WEBVTT - Acorn Involved Shooting 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:04.920 Al Zone Media. 0:00:05.480 --> 0:00:08.840 Ah welcome back to It Could Happen Here, a podcast 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:12.400 where the host Robert Evans, one of the hosts, has 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:17.919 recently recovered from a terrible, terrible sickness by by engaging 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:22.639 in some fascinating experiments with theah flu, largely using a 0:00:22.720 --> 0:00:25.520 friend's diabetic needles, just shooting it straight into the veins 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:29.800 my co host today, Garrison Davis, Have you ever shot 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:31.440 flu medication into your veins? 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:35.040 Garrison, No, I've only shot one thing into my veins. 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:40.080 Well, speaking of shooting, today's episode of It Could Happen 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:43.120 Here is about a shooting it before you are like, oh, man, 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:44.559 I don't really have it in me to listen to 0:00:44.560 --> 0:00:47.440 a horrible story about people dying today. Don't worry. Nobody 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:50.200 gets shot in this story, Thank God. 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:55.600 Miraculously nobody gets shot, Like against all odds, it's stunning 0:00:55.680 --> 0:00:56.880 that nobody got shot. 0:00:57.240 --> 0:01:00.480 This is the tale of a police officer fucking up. 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:04.240 Not worse than any cop has ever fucked up, because 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:06.520 again he didn't kill anybody, but fucking up in a 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:09.640 way that's like more baffling and incompetent than I think 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:10.760 I've ever seen before. 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:13.000 It's probably the most embarrassing. 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:16.440 And certainly the most embarrassing and not even really malevolent, 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:20.200 just like outrageously incompetent. But I'm gonna let you take 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:21.560 over from here, Garrison. 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:23.880 So, yeah, we are going to be talking about in 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:30.760 acorn involved shooting today. Happened that happened in Florida. 0:01:30.840 --> 0:01:34.360 Finally we know what the A and A cab stands for. 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:40.640 That's right, son, We're gonna play some clips here, but 0:01:40.680 --> 0:01:42.120 I think it's important to set the scene so you 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:46.199 kind of understand what you're hearing. So this cop walks 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:49.040 up to his patrol car. There is a suspect locked 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:49.560 in the back. 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:53.560 Sunny day, Houston suburbs, big houses, wide streets. 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:56.640 Yeah, now something happens as the cop is about to 0:01:56.680 --> 0:01:59.960 open up the door. He then dives onto the ground. 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:04.400 It does two like action roles, double barrel rolls, and 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:08.000 then starts shooting at the car and starts yelling to 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:10.519 another officer who's in the area. And I think we'll 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:12.280 just we'll just play the rest here. 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:13.160 Yeah. 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:15.360 The first clip is about thirty seconds long, and then 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:17.080 I just have a few shorter clips kind of that 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:20.040 that I've kind of stitched together that just just to 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:21.960 get a sense of like what he's saying and what 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:26.240 he's communicating after he opens fire on this patrol vehicle. 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:33.640 So here is here is that audio. 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:34.080 Barn jot, Barn jut Bart. 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:46.120 Shots Barn, you know who? I love? That love. 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:54.600 What that I the car? 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:56.680 Shot the car. 0:02:57.520 --> 0:03:02.359 Oh, I'm I'm good. I'm feel weird, but I'm good. 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:14.440 I might have hit my best Mark. It might have 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:19.680 hit my best I don't know, but I'm not. 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:22.520 Okay, I don't know. 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:24.000 I found like it. 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:28.600 I got you. 0:03:28.600 --> 0:03:39.520 You wanted me, Jesse, come back? Uh uh Mark right back, dude, 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:47.240 of my hit? Okay, further back, further back to the back. 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:48.200 All right. 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:51.280 So that was a lot of gunfire. Again, it is 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:56.280 shocking that no one died because it's not immediately evident 0:03:56.480 --> 0:03:58.400 if you just watched the video. But there is somebody 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:00.680 who's trapped in the back of that car, and there's 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:03.280 multiple officers shooting at the car. 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:06.000 And here's the thing. The guy. The distance the guy 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:08.520 is shooting from. God, from when I watched the video 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:10.400 last I would estimate maybe about twenty. 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:12.280 Yards, probably even shorter than that. 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:15.920 Maybe sure, maybe more like fifteen. It's medium to maybe 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:18.480 medium long range for a handgun. For a full size 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:20.839 handgun like that, I'd say it's about medium range. So 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:24.919 a competent shooter should be able to hit a target 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:28.080 about the size of a human torso at that distance 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:31.200 with most of the rounds. But he is not that. 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:33.839 When I say competent, that is somebody who is bracing 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:36.720 themselves and who has two hands on the gun. He 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:39.159 is shooting like a character in an action movie. And 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:41.960 I cannot imagine. So a lot of those rounds did 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:44.120 not even hit the truck. I imagine they went flying 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:46.800 into a neighborhood where we can hear children playing. 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:47.400 Yes, Yes. 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:48.880 So the. 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:53.160 Officer who encountered this a core in which we will 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:56.360 get to in a sec was named Deputy Jesse Hernandez. 0:04:56.720 --> 0:05:01.159 He'd been a cop for almost two years, and we'll 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:05.000 learn more about his background as we as we continue 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:08.760 on with this little story. The second officer, well not officer, 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:12.640 but a sergeant of this Sheriff's department named Beth Roberts, 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:14.960 and she's been a cop since two thousand and eight, 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:17.520 so she has a little bit more experience under her belt. 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:21.200 So let's kind of explain what happened here. So there 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:23.840 was a series of calls that happened earlier in the 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:26.359 day about a vehicle who was kind of driving erradically 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:29.680 around a nearby neighborhood, honking its horn kind of just 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:32.160 like making a lot of sounds at like three am. 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:34.080 The suspect was described as a black mail in his 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:37.159 late twenties. And then a few hours later, a separate 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:40.600 call was made by someone talking about how her boyfriend 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:43.760 has been refusing to return her vehicle and has been 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:47.320 sending her threatening text messages. So this caused police to 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:51.320 go to this girlfriend's house. She showed some of these 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:55.560 threatening text messages and they were talking with this woman 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:59.839 when her boyfriend approached the scene, so the suspect of 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:02.480 coach the police in front of his girlfriend's house. Deputy 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:05.640 Hernandez himself did a pat down to search for weapons 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:09.640 and observed a more thorough search once the suspect was handcuffed. 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:12.039 The missing car was located a few miles away, and 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:13.839 Hernandez was on his way back to the car to 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:16.880 do a tertiary search of the suspect, who is currently 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:19.600 locked in the back seat with handcuffs, and then as 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:23.880 Deputy Hernandez passed the passenger side door in acorn fell 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:27.080 onto the roof of his car, which is barely barely 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:32.160 audible in the bodycam video that we have access to, so. 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:35.040 You would not notice it were you not listening for it. 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:39.760 No. No. Three days later, Deputy Hernandez was interviewed by 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:42.520 two investigators as a part of the Office of Professional 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:47.920 Standards investigation into this incident of discharge gunfire and this 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:50.960 this interview in this report is probably one of the 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:57.040 most telling things about how police psychology operates. And Wow, okay, 0:06:57.080 --> 0:07:01.640 so I'm gonna I'm gonna read through a few a 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:05.599 few quotes here from Deputy Hernandez. He talks about how, quote, 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:08.080 I'm about to reach for the door handle and simultaneously 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:10.960 I hear to at the time what I believe would 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:14.040 be a suppressed weapon off to the side. I definitely 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:17.080 heard this noise about the same time I felt an 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:20.080 impact on my right side, like an upper torso area. 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:23.080 I feel the impact. My legs just give out. I 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:25.840 don't know where I'm hit. I think I'm hit. I'm struck. 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:30.920 I roll back. I rolled to the like. 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:33.040 He's the hard boiled detective in a novel. 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:35.240 I rolled to the back of the car. Now I'm 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:37.600 stuck in the street, and I knew where the fire 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:41.120 where the shots came from. I or I believed where 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:43.440 they came from. It was right there as I'm reaching 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:45.920 for that door handle. So I'm laying behind the car. 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:48.560 I'm yelling shots fire, shots fired, shots fired. I returned 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:50.640 fire once I could get covered behind another vehicle that 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:54.120 was parked in the driveway there. So when asked to 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:57.800 describe what he felt, because he's not just claiming that 0:07:57.880 --> 0:08:00.520 he heard a sound, he's gonna be keep he felt like 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:01.120 he got hit. 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:03.680 Yeah, he felt an impact. He felt an impact, and 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:06.240 his legs went out from underneath him. Yes, which again 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:09.360 in the video, he clearly does a double barrel role. 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:12.280 He doesn't. That is not I have I have seen 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:16.680 people get hit and drop. They did not do double 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:18.640 barrel rolls like. 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:21.320 A little action star. Yeah, yeh yeah, yeah, he says, 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:24.480 quote it felt like an impact to my upper torso 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:27.480 around here he motions up to his right shoulder on 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:30.960 the right side. It was like a sound impact, like 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:33.720 almost that quick. I guess I just loved it the 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:36.359 phrase it was like a sound impact. 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:39.120 Yeah. I think he's saying I think what he's saying 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:42.000 from from reading it is that like we're missing some 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:43.800 of the body language that he was going to. It 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:46.160 was like sound and then like moving his hands to. 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:49.240 Get sound impact, heard the sound, and then he got impact. 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:51.400 I think he was actually trying to which is not 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:54.680 like them, which is actually not in person. Probably very awkward, 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:56.920 but yeah, it does. It comes across weird. 0:08:57.240 --> 0:09:01.360 And so more more funny than sound. Impact. For again, 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:04.240 any corn that's falling on a roof, we have quote, 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:07.400 my legs weren't working the way I wanted them to 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:10.079 be working. I think I yelled at one point to 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:12.160 Sergeant Roberts. I think I might have been hitting the 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:15.240 leg or something along those lines, because I was struggling 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:17.080 to get cover. I think at one point I reached 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:21.200 up to touch my head. I think I still had 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:23.480 the sound in my head. I wasn't sure if I 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:26.240 had been hit in the head. I was getting a 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:30.960 funny tingling around all sides of my body, and I 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:33.520 think some of that mighty just been adrenaline putting together 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:35.959 the fact that what I just heard and the impact 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:38.160 that I felt. I've never been shot before, so I 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:45.120 don't know what that's like or you know, unquote great 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:50.760 oh man, So he is, he's unsure if you would 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:52.120 be able to notice if he got shot in the 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:55.520 head or not, which is kind of interesting. I mean, 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:58.160 I'm sure he could get grazed, but like, come on, buddy. 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:00.280 Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's one thing you It is 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:03.520 true that like you can be hit like an armor. 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:05.559 She will not be sure if you've gotten a hit 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:09.040 because it didn't penetrate. But you would also not mistake 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:14.320 a corn shrapnel hitting you reasonably for a bullet like 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:17.160 That's simply not a mistake a reasonable person is going 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:17.560 to make. 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:23.480 So the investigator asked him, like if there was any 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:26.920 other sense that there could have been a gunfire, like 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:29.160 if you saw any like shattered glass coming from the car, 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:32.439 and Hernandez said no. When asked why he decided to 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:35.160 stop firing, Hernandez said that he stopped firing once he 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:38.120 emptied his clip, moved to cover behind it nearby Tesla 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:41.960 end quote, didn't observe any rounds coming back at me. 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:48.599 Just just great, because why there's the Hernandez claimed that 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:50.440 he was never able to see the suspect while in 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:54.160 the patrol car. And Hernandez remained behind cover till other 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:57.280 deputies arrived. And was rushed to a hospital, where only 0:10:57.320 --> 0:11:00.000 then he was informed that he did not in fact, 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:00.520 it shot. 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:03.080 It's amazing he made it all the way to a hospital, 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:07.240 So you had a lot of chances. You had a 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:09.120 lot of chances to not fuck that up. 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:09.360 Man. 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:11.480 As soon as the other cops arrive on the seat, 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:13.880 he's like, I don't know, I just I just feel 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:14.600 so weird. 0:11:16.600 --> 0:11:20.240 Yeah, buddy, you you had an adrenaline drop because you panicked, 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:21.960 Like that is why you feel weird. 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:27.319 Like a lot always this like mirrors, the police fentanel things, 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:31.400 how they can like talk themselves into feeling into like 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:38.440 feeling symptoms. Yes, but all right, So Hernandez hadn't been 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:40.200 a cop for very long. He had he had no 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:43.880 prior law enforcement experience before joining this Florida Sheriff's department, 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:47.360 but he did attend to West Point and served as 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:51.480 a Special Forces Infantry officers in the Army for ten years. 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:55.880 So one could maybe assume that the deputy's outrageous behavior 0:11:56.440 --> 0:11:59.040 was the result of some kind of PTSD from serving 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:01.800 as Special four. Like, maybe maybe I could kind of 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:03.240 explain some of what's going on here. 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:06.320 I had multiple people when I posted this on Twitter 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:09.520 be like, oh, this is maybe people with like PTSD 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:12.520 shouldn't be cops. And I had to be like, no, no. 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:16.120 No, Well see the funny thing about that is that 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:18.120 he never actually served in combat. 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:21.679 No, this guy flew a fucking desk, yeah, which, like 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:24.040 you need that in a war. But like this, this 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:27.079 man did not have any combat trauma that caused him 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:28.160 to react this way. 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:31.600 You know, like I totally I've had I've had PTSD. 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:34.880 You know, I've certainly gotten like I can get really 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:36.760 jumpy with certain sounds. 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:40.440 Yeah, that is not that six months period where fireworks 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:41.720 made us all very unhappy. 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:45.000 Yeah, like or like keys dropping was a big one 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:47.000 for me because it sounded like a tear guest canister 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:48.640 rolling on her bottles. 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:50.760 But you know when in the many times that I 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:52.880 had bottles fall near me and set me off, or 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:55.160 that fireworks went off near me and set me off, 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:57.880 I was often carrying a gun and what I never 0:12:58.000 --> 0:13:01.480 did was empty at vaguely in the direction of a car. 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:06.559 So he never saw combat. He did claim that he 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:09.600 was aware of what suppressed gunfire sounded like, and he 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:13.400 affirmed that the noise he herd reminded him of suppressed gunfire. 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:17.240 I'm sorry, bro, what the fuck? 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:20.280 Under questioning her Nada said that he did not perceive 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:23.839 any other sounds, visuals, or physical indicators of gunfire besides 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:27.760 the initial tapping sound and his upper torso feeling. In 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:29.920 the interview, he was asked why he decided to fall 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:32.080 onto the pavement, and he said, I'm not sure if 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:35.400 it was adrenaline or just what, but the numbness of 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:37.200 my legs and realizing, Okay, I'm going to be on 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:39.760 the ground, but also realizing the windows are right there, 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:42.240 you know, i need to be on the ground anyway, 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:45.120 so I'm not exposed. So yeah, and that just kind 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:47.240 of led to my legs just kind of gave out 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:51.319 on me. Fascinating. He then was asked to explain to 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:54.800 the two action roles he performed on the road, and 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:57.199 her D just replied, Uh, the. 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:00.800 Press STARNX at the same time was supposed to do 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:01.920 pretty much. 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:07.200 He said, uh, the rolling kind of reaction to what 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:10.760 was going on, and we realizing like my legs are 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:13.360 not working the way I need them to work right now, 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:16.640 but I can roll over to the next vehicle. So 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:20.240 that's kind of where I was trying to get to unquote. 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:22.560 Sure, okay, okay, bro. 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:25.800 So after his little action roles, this is where he 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:28.560 started yelling shots fired. He emptied his clip into the 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:30.880 car and told the sergeant that shots were coming from 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:33.600 this vehicle, and she began firing in the vehicle as well. 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:35.560 At what point Hernandez tried to move off to the 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:37.960 side because he was concerned about being shot by the 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:41.720 other cop. He says, when I was done engaging the vehicle, 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:43.480 I was trying to get off to the side over 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:47.160 there because I was worried about possibly having possibly me 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:48.560 being in her line of fire. 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:52.480 Now, sure, this is this is the first reasonable threat 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:55.680 that he has expressed. I would also be concerned about 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:57.760 them shooting me, and that is yes. 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:01.320 So, after Hernandez is an a explanation of events, the 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:05.040 investigator showed him video stills of an acorn coming into 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:09.880 frame and bouncing off the roof of his car. I'm 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:12.600 just gonna read directly from the from the report, quote, 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:20.760 Deputy Hernandez asked, acorn. Investigator Hogan answered, acorn, I'm quote amazing, amazing, 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:23.360 just an amazing sentence. 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:29.600 This is this is so perfectly how you would like 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:33.320 script it in a really good police procedural comedy. Like 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:36.200 if you had some A game writers on the team 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:39.240 and it's it's gonna take some really good you'd need 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:42.200 like the wire quality actors to pull those lines off. 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:45.120 Bunk and Bunk could have pulled them off right, Like. 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:47.400 There's two more lines I want I want to get 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:49.280 to before before we take an out of break here. 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:51.720 When asked if the sound he heard could have been 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:55.440 an acorn instead of supress gunfire, the deputy answered, quote, 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:58.560 I'm not gonna say no, because I mean, that's but 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:02.640 what ten seconds pause and speaking. What I heard three 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:06.480 second pause and speaking sounded almost like twelve second pause 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:09.520 and speaking. But I heard sounded what I think would 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:12.520 be louder than an acorn hitting the roof of the car. 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:14.760 But there's obviously an a chord hitting the roof of 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:16.240 a car unquote. 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:20.080 Amazing. Uh. 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:22.240 The investigator then had to ask herd d does if 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:26.520 he was in general familiar with the sound of acorns, 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:29.359 which must be so embarrassing. 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:33.000 That is that is that is a low point in 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:34.440 your career. That is. 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:38.800 Hernad has said that he was. He was then asked 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:40.400 if the sound could have been what led him to 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:43.160 believe the car theft suspect shot him, to which the 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:48.120 deputy answered, it could be seven second pause and speaking, 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:52.440 but I don't think so, but it could be uncurt great. 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:57.520 So then Hernandez's lawyer said that they could maybe watch 0:16:57.640 --> 0:17:00.400 the video again and see if see if the acorn 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:03.840 striking matches the time that he says that he heard 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:06.640 the sound, And then they deliberated for a little bit 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:10.440 and ultimately Hernandez refused to watch the video s second 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:14.880 time once he was told it was an acorn. I mean, yeah, 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:18.040 come on, what's there to do understandable? 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:20.520 No, that's uh, that's that's going to really do some 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:22.320 damage to your self esteem right there. 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:25.359 Less than a month later, just a few days before 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:28.480 a second interview was scheduled, he quit the job. 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:33.080 So you know what first decision he's made them, I mean. 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:35.920 Yeah, like, what what else can you do at this point? 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:38.880 This story starts with a bad cop, but it ends 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:39.600 with a good one. 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:42.840 Like imagine returning to work and everyone's gonna call you 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:46.360 like the acorn guy, Like you can't, you can't. It's 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:46.920 just an. 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:49.880 Anytime there's like a there's like a fucking acorn tree 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:52.560 anywhere new you get like you okay, man, okay, do 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:53.120 you need to take. 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:59.080 Him to call it? Did you call this? Hit the 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:00.480 watch out? Watch out? 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:03.000 One hundred, one hundred times a day. Guys would be 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:05.440 getting on his radio being like I just saw an acorn. 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:11.360 Dispatch, got a can you get in on a possible acorn? Negative? Negative? 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:14.600 That is a pine cone? No need for assistance, just 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:17.480 some gunfire. We're good, We're good, not an acorn. Repeat, 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:23.360 We're safe, seene is safe. No acorns in sight. All right, 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:26.920 let's let's take it out of break and we will 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:42.720 return to hear about Sergeant Robert's recollection of events. Welcome 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:46.479 back to Acorn Cop streaming now on the Discovery Channel. 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:51.720 Two cops, one acorn. No survive, Actually no, thankfully everyone survived. 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:54.280 This would be much much, much less funny. 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:56.480 We would not be laughing about this now. There is 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:59.359 some permanent psychological damage done to the guy who was 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:02.760 shot at but not shot and that is unjust and sad, 0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:06.639 yet not enough that we are not willing folks. You 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:09.040 have a right to laugh at something like this, you know, 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:11.399 even if there are some consequences to it. That's just 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:13.440 keeping yourself sane in this world. 0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:16.359 So Sergeant Roberts was a member of the Sharf's department 0:19:16.359 --> 0:19:19.520 for fifteen years. She has a bachelor's degree in criminology 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:23.480 from the Florida State University, so that's cool. She's been 0:19:24.040 --> 0:19:28.119 teaching at the Criminal Justice Standards and Training Commission for 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:32.320 ten years. So I think one thing that led to 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:34.400 some of them thinking it could have been suppressed gunfire 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:38.320 is that in the threatening messages that the suspect had 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:42.600 shown to or had sent to his girlfriend, included was 0:19:42.600 --> 0:19:45.119 a close up picture of this dark kind of gray 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:48.439 cylinder pressed up against the center of the dash in 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:51.840 his car. Less than two inches of the cylinder were visible. 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:54.720 No parts of a firearm could be seen. But they 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:59.520 believed that this was a suppressor, and the victim said 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:02.280 that he a suppressor. So I think that that's that 0:20:02.400 --> 0:20:04.560 is one thing that happened in the interview kind of 0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:08.400 or in the in the like exchange leading up to 0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:11.440 this incident. But no one got any confirmation that he 0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:13.879 had a gun on him. Again, he was searched two times. 0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:16.520 There was no gun found on him. It is possible 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:19.320 to like hide a gun on you, It is much 0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:22.840 more difficult to hide a gun with a suppressor. Like 0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:25.000 that is that is a pretty a pretty big object. 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:28.080 They are they are larger like it. Basically doubles are 0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:30.240 more than doubles the length of the firearm, and it 0:20:30.280 --> 0:20:33.600 also does so in such a way that makes it 0:20:33.680 --> 0:20:36.359 difficult to carry in a concealed fashion. 0:20:37.280 --> 0:20:40.320 So when Sergeant Roberts was collecting an affidavit about the 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:43.520 stolen car, she said that she heard quote some type 0:20:43.560 --> 0:20:48.600 of noise and shortly thereafter Jesse, who is Hernandez screaming? 0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:51.880 Shots fired? Quote. It was loud enough that it got 0:20:51.920 --> 0:20:53.560 my attention and made me think we're about to have 0:20:53.640 --> 0:20:56.520 a fight with a prisoner or the suspect. Either he's 0:20:56.600 --> 0:20:59.200 escaped somehow and Jesse is in a tussle with him. 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:00.639 I can't tell you he was that what it was, 0:21:00.720 --> 0:21:04.399 but it made me look and then immediately heard Deputy 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:08.439 Hernandez screaming. Shots fired. So Sargent and Roberts right out 0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:11.160 into the street. Quote. I saw that Hernandez was down. 0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:12.639 He had his gun point to the back of his 0:21:12.680 --> 0:21:15.760 patrol car. I was drawing my pistol and my magazine 0:21:15.760 --> 0:21:18.240 that was in my meg pouch somehow flew out again. 0:21:18.359 --> 0:21:19.680 Amazing police work. 0:21:19.640 --> 0:21:24.399 These guys incredible stuff. That's someone who never practiced. 0:21:24.560 --> 0:21:29.400 Yeah, at which point I thought there was a malfunction. 0:21:30.800 --> 0:21:32.720