration too.

1765
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:45,400
Speaker 1: I get it.

1766
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:47,720
Speaker 3: I give you a pass, you know, because you don't

1767
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:50,680
Speaker 3: really understand the judicial system and you don't know how

1768
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:53,080
Speaker 3: these things work, and it seems like it's all fun

1769
01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:55,320
Speaker 3: and games, right because you guys are on the outside.

1770
01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:58,519
Speaker 3: But I'm literally in federal custody and I'm dealing with

1771
01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:02,120
Speaker 3: a situation here. And I came because I came to

1772
01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:04,120
Speaker 3: you because I felt like I trusted you. So you

1773
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:06,000
Speaker 3: see how this is going now and you see where

1774
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:08,519
Speaker 3: where here it is. I'm in the middle and why

1775
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:11,559
Speaker 3: I feel the way I feel, and everybody has a story.

1776
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:14,400
Speaker 1: We're not got to the point of how did or

1777
01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:17,080
Speaker 1: why did? We haven't got to that part yet about

1778
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:20,920
Speaker 1: the misappropriation. It's still about the emotional and what's black

1779
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:25,479
Speaker 1: and white? So here at that point, I leave my

1780
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:28,919
Speaker 1: stuff there and then you know, Candy does her interview

1781
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:32,519
Speaker 1: with Andy Cohen, you know, speaking about our relationship and

1782
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:34,639
Speaker 1: how maybe it slipped out. I don't know, guess what,

1783
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:36,559
Speaker 1: but it's out there. Okay.

1784
01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:40,880
Speaker 3: Then next thing you know, people are filming my stuff

1785
01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:44,840
Speaker 3: at their house. Why would you think because I'm hot

1786
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:47,519
Speaker 3: at the time, the storyline's hot, me going to prison,

1787
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:50,920
Speaker 3: all that's hot, it's popping, it's everywhere. That was a

1788
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:53,679
Speaker 3: big moment for Bravo at the time on that show.

1789
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:58,599
Speaker 3: What would make you think that it's okay to do it?

1790
01:25:58,640 --> 01:25:59,479
Speaker 3: What's to do?

1791
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:04,400
Speaker 1: An episode? So about my stuff in your garage? What's

1792
01:26:04,439 --> 01:26:08,040
Speaker 1: the point? And you're watching this while you're in prison. Yeah,

1793
01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:13,120
Speaker 1: I'm watching this while I'm in prison, and you're just like, yes,

1794
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:17,800
Speaker 1: got it, Yes, all hell's about the break loose now? Yeah, yep,

1795
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:19,599
Speaker 1: all hell's about the break loose.

1796
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:27,120
Speaker 3: So so at that point there was already so this

1797
01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:34,000
Speaker 3: is the thing, no explanation, nothing. So Todd was telling

1798
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:36,800
Speaker 3: me and you mentioned about like altercation and all this stuff.

1799
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:42,840
Speaker 1: Right, So I did an interview and basically that was

1800
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:45,040
Speaker 1: taking out of context too. You know, it was COVID.

1801
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:47,040
Speaker 3: You know, everybody's at their house, drinking, having a good

1802
01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:49,599
Speaker 3: time whatever. You're just making the best of it. So

1803
01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:53,559
Speaker 3: me and Peter were doing an interview and it was

1804
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:57,280
Speaker 3: more so like, well, how's your relationship with Candy and Todd?

1805
01:26:57,760 --> 01:26:58,879
Speaker 1: Just go look at the interview.

1806
01:26:59,080 --> 01:27:00,720
Speaker 3: The first thing that I said, I always give them

1807
01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:04,040
Speaker 3: their problems, I said, I I appreciate them as people.

1808
01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:06,200
Speaker 1: I still say it to this day. You know, I

1809
01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:08,559
Speaker 1: commend them on all their accolades and their achievements. I'm

1810
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:09,240
Speaker 1: glad that you know.

1811
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:11,759
Speaker 3: I'm very happy for their success and everything. I'll continue

1812
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:15,280
Speaker 3: to say that. That never changes. Right, But I said,

1813
01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:17,799
Speaker 3: this is what I said. I said, Oh but okay,

1814
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:19,960
Speaker 3: Feds come on over and take Apollo stuff. It's right

1815
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:21,439
Speaker 3: here in my garage, y'all can have it. You know,

1816
01:27:21,479 --> 01:27:24,160
Speaker 3: I made that joke, right, And I said, you know,

1817
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:26,040
Speaker 3: and then it kind of stemmed off and I think

1818
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:28,559
Speaker 3: it was like what I said, Yeah, they fucking just

1819
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:34,920
Speaker 3: told the police where my stuff was at? Right, not

1820
01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:39,559
Speaker 3: not discrediting the fact that did Fader put the segue

1821
01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:43,080
Speaker 3: and put it all out there. Faser never came out

1822
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:45,519
Speaker 3: her mouth. This is what I could say. You could

1823
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:48,360
Speaker 3: say it was fake FasR Faser, Fager right did it.

1824
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:52,800
Speaker 3: Let's just say the stuff's at your house. Faser wasn't

1825
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:58,120
Speaker 3: filming with you. Faeder wasn't at your house filming with you. Okay,

1826
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:00,120
Speaker 3: that wasn't fag your's story.

1827
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:04,439
Speaker 1: But if you're saying that no one made you film

1828
01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:09,559
Speaker 1: that episode, let's just say she We don't know. You

1829
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:12,840
Speaker 1: can say all day long that part of this was

1830
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:15,400
Speaker 1: because you know, Fader put it out there and they

1831
01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:17,320
Speaker 1: were talking about it, and this that and the third

1832
01:28:17,800 --> 01:28:21,200
Speaker 1: talk is talk if you would have never filmed it,

1833
01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:23,760
Speaker 1: per se, we don't know what the outcome could have

1834
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:27,519
Speaker 1: been if you're verbalizing it on TV that my stuff

1835
01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:29,680
Speaker 1: is at your house or whatever. We just look at

1836
01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:32,439
Speaker 1: the timelines. But let's just say, let's just say that.

1837
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:36,680
Speaker 3: Fader and Candy were talking about it, and they were

1838
01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:39,360
Speaker 3: filming them just talking about having lunch or something.

1839
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:41,320
Speaker 1: Right, that's one thing.

1840
01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:45,640
Speaker 3: But the feds didn't come to their house based on

1841
01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:48,880
Speaker 3: a conversation. The feds came to the house based on

1842
01:28:50,160 --> 01:28:56,320
Speaker 3: actually evidence showing that these items were there. That's how

1843
01:28:56,360 --> 01:28:59,880
Speaker 3: they came to the house. You see, there's a difference.

1844
01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:03,800
Speaker 1: And then if you wouldn't have filmed that over here,

1845
01:29:05,240 --> 01:29:07,840
Speaker 1: the mere conversation that y'all had at dinner per se,

1846
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:11,599
Speaker 1: we don't know what would have happened, But both things happened.

1847
01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:16,400
Speaker 3: The conversation, well, the Andy Cohen situation, perhaps the conversation

1848
01:29:16,520 --> 01:29:20,000
Speaker 3: that they're saying happened with Candy and Fhaser.

1849
01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:22,400
Speaker 1: And then here it is the filming of the items.

1850
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:24,760
Speaker 1: So a lot of shit is in the mix here

1851
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:27,599
Speaker 1: that here it is. But I'm in prison being puppeted.

1852
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:31,080
Speaker 1: I'm the puppet, right, and someone just pulling my strings. Right,

1853
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:34,600
Speaker 1: So when I made that statement, it was more so

1854
01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:37,880
Speaker 1: like dude, like, have a little bit of respect for me, man,

1855
01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:41,360
Speaker 1: like talk to me about it. What happened? Because I

1856
01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:44,200
Speaker 1: need answers too. Was it you guys? I get it.

1857
01:29:44,280 --> 01:29:46,720
Speaker 3: Did you make a mistake you didn't understand the magnitude

1858
01:29:46,720 --> 01:29:47,400
Speaker 3: of what was going on?

1859
01:29:47,439 --> 01:29:50,240
Speaker 1: I get it. Cool or was it phasier.

1860
01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:52,839
Speaker 3: Well that's a whole other situation, because that's real slimy,

1861
01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:54,880
Speaker 3: that's real snakish, you know what I'm saying. So that's

1862
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:57,760
Speaker 3: a little that's something else I need to figure out. Now,

1863
01:29:57,840 --> 01:29:59,400
Speaker 3: Is this what's really going on?

1864
01:29:59,439 --> 01:29:59,640
Speaker 1: You know?

1865
01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:02,479
Speaker 3: So there's so many things and so many layers that

1866
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:05,720
Speaker 3: need to be peeled back that I never got answers to.

1867
01:30:06,040 --> 01:30:08,880
Speaker 3: So all I was seeking was closure, and people took

1868
01:30:08,920 --> 01:30:13,040
Speaker 3: me seeking closure as trying to slander somebody or put

1869
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:16,400
Speaker 3: someone under the bus, and that wasn't the case. And

1870
01:30:16,439 --> 01:30:20,120
Speaker 3: then so when we when I seemed todd out and

1871
01:30:20,160 --> 01:30:23,960
Speaker 3: the little situation happened, it was more so like dude,

1872
01:30:24,840 --> 01:30:25,680
Speaker 3: are you gonna.

1873
01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:25,880
Speaker 1: Talk to me?

1874
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:29,040
Speaker 2: So'll y'all out and you see each other? Do you

1875
01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:30,559
Speaker 2: go up to him first he comes up to you.

1876
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:32,639
Speaker 3: I go up to him, but not in any type

1877
01:30:32,680 --> 01:30:34,720
Speaker 3: of you know, I wasn't being aggressive or anything like that.

1878
01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:35,880
Speaker 1: I just went up to him and was.

1879
01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:38,840
Speaker 3: Like, first he had like his entourage there and I

1880
01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:41,639
Speaker 3: couldn't really get to Finally, man, I walk up to him.

1881
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:46,559
Speaker 3: He's at the bar, and I'm like, look, man, when

1882
01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:49,519
Speaker 3: are we gonna talk? When are we gonna sit down

1883
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:52,479
Speaker 3: like men and talk, and then it just kind of

1884
01:30:52,479 --> 01:30:54,479
Speaker 3: goes left field, and the next thing you know, he

1885
01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:57,400
Speaker 3: says something to Peter, and then you know, Peter says

1886
01:30:57,439 --> 01:30:59,759
Speaker 3: something to him, and then Peter has my back and saying,

1887
01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:01,880
Speaker 3: you know, he's a grown man. I'm gonna ride with him,

1888
01:31:02,280 --> 01:31:04,720
Speaker 3: a ride with Apollo. He's entitled to say whatever he

1889
01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:07,040
Speaker 3: wants to say. He feels a certain way, and however

1890
01:31:07,080 --> 01:31:08,599
Speaker 3: he feels, he's entitled to feel that way.

1891
01:31:08,680 --> 01:31:11,599
Speaker 1: Right, So it took. It was a while, man.

1892
01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:16,599
Speaker 3: Then I seen most recently. It was a couple months back,

1893
01:31:17,439 --> 01:31:19,040
Speaker 3: maybe right after.

1894
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:19,599
Speaker 1: The New Year.

1895
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:24,760
Speaker 3: Or no, sorry, maybe right before the New year, right

1896
01:31:24,840 --> 01:31:26,920
Speaker 3: after Christmas somewhere at that time. I see Todd at

1897
01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:31,280
Speaker 3: one of the establishments here in Atlanta, and I didn't

1898
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:33,519
Speaker 3: know he was there, so I was in one spot.

1899
01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:34,320
Speaker 1: He comes.

1900
01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:37,639
Speaker 3: I'm going through the restroom. He's running upstairs. How about

1901
01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:41,840
Speaker 3: him and Peter? Something was going on downstairs. But come

1902
01:31:41,840 --> 01:31:45,320
Speaker 3: to find out, they were trying to squash everything. Let

1903
01:31:45,320 --> 01:31:48,559
Speaker 3: bygones be bygones. They agreed to put it behind them.

1904
01:31:49,160 --> 01:31:53,720
Speaker 3: Todd sees me and he's like, look, man, come downstairs,

1905
01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:54,559
Speaker 3: let's all talk.

1906
01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:57,040
Speaker 1: By that time Peter was gone, well, he really wasn't

1907
01:31:57,040 --> 01:32:01,479
Speaker 1: gonna He went upstairs to the third floor. Todd said,

1908
01:32:01,800 --> 01:32:02,960
Speaker 1: they're getting ready to close.

1909
01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:06,320
Speaker 3: The owner was there. I was like, look, we're just

1910
01:32:06,360 --> 01:32:08,120
Speaker 3: gonna stay here and chill and talk for a minute.

1911
01:32:08,360 --> 01:32:09,120
Speaker 1: So we talked.

1912
01:32:10,280 --> 01:32:15,160
Speaker 3: Todd somewhat understood where I was coming from. He was

1913
01:32:15,200 --> 01:32:17,240
Speaker 3: saying that, you know, he felt like it was coming

1914
01:32:17,240 --> 01:32:20,479
Speaker 3: from a different direction. And then he was just saying

1915
01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:23,439
Speaker 3: that he was a little apologetic that he wished that

1916
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:26,920
Speaker 3: he would have had better devised a plan for when

1917
01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:28,800
Speaker 3: I came home. He wished that he would have been

1918
01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:31,600
Speaker 3: in a position to better assist me, not necessarily a

1919
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:34,559
Speaker 3: financial position, but at least, you know, put different things

1920
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:37,519
Speaker 3: in motion or what. And he just said that, you know,

1921
01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:40,200
Speaker 3: as a friend, he said, he genuinely was my friend,

1922
01:32:40,600 --> 01:32:41,840
Speaker 3: and you know, the friendship.

1923
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:44,360
Speaker 1: You know, it's sad that it happened the way it happened.

1924
01:32:45,479 --> 01:32:47,640
Speaker 3: And again I was just trying to convey to him,

1925
01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:49,559
Speaker 3: but we were drinking at the same time, and I said, listen,

1926
01:32:49,600 --> 01:32:51,680
Speaker 3: I don't have no problem with you. I had no

1927
01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:53,840
Speaker 3: problem with you. I never had a problem with you.

1928
01:32:54,000 --> 01:32:57,160
Speaker 3: I have a problem with the circumstances with how everything well.

1929
01:32:57,200 --> 01:32:58,840
Speaker 3: I did have a problem with you, but it was

1930
01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:01,600
Speaker 3: more so based on the circums sensus and how everything unfolded.

1931
01:33:02,120 --> 01:33:06,559
Speaker 3: Then I saw him again after that, we chilled party together,

1932
01:33:06,680 --> 01:33:07,439
Speaker 3: We spoke on the phone.

1933
01:33:07,479 --> 01:33:08,519
Speaker 1: We were supposed to get together.

1934
01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:11,479
Speaker 3: I think there was some premiere something happened and we

1935
01:33:11,479 --> 01:33:12,439
Speaker 3: were supposed to get together.

1936
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:15,240
Speaker 1: We didn't. I miss that. And then I saw him

1937
01:33:15,479 --> 01:33:18,559
Speaker 1: a couple weeks later and it was his daughter. They

1938
01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:19,080
Speaker 1: were all out.

1939
01:33:19,120 --> 01:33:21,920
Speaker 3: We were at the same spot and we partied ahead

1940
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:22,400
Speaker 3: of the time.

1941
01:33:22,439 --> 01:33:24,000
Speaker 1: So we guys are good. It were good. We were

1942
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:24,519
Speaker 1: don't sure.

1943
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:26,479
Speaker 3: We don't chill to talk, you know, regularly, like we

1944
01:33:26,640 --> 01:33:30,040
Speaker 3: probably should try to, but still there's no closure.

1945
01:33:30,280 --> 01:33:31,840
Speaker 1: I don't but at this point I'm just like, you know,

1946
01:33:31,880 --> 01:33:33,800
Speaker 1: what fuck it? You know? At this point, if that's

1947
01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:35,760
Speaker 1: how it's going to be, I don't really know. But

1948
01:33:36,439 --> 01:33:40,320
Speaker 1: the meat of it is, like I said, you.

1949
01:33:40,360 --> 01:33:43,799
Speaker 2: Just wanted to know what happened, man, and even giving

1950
01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:47,840
Speaker 2: a heads up. So you've been in the news lately.

1951
01:33:49,600 --> 01:33:54,519
Speaker 2: There's been some text messages released. Obviously you and Sharine

1952
01:33:54,520 --> 01:33:59,320
Speaker 2: are married. There were text messages revealed that you are

1953
01:33:59,439 --> 01:34:04,000
Speaker 2: alleged or we're allegedly cheating on your wife with another woman.

1954
01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:07,960
Speaker 2: Some text messages revealed some things of I love you,

1955
01:34:08,680 --> 01:34:11,880
Speaker 2: I'm on my way to see you. This woman's talking

1956
01:34:11,880 --> 01:34:16,160
Speaker 2: about the perfume and she's wearing. There's a ring camera

1957
01:34:16,320 --> 01:34:18,599
Speaker 2: apollo of you at this woman's house.

1958
01:34:21,240 --> 01:34:27,160
Speaker 1: Are you cheating on Charene? Are you? It looks bad?

1959
01:34:28,200 --> 01:34:30,120
Speaker 1: It looks really bad. Is that you in the video?

1960
01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:32,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's me in the video. It looks really bad. Well, first,

1961
01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:35,479
Speaker 3: I want to say, you know, I'm very apologetic. I'm

1962
01:34:35,600 --> 01:34:40,559
Speaker 3: very remorseful for what happened and the pain that I've caused,

1963
01:34:40,640 --> 01:34:42,840
Speaker 3: you know, my family, or the humility more so that

1964
01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:44,840
Speaker 3: I've caused my family and.

1965
01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:47,680
Speaker 1: That I call Charene. I know she's heartbroken, devastated by

1966
01:34:47,920 --> 01:34:53,479
Speaker 1: you know, what's happened. She's definitely scarred. I know that.

1967
01:34:53,840 --> 01:34:57,000
Speaker 3: But again it's like and just being candid. You know,

1968
01:34:57,400 --> 01:34:59,880
Speaker 3: every relationship goes through things, you know, people go through that.

1969
01:35:00,439 --> 01:35:07,439
Speaker 3: From an emotional standpoint, I just feel like there's no excuse.

1970
01:35:07,479 --> 01:35:08,760
Speaker 3: I'm not making an excuse.

1971
01:35:08,439 --> 01:35:10,639
Speaker 1: For what I did. What I did was wrong, allowing

1972
01:35:10,680 --> 01:35:15,080
Speaker 1: another woman that opportunity to I didn't cheat number one sex.

1973
01:35:15,160 --> 01:35:16,200
Speaker 1: I didn't have sex with the woman.

1974
01:35:16,240 --> 01:35:19,320
Speaker 3: No, because some people consider emotional ties cheating, you know,

1975
01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:21,479
Speaker 3: being emotional with someone. Some women have said, I prefer

1976
01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:23,400
Speaker 3: you to be to sleep with a woman, whether than

1977
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:26,000
Speaker 3: telling our love her, or you're emotionally invested, you know.

1978
01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:29,800
Speaker 3: So I get that. You know it was wrong, So

1979
01:35:30,320 --> 01:35:32,360
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to, you know, make light of any

1980
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:34,759
Speaker 3: of it. But no, I wasn't sleeping with the female.

1981
01:35:34,800 --> 01:35:38,680
Speaker 3: We never slept together. It was like this, I was

1982
01:35:38,680 --> 01:35:42,320
Speaker 3: going through a little situation on the home front. You know,

1983
01:35:42,439 --> 01:35:44,160
Speaker 3: maybe I could have did a better based on my

1984
01:35:44,240 --> 01:35:46,479
Speaker 3: experience and what's going on. I probably we both probably

1985
01:35:46,520 --> 01:35:49,400
Speaker 3: could have did a better job at or me per

1986
01:35:49,479 --> 01:35:53,439
Speaker 3: se do a better job at letting Sharen know, like, look,

1987
01:35:53,479 --> 01:35:55,120
Speaker 3: this is how I feel, this is what's going on.

1988
01:35:55,240 --> 01:35:57,320
Speaker 3: I think that right now where I'm at in my life,

1989
01:35:57,320 --> 01:35:59,920
Speaker 3: we might need to cultivate something here because you know,

1990
01:36:00,120 --> 01:36:02,920
Speaker 3: I'm feeling a different a certain way. So me and

1991
01:36:03,040 --> 01:36:06,720
Speaker 3: this individual we met probably like a year and a

1992
01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:09,120
Speaker 3: half ago, like met for the first time, but we

1993
01:36:09,120 --> 01:36:10,840
Speaker 3: didn't exchange information or nothing like that.

1994
01:36:10,920 --> 01:36:17,240
Speaker 1: It wasn't until maybe June of twenty three or July

1995
01:36:17,320 --> 01:36:21,920
Speaker 1: of twenty three that we met again. Exchanged phone numbers

1996
01:36:21,960 --> 01:36:24,920
Speaker 1: at time, and we've been talking ever since. Right. So,

1997
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:28,920
Speaker 1: there was a situation at a rose where Serene saw

1998
01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:31,880
Speaker 1: the messages in my phone, not those messages, but like messages.

1999
01:36:32,240 --> 01:36:34,519
Speaker 1: She was mad. It's like, oh, you're dealing with this female.

2000
01:36:34,520 --> 01:36:36,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I'm not really dealing with her like that.

2001
01:36:36,840 --> 01:36:41,639
Speaker 1: You know. Cool, We try to cut it off again.

2002
01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:44,439
Speaker 3: That was kind of easier said than done. Kept talking,

2003
01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:47,320
Speaker 3: kept doing flirting thing, kept talking. It was like, listen,

2004
01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:50,320
Speaker 3: she knows I'm married. She's dealing with her. Situation was

2005
01:36:50,360 --> 01:36:53,880
Speaker 3: like okay, but we just kept talking, really confiding each other.

2006
01:36:53,960 --> 01:36:55,640
Speaker 1: We got really close, you know.

2007
01:36:55,720 --> 01:36:57,679
Speaker 3: Then it came to like you might tell your friends

2008
01:36:57,720 --> 01:36:59,439
Speaker 3: you love them, or you tell your friends you miss them.

2009
01:36:59,439 --> 01:37:02,080
Speaker 3: There was things those messages that are not true, like

2010
01:37:02,160 --> 01:37:04,880
Speaker 3: the perfume. I never bought her any perfume for no Christmas.

2011
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:08,320
Speaker 3: I didn't do that. When I said something about the baby,

2012
01:37:08,680 --> 01:37:10,599
Speaker 3: the baby, if you look at the under the text message,

2013
01:37:10,680 --> 01:37:13,080
Speaker 3: she says Happy New Year, Happy New Year, always going

2014
01:37:13,160 --> 01:37:15,439
Speaker 3: to Then she said it's gonna be a great twenty four.

2015
01:37:15,479 --> 01:37:17,000
Speaker 3: I said, yeah, it's gonna be great. You're gonna have

2016
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:20,000
Speaker 3: a baby, lol. And I said, I can see your

2017
01:37:20,040 --> 01:37:22,479
Speaker 3: face right now, I'm dying laughing because she doesn't want

2018
01:37:22,520 --> 01:37:25,320
Speaker 3: any more kids and talks about how sometimes you know

2019
01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:26,960
Speaker 3: you want to wait till you have children and have

2020
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:29,439
Speaker 3: everything in place. Blah blah blah. I was just a joke,

2021
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:31,760
Speaker 3: but it says that. It says, lol, I can see

2022
01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:33,640
Speaker 3: your face right now, I'm dying laughing. This is me

2023
01:37:33,800 --> 01:37:37,640
Speaker 3: saying that or whatever, again, not making light of it.

2024
01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:39,640
Speaker 1: How did it get leaked? And the first get to

2025
01:37:39,640 --> 01:37:43,160
Speaker 1: that point, I'm sorry, yeah, so yeah, so.

2026
01:37:46,560 --> 01:37:50,320
Speaker 3: Again, you know, confiding in one another, and so it

2027
01:37:50,360 --> 01:37:52,920
Speaker 3: got to the point where was like, hey, you want

2028
01:37:52,920 --> 01:37:56,280
Speaker 3: to come over? So yeah, sure, I came over. When

2029
01:37:56,320 --> 01:37:58,679
Speaker 3: I came over, If you look in the video, there's

2030
01:37:58,680 --> 01:38:01,080
Speaker 3: no hugs or kisses in the video. Yo, it's me

2031
01:38:01,160 --> 01:38:02,880
Speaker 3: moving her out the way I sit on the thing. Now,

2032
01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:05,160
Speaker 3: that's an appropriate You shouldn't bet another woman's house married.

2033
01:38:05,240 --> 01:38:07,479
Speaker 3: I have my feet up on the on the coffee table,

2034
01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:09,360
Speaker 3: the sofa as if I'm comfortable.

2035
01:38:09,439 --> 01:38:11,679
Speaker 1: She puts her head in my lap. Not cool.

2036
01:38:12,640 --> 01:38:14,439
Speaker 3: Let's just say outside of that, Let's just say if

2037
01:38:14,439 --> 01:38:17,439
Speaker 3: we were friends and there was no text messages, are

2038
01:38:17,479 --> 01:38:21,879
Speaker 3: friends not allowed to interact? Like that, not making excuses,

2039
01:38:21,880 --> 01:38:22,840
Speaker 3: but I'm just saying.

2040
01:38:22,760 --> 01:38:24,639
Speaker 2: I know, but it sounds like you love a comfy

2041
01:38:24,680 --> 01:38:35,080
Speaker 2: couch from yes. No, but it's uh, it's definitely was inappropriate.

2042
01:38:35,560 --> 01:38:38,120
Speaker 2: So so now I feel like I got.

2043
01:38:37,960 --> 01:38:41,320
Speaker 1: Caught up in a crossfire because she gets back with

2044
01:38:42,200 --> 01:38:44,439
Speaker 1: her guy. She's deal now, mind you.

2045
01:38:44,479 --> 01:38:47,559
Speaker 3: We decided at the last text message that you see,

2046
01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:51,120
Speaker 3: we decided to cut it off and say, listen, let's

2047
01:38:51,120 --> 01:38:54,800
Speaker 3: just quit. Okay, you got your situation going on. I

2048
01:38:54,840 --> 01:38:57,400
Speaker 3: need to work on my situation. We blocked each other.

2049
01:38:57,479 --> 01:38:59,120
Speaker 3: She blocked me, I blocked her. There's no way we

2050
01:38:59,160 --> 01:39:00,000
Speaker 3: can contact each other.

2051
01:39:00,120 --> 01:39:03,600
Speaker 1: That was the plan. It's like a little bit in January.

2052
01:39:05,400 --> 01:39:11,280
Speaker 3: So, come to find out, her guy suspects her dealing

2053
01:39:11,320 --> 01:39:15,880
Speaker 3: with someone else. He takes her phone. He knows her code. Listen,

2054
01:39:15,920 --> 01:39:19,559
Speaker 3: he takes her phone. This is another person taking the phone, right,

2055
01:39:19,600 --> 01:39:22,559
Speaker 3: he takes her phone. It sounds weird, But when he

2056
01:39:22,640 --> 01:39:26,760
Speaker 3: takes her phone, he's gone for twenty four hours, and

2057
01:39:27,479 --> 01:39:29,639
Speaker 3: he goes through the phone and sees the messages between

2058
01:39:29,680 --> 01:39:31,600
Speaker 3: her and I. He confronts her about dealing with a

2059
01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:34,240
Speaker 3: married man, and she says, no, I'm not dealing with him.

2060
01:39:34,240 --> 01:39:35,000
Speaker 1: We're just friends.

2061
01:39:35,200 --> 01:39:37,640
Speaker 3: So when I said, like, I'm coming over, I'm at

2062
01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:39,880
Speaker 3: the door or something, he takes those dates and cuts

2063
01:39:39,920 --> 01:39:41,880
Speaker 3: in the ring camera and goes through her ring camera

2064
01:39:41,880 --> 01:39:46,080
Speaker 3: because he has her phone. And then he recorded all

2065
01:39:46,080 --> 01:39:48,720
Speaker 3: that stuff and he found a media outlet and he

2066
01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:51,200
Speaker 3: leaked it to the media. That's how it got out there.

2067
01:39:51,280 --> 01:39:53,559
Speaker 3: It wasn't her, she didn't leak it. And how I

2068
01:39:53,600 --> 01:39:56,960
Speaker 3: found this out. You know how you have so if

2069
01:39:57,000 --> 01:39:59,640
Speaker 3: you have another media outlet that wants to run a

2070
01:39:59,640 --> 01:40:01,920
Speaker 3: story and so forth. Just being in this business, some

2071
01:40:01,960 --> 01:40:05,120
Speaker 3: of these people are kind of respectful. They might your

2072
01:40:05,160 --> 01:40:07,200
Speaker 3: heads up. So I got a heads up by one

2073
01:40:07,240 --> 01:40:09,519
Speaker 3: of them, and I was just like, well, well, we're

2074
01:40:09,520 --> 01:40:12,000
Speaker 3: going to see if this is uh, what's the validity

2075
01:40:12,040 --> 01:40:12,680
Speaker 3: behind all this?

2076
01:40:12,920 --> 01:40:16,400
Speaker 1: Will come to find out when the guy leaked the thing.

2077
01:40:17,160 --> 01:40:19,800
Speaker 3: They actually did a small interview with the guy based

2078
01:40:19,800 --> 01:40:20,400
Speaker 3: on like, well, how.

2079
01:40:20,320 --> 01:40:21,880
Speaker 1: Did you get this? You know, where did this come from?

2080
01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:25,360
Speaker 1: Did an interview? Well, not necessarily interview, I guess they

2081
01:40:25,520 --> 01:40:29,040
Speaker 1: they took notes as to how, oh like you said

2082
01:40:29,040 --> 01:40:30,439
Speaker 1: to to to see the validity.

2083
01:40:31,880 --> 01:40:35,160
Speaker 3: So he basically yeah, he basically said you know that.

2084
01:40:36,600 --> 01:40:39,120
Speaker 3: You know, he took her phone guys do this now. Man,

2085
01:40:39,120 --> 01:40:43,880
Speaker 3: it's some real girly stuff man that these men do. Man,

2086
01:40:44,040 --> 01:40:45,639
Speaker 3: it's wild. That's wild.

2087
01:40:46,360 --> 01:40:50,080
Speaker 1: That's wild. And how it's smaing today? She's not well?

2088
01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:55,280
Speaker 1: Are you two still together? You? We're still together, living together.

2089
01:40:55,160 --> 01:40:57,160
Speaker 3: We still live together. It's a little it's rough, not

2090
01:40:57,200 --> 01:40:59,679
Speaker 3: a little rough, it's rough. Yeah, it's rough.

2091
01:41:00,120 --> 01:41:04,120
Speaker 2: But how do you feel when people say, whatever, Scharene,

2092
01:41:06,040 --> 01:41:08,760
Speaker 2: you you, that's how you got them, that's what you're

2093
01:41:08,760 --> 01:41:09,439
Speaker 2: gonna lose them.

2094
01:41:09,439 --> 01:41:10,200
Speaker 1: But that's not true.

2095
01:41:10,439 --> 01:41:14,400
Speaker 3: A lot of people feel like, you know, yeah, you know,

2096
01:41:15,720 --> 01:41:17,000
Speaker 3: because people don't know the story.

2097
01:41:17,000 --> 01:41:18,240
Speaker 1: They think that just okay.

2098
01:41:18,320 --> 01:41:22,280
Speaker 3: So if, for example, if you're married on paper and

2099
01:41:22,360 --> 01:41:23,880
Speaker 3: you're gonna get a divorce.

2100
01:41:23,760 --> 01:41:25,800
Speaker 1: You could be with a situation like let's just take

2101
01:41:26,400 --> 01:41:29,080
Speaker 1: you know, Charene's system.

2102
01:41:29,320 --> 01:41:34,000
Speaker 5: Matter of fact, Sharen was married, right, she didn't finalize

2103
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:38,639
Speaker 5: her divorce until maybe twenty sixteen, twenty fifteen. Shit happens, right,

2104
01:41:39,200 --> 01:41:41,080
Speaker 5: some people just don't want to sign, or some people

2105
01:41:41,160 --> 01:41:45,479
Speaker 5: are indecisive or whatever. Right, but it wasn't finalized until later.

2106
01:41:47,400 --> 01:41:51,160
Speaker 3: You you don't realize, well, people don't realize that, you know,

2107
01:41:51,280 --> 01:41:53,920
Speaker 3: Phager and I continue to stay together, right, but no

2108
01:41:53,960 --> 01:41:57,799
Speaker 3: one broke up a happy home. The home wasn't happy, right, Okay,

2109
01:41:57,880 --> 01:42:00,760
Speaker 3: it was already on that on the outs. And if

2110
01:42:00,760 --> 01:42:02,719
Speaker 3: you get to that point where there's like an impasse

2111
01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:06,040
Speaker 3: and you just decided to go your separate way, it's

2112
01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:09,400
Speaker 3: your business. But see, you always got the outside speculation.

2113
01:42:09,600 --> 01:42:11,599
Speaker 3: Everyone's always going to speculate and come up with their

2114
01:42:11,600 --> 01:42:14,800
Speaker 3: own narrative. And what that's for. That's not healthy. What

2115
01:42:14,840 --> 01:42:17,080
Speaker 3: they're coming up with a narrative is to create again

2116
01:42:17,280 --> 01:42:21,160
Speaker 3: a storyline, to continue to create drama and to impose

2117
01:42:21,800 --> 01:42:26,200
Speaker 3: inflict more turmoil on an individual. Because these women read

2118
01:42:26,240 --> 01:42:29,080
Speaker 3: that stuff, you know, because she mentioned it before, because

2119
01:42:29,080 --> 01:42:30,559
Speaker 3: I know she reads it. You know it's not healthy.

2120
01:42:30,560 --> 01:42:32,639
Speaker 3: I don't get into that. I don't like doing that.

2121
01:42:32,800 --> 01:42:34,400
Speaker 3: And as you get into this business, the deeper you

2122
01:42:34,439 --> 01:42:38,679
Speaker 3: get into the business, you realize that that's not cultivating health,

2123
01:42:39,520 --> 01:42:41,120
Speaker 3: a healthy environment for yourself.

2124
01:42:41,640 --> 01:42:42,479
Speaker 1: That's not giving you that.

2125
01:42:42,960 --> 01:42:44,880
Speaker 3: So I just stay out of that realm of Okay,

2126
01:42:44,880 --> 01:42:46,720
Speaker 3: get the stories, ran, I see it.

2127
01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:48,040
Speaker 1: I was there, I lived it.

2128
01:42:48,600 --> 01:42:54,240
Speaker 3: Cool clearly, sharene should know that based on our relationship

2129
01:42:55,360 --> 01:42:57,840
Speaker 3: from the beginning, you know where I was at in

2130
01:42:57,840 --> 01:43:01,320
Speaker 3: my headspace. Now, women are very emotional and they say

2131
01:43:01,360 --> 01:43:03,000
Speaker 3: the down damn this things.

2132
01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:03,120
Speaker 1: Man.

2133
01:43:03,160 --> 01:43:04,920
Speaker 3: I don't know where they I don't know where who

2134
01:43:04,920 --> 01:43:08,679
Speaker 3: teaches them these things that they say, But MANI shit cuts.

2135
01:43:09,160 --> 01:43:11,439
Speaker 3: And when you look at the pattern, it's like like

2136
01:43:11,479 --> 01:43:13,400
Speaker 3: you mentioned okay at a couch thing, right, even though

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Speaker 3: we're joking about it, But yeah, there's some similarities there,

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Speaker 3: but it's not I'm not saying like, oh, I'm not

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Speaker 3: seeking to go run to this woman. I'm not gonna

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Speaker 3: let's say, God forbid, if if Sharena and not get

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Speaker 3: a divorce, God forbid, I'm not.

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Speaker 1: Gonna go be with that woman. Me and this woman.

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Speaker 3: When I tell you we stopped talking and we were like,

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Speaker 3: we stop talking. There's no thing. There's we're not we

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Speaker 3: don't have a thing, you know. And but Sharena in

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Speaker 3: her mind she feels like it's a thing. And all

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Speaker 3: the time it's going to revert back to you did

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Speaker 3: this to me, you did that to me, you know,

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Speaker 3: And I'm wrong for that, but it is what it is.

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Speaker 1: It happened, and like what do you do?

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Speaker 3: You either move forward or it's really simple, you can't

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Speaker 3: continue to we can't continue to degrade one another, right,

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01:43:58,360 --> 01:44:01,920
Speaker 3: demoralize each other, you know, verbally, verbal abuse abuse.

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Speaker 1: You're going to do two things on the table, there's

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Speaker 1: a line in the middle. You've got divorce.

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Speaker 3: Papers or we're going to get our act together. It's

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Speaker 3: very simple. You don't want to how you're going to

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Speaker 3: work on getting your act together. But then you keep

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Speaker 3: throwing all these things out here that are, you know, demeaning.

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Speaker 3: No one wants to be demean nobody wants to be emasculated,

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Speaker 3: none of that stuff. You know, during these times, you

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01:44:21,840 --> 01:44:24,160
Speaker 3: need support or you need to figure out, like how

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01:44:24,240 --> 01:44:28,640
Speaker 3: to make better. You know, the speculation is terrible. And

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Speaker 3: you know that's not my first time having little little

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Speaker 3: situations happen, So that's what makes it even bad. I

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Speaker 3: mean that's the first time it's been publicized. But you

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Speaker 3: know I've had little little snippets, little things that's happened

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Speaker 3: in my relationship with Sharen.

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Speaker 1: That's not not the.

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Speaker 2: Best, right, which is why now because it's so public,

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Speaker 2: she's yealing with it differently on a different level. Well, look,

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you, Apollo. You know you are a very

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Speaker 2: private person. Now your business in development and real estate

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Speaker 2: is booming. You're really doing doing well you and listen.

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Speaker 2: For me, it goes to show you that, listen, you

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Speaker 2: are a man who has owned up to his mistakes,

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Speaker 2: but it doesn't define.

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Speaker 1: You as a person. And the beauty of you is.

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Speaker 2: You're able to walk away from a situation, serve your time,

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Speaker 2: and not make that the end of your story.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So kudos to you for

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Speaker 1: that and for showing.

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Speaker 2: People that that doesn't mean you have to stay in

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Speaker 2: that position, because you know, there's a lot of people

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Speaker 2: who come home they it's hard to be embraced by

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Speaker 2: the workforce and society. And obviously you have a lot

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Speaker 2: of people supporting you, me being one of them who

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Speaker 2: really wants to see you do well.

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Speaker 1: And you are doing well.

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Speaker 2: I mean you have a little bit how of sneakers,

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Speaker 2: my brother, I want to call it my role Lex,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna call out the.

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Speaker 1: Sneakers, you know.

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Speaker 2: So you're doing very well for yourself. And look, we

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Speaker 2: love you, you know, we want to see you back

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Speaker 2: on TV. It was great seeing you the Mariative Medicine reunion.

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Speaker 2: We want to see more of you.

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Speaker 1: I was shining. You were great.

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Speaker 2: You all the girls were starstruck, like, yeah, this is

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01:46:06,240 --> 01:46:09,320
Speaker 2: the Man, the myth, the legend Apollo like the Mary

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Speaker 2: Woman was like, ah, pollow, So we want to see

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Speaker 2: you back on TV. My last question, would you ever

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Speaker 2: do reality TV again?

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Speaker 1: Most definitely I would do TV in all aspects.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I've had an opportunity to understand the business,

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Speaker 3: examine the business, the dudes and don'ts, the ups and downs,

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01:46:26,640 --> 01:46:29,280
Speaker 3: what it comes with, what it entails, you know. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's a great platform. It's a great opportunity, and I

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Speaker 3: think people should do it. I think they should educate

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Speaker 3: themselves and take the educated route with it, and then.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna have a better experience. It's almost like, to

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Speaker 1: be honest, like maybe a year before I went to prison,

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Speaker 1: I really because at first I was like, it's like

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Speaker 1: a wave, Like if you're in the ocean, there's no

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01:46:49,439 --> 01:46:51,879
Speaker 1: way you're gonna be able to beat that thing. Okay,

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01:46:52,080 --> 01:46:53,280
Speaker 1: it's either you need to ride with it.

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01:46:53,360 --> 01:46:55,479
Speaker 3: Just get on your little board and go out there

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01:46:55,520 --> 01:46:56,960
Speaker 3: and wait for the wave to come and just push

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01:46:57,000 --> 01:46:59,799
Speaker 3: you on it. So I started doing that, taking that approach,

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Speaker 3: and men, I really enjoyed it. Like the last couple

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Speaker 3: of years I was on TV, I really had a

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Speaker 3: great time like I wasn't really it was great.

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Speaker 1: You get did you go after food? Go eat? If

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01:47:10,200 --> 01:47:11,680
Speaker 1: you get you get your hair done, you know, get

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01:47:11,720 --> 01:47:14,240
Speaker 1: your go, get your hair cut, you know, put your

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01:47:14,320 --> 01:47:16,519
Speaker 1: nice clothes on, put your put your trip for me,

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01:47:16,600 --> 01:47:18,679
Speaker 1: go act the idiot and go and go get paid.

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Speaker 1: I had a great time.

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Speaker 2: Well good, well, well, well do more of it? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: do more of it. We miss you on TV. And

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Speaker 2: thanks for brother, Thank you, thank you, appreciate you.

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