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The verdict has just been read 11 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: by Judge Peter Kahl in Minneapolis, Minnesota, in the trial 12 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: against Derek Chauvin, of course accused three charges and he 13 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: was found guilty on all three charges of second degree 14 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: third degree in manslaughter in the death of George Floyd. 15 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: The Judge Cahill thanking the jury for what he said, 16 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: heavy duty service, heavy duty jury service. At the same time, 17 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: I just want to for our radio audience, Derek Chauvin 18 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: uh sitting in the courtroom, of course with his defense 19 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: lawyer with a mask as we are all, of course 20 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: still dealing with the pandemic, but listening um rather quietly, 21 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 1: rather calmly, as the judge did read those verdicts. All right, 22 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: you're listening to Bloomberg Bloomberg Radio here. I do want 23 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 1: to bring in, uh, Bloomberg News legal analyst June Grosso, 24 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: so June all three charges he was found guilty. You know, 25 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: even though we talked about this being a possibility still, 26 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 1: to hear them say guilty time after time, it's it's 27 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: sort of takes you back. You Uh, it's something that 28 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: you know, especially when you're in a courtroom. Hearing that 29 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: is just something that sends shock waves through you. But 30 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: you can imagine Derek Chauvin hearing that. Now. I watched 31 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: and you can't tell that much because he had a 32 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: mask on, but he didn't make He just kept looking 33 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: at the judge. He didn't make any motion at all. 34 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: He didn't you know, may have blinked his eyes, but 35 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 1: that's about it. So he was prepared for this verdict 36 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: in some way. I think, probably as we talked about 37 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: before the fact that it came back so fast, his 38 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 1: defense attorney probably told him, you know what to expect, 39 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: and once you hear the first verdict, because I start 40 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: with the most serious charge. Once you heard the guilty 41 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: on that, it seemed like it would be like dominoes 42 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 1: after that. I agree. I totally agreed Eric Chauvin. We 43 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: do want to just give kind of the visual here. 44 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,959 Speaker 1: He has been taken from the courtroom, already taken away 45 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: in handcuffs. I'm here with June Grosso and also Jeannie 46 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: Shawn Zano and Rick Davis a Bloomberg sound on. But 47 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: I do want to bring in Kristo Gorshek. She is 48 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 1: former public defender and Kurt managing partner at Greshk Law 49 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: and joining us here on the phone. Krista, all three 50 00:02:56,240 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: charges found guilty. What are your thoughts here following this verdict? Well, Um, 51 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: I agree with June. Um. You know, hearing the word 52 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: guilty three times start, it takes your breath a very 53 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: especially when you appreciate the gravity of the situation, not 54 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: just the viewpoint of the citizens in Minneapolis, but also 55 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: really across the world. Right, Um, know that there's been 56 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: a number of police officers, Um, who have caused death 57 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 1: in the line of duty, and and sometimes they haven't 58 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: even been charged. And we know others have been charged, 59 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: and most have been acquitted. Um, So this is quite 60 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: a monumentous verdict. UM. I had told my staff here 61 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: check Claw that if it was a fast verdict, it 62 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: was really one way or the other. Right, it was 63 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: either a fast guilty or was a fast not guilty. Right. 64 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: And in my experience as a practicing trial tory UM 65 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: and I litigated a fair nom from through. When I 66 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: see a fast on my case, wine and well, I 67 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: know what I don't knew we want um. And so 68 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: especially in the case like this, there's just so many 69 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 1: different legal theories and there was a lot to understand. 70 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 1: If they were going to come back quickly UM, to me, 71 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: it was a sign that it was likely to be 72 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: a guilty verdict on all three. And I also agree 73 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: with you if they found Um that he was guilty 74 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: of murder to the other charts, tomn go down like dominoes. Yeah. 75 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: And it's it's interesting just to even watch social media 76 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 1: here that so many people weighing in UH. And there 77 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: does seem to be a little bit of a sigh 78 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: of relief UH. Certainly across the country, across the world, 79 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: there are shots being shown. Let me UM remind everyone 80 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 1: that of course we did get the verdict and the 81 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: trial of Derek Chauvin, the former Minneapolis police officer, of course, 82 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 1: who knelt on George Floyd's neck. He was found guilty 83 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: on all three accounts, second and third degree murder, also 84 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: man slaughter. We are expecting to hear from the Minnesota 85 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: Attorney General and we will take you there as soon 86 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: as they begin speaking. President Joe Biden is also expected 87 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: to make some comments as well, and we'll also bring 88 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 1: those to you as well. I do think and I 89 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 1: want to bring back in Rick Davis, uh, political contributor 90 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 1: to us here at Bloomberg News, has worked on the 91 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: campaign of John McCain. So, Rick, I do wonder politically, 92 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 1: what do we need to get from our leaders right 93 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: now following this verdict? You know, it's uh, it's it's 94 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: almost the best possible political outcome if you're a political leader, because, uh, 95 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: if it had been anything other than guilty on all 96 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 1: three counts, the question would have arisd, what are we 97 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: gonna wake up to tomorrow? You know? Will there be riots? 98 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: Will there be disorderly activity, especially in urban areas? We 99 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: saw the National Guard was called out in in Minneapolis. 100 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: The Hennepin County Center was completely surrounded, boarded up. So 101 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 1: I think that this this will be, you know, everyone's 102 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: opportunity to take a step back contemplate what kind of 103 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: reforms are needed. I'm sure we'll start to hear from 104 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 1: political leaders like the attorne in general and the President 105 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: about the need for police reform. Many states have already 106 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: acted based on the initial act of violence that occurred. 107 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: Um started reforming different elements of their police functions, which 108 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: is unusual because typically states don't get in the knickers 109 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: of of local police departments, and so you already see 110 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: a migration to something different. Will the left overreach and 111 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 1: start talking about defunding police and start that political debate again, 112 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: Yet to be seen, But right now we're hoping to 113 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: hear sort of pragmatic responses from our leaders. June Grosso, 114 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: come on in on this Bloomberg News legal analyst. In 115 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: terms of the sentencing guidelines, you talked about it earlier. 116 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,919 Speaker 1: Let's remind our audience what's at stake here for Derek's 117 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 1: oven and and my understanding. I'm just looking at some 118 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: things that are crossing here that it may be eight 119 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: weeks before we know the sentencing. But let's get from 120 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: you let's get your expertise, because this is your world. 121 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: I didn't hear him. I didn't hear the judge set 122 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: a date for sentencing. So before sentencing, even if it's 123 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: someone like a police officer that you know doesn't have 124 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: anything too bad in his in his background, they're going 125 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: to do UM. The parole office is going to do 126 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: different kinds of interviews and make a recommendation as far 127 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: as sentencing. If Minnesota is like most other states. Now, 128 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: as as we said before, you know, the second degree 129 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:40,119 Speaker 1: unintentional murder or the felony murder is supposed to carry 130 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: up to forty years, and the third degree up to 131 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: twenty five years, and the second degree up to ten 132 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: but the Minnesota sentencing guidelines recommend about twelve and a 133 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: half years in prison for each murder charge and four 134 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: years for the manslaughter charge. And the judge would also 135 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: decide to decide whether or not those are going to 136 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: run consecutively or that they're going to run concurrently. So 137 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: there's a lot on the judges plate right now as 138 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: far as sentencing. And also the prosecutors are seeking um 139 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: sentencing above the guideline range, so they're they're alleging that 140 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: they're aggravating factors, one being that he was a police 141 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: officer in the course of his duties, another being that 142 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: he was surrounded by a lot of children were watching this, 143 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: So there might there have to be a at the hearing. 144 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: I suspect that the sentencing here and you're going to 145 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: hear those and this is all going to be on 146 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: the judges plate, and it's going to be it's also 147 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: going to be a very political kind of you know, uh, 148 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 1: influence on what he's going to do. Is he going 149 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: to do what he would normally do with a with 150 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: a police officer who has been sentenced, or is he 151 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: going to do what what the you know, what the 152 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: activists and the the demand justice activists are asking for, 153 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: which I'm sure is a maximum sentence, right exactly. He 154 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,559 Speaker 1: just want to mention. Uh. We thought that maybe the 155 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,599 Speaker 1: President present Biden may make some comments. It is unclear 156 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: whether or not he will make comments on the verdict 157 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: in the case against Derek Chauvin. Um, Gennie, you know, 158 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: it's it's this is obviously a big deal, a very 159 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: big moment in time, and and a lot to think about. 160 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: There absolutely is and and I wanted to you know, 161 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: I'm curious and I wanted to ask Chris to this. 162 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 1: Is it likely that we hear from some of these jurors. 163 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: I I assume that it is up to them if 164 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: they want to speak publicly. But do you suspect we'll 165 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: hear how they came to this decision and what moved them. 166 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: I think that's definitely possible. Under the circumstances of UM 167 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 1: all three guilty verdicts. UH, it would have I think 168 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: very likely been the case where if they had found 169 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,839 Speaker 1: him not guilty or quitted him entirely, they wouldn't want 170 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: their identities to be known. Perhaps now with these verdicts 171 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: and place, they'll be willing to discuss, you know, what 172 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: mattered to them, what stood out to them, UM, what 173 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: seemed not makes sense to them, And ultimately how they 174 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: came to their verdict is entirely up to them. UM. 175 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: Judge Hill will likely tell them that that will be 176 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: their decision, UM, and he will leave that to them. 177 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,839 Speaker 1: Of course, I'm sure that our protude is in place 178 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: where if they don't wish to have it identities knowing 179 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: that they will be protected UM, and they will be 180 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: allowed to somehow get out of the courthouse without a 181 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: whole bunch of you know, I was wondering if you 182 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: could respond to questions about Judge Peter Covil. I mean 183 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 1: his comments, uh, telling the jury that they have just 184 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 1: gone through heavy duty jury duty and uh. And yet 185 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: in many high profile cases, the judge himself becomes quite 186 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: a controversial figure. What's your reaction to how Judge Covil 187 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: has handed this case. I think he's sensitive with regard 188 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: to the jury, for sure. And I and you know, 189 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: we thought early on he was getting text messages from 190 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: um retired judges who were telling him that the jury 191 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: spaces could be seen in the flexing, and they quickly 192 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: changed that. UM. I think that he has struck a 193 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: balance of letting this trial be public without compromising their 194 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: identities so as to not make the jury feel intimidated. 195 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: With regard to some of the other calls that he made, UM, 196 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: you know, at some point it seems that he made 197 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: calls for the defensively. On other times it seems like 198 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: he had made some culture the prostitution. And I think 199 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: if he added it all up, UM, he was actually 200 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 1: pretty fair to both sides as it went along. I 201 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: thought jud gave him allowing both sides a paramount of latitude, 202 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: whereas uh in day to day a regular practice, he 203 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: tends to be very nonsense, moves the cases along, will 204 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: sometimes interject himself into jury selection, will sometimes limit argument 205 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,559 Speaker 1: because he wants to keep things moving, um and get 206 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: right to the point. I think he gave both sides 207 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:06,439 Speaker 1: the ceremontal latitude that he might not although I client, 208 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 1: because this was a story and this was the situation 209 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: that demanded it, it is inquired that both sides have 210 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: an opportunity to say everything they needed to say for him, 211 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 1: for however long that they needed to say it. I mean, 212 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: we saw that in closing arguments even Yeah, the purity 213 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: was listen to interrupt a Nelson um and and that 214 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: would be more along the lines of what I know 215 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,079 Speaker 1: of Judge Hill. But I think he gave this case 216 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: the time and the space and the due process that 217 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 1: I deserved. You are listening to Bloomberg Radio right now. 218 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: We are doing live coverage of the verdict in the 219 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 1: killing of George Floyd. Derek chow In, the Firmer Minneapolis 220 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: police officer who knelt on George Floyd's neck for more 221 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: than nine minutes last mate convicted of second degree murder 222 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: in his what is described as a politically explosive trial. 223 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: We know that it was fifteen days of a trial, 224 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:00,719 Speaker 1: forty five witnesses, less than eleven, how ours, for the 225 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: jury to deliberate. There were three charges, uh, second, third 226 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: degree murder and manslaughter. We were just all talking with 227 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 1: our roundtable, a little chilling to hear the guilty verdicts 228 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: in each of those three charges. Specifically with me right 229 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: now is Bloomberg News Legal Alice June Grosso and also 230 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: the team on sound and sound on excuse me, Rick 231 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: Davis and Jeannie Shawn Zano. They are Bloomberg political contributors. 232 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 1: And we also have with us too right now, Krista 233 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: gore Sex, she's former public defend our current managing partner 234 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: Gorsk Law, and so Christia. I guess what I'm thinking 235 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: is it's not over. They're sentencing, but there's also an appeal. 236 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: As a former public defender. Is it just a case 237 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: that you appeal because you can legally or is it 238 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: that you do it because you think you can win 239 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: the second time around? How do you see it? Well, 240 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: appeals are always hard, right, Um? You know this last 241 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 1: success that the pelate courts, then there is at the 242 00:13:57,880 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: trial courts, and quite frankly before to be a try 243 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: lawyers and an appellate lawyer in part for that reason, um, 244 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: but but more so in part because of what unfolds 245 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: in the courtroom. But UM, Well, what I will say 246 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: here is that there appears to be a number of 247 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: different things that appeal excuse me, appeared to be appeal worthy. UM. 248 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: We know that there was a move for a change 249 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: of venue early on that was denied. There's an allegations 250 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: of prosecutorial misconduct of discovery coming in lage are coming 251 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: in uh and repreted to hun because the new items 252 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: kind of buried at the bottom. We know that the 253 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: settlement that the family reached during jury selection, certainly UM 254 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: was a significant concern of the defense. There was offsite 255 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: in the shot and killed an aftern American man in 256 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: Brooklyn Center in the middle of the trial, and true 257 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: proplusted for they about that. We know that UM very 258 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: prominent to civil rights leaders and figures like else often 259 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: you know have been a They've been very vocal. It's 260 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: been very vocal, or have been very vocal, and certainly 261 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: the jury had to have heard of all of this, 262 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: but notable and last and notable with Representative Maxine Waters 263 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: up California came to Minnesota with Engage in protest and 264 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: was very vocal in saying that if it was an 265 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: acquittal um, that in fact, people should take to the streets. 266 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: And and I think it's fair to say that people 267 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: should should protest, and I do hold on for a second. No, 268 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: that's okay. I know June's going to come in on this, 269 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: and I just want to paint a visual. We are 270 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: looking at shots in Minneapolis outside the courthouse and you 271 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: are seeing a lot of people around there, some people 272 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: obviously there's hugs, there's reactions, but it's very calm in 273 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: terms of reactions to that Vertican. Forgive me, Christo, I 274 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: know you wanted to finish that thought. Oh all I 275 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: was gonna say is that, you know, when we've got 276 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: a public figure again, uh in in Minneapolis, while the 277 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: jurors are not sequestered and the trial is still pending 278 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: telling people to take to the streets that there's an't 279 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: a quill. I mean, I think that is pant amount 280 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: to potential jury intimidation and so all of these things 281 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: to bring them together amount to Um. I'm really um, 282 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: I think strong and varied grounds for appeal. We've also 283 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: got the murder street charts that was reinstated contrary to 284 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: long standing president A lot this key. There's a lot 285 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: of grounds I think for a very valid appeal to forward. 286 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: So you talked about Judge k Hill being very fair 287 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: and reasonable in this trial, and of course we saw 288 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: it and if he hadn't been we would have heard 289 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: about it. So but what about as far as sentencing, 290 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: is he known as a tough sentencing judge or not? 291 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: I would say yes, known to be a tough sentencing 292 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:04,120 Speaker 1: judge and he certainly isn't afraid to grant upward departures. Um. 293 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: I have seen him on the other hand, or he 294 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: had the opportunity where there were the keys for the 295 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: seat has asked for upward um all sentences and he 296 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: said no, but he delivered a very high harsh message 297 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 1: while agreeing to a lower sensence. So um, you know 298 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: I've seen him do both. But I certainly thinks in 299 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: case I did that, he will get a whole lot 300 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:32,959 Speaker 1: of thoughts to granting an upward departure. Because as we 301 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: were talking about before, with Carol, there's got to be 302 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: a lot of going to be a lot of pressure 303 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: on him to grant an upward departure and you know, 304 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: to put Derek Choven away for the maximum of time possible. 305 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: I think that's the humuch is not true. I think 306 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: that pressure exists, um, and I'm sure he will consider 307 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: um the arguments of the attorneys and ultimately what he 308 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:59,719 Speaker 1: thinks is there. I just want to mention too that again, 309 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: it's just rehash. You're listening to Bloomberg Radio. We are 310 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,479 Speaker 1: going live. We have just covered, uh, the jury reaching 311 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 1: a verdict in the trial against former Minneapolis police officer 312 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: Derek Chauvin. He was found guilty on all three charges 313 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: against him, a second degree, a third degree murder, and 314 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: also manslaughter charge. I'm also seeing some headlines moving around 315 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: here in terms of his bail being revoked. That's probably 316 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 1: not a surprise, and it looks like sentencing perhaps in 317 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 1: about eight weeks time. Um June June grasshow Bloomberg News 318 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,679 Speaker 1: legal analyst who's with us, bail revoked? That's pretty standard, 319 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 1: I would assume, or is it not. I think in 320 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: a case like this, you'd be surprised if he you know, 321 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:43,360 Speaker 1: got to walk out of the courtroom. And I think 322 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,479 Speaker 1: that's as much, you know, the the gravity of the 323 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: of the verdict against him, the three murder charges, but 324 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: also just the the intensity of what's happening around the courthouse, 325 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 1: and um wanting I think, you know, to keep let's 326 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: let's face it, I think that if he had been 327 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: released on some kind of bail or bond, there would 328 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: have been an uproar about it, because he's obviously going 329 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 1: to prison, so you know, start now. I guess I 330 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 1: wasn't surprised at all. I don't know if Christie was, 331 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: but I wasn't surprised at already was remanded. You and 332 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: Carol are talking about these three charges. One of the 333 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: things that I've heard a lot from students is why 334 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: was he not charged with first degree murder? If we 335 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 1: have this video tape, the evidence seems um so clear 336 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: to so many of us. Why not charge him with 337 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 1: first degree murder? I'm gonna let Christa take that one 338 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 1: since since she's in Minneapolis, and there have been some 339 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: some laws of Minneapolis that have sort of befuddled me. 340 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 1: Sure fair enough, Um, you know, that question crossed my 341 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: mind at the beginning of all of this. UM. But 342 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 1: remember there has to be some kind of premedi patient 343 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: or planning, UM, if there's to be a first degree 344 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: murder charge and conviction. And in this case, UM, certainly 345 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: there could have been an argument that he formed the 346 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:12,959 Speaker 1: intense in the moment that he was going to kill him. 347 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: But I think it's a pretty hard sell that in 348 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: front of everybody was his own camera on, that he 349 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: was going to decide in that moment to just kill 350 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: this man. UM. I think if there was to be 351 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: that charge, there could very well likely have been a 352 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: backlash from the jury, and quite frankly, it could have 353 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: actually positioned him for an acquittal, because that I think 354 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 1: would be a difficult charge to prove under the circumstances, 355 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: and it might have actually given the defense of leverage. 356 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: So keep in mind also as it really to first 357 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: degree murder charges, there has to be an indictment, so 358 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: there would have to be you know, a grand jury 359 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: and panel, and um, the prosecution would have to meet 360 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: their burden as it really even bringing those charges in 361 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 1: the first place. That takes some time. UM, there could 362 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,919 Speaker 1: be controversy of that. UM. You know, perhaps there was 363 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: other motivations for moving to what the prosecution thought was 364 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 1: the true way to convict them. All right, you've been 365 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: listening to Bloomberg Radio. That of course was Krista Gorshek. 366 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 1: She's former public defender, current managing partner at gortschak Lass. 367 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,959 Speaker 1: She is with us along with Bloomberg News legal analyst 368 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 1: June Grosso, also Rick Davis and Jeanie Shawn Zano of 369 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: sound On. They are Bloomberg political contributors. And we are 370 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:32,199 Speaker 1: of course covering the X Cop of course, Derek Chauvin, 371 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: former Minneapolis police officer UH and the trial and the 372 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: verdict UH in the case in the murder of George Floyd. 373 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: He was found guilty and all three charges I mentioned, 374 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: though I've been kind of watching some of the footage 375 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: is the footage and images outside the courthouse in Minneapolis, 376 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: and our fuller uh A Canobi is on the ground 377 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:57,919 Speaker 1: in Minneapolis outside the court courtroom. Fulla, tell me about 378 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 1: tell me in terms of what you're seeing. Hey, I'm 379 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: actually outside of works, I'm outside of the cup food 380 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: where how you are good? Last year's I'm at George 381 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 1: Flood Square and and you know it's really a celebratory 382 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 1: mood here. Um, you know, I've been here for a 383 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: few days now, and and and in the lead up 384 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: to this, uh, talking to people on the ground, if 385 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: you felt like there's a lot of fear and there's 386 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: a lot of there's a lot of tension in the 387 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: city in sort of a city on edge. And and um, 388 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 1: you know, when when the verdict came down, people here, 389 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: you know, celebrating, they're they're clapping, their chanting, and they're 390 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: crying and they're hugging each other, and so it's really 391 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 1: a celebratory mood here in George Flood Square. What was 392 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: it like leading up to the reading of the verdict? 393 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: We were we were kind of saying, how as Judge 394 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 1: Peter Cahill read the charges in each or read the 395 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 1: outcome in each of those three charges, several of our 396 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: guests saying, you know, a bit chilling right to hear 397 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 1: him go through them all and then say the outcome 398 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 1: of the verdict. But what was it like in the 399 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 1: crowd leading up to the reading of the verdict? It 400 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: was sense. I mean they had to quiet everyone down because, um, 401 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: someone was playing from the car. Someone someone keep his 402 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: parked here and and they're they're playing, uh, the the 403 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 1: radio from the car and and people are trying to 404 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: figure out what the what what the verdict was going 405 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: to be because you know, people had to people have 406 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: been gathering and and talking and chanting and so you 407 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: couldn't really hear and so it wasn't an feel someone 408 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: had to come in and quiet down the crowd and 409 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: and then led let every know that, um, you know, 410 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 1: he was found guilty and and and he sort of 411 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:36,239 Speaker 1: erupted after that. And so I'm here and uh, you know, 412 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 1: things things things if they're really really again, I would 413 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 1: it's elevatory food here. Hey, hey, pu, look maybe you 414 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: could describe a little bit, um. You know, the presence 415 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 1: is their National Guard elements in uh George Floyd Square 416 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: where you are and uh or a heavy police presence 417 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: or has that melted away? Was there any before the verdict? Um? 418 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: What was what were the preparations like? And and our 419 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: buildings and businesses boarded up in that area or are 420 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: they still doing business? Yes? So you know, George Flood 421 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,199 Speaker 1: Square is actually I would say a start contrast uh 422 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,679 Speaker 1: to the area downtown and the area around the court House, 423 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 1: where I mean there's rates or wire, there's merrycades, the 424 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: military vehicles parts and a strong, heavy heavy nastal park 425 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: for there as well. UM, and and all the businesses 426 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: downtown boarded up and and and there's there's it's really 427 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,239 Speaker 1: not much foot traffic there either. Either makes different than 428 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 1: you know direct unt area. UM here in George More 429 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 1: Square though they a few blocks around the square has 430 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: been closed car traffic and and um it's just pedestrians 431 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: and you know, as far as I can see, I 432 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: just I just did it ree sixty for you guys. 433 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: And as far as I can see, I mean, there's 434 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 1: no no police, no National Guard, nothing like that. There's 435 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,479 Speaker 1: just people you're celebrating. But the court house has been 436 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: boarded up, right, so there was preparation just in case. Yeah, yeah, 437 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,640 Speaker 1: the courthouse, the courthouse and and a lot of the city. UM, 438 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,400 Speaker 1: I would say most of the outside of George Foot 439 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 1: Square directly, um the city was boarded up and it 440 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: was on edge. And the lead up to this really UM. 441 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 1: I spoke to one business owner earlier today and and 442 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: she talked to me about how she runs the cleaning business. 443 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 1: She talked to me about how she was really worried 444 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 1: for her stath who had to go out, you know, 445 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: after curfew some nights and she said that, you know, 446 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: she was fearful, and they were fearful of of of 447 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 1: the natural air persons. And they're saying they're they're passing 448 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 1: people with guns and they're worried about being stopped, and 449 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 1: and and and and the like, and so really like 450 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: the lead up to this, there's there's a ton of 451 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: tensions on the ground and a ton of tension in 452 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: the city, and full are you seeing a lot of 453 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: people from outside Minneapolis? Are they Are there people who 454 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: have come in, I mean aside from reporters who have 455 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:59,919 Speaker 1: come to town to await the verdict and either demonstrator 456 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: protests or are these mostly citizens of Minneapolis? And most 457 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: of the people I have talked to you here on 458 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: the ground, And then that includes you know, I thought 459 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 1: of cork House when I when I've been over there 460 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 1: have been from from the city and so that's what 461 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 1: I've been so far. I haven't seen any um sort 462 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: of rather town or I haven't talked to any other 463 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,959 Speaker 1: towns uh bo uh in my record, Hey, fully, one 464 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: thing I do want to get from you is because 465 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 1: we are expected comments by the Minnesota governor, uh expected 466 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: to make a statement to UH following this verdict, what 467 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: is it that again from the local political leaders, where 468 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: this has been front and center from day one, from 469 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: that moment UH in last May, when this all happened 470 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 1: to George floyd In and all played out very publicly 471 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: around the country. What is it that he needs to 472 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 1: what what is it that the Minnesota governor excuse me 473 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 1: needs to do? Uh? And the kind of comments that 474 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: we expect to maybe possibly here, UM, you know, I 475 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: haven't really I mean really what I've what I've heard 476 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 1: from people on the ground here in regard to the 477 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: governor that that um, you know, there there was a 478 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 1: perhaps the lack of understanding of what the city needs 479 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: and what the sort of response to the city needing was. UM. 480 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: Again speaking to business owner, speaking to people on the ground, 481 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: they felt like, UH the response and and then National 482 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 1: Guard president UH made them feel less safe than than 483 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: um than anything. And so I think and perhaps you 484 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: can address questions about, uh, the reason for for for 485 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: all of the naturally guards UH personnel, and and for 486 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 1: for the you know, really the militarization of of downtown 487 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: UH Minneapolis. I mean it looked like uh, the areauside 488 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 1: of the courthouse looks like a makes military base almost, 489 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,360 Speaker 1: and so I think perhaps you would you would answer 490 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 1: questions about that, because I think that's what people were 491 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: most concerned about in the lead up to this. Alright, 492 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 1: gonna leave it there. Of course, we've been talking about 493 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 1: Governor Tim Waltz, who has been the governor of Minnesota 494 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 1: since twenty nineteen. He is a Democrat, and our thanks 495 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 1: to follow up Kennoby, he is our Bloomberg News reporter 496 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: really giving us um some thoughts and a visual when 497 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 1: it comes to what is going on outside that Minnesota courthouse, 498 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: that Minneapolis courthouse following the verdict uh in the Derek 499 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 1: Chauvin case. Uh. Let's just remind you you are listening, 500 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,199 Speaker 1: of course to Bloomberg Radio. I'm Carol Masser in our 501 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 1: Interactive Broker studio in Bloomberg headquarters in New York City. 502 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: The team that we've got with us is our Bloomberg 503 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: News legal reporter and analyst June Grasso. She is with 504 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: us on the phone, so too is the sound on 505 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: team of Rick Davis and Jennie Sean Zano, and they 506 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: are joining us as well on the phone. And we're 507 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: also still here with Kristo Gorsick. She's former public defender, 508 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: current managing partner at gorshk Law, and she joins us 509 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: as well. You know, Krista, I do wonder too what 510 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: this means, though I've talked about a precedent earlier, and 511 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: I know a legal precedent means something specifically, But I 512 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: do wonder the outcome of this case, what this means, 513 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: What might be the conversations that should be had and 514 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: will be had in UH police offices around the country. Well, 515 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: for sure, I think the use of force issue is 516 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: going to be addressed. Obviously there's new I believe secial 517 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: legislation on this point. Um. But I think that there 518 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: will likely be a lot of conversations about de escalating, 519 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: de escalization and how to do that effectively. Um. We 520 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: saw from the experts in the Showman trial, UM, where 521 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: the state's use of force experts sat down and said, look, 522 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: at this point, he could have done this, at this point, 523 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: this wasn't happening. He could have done that, at this point. 524 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: You know, he had these, you know, three sets of options, right, Um, 525 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: no doubt when this reflay was being put into the 526 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: backs of squad card um LESA. I'm very agitated and upset, 527 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 1: and he was difficult to calm. But the useful force 528 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: experts talked about how there would have been alternative to 529 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: the situation, as opposed to continuing to show force and 530 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: continuing to respond in that same maw Christie Christia, hang 531 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 1: on a second, because the Minnesota Attorney General, Keith Allison 532 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: is making some comments, let's take you their lives work 533 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: is culminated today. I would not call today's verdict justice, however, 534 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: because justice implies true restoration. But it is accountability which 535 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: is the first step towards justice. And now the cause 536 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: of justice is in your hands. And when I say 537 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 1: your hands, I mean the hands are the people of 538 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 1: the United States. George Floyd matters. He was loved by 539 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 1: his family and his friends. His death shocked the conscious 540 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 1: of our community, our country, the whole world. He was 541 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: loved by his family and friends, but that isn't why 542 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: he mattered. He mattered because he was a human being, 543 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,479 Speaker 1: and there is no way we can turn away from 544 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:22,959 Speaker 1: that reality. The people who stopped and raised their voices 545 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: on We're a bouquet of humanity, a phrase I stole 546 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 1: from my friend Jerry Blackwell, a bouquet of humanity, old 547 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 1: young men and women, black and white. A man from 548 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: the neighborhood just walking to get a drink, a child 549 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: going to buy a snack with her cousin, and off 550 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: duty firefighter on her way to a community garden. Brave 551 00:31:55,600 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: young women, teenagers who press record on their cell phones. 552 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: Why did they stop? They didn't know George Floyd. They 553 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: didn't know he had a beautiful family. They didn't know 554 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 1: he had been a great athlete, and they didn't know 555 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: he was a proud father, or that he had people 556 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: in his life who loved him. They stopped and raised 557 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: their voices, and they even challenged authority because they saw 558 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: his humanity. They stopped and they raised their voices because 559 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 1: they knew that what they were seeing was wrong. They 560 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: didn't need to be medical professionals or experts in the 561 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: use of force. They knew it was wrong, and they 562 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: were right. These community members, this bouquet of humanity, did 563 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: it again in this trial. They performed simple yet profound 564 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: acts of courage. They told the truth, and they told 565 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 1: the whole world the truth about what they saw. They 566 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 1: were vindicated by the chief of Police, by the Minneapolis's 567 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: longest serving police officer, and by many other police officers 568 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 1: who stepped up and testified as to what they saw 569 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: into what they knew. What happened on that street was wrong. 570 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: We owe it, and we owe our gratitude to fulfilling there. 571 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: We owe them our gratitude for fulfilling their civic duty, 572 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: and for their courage and telling the truth to countless 573 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 1: people in Minnesota and across the United States who joined 574 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: them in peacefully demanding justice for George Floyd. We say 575 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 1: all of us thank you. In the coming days, more 576 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 1: may seek to express themselves again through partition and demonstration. 577 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 1: I urge everyone to honor the legacy of George Floyd 578 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 1: by doing so calmly, legally, and peacefully. I urge everyone 579 00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 1: to continue the journey to transformation and justice us. It's 580 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: in your hands now. I also want to address the 581 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: Floyd family, if I may. Over the last year, the 582 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 1: family of George Floyd had to relive again and again 583 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,759 Speaker 1: the worst day of their lives when they lost their brother, 584 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 1: their father, their friend. I'm profoundly grateful to them for 585 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,959 Speaker 1: giving us the time we needed to prosecute this case. 586 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,840 Speaker 1: They have shown the world what grace in class encourage 587 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,919 Speaker 1: really look like. Although a verdict alone cannot in their pain, 588 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,720 Speaker 1: I hope it's another step on the long path toward 589 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 1: healing for them. There's no replacing your beloved Perry or 590 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:46,239 Speaker 1: Floyd as his friends called him, but he is the 591 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 1: one who sparked a worldwide movement, and that's important. We 592 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: owe our thanks to the men and women of the 593 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 1: jury who gave many hours of their time and attention 594 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,280 Speaker 1: to carefully listening to the evidence, weighing the facts, rendering 595 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 1: a verdict. They are regular people from all walks of life, 596 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: a lot like that bail bouquet of of humanity on 597 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:13,359 Speaker 1: that corner on in that courtroom. They answered the call 598 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 1: and they served in a landmark trial. They now deserve 599 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 1: to return to their lives. If they ask you to 600 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 1: respect their privacy, we ask you to honor that request. 601 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 1: I want to acknowledge the remarkable team that helped us 602 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 1: prosecute the case. We put everything we had into this prosecution. 603 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 1: We presented the best case that we could and the 604 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 1: jury heard us and we're grateful for that. We had 605 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,840 Speaker 1: the soul burden of proof in the case, and history 606 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 1: shows that winning cases like these can be difficult. I'm 607 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 1: proud of every hour, every minute, and every ounce of 608 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,360 Speaker 1: effort we put in this case. And let me tell you, 609 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 1: we spent many hours working on this case, do we 610 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 1: not We week after week, committee meeting after committee meeting. 611 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 1: This team never let up and it never quit. We 612 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 1: fought every day and we did it together, the Attorney 613 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 1: General's Office, together with the Hennepig County Attorney's Office. Thank you, sir, 614 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,840 Speaker 1: and we did it together. I'm deeply grateful to everyone 615 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 1: who worked on the case. Most of these folks will 616 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 1: tell you it's a bad idea to put together a 617 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,399 Speaker 1: team of all Michael Jordan's. Nobody would want to pass 618 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:37,320 Speaker 1: the ball this team. That was their true strength is 619 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:42,400 Speaker 1: sharing the load, passing the ball, understanding that all of 620 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,960 Speaker 1: us together are smarter than any one of us alone, 621 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 1: and that worked. Although the verdict has been rendered, this 622 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,879 Speaker 1: is not the end. In the coming weeks to court 623 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 1: will determined sentencing, and later this summer we expect to 624 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 1: present in another case. We will not be talking about that. 625 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:07,279 Speaker 1: This verdict reminds us how hard it is to make 626 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,720 Speaker 1: enduring change, and I just want to finish by sharing 627 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 1: some important historical legacy. If you allow me, in nineteen 628 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 1: sixty eight, the Currner Commission was formed to investigate the 629 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 1: causes of uprisings across major American cities. And a man 630 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 1: named Dr Kenneth Clark, a famous African American psychologist who 631 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:33,279 Speaker 1: along with his equally accomplished psychologist wife, maybe contributed to 632 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 1: a compelling research in the Brown versus Board of Education case. 633 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 1: And Dr Clark testified at the Currner Commission, and I 634 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 1: want to quote you what he said. I read that report, 635 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:49,279 Speaker 1: the one in the nineteen nineteen riot in Chicago, and 636 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,360 Speaker 1: it was if I were reading the Report of Investigating 637 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,840 Speaker 1: the Committee of the Harlem Riot in nineteen thirty five, 638 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 1: the Report on Investigating the Harlem Riot in nineteen forty three, 639 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 1: and the report of the mccon Commission on the Watts Riot. 640 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,400 Speaker 1: I must say again in candor to you, the members 641 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 1: of this commission, it's like a kind of an alice 642 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 1: in wonderland, with the same moving picture reshown over and 643 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 1: over again, the same analysis, the same recommendation, and the 644 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 1: same in action. Those are the words of Dr Clark 645 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 1: in nineteen. Here we are in nineteen twenty excuse me, 646 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:34,280 Speaker 1: two thousand twenty one. Here we are in two thousand 647 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:39,640 Speaker 1: twenty one, still addressing the same problem. Since Dr Clark testified, 648 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:46,120 Speaker 1: we have seen Rodney King, admir Louima, Oscar Grant, Eric Gardner, 649 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:51,360 Speaker 1: Michael Brown, Freddie Gray, Sandra Bland, Philando Castile, Lakwa McDonald, 650 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:56,800 Speaker 1: Stephen Clark, a Tiana Jefferson, and Tom Black, Brianna Taylor, 651 00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:03,719 Speaker 1: and now Dante Wright and Adam to Ledo. This has 652 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:09,479 Speaker 1: to end. We need true justice. That's not one case. 653 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:15,040 Speaker 1: That is a social transformation that says that nobody's beneath 654 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,800 Speaker 1: the law and no one is above it. This verdict 655 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 1: reminds us that we must make enduring systemic societal change. 656 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,360 Speaker 1: More than a month ago, months before George Floyd was murdered, 657 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:33,360 Speaker 1: the Minnesota Public Safety Commissioner John Herrington and I released 658 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,839 Speaker 1: the recommendations of our working Group on reducing deadly forced 659 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,800 Speaker 1: encounters with law enforcement. What all of us in that 660 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 1: working group, including law enforcement, wanted is for everyone to 661 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:48,600 Speaker 1: go home safe. Anytime someone doesn't, everyone's lives are changed forever. 662 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,720 Speaker 1: We need to use this verdict as an inflection point. 663 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,879 Speaker 1: What if we just prevented the problem instead of having 664 00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 1: to try these cases we don't want any more community 665 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,759 Speaker 1: members dying at the hands of law enforcement and their 666 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,880 Speaker 1: families lives ruined. We want We don't want any more 667 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 1: law enforcement members having to face criminal charges and their 668 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:15,120 Speaker 1: families lives ruined. We don't want any more communities torn apart. 669 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,279 Speaker 1: One way to prevent this is to get into a 670 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,600 Speaker 1: new relationship where we as a society re examined the 671 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:27,080 Speaker 1: use of force and our old settle assumptions. I'm so 672 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:31,160 Speaker 1: proud of Chief Aridondo and the Minneapolis police officers who, 673 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:35,600 Speaker 1: by their testimony said enough is enough. In Another way 674 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,240 Speaker 1: to prevent it is by acknowledging and lifting up everyone's humanity, 675 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:44,600 Speaker 1: helping communities heal and officers be well. Another way to 676 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 1: prevent it is with accountability. Passing laws and instituting policies 677 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,520 Speaker 1: and training is important, but they must be more than 678 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:57,040 Speaker 1: words on paper, and there must be accountability for violating them. 679 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,600 Speaker 1: With this verdict, we have brought some account ability. Finally, 680 00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,520 Speaker 1: this verdict demands us to never give up the hope 681 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,319 Speaker 1: that we can make enduring change. Generations of people said 682 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:13,480 Speaker 1: slavery would never end. Generations said Jim Crow would never end. Generations, 683 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,040 Speaker 1: said women would never be equal to men. Generations said 684 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,359 Speaker 1: if you are different in any way, you could never 685 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,840 Speaker 1: be a full and equal member of our society. Today, 686 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:28,320 Speaker 1: we have to end this travesty of recurring, enduring, enduring 687 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,400 Speaker 1: uh death at the hands of law enforcement. Those beliefs 688 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,000 Speaker 1: UH are things we have to focus our attention on. 689 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,680 Speaker 1: And as I now do close, I just want to 690 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,719 Speaker 1: say to you, the work of our generation is to 691 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:48,160 Speaker 1: put unaccountable law enforcement behind us. It's time to transfer 692 00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:52,279 Speaker 1: the relationship, transform the relationship between community and the people 693 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,480 Speaker 1: who are sworn UH to protect them from one that 694 00:41:55,680 --> 00:42:00,120 Speaker 1: is mistrustful, suspicious, and in some cases terrifying, into one 695 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 1: that is empathetic, compassionate, and affirming. Would that benefit that 696 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:10,120 Speaker 1: will benefit everyone, including police officers who deserve to serve 697 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,440 Speaker 1: in a profession that is honored in departments where they 698 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:19,000 Speaker 1: don't have to worry about colleagues who don't follow the rules. Now, 699 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,640 Speaker 1: the world, that work is in your hands. The work 700 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,960 Speaker 1: of our generation is to put an end to the 701 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,600 Speaker 1: vestiges of Jim Crow and the centuries of trauma and 702 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,080 Speaker 1: finally put it in to racism. We can end it. 703 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,720 Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be with us into the future. 704 00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,880 Speaker 1: If we decide now to have true liberty and justice 705 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,640 Speaker 1: for all the work of our generation is to say 706 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:45,040 Speaker 1: goodbye to old practices that don't serve us anymore and 707 00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:49,040 Speaker 1: to put them all behind us. One conviction, even one 708 00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,080 Speaker 1: like this one that creates even one like this one, 709 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,440 Speaker 1: can create a powerful new opening to shed old practices 710 00:42:55,719 --> 00:43:00,440 Speaker 1: and reset relationships. So with that, I just want to 711 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:05,600 Speaker 1: say that I do hope that people step forward and 712 00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:09,680 Speaker 1: understand that nobody can do everything, but everybody can do something. 713 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,640 Speaker 1: You can do something the way like everyday people like 714 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:16,480 Speaker 1: Donald Williams and Geneva, Genevieve Hansen and Christopher Martin and 715 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,680 Speaker 1: Charles McMillan and all those teenagers and young people stepped 716 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,719 Speaker 1: up and did something. You can do things like help 717 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:28,440 Speaker 1: pass the George Floyd Justice and Accountability Act. It's in 718 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,439 Speaker 1: your hands. Let's get the work done. And now I'd 719 00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:35,720 Speaker 1: like to invite my friend and partner and Justice Michael Freeman, 720 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:40,040 Speaker 1: Keennepy County Attorney Are you even listening to the Minnesota 721 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:44,680 Speaker 1: Attorney General Keith Allison? There uh several times talking about accountability, 722 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,360 Speaker 1: specifically saying I would not call today's verdict justice. However, 723 00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,680 Speaker 1: justice implies true restoration, but it is accountability, which is 724 00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,760 Speaker 1: the first step towards justice. Of course, the Attorney General. 725 00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,320 Speaker 1: They're reacting to the verdict and the outcome of the 726 00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,600 Speaker 1: case against Derek Show and the former Minneapolis police officer 727 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,799 Speaker 1: who knelt on George Floyd's neck from more than nine 728 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:09,440 Speaker 1: minutes last May, convicted of three charges second degree murder, 729 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:14,400 Speaker 1: third degree murder and manslaughter in the trial. Uh and 730 00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,000 Speaker 1: of course that trial was going on for about fifteen days, 731 00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:21,480 Speaker 1: the jurors coming back in under eleven hours there with 732 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,600 Speaker 1: that verdict. Our Bloomberg News team right now, I am 733 00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:28,719 Speaker 1: with Bloomberg News legal analyst June Grasso. She's with us 734 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:33,040 Speaker 1: on the phone, along with Junie Chanzano and Rick Davis 735 00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,600 Speaker 1: of our sound on team there in d C. Bloomberg 736 00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,520 Speaker 1: political contributors, And I want to welcome into the conversation 737 00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,279 Speaker 1: Arisha Hatch, vice president of Color of Change, on the 738 00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,400 Speaker 1: phone from Washington, d C. Color of Change the nation's 739 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:48,040 Speaker 1: largest online racial justice organization. Keep in mind to President 740 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,520 Speaker 1: Biden Vice President Kamala Harris, they are expected to make 741 00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:55,680 Speaker 1: some comments later tonight reacting to that verdict. Aresha, nice 742 00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,080 Speaker 1: to have you here with us as well and the team, 743 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,320 Speaker 1: you know, the attorney I'm well making the point, what 744 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,920 Speaker 1: if we prevented these cases, we don't want any more 745 00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,600 Speaker 1: police facing charges. We don't want any more families who 746 00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,200 Speaker 1: are facing losses, our communities caught up like we did, 747 00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,799 Speaker 1: UH in the case of George Floyd. Understandably. So what's 748 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,799 Speaker 1: your reaction to the verdict today and what we need 749 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:22,040 Speaker 1: to do going forward. Well, I'm I'm just thank you 750 00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,920 Speaker 1: so much for having me. I'm I'm thankful for the 751 00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,600 Speaker 1: verdict today. UM. We were I think we saw a 752 00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:32,440 Speaker 1: jury see what the rest of the world saw UM 753 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,520 Speaker 1: last year was that this was like an obvious murders, 754 00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,480 Speaker 1: that this person was obviously guilty of this UM. And 755 00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:43,600 Speaker 1: I think the jury coming back so quickly without asking 756 00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,680 Speaker 1: any questions on all three counts and our all three 757 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,719 Speaker 1: charges just reiterates that. And I think my other reflection 758 00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:55,480 Speaker 1: is how important it is to have an Attorney General 759 00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,160 Speaker 1: and Keith Ellison step in, like Keith Ellison step into 760 00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:04,080 Speaker 1: this sort of case, UM, having someone who shares the 761 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,880 Speaker 1: values of the community, of the values of the victim, 762 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,320 Speaker 1: that UM, they are represented UM and that and and 763 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,560 Speaker 1: he did such, he and his office at such a 764 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:16,520 Speaker 1: great job of instilling a sense of trust UM and 765 00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:21,120 Speaker 1: the prosecution's effort. Uh. And uh, we saw a level 766 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,840 Speaker 1: of confidence UM. Uh. And so while I thought this 767 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,719 Speaker 1: was an obvious result, I don't want to undermine that 768 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:33,279 Speaker 1: it's a big deal to have a historical, big deal 769 00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:40,720 Speaker 1: to have a police officer held accountable UM at this level. Arisha, 770 00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,120 Speaker 1: do you think that the verdict in this case and 771 00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:47,480 Speaker 1: the way it was pursued by the authorities in Minnesota 772 00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:52,640 Speaker 1: will make a difference in future cases? Uh? Well, I 773 00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,279 Speaker 1: think what it says is that we're beginning to reach 774 00:46:55,360 --> 00:47:00,759 Speaker 1: a tipping point in which juries and society generally UH 775 00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,400 Speaker 1: does not want to continue to normalize this sort of 776 00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,640 Speaker 1: violence on behalf of police. But you know, as we know, 777 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:12,000 Speaker 1: as as folks that do criminal justice work, criminal justice 778 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:17,200 Speaker 1: reform work, UH, our current criminal justice system isn't often 779 00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:23,120 Speaker 1: isn't a determined deterrent to crying UM and so justice. Uh. 780 00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:27,320 Speaker 1: You know, there are fundamental changes that need to happen. 781 00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,280 Speaker 1: What what we're seeing is that police are being forced 782 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,759 Speaker 1: to show up to situations where they shouldn't be showing up, 783 00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:38,040 Speaker 1: and that is leading to escalated instances of violence against UM. 784 00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:42,600 Speaker 1: A number of different UM people and So until we 785 00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:48,640 Speaker 1: can fundamentally change the ways, UM the whom shows up 786 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,080 Speaker 1: when folks are in need, I think we're going to 787 00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:55,279 Speaker 1: continue to see these types of things happen. Arecia you 788 00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,800 Speaker 1: just mentioned, you know, fundamental changes need to happen. And 789 00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,000 Speaker 1: this is one of the things I've heard a lot 790 00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,160 Speaker 1: is that while this case will provide relief and it's historic, um, 791 00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,160 Speaker 1: and historically a big deal, as you said, it doesn't 792 00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:12,640 Speaker 1: change the problem that systematic racism. So are you feeling 793 00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:17,640 Speaker 1: confident that the Biden administration has prioritized the type of 794 00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:21,520 Speaker 1: reform that you'd like to see? And are you comfortable 795 00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,239 Speaker 1: with his movement away from the commission he promised and 796 00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:28,719 Speaker 1: the focus on legislation at this point? UM. I think 797 00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,759 Speaker 1: the focus on legislation is important. UM. I think uh, 798 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:40,280 Speaker 1: not only the Biden administration, but UH Congress generally, especially 799 00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:45,799 Speaker 1: a Democratic majority. Congress deserves or owes black the black 800 00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,840 Speaker 1: voters who sort of placed them in the majority to 801 00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,440 Speaker 1: address this sort of issue in real ways. UM. I 802 00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,000 Speaker 1: think there's lots of different ways in which this can 803 00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,479 Speaker 1: be addressed. We were happy to see UM Biden step 804 00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:02,080 Speaker 1: away from the commission, UM, but we'll be watching very 805 00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:06,280 Speaker 1: closely his comments later tonight, as well as the actions 806 00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:12,080 Speaker 1: that are taken uh to further remedy uh these types 807 00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,879 Speaker 1: of injustices that still continue in black, brown, and other 808 00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:20,960 Speaker 1: poor working flack communities across the country. Arisia, in a 809 00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:22,440 Speaker 1: little bit of time we have left. What do you 810 00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,360 Speaker 1: think the impact is going to be on C suites 811 00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,399 Speaker 1: not only in the United States, but around the world. 812 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,400 Speaker 1: Every CEO has been watching this and trying to understand 813 00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,560 Speaker 1: the impact on their business. Your organization has been very 814 00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:36,840 Speaker 1: active there. How do you think this will resonate? I 815 00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,840 Speaker 1: think what well? What we are seeing, UM, what this 816 00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:45,640 Speaker 1: jury confirms is that we are moving into a space 817 00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:50,600 Speaker 1: where racial justice is a majoritarian theme. It's no longer 818 00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:55,040 Speaker 1: uh the opinion of the marginalized or the majority or 819 00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:59,359 Speaker 1: the minority. It is a majority theme. And so UH 820 00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,400 Speaker 1: you corporate leaders, folks in C suites should be thinking 821 00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:09,600 Speaker 1: about uh the impact of their businesses on black people 822 00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,360 Speaker 1: and other people of color. Uh. They should be doing 823 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:16,880 Speaker 1: the things internally that they should do. UH that reflect 824 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,840 Speaker 1: uh the shift in consciousness that we're seeing happen not 825 00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:25,440 Speaker 1: only in this country but as across the globe. But 826 00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:29,800 Speaker 1: we are moving into an error where UH having the 827 00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,960 Speaker 1: excuse of like I didn't know how my policies affected 828 00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,919 Speaker 1: black people or other people of color. Um, I didn't 829 00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,920 Speaker 1: know the impact of the product that we were building. 830 00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,880 Speaker 1: That is no longer a ballot excuse. I think in 831 00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:46,960 Speaker 1: all right, I think we're gonna leave it there. UM, 832 00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,760 Speaker 1: we really appreciate all of this team coverage. Arisha Hatch's, 833 00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,760 Speaker 1: vice president of Color of Change, the nation's largest online 834 00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:57,800 Speaker 1: racial justice organization, joining us on the phone in d C. 835 00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,640 Speaker 1: And of course our sound on team Jeanie Chanzano and 836 00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:05,080 Speaker 1: also Rick Davis Bloomberg political contributors, because keep in mind, 837 00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,799 Speaker 1: we do expect to hear from President Biden and Vice 838 00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:11,719 Speaker 1: President Kamala Harris later on this evening to react to 839 00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:15,800 Speaker 1: that verdict. I'm just seeing going around Twitter, UH that 840 00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:20,480 Speaker 1: the Floyd family attorney has released a video where a 841 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,120 Speaker 1: President Biden and Vice President Harris called the Floyd family 842 00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,840 Speaker 1: after the guilty verdict. So that is certainly going around 843 00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,759 Speaker 1: UH in terms of social media circles. And of course 844 00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:33,120 Speaker 1: our thanks to uh all of the contributors who have 845 00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:38,239 Speaker 1: reacted to what was really big news obviously on this Tuesday. 846 00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,960 Speaker 1: Let's just remind you we did just get that verdict 847 00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,720 Speaker 1: about an hour ago. Derek Chauvin, the former Minneapolis police 848 00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,040 Speaker 1: officer who knelt on George Floyd's neck for more than 849 00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:51,200 Speaker 1: nine minutes last mate, convicted on all three charges in 850 00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:55,239 Speaker 1: that politically explosive trial. You've been listening to Bloomberg Radio. 851 00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:56,960 Speaker 1: I'm Carol Master. This is Bloomberg