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Speaker 1: David Sirota joins us now. Great to see Youzar, Good

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Speaker 1: to see David. Good to see you all right, We

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Speaker 1: got a couple pieces we wanted to talk to you

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Speaker 1: about this week, but let's start with Democrats have made

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Speaker 1: this big pivot, So forget about all this like you know,

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Speaker 1: healthcare paid sickly, these economic things we were talking about before.

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Speaker 1: Now we're going to focus on voting rights with an

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Speaker 1: equally implausible path towards victory. It's sort of like doomed

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Speaker 1: to fail from the start. But you have a great

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Speaker 1: rights alone is not sufficient. It's headline, democracy alone will

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Speaker 1: not save Democrats. Voting rights without economic rights is not democracy.

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Speaker 1: It's theater, and most Americans know it. Elaborate on that, sure.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, democracy is valued in a society if

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Speaker 1: democracy is shown to actually deliver real material gains for

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Speaker 1: most voters. And I think over the course of many,

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Speaker 1: many decades, our democracy has been telling voters that, frankly,

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Speaker 1: that their vote doesn't really matter all that much, that

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Speaker 1: just simply does not reflect anything that voters actually want.

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Speaker 1: It does not deliver those things. And so the idea

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Speaker 1: aside their economic promises. I think fundamentally misunderstands, first of all,

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Speaker 1: how to win elections, but secondly, what will motivate people

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Speaker 1: have a democracy crisis in this country that's been going

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Speaker 1: have a democracy crisis where elections are bought, politicians are owned,

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Speaker 1: That's why many times elections don't seem to result in

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Speaker 1: delivering real material gains to people, Passing a fifteen dollars

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Speaker 1: minimum wage, passing various economic initiatives that you promised, extending

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Speaker 1: the child tax credit. These are just a couple of examples.

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Speaker 1: And in not doing that, and then in going out

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Speaker 1: about voting rights. Is that really going to motivate people

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Speaker 1: When you're showing people that them continuing to vote doesn't

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Speaker 1: why is democracy not delivering for me? Yeah, Well, I

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Speaker 1: always think about Barack Obama with his whole like don't

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Speaker 1: And throughout all of this, many many things remained the same,

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Speaker 1: continued to have this very similar levels of brokenness in

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Speaker 1: And that's not to say both parties are identical, but

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Speaker 1: not an amazing choice either way. How do you ultimately

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Speaker 1: pointing to here, Democracy in your vote is irrelevant when

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Speaker 1: He could use, for instance, the power at HHS to

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Speaker 1: And I would argue that they haven't even made that effort. Now.

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Speaker 1: fact that there's always a rotating villain, suggests the fix

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Speaker 1: already doomed. It really ends up saying to voters, this

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Speaker 1: it's an excellent point. You've got another piece, David, that

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Speaker 1: We got the business round it. We've got these statements

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Speaker 1: what is actually going on, David explained to us, when

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Speaker 1: There's one other piece of this that I think is

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Speaker 1: to worm their way into this civil case will give

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Speaker 1: us even more. Virginia Guffrey has accused a lot of

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Speaker 1: people for Alan Derschwitz, Prime Minister of Israel, many others

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Speaker 1: are participating in very illicted activity. And if we can

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Speaker 1: testify or at least get him to deny some things

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Speaker 1: on and off the record, there's a lot there's a

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Speaker 1: good chance we'll learn more from this than we did

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Speaker 1: from the Maxwell trial. It's said in this article the

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Speaker 1: queen wants them to try to settle out of court.

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Speaker 1: Of course, that there's questions over whether because Virginia Goofrice

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Speaker 1: seems like what she's really after hero is not my

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Speaker 1: host Justice. Yeah, I hope she does not settle, So

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Speaker 1: you know, it's it's a question mark whether she'd be

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Speaker 1: willing to do that at any amount, because you know,

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Speaker 1: I think she, certainly, from her her public comments, really

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Speaker 1: wants to see some transparency and truth and some level

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Speaker 1: of public accountability. So drag is ass Virginia drag. Indeed,

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Speaker 1: we will be watching, all right, all right, guys, thanks

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Speaker 1: for watching. We'll have more for you later