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Speaker 1: and the official Dallas Cowboys at now. Here are Bill Jones,
Speaker 1: Everson Wolves, and Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 3: We are one hundred days away from kickoff in Philadelphia
Speaker 3: and this is mickshots. Unofficials start to summer. Memorial Day
Speaker 3: is over and now it's summertime, but school is still
Speaker 3: in session here. It's Ota Time, Week number two at
Speaker 3: the Star in FRISCOO.
Speaker 4: Out the other day, Yes, yep, back guy tomorrow. They
Speaker 4: go another week after this.
Speaker 3: Now they're going ten ot A sessions or nine and
Speaker 3: then nine extra one Yeah, okay nine. So they had
Speaker 3: three last week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they read this.
Speaker 3: They went Monday, Tuesday, and Thursday last week. They're going Tuesday,
Speaker 3: Wednesday and Thursday this week, and then they got three
Speaker 3: next week and then they got the mandatory mini camp
Speaker 3: the week after that.
Speaker 5: Well, I just so you know, I had a business
Speaker 5: meeting at the Cowboys Club and this short guy comes
Speaker 5: up to me.
Speaker 2: It wasn't me, he wasn't that short.
Speaker 5: No, he's and he said he called me wallpaper because
Speaker 5: he said I will stick to him.
Speaker 2: So Kelvin Martin really.
Speaker 5: Up here with his son to watch the OTA practice.
Speaker 5: He was up at the Cowboy Club.
Speaker 3: Kmart's son was a good player for one of the
Speaker 3: Kellers schools. I can't remember which one. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: The meeting was pretty important.
Speaker 5: I couldn't break away from him, but man, I hugged him,
Speaker 5: so I had my arm pit all over his face.
Speaker 2: What's what's up? But no, man, it was just good
Speaker 2: to see. He looks good too. Man.
Speaker 4: He's not sure I'd recognize him.
Speaker 2: You would.
Speaker 5: He looks exactly the same, all right, he looks exactly
Speaker 5: the same.
Speaker 2: I don't know what happened to his gray hair. It disappeared.
Speaker 3: Greatest greatest play in Kevin Martin's career was return against
Speaker 3: right exactly.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: Isn't that funny? How that was now thirty four years
Speaker 3: ago or whatever it was, and that is that's what
Speaker 3: you remembered by.
Speaker 5: My daughter said that last night. He said, you guys,
Speaker 5: you'all remember everything about sports the way that last night.
Speaker 2: Uh, that's right.
Speaker 4: He might have been, I mean, arguably one of the
Speaker 4: top third wide receivers in Cowboy history.
Speaker 2: Consistency is consistent.
Speaker 4: Third, I mean three, the third receiver.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, one of.
Speaker 6: The top third suppendable number three receiver.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Now, I guess Beasley would enter into the conversation.
Speaker 2: Preston Pearson.
Speaker 4: Preston was, yeah, but he was more of a running back.
Speaker 2: But he was third down down.
Speaker 3: It was a different era, and he didn't he would
Speaker 3: play this.
Speaker 2: He started this.
Speaker 3: Third thing, but it was but he wasn't a he
Speaker 3: wasn't a slot receiver.
Speaker 2: But yeah, slot receiver.
Speaker 3: Are you talking slot slot receiver?
Speaker 5: Yeah, album, Sorry, that slot receiver is a third down
Speaker 5: receiver talking third down you're talking Preston Pearson was the
Speaker 5: beginning of all of.
Speaker 3: That, right, and you consider it's a different era of
Speaker 3: football where you would play only two wide receivers on
Speaker 3: the field at a given time. Agreed, So he was
Speaker 3: the third receiver coming out of the backfield.
Speaker 2: But Johnson.
Speaker 4: But that's why I was trying to think, Yeah, you
Speaker 4: had you had Drew.
Speaker 6: Tony Hill and then but Johnson's not fast enough.
Speaker 4: I was, I was, I was contemplated.
Speaker 2: That's my childhood, man, That's right, that's right.
Speaker 3: Uh so good. I was good to hear that Kmart
Speaker 3: was out here, and so was it practice.
Speaker 2: Going on with where he was?
Speaker 5: He was actually out there on the y able to
Speaker 5: spy on practice from up there.
Speaker 2: No, I was had business day.
Speaker 4: Which day? Which day was it?
Speaker 2: That was Thursday?
Speaker 3: Thursday, okay, okay, So we'll rely on Mickey to give.
Speaker 4: Us a report from Wednesday.
Speaker 2: Right now.
Speaker 5: I saw, I did see Will Grier, Yeah, throwing the passes.
Speaker 5: I couldn't. I couldn't see if Dak was out there.
Speaker 5: What's the black quarterback? It wasn't Ten.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I saw Ten out there.
Speaker 6: Well, he's got a I'm sure he was out there,
Speaker 6: but I don't know if he's.
Speaker 4: Got a hell of an arm as advertised. Now, it's
Speaker 4: a matter of where he decides to throw the ball.
Speaker 2: That's the one that threw it like.
Speaker 4: And how he Oh he's got.
Speaker 2: A gunnis ball or something.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know about that. He didn't throw no
Speaker 4: tennis ball of orange? An orange? Yeah, okay, something heavy.
Speaker 3: And so an open media day was Tuesday last week
Speaker 3: at the practice. They didn't practice on Wednesday.
Speaker 2: That's right Tuesday.
Speaker 3: So we need to get Mickey's review on what he
Speaker 3: saw out on the practice. Field. That was also the
Speaker 3: day that players talked to the media, and for the
Speaker 3: veteran players, basically the first time we've heard from them
Speaker 3: since the end of the season speak of and uh
Speaker 3: so there's a lot to get to here on this
Speaker 3: edition of Mixed Shots.
Speaker 4: So I thought the practice and this was probably pretty
Speaker 4: predictable with a new coaching staff. Everything was pretty fast paced.
Speaker 4: There was no walking between drills. Guys were running.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: There was a lot of energy the coaching staff, a
Speaker 4: lot of passion, and there were some different drills they
Speaker 4: were doing. Then we've been used to and that usually happens. Uh,
Speaker 4: then we're used to seeing over the past four years.
Speaker 4: And uh, yeah, I thought it was Uh, it was good.
Speaker 4: Most everybody was there. One person was it You can
Speaker 4: guess who it was. No, Well, he's still rehabbing, so
Speaker 4: even if he was here, he wouldn't have been doing it. Mister,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be a leader. Micah Parsons wasn't leading in
Speaker 4: the OTAs.
Speaker 3: He was there on Monday.
Speaker 4: He was there Monday, Okay, but did he do anything
Speaker 4: on Monday?
Speaker 3: Oh No, I wasn't here.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So so wait, what going on here?
Speaker 2: Well, make a stand.
Speaker 4: I think he's making a somewhat of a hold in right,
Speaker 4: sort of like.
Speaker 3: If he's not here, it's not a hold in like that.
Speaker 4: No, he might be here, but he was the ot
Speaker 4: a practice hold in.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, is that sort of like what?
Speaker 6: Zach Martin the only one hearing this for the first.
Speaker 4: No, but we went in veted it last year with
Speaker 4: Zach and maybe the year before with with Ceede Lamb.
Speaker 3: San Francisco wide receiver. Last year was a holding. Uh yeah, man,
Speaker 3: he was. He was at training camp though he wasn't
Speaker 3: getting fined and but he wasn't doing anything.
Speaker 4: He got his contract, so uh but yeah, it was
Speaker 4: you know, guys that we're still rehabbing did the rehab.
Speaker 4: Although John Stevens and Revel did a little bit more
Speaker 4: uh kind of individual stuff, they didn't do any of
Speaker 4: the team stuff. Dak, I thought to me, I wrote
Speaker 4: about it on Friday. You know, everybody talked about you know,
Speaker 4: Pickens and C. D. Lamb being on the field together
Speaker 4: and this and that. But I thought the most remarkable
Speaker 4: thing was Dak was out there going through the entire
Speaker 4: practice and when they went to eleven on eleven, he
Speaker 4: was throwing and if you think about it as important
Speaker 4: as the quarterback position. Is him already being out there now.
Speaker 4: We were talking afterwards and he was telling me how,
Speaker 4: you know, well he felt can do everything. He's just
Speaker 4: not cleared for contact. And it's like, well, okay, fine,
Speaker 4: but you ain't gonna have contact in the OTAs or
Speaker 4: the mini camp, and chances are when training camp starts
Speaker 4: he may have a double red jersey on. It's like,
Speaker 4: keep your hands off from right.
Speaker 3: Uh So his first contact comes one hundred days from today.
Speaker 4: That's exactly right, because I was saying even if he
Speaker 4: and I don't think he'll play in preseason games, but
Speaker 4: if he does, seeing that he missed more than half
Speaker 4: the season last year, you know they can control by
Speaker 4: play call to keep him out of contact.
Speaker 5: I would think that he might play in the preseason.
Speaker 4: I think he might do.
Speaker 6: Something because that he would want that because.
Speaker 4: He can get They can call quick passes, little flares,
Speaker 4: just kind of get them in the rhythm of a
Speaker 4: of a game. But you're right, basically the first time
Speaker 4: he's been expose to real contract will be one hundred days.
Speaker 4: Did you stay up all night counting sheep to know
Speaker 4: how many? No?
Speaker 3: It got tweeted out today. I haven't even checked it.
Speaker 3: Tom Pellso tweeted it, and so it's one hundred days
Speaker 3: still kickoff, so he must be talking about the Cowboys
Speaker 3: Eagles game. I haven't even checked his work to make sure,
Speaker 3: but it sounded like a good round number. I thought
Speaker 3: i'd go with it.
Speaker 4: Well, so I thought that was probably to me. Anyway,
Speaker 4: if you kind of look at and I think people
Speaker 4: forget after this past year, you know the season Dak
Speaker 4: had in twenty twenty three, When I can tell you
Speaker 4: because I just have his status.
Speaker 3: And I have confirmed it in my own mind, it
Speaker 3: is one hundred days, okay, we got four days left
Speaker 3: in May, we got thirty in June, thirty one in July,
Speaker 3: thirty one in August, then four September. That adds up
Speaker 3: to one hundreds to go ahead.
Speaker 4: So anyway, Dak in twenty twenty three led the NFL
Speaker 4: in completions with second in completion percentage thirty yards, first
Speaker 4: in touchdowns with thirty six, which was one less than
Speaker 4: his club record of thirty seven single season. He was
Speaker 4: second in percentage of touchdown passes and number two in
Speaker 4: quarterback rating at one oh five point nine behind Rock
Speaker 4: Purty who was one thirteen. So he had one hell
Speaker 4: of a year in twenty twenty three when this team
Speaker 4: went twelve and five. And I think people forget that
Speaker 4: because I was at a function last a week ago
Speaker 4: and I was like, yeah, Dak, he's just overpaid this
Speaker 4: and that, and it's like, okay, but go look at
Speaker 4: his stats, and they missed him last year and he
Speaker 4: has not had a losing season other than the ones that.
Speaker 3: He got into ged which brings me. Yes, there was
Speaker 3: a ranking of quarterbacks that came out last week. I'm
Speaker 3: sure one of your well I think it may be
Speaker 3: your least favorite, but I'll just say one of your
Speaker 3: least favorite entities put out a list ranking the quarterbacks
Speaker 3: in the league, and Dak Prescott was rund twelve. No,
Speaker 3: take another wild guess eight.
Speaker 2: One of them was out. They had them had number twelve.
Speaker 3: Okay, you have, okay, twelve is your guess eight? Eight?
Speaker 3: Try seventeen, Oh Jesus, number seventeen ranked quarterbacks.
Speaker 4: And what was that based on?
Speaker 3: Well, I didn't read it to know exactly what it
Speaker 3: was based on. It was a ranking of the of
Speaker 3: the starting quarterbacks in the league. And he came in
Speaker 3: at number seventeen, which is absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 4: Well that tells you how that is what we call.
Speaker 3: Is click bait.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, that's all absolutely.
Speaker 5: And anytime there's two there's two names you can come
Speaker 5: up with for clickbait, Lebron James and Dak Prescott if
Speaker 5: you want to do well, probably Luca as well. Lucas
Speaker 5: will those three athletes right now in sports for some reason,
Speaker 5: it's for Clark.
Speaker 2: One. Yes, another one.
Speaker 4: And I better hurry up and get healthy.
Speaker 3: Well she's coming here and playing one.
Speaker 4: She's out for two weeks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's a quad of injury.
Speaker 2: Be okay, she'll be okay, she'll be here.
Speaker 3: And so producer supreme, how are you?
Speaker 2: This is mine? Thank you?
Speaker 3: So special delivery.
Speaker 2: No, no, oh this is it.
Speaker 3: That's your reading.
Speaker 5: This is the read. No, this is the rankings. Oh,
Speaker 5: this is the rankings.
Speaker 3: I thought it was your. I didn't even look at
Speaker 3: it because I figured his producer seventeen.
Speaker 2: This guy's all the quarterbacks.
Speaker 4: I want to know who's after ten?
Speaker 5: Okay, who's after ten? That's party is after ten. He's
Speaker 5: at eleven. Okay, you know Smith is ten.
Speaker 3: You want me to go through the whole thing so
Speaker 3: that you don't click on their clickbait.
Speaker 2: I'm piecemelling it to okay.
Speaker 3: One through four is mahomes Borough, Jackson, Allen. Five through
Speaker 3: eight are Hurts, Daniels, Stafford, and Herbert. That gets you, okay.
Speaker 3: Tier one was elite the top four, Tier two high
Speaker 3: end starters, where Hurts, Daniels, Stafford, and Herbert. Tier three
Speaker 3: A solid starters who have flashed high end ability. Number
Speaker 3: nine Golf ten, Gino Smith, eleven Rock Party. Tier three
Speaker 3: B solid starters, but they need more help. Twelve Jordan
Speaker 3: Love thirteen, Baker Mayfield fourteen, c J. Stroud fifteen, Kyler
Speaker 3: Murray sixteen, Trevor Lawrence seventeen, dak Press, Trevor Lawrence eighteen
Speaker 3: to uh you got bone knicks. It's basically the rest
Speaker 3: of the quarterbacks in the league. No, okay, Now that
Speaker 3: ended eighteen was the end of Tier three B. They
Speaker 3: need more help. Tier four young players with a wide
Speaker 3: range of potential outcomes. Nix young McCarthy who hadn't played.
Speaker 3: How do you rank somebody who hadn't played? So where's
Speaker 3: where's the starting may Pennix on?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 4: What what was the preface to the ranking? What they
Speaker 4: did last year.
Speaker 3: Well, it's where they rank them right now going into
Speaker 3: this season.
Speaker 4: Based on their careers.
Speaker 2: Well, it's what I don't know.
Speaker 3: You'll have to ask them. You want to get him
Speaker 3: on the show. You know, Smith.
Speaker 2: Seriously didn't play that well that badly last year.
Speaker 4: Last year? What's he done the other eight years?
Speaker 2: He showed improvement. He's trending up with as far as
Speaker 2: his improvement is concerned.
Speaker 4: But not good enough to stay where he was.
Speaker 3: But we saw Dak for six games plus part of
Speaker 3: another one last year, and prior to that what we
Speaker 3: saw from Dak. He was second in the MVP voting,
Speaker 3: but he is seventeenth best quarterback in the league.
Speaker 2: Now, No, no, let's let's be real.
Speaker 5: Not only was he high up in the voting, he
Speaker 5: had his wide receiver high up in the voting as well.
Speaker 5: So to me, that just goes to show how well
Speaker 5: Dak was playing. Not only was he a fm VP,
Speaker 5: but Ceedee Lamb was bawling right, and so that was
Speaker 5: that was Ceede's best.
Speaker 3: And keep in mind last year he did not have
Speaker 3: cde Lamb in training camp. It was he didn't sign
Speaker 3: until the week before the season started. Andy lost Brandon
Speaker 3: Cooks his number two wide receiver in the fourth game
Speaker 3: of the year, and so he didn't have him the
Speaker 3: last three or four games that he played in.
Speaker 4: And they couldn't decide who the running back was, by
Speaker 4: the way, until halfway through the season. Then the guy
Speaker 4: ran for one thousand yards and made enough money to
Speaker 4: leave here, and then he got hurt.
Speaker 5: And when you think of last year, and you think
Speaker 5: of the off season that we had last year, well,
Speaker 5: CD and DAK really didn't get a chance to work
Speaker 5: together as much as we wanted them to. If you
Speaker 5: were called, oh no and can at all, they came
Speaker 5: into the season totally not on the same page. They
Speaker 5: came into the season looking like the Green Bay playoff game.
Speaker 5: That's the way they came into the last season. And
Speaker 5: so now I'm sure DAK is like, we are not
Speaker 5: letting this crap happen again. I'm sure CD and even
Speaker 5: the coaches are like, We're gonna make sure that I
Speaker 5: caught it back in our I was get as much
Speaker 5: practice together as possible, and especially with the new number
Speaker 5: one A coming in from Pittsburgh and the.
Speaker 4: Thing that people forget about the playoff loss in twenty
Speaker 4: twenty three, the defense gave up forty eight points. It's
Speaker 4: forty eight. Go show me quarterbacks, and I looked it
Speaker 4: up once that had winning records in the playoffs when
Speaker 4: their team gave up at least thirty or more points.
Speaker 5: I think we forget about all the great quarterbacks that
Speaker 5: have come through the NFL, and we forget about those
Speaker 5: The most successful ones were the ones that had a
Speaker 5: defense that supported them.
Speaker 2: You can go all the way back through history.
Speaker 5: You can go Joe Montana, you can go Steve Young,
Speaker 5: you can even go Troy Aikman. You're talking about teams
Speaker 5: that had a defense that could counter or at least
Speaker 5: assist enhance what your office was doing.
Speaker 4: Throw in Peyton Manning and John Ellware.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 3: All right, and here's what was said about Dak Prescott.
Speaker 3: All right is number seventeen ranking here. Prescott remains the
Speaker 3: epitome of a quarterback who thrives against weaker opponents but
Speaker 3: falters when the competition stiffens. He earned a ninety point
Speaker 3: zero PFF grade in twenty twenty three, behind only Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 3: Josh Allen, and Patrick Mahomes, so that would put him
Speaker 3: as in the top tier. He was fourth bid okay,
Speaker 3: before a late season collapse ended his MVP bid. In
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, the Cowboys stumbled early and a season
Speaker 3: in the injury. Wait a second, we'll get back.
Speaker 2: We'll get back to that.
Speaker 3: In a season ending injuries sideline Prescott before he could
Speaker 3: rebound to rejoin the top ten. Conversation, he must recapture
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty three form, improved can deliver against the
Speaker 3: league's best. Now, let's go back to the late season
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty three. Yes, he had victories over Philadelphia
Speaker 3: and Detroit in the last five games of the twenty
Speaker 3: twenty three season.
Speaker 2: I don't know when the Minnesota game was, but that
Speaker 2: was Minnesota.
Speaker 3: At that time was a top tier that was second
Speaker 3: half of the year.
Speaker 2: Second half of the year. We putfore the on them, right,
Speaker 2: we before the on them? Am I right?
Speaker 4: So where were the losses?
Speaker 3: That was the Buffalo and Miami losses in December, they
Speaker 3: lost to Buffalo and Miami. Miami was a tight game
Speaker 3: basically came down to the not scoring on the goal line.
Speaker 3: And Buffalo is the game that they elected not to
Speaker 3: play a linebacker in that game, and jay Ron Curse
Speaker 3: was playing linebacker much of the game and Buffalo ran
Speaker 3: for two hundred and sixty five yards on forty nine.
Speaker 4: He's just going to bring that up.
Speaker 5: And he couldn't beat them, and we still should have
Speaker 5: beaten them, not Buffalo, but Miami. Of course, your boy,
Speaker 5: uh fumbled into the end zone, right, We fumbled into
Speaker 5: the end zone, and so that game could have been won.
Speaker 5: Fumbled into the end zone on the one yard line.
Speaker 6: I'm telling you, was the Hunter lifty because he didn't
Speaker 6: know they were handing.
Speaker 2: I was like, I remember things too.
Speaker 3: Rex Burg had never played for the Cowboy.
Speaker 2: Uh Hunter, Okay, you remember now?
Speaker 3: Yes, that was just by the way he's in the
Speaker 3: mix for in this running back situation.
Speaker 5: Still, you know what, I don't even mess with him
Speaker 5: anymore because he actually has done some a lot of
Speaker 5: good things, that's right.
Speaker 4: So I was right on him, and you know what,
Speaker 4: another that's a another off season for him. He looks bigger,
Speaker 4: almost looks like a fullback now judging from what so see,
Speaker 4: I told you this place does have no credibility whatsoever.
Speaker 3: Well, that was fun, it was Yeah, that was good.
Speaker 4: And the other thing I wanted to point out about
Speaker 4: Dak think about the injury he had Okay, and we
Speaker 4: just take for granted that, well, you just come back, right,
Speaker 4: we're talking about a hamstring ligament pulled away from the bone.
Speaker 4: I don't know if I've heard of that before.
Speaker 6: Well, I'm not just that injury. I mean he came
Speaker 6: to have the great year.
Speaker 5: He came off of a broken ankle, which is something
Speaker 5: that that was horrific to watch, and for him to come.
Speaker 6: Back from that and play as well as he did
Speaker 6: in twenty.
Speaker 4: Three, well, twenty one and twenty two.
Speaker 3: Also, Yeah, the way, now, if you're going to rank
Speaker 3: quarterbacks and you're projecting how well they'll do this year,
Speaker 3: and you're going to factor in, okay, the injury history.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying you rank him seventeenth, but that would
Speaker 3: bring him down a level just because you're not sure
Speaker 3: if he can play a full season or not, because
Speaker 3: he's had some injury issues here lately. But I mean,
Speaker 3: it's just ludacrous do go into this season saying, based
Speaker 3: on what we've seen when he has been healthy the
Speaker 3: last couple of years to rank him and the bottom
Speaker 3: half of the league is of the starting quarterbacks in
Speaker 3: the league, bottom half of the league, they just made
Speaker 3: sure they put him in the bottom half of the
Speaker 3: league at number seventeen.
Speaker 4: And that just feeds into the narrative out there that
Speaker 4: people have about him. By the way, because if and
Speaker 4: I don't care.
Speaker 2: Who we are, nice quarterback Indiana.
Speaker 4: If you don't as a quarterback win a super Bowl,
Speaker 4: no one ever changes their opinion that they had of
Speaker 4: you from the start, Right, So I always come co
Speaker 4: pared it to political candidates. If that's your guy, short
Speaker 4: of like doing something that he's got to be thrown
Speaker 4: into prison, you don't change your opinion.
Speaker 5: He and Josh Allen are on the same level, except
Speaker 5: for Josh didn't have as many injuries. Yeah, that's the
Speaker 5: difference that they have. I think both have the potential
Speaker 5: to go to the Super Bowl, did not except for
Speaker 5: the injuries. I think he and Josh Allen are very
Speaker 5: similar in the output, leadership, all of that.
Speaker 4: And other than winning the Super Bowl. People that didn't
Speaker 4: like him from the start don't change.
Speaker 2: But they love Josh though. Well, they love Josh because
Speaker 2: it's Buffalo.
Speaker 4: Why they love their teams in Buffalo.
Speaker 2: Everyone loves Buffalo.
Speaker 4: They still don't think the Stars scored the winning goal.
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Speaker 3: And everything amazing. What a long weekend did for him
Speaker 3: to get him his juices flowing again.
Speaker 4: He was chopping up the bit to get back here
Speaker 4: on Tuesdays.
Speaker 3: That's exactly right, all right, you got anything you want
Speaker 3: to go with right now, because I've got something. If
Speaker 3: you don't, no, go ahead. During the break, there was
Speaker 3: some music coming out of the cell phone of one
Speaker 3: Everson Walls over there, and he happened to be watching
Speaker 3: a music video of Savone Revel, the Cowboys' third round
Speaker 3: draft pick out of East Carolina. And I thought it
Speaker 3: was very interesting to hear Everson say this, This guy
Speaker 3: plays like me. Well, I feel like I'm watching me
Speaker 3: when I watch his highlights.
Speaker 5: I know exactly what he's doing, why he's doing it,
Speaker 5: what he's thinking while he's doing it. He's good. Now,
Speaker 5: he's good. And he's not just playing the receiver. He's
Speaker 5: playing the ball. He's playing the play, you know. So
Speaker 5: it's almost as if he knows what's coming. His anticipation
Speaker 5: is very well.
Speaker 4: Which is rather remarkable for the short college career he had, which.
Speaker 3: By the way, began at Lewisburg College in twenty twenty
Speaker 3: the Lewisbourg College Hurricanes. Of course, due to the pandemic,
Speaker 3: there was no season his freshman year, only played six
Speaker 3: games in twenty twenty one, and then he transferred to
Speaker 3: East Carolina.
Speaker 4: And played basically a season and a half two seasons.
Speaker 4: I don't know that he played the well, he got
Speaker 4: hurt in the twenty third or fourth game of the year.
Speaker 4: After the third game last year.
Speaker 5: Now, just his ability to negate the wide receiver speed
Speaker 5: is what I like about it. He positions himself within
Speaker 5: the route, within the you know, within the possession of
Speaker 5: the route.
Speaker 2: He knows. I think he had to play wide receiver.
Speaker 5: He had to have played wide receiver before because he
Speaker 5: knows what the wide receiver was trying to do as
Speaker 5: he as he runs through the ballut.
Speaker 4: I think maybe call it high school.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just the show is high school.
Speaker 2: I'm sure he played.
Speaker 6: I'm sure he played receiver, probably played both.
Speaker 3: He played. Uh let's see. He attended Richard J. Reynolds
Speaker 3: High School before transferring to Ronald Reagan High School in
Speaker 3: nearby Paftown, North Carolina. Played cornerback and wide receiver for
Speaker 3: their football team and also lettered in track and field.
Speaker 2: Now he's got he's me with with a little bit
Speaker 2: of speed.
Speaker 3: All right, So what was your playing height and weight?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 3: Six two, Well that was yours, that's what he six
Speaker 3: one in seven eight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was lying about six two thanks, yeah, because.
Speaker 3: Six one in seven eight something. Yeah, one hundred and
Speaker 3: ninety four pounds. Seriously, it was about you weren't looking
Speaker 3: at his No, no, no, that's what I was at
Speaker 3: the combine. He measured six one in seven eights, one
Speaker 3: hundred and arm lengthy arm length? What kind of arm
Speaker 3: length you have?
Speaker 2: What about? I couldn't tell.
Speaker 3: It's that long save thirty two and five eighths?
Speaker 2: Is mine as longer than that? I think?
Speaker 3: Well you'd round it off to thirty three. Now let's
Speaker 3: get and I bought your hands span.
Speaker 6: I don't know, big palms, but short in five eights.
Speaker 3: Big hands for that?
Speaker 2: Big hands?
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yeah, look at his hand, Look at his hand. Wait, no,
Speaker 3: it's better. Well he didn't run afford it.
Speaker 4: Well he did when he went to East Carolina.
Speaker 6: He runs like a four to four yes something, yes, but.
Speaker 3: He did do the bench press, and that's what I'm
Speaker 3: getting at here. Yeah, how many times.
Speaker 11: Can you bench two and twenty? I'm sure it was horrible.
Speaker 11: Well I'm for this shure to twenty five? How many
Speaker 11: times can you it wasn't ten? Okay, he's at twelve yeah,
Speaker 11: so he's got that. Yeah, he found one thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but but he's got better training though than you.
Speaker 3: I mean back and then you didn't have.
Speaker 2: I wasn't.
Speaker 6: We had to make up way to Grambling my senior
Speaker 6: year because you know, we were just that that.
Speaker 3: I bet he played center field in baseball too.
Speaker 5: He finally did in peterle League, High school people league
Speaker 5: baseball too. But no, his his, his, his ability to
Speaker 5: cut the receiver off and the gate his speed is
Speaker 5: something that he naturally does. And I think you know
Speaker 5: when you start talking about guys that kind of developed
Speaker 5: late in their careers, Uh, he's coming from here. He's
Speaker 5: not he's not trying to show you physically that he's
Speaker 5: got the greatest technique, but he's coming. He's coming from
Speaker 5: here first. So his his, his, his concentration is not
Speaker 5: on what kind of technique he has. His concentration is
Speaker 5: on where the receiver is going and how can I
Speaker 5: get the ball? Because you can see that he's always
Speaker 5: looking for the ball. And we've got digs, we've got bland.
Speaker 5: Those guys can do it well, but they want to
Speaker 5: run with the receiver. It's a challenge for them to
Speaker 5: keep up with the receiver. With guys like myself and Ravel,
Speaker 5: it's about negating your progress down the field, and now
Speaker 5: I become the receiver as opposed to being the defender.
Speaker 5: So you've got guys like Diggs and Bland who who
Speaker 5: loved the race, They love the chase. I think with
Speaker 5: this guy here, it's all about the intellect. It's all
Speaker 5: about I'm going to run the route better than you,
Speaker 5: not about speed.
Speaker 4: Speaking of Bland, in some of the defensive sets when
Speaker 4: they were eleven on eleven, Bland was working out of
Speaker 4: the lot.
Speaker 2: Was he yes, that's good, that's good.
Speaker 3: So and that's basically where he got his start in
Speaker 3: the NFL when Jordan Lewis went down with an injury.
Speaker 4: Then had and then they had another injury and he
Speaker 4: moved outside, so outside then with no digs here, Elam
Speaker 4: was at one spot.
Speaker 6: Who is a guy that.
Speaker 4: They really need to if he's got it in him
Speaker 4: to step up and become somebody that was drafted in
Speaker 4: the first round that Buffalo gave up on. So he's
Speaker 4: got some measurables and whatever that you know, and now
Speaker 4: it was a late first round pick, but if they
Speaker 4: can get something out of him, because you know, if if,
Speaker 4: if Rebel's ready and they get something out of him,
Speaker 4: and Diggs gets back at some point and Bland is
Speaker 4: on the field, then you feel better about the cornerback position.
Speaker 4: But at this point, to me, I still think they
Speaker 4: got to keep their eye on a veteran who's still
Speaker 4: out there in free agency.
Speaker 6: What about Crossing and he's another one.
Speaker 4: Can he take that next step because he got off
Speaker 4: to a good start, had the shoulder injury, had to
Speaker 4: come back from it in the off season. Now can
Speaker 4: he get back to where he was in training?
Speaker 2: Can?
Speaker 4: And those are things you really don't know until you
Speaker 4: start playing tackle football.
Speaker 5: They had a couple of DB's out there, veteran DB's,
Speaker 5: and are they still out there?
Speaker 6: Have any moves been made within the last week.
Speaker 3: There have been no moves made within the last week.
Speaker 3: And I think, Mickey, what you're talking about is this
Speaker 3: is a time where they're figuring out what they have
Speaker 3: have right and where they are in the rehab on
Speaker 3: the guys coming off injuries. And I think once we
Speaker 3: get through this three week process through the mandatory mini camp,
Speaker 3: then they'll reassess and see what they have head and forward.
Speaker 4: In the training camp because they if they've got enough
Speaker 4: there what you can call it, still out there right, Uh, Stefan.
Speaker 3: Gilmore is still out there, and there's some others too, so.
Speaker 4: And those guys don't want them, No, they don't want
Speaker 4: to go through all this, and they'll sit tight and
Speaker 4: then their their.
Speaker 3: Pay could increase depending on injuries that happened in the
Speaker 3: off season and on into training camp. Really so it
Speaker 3: may it probably be training camp before.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: But going back to our first segment, I can't stress
Speaker 5: how important it is that our quarterback is out there.
Speaker 4: Yes, that was a serious injury. I don't know that
Speaker 4: people understand that.
Speaker 2: No, I mean, I'm talking about the connection now.
Speaker 4: Oh, I know. But from a physical standpoint, we take
Speaker 4: that stuff for granted. Oh, he got hurt, he had surgery,
Speaker 4: you get back, well, not so much.
Speaker 5: I'm still extremely nervous about that injury. Why you because yeah,
Speaker 5: I've never heard of something like that happened.
Speaker 2: So and.
Speaker 4: I can't remember it was how he got tackled. I'm
Speaker 4: trying to remember what how the injury occurred.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if it occurred, but I remember it.
Speaker 4: Was shown on the throw because he couldn't step into Yeah.
Speaker 3: But he had made a run before, right, and remember
Speaker 3: he had that game. He was actually running more.
Speaker 4: All over there, so for all those people want to
Speaker 4: see him run them all more?
Speaker 3: Right, All right, now, one more break and we're back
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Speaker 3: All right, mickey, we got our final five minutes here
Speaker 3: of mixed shots for this week, and so give it
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Speaker 4: What do you guys think of the Oh, by the way,
Speaker 4: I was going to point this out, they're not playing
Speaker 4: any games on the offensive line like you know usually
Speaker 4: at this time of year when they get rookies come in,
Speaker 4: they kind of wait their turn behind the veteran. Tyler
Speaker 4: Booker is your starting right guard?
Speaker 2: Really?
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was out there first. Usually it's like, well,
Speaker 4: in deference to the veteran, this guy's got to earn
Speaker 4: his way. They ain't even be what's the number one
Speaker 4: question mark on this team? I think the number one
Speaker 4: question mark that is more prevalent than say, what's going
Speaker 4: to happen at linebacker, which I think is significant, is
Speaker 4: the running back position.
Speaker 2: What do you think go left tackle?
Speaker 4: He's a guy that has to I did a deal
Speaker 4: last week and the guys that need to take the
Speaker 4: next step. You know, we always talk about who's.
Speaker 3: The biggest jump that a player makes in his career
Speaker 3: is from the first year to the second.
Speaker 4: Well, it better be because they're counting on him. I
Speaker 4: mean that's what that's the old that's what the coaches
Speaker 4: would say, Yeah, because he jumped the first year. Everybody's
Speaker 4: not Everson Walls. They're counting on him because there's really
Speaker 4: no other alternative there that I think they'd sink their
Speaker 4: teeth into. They had awesome Richards working at guard most
Speaker 4: of the time, so at that left tackle position, he
Speaker 4: needs to make that jump to solidify that offensive line.
Speaker 5: I have to disagree, and I think I kind of
Speaker 5: go back and forth on this. I don't know how
Speaker 5: consistent I've been, but our defensive front needs to be bigger.
Speaker 2: We need some big boys. Well, we need some big boys.
Speaker 2: We need some, We need some.
Speaker 4: Now they need some bad boys.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, bad boys with big bodies. Right, you got
Speaker 2: to have a big body.
Speaker 5: I don't care how bad you are, you get your
Speaker 5: butt swallowed up down there at around two hundred and
Speaker 5: eighty pounds or whatever. You gotta have some guys closer
Speaker 5: to three hundred pounds down there in that what they
Speaker 5: call it one one technique. You gotta have some guys
Speaker 5: down there for that. Because man, we're going to come
Speaker 5: up against some running teams in the NFC East, right.
Speaker 3: Well, they're throwing a lot of seventh round draft picks
Speaker 3: at it, right, justin Rodgers last year, to Jay Toya
Speaker 3: this year, to Tommy I can bemo do b GOODU.
Speaker 4: So Solomon Thomas is going to play in there. Now,
Speaker 4: he's just a shade under three hundred.
Speaker 3: He's not one of those.
Speaker 5: If we have not shown that we can stop the
Speaker 5: run last year. What do you think they're gonna come
Speaker 5: out doing to us this year?
Speaker 4: Oh no, No, that's why guys like and you're right,
Speaker 4: it's all like seventh round or well it's.
Speaker 3: Mozzi and Mozzi's got to take.
Speaker 6: He's got to is another one of them. He's got
Speaker 6: to what's Mozzi's what's Mozi's dimensions?
Speaker 3: Well, he was listed coming out as three hundred and
Speaker 3: thirty seven pounds, okay, and he lost down to three hundred.
Speaker 2: That's the six year.
Speaker 4: They've got him listed at six three, three twenty five,
Speaker 4: so he's kind of back to where he needed whatever
Speaker 4: reason he lost that point. And then Justin Rogers is
Speaker 4: back at three twenty two.
Speaker 6: He he may have added more muscle, which which is good,
Speaker 6: equals pounds.
Speaker 4: And then the guy that's their ninety first person because
Speaker 4: he's an international guy. He grew up or was born
Speaker 4: in the Bahamas, Denzel Dackson. He's three twenty two. And
Speaker 4: then what is Joya is three forty two each the.
Speaker 3: Seventh round draft pick out of UCLA.
Speaker 4: And Ernest Brown is listed at six five, three hundred,
Speaker 4: but they've got him listed as a defensive end. So
Speaker 4: you're right on the defensive line that has to significantly
Speaker 4: change because teams ran on him last year. Still that
Speaker 4: hasn't changed, and they'll try again. But again, if that
Speaker 4: does improve, then the linebacker thing gets negated.
Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, that was next.
Speaker 4: And when they were in Nickel, the two linebackers the
Speaker 4: majority of the time that were out there were Murray,
Speaker 4: uh and Sanborn.
Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting we haven't heard much talk about
Speaker 3: Kenneth Murray.
Speaker 4: I know they've got him sign playing outside. Okay, So
Speaker 4: if it was three linebackers right now, I think it
Speaker 4: would be Leo File Murray and.
Speaker 3: So who's your green dot?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 4: Sanborne? I think believe it or not, at this point I.
Speaker 3: Thought so Sanborne was playing in the middle.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought it would be the other way around.
Speaker 3: We'll see. So Kenjick's not coming back, no, I doubt it,
Speaker 3: and Kenneth Murray takes.
Speaker 4: This spot, they would it would be a as far
Speaker 4: as salary wise, huge bonus of demon. Clark took the
Speaker 4: next step because we forget when he when he ended
Speaker 4: up starting in twenty twenty three, he led the team
Speaker 4: in tackles, by the way, and I don't know if
Speaker 4: he fell out of favor last year with how Zim
Speaker 4: was running his defense.
Speaker 3: That's the thing. It's a third different defensive coordinator in
Speaker 3: the last three years, and so you don't know what
Speaker 3: the Iberflus thinks about these linebackers, right. It could be
Speaker 3: different from what Zimmer thought, from what Quinn thought. We
Speaker 3: know what Quinn thought. He didn't after vander esh got hurt.
Speaker 3: He didn't have any linebacker.
Speaker 2: I like, like, I like, how do you say his name?
Speaker 6: I love his his his concentration is on linebacker.
Speaker 4: He was a linebacker assistant. Yeah, they had good linebackers
Speaker 4: and he I think he somewhat trusts Sanborn. He's never
Speaker 4: been a starter, but he had him with the Bears,
Speaker 4: and when they brought him in, I was thinking, well, okay,
Speaker 4: it's a special teams guy, nice backup guy that knows
Speaker 4: the coaches system well.
Speaker 3: And I assume too that he likes Kenneth Murray because
Speaker 3: that's a move that they made early on in the
Speaker 3: off season, was to trade for Kenneth Murray. And Okay,
Speaker 3: Eberflus knows what's out there in free agency. He knows
Speaker 3: what he's got on this team. He's had time to
Speaker 3: look and he knows what's around the league, and I'm
Speaker 3: sure he signed off on yeall, let's get him.
Speaker 4: And you can't hold your hat on Overshown to say
Speaker 4: he's going to be ready to season is. I don't
Speaker 4: think that's going to happen. I think he's got to
Speaker 4: start probably on.
Speaker 3: One thing about Murray about he'll be on pup to start.
Speaker 3: And then but one thing about Murray. You look at
Speaker 3: his athleticism, right, and it's a lot like Overshown and
Speaker 3: maybe could be used in a different way than what
Speaker 3: he was used either and with the Chargers or with
Speaker 3: the Titans as far as he's got the ability to
Speaker 3: get to rush as well, he's got some athleticism.
Speaker 4: And this is an experimental time, right, it's not set
Speaker 4: in stone, right because he still might be in the middle.
Speaker 3: You don't know, so what you have.
Speaker 4: It'll be interesting to watch these next couple of days
Speaker 4: if they've adjusted anything, because one thing that Schottenheimer said
Speaker 4: was they're going to give different guys opportunities to work
Speaker 4: with the first unit, just to kind of give say, okay,
Speaker 4: what you can you know, what can you do?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 4: The reviews on him, by the way, and I think
Speaker 4: that's the first time we mentioned his name from the
Speaker 4: players stamp, who's him? Schottenheimer? Remember him, he's the We're
Speaker 4: very high on some of the things that he's been
Speaker 4: trying to implement. Team building and all that stuff's great, right,
Speaker 4: but you've got to have some talent to work with, right.
Speaker 4: The fact that he's trying to get more of the
Speaker 4: guys competing, you know they've got They moved, for whatever
Speaker 4: it's worth, the ping pong table from the player's lounge
Speaker 4: into the locker room and they were actually playing, right,
Speaker 4: And there's arguments about who's the best, uh in Dak's estimate, Uh,
Speaker 4: he calls him bangor, but it's Brian Anger, the punter.
Speaker 2: He's the best.
Speaker 4: He hits the home runs and he's best at ping
Speaker 4: pong and he's not a bad punter. The other thing
Speaker 4: they've done is they've moved a basketball goal up into
Speaker 4: the offices and they're having free throw shooting contests for whatever.
Speaker 4: That's all the yeah, just to get guys to go
Speaker 4: up against each other. Right, So I think that's great
Speaker 4: and and and that's kind of his idea. I think
Speaker 4: we talked about it.
Speaker 5: When you're bringing in a lot of different guys, that
Speaker 5: could be a way for them to get to know
Speaker 5: each other.
Speaker 4: His point was, I want everybody to know that guy's story, right,
Speaker 4: you know, and just so you.
Speaker 3: Don't want him isolated off at another place, right.
Speaker 4: Okay, another reason why Michael Parsons needs to be out there.
Speaker 2: Man. That was fast.
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 3: It went by very fast.
Speaker 2: Okay.
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