1 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk with bus Night. Well, welcome to the 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk podcast. 3 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 2: I'm your host, Buzznight, and I am thrilled with another 4 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 2: in our series of Nashville shows with someone who is 5 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 2: made and continues to make a little. 6 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: Bit of impact on music. 7 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 2: Row Carrie Edwards is the founder and president of management 8 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 2: firm KP Entertainment, and she manages the careers, among others, 9 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 2: of country stars. 10 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: Luke Bryan and Cole Swindle. And I'm so grateful to 11 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: be taking a Walk with Carrie. Carrie, thank you for 12 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: having us. 13 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 3: What an intro I get LA makes me overwhelmed just 14 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 3: here it and fut like that, to be honest, thank 15 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:45,279 Speaker 3: you for having me. 16 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 2: Well, do you have a sense of how important a 17 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 2: figure you are in the business to females in the 18 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 2: Nashville music workforce. 19 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 3: Well, that is a very good question, because I think 20 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 3: it really hit me in the last probably three or 21 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 3: four years, because I just put my head down and 22 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 3: go and do my deal, and I love what I 23 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 3: do and I love music, so honestly, I had never 24 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 3: really truly stopped and thought of it that way, but 25 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 3: then I started. Now that person that you walk in 26 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 3: in the room and you're looking around and people are like, hey, a, 27 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 3: But then I'm like, oh, no, I don't know who 28 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 3: that is. I've become that person, which makes me mad. 29 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 3: But it's also a compliment in my opinion, because I 30 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 3: remember doing that, you know, to people that I've looked 31 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 3: up to and admired and like followed what they did. 32 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 3: And the first few times that happened to me personally, 33 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 3: I mean, it did kind of freak me out in 34 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 3: the moment because I'm like. 35 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 4: I've always known everybody. I do not know who this is. 36 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 3: But then, you know, that's kind of how I put 37 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 3: it in perspective, and that's one of the things that 38 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 3: made me realize, like, oh gosh. And then and then 39 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 3: just like I do try to do stuff and trying 40 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 3: to do even more in the community and outreach and 41 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 3: doing some coffees and some sit down and you know, 42 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 3: with people that reach out and and just inquire and 43 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 3: say they have questions and they want to you know, 44 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 3: get to know me, and that kind of thing. 45 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 4: I try not to ignore those. 46 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 3: I think that's an important part of how we keep 47 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 3: this legacy going in general for country music, you know, 48 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 3: So I try to stop and look at that at times, 49 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 3: and that has helped me also be like, Okay. 50 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: You're being humble, You're being humble. 51 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 4: I'm being truthful. It really is how I look at it. 52 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, so what's the state in your mind of 53 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 2: females in the music industry in terms of leadership and 54 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 2: management from your perspective today, and how do you also 55 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 2: view the state of female artists in country music? 56 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 4: Right? 57 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 3: I think it's you know, that's obviously two separate questions, 58 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 3: but the first one being, you know, with our leadership 59 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 3: I do. 60 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 4: I am. 61 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 3: I'm proud for both actually at the artist level and 62 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 3: the executive level of when in this role. 63 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 4: But you know, I do. 64 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 3: Feel like when I first started, which I mean it's 65 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 3: I guess I technically have done management probably fifteen years. 66 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 3: I've worked with Luke Bryan for twenty, but in the 67 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 3: first part I've did more publishing in some other areas 68 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 3: of the business. But when I truly stepped in the 69 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 3: management thing, I mean, there was there was probably two 70 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 3: or three women period that were even doing that, and 71 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 3: then even management, it wasn't even just about the women. 72 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:32,239 Speaker 3: I feel like there weren't. There are many more managers 73 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 3: in general now than there was then. Male or female, 74 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 3: because I feel like back then, when I look back 75 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 3: at it, there was probably you know, ten or so 76 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 3: that and those people managed everybody you know, and men 77 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 3: and women you know so But now I feel there's 78 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 3: a lot more diversity even in the day to day 79 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 3: management roles in general, and I feel there's a lot 80 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 3: more people out there doing it and that doors have 81 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 3: opened for them in general. 82 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 2: But there's many to day managers. 83 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 4: Then, I don't not really that I remember. 84 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 3: I mean I worked at a record label for like 85 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 3: seven years, but you had a manager, and you had 86 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 3: a team at the management companies, but I don't know 87 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 3: if they were there. Just seemed to be a lot 88 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,799 Speaker 3: more day to days and management and like different tiers 89 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 3: than there was then, which I think is a good 90 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 3: thing for our industry now. 91 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:28,799 Speaker 2: So the trials and tribulations though, as a female working 92 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 2: your way through, were there ever these dark moments where 93 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,919 Speaker 2: you didn't necessarily have someone to go ask advice for 94 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 2: as you were trying to work your way through the business. 95 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 4: I mean, yes, I didn't. I think I had, but 96 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 4: I had men that were there that stepped up to 97 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 4: if I ever had a question. I had a handful. 98 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 3: I mean Marion Craft was always an amazing you know, 99 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 3: female leader for management side for me, even from the 100 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 3: very beginning. I mean I took her to lunch immediately 101 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 3: when I was even considering doing this, when I considered it, 102 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 3: and probably wasn't really ready for the role or even 103 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 3: understood what the role really was going to be about 104 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 3: at that time. But I believed in my artists and 105 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 3: I believed in what they were trying to do, so I, 106 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 3: you know, I didn't let that completely stop me because 107 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 3: I did see something in referring to Luke Brian, did 108 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 3: see something in him that I knew that I had 109 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 3: to just figure out. And there were definitely hiccups along 110 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 3: the way that made me stop and go, oh my gosh, 111 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 3: you do have so much more to learn, you know, 112 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 3: But I also was determined to not fail him. 113 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 2: But is the treatment of females the way it should 114 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 2: be these days in the business. 115 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 4: I just think that's a personal opinion, Like I don't 116 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 4: feel like it has put up walls for me personally. Now. 117 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 3: Are there walls, Yes, there's walls not I mean in 118 00:05:57,880 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 3: our industry, in many industries. 119 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 4: I don't think it's just about the music industry. But 120 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 4: I don't. I don't think. 121 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 3: I think you can let that block your mind and 122 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 3: block your drive or you just keep freaking doing it. 123 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 4: And I just kept freaking trying to figure it out 124 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 4: and doing it, you know. 125 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 3: But I mean I had a few examply even, but 126 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 3: you know, then female executives. You know, there was Connie 127 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 3: Bradley at ASCAB. There was Donna Hilly at Sony because 128 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 3: that was. 129 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 4: My world a little bit more. 130 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 3: My world was publishing and that side of things when 131 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 3: I first got into it, you know, but they were 132 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 3: some of the few. There was another publishing lady that 133 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 3: was amazing, Karing Conrad in the business. 134 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 4: You know, there there was definitely a handful of those leaders. 135 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 3: But you know, at that time, as far as like 136 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 3: label heads and that thing, you know, it was definitely 137 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 3: more men driven for sure. 138 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 4: But I didn't feel like I don't ever feel like 139 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 4: I stopped and went, oh, they're not letting me do 140 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 4: that because I'm a female. I never, I never, I 141 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 4: really never did view it that way. 142 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: You just plow ahead. 143 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 3: I plowed and ripped, and I rumbled and tumbled and fell. 144 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 3: Sounds like maybe so I'm not sure he would go so. 145 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 2: Well, but you know it could work, work putting the 146 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 2: magic somehow, right. 147 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you know, I do. 148 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 3: I think there's been an amazing growth and awareness for 149 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 3: all of us. 150 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 4: You know, And I do think it does. 151 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 3: It has turned the corner, and it has you know, 152 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 3: we have a long way to go, of course, But again, 153 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 3: I don't think it's just about country music industry. 154 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 4: I think it's just as a whole, you know, And 155 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 4: I do. 156 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 3: Think that that there's been a lot of focus on it, 157 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 3: you know, and change and we'll keep changing hopefully. 158 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: So you've been with this guy, what's his name, Luke 159 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: bill in Brian. I'm sorry, I see Luke Bryant. 160 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 4: We've gotten that before to worry. 161 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: You've been with this gentleman a few years? 162 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 4: Yes, and what a ride. It's actually weird to say 163 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 4: out loud how long that's been. 164 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: How many years? 165 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 3: I mean, we're going on twenty when I first met 166 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 3: him again, I started with him in the publishing world 167 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 3: and was helping him books on rights and do that 168 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 3: side of things. So he had an artist thing happening, 169 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 3: but he didn't have a record deal already of that 170 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 3: when we first met, so I count those years. So 171 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 3: that's like you know, I was still working with him 172 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 3: and doing stuff, So there was probably five years of 173 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 3: that before like it was like an official handshake you 174 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 3: should be my manager moment thing. 175 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: So what was that first moment when you guys met where? Yeah, 176 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 1: who was at the publishing it. 177 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 3: Was he had gotten signed, He had just moved to town. 178 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 3: He got signed to a writing deal pretty quickly compared 179 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 3: to a lot of people. I think he just kind 180 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 3: of met the right people at the right time and 181 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 3: he got a writing deal. And then I was hired 182 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,599 Speaker 3: at that company to be like a creative director, to 183 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 3: like to pitch the songs and work on combining songwriting 184 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 3: opportunities with other writers and that side of things. 185 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 4: So I met him. 186 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 3: It was called Murra Music and Roger Murra was the 187 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 3: owner of that company, Hall of Fame songwriter, and I 188 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 3: got hired to work there, and that's kind of where 189 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 3: we first mean met I remember meeting him in the 190 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 3: kitchen of that buildings. 191 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 4: It was a house on music room. 192 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,479 Speaker 1: And what was that first encounter, Like, I mean, and what's. 193 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 4: Very Luke Verry Luke like, because he's very you know, 194 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 4: engaging and loud and like you're not gonna you know 195 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 4: when but I mean that was being walked around the 196 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 4: building to like meet everybody. 197 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 3: But you know, I don't know why I remember that 198 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 3: being in the kitchen, but for some reason I do. 199 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 2: I mean, I was fortunate, thanks to you and Luke 200 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 2: and your team, to be at one of those famous. 201 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: Super Bowl parties, and yes, thank you. It's one of 202 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: the best experiences. But you're not going to escape the 203 00:09:58,080 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: presence of Luke. 204 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 4: You're not. No, he can't help himself. 205 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: But it's like it's so great. 206 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 2: It's like this immediate like, oh my god, this guy's 207 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 2: not only an unbelievable performer, but it's a pretty freaking 208 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 2: cool guy too. 209 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 3: He is he's and he really is that the guy 210 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 3: I met in the kitchen. It's the same guy. 211 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 4: He really is the same guy. I can't explain it, Like, 212 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 4: how does that happen? 213 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 3: It hasn't affected him in a way that's you know, 214 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 3: I guess what gross, I don't know what the word is, but. 215 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 4: I think, you know, between his family and just different. 216 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 3: People in his life, it's like, you know, I think 217 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 3: your face kept it pretty real too, yeah. 218 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: Keep it level. 219 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, But isn't that a function of the authenticity 220 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 2: of Nashville. 221 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 4: Also, I think so I love Nashville. I love our people. 222 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 4: I mean it's real good, Yeah, it's real. I'm glad. 223 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 4: I'm glad I ended up here. 224 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: Where would you have ended up if you didn't end 225 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: up here. You're from West Virginia, You're. 226 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 4: From West Virginia. I probably would still be in West Virginia. 227 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 3: I mean, truthfully, yeah, my parents kicked me out the 228 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 3: curve to go explore life. 229 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: What would you be doing if you weren't doing this? 230 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:11,199 Speaker 4: I really don't know. 231 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 3: I mean I initially I thought I was going to 232 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:14,559 Speaker 3: be a school teacher. 233 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 4: Oh it had been horrible. I love school teachers. But 234 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 4: for me personally, I would have been like, oh, so yeah, 235 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 4: do you. 236 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 1: Ever stop and think and go like what has happened? Wow? 237 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 3: I mean it's funny you say that because yesterday when 238 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 3: of my employees was having a birthday, and you know, 239 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 3: we try to post on our social media in some 240 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,199 Speaker 3: of these birthdays. Since I was I was in the 241 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 3: studio with another artist, but in the meantime, I was 242 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 3: trying to scroll to find some photos, you know, just 243 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 3: like send in to post. And when I was scrolling, 244 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 3: I stopped and another person that works with me. Was 245 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 3: at the studio doing content, and I looked at him 246 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 3: and I went, oh, my gosh, sometimes I don't it's 247 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 3: just hitting me right now as I'm scrolling these pots, 248 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 3: how much happens in my life in a week's time, 249 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 3: And it like I was so grateful in that moment of. 250 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 4: Like wow, like scrolling through here. We've done a festival 251 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 4: in Mexico, We've done a farm tour, We've done Vegas shows, 252 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 4: We've done you know, Cole's done that. I mean, like 253 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 4: it's just it's crazy to like think about. It's really 254 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 4: it's really a blessing, but it's. 255 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 3: And then you know, then I'm scrolling to get my 256 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 3: kids going to both of them going off to college 257 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 3: and leaving me. Like all this has happened in the 258 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 3: last ten months. It's like a lot. It's overwhelming in 259 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,199 Speaker 3: a great way though. I mean, we've signed songwriters, we've 260 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 3: done I mean, it's crazy to look at your content. 261 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 3: Have you ever done that, like scrolled through your photos 262 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 3: and just been like. 263 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I sort of go, you know what happened for 264 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 2: these three weeks? 265 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 4: It was a blank Yeah, I just know that's I 266 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 4: don't believe that. 267 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: So the story of Coal is pretty incredible. 268 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 4: Yuess. 269 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: He was a merchandising right he was. 270 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 4: He He and Luke met. 271 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 3: They had gone to the same college and we're actually 272 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 3: in the same fraternity. 273 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 4: Luke was a few years ahead of him. 274 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 3: But when Luke would go back to play for at parties, 275 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 3: Cole would show up, you know, and he was just 276 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 3: super intrigued by that Luke did that, and he asked 277 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 3: a lot of questions. And I'm telling their version of 278 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 3: the story. I wasn't there at that time, but but 279 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 3: you know, Luke just says he was always asking questions 280 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 3: and like just intrigued by, you know, everything I was doing. 281 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 3: And and Cole will tell this too, like I think 282 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 3: it was I don't know what year it was, but 283 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 3: Luke was doing a party and Luke got excited, was like, hey, 284 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 3: I wrote this song. And Cole tells the version of 285 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 3: like that was the first time I made a hit, 286 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 3: Cole that you could write the songs, you know, because 287 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 3: he would always do like Cole would go out and 288 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 3: do some little club stuff, him and this other guy, 289 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:53,079 Speaker 3: but like they would do covers of course, so Cole says, 290 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 3: it never occurred to me that I should figure out 291 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 3: how to write my own songs until Luke was saying 292 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 3: that that day. So they go super way back and 293 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 3: Luke just really wanted to Cole just became more and 294 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 3: more serious about it, and Luke wanted to try to 295 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 3: help him. So Luke calls me one day and just says, hey, 296 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 3: you know that cold guy, And I'm like, yeah, he 297 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 3: goes because Cole would show up at the shows, like 298 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 3: even past the fraternity stuff. He would come to La 299 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 3: these you know, we had a bar in Atlanta, Peachtree 300 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 3: Tavern in just different places, and he would always come 301 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 3: to him. 302 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 4: It was drivable. 303 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 3: Cole would be there like always, and so I kind 304 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 3: of knew him even then, you know, at that point, 305 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 3: but you know, he said he wants to move to town. 306 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 3: Do you have a job for him? And I mean 307 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 3: I've told the story before, but I always laughed because 308 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 3: I was like, no, I mean, first of all, I'm 309 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 3: not sure I've ever gotten paid yet, Like so I 310 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 3: don't know I'm supposed to beay somebody else. So Luke's 311 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 3: like okay, and he hangs up, and then it hit 312 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 3: me later, like I mean pretty maybe thirty minutes after that, 313 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 3: I'm like I called him back, we do need somebody 314 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 3: to sell your t shirts when we go out on 315 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 3: the you know this next time, and we were literally 316 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 3: about to leave and Luke call. He got excited because 317 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 3: I'll call you back, and he hangs up and calls him, 318 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 3: and cole got in his car and to rub up 319 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 3: that day and he was with. 320 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 4: Us from then on out and then a grade. It 321 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 4: was so great, you know. 322 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 3: But you know, to give cole Way credit that he deserves, 323 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 3: I mean he took that, you know, I mean he 324 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 3: took that job and he did the job of selling shirts, 325 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 3: but he didn't just sell shirts. He learned so much 326 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 3: out there, you know, watching shows happen, and you know, 327 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 3: he would watch, you know, busses roll up in trucks 328 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 3: and load and I mean even then, I mean Luke, I. 329 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 4: Mean Luke didn't even have a hit then, you know. 330 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 3: So we're in who knows what fans and I remember, 331 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 3: you know, finally getting to take a bus one time, 332 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 3: and we got so excited. I think we were opening 333 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 3: for either either Brooks and dun or Dirk's trying to 334 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 3: remembr which one was the first bus moment. 335 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 4: But because it's always a big deal, I have a 336 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 4: photo of it. 337 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 3: Actually, whenever the first buss actually got to have it, it 338 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 3: was just for one night. 339 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 4: We didn't get he got taken away from us real 340 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 4: quick after that. 341 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 3: But my whole point of that is that Cole, you know, 342 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 3: he was doing more than selling the shirts. 343 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 4: He watched it all happen. 344 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 3: He watched shows, he watched interaction, he watched things that 345 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 3: worked and didn't work from the stage because he was 346 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 3: he was the only one at the. 347 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 4: Front of the stage that could actually watch the. 348 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 3: Show because he was set up facing the stage to 349 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 3: sell the shirts most of the time. So he got 350 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 3: all the he got all the fun stuff, you know, 351 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 3: he got to witness all of it, and the good 352 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 3: and bad, the fights, and all of it happened in bars. 353 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 2: But you are the example of someone who, through your career, 354 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 2: has really worked your way through every possible ladder, starting 355 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 2: as an intern and then working your way through through 356 00:16:55,040 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 2: that onto your next work within the publishing side and everything. 357 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 2: For someone who is maybe listening to this, who is 358 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 2: considering this business or any business, what advice would you 359 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 2: give him? 360 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: A worker in your way through every ladder, so. 361 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 3: You learn a lot well, I truly feel like I 362 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 3: looked back at those and I was truly just as 363 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 3: excited about being able to be an intern once I 364 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 3: realized what interning in the music industry. I walked into 365 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 3: that building. My first internship was Arista Records. I walked 366 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 3: into that. I did not know what it even meant. 367 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 3: I did not know what I was walking in to do. 368 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 3: I met a lady named Denise Nichols, who did radio 369 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 3: promotions at the time, at a show in West Virginia, 370 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 3: and that's truly how I even got the internship. 371 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 4: I did not even know what it meant. I walked 372 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 4: in there, going, I'm interning here. I don't know what 373 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 4: I'm to be doing even but the minute I walked 374 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 4: into that building and at Arista Records at the time 375 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 4: time wasn't hadn't been around that long. 376 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, the history is Brooks and Done, 377 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 3: Pam Tilla's Diamond Rio, Alan Jackson. I mean, it was 378 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 3: pretty an amazing building to walk in on and immediately 379 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 3: learn the process from, you know. I mean, it still 380 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 3: blows my mind that I ever got to be a 381 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 3: part of that. 382 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 4: But I was hooked immediately. I was sitting there watching 383 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 4: all this stuff. The office was probably under twenty people, 384 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 4: so you kind of heard and saw it all even 385 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 4: when you weren't supposed to, you know, because we were 386 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,640 Speaker 4: kind of in a tight little half of a hallway 387 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 4: of offices, and I was under Tim Dubois ran Arista Records. 388 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 3: And Mike Dungan. There was a guy, Alan Butler. He 389 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 3: was very well known in the industry then, and that 390 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 3: I mean just the fact that I learned from those 391 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 3: people who were great. 392 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 4: At their jobs, but they were just great people. 393 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 3: And at the end of the day, I just think 394 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 3: being a great person is I mean, you can win 395 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 3: tenfold in my opinion, you know, approaching it that way. 396 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 3: But going back to your original question about advice, I mean, 397 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 3: I just try to encourage people to like just be 398 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,679 Speaker 3: patient with it all because it I feel like in 399 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:20,439 Speaker 3: our rushed and more and more society of everything happening 400 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 3: in the second and you're tired of it here and 401 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 3: you got to move on and all that, But like 402 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 3: if you could just stop, and like I remember telling 403 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 3: a friend that moved here and got in the business 404 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 3: and they got a great job in publishing, but then 405 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 3: immediately was getting another offer within months to go to 406 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 3: a different publisher and then. 407 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 4: Next thing, I know, that guy was calling me back. 408 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 4: He's like, hey, this label reached out. 409 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:44,400 Speaker 3: I mean, this all was happening within like a two 410 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 3: year period, and I finally just stopped and I said, hey, 411 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 3: I said, at some point, you have to stay somewhere 412 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 3: where you can make a difference. You're moving around too fast. 413 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 3: Don't chase the money. Do not chase the money. Stay 414 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 3: so where and make some difference and then move because 415 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,360 Speaker 3: then you'll be even worth more because you've already made 416 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 3: an imprint on something somewhere else. So that's kind of 417 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,880 Speaker 3: advice I guess for me right now, a little thing 418 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 3: that I've been on in my little head. 419 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 4: Of I guess this younger generation of like, hey, don't 420 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 4: just be patient. It's going to happen. It's going to. 421 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 3: Happen if you work for it. It can just go 422 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:23,199 Speaker 3: fall in your life. You still have to work for it. 423 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: So you're managing brands. 424 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:33,120 Speaker 2: You're managing certainly a brand in Luke Bryan, what are 425 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:37,360 Speaker 2: your sort of core principles about managing a brand when 426 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 2: you look for opportunities, collaborations, partnerships. 427 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 3: Well, I really have always tried to keep it real 428 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 3: and authentic to that specific artists, because I really think 429 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 3: that you can see through it when it's not And 430 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 3: I just think that, and I think our audience is 431 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 3: smarter than we think sometimes and they, you know, they, 432 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 3: I mean, they can tell when things are being posted 433 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 3: from the person directly and not, you know, So do 434 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 3: you just kind of own. 435 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 4: That it's not and go ahead and say it, you know, 436 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 4: or do you you know? 437 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 3: So it's just that, but when you're not picking partnerships, 438 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 3: you know, I really do think that. Like for instance, 439 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 3: I think right before you came in, we were talking 440 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 3: about Lucas launching a Jockey with Jockey, Jockey Outdoors like 441 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 3: a clothing brand with them, and it truly just made 442 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 3: sense because Luke is a very known outdoorsman. I mean 443 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 3: that was a given. You know, we have aligned with 444 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 3: Jockey on some other pieces with Luke, and just realize, 445 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 3: you know, just their values as a company and their 446 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 3: family owned and they're very they're just just what they 447 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 3: stand for as a whole, and you know, kind of 448 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 3: that Middle America thing and the whole all of it, 449 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 3: the Heartland, like all of it just felt like it 450 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 3: fit perfectly and it wasn't a stretch. 451 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 4: You know. 452 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 3: Then we get into the business of you go into 453 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 3: this whole process of your meeting with him, You're you're 454 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 3: looking at the product you're I mean, I mean he 455 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 3: and I we were touching and feeling it and like, no, 456 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 3: I don't like that design and you know, let's try that, 457 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 3: and you're like in it, and I mean I want 458 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 3: to be in it. Like if his name's going to 459 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 3: be on it, he needs to be in it. And 460 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 3: I think he views it that way too, you know. 461 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 3: I mean he takes that stuff seriously. And you know, 462 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 3: you walked out of that and I mean I remember 463 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 3: the first time we left that meeting with them, I 464 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 3: was just like, this is exciting because you know it's 465 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 3: it's really like you're putting your your name on something 466 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 3: that you can walk away and be proud of, you know. 467 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 4: And I think you got to do that on all 468 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 4: these pieces. I mean, you could take it for the money, 469 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 4: but I think you know initially that eventually that'll not 470 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 4: go so well for you. 471 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:58,360 Speaker 2: So the ear of hearing a hit when you when 472 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 2: you hear something, when you hear. 473 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 4: I'm clapping songs my favorite topic, you hear. 474 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 1: Hunting and fishing and yeah, loving every day? Did I 475 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: get the title. 476 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,360 Speaker 4: Right, well done. It's a mouthful. 477 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 2: Did you hear that immediately and go boom oh? 478 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 3: He Well, he was a writer on that, Luke being 479 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:27,639 Speaker 3: Luke Yes, because it I mean, I mean it. You 480 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 3: can't scream anything more authentic than that song for him. 481 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 3: I mean, he smiles all the time, he's loving every day. 482 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 3: He really does. He wakes up, he really has very 483 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 3: few bad days, which is a feat for anybody, you know. So, 484 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 3: I mean that title was it couldn't have been any 485 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 3: more perfect, but it also just had a message and 486 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 3: it also it did what it needed to do in 487 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 3: a song. 488 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 4: It wasn't just about the title, but you know it 489 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 4: did fit him. And I didn't know that one. I 490 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 4: mean there's I mean, you know, there's been stuff. 491 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 3: I mean when Cole walked in and you know, he 492 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 3: didn't even have a record deal when he came and 493 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 3: played me Chilling It, But he walked in. I knew 494 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 3: he wanted to. He'd been talking about pursuing the artist 495 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 3: thing again. And when he walked in and played that demo, 496 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 3: I mean, he and I we we actually were just 497 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 3: talking about this like four weeks ago and on a show. 498 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 3: But you know, he played that, and his take was 499 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 3: that I sat there with like my head down and 500 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 3: didn't really make any reaction, so he took it that 501 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 3: I hated it, and like he was so uncomfortable. I 502 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 3: think he was trying to run out the office. But 503 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 3: I didn't even realize I was doing that. I had 504 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,439 Speaker 3: my head down because in my brain so much stuff 505 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,880 Speaker 3: was going and I was thinking, oh my gosh, the 506 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 3: song is massive. And I turned it off and I 507 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,199 Speaker 3: was like wow, and he's like, well, I probably hyped it. 508 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 3: I probably it's you know, because he really thought I 509 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 3: didn't like it, and I just said cold stop. I'm like, 510 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 3: do you really want to do this artist thing? And 511 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 3: he goes, I do, and I'm like, well, then this 512 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 3: is the song. You know, this is the song. This 513 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 3: like in my opinion, like this. You know, it was 514 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 3: a game changing because it was different for it stood 515 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 3: out to me than anything else on the radio, and 516 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 3: that that was going on, not too far that I 517 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 3: didn't think it would work. It was just different enough 518 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 3: that I thought, I mean, I can take this song, 519 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 3: and I mean it did everything that we hoped it 520 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 3: would be doing when I heard it that day. But 521 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 3: you know, he had multiple record deals so it was 522 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,439 Speaker 3: a very different story than what I experienced with with 523 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 3: Luke because he wasn't getting offers for a record deal, 524 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 3: and we we plowed it that for a long like 525 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 3: a year or two, like doing showcases and like no 526 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 3: in Luke's world, nobody would say no, but nobody would 527 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 3: say yes. But with in that song and what it 528 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 3: started doing, and then XM started playing it, and then 529 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,679 Speaker 3: he had multiple record deals. So I was in like 530 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 3: it was night and day. Like I had never been 531 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,919 Speaker 3: in a position where I'm like, oh my gosh, now 532 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 3: I'm now we gotta choose. 533 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,640 Speaker 4: Who to pick, Like the other one was like somebody please, 534 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 4: you know. So it's just it's just funny how things happen. 535 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 2: Is there something though, that you feel when you hear 536 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 2: that song at that moment that it's this indescribable notion. 537 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 3: That it is, But it's really it is hard to describe, 538 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 3: Like I don't know how I would describe when somebody 539 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 3: sends a song to me that I feel like words 540 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 3: perfect for somebody that I'm working with. Hopefully you get 541 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 3: to a point with your artist if you're a song person, 542 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 3: not every manager that's not their thing. 543 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,160 Speaker 4: They may not be into that. You know, I'm crazy 544 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,399 Speaker 4: into that. It's like I. 545 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 3: Tell myself often and that if I get sent a 546 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 3: song and the moment I get sent a song and 547 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 3: it doesn't do what it does to me right now, 548 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 3: then that means I need to to, you know, pack 549 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 3: it up. I mean, in my opinion for me personally, 550 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 3: like I don't like it when I lose that, and 551 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,679 Speaker 3: maybe I never do. I hope I never do, but 552 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 3: if that ever happens, that would be my cue to 553 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 3: be like, all right, you're burnout. 554 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 4: You need to go do something else. It's true. 555 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 3: It's true, I mean, because it's easy to get burnout sometimes, 556 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:29,360 Speaker 3: you know. 557 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 2: But that keeps youing it, so yeah, in a good way, 558 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,360 Speaker 2: right to just sort of always be curious. 559 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 3: I got in the car, I think two weeks ago 560 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,679 Speaker 3: with my son and my husband and we were driving. 561 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 4: It was a Friday, and my son happened to be in. 562 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 3: Town for the weekend from school, and we were riding 563 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 3: to go eat and I went Gus, it. 564 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 4: Has been a good week, and they're like, why what 565 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 4: do you mean. I'm like, I. 566 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,919 Speaker 3: Found four songs this week, four in one week, that 567 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 3: I loved, and that's that's happened not often. 568 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 4: I'm like so, and then I made them listen to 569 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 4: them all weekend. They're like, Okay, we get it. You 570 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 4: love this. 571 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 2: But I'm getting talking about this because it really is, 572 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 2: you know, backing up the joy of what music is, right. 573 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 2: I mean, can you describe what music does to people? 574 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 3: I think it's all the things right they what was 575 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 3: the same for a while, all the fields that was 576 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 3: hot saying a few years ago. But I just think 577 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 3: it depends on the song and the mood and the person. 578 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, what a song could do for 579 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 3: me might do something different for you, you know, truthfully. 580 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 4: But I mean, but the couch are sitting on When 581 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 4: I got sent Sunrise, Sunburn, Sunset Repeat, I was jumping 582 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 4: on that couch and I played it over and over 583 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 4: in my office probably ten times. I had to call 584 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 4: every one of the writers. 585 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 3: They were like, oh, and and I was trying to 586 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 3: get it to Luke, but he was at a family 587 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 3: dinner and he went to answering me, and I was 588 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 3: losing my mind. And then I was like, I'm like, 589 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 3: you have got to answer your phone. 590 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 4: And then he called. He's like, what is wrong with you? 591 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 4: I'm trying to eat. 592 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 3: Dinner and I'm like, Okay, when you're done, go listen 593 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 3: when I see you immediately, So those moments are so amazing. 594 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: It's such joy. 595 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,479 Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I mean Dylan Scott. 596 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 3: I work with him as well on He's on Curb 597 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 3: and he I mean two nights ago. Well, no, I'm sorry, 598 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 3: it was last Thursday because I went on the road 599 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 3: with him to go see a show and he jumped 600 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 3: on the bus. He's like, I wrote a song last night, 601 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 3: and I'm like, what are you waiting on? But she 602 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 3: would have listened now with well, yeah, that's just the 603 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 3: best part. 604 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 4: It is, it is, it's so fun. 605 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 1: So what's the roadmap for KP in the next three years? 606 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 2: What do you What are you set in your sights 607 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 2: on that you could share? 608 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 4: Well, I have. 609 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 3: I was fortunate enough to sign. I have a lot 610 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 3: of sites. I have a lot of little goals I 611 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 3: guess for myself. But we'll pick a couple and talk about. 612 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 3: But there's I was assigned a guy named Chase Beckham. 613 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 3: He won American Idol two years ago, and Luke is 614 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 3: a judge on American Idol, so I watch a lot 615 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 3: of American Idol. I we're at all the auditions and 616 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 3: the tapings, and it's I mean, Luke and Katie and 617 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 3: Lyne on Ryan put in a lot of work. 618 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 4: They really do. 619 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 3: It's like more than I ever ever understood was going 620 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 3: to go into a show like that. 621 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 4: But they take it seriously. They work hard. 622 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 3: You know, I watch you know, I'm talking hundreds of 623 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 3: kids come through there and I'm watching their whole audition 624 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 3: and stuff that's not even shown on TV, you know, 625 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 3: like a lot of stuff. But I guess it was 626 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 3: season three or four for Luke and he and Chase 627 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 3: was on there, and I don't know, there was just 628 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 3: something about him the whole time that I couldn't stop 629 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 3: being intrigued about. And we are not like it's very separated. 630 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 3: I mean, as as a manager, I'm in a room 631 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 3: and I'm watching TV monitors. I'm not interacting with the 632 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 3: contestants anyway, and the judges really kind of are in 633 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 3: the moment, but they're not either, Like I mean, they 634 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 3: keep it you know, you can't show partiality in any way, 635 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 3: and they don't want to ever sway anything, so they're 636 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 3: very you know, they do that purposely. 637 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 4: But with him, I just like the whole season I 638 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 4: just kept commenting and like. 639 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 3: Oh, this and that in this song, Oh my gosh, 640 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 3: you wrote that song of himself, and like it's awesome, 641 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 3: and you'd like and that it was over and it's over, 642 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 3: and we come back to Nashville and you kind of 643 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 3: wait and decide are you going to do another season 644 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 3: of it or not? But his stepdad called me, found 645 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 3: my number and called and just said, hey, you know, 646 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 3: would you ever consider taking a meeting with him? And again, 647 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 3: you know, I mean, for a minute, I kind of stopped. 648 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 3: I'm like, am I allowed to do that? 649 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 4: You know? 650 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 3: I really wasn't sure. I didn't know if there were rules. 651 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 3: I mean, no one ever told me there was rules 652 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 3: or anything to any of that. But also was just 653 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 3: wanting to be careful about it, you know. And so 654 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 3: I met. I did a couple of calls with him, 655 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 3: and then he came into Nashville. He was about to 656 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 3: move here, and he's from southern California, and he came 657 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 3: came here and I took him and we did a 658 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 3: couple of meals, and I'm like, oh my gosh, I 659 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 3: mean I truly felt like I was at a point 660 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 3: where I probably didn't need to sign another artist, but 661 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 3: I couldn't walk away from him. There's just he I'm 662 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 3: so excited about him as an artist. His voice is amazing. 663 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 3: His songwriting blows my mind because he had never even 664 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 3: co written a song until like a year and a 665 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 3: half ago, and he moved here and. 666 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 4: Like he is crushing it, like what he sends me 667 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 4: a song. 668 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 3: Another another one saying it's always about the song for me, 669 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 3: I always ended up going back there, but it's true, 670 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 3: like he has just really blown me away for as 671 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 3: little as he's been a little time as he's been 672 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 3: doing it. So my whole point of that, in a 673 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 3: very very long way of answering that, is that I 674 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 3: am crazy excited about him and getting him to a 675 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 3: next level kind of deal, and I refuse to lose 676 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 3: on that. I'm going to end on getting the world 677 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 3: to know him even more than they do. So so 678 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 3: look out for that. Dylan Scott, who I mentioned, you 679 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 3: know a little bit ago. He I think we started 680 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,719 Speaker 3: working together two years ago. So we've worked two songs 681 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 3: to radio so far. Luckily knock on wood, they've both 682 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 3: been number one, so I didn't get fired yet, so 683 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 3: that's good. 684 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 4: But he has been just a great, well. 685 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 3: Rounded, Like I really think he's like this little hidden 686 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 3: jewel that people are about to really really figure out. 687 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 3: Like on stage, he is great, he is entertaining, he 688 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 3: does all the things on stage, and then his music 689 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 3: that he just put out a few months ago is 690 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,959 Speaker 3: just I mean streams and it's it's clicking. So it's 691 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 3: I was on a mission with him too, because I 692 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 3: do think he was, and even for me, like I 693 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 3: knew who he was and he'd had a couple of hits, 694 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 3: but I didn't know enough about him until I started 695 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 3: working with him. And now I'm like, all right, we 696 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,279 Speaker 3: got to raise we gotta raise the profile on this 697 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 3: guy because he is the he's the deal. 698 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 4: So that's a pretty mind my you know, not. 699 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 3: To leave out anybody else obviously that I'm doing stuff with, 700 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 3: But those are some personal missions for sure. Yeah, yeah, 701 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 3: they are every day they really are. I mean, like, 702 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 3: but there's a lot of pressure. I'm like, gosh, people's 703 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 3: livelihood is in your hands. 704 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 4: It's stressful. It's stressful. 705 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:41,239 Speaker 1: How do you deal with that? 706 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 3: I truly try to. I don't balance well, like personal 707 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 3: life and work life. I'm terrible. Luckily, I have like 708 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 3: really awesome kids and husband said that it hit me 709 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:56,800 Speaker 3: out the window. 710 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,360 Speaker 4: Yet I don't know. 711 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 3: They really have been amazing because I can't I can't 712 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 3: ever shake it. 713 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 4: I can't like I try to relax, and I suck 714 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,320 Speaker 4: at it. It's terrible. It's terrible. 715 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 3: I don't know's I'm somehow eat up with it. 716 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 4: I don't know. 717 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,279 Speaker 2: You said to me about being on the podcast, Well, 718 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:18,399 Speaker 2: I hope I don't suck. 719 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:19,439 Speaker 1: Will you suck? 720 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 4: Thanks? 721 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,720 Speaker 2: And you don't suck at the rest of it, And 722 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:23,839 Speaker 2: it's a joy to be with. 723 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:25,880 Speaker 1: You need to taking a walk podcast. 724 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,839 Speaker 4: Thank you for having me. It means a lot. 725 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 1: Thank you. 726 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 2: Taking a Walk with Buzznight is available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, 727 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,359 Speaker 2: or wherever you get your podcasts.