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Speaker 2: Rico case has taken, by most accounts, an unusual twist

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Speaker 3: I didn't know what the case was going to be

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Speaker 3: we had to have had about five hundred people. I know,

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Speaker 1: Had no idea what why Cell was? Right. My mom

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Speaker 1: was oblivious. I mean, you know, I've traveled on the

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Speaker 3: And when it wasn't until we stepped out for lunch

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Speaker 3: this like just like the table I'm literally sitting in

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Speaker 2: There were like great dog security in that, like some

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Speaker 1: How did that effect you got?

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Speaker 3: It was like Fort Knocks. We Juriorsy parked in an

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Speaker 3: undisposed location. We were breathed on our security making sure

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Speaker 4: Sit and if you ain't talking, no dough, then I

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Speaker 4: ain't interrested. Look, they say, this guy's the limit. I'm

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Speaker 4: going farther than that. She get blowing on my phone,

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Speaker 4: so I called her mama, come and get your daughter back.

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Speaker 4: They wanted lit up better than get them boys wag

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Speaker 4: or what little one? And I boys your brain, but

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Speaker 4: get a hard hat, they said, the skuy's limb. I'm

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Speaker 4: going father, you can try to but can't. Kim Ummi

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Speaker 4: bater I just bought a nigga life as in did decide?

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Speaker 4: Come with that?

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Speaker 1: All you lads of the reason you broke.

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Speaker 4: You don't know how the horse. I don't trying it

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Speaker 4: ain't no, i'ma stress some red run red dye. He

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Speaker 4: you block one twelve, Come down. You know I'm talking

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Speaker 4: to the bullets, asking for a bullet because he never

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Speaker 4: felt one, sticking to the waters and nail guns, riding

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Speaker 1: You and he got your yo.

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Speaker 4: Yo.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to us up there podcast. I I am your

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Speaker 2: host for another episode. Of the fastest growing show in

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Speaker 2: the world. I want to thank each and every one

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Speaker 2: of you guys for clicking on this video today. We're

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Speaker 2: gonna have a monumental conversation. What's your name anyway, Jason?

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Speaker 1: Jason. We're gonna have a monumental conversation.

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Speaker 2: What jury fifty six? We're gonna have a conversation with

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Speaker 2: Jiro fifty six? My god, Jason, how are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing great? How are you doing today? I'm doing

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Speaker 1: pretty good, man. It's good to good to hear from

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Speaker 1: your move That might.

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Speaker 2: Get in closer if you don't mind. Yeah, that's good here,

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Speaker 2: all right, perfect, I got you people, hear you good.

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Speaker 1: Number one.

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Speaker 2: I want to thank you for sitting down with me today,

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Speaker 2: joining me. I really appreciate your willingness to share your experience,

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Speaker 2: you know, with the Ysell trial. Of course, millions of

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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for stopping by. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for having me today.

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Speaker 2: Though, tell me a little bit about yourself prior to

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Speaker 3: My whole life, but like just just in general. Uh

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Speaker 1: That's dope. That's interesting.

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Speaker 3: My job was to keep people in office, and so

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Speaker 3: And other than that though, just you know, I grew

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Speaker 2: The political background is interesting. Fundraiser especially. It's interesting to

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Speaker 2: Is it as corrupt as people make it?

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Speaker 3: But oh, in all, I think that you politicians, you

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Speaker 2: That's what I think, That's why I think the corruption

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Speaker 3: You're paying staff, you're paying But also money is going

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Speaker 2: What You'll be interested when you look into these things,

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Speaker 3: Will answer I pretty much worked with them firsthand, So

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Speaker 1: Right, right.

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Speaker 3: All these years I lived in various parts of the

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Speaker 2: Right, right, So did you know he was young thug

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Speaker 3: You know, from my understanding, the juriors talked about this

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Speaker 2: We're any about young thug, not specifically. I think what

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Speaker 2: Like I know, with some monster like that, are they

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Speaker 1: Does that affect your the way you view young thug.

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Speaker 2: Though, no, because I believe that some of this stuff right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, they wouldn't do that for a regular trial.

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Speaker 1: But.

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Speaker 2: Sneaking us in and like unmarking us to the building,

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Speaker 2: And we couldn't talk to the jurors, of course, I

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Speaker 3: other fears. But as time but on, I won't say

440
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,560
Speaker 3: it got relaxed, but you got a chance to see

441
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:35,040
Speaker 3: people's personalities and so. But of course at first people

442
00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,320
Speaker 3: might have been on the edge, and so you know

443
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:41,399
Speaker 3: that's just come part of people's psyche about how they

444
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:42,200
Speaker 3: were thinking.

445
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,399
Speaker 2: Right, And that's I mean, they had a way they

446
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,680
Speaker 2: were looking at this trial before they even got it

447
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,399
Speaker 2: off the ground. I mean, like like Doug was saying,

448
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,480
Speaker 2: with the big officers in there, like maybe two months

449
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,359
Speaker 2: in they figured out, Yo, we can we can get

450
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 2: out of here.

451
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:57,159
Speaker 1: Correct.

452
00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,160
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, No one's coming to break

453
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,720
Speaker 2: young thug out. Correct, Like there's not going to be

454
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 2: sealed Team six that's going to try to This is

455
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:10,760
Speaker 2: very exaggerated, correct, Right, These people are doing a job

456
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 2: that is worth making sure that security is in place, right,

457
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,880
Speaker 2: But it seems a bit extreme.

458
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 1: It was, it was extreme.

459
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 3: And then looking at it from a different perspective, I

460
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 3: you know, I get it that you want to keep

461
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 3: people safe, but at the same time, and look at

462
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,719
Speaker 3: I'm just curious. I'm curious about how much money was

463
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 3: spent on this case in general, how much of the

464
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 3: tax dollars we're going towards this one particular trial, Right,

465
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,639
Speaker 3: And you know, I respect law enforcement, but at the

466
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:43,920
Speaker 3: same time were was it needed to that extreme exactly?

467
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 2: And and we we we respect law enforcement, right, but

468
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 2: we will we want to have a real conversation. And

469
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 2: you coming from the political world, you know that sometimes

470
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,359
Speaker 2: we have to have uncomfortable conversations about where the money's allocated,

471
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,359
Speaker 2: where it's going, and how you guys are handling the

472
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,200
Speaker 2: things we should be benefiting from. Right, because these kind

473
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 2: of cases should be laid out in a way that

474
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 2: makes sense and justifies the money being spent. Right when

475
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 2: you get into the trail and say, we're still being

476
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 2: shuttled in here nine months in and this case doesn't

477
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 2: really even look like it should look when we're looking

478
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,439
Speaker 2: at this alleged criminal. Correct, when we come from the

479
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,880
Speaker 2: first day, right, because we're gonna be just all over

480
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 2: yeah different.

481
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

482
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:32,119
Speaker 2: So the first day when you hear opening statements, do

483
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 2: you have any preconceived notions prior to those opening statements?

484
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 2: Did anyone sway you withou opening statements? Did you have

485
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 2: anything to look forward to? What was your feeling when

486
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 2: it came to first day opening statements?

487
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,959
Speaker 3: My feelings were, like I tell people, I'm a fact person.

488
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 1: I love facts.

489
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 3: Your emotions and it's probably the aquarium side of being Yeah,

490
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 3: parting in January, your emotions kind of go out the door.

491
00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,439
Speaker 3: So give me the facts, let me know, let me

492
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 3: draw my own conclusion, or let me follow this story

493
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 3: as you're telling it to me. And so I didn't

494
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 3: have a pre notion. And I mentioned once before my

495
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 3: in my series, I said, you know, I fly for

496
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 3: a living, and so when I'm traveling around the world,

497
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 3: I can't judge a person when they're coming on an

498
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 3: aircraft because I don't know who they are. And so

499
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,719
Speaker 3: that is how I treated when I the opening statements,

500
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 3: I sat there, the State presented its case and they

501
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,679
Speaker 3: were sharing this is what was happening, and this is

502
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 3: what we should look for. And then the defense team

503
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,959
Speaker 3: came up as well. So I was all years because

504
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 3: now you're forced to take my time. I have to

505
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 3: sit in this room for an X amount of time.

506
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 3: And so I always kept an open mind, especially during

507
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 3: the opening statements, and so nothing got lost in translation.

508
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 3: It was just the fact of this is you are

509
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,360
Speaker 3: bringing down a huge a lot of information and you're

510
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 3: giving us this is what we should look for. And

511
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 3: I always maintained that integrity of a wanting to make

512
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 3: sure that I am fair. I want to make sure

513
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 3: that I'm attentive, and I want to make sure that

514
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 3: whatever you're presenting to me that I am going to

515
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 3: follow what you tell me and then let me form

516
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 3: my own personal opinion after that.

517
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 2: So that's how I looked at it, right, What were

518
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 2: some of the things they were asking you to look for?

519
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 1: Well, they lay out a blueprint.

520
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 3: I mean, the defense was mostly saying that a lot

521
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 3: of inconsistencies, and that is something that I can agree with.

522
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 3: There's a lot of inconsistencies without having enough evidence. And

523
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 3: it's like I said, this trial was just so long.

524
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 1: It was just you're plowing a lot of information to retain. Yes.

525
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 3: The state, however, which I mentioned else before, is that

526
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,479
Speaker 3: they're pretty much was going after the big fish. And

527
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 3: that's something that we heard a few times from different

528
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 3: folks in the courtroom. You know, you have Jeffrey Williams

529
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 3: at the very top, and he's the big fish, and.

530
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 1: So that is what you know, he was like the

531
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: leader of the pack.

532
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 3: And I think that's how they said it, and that's

533
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 3: what the state had brought up and Sentder saying that

534
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 3: you know, you have a wolf packing and Jeffrey is

535
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 3: king scheme pretty much though, yes, and then I looked

536
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 3: at it, and then everybody else was like kind of like

537
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 3: the minions, and so whatever he said, this is what

538
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 3: they did, and that's how they had painted him as

539
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 3: I'm usually the first thing person, first thing based person.

540
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 3: I mean, I would call him young thug, but I'm

541
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 3: actually a first name for people. You know, I'm just

542
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 3: too personal. I'm always personal. I hope to offend if

543
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 3: I'm calling him by Jeffrey.

544
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 2: Now you you you you are one of the ones

545
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 2: that were fairly looking at his life. I don't think,

546
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 2: you know, I don't think he could possibly have a

547
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 2: problem being called his government.

548
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: It's his real name.

549
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 3: It's a real name. I mean, I mean, it's like

550
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 3: sometimes referred him young thugs. But I you know, I

551
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 3: respect him for who he is and his art. I

552
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 3: don't know him personally. I never you know, until I

553
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 3: saw him in court. But one of the other things

554
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:06,959
Speaker 3: that I respected about him was when you listen to

555
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 3: some of the witnesses that came up, and people consistently

556
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 3: refer to him mister Williams, mister Williams, mister Williams, and

557
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 3: that stuck out to me really clear, because I was saying, Okay, then,

558
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 3: so the witnesses who coming out there, who've been subpoena

559
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 3: about the state, they respect who he is. Yes, they

560
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 3: didn't call him Jeffrey. They didn't call him jeff They

561
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 3: call him sometimes young Thubber, mostly mister Williams. And that

562
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 3: right there helped paint a picture, right, because you can

563
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 3: and not seeing that I didn't have my you know,

564
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 3: I didn't have any conclusion about him at all. It

565
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 3: was just the fact of certain certain small details play.

566
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: Over exactly because that's what you're looking for.

567
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 2: You're looking for, Okay, they're asking me to kind of

568
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 2: judge this scenario. So I'm looking for some indicators, correct, right,

569
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,959
Speaker 2: especially outside of what both of these people who are

570
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 2: presenting the cases saying, what are some other things that

571
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 2: can speak to me?

572
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: Correct?

573
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 2: They can make me see maybe personality. Am I dealing

574
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 2: with a ruthless king slime? Or am I dealing with

575
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,959
Speaker 2: a guy who was a rapper that got caught up

576
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 2: from a neighborhood that helped some people and now is

577
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 2: in the unfortunate circumstance. Now looking over the case, your

578
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 2: experience in this trial, how do you if you had

579
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 2: to give a grade to the state on how they

580
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 2: presented the case, what would you give them?

581
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 3: My grade I give the state, I'll most likely probably

582
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 3: give it a C. And the reason why I'll say this,

583
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 3: though I don't necessarily think that just attorney Love should

584
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 3: have taken charge on this particular case, I believe that

585
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 3: it should have been Simon and I even you know,

586
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 3: even at the very end, when the attorneys came to

587
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 3: the back of the room on both sides after the

588
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 3: verdick was read, and I told them directly in front

589
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 3: of everybody, I said, you should have taken the lead

590
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 3: on this case, only because I think that her presentation

591
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 3: style was a lot better. It was almost like like

592
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 3: a professor, and not saying that it would have swayed

593
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 3: the verdict any other way. It was the fact of

594
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 3: sometimes folks can be too close to something that they

595
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 3: can that they want something out of it, but they

596
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 3: mess it up themselves.

597
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 2: So do you think mislove Attorney da Love came off as.

598
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 3: I want the Yes, I believe that's what As time

599
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 3: went on, that is what I started to see.

600
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: Now, when did that switch?

601
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 2: Because see, this is what I'm interested in, right, I

602
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 2: want to get into the peaks and valleys, because I

603
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 2: would imagine over this long process of trial, there's sometimes

604
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 2: where you leaning towards thug's side and then sometimes.

605
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: WHOA, well, now where the states making a little sense here?

606
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. It's like these back and forth.

607
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 2: What was the spot where let's talk about love. Then

608
00:29:58,360 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 2: we'll get to some of the other spots. But what

609
00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 2: was there's a spot where you said, Okay, this is

610
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 2: starting to seem like she's personally involved and emotionally involved

611
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 2: in this.

612
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 3: There's two situations. It was a young lady who was

613
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 3: a mother. I can't remember her name at the top

614
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 3: of my head, but they brought her in in handcuffs

615
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 3: in a jumpsuit. I think that was the one that

616
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 3: they had reached out to her and wanted her to

617
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 3: come in and they felt like that she was a

618
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 3: threat and made up leaving. And also I think she

619
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 3: was the one that around the holidays that Distertorney Love

620
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 3: reached out to her and then the conversation kind of

621
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 3: switched and here she was away from her kids. Now

622
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 3: I don't know her background, don't know anything about her.

623
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 3: The only thing I do know is that we saw

624
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 3: her in handcuffs coming in with a jumpsuit on, and

625
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 3: then the next day we saw her in regular clothes,

626
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 3: And to me, that was insensitive, Senator saying to myself,

627
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 3: what was the reason why you had to put her

628
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 3: in handcuffs to be able to sit here behind this

629
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 3: stand and give a case.

630
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: Also, there was.

631
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 3: A young guy who was already in prison. They took

632
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 3: him out of jail, came in and he had his

633
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 3: jumpsuit on as well, and he pretty much said, I

634
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 3: don't want to be here, but I'm forced to be here.

635
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 3: And I think that was when the guy he was

636
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,239
Speaker 3: involved in situation, whereas that the somebody shot the other

637
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 3: guy in the head. Yes, and I'm crossed the car

638
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 3: and I sat there and I'm saying to myself, Okay,

639
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 3: I get it which trying to do, but what does

640
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 3: it have to do anything? And then you have it

641
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 3: could be a psychological thing.

642
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, but you.

643
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 3: Have a book, books on top of books on top

644
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 3: of other documents asking all these questions. And at the

645
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 3: very beginning I was more, Okay, if someone's not cooperative,

646
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 3: then you have every right to, you know, bulldoze, and

647
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 3: everything's off the table let start seeing a trend that

648
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 3: I didn't like, and that's when I began to say, Okay,

649
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 3: this is too personal.

650
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: You're not letting up.

651
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 3: There's a point when you have to have some kind

652
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 3: of decency and minds you.

653
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: Social media plays a huge role. We see things. I

654
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: never saw anything, but it was just how it's communicated

655
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: out to public. It's like, how.

656
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 3: I get it that you want to do your job,

657
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 3: and you're doing your job, but where is the human

658
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 3: side of you to where is that? Okay, then they

659
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 3: don't want to be here, so how can you better communicate?

660
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: Where is that?

661
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 3: When Simone was up there, she was able to connect

662
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 3: with the witnesses and she was able to talk with

663
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 3: them to communicate back with her some of the Whatnes says.

664
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 3: You know, they were on edge when just Attorney Love

665
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 3: came up, they didn't you can tell they didn't respect

666
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 3: her as much. But then when Simone comes up, it's

667
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 3: a little bit. They're a little bit more ease and

668
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 3: she's able to talk to them.

669
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 2: Right that common theme of I don't want to be

670
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 2: here because I think that the witness you're talking about it,

671
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 2: he's like, yo, I'm already doing my time. I'm a

672
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 2: chain game, man, I'm poled to being chained.

673
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 4: Guy.

674
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: He just kept saying that.

675
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 2: Correct, And so people are watching this, and this is

676
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 2: where it starts to feel like col coherion, cohersion. Yes,

677
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 2: that's when it starts to feel like cohersion. Is that okay?

678
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 2: Because I'm gonna get to this with Woody right, correct?

679
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 2: Because Woody was a scenario where okay, matter of fact,

680
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 2: let's get into it now.

681
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: No, let's save Woody.

682
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 2: Because Woody is a lot let's because I don't want

683
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 2: to skip into Woody.

684
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: Woody is a lot.

685
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 3: So.

686
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 2: But for the guy who we're talking about with, you

687
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 2: know who they brought from jail, I think it speaks

688
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 2: volumes when they dangle the immunity in their face like that,

689
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 2: right when it's like yo, today they have on a

690
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 2: jumpsuit tomorrow and regular clothes.

691
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: What happened? Correct? How did that happen? I think? And

692
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: that's like the other part.

693
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 3: That's the reason why I spoke about education, like now

694
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 3: is the time for people, you know, in today's society

695
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 3: to make sure they complete school and get the learning

696
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 3: they need because I felt I felt like in going

697
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 3: through the you know, the judiciary system, and I'm seeing

698
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 3: that foaks committed a crime, but the state pretty much

699
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 3: owns them for X amount of time. Crazy, And that

700
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,720
Speaker 3: right there shocked me. Now, that could be me being naive,

701
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 3: but it was just a common factor because when you're

702
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 3: signing your name on the dotted line and you get

703
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 3: X amount of years x amount of time, the state

704
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 3: owns you. So they can like with like with that

705
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 3: particularly individual, they can go and get you from the

706
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 3: jail and say, hey, we need to come testify it

707
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 3: because you have some kind of connection to.

708
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 2: Something, right, And oftentimes they played that game with you, right,

709
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 2: So like let's say they need you to testify, and

710
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 2: they did this in the wide sale trial. They'll come

711
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 2: lock you up a few days before they need you

712
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 2: to testify, correct, so they know where your location is,

713
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 2: Like we know wheys at correct, and we're going to

714
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 2: force him to come in here. I just don't see

715
00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 2: how Attorney Love or the state felt like bringing in

716
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 2: witnesses that we're gonna get up there and say I

717
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 2: don't want to be.

718
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 1: Here would resonate with a jury, correct.

719
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 3: I mean, And it's different when if it's you know,

720
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 3: off camera and they you know it was a closed court.

721
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 3: I think that it probably been something a little different,

722
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 3: but because we saw that in some of the interrogation videos,

723
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 3: whereas that folks will say one thing, but then of

724
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 3: course you get in front of a courtroom and in

725
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 3: front of a jury, now it's just like anything everything

726
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 3: you say pretty much cand be held against you.

727
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: And that's what it was.

728
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 3: So I agree with you. I mean, I don't know

729
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 3: if to me, I don't understand. Maybe the state did,

730
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 3: maybe they didn't. They did not vet the individuals before

731
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 3: coming in. Now of course they can't. I mean, I'm

732
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 3: an attorney, so they you know, they know what to

733
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 3: do when they can cannot do. But still you have

734
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 3: individuals come inside and how do you expect for them

735
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 3: to side with you and feel like they're going to

736
00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 3: tell the court what you possibly want them to say,

737
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,439
Speaker 3: arnge the story correct. And there's a difference between using

738
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 3: their words and then also using their words to be

739
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 3: able to get the point of across. It's up to

740
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 3: the like, you can't speak on behalf of somebody and

741
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 3: they're not going to sit up here and you know

742
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 3: and not saying not telling the truth, but they're not

743
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 3: gonna sit here and give you what you what you want,

744
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 3: even if it's like community, right, I mean, you know

745
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 3: you have It's almost like I.

746
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: Said before, there's street smarts and there's book smarts.

747
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 3: Yes, and folks were doing what was best for them,

748
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 3: and so I don't to me, I don't know if

749
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 3: the state better them beforehand or not. I just I'm

750
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 3: very curious.

751
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: About that, right me too.

752
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, did you or any other

753
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 2: other jurors take note to like the brand steal and

754
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 2: mislove back and forth, so all of the commotion in court,

755
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 2: because it had some heeded moments in front of y'all,

756
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 2: Like there was a lot happening when sometimes you'll be like, oh.

757
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 3: So it was like it was this running joke because

758
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 3: when just Attorney Love went up because she always wanted

759
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 3: to approach the bench. When she approached the bench, you

760
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 3: had all pretty much the whole defense team come up there,

761
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 3: and you just see it was so funny because you

762
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 3: and I remember we're sitting here, and I remember when

763
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 3: Jared like, we're because you know, as time went on

764
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 3: and you start saying herself, Okay, we're going everything's running smooth,

765
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 3: there's no hiccups.

766
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: Yes, but something. I think.

767
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 3: It's almost like this brother and sister fight. They really

768
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 3: don't like each other, and I don't know their relationship

769
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 3: to this day, I don't know.

770
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 2: But she's trying to bury Brian Still looks a young thug,

771
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 2: like a son. Right, They're really close, So she's trying

772
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 2: to bury someone that in all intensive purposes. Brian Still

773
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 2: is saying this innocent guy right right, like, so he

774
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 2: took that very personal.

775
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, but those two, it's it will go smoothly and

776
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 3: as soon as like I think, she'll say something slick,

777
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, you start hearing the objection,

778
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 3: and then Attorney Still was just stand up and it's

779
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 3: it was.

780
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: It was a chess match. It was.

781
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 3: It was fun to watch at first, but became annoying

782
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,240
Speaker 3: after a while because you knew that at some point

783
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 3: someone was gonna flip. And both of their voice, you know,

784
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 3: Attorney district tourney love. I mean, her voice carries. She

785
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 3: doesn't need a microphone, it carries. And those two go

786
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 3: at it. And then when Judge Glanville and you know,

787
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 3: I think he used to be in the military, I

788
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 3: think himself. It's all three shouting and you're sitting here.

789
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 3: It's like a ticking bomb that's about to go off, Like,

790
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 3: oh my gosh. There was never a dull moment when

791
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 3: it came down to those two and the eye rolling,

792
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 3: the you know, I think when Brian, I mean like

793
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 3: when Attorney Steele was sitting down or standing up, he

794
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 3: kind of like at the at the front or whatever,

795
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 3: he just sits back. He's like, yeah, like he's starting red.

796
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 3: He's like, Patton is like his leg and then.

797
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 2: So are you guys. It's girls watching all it. We're

798
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:52,240
Speaker 2: watching everything.

799
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 3: We're watching every movement, all the laughs, all the rolling,

800
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 3: the sarcasm, We're watching everything.

801
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 2: And did it ever feel like because Attorney Love, outside

802
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 2: of the jury's presence, for number of reasons, were brought

803
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 2: to the table for I guess, trying to influence you

804
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,879
Speaker 2: guys with you know, heavy.

805
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: Breathing or you know looks and.

806
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,280
Speaker 2: Eye rows and certain things where she was basically trying

807
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 2: to get according to the defense, she was trying to

808
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 2: get people in the jury box to agree with her sentiment.

809
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, like, what is that? That's

810
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: not what it is?

811
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, and those kind of things.

812
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 2: Did you were you guys affected by that.

813
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I think I wasn't affected by it because

814
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 3: you know, my mind, you know, was you know, just

815
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 3: falling the facts the entire time. But I do think

816
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 3: that with some of the other jurors, they probably were

817
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 3: siding with some of the emotional connections that was being

818
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 3: thrown out. Yes, and I say that because I'm I'm

819
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 3: sitting you know, it's time when I sat in the

820
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 3: middle of the jury box, so I'm looking to the

821
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 3: left of the right, and I see, you know, my

822
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 3: colleagues around me and some folks you know, might have

823
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 3: been swayed by some of the emotional standpoint of it.

824
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 3: And even during the deliberations, you know, something's popped up

825
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 3: or some people were siding with based on whatever and

826
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 3: from from their perspective. But yes, it didn't sway me.

827
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 3: I'm sure for other jurors they probably pay close attention

828
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 3: to it. It was it was pretty much somewhat split.

829
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: Was it was it loud?

830
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 3: No?

831
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 2: Was did it feel like she's doing that? She's doing

832
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 2: that so you can hear, you know how sometimes you

833
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 2: may go to a restaurant or you may notice when

834
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 2: this person is doing this, like trying to get some

835
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 2: attention or did it feel like they were actually legally

836
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 2: sparring or did it feel like she actually was trying to.

837
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: Get you guys to see from her standpoint.

838
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 3: I think probably from her standpoint, because you know how

839
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 3: the room was set up. You know, we had the

840
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 3: jury box, which this islet stay this table. The state

841
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 3: literally was right in front of us. We can literally

842
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 3: reach over and touch almost them from where they were,

843
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 3: and then the whole defense team was to the on

844
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 3: the other side, so they were further away from us.

845
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 3: So of course you're gonna look at what's closer to you,

846
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 3: and so that's you know, Distri Attorney Love and Simon

847
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:25,479
Speaker 3: and all the in the States. They were all sitting

848
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 3: there there, so you saw more than facial expressions. But

849
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 3: when it came down to defense, off into the back,

850
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 3: sometimes you will see, you know, Tourney Steele, he will

851
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 3: you know, like I said, he will just grab his face.

852
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 3: He'll turn red. You can see him turning red from

853
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 3: the distance. You'll see Tourney Adams doing the same exact thing.

854
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 3: He'll roll his eyes. I mean, you can see those things,

855
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 3: and it's just it was just something that I don't

856
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 3: think it was a good strategy because you.

857
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: Know, in the end the emotion is really just was

858
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:57,720
Speaker 1: out the door to some degree.

859
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, when you when you look at and when

860
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 2: you look at miss Love right and what she was doing.

861
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 2: There was a moment where they took her out of

862
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 2: the courtroom where it's like, yo, she's not showing up

863
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 2: as much. Do you think that was a little too late?

864
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: And I won't to say it was late.

865
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:26,280
Speaker 3: I just think that she uh, Fanny, I think it's

866
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 3: Fannie Willis. Yeah, Annie Williams, a distric attorney or attorney.

867
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 3: She should not have put her on this case period period.

868
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 3: I think that it was a bad move. I think

869
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 3: that attorney, I mean distre attorney Love could have done

870
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 3: some things behind the scenes and kind of help with

871
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 3: her colleagues. But you got to know your audience, you

872
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 3: know some you know, some people resonate really well with others,

873
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 3: and so I think that if it was a smaller

874
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 3: group of individuals or something else, then she might have

875
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 3: done well. But on this magnitude, I don't necessarily think

876
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 3: that she was a good fit. And yes we did

877
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 3: start seeing her not there as much, but simone should

878
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 3: have taken it. I think flot out Simone should have

879
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 3: been the lead person on the particular case, and I

880
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 3: told her directly, so, you know, just atturning Well, the

881
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 3: state has to remain you know, stage fit. But you know,

882
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 3: I'm very vocal, in which people know I'm very vocal,

883
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 3: become very vocal as time went on, and I'm assuming

884
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 3: that they that they probably agree with me, and and

885
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 3: even defense team they probably said, you know, hey, we

886
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 3: probably would have had a better fight had it been Simone,

887
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 3: you know, if you but at the end of day,

888
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 3: everybody had a job of towurds to do that, and

889
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 3: so but it was just just atturning love. It was

890
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 3: just this was not the case that she should.

891
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: Have been on.

892
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 2: What man, it's crazy. Yeah, just thinking about all of that,

893
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 2: it's like that is so old.

894
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 3: Well because because the case could have been you know,

895
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 3: I think this could have been a shorter length of time.

896
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 3: I think that we were told that it was going

897
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 3: to be what six months, maybe nine months. I was

898
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 3: going for six months at the minimum and possibly go

899
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 3: to nine months.

900
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: Because I was trying to get about of it. Yeah,

901
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: have a life.

902
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 3: I enjoyed my life for sure, and the which I'll

903
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 3: talk about in my series and whatever. But at the

904
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 3: same time, you people don't understand the mental toll that

905
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 3: it plays that you are going into a room and

906
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 3: you're being controlled when to leave. We're there from nine

907
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 3: to five Monday through Friday if we have court, you know,

908
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 3: unless I have like you know, come half a day.

909
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: So if.

910
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 3: Simone had presented in her style of presentation, she's more

911
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 3: of a lecturer to students or of a professor, and

912
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 3: it makes sense.

913
00:44:58,360 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: It just flows.

914
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 3: When it came to just attorney Love, it was just

915
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 3: like it kept prolonging and prolonging and prolonging, and at

916
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 3: some point you want to scream because it's like, how

917
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 3: long are you going to hold us hostage?

918
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: And then my political cap comes on.

919
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm saying to myself, I'll say to myself,

920
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 3: we're not on trial here, So what point are you

921
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 3: trying to is your strategy is to squeeze money out

922
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 3: of Jeffrey Williams and others to where is that this

923
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 3: will force their hand down to whereas that okay, you

924
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 3: can't go anymore, because I mean it's a good strategy,

925
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 3: but you have to understand that you have the jury

926
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,720
Speaker 3: that's up here who's losing their entire life.

927
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: Yes, they can't do anything.

928
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 3: Yes, I can't tell you how many jurors had to

929
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 3: reschedule doctor's appointments.

930
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: You know.

931
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 3: Some people had big it was Wonder had a vacation

932
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 3: plan and so they asked me, they said, Jason, what

933
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 3: do you think I should do?

934
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 1: I said, we do you have trip insurance?

935
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 3: And they said no, because that juror was going to

936
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 3: travel with their family for entire month or two months

937
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 3: over in Europe. Scratch the whole entire thing off. There's

938
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:10,280
Speaker 3: countless stories. So the frustration that just attorney Love brought

939
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 3: had a massive not seeing the massive way of how

940
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 3: we decided on the trial. But this case could have

941
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:21,760
Speaker 3: been shorter than what it was had Simon had presented

942
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 3: it from her perspective, because this Turney Love, it was

943
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 3: just everywhere. It's just like she kept kept going every

944
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 3: single day. It kept getting longer and longer and longer,

945
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:30,720
Speaker 3: and it's.

946
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: Just it was too much. Too much. Yeah, what was

947
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,280
Speaker 1: your position with the jury?

948
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:39,720
Speaker 2: I know they have like certain different positions and things

949
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 2: like that.

950
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:41,720
Speaker 1: Did you hold a position with the jury?

951
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 3: I didn't hold a position, but surprisingly I was never

952
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 3: supposed to be the foreman at all, he wasn't okay.

953
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 3: I remember that maybe the first day or the first week.

954
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 3: One of the jurors said, and we were all sitting

955
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 3: down the rooms like a rectanglar shape. We had all

956
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 3: eighteen because you had to say alternate story time. Juror said, well,

957
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 3: if you all don't mind, I would like to be

958
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 3: the foreman. Now my ego side, you know, right, my

959
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 3: ego side was like, okay, yeah, I wanted to be

960
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 3: the foreman because you know, I'd like to I have

961
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 3: to get stuff done.

962
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: I had to keep things flowing, you know.

963
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 3: And and so I said, you know what, the thing,

964
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 3: maybe maybe is this is God trying to tell me

965
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 3: take your hands off a little bit, don't do anything.

966
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: And so my.

967
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 3: Position was just regular jury. And so it wasn't until

968
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 3: the very end, and you know, you get to know

969
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 3: Chall's personality.

970
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: And I respect all the jurors, I really do.

971
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 3: I mean, there were some tense moments that, you know,

972
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 3: not physical altercation, but some morning altercation.

973
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:41,919
Speaker 1: Like what let's talk about.

974
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 2: I mean, we don't have to get into the specifics

975
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 2: of them, but I want to know what it's like

976
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 2: in a trial of this magnitude with those conversations.

977
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 3: Well, you get to be a family, so you get

978
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 3: to pretty much you become close. We were together for

979
00:47:56,040 --> 00:48:00,959
Speaker 3: a year and personalities can't I will say that for

980
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 3: us to be that close, I would say that if

981
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 3: there were when when there were incidents, people solve.

982
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: Them right and we would expect that.

983
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 2: My my more and sole thing is I wanted to know,

984
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 2: you know, let's just say, for example, yo, Jason is

985
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 2: saying the lyrics is a no go. They don't even

986
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 2: collaborate what's going on. But Ashley is saying, well, but

987
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 2: I kind of think that the lyrics do mean you

988
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 2: know what they're saying, right, I want to know about

989
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 2: those discussions and how maybe they will work out.

990
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:40,240
Speaker 3: Well, it it boiled down to for deliberation, it always

991
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 3: boiled down to three people were holding things up.

992
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: Wow.

993
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 3: And what I will say, which I talk about later,

994
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 3: you know it's some other point in time, is we

995
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 3: were supposed to have a verdict the day before we

996
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 3: actually delivered the verdict. I was trying to have that

997
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 3: done by that day, right, bowl down to one person.

998
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: And when I tell.

999
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 3: You, I was so pissed, say it like here I was.

1000
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 3: You know, we we were sitting down and we're getting

1001
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 3: you know, we how I it's almost like whipping the

1002
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 3: votes and so priae. Well, so I back up home,

1003
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 3: like for a moment. I remember when we heard the

1004
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 3: closing arguments, I talked. I spoke to one of the

1005
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 3: jurors who is one of the senior folks in that

1006
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 3: group of a colleagues or whatever, and I looked at

1007
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 3: her and I said, I'm gonna be the foreman. I said,

1008
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 3: the person who wanted to be the foreman, there's no

1009
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 3: way owned because of private discussions of other topics that

1010
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 3: kind of got people upset here and there, and we

1011
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 3: respected that person.

1012
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: But the fact is that it was just a clash.

1013
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: And I was like, I think I racial class, not racial.

1014
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: Was just more of.

1015
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 3: Disagreements because if I'm looking at it from a like

1016
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 3: I said, from a fact, from a fact, so from

1017
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 3: a political view, if you piss off this person's dominant

1018
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 3: effect and you lose three or four people, and it's

1019
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 3: going to go no matter what that person said, it's

1020
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 3: going to automatically go towards We're going to go against you.

1021
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 3: And I didn't want that. So that's the reason why

1022
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 3: I did. Yes, this is probably the first time that

1023
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 3: Georgian probably should hear about that though, hear about this though.

1024
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,399
Speaker 3: But that's what I did. I really, really, I knew

1025
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 3: people's personalities and I felt but the three individuals that

1026
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 3: it boiled down to, I did not build a better

1027
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 3: relationship with them. Everybody else in the room I did,

1028
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 3: and I did not know how they were going to think.

1029
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:54,720
Speaker 3: They were quiet, they were to themselves, and I pretty

1030
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 3: much didn't have my cards in the row, so I

1031
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 3: had to lie on other jurors to be able to

1032
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 3: bridge that relationship and to be able to talk things through.

1033
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 3: But it always boiled down to three individuals and sometimes four,

1034
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:13,320
Speaker 3: but mostly three. And then the day the verdict was read,

1035
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 3: Like I previously said, we were supposed to have a

1036
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 3: verdict the day before, but the one individual wanted to

1037
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 3: go home and go to sleep on it. Yes, when

1038
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 3: I tell you, I was so I was. I was

1039
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 3: literally upset. I was so upset. I said there's no way.

1040
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 3: I said, God, come on, please, I can't take anymore.

1041
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:39,240
Speaker 3: Even I remember I remember going home and just venting

1042
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:41,959
Speaker 3: because I was just like, we gotta come back.

1043
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: In here one more day.

1044
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 3: And when we got back in I remember the van

1045
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 3: ride was quiet. No one said a word. I sat

1046
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 3: in the very back of the van and we got

1047
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 3: to the courthouse. We sat down, and I turned and

1048
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 3: looked at the individual and I said, okay, where do

1049
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 3: you stand? And so then we had our votes and

1050
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 3: we were we had the I want to say, we

1051
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 3: had the we had a verdict, probably within fifteen twenty

1052
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,919
Speaker 3: minutes before we even like when we got to the courtroom, right,

1053
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 3: And so that was that. I remember handing into the

1054
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:23,280
Speaker 3: sheriff officer rung the bell or whatever, and he comes

1055
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 3: inside and he said you all done. I said, yes,

1056
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 3: we're done. But it it boiled down to three.

1057
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 2: So what basically, for people who don't know how this

1058
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 2: process works, these three people are saying guilty and now

1059
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 2: other people are saying not guilty.

1060
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: So what I did? What what are the so?

1061
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 3: So what I did was I when I when I

1062
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 3: whipped the votes, meaning that I pretty much had, came

1063
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,320
Speaker 3: up there and got on the board. I said, okay,

1064
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 3: we have a column for we had for guilty, undecided,

1065
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 3: and not guilty.

1066
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 1: Those are the three columns out. Okay.

1067
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 3: I literally asked everybody, We're going to do it in

1068
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 3: a diplomatic way. I said, raise your hand if you

1069
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 3: find individuals guilty. And that's how it'd have done. Had

1070
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 3: people on taking the plea deal, we would have done

1071
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 3: the same as that thing. And I said, as of today,

1072
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:11,320
Speaker 3: as of right.

1073
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 1: Now, where do you stand?

1074
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 3: Because I want to know where the numbers are, because

1075
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,439
Speaker 3: my whole goal was to get the undecided to either

1076
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 3: guilty or not guilty. Make sense, And so that's what

1077
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 3: we did. And so you have people raise their hand

1078
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 3: for guilty. Then we had a few numbers for undecided.

1079
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 3: Then we had individuals who said not guilty. Once we

1080
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 3: did all that, people saw the numbers where they were.

1081
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 3: Then we had a discussion for each indictment. We went

1082
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 3: through each one and we had to and you had

1083
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:45,399
Speaker 3: and those who found found them guilty, which, like I said,

1084
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 3: had folks on taking a plea deal, would have had

1085
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 3: the same exact thing. I want you to explain to me,

1086
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 3: why do you find this person guilty? Because sometimes if

1087
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 3: the number tipped over, if you.

1088
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: If you had because you need what's.

1089
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 3: Twelve Thure's two of Jersey, if we had seven of

1090
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 3: them not guilty and the remaining isn't guilty.

1091
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: There are people who say that there that is guilty.

1092
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 3: I need to explain to me why we need to

1093
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 3: get like I needed one column to be more.

1094
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: Than the other. Right, so we have a decision. Decision.

1095
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 3: Yes, I did not want to, but but if we

1096
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 3: had undecided, we started there. If anybody was undecided, they

1097
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 3: had to explain what they find.

1098
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 2: I think that's interesting. Now, Now is that traditionally how

1099
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 2: things work? Or is that depressss you implemented. That's the

1100
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 2: process that I implement it. I think that that is

1101
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 2: so interesting because, uh, usually in those I would imagine

1102
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,800
Speaker 2: that you can say not guilty, guilty and just stand

1103
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 2: on it. You don't really have to run back through

1104
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 2: the in your mind like hold on correct.

1105
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 3: Well, there were times when people did you know, had

1106
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 3: to refresh their memory on certain things. But I felt

1107
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 3: like it was the most diplomatic way and it to

1108
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 3: help guide us through to stay on track.

1109
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 2: Now, are you guys back there with the videos the papers,

1110
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 2: so you could I mean, what kind of notes were

1111
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 2: you taking as a juror? Like, so if you could

1112
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 2: go to, hey, the Woody interrogation video at forty five

1113
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 2: oh six, he said this, which doesn't make sense with

1114
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 2: what the state said here? Right, were you taking extensive

1115
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:23,839
Speaker 2: notes and did all of you guys have a lot

1116
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 2: of notes when you're in the jury room deliberating? What's

1117
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 2: back there? Is that a TV is their videos is interrogations?

1118
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: What's back there?

1119
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:34,240
Speaker 3: We only were able to They only gave us document,

1120
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:40,359
Speaker 3: physical papers and also any what do you call it,

1121
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 3: like poster boards? Anything they had, Okay, the exhibits, exhibits, exhibits.

1122
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: Anytime we need to watch a video, we had to.

1123
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 3: Put it in a writing form to give it to

1124
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 3: a sheriff officer, to give it to the judge. They

1125
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 3: had to get everybody into the courtroom. We could not

1126
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 3: watch a video on our own. What yes, So that

1127
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 3: was why it was a process. So if a juror

1128
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 3: was saying, well, hey, I need to see a video

1129
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 3: on you know, the shooting, we had to submit that

1130
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 3: in and then we had pretty much how to be

1131
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 3: more specific and so literally that's when you saw us

1132
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 3: go back into the courtroom just to watch a video,

1133
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 3: just to watch a video. And so I didn't want

1134
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 3: to waste my time. Was the time I said, listen,

1135
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 3: anything that you need, we need to put it all.

1136
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: On piece of paper.

1137
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 3: Now I want to put it on everything on one

1138
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 3: sheet of paper to get delivered to the judge so

1139
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,439
Speaker 3: that when we do go inside there we can watch

1140
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 3: it and not keep going out and out, because to

1141
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 3: me that's just too much. I'm all about efficiency, and.

1142
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 1: So that's how it was.

1143
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 3: Any documents, some people are going through some of the

1144
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 3: documents that they had and reading through and everything, but

1145
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 3: any videos, any voice recordings that's jail calls, we had

1146
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 3: to submit it in.

1147
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:56,359
Speaker 2: It makes sense though, because they want to as as

1148
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 2: Brian Steal and the defense and the State, they want

1149
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 2: to make sure you actually are in the right call

1150
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 2: or seeing the right video because I can slide a

1151
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 2: video in there to the deliberation room that never made

1152
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 2: it into the courts.

1153
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: Right one thing.

1154
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 3: And the defense did a good job. I think this

1155
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 3: was their part that they did not want for us

1156
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 3: to have the transcript. I think they didn't want to.

1157
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 3: I think it was the defense team because they want

1158
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 3: us to listen to what they had to say. So

1159
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 3: of course the state would say, this is what they're saying,

1160
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 3: but of course you're trying to listen to the jail

1161
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 3: call what they're.

1162
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:29,439
Speaker 1: Trying to say.

1163
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 3: I like, I wish we had something in our hand,

1164
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 3: and I think a couple of times they did that.

1165
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 3: Whereas that during the jail calls because something the audio

1166
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 3: was kind of awful little bit it was kind of

1167
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 3: hard to hear. And then we had a couple of

1168
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 3: folks who are senior, you know, they had a hard

1169
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 3: time hearing what was going on there, like you know

1170
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 3: sometimes you know, and that's when we go back to

1171
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 3: the deliberation room where they say, well, I think I

1172
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 3: heard this and this is what I got. And then

1173
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 3: people look into their notes and saying, no, this is

1174
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 3: what was said.

1175
00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 1: Right.

1176
00:57:57,800 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 3: So we had the microphone literally in front of us

1177
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 3: that then, you know, that blasted out in front of

1178
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 3: us so that some people can actually hear clearly the

1179
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 3: state had allowed that to happen, but we didn't have

1180
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 3: a physical document to see were a transcript.

1181
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 2: Oels were saying yes, yes, yes. Let me ask you this.

1182
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 2: The jury was made up of what kind of individuals.

1183
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: There were mostly black people.

1184
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 3: There were maybe one two I think two white for

1185
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 3: the for the twelve jerors with the yeah, with with

1186
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 3: all eighteen or six yeah, l eighteen of us beforehand

1187
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 3: it was pretty much diverse. Mostly you had women, you

1188
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 3: had folks who were in the you know, we had

1189
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 3: an accountant, we had someone who work in the government area,

1190
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 3: had a couple of teachers. You had folks who worked

1191
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 3: for different carriers or you know, whether it's a phone

1192
00:58:55,880 --> 00:59:01,919
Speaker 3: company or trucking company.

1193
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 1: I mean it was. It was pretty diverse.

1194
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 3: It was diverse, right, old, young, both the oldest person

1195
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 3: actually and I felt so we felt bad for her.

1196
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 3: I felt baffer because the running joke was I'm going

1197
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 3: to go through two birthdays and two pay raises on

1198
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 3: this court case. Wow. But of course you turn seventy,

1199
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 3: you are excused from jury duty. And the oldest person

1200
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 3: actually turned seventy Wow. Well in the court case wow.

1201
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 3: And so she pretty much asked and told them they said, listen,

1202
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 3: I'm going to be seventy, and they said, you still

1203
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:38,919
Speaker 3: have to fill your jury duty. You're not seventy just yet.

1204
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 3: When she turned seventy, she asked to get off the

1205
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 3: court case. It would not let her get up.

1206
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 1: Wow. That was strenuous process process. And I think the

1207
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: youngest person was and that's the old person that's like, yo,

1208
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 1: let me go home. Correct.

1209
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 3: Those two people who were close, I say the oldest

1210
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 3: ones have to have been between sixty five and maybe

1211
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 3: sixty and seventy because I'm not sure the other one,

1212
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 3: but somewhere around that that group was eighteen eighteen.

1213
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 2: So do you you think, wow, there was an eighteen

1214
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 2: year old somewhere young and.

1215
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 1: The youngest one got off. Wow. Okay, okay, yeah, for

1216
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 1: a reason actually made sense.

1217
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 2: Though, Okay, do you think people were culturally aware, like

1218
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 2: they understood what rap lyrics? Because I think that was

1219
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 2: a fear of our culture.

1220
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 4: Right.

1221
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 2: A lot of us that's in this industry and in

1222
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 2: the business was like, yo, rap lyrics is on trial,

1223
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 2: Like they actually have lyrics and they're wrong. This is

1224
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 2: what was interesting because and we'll get the Glenville in

1225
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 2: the second part of this, but when he allowed lyrics

1226
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 2: to come in, right, it's almost like, Okay, who's culturally

1227
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 2: aware enough in the jury box to know that number

1228
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 2: one rappers lie right?

1229
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 1: Correct?

1230
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 2: That's number one. Number two he could be speaking about

1231
01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 2: some alleged crimes in his raps as well. We don't

1232
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 2: just want to shun it all for it, but there

1233
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 2: is a there is some parameters there. You do need

1234
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 2: to understand it. Everything that comes out of rapper's mouth

1235
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 2: is not truth. What did the jury feel like when

1236
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 2: they led seventeen articles of lyrics into the courtroom.

1237
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, some people are fully aware of rap music,

1238
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 3: and then others may not know certain things and you know,

1239
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 3: or certain lingos that was in there, and some holuding

1240
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 3: myself though, I mean, yeah, yeah, because.

1241
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 1: Some of this stuff don't make sense, like you don't

1242
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 1: want to hear.

1243
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 3: And I'm a stauncher person on a freedom of speeches,

1244
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 3: and so I personally said in my mind that if

1245
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 3: you were to put the lyrics in part of this

1246
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 3: court case, I'm not going to go buy that because

1247
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 3: to me, it's it's unfair. Yes, everything that you talked

1248
01:01:56,080 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 3: about and said about rap artists, to me, it is

1249
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 3: a freedom of speech of how they're expressing themselves and

1250
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 3: and and they're artists for a reason.

1251
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 1: And so.

1252
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 3: Some folks were unaware of certain linguos which I can't

1253
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 3: think of top of my head right now. But to me,

1254
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 3: it was a slippery slide to go down, because I'm

1255
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 3: going to be the person will tell the jury, Hey,

1256
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 3: this is a freedom of speech. This is is unfair

1257
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 3: to hit a specific genre of music, a specific group

1258
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 3: of individuals based on what they're saying inside their their music.

1259
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 1: It's it's so unfair, and so.

1260
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 3: We we we watched the video and that's reason why

1261
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 3: it's like it's like sometimes you know, at the very end,

1262
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 3: people were asking about what does this mean?

1263
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 1: And what is what when? What does that mean?

1264
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 2: You know, because and what was interesting is that again

1265
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 2: Glanville let this in.

1266
01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 1: But then there was a scenario.

1267
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 2: Where they brought lil Uzi Vert's name up and this

1268
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 2: was an argument between the state and the defense because

1269
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 2: they alleged that and again here's something else. You guys

1270
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 2: had to deal with the traditional case. But then all

1271
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 2: this digital stuff that comes in, it's that's a whole

1272
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 2: nother topic. But in this particular time, we're dealing with

1273
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 2: Glanville letting it in and Mislove brings in the little

1274
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 2: Uzi Vert situation with young thug. Well he said five

1275
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:34,439
Speaker 2: mil on your head, kid, Oh.

1276
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, serve it that one? Yes to me? I how

1277
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 1: do you prove that? But they were wrong because this

1278
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 1: wasn't a rap lyric.

1279
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 2: This was because lil Uzi had a diamond and playing

1280
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 2: it into his head.

1281
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 3: And I remember seeing that even before court because it

1282
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 3: happened like a couple of years off the time, right, Yes,

1283
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 3: I think it actually got taken out.

1284
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 1: It's my stolen right. It was a big pink diamond,

1285
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 1: and so it went viral.

1286
01:03:56,160 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 2: And rappers do this thing to market themselves, which also

1287
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 2: speak to some of the antics that you see. Correct,

1288
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 2: So this would lend itself if they had it in

1289
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 2: the proper context, it would lend itself to the jury understanding, Oh,

1290
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:11,920
Speaker 2: rappers that do some wild stuff to get people talking.

1291
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 1: This dude planet a diamond into his head.

1292
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 2: So so when Brian still comes up and basically tells

1293
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,479
Speaker 2: the court and the jury that they were wrong about

1294
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 2: the UZI vert thing, what was y'all position, Because I

1295
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 2: know you were already saying freedom of speeds, protect this art.

1296
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 2: I'm not necessarily gonna corroborate the story based on the lyrics.

1297
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 1: But when they're wrong, does this get the other jurors

1298
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 1: who are.

1299
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 2: On the fence about lyrics to say, oh, they're completely wrong.

1300
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 1: I'm no longer getting down the well, you know.

1301
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:49,360
Speaker 3: I think you have that because it could be a

1302
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 3: generational thing as well. Whereas that some people feel like

1303
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 3: that's what they're saying, it sounds so bad, horrible, But

1304
01:04:56,760 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 3: then it takes someone from a younger generation to this

1305
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 3: is what this This was going on, right, you know

1306
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 3: you have a battle between two artists, and like you said,

1307
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 3: it's marketing. I think that's what the defense had argued about, that, Hey,

1308
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 3: artists will do things to market themselves and also to

1309
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 3: start a battle to drive up sales because things will

1310
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 3: look different now, you know, we'd look like I'm thirty nine.

1311
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 3: So I remember, you know you had the cassette tape

1312
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:24,320
Speaker 3: and you have CDs and.

1313
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 1: Other things like that. I mean, artists want to make

1314
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 1: money and you sell.

1315
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 3: So I am assuming that some of the jurors who

1316
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 3: were not connected to some of the the lingo and

1317
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 3: why different artists were doing what you're doing, they needed

1318
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 3: some They needed to be a better understanding. They had

1319
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 3: to be told, okay, hey, this is what this is.

1320
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 3: Just like this was going on, and then I think

1321
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:54,959
Speaker 3: it does It did kind of change their perspective during

1322
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,560
Speaker 3: our deliberation because we couldn't discuss it during the whole time.

1323
01:05:57,680 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 2: That's what's crazy too, is like I sit next to

1324
01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 2: you while they I thought, y'all can go chop it up.

1325
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, it would no no no.

1326
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 3: We were every day we were told I want to

1327
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 3: say abolition or yeah, he said that.

1328
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 1: I've heard him say that at the end of the day. Yes,

1329
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 1: I heard him say that.

1330
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 3: I look at your social media accounts and we couldn't

1331
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 3: look at the news if it had anything on it.

1332
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 1: How hard was that it was? It was hard.

1333
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 3: It was hard because I mean because I I don't

1334
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:27,600
Speaker 3: watch the news news unless like a major event now.

1335
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes things.

1336
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 3: Will pop up, and I just kind of like it

1337
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 3: was pretty fair enough, like I'm not doing it, but

1338
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 3: we could not talk about the case.

1339
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 1: It's hard for me to believe though, I mean.

1340
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 2: Your family, your friends, your they know your part of

1341
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 2: this trial. Like, it's hard for me to believe that

1342
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 2: one hundred percent of the people on their jury didn't

1343
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 2: see anything concerned in that trial. If they did, though,

1344
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 2: we don't think about it, right, yeah, no, and you

1345
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:56,560
Speaker 2: shouldn't know anything about it, but they did. But you

1346
01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:00,520
Speaker 2: I'm almost certain you'll agree with that because it's too hard. Hard, man,

1347
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 2: it's too hard, especially especially the local news and you

1348
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:07,920
Speaker 2: see things. Is one of the highest of profiles, it's

1349
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 2: the highest profile, it's the highest profile case.

1350
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 3: And this case was going it was going to determine

1351
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:16,640
Speaker 3: a lot for a lot of artists moving forward. Yes,

1352
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:19,760
Speaker 3: and so I believe that whatever happened in this case

1353
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 3: and what was presented will give either the state an

1354
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 3: opportunity if something were to come up with a different artist,

1355
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 3: how to navigate through the system to render a verdict

1356
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:33,320
Speaker 3: that's going to side with the state.

1357
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, And and I think for people who were

1358
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 2: culturally unaware of lyrics, because let's deal with these two points,

1359
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 2: you have one point where again you're going to back

1360
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 2: in there to deliberate, and let's just say there's a

1361
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 2: jury with this one lyric written down, Like I get

1362
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 2: what you're saying about all that, but this one lyric

1363
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:58,800
Speaker 2: right here when he says, shoot at your mama and

1364
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 2: she no longer meant to me.

1365
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:03,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that dude mama was shot. Yeah. Right. It's

1366
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 1: it's hard to How did you explain things like that?

1367
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:08,440
Speaker 1: Well you have to.

1368
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 3: You have to, like like you said, like some artists

1369
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 3: will say things and they're lying about it.

1370
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that it's true.

1371
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 3: And you had to convince those who didn't understand what

1372
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 3: this is what it said, especially the teachers. Yes, Like

1373
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 3: I said, we have two folks and there who are teachers,

1374
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 3: and we had one individual who kind of side with

1375
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 3: because you know, they have kids and you know, gun

1376
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:35,639
Speaker 3: violence and all the things, and they kind of feel

1377
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 3: sep away. But there were a couple of jurors who

1378
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:43,000
Speaker 3: were able to pretty much explain, this is what they're saying,

1379
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 3: but the common thing was freedom of speech, and this

1380
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 3: is an artist making a song that it might have

1381
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:55,519
Speaker 3: fit what they want to get across. And then it's

1382
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:58,639
Speaker 3: music as an artist to other for folks who want

1383
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:02,439
Speaker 3: to you know, listen to music whatever. So we were

1384
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 3: able to navigate through it.

1385
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:06,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, and for me it would have been how bad

1386
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:10,280
Speaker 2: do you think those jurors would have felt if they

1387
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 2: put him? If they put young thug in jail for

1388
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 2: the rest of his life? Right based on the lyrics.

1389
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 2: Of course there was more evidence, but if the lyrics

1390
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 2: would have driven force, and then they get out of

1391
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:24,599
Speaker 2: that trial and bump into the Kendrick and Drake situation, correct,

1392
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:27,200
Speaker 2: in which you started to say, oh, the lyric thing

1393
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 2: is because he's calling them a pedophile and he's not

1394
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:30,920
Speaker 2: really a pedipheral.

1395
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 4: Right.

1396
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 2: They even let it go on the Super Bowl, correct,

1397
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 2: So you start to understand that lyrics don't hold as

1398
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:38,519
Speaker 2: much weight as they did in that courtroom when you

1399
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:40,680
Speaker 2: nailed this young man to the cross, that.

1400
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:42,799
Speaker 1: Would have been wild Well, it would have been Wild's.

1401
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 1: And that's reason why, like you know.

1402
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 3: You had to be very delicate, and that's how we

1403
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 3: were doing during the like during deliberation, because I knew

1404
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 3: that if the foreman would have the preepest person wanted

1405
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 3: to be the foreman, it would have bumped head and

1406
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:02,599
Speaker 3: it would have an incidence like that.

1407
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 1: Yes, and that's scary, and it is.

1408
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 3: It is definitely definitely scary, and not saying that they

1409
01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:09,280
Speaker 3: wouldn't have been a good foreman about it, but it's

1410
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:13,719
Speaker 3: the fact of just conversations on other subjects. It would

1411
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:16,960
Speaker 3: have bumped heads with individuals who would have just been like, no,

1412
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 3: this is what he's saying, and it would have been

1413
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 3: adamant about it. Right.

1414
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:22,920
Speaker 1: And so then like you said, this whole beef of.

1415
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 3: Drake and Kendricks, you leave out the courtroom and then

1416
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:28,639
Speaker 3: now you're seeing it firsthand, this.

1417
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 1: Is what's going on.

1418
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 3: It's just like, okay, then you My goal was not

1419
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 3: to make it to us to make sure it was.

1420
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:36,559
Speaker 3: We were going to go by what we were, like,

1421
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 3: what was in that courtroom and to be fair about

1422
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 3: it and go on by what the state and what's presenting,

1423
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:48,720
Speaker 3: and what the defense was debunking, and so anything else

1424
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:49,280
Speaker 3: out side of that.

1425
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 1: It was no other voyant.

1426
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:53,720
Speaker 2: And I bet thug is happy that someone like you

1427
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 2: was in there. I'm almost certain he is right because

1428
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 2: he needed and that's why the lawyers fight for certain

1429
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:01,760
Speaker 2: jerorsm Now, no, know, we're not doing all those kind

1430
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:02,240
Speaker 2: of people.

1431
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:03,280
Speaker 1: Let's get some of these.

1432
01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 3: I'm just curious to know. Like I'm curious to know

1433
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 3: which which if both sides wanted me or one side.

1434
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:12,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just curious. Yeah, I always thought about that.

1435
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:14,040
Speaker 1: I was like, what did the state want me or

1436
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:16,599
Speaker 1: the defense want me? I don't I bit you it

1437
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:18,240
Speaker 1: was Brian Steele. Now I don't.

1438
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:21,360
Speaker 3: Look, I'm curious to this day because I think that's

1439
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:23,639
Speaker 3: like the ice on the cake though.

1440
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:26,640
Speaker 1: Because I wonder who how That's a good question.

1441
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 3: Because I literally sat down and I mentioned before just

1442
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:34,160
Speaker 3: Attorney Love asked me questions and I literally was saying, hey,

1443
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:35,439
Speaker 3: I go about the factors to go and buy the

1444
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:38,240
Speaker 3: questionnaire seats. And then Dee Williams asked me a softball

1445
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:39,320
Speaker 3: question about horror movies.

1446
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 1: And I don't watch horror movies.

1447
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:43,919
Speaker 2: I'm not right personally, I'm not paying you to scare.

1448
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:48,200
Speaker 3: That's not my my area. And it was a softball question.

1449
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:50,720
Speaker 3: And so then after all that, and even after this case,

1450
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 3: even in like you know, as you and I were talking,

1451
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:57,760
Speaker 3: I'm just curious to know which attorneys wanted which You're right,

1452
01:11:57,880 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 3: that is so funny, and they will probably answer it,

1453
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:03,360
Speaker 3: I hope. So they're probably gonna answer it because I'm

1454
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:05,720
Speaker 3: probably next. I'm gonna try to do Brian Steele and

1455
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:08,720
Speaker 3: Keith Adams right that those are two people that want

1456
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:11,160
Speaker 3: to see with And I got a relationship because Brian Steele.

1457
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 3: I spoke to him while the trial was going on,

1458
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 3: because I interviewed rich Homie Kwan, and they were gonna

1459
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:21,000
Speaker 3: use before the passing RP Rich Homey Kuan. Uh, they

1460
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:22,920
Speaker 3: were gonna use that interview to kind.

1461
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 2: Of show you, guys, the relationship between Thug and rich

1462
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:29,760
Speaker 2: Homi Kwan wasn't as bad as they presented it. Let's

1463
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 2: talk about that. What was your feelings on some of

1464
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:37,240
Speaker 2: these relationships, because for all intensive purposes, the state were

1465
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 2: saying that, hey, uh, there was a murder of Donovan

1466
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:44,519
Speaker 2: Thomas Donovan. Thomas was connected to Wi Fi and Luci

1467
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 2: and Rich Homi Kwan Young Thug and Rich Homy Kuan

1468
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:51,639
Speaker 2: had an issue that caused this whole problem. Correct, did

1469
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:52,880
Speaker 2: you guys buy any of that?

1470
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:58,479
Speaker 3: People probably bought into it early on. But that's when

1471
01:12:58,479 --> 01:13:04,320
Speaker 3: I go back into the not enough evidence, the inconsistencies

1472
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:07,600
Speaker 3: you want to I mean, and rap rap artists do this,

1473
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:10,080
Speaker 3: you know, they they beef back and forth, but at

1474
01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:14,120
Speaker 3: the same time putting if something doesn't fit, like a puzzle,

1475
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 3: you can't make it fit. And so I believe that

1476
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:21,680
Speaker 3: there are some jurors who were thinking that there was

1477
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:24,880
Speaker 3: a beef and or you know, they were friends, and

1478
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:27,040
Speaker 3: then this what took place in the state. I'll say,

1479
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 3: give it to the state. They tried to together. Like

1480
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:34,040
Speaker 3: I said, I think Simone would have probably done a

1481
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:37,759
Speaker 3: better job. It's probably making it fit. But in addition,

1482
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 3: Attorney Love, I think.

1483
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 2: Just so you you're saying the evidence was there, but

1484
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:44,840
Speaker 2: Love just didn't well, I'll say the evidence was there.

1485
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:47,919
Speaker 3: I'll say that the story how it is being presented,

1486
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 3: it's just it's just how you delivered a timeline of

1487
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 3: and that's why you know, how about presentation styles because

1488
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 3: I argued about that towards the very end of the

1489
01:13:57,600 --> 01:13:59,560
Speaker 3: court case. It is the fact that some things that

1490
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 3: have to make make sense. You're going to tell a

1491
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 3: story and give us a blueprint. And that's one thing

1492
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:07,480
Speaker 3: that bron Still did is that he had a blueprint

1493
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:11,679
Speaker 3: and he can dissect and tell you, hey, this doesn't

1494
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 3: make any sense.

1495
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:14,479
Speaker 1: How can you be over here and this and it?

1496
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:18,479
Speaker 3: And then it just flowed, whereas that the state tried

1497
01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:21,000
Speaker 3: to mingle things together and then let you go on

1498
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:23,479
Speaker 3: your assumption. But then you go down into the reasonable

1499
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 3: doubt and you can't say that this could have happened,

1500
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:28,519
Speaker 3: but where's the proof?

1501
01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:31,280
Speaker 2: Yes, So that was that was a mistake for them

1502
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:33,719
Speaker 2: to always say, let the jury think what they want.

1503
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 1: It's correct. Well, hold on, now, your your job is

1504
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:38,679
Speaker 1: to present a case. Correct. You can't. You can't go

1505
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:39,719
Speaker 1: on buy an assumption.

1506
01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 3: Then you could lock somebody up and like the rest

1507
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:45,080
Speaker 3: of their life and ruin their whole entire life. And

1508
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:46,720
Speaker 3: that's the reason why I like, you know, go back

1509
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 3: to the education things. When when when folks were signing

1510
01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:51,559
Speaker 3: their name on the dotted line, you know, admitting to

1511
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:55,080
Speaker 3: certain things. Yeah, they might have you know, committed certain acts,

1512
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:57,559
Speaker 3: but at the same time the state owns them.