WEBVTT - Selects: The Disappearance of Flight MH370, Part I

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, everybody, it's me Joshum. For this week's select I've

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<v Speaker 1>chosen our two part episode on the disappearance of MH

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<v Speaker 1>three P seventy from back in January twenty twenty. It

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<v Speaker 1>is the greatest unsolved mystery in aviation history since the

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<v Speaker 1>disappearance of Amelia Earhart and poor Fred Noonan, which is

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<v Speaker 1>really saying something. It's astounding that with a decade of

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<v Speaker 1>exhaustive time and attention, the plane still hasn't been found.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe someday, when we're mapping the entire seafloor of the

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<v Speaker 1>Indian Ocean will stumble across it, who knows. But until then,

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy this harrowing mystery episode of Stuff you Should Know.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark and

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<v Speaker 1>as Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and there's Jerry over there.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is Stuff you should Know about one of

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<v Speaker 1>the most interesting mysteries in modern times. Yeah, like it's

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<v Speaker 1>really tough to get across. What a mystery. The missing

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<v Speaker 1>airliner MH three seventy.

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<v Speaker 2>Is Malaysian Airlines Flight three seventy. Yeah, and this is

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<v Speaker 2>it's gonna be a two parter because it's pretty robust. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and boy, hats off to the Grabster. He really put

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<v Speaker 2>together a lot of great research for this one.

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<v Speaker 1>He did. I also want to give a huge shout

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<v Speaker 1>out to one of my journalistic heroes, William Langwash. He

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<v Speaker 1>wrote something he writes in the Atlantic, but he's not

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<v Speaker 1>just an Atlantic writer. He wrote what Really Happened to

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<v Speaker 1>Malaysia's Missing Airplane? Big old long article on it. And

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<v Speaker 1>this guy is an aviation expert to begin with, but

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<v Speaker 1>he's also if you ever read a Tom wolfbook or

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<v Speaker 1>article or whatever, he has a really great knack for

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<v Speaker 1>making you feel like you're there in the action. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>But then he also has a knack for making you

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<v Speaker 1>step back and think, how does Tom Wolf know all this? Was?

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<v Speaker 1>He there? William Languish is the same way. And I

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<v Speaker 1>will go ahead and recommend that you not, unless you

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<v Speaker 1>are a very courageous person, read any of his work,

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<v Speaker 1>especially the stuff about airline disasters anytime around when you're flying,

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<v Speaker 1>because he puts you in that plane when it's going

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<v Speaker 1>down or whatever. He's really really good at it. So

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<v Speaker 1>I recommend basically anything Langwich has written go read It's

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<v Speaker 1>worth it for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think this coupled with the brief times that

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<v Speaker 2>we've touched on this kind of thing in the past,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it was dB Cooper or Bermuda triangle, Like, there's

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<v Speaker 2>something about aviation disasters and mysteries that are really intriguing

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<v Speaker 2>to me. And for airline forensics, it's all Rick just

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<v Speaker 2>super super interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>It is. So you talked about airline forensics and that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of stuff. This is lousy with it. Yeah, But

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<v Speaker 1>the reason I was saying why it's tough to overstate

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<v Speaker 1>like what a mystery image three seventy is it's the

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<v Speaker 1>only airliner that has considered disappeared. Yehanished they know where

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<v Speaker 1>all the other ones are, they know what happened to

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<v Speaker 1>all the other ones. It's the only major one that

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<v Speaker 1>is just where the official investigation said we don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, and you know, in part two we'll

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<v Speaker 2>get to a pretty good well, actually, I think the

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<v Speaker 2>leading theory comes in this episode, but we kind of

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<v Speaker 2>think we know. But it's that thing where you like,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't definitively say.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I can't say where, and you can't say why.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, and then the why is yeah, and the

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<v Speaker 2>where are both really confounding.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And the reason why air travel in the twenty

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<v Speaker 1>first century is way safer than auto travel is because

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<v Speaker 1>anytime an airliner goes down, everyone in the international community

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<v Speaker 1>comes together, yeah, investigates it. They do so openly. The airline,

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<v Speaker 1>the airplane manufacturer, the everyone involved is expected to like

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<v Speaker 1>tell the truth and you get it out there and

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<v Speaker 1>you figure out what went wrong, and then you make

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<v Speaker 1>things safer, and then that makes air travel safer for everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>They couldn't do this for all sorts of reasons with

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<v Speaker 1>m Age three seventy and so it's a huge failing

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<v Speaker 1>among the international community, not for lack of trying, but

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<v Speaker 1>because it's just an asterisk out there. It's the only one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that's why airplanes don't crash as much anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, growing up, it's not like it was every

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<v Speaker 2>other week or anything. But used to hear about airline

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<v Speaker 2>crashes enough to where it gave you pause, right, and

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<v Speaker 2>you just don't hear about it much anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>It's true. I mean, it's still out there for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but they seem much more rare than they used

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<v Speaker 2>to be, kind of like skyjackings.

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<v Speaker 1>So We'll do our best to put you in the

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<v Speaker 1>in the plane in the passenger seat. Yeah, can we

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<v Speaker 1>at least be in business class? Buckle sure?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>Sure?

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<v Speaker 3>Were you about to say a buckle up?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Okay, buckle up, because we're gonna take off on

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<v Speaker 1>March eighth, twenty fourteen, in Kuala Lumpur. It's the very

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of March eighth. The takeoff schedule for Malaysian Airlines

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<v Speaker 1>Flight three seventy from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing was scheduled

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<v Speaker 1>for twelve thirty five am.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>We're in a Boeing seven seven seven DASH two hundred

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<v Speaker 2>er yep, and there are two hundred and twenty seven

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<v Speaker 2>fellow passengers aboard twelve flight crew YEP.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 1>Almost about two thirds of the passengers or Chinese nationals.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe there's a bunch of other people from other countries,

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<v Speaker 1>but for the bulk of the people on the plane

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<v Speaker 1>were from China. And it's a late night flight. It's

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<v Speaker 1>expected to arrive in Beijing at about six o'clock six

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<v Speaker 1>thirty in Beijing time, and it's going to fly over

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<v Speaker 1>the South China Sea, over the Gulf of Thailand, through Laos, Vietnam,

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<v Speaker 1>and then into China to arrive at Beijing. It didn't

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<v Speaker 1>actually take off at twelve thirty five. They took off

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<v Speaker 1>at twelve forty two. Not too shabby. Seven minutes. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not like sitting there rocking in my seat like let's

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<v Speaker 1>go yet, you know, I might not even even noticed.

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<v Speaker 1>And they take off and it flies up to eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>thousand feet and the air traffic control center at Kuala

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<v Speaker 1>Lumpur says, hey, you guys are cleared for to go

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<v Speaker 1>up to thirty five thousand feet, which is cruising altitude

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<v Speaker 1>for this flight.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>And at this point, at eighteen thousand, they switched from

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<v Speaker 2>the airport's air traffic to Kuala Lampor Area Control Center.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know the way, the reason we're mentioning all

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<v Speaker 2>these details is because it turns out they're very important.

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<v Speaker 1>Very important, yees.

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<v Speaker 3>So these are all key.

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<v Speaker 1>Keep rewinding fifteen thirty seconds to get every single detail, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>because you're gonna need them for the big finish.

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<v Speaker 2>So four minutes later, like you said, they were cleared

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<v Speaker 2>to go to thirty five thousand. Talking about fifteen minutes

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<v Speaker 2>and it's here where Captain Zahari and there were two

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<v Speaker 2>people on board flying this plane. Captain Sahari and what

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<v Speaker 2>was the other gentleman.

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<v Speaker 1>Name, First Officer Farik Abdul Hamid, right, and Captain saw

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<v Speaker 1>Zahari Ahmad Shah is piloting the plane. First Officer Hamid.

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<v Speaker 1>This is his last training flight. After this, he'll be

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<v Speaker 1>fully certified to fly Boeing seven to seventy seven's, which

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<v Speaker 1>if you're a commercial airline pilot, that's pretty much the

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<v Speaker 1>peak right there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that's important too because one of them is

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<v Speaker 2>a very experienced pilot in his fifties. The other one

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<v Speaker 2>is a brand new kind of greenhorn, and that's going

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<v Speaker 2>to factor in for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep.

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<v Speaker 3>So, like I said, it took.

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<v Speaker 2>About fifteen minutes to get to thirty five thousand feet,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is when the lead pilot radios that Kuala

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<v Speaker 2>Lampoor Control Center says we're at thirty five thousand feet.

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<v Speaker 2>Then seven minutes later he radios again says, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>we're still.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is not me doing him. I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>what he sounded like.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go, this is Captain Zahari. Yeah, everybody sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like Chuck Yeager.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I guess so.

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<v Speaker 2>So he confirmed to give that they were at thirty

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<v Speaker 2>five thousand feet. And this is where Ed points out

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<v Speaker 2>that this wasn't some sort of big alarming thing. But

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<v Speaker 2>what usually happens is you radio in when you leave

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<v Speaker 2>an altitude, not when you arrive. And you also don't

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<v Speaker 2>radio in seven minutes later and say, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>we're still at thirty five thousand feet, still here, like

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<v Speaker 2>once you hit it, you're just sort of there that

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<v Speaker 2>you're cruising altitude.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So it's it wasn't alarming or anything, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was weird that he made those two radio transmissions, but

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<v Speaker 1>there was nothing compared to the weirdness that was about

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<v Speaker 1>to take place. That's right shortly after that, I think

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<v Speaker 1>at one twenty nineteen am. Yeah, qual Umpoor Area Control Center.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like eleven minutes later.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeap said, hey, mhe three seventy you're about to leave

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<v Speaker 1>our jurisdiction and enter Ho Chi Minh's jurisdiction. Go ahead

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<v Speaker 1>and contact Ho Chi Minh air Traffic Control and let

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<v Speaker 1>them know you are on with them on this frequency.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you remember our air traffic control podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>you're handed off like, you don't just stick with one

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<v Speaker 2>air traffic control when you fly around the world. No,

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<v Speaker 2>you're handed off all along the way whenever you enter

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<v Speaker 2>the airspace of that whatever district.

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<v Speaker 1>Precisely, and the way that it's set up is there's

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<v Speaker 1>not supposed to be any time where you're just flying

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<v Speaker 1>alone and then you move into the other one. You're

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<v Speaker 1>going right from one to the other.

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<v Speaker 3>You want to hand off.

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<v Speaker 1>So Captain Zahari responded with good night Malaysian three seven zero.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are the last words anyone heard from Captain Zahari

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<v Speaker 1>as far as we know, And that in and of

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<v Speaker 1>itself was kind of an odd transmission because typically any

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<v Speaker 1>airline captain would have replied with the frequency, said the

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<v Speaker 1>frequency back to confirm that that was the right one.

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<v Speaker 1>But instead all I said was good night Malaysian three

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<v Speaker 1>seven zero. And very shortly after that, two minutes later,

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<v Speaker 1>MHE three seventy disappeared from the radar the moment it

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<v Speaker 1>showed up on ho Chi Minh air Traffic Controls radar screens.

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<v Speaker 2>It just vanished right without ever having made contact with

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<v Speaker 2>them right via radio frequency.

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<v Speaker 1>This should have like set off alarms with ho Chi

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<v Speaker 1>Minh City and apparently they did notice. Kuala Lumpur didn't notice.

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<v Speaker 1>The guy was they had all this other air traffic to.

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<v Speaker 3>Deal Yeah, and they were out of their zone at

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<v Speaker 3>this point, yep.

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<v Speaker 1>And he'd said good night, and you know everybody knows

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<v Speaker 1>good night. You can't go back on that. You have

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<v Speaker 1>to wait until tomorrow to make contact again. So the

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<v Speaker 1>kual Umpur's I don't know about blameless in this, but

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<v Speaker 1>certainly less blameful than Tochim Ho Chi Minh and Ho

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<v Speaker 1>Chi Minh noticed that they just disappeared from the screen,

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<v Speaker 1>but it took them a full eighteen minutes before they

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<v Speaker 1>called Kuala Lumpur and said, hey, do you know anything

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<v Speaker 1>about where MH three seventy is because they kind of

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<v Speaker 1>vanished from our radar.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like, I don't know the exact process, and they're defense.

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<v Speaker 2>They were trying to get in touch. It's not like

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<v Speaker 2>they just said, well, we'll see what happens. They got

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<v Speaker 2>in touch with another pilot who was nearby in that

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<v Speaker 2>airspace to contact them, and this pilot reported there was

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<v Speaker 2>interference and static. I heard mumbling on the other end,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's the last we heard and we lost connection.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, We're not even sure that he was talking to

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<v Speaker 1>the right people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so, I mean they were trying to get in touch,

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<v Speaker 2>but you're right, I think like sooner than eighteen minutes,

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<v Speaker 2>they should have said, by the way, this plane that

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<v Speaker 2>just left your airspace has disappeared, Like, do you know

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Protocol, international protocol is five minutes, okay, So they waited

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen minutes longer than protocol dictated, and it was so

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<v Speaker 1>much beyond when they should have called that. The controller

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<v Speaker 1>in Kuala Impour actually said on the record, like, why

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<v Speaker 1>didn't you call me sooner? How are you just calling

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<v Speaker 1>me about this?

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<v Speaker 3>Like that may still have been yesterday, right.

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<v Speaker 1>It's missing for eighteen minutes, which, as we'll get to

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<v Speaker 1>later on stuff that came up in the investigation, that

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<v Speaker 1>was just the first step in a series of missteps, right,

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<v Speaker 1>that led to the reason why MH three seventy may

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<v Speaker 1>never be found.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so should we take a little break and talk

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<v Speaker 2>about radar radar O'Reilly.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll be back right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Radar O'Reilly not.

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<v Speaker 2>Radar O'Reilly, radar used by air traffic control, so different.

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<v Speaker 2>It is different than radar o'reiley. This is called secondary

0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:53.439
<v Speaker 2>radar and it sends out a little beam that it's

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<v Speaker 2>very narrow and it sweeps the area, and on board

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<v Speaker 2>the aircraft they have a transponder that the Texas beam

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<v Speaker 2>and their own signal back that says this how fast

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<v Speaker 2>we're going?

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<v Speaker 3>Is where we're headed? And a code that says and

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<v Speaker 3>this is who I am?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, maybe even MH three seventy, as simple as that,

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<v Speaker 1>something like that. That's right, that's what's supposed to show

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<v Speaker 1>up on air traffic controls radar screen. That's so they

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<v Speaker 1>can see, oh, here's MH three seventy coming toward DL

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen twenty two or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>At this speed.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, they have all this information, and that's called

0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:29.160
<v Speaker 1>secondary radar. Primary radar is what you think where it's like,

0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:32.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's a blip on a screen that this big,

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<v Speaker 1>this big radar ray is bouncing off of and receiving

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<v Speaker 1>information back from. But it's just you see, it's physically there.

0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:44.640
<v Speaker 1>This has far more information, and that's what air traffic

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<v Speaker 1>control around the world uses.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And this is very key because just a few

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<v Speaker 2>seconds after it made that switch or into ho Chi

0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:57.640
<v Speaker 2>Men's airspace, the transponder stops sending information that transponder that's

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to say who you are, where you are, and

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<v Speaker 2>how going just stopped. It vanished, and this is when

0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:08.600
<v Speaker 2>the ball was dropped by a little bit by Kuala

0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:10.880
<v Speaker 2>Lamport not noticing, and definitely by ho Chi men not

0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:14.319
<v Speaker 2>doing anything immediately in response to Kuala lamp or.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So, primary radar, the radar that you typically think of

0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:23.320
<v Speaker 1>when you think of radar, there are very few places

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<v Speaker 1>in the world where you can't be tracked by someone

0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:30.400
<v Speaker 1>on radar. It's fairly old technology. It's been around for

0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:34.800
<v Speaker 1>a while. But the places where you can't be tracked

0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:38.920
<v Speaker 1>can be vast over the ocean, in the desert, over

0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:42.120
<v Speaker 1>extremely mountainous or wooded areas. There are places where you

0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:47.520
<v Speaker 1>can't really put a radar tower and you can disappear

0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:50.440
<v Speaker 1>from radar. Right there's I think what I'm trying to

0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:54.360
<v Speaker 1>say here is if you take your plane out of

0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:57.080
<v Speaker 1>radar range and you turn off your transponder, you can

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<v Speaker 1>make a modern airliner as big as a seven seventy

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<v Speaker 1>seven Vanish where people don't know where it is. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's a really I think hallmark point or trait to

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<v Speaker 1>this mystery that kind of like gets people a little

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<v Speaker 1>unnerved is wait a minute, like this is the twenty

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<v Speaker 1>first century, This happened in twenty fourteen. What do you mean?

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<v Speaker 1>There's times and situations where an airliner can disappear and

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<v Speaker 1>people don't know where it is. And that was the situation,

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<v Speaker 1>and as Ho Chi Minh City and Kualaumpur are starting

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<v Speaker 1>to scramble to try to figure out, you know, where

0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:34.000
<v Speaker 1>this is. Apparently they called Malaysian Airlines and said, hey,

0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:39.080
<v Speaker 1>do you know anything about MH three seventy. Malaysian Airlines said, oh, yeah,

0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:41.480
<v Speaker 1>they're flying over Cambodia right now, and they're like where,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you how are you seeing this? After an hour,

0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:47.000
<v Speaker 1>finally Malaysian Airlines is like, no, we're just referring to

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<v Speaker 1>the flight plan. They should be over Cambodia right now.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you mean you can't find them? What's going on?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? But because of that primary radar.

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<v Speaker 2>The secondary radar wasn't functioning like we said, because the

0:15:57.360 --> 0:16:00.920
<v Speaker 2>transponder was off, but the primary radar did track them

0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:05.720
<v Speaker 2>for about an hour after those communications dropped. Because of

0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:07.840
<v Speaker 2>the Malaysian military was able to track it with the

0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:08.680
<v Speaker 2>primary radar.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, apparently it flew through the primary radar of five

0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:16.120
<v Speaker 1>different countries and the only one that bothered to track

0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:21.320
<v Speaker 1>it was Malaysia's Air Force. Yeah, but they didn't do

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<v Speaker 1>anything about it. They didn't follow up to see who

0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:26.320
<v Speaker 1>it was, They didn't scramble any jets to go see

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<v Speaker 1>if everybody was okay, or they just knew that there

0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:32.440
<v Speaker 1>was an unidentified plane flying through Malaysian airspace and the

0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:35.120
<v Speaker 1>Air Force didn't do anything about it. This is embarrassing

0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:38.000
<v Speaker 1>enough that the Air Force didn't reveal this to anybody

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<v Speaker 1>for a while, which was a really important point because

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<v Speaker 1>during this time, about an hour, about an hour and

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<v Speaker 1>a half after the takeoff and an hour after the

0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:53.200
<v Speaker 1>thing disappeared from transponders, the Malaysian Air Force was tracking

0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:57.680
<v Speaker 1>MH three seventy and it saw that it seemed to

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<v Speaker 1>have taken a turn.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean they know what happened at this point.

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<v Speaker 2>For a little while, it made a sharp turn.

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<v Speaker 1>That was not part of the planned flight plan.

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<v Speaker 3>No, not at all.

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<v Speaker 2>This is where things definitely took a metaphorical and literal turn.

0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:16.040
<v Speaker 2>It headed southwest at that point, crossed over the Malay Peninsula,

0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:20.320
<v Speaker 2>over Malaysia again, and then parts of Thailand. Then it

0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:22.879
<v Speaker 2>made a right turn. This is very key near the

0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:25.880
<v Speaker 2>island of Penang, just put a pin in that then

0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:30.439
<v Speaker 2>headed west by northwest towards the Andaman c and then

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<v Speaker 2>at two twenty two am vanished from radar, from that

0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:35.840
<v Speaker 2>primary radar as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So the Malaysian Air Force saw this happen on

0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:43.720
<v Speaker 1>this radar, it didn't tell anybody for a while. The

0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:47.439
<v Speaker 1>flight plan had it leaving Malaysia, crossing over the Strait

0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:53.360
<v Speaker 1>of Malacca into the peninsula where Thailand is located, into

0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:58.800
<v Speaker 1>China right just away from Malaysia. And from what the

0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:01.719
<v Speaker 1>Malaysian Air Force saw, this thing doubled back on itself

0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:05.199
<v Speaker 1>and then went in some totally different directions, almost the

0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:07.960
<v Speaker 1>opposite direction it was supposed to be going in. And

0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:09.879
<v Speaker 1>like you said, it dropped off of the radar, and

0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:12.560
<v Speaker 1>that was the last time anyone saw it on radar.

0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:17.080
<v Speaker 1>But that's not the last time we were able to

0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:22.320
<v Speaker 1>track MGE three seventy And that's thanks to a satellite

0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:25.560
<v Speaker 1>network that's run by an outfit called in Marsat.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so in Marsat.

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<v Speaker 2>If you've ever been on a plane and you've enjoyed

0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:34.520
<v Speaker 2>the benefits of watching movies, streaming or connected to your

0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:38.480
<v Speaker 2>computer via Wi Fi. That is because of satellite communication.

0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:43.960
<v Speaker 2>These airplanes are equipped with a system and it transfers

0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:47.919
<v Speaker 2>data and all their voice communications via satellite. And some

0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:50.919
<v Speaker 2>of this data from the plane is automatically shared with

0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:54.160
<v Speaker 2>these ground tracking stations, which is a really big deal.

0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:56.439
<v Speaker 2>So not only are they letting you watch movies and

0:18:56.480 --> 0:18:59.800
<v Speaker 2>doing all that, but it's sending this automatic data on

0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:03.040
<v Speaker 2>a regular on the rag basically from that satellite to

0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:04.000
<v Speaker 2>these ground stations.

0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:09.879
<v Speaker 1>Right, so they think by this time, actually I believe

0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:13.760
<v Speaker 1>they know by this time m H three seventies, navigational systems,

0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:19.080
<v Speaker 1>entertainment systems, a bunch of its systems have been turned off.

0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:23.719
<v Speaker 1>The only thing that was still operating was this satellite

0:19:23.760 --> 0:19:26.560
<v Speaker 1>link I guess beacon.

0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:28.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's called a satellite data unit.

0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:31.639
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so the satellite data unit which was capable of

0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:38.440
<v Speaker 1>contacting and receiving contact from the m MAR satellites. Now,

0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:41.679
<v Speaker 1>at the time, no one knows that this is happening, right, Like,

0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:44.479
<v Speaker 1>there's no sound being made, there's nobody tracking this. This

0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:48.480
<v Speaker 1>all came out much later when in Marsat realized they

0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:52.760
<v Speaker 1>were sitting on a bunch of data. But during different

0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:58.639
<v Speaker 1>points over the next six seven hours, the satellite and

0:19:58.720 --> 0:20:01.600
<v Speaker 1>the satellite data unit talk to each other under a

0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:05.400
<v Speaker 1>few different circumstances. And because of this, this company in Marsat,

0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:09.320
<v Speaker 1>which is located a headquartered in Great Britain, but literally

0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:14.080
<v Speaker 1>covers the globe not just with airline stuff but maritime

0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:17.360
<v Speaker 1>thing which I think where they were originally they were

0:20:17.359 --> 0:20:25.040
<v Speaker 1>originally founded to do, is to enable maritime communications. Like

0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:28.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, satellite phone you're calling through in Marsat. Yeah, right,

0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:34.800
<v Speaker 1>So they've got this whole constellation of satellites and when

0:20:34.840 --> 0:20:38.119
<v Speaker 1>in Marsett heard about MH three seventy, they were like,

0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:41.239
<v Speaker 1>we're all bet our satellites were tracking this thing in

0:20:41.240 --> 0:20:42.919
<v Speaker 1>some way, shape or form. And it turns out that

0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:43.520
<v Speaker 1>they were right.

0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:46.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And there's four and this is important here. There's

0:20:46.359 --> 0:20:51.359
<v Speaker 2>four different ways or circumstances where that satellite data unit

0:20:51.400 --> 0:20:54.560
<v Speaker 2>on the plane is communicating with the satellite in space.

0:20:55.320 --> 0:20:58.640
<v Speaker 2>Whenever you're making a data transmission or a voice transmission,

0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:02.480
<v Speaker 2>whenever or someone on the ground tries to contact the plane.

0:21:03.480 --> 0:21:06.680
<v Speaker 2>There's something that happens every hour. If no one has

0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:09.240
<v Speaker 2>made either one of these contacts for an hour, you

0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:11.639
<v Speaker 2>get a check in called a handshake. It's just like

0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:14.120
<v Speaker 2>you're still here, shake hands, buddy, Yeah, just.

0:21:14.320 --> 0:21:15.919
<v Speaker 1>Want to make sure you're logged on. It's kind of

0:21:15.960 --> 0:21:19.600
<v Speaker 1>like when you watch too much Netflix, and Netflix enter

0:21:19.600 --> 0:21:24.159
<v Speaker 1>the message, yeah, have you finished all the tub of

0:21:24.160 --> 0:21:24.920
<v Speaker 1>cookie dough yet?

0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:25.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:27.880
<v Speaker 2>And then it as the thing that says go outside, right,

0:21:28.000 --> 0:21:29.879
<v Speaker 2>or actually it doesn't. It says, watch another one.

0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:31.840
<v Speaker 1>Watch some more, why not have some more cookie dough?

0:21:31.920 --> 0:21:34.159
<v Speaker 1>It's the same thing. It's it's sending a message to

0:21:34.200 --> 0:21:37.199
<v Speaker 1>the plane's satellite data unit saying like, just are you

0:21:37.240 --> 0:21:37.919
<v Speaker 1>still logged on?

0:21:38.160 --> 0:21:38.400
<v Speaker 3>Right?

0:21:38.440 --> 0:21:40.920
<v Speaker 2>And then the final thing, and this is super key,

0:21:41.160 --> 0:21:45.639
<v Speaker 2>is whenever the whenever you first log onto the satellite system,

0:21:45.680 --> 0:21:48.200
<v Speaker 2>that thing on the plane, whenever it kind of checks

0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:51.560
<v Speaker 2>in and links up. That is very key because what

0:21:51.640 --> 0:21:54.679
<v Speaker 2>can also happen if that thing goes down and then reboots.

0:21:55.000 --> 0:21:58.040
<v Speaker 2>It treats that as a new log in, so it'll

0:21:58.040 --> 0:22:00.800
<v Speaker 2>make another ping basically that it's logged done to the system.

0:22:01.080 --> 0:22:04.159
<v Speaker 1>Right. So in Marsett goes back and looks at their

0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:06.920
<v Speaker 1>data and says, okay, so here's a couple of things

0:22:06.960 --> 0:22:09.080
<v Speaker 1>right now. This is I think within the first few

0:22:09.160 --> 0:22:13.840
<v Speaker 1>days everybody is looking in the south China Sea for

0:22:14.040 --> 0:22:17.400
<v Speaker 1>MH three seventy because that was what was along its

0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:20.919
<v Speaker 1>flight plan. The Malaysian Air Force hasn't revealed yet that

0:22:21.040 --> 0:22:24.960
<v Speaker 1>it tracked MH three seventy turn around and go the

0:22:25.000 --> 0:22:28.239
<v Speaker 1>opposite direction of what its flight plan was where it

0:22:28.320 --> 0:22:31.280
<v Speaker 1>was scheduled to carry it. Yeah, and in Marsette is

0:22:31.320 --> 0:22:33.919
<v Speaker 1>now saying, wait a minute, this thing didn't crash like

0:22:33.960 --> 0:22:38.720
<v Speaker 1>an hour and a half after takeoff. This thing turned

0:22:38.720 --> 0:22:41.280
<v Speaker 1>around and flew into the Indian Ocean for six or

0:22:41.320 --> 0:22:44.879
<v Speaker 1>seven more hours because our satellite was talking to the

0:22:45.080 --> 0:22:48.480
<v Speaker 1>to the plane at various points during this time.

0:22:48.720 --> 0:22:51.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we should point out too, after Air France

0:22:51.320 --> 0:22:55.040
<v Speaker 2>flight four four seven, which crashed in two thousand and nine,

0:22:55.920 --> 0:22:57.720
<v Speaker 2>this is when in Marsette really kind of beefed up

0:22:57.760 --> 0:23:00.959
<v Speaker 2>their system. They added more ground station and they added

0:23:01.359 --> 0:23:04.879
<v Speaker 2>a lot more capability to add storage for this data

0:23:05.280 --> 0:23:07.399
<v Speaker 2>because they know that this can really help out in

0:23:07.440 --> 0:23:08.239
<v Speaker 2>situations like this.

0:23:08.400 --> 0:23:10.640
<v Speaker 1>That was a big one too. Do you remember that one?

0:23:10.720 --> 0:23:10.880
<v Speaker 3>Oh?

0:23:10.920 --> 0:23:13.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So that one was the first one that really

0:23:13.200 --> 0:23:15.439
<v Speaker 1>opened people's eyes where it was like, wait a minute,

0:23:15.560 --> 0:23:17.880
<v Speaker 1>when we're flying over the ocean, like no one knows

0:23:17.920 --> 0:23:21.480
<v Speaker 1>where we are, and they were like, no, actually not really,

0:23:22.760 --> 0:23:25.679
<v Speaker 1>and they I think that's why m MARSAT was like,

0:23:25.680 --> 0:23:27.560
<v Speaker 1>we've got to build more ground stations, we got to

0:23:27.560 --> 0:23:30.120
<v Speaker 1>bulk up our data storage all that stuff. We've got

0:23:30.160 --> 0:23:33.880
<v Speaker 1>to add more satellite capabilities, and in doing so, they

0:23:33.920 --> 0:23:36.560
<v Speaker 1>made it so that you could be tracked when you're

0:23:36.600 --> 0:23:39.080
<v Speaker 1>over the ocean, even if you didn't want to be,

0:23:39.280 --> 0:23:42.320
<v Speaker 1>as seems to have been the case with MH three seventy.

0:23:42.480 --> 0:23:45.280
<v Speaker 1>So it was a huge difference between two thousand and four,

0:23:45.880 --> 0:23:48.359
<v Speaker 1>was it two thousand and four and nine, two thousand

0:23:48.359 --> 0:23:50.840
<v Speaker 1>and nine and twenty fourteen, just five years the thing

0:23:50.880 --> 0:23:54.520
<v Speaker 1>proved itself. These upgrades they made were substantial. But Air

0:23:54.560 --> 0:23:57.399
<v Speaker 1>France flight four four seven in and of itself another

0:23:57.480 --> 0:24:00.520
<v Speaker 1>langwash gem that just puts you in the seed of

0:24:00.560 --> 0:24:04.960
<v Speaker 1>this terrifying plane crash. That one, in particular, they knew

0:24:05.000 --> 0:24:07.359
<v Speaker 1>where the plane was and it still took two years

0:24:07.680 --> 0:24:10.520
<v Speaker 1>to recover the black boxes and figure out what went wrong,

0:24:12.040 --> 0:24:14.280
<v Speaker 1>which is terrifying in it if you know what happened

0:24:14.320 --> 0:24:17.600
<v Speaker 1>to that one. Basically the controlsers got ripped away but

0:24:17.640 --> 0:24:19.879
<v Speaker 1>from the pilot and it just went right into the

0:24:19.920 --> 0:24:22.720
<v Speaker 1>ocean and they're still down there apparently there was a

0:24:22.720 --> 0:24:26.040
<v Speaker 1>big debate over what to do with these people. When

0:24:26.040 --> 0:24:29.160
<v Speaker 1>they started raising them, they were perfectly preserved because they're

0:24:29.200 --> 0:24:33.800
<v Speaker 1>so deep in the pressure and the anaerobic situation, and yeah,

0:24:33.800 --> 0:24:36.679
<v Speaker 1>the temperature just kept them perfectly preserved. But as they

0:24:36.720 --> 0:24:40.360
<v Speaker 1>were raised up into warmer waters, the decomposition over two

0:24:40.400 --> 0:24:43.760
<v Speaker 1>years just happened immediately. Man, so they I think the

0:24:43.760 --> 0:24:47.000
<v Speaker 1>French government said they have to stay there. It's now

0:24:47.000 --> 0:24:49.280
<v Speaker 1>a memorial, do not try to raise anybody. And they're

0:24:49.320 --> 0:24:54.159
<v Speaker 1>still down there, strapped to their seats, which when you

0:24:54.200 --> 0:24:56.119
<v Speaker 1>just do not think about that the next time you

0:24:56.160 --> 0:24:58.880
<v Speaker 1>get on a plane. It's a terrible thing to think about.

0:24:58.880 --> 0:24:59.760
<v Speaker 1>I can tell you first hand.

0:24:59.840 --> 0:25:03.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you've gotten so much better over the years.

0:25:04.040 --> 0:25:06.040
<v Speaker 3>But I'm sure this is going to be a setback.

0:25:07.080 --> 0:25:09.760
<v Speaker 1>No, I'm hanging in there, all right. Yeah, if it happens,

0:25:09.760 --> 0:25:12.080
<v Speaker 1>it happens like that's the way I kind.

0:25:11.880 --> 0:25:13.959
<v Speaker 3>Of Well, there's certainly nothing you can do about it.

0:25:14.040 --> 0:25:16.439
<v Speaker 1>This isn't something that they are that you guys are

0:25:16.480 --> 0:25:19.280
<v Speaker 1>going to play my memorial at my funeral, my last words.

0:25:19.320 --> 0:25:21.639
<v Speaker 1>But if you're if if I go down in a

0:25:21.680 --> 0:25:23.320
<v Speaker 1>plane crash, my number was up.

0:25:23.680 --> 0:25:25.960
<v Speaker 2>Right, and everyone else will be like, that's so weird.

0:25:26.040 --> 0:25:27.440
<v Speaker 2>He always talked about it.

0:25:27.800 --> 0:25:30.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, this was worse here, such a freak there was.

0:25:30.560 --> 0:25:33.240
<v Speaker 1>Actually I had a tweet once it said, if I

0:25:33.280 --> 0:25:35.080
<v Speaker 1>ever go down on a plane crash, I'm going to

0:25:35.119 --> 0:25:38.679
<v Speaker 1>shout I wish I would have spend more time at work.

0:25:40.800 --> 0:25:41.840
<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure I get that.

0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:43.960
<v Speaker 1>Well, you know it's like no one ever says in

0:25:44.000 --> 0:25:45.920
<v Speaker 1>their deathbed they wish they'd spend more time at work.

0:25:45.960 --> 0:25:48.280
<v Speaker 3>Well, I got it. An ironic funny on the way.

0:25:48.600 --> 0:25:50.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'll make people laugh. Good for you give them

0:25:50.840 --> 0:25:51.520
<v Speaker 1>their last laugh.

0:25:52.040 --> 0:25:55.560
<v Speaker 2>So, uh, this uh, where they're getting all this information

0:25:56.040 --> 0:25:59.040
<v Speaker 2>was from a ground station in Perth, Australia, a place

0:25:59.119 --> 0:25:59.800
<v Speaker 2>we have been to.

0:26:00.119 --> 0:26:02.600
<v Speaker 1>M it was quite lovely, lovely town.

0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:03.680
<v Speaker 3>That's right, it was great.

0:26:04.440 --> 0:26:06.720
<v Speaker 2>Anyone ever tells you don't go to Western Australia. You

0:26:06.800 --> 0:26:11.440
<v Speaker 2>tell them that's BS. Josh and Chuck said, it's great.

0:26:11.720 --> 0:26:16.600
<v Speaker 1>Yep, right, very stupid. So BS stands for So.

0:26:16.840 --> 0:26:18.920
<v Speaker 2>They had a lot of data, like we said, because

0:26:18.960 --> 0:26:21.879
<v Speaker 2>they had beefed up their storage capabilities over the past

0:26:22.240 --> 0:26:25.600
<v Speaker 2>five or six years, and they have a couple of

0:26:26.000 --> 0:26:30.359
<v Speaker 2>types of data, something called burst timing offset and burst

0:26:30.440 --> 0:26:35.720
<v Speaker 2>frequency offset bto is it measures how long that a

0:26:35.800 --> 0:26:39.119
<v Speaker 2>signal takes to reach a satellite. You know the speed

0:26:39.119 --> 0:26:41.560
<v Speaker 2>of the signal, so you know exactly how far that

0:26:41.600 --> 0:26:44.360
<v Speaker 2>plane is from the satellite at that exact moment. It's

0:26:44.440 --> 0:26:46.800
<v Speaker 2>very easy to kind of understand.

0:26:46.600 --> 0:26:51.760
<v Speaker 1>Right, and first taken into account, Mr sat has Oh,

0:26:51.800 --> 0:26:54.440
<v Speaker 1>here here was a ping. Here's a ping. Here's a ping.

0:26:54.480 --> 0:26:57.359
<v Speaker 1>Here's a ping. Right now, they're digging in to analyze

0:26:57.400 --> 0:27:00.760
<v Speaker 1>these pings and just the quality of them, the timing

0:27:00.800 --> 0:27:03.520
<v Speaker 1>of them, all this stuff, because they are like, I'm

0:27:03.600 --> 0:27:06.199
<v Speaker 1>pretty sure we can figure out where this plane was

0:27:06.280 --> 0:27:09.520
<v Speaker 1>and maybe where it went if we really drill in

0:27:09.600 --> 0:27:14.280
<v Speaker 1>and do some incredible math and figure out just kind

0:27:14.320 --> 0:27:15.919
<v Speaker 1>of the nature of these pings.

0:27:16.200 --> 0:27:18.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and what they're trying to do here is to

0:27:18.720 --> 0:27:21.480
<v Speaker 2>narrow it down into an arc instead of a circle.

0:27:21.680 --> 0:27:24.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think that's just naturally what happened. Oh yeah,

0:27:24.000 --> 0:27:24.639
<v Speaker 1>you're right, you're right.

0:27:24.640 --> 0:27:27.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry because Ed explained it in a very easy way.

0:27:27.880 --> 0:27:31.640
<v Speaker 2>If you tell someone, hey, I'm one hundred miles from Atlanta,

0:27:33.200 --> 0:27:35.919
<v Speaker 2>then you draw a circle around Atlanta. That's one hundred

0:27:35.920 --> 0:27:38.640
<v Speaker 2>miles and you could be at any point along that circle.

0:27:39.280 --> 0:27:43.199
<v Speaker 2>But if that phone call was from Athens, which is

0:27:43.200 --> 0:27:46.360
<v Speaker 2>not one hundred miles from Atlanta, but it's not too

0:27:46.359 --> 0:27:49.040
<v Speaker 2>far sixty five or so. But if you said you're

0:27:49.080 --> 0:27:52.359
<v Speaker 2>from some other city in Georgia, then you would know

0:27:52.359 --> 0:27:54.119
<v Speaker 2>where you were, and if you knew how fast they

0:27:54.200 --> 0:27:56.639
<v Speaker 2>were going, then you could. Really it doesn't become a circle,

0:27:56.680 --> 0:27:57.560
<v Speaker 2>then it becomes an arc.

0:27:57.920 --> 0:28:01.440
<v Speaker 1>Right, the number of points on that circle where that

0:28:01.480 --> 0:28:05.800
<v Speaker 1>person could possibly be smaller, yeah, much more, maybe by half,

0:28:05.840 --> 0:28:08.560
<v Speaker 1>maybe by two thirds. And yet so the circle becomes

0:28:08.560 --> 0:28:13.960
<v Speaker 1>an arc. And because of that burst timing offset, they

0:28:14.040 --> 0:28:17.720
<v Speaker 1>could establish those those arcs, and there were seven of them,

0:28:17.760 --> 0:28:21.879
<v Speaker 1>I believe, Yes, No, they could establish the circles and

0:28:21.920 --> 0:28:25.440
<v Speaker 1>then the circle because of the other one, the the BFO,

0:28:25.600 --> 0:28:31.000
<v Speaker 1>the burst frequency offset. Those are more complicated. They involved

0:28:31.000 --> 0:28:37.760
<v Speaker 1>the Doppler effect and basically tell the the satellite or

0:28:37.840 --> 0:28:40.520
<v Speaker 1>the satellite data tells MMR set we're going in this

0:28:40.640 --> 0:28:45.160
<v Speaker 1>direction because the you know, the Doppler effectiveness. An ambulance

0:28:45.200 --> 0:28:50.280
<v Speaker 1>sirens coming two years and then it passes right, changes

0:28:50.320 --> 0:28:54.000
<v Speaker 1>in pitch because of the relative distance and the direction

0:28:54.120 --> 0:28:57.840
<v Speaker 1>that it's traveling. They could tell from this ping, the

0:28:57.920 --> 0:29:01.680
<v Speaker 1>satellite ping, not even a data transmission, just a ping

0:29:03.000 --> 0:29:06.440
<v Speaker 1>which direction the thing was headed and roughly how fast

0:29:06.520 --> 0:29:09.160
<v Speaker 1>it was going, and so they were able to create

0:29:09.320 --> 0:29:12.720
<v Speaker 1>seven arcs. And after the seven arcs, the seventh arc

0:29:13.000 --> 0:29:16.360
<v Speaker 1>was created by a ping that took place at eight

0:29:16.440 --> 0:29:21.080
<v Speaker 1>nineteen am, and after that there was another There was

0:29:21.120 --> 0:29:24.440
<v Speaker 1>a log on request, a handshake request that the SDU

0:29:24.480 --> 0:29:27.760
<v Speaker 1>failed to respond to. And they think that in between

0:29:27.880 --> 0:29:31.440
<v Speaker 1>eight nineteen am and that last log on request at

0:29:32.000 --> 0:29:37.000
<v Speaker 1>nine to fifteen am, the plane finally crashed, probably from

0:29:37.080 --> 0:29:38.000
<v Speaker 1>running out of fuel.

0:29:38.280 --> 0:29:41.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they think that eight nineteen was from one

0:29:41.560 --> 0:29:44.200
<v Speaker 2>of those reboots that I was talking about when that

0:29:44.240 --> 0:29:45.960
<v Speaker 2>system comes back on, which.

0:29:45.800 --> 0:29:50.200
<v Speaker 1>Will come under power failure, right, which we'll come into

0:29:50.200 --> 0:29:52.000
<v Speaker 1>play pretty soon.

0:29:52.040 --> 0:29:54.600
<v Speaker 2>All right, So let's take another break here, Okay, all right,

0:29:54.680 --> 0:29:57.400
<v Speaker 2>we'll be back with the leading theory right after this.

0:30:23.680 --> 0:30:27.400
<v Speaker 3>All right, So the leading theory and this is.

0:30:27.640 --> 0:30:30.800
<v Speaker 2>Uh, the more I read this, the more it was

0:30:31.200 --> 0:30:34.960
<v Speaker 2>Occam's razor kind of staring you in the face. Because

0:30:35.000 --> 0:30:38.440
<v Speaker 2>we'll get into some of the kind of Kakammi theories

0:30:38.840 --> 0:30:41.280
<v Speaker 2>and there are many of them, but this one is

0:30:41.320 --> 0:30:46.280
<v Speaker 2>the simplest, and uh, it's probably what happened. It is

0:30:46.400 --> 0:30:51.400
<v Speaker 2>that Uh, someone on board and should we should we

0:30:51.440 --> 0:30:56.320
<v Speaker 2>tease this out? Yeah, okay, someone on board, Uh, took

0:30:56.320 --> 0:31:01.120
<v Speaker 2>control of the plane, disabled that transponder, and then started

0:31:01.120 --> 0:31:04.600
<v Speaker 2>flying in the other direction back across Malaysia. Then put

0:31:04.640 --> 0:31:06.920
<v Speaker 2>it on autopilot until it ran out of gas and

0:31:06.960 --> 0:31:08.040
<v Speaker 2>it crashed into the ocean.

0:31:08.160 --> 0:31:10.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, about the Southern Indian Ocean, which is where the

0:31:10.520 --> 0:31:12.280
<v Speaker 1>southern seventh arc was.

0:31:12.720 --> 0:31:13.040
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:31:13.440 --> 0:31:15.040
<v Speaker 2>One of the reasons this makes a lot of sense

0:31:15.120 --> 0:31:19.680
<v Speaker 2>is because that transponder going off at the exact moment

0:31:19.720 --> 0:31:23.360
<v Speaker 2>when the plane transitioned from Kuala Lampur's airspace into Ho

0:31:23.480 --> 0:31:26.960
<v Speaker 2>Chi Min's, it would be an incredible coincidence. If that

0:31:27.160 --> 0:31:29.480
<v Speaker 2>was just an incredible coincidence.

0:31:29.080 --> 0:31:32.760
<v Speaker 1>That in and of itself says some that there was

0:31:32.880 --> 0:31:34.360
<v Speaker 1>a human factor.

0:31:34.000 --> 0:31:36.240
<v Speaker 3>Involved, like someone knew what that meant.

0:31:36.160 --> 0:31:38.960
<v Speaker 1>Right exactly, so as somebody who knew how to do that,

0:31:39.360 --> 0:31:43.320
<v Speaker 1>when to do it, and the timing of it was

0:31:43.440 --> 0:31:46.240
<v Speaker 1>just too spectacular for it to have been an accident.

0:31:46.480 --> 0:31:49.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because what they probably counted on is exactly what happened.

0:31:50.360 --> 0:31:52.320
<v Speaker 2>Was there was a period of time. They might have

0:31:52.360 --> 0:31:55.600
<v Speaker 2>figured five minutes, which is what you said the standard was,

0:31:56.000 --> 0:31:59.320
<v Speaker 2>but what they got was eighteen minutes of confusion. Yeah,

0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:02.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean they it tripled what they were counting on

0:32:02.520 --> 0:32:03.720
<v Speaker 2>exactly best case scenario.

0:32:03.960 --> 0:32:09.080
<v Speaker 1>Yep. The other thing was that the turn that the

0:32:09.840 --> 0:32:16.840
<v Speaker 1>MH three seventy made was so abrupt that an autopilot

0:32:16.880 --> 0:32:19.440
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have done that. Now if you put it, if

0:32:19.480 --> 0:32:21.680
<v Speaker 1>you put a plane on autopilot and have it and

0:32:21.720 --> 0:32:25.400
<v Speaker 1>it turns, it would make a much wider turn. This

0:32:25.440 --> 0:32:30.120
<v Speaker 1>is a hard kind of backtracking turn that it made

0:32:30.440 --> 0:32:34.280
<v Speaker 1>to its left to the southwest from the north. Traveling

0:32:34.320 --> 0:32:37.560
<v Speaker 1>the northeast, the turn was to the southwest. So just

0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:41.800
<v Speaker 1>the turn alone, which came after the transponder was turned off,

0:32:42.800 --> 0:32:46.160
<v Speaker 1>shows that it was under human control. It was a

0:32:46.440 --> 0:32:49.480
<v Speaker 1>person piloting the plane making it turn.

0:32:49.360 --> 0:32:53.200
<v Speaker 2>Like right, and that rules out things like mechanical failure

0:32:53.440 --> 0:32:54.080
<v Speaker 2>or fire.

0:32:54.400 --> 0:32:57.520
<v Speaker 1>Everything from meteor strike ye know, a squall line to

0:32:57.920 --> 0:33:01.160
<v Speaker 1>any kind of weather it was. All that was is

0:33:01.240 --> 0:33:04.120
<v Speaker 1>ruled out by the fact that this turn took place

0:33:04.200 --> 0:33:05.479
<v Speaker 1>clearly under human control.

0:33:05.640 --> 0:33:07.600
<v Speaker 3>Right. That also rules out hypoxia.

0:33:08.200 --> 0:33:13.000
<v Speaker 2>If you remember the very eerie crash for with golfer

0:33:13.040 --> 0:33:16.280
<v Speaker 2>plane Paine Stewart on that private jet.

0:33:16.120 --> 0:33:18.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't really remember that, can you kind of refresh

0:33:18.080 --> 0:33:18.520
<v Speaker 1>my memory.

0:33:18.560 --> 0:33:21.200
<v Speaker 2>That was in nineteen ninety nine, and I think the

0:33:22.120 --> 0:33:24.760
<v Speaker 2>post mortem on that one was that this private plane

0:33:25.480 --> 0:33:30.120
<v Speaker 2>essentially everyone on board died of hypoxia, including the pilots,

0:33:30.640 --> 0:33:33.080
<v Speaker 2>and it flew for a number of hours.

0:33:33.360 --> 0:33:36.880
<v Speaker 3>Oh really on autopilot. It was a ghost plane essentially.

0:33:36.960 --> 0:33:41.600
<v Speaker 1>Wow. Yeah, So they don't think that hypoxia affected whoever

0:33:41.720 --> 0:33:42.560
<v Speaker 1>was in control of.

0:33:42.480 --> 0:33:44.000
<v Speaker 3>The plane because it made that turn.

0:33:44.640 --> 0:33:47.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was a very deliberate turn, and then it

0:33:47.560 --> 0:33:51.040
<v Speaker 1>followed an even more deliberate flight pattern after that. This

0:33:51.200 --> 0:33:54.120
<v Speaker 1>was not random movements of a plane where somebody who

0:33:54.160 --> 0:33:57.880
<v Speaker 1>was suffering from hypoxia but still alive would make. These

0:33:57.920 --> 0:34:04.280
<v Speaker 1>weren't confused decisions. They were difficult to understand decisions, but

0:34:04.320 --> 0:34:08.000
<v Speaker 1>they weren't random and confused behavior. They were deliberate.

0:34:08.200 --> 0:34:08.680
<v Speaker 3>That's right.

0:34:08.719 --> 0:34:11.200
<v Speaker 1>So one of the pilots or both of the pilots

0:34:11.200 --> 0:34:15.759
<v Speaker 1>suffering from hypoxia is ruled out, And the fact that

0:34:15.760 --> 0:34:18.080
<v Speaker 1>they were deliberate turns also rules out the idea that

0:34:18.960 --> 0:34:22.920
<v Speaker 1>both of the pilots were dead. Right that again, it

0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:24.600
<v Speaker 1>was just the plane flying itself.

0:34:24.760 --> 0:34:28.960
<v Speaker 2>Right, These log on requests by that STU unit on

0:34:29.040 --> 0:34:32.839
<v Speaker 2>the plane. There was another big clue there because there

0:34:32.840 --> 0:34:35.719
<v Speaker 2>was a log on request made at one forty three am,

0:34:36.840 --> 0:34:39.400
<v Speaker 2>and that basically says that the power on the plane's

0:34:39.400 --> 0:34:42.640
<v Speaker 2>electrical system was shut off for a period of time

0:34:43.080 --> 0:34:46.600
<v Speaker 2>in between that transponder disappearing and that time of that

0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:51.120
<v Speaker 2>log on request. Right, So someone like purposely disabled, purposefully

0:34:51.320 --> 0:34:52.840
<v Speaker 2>disabled these systems.

0:34:52.560 --> 0:34:58.120
<v Speaker 1>Right, So one forty three am would have been about

0:34:58.160 --> 0:35:02.880
<v Speaker 1>an hour after take off, just over an hour after takeoff,

0:35:04.200 --> 0:35:07.200
<v Speaker 1>after the transponder was turned off with perfect timing between

0:35:07.280 --> 0:35:12.560
<v Speaker 1>Kuala Lumpur and Ho Chi Minh, but also before the

0:35:12.680 --> 0:35:17.319
<v Speaker 1>turn that the Malaysian Air Force track. That's right, or

0:35:17.360 --> 0:35:18.400
<v Speaker 1>at about the same time.

0:35:19.040 --> 0:35:19.279
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:35:20.320 --> 0:35:23.399
<v Speaker 2>The other thing that could have happened when these when

0:35:23.400 --> 0:35:26.239
<v Speaker 2>the transponder and the SDU were shut off, it could

0:35:26.320 --> 0:35:31.080
<v Speaker 2>have depressurized the plane. If that happens, then hypoxya is

0:35:31.120 --> 0:35:33.879
<v Speaker 2>the fear those oxygen masks are going to drop down,

0:35:34.400 --> 0:35:36.799
<v Speaker 2>but you only get about ten minutes of oxygen as

0:35:36.840 --> 0:35:39.480
<v Speaker 2>a passenger. The cockpit is going to have a lot

0:35:39.640 --> 0:35:43.239
<v Speaker 2>more oxygen than that. But we do know for a

0:35:43.280 --> 0:35:45.719
<v Speaker 2>fact from that log on request that the systems were

0:35:45.760 --> 0:35:48.920
<v Speaker 2>off for an hour, So even if that were the case,

0:35:49.640 --> 0:35:53.200
<v Speaker 2>then the masks run out ten minutes later, and the

0:35:53.200 --> 0:35:56.319
<v Speaker 2>people die of hypoxy at the passengers shortly after that.

0:35:56.640 --> 0:36:00.200
<v Speaker 1>The thing is is they believe that not only is

0:36:00.360 --> 0:36:04.360
<v Speaker 1>MH three seventy still at cruising altitude, it probably actually

0:36:04.440 --> 0:36:08.640
<v Speaker 1>climbed to forty thousand, maybe a little over forty thousand feet.

0:36:08.960 --> 0:36:12.719
<v Speaker 1>It's basically the maximum that seventy seven could stay aloft at.

0:36:13.360 --> 0:36:17.520
<v Speaker 1>So the drop down masks would have been totally useless

0:36:17.880 --> 0:36:20.000
<v Speaker 1>to begin with. There's not enough oxygen coming through them

0:36:20.000 --> 0:36:22.760
<v Speaker 1>to offset that kind of height in the pressurized cabin

0:36:22.960 --> 0:36:25.480
<v Speaker 1>that's meant for a much lower altitude, and the reason

0:36:25.520 --> 0:36:29.560
<v Speaker 1>why I found it very disconcerting to learn that there's

0:36:29.600 --> 0:36:32.160
<v Speaker 1>only like ten or fifteen minutes worth of oxygen coming

0:36:32.200 --> 0:36:33.040
<v Speaker 1>out of those masks.

0:36:33.280 --> 0:36:35.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's the idea there that a plane crash

0:36:35.160 --> 0:36:36.239
<v Speaker 2>doesn't take longer than that.

0:36:36.400 --> 0:36:41.279
<v Speaker 1>The idea is that it's used for an emergency transitioned

0:36:41.320 --> 0:36:44.000
<v Speaker 1>down to a much lower altitude where you could breathe

0:36:44.000 --> 0:36:46.719
<v Speaker 1>without a pressurized cabin, and that that takes less than

0:36:46.760 --> 0:36:48.480
<v Speaker 1>ten or fifteen minutes. You can do that much more

0:36:48.600 --> 0:36:50.200
<v Speaker 1>quickly a few minutes.

0:36:49.920 --> 0:36:52.120
<v Speaker 3>So basically you're gonna start flying with your own oxygen tank.

0:36:52.280 --> 0:36:54.879
<v Speaker 1>Basically, I'll be like, try to take it away from

0:36:54.880 --> 0:36:56.239
<v Speaker 1>the tip. You can't do it.

0:36:57.640 --> 0:36:59.840
<v Speaker 2>Here's another thing is that that sdu log on re

0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:04.360
<v Speaker 2>quest at the end. It suggests that it was turned

0:37:04.360 --> 0:37:08.920
<v Speaker 2>back on. And the thinking here is that whoever did this,

0:37:10.440 --> 0:37:13.120
<v Speaker 2>it probably didn't care at that point because it was

0:37:13.160 --> 0:37:16.279
<v Speaker 2>too late because everyone on board was dead, right.

0:37:16.560 --> 0:37:19.600
<v Speaker 1>So the idea behind all this is that the power

0:37:19.680 --> 0:37:21.600
<v Speaker 1>was shut off, and they know that the power was

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<v Speaker 1>turned off because the log on request came at a

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<v Speaker 1>certain point, right, So that means that the power had

0:37:29.400 --> 0:37:31.520
<v Speaker 1>been shut off and it was coming back on. And

0:37:31.560 --> 0:37:34.360
<v Speaker 1>they think that it was to depressurize the cabin. And

0:37:34.400 --> 0:37:37.200
<v Speaker 1>be a very easy way to depressurize the cabin just

0:37:37.600 --> 0:37:38.840
<v Speaker 1>turn off all of the power.

0:37:39.320 --> 0:37:42.560
<v Speaker 2>And then maybe whoever did this, and we'll get to that,

0:37:43.440 --> 0:37:45.360
<v Speaker 2>it was like, I want to get back down to

0:37:45.440 --> 0:37:48.520
<v Speaker 2>normal cruising altitude here, so I can fly this plane

0:37:49.800 --> 0:37:52.359
<v Speaker 2>without wearing a mask maybe, or just in a less

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<v Speaker 2>stressful environment, right.

0:37:53.640 --> 0:37:55.960
<v Speaker 1>Exactly, Maybe go get a bite to eat or something

0:37:56.040 --> 0:37:58.880
<v Speaker 1>like that. There's a lot that can be done in

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<v Speaker 1>a pressurized cabin.

0:38:00.120 --> 0:38:02.319
<v Speaker 2>And then there was that final arc, the seventh one

0:38:03.080 --> 0:38:06.160
<v Speaker 2>that log on request was probably the plane running out

0:38:06.160 --> 0:38:08.960
<v Speaker 2>of fuel. And this I thought was super interesting. So

0:38:09.080 --> 0:38:11.879
<v Speaker 2>the plane runs out of fuel, those engines shut down,

0:38:12.600 --> 0:38:16.680
<v Speaker 2>but there's still air pumping through those turbines, and that's

0:38:16.719 --> 0:38:20.040
<v Speaker 2>going to spin the turbine and that's certainly not going

0:38:20.080 --> 0:38:22.120
<v Speaker 2>to be enough to fly your plane, but it could

0:38:22.120 --> 0:38:24.480
<v Speaker 2>be enough to act as a generator and power up

0:38:24.520 --> 0:38:25.880
<v Speaker 2>the auxiliary power system.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, super super interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So in the running out of fuel, electrical goes down,

0:38:32.600 --> 0:38:36.160
<v Speaker 1>those air ramjets come on, and the auxiliary power system

0:38:36.239 --> 0:38:38.160
<v Speaker 1>comes on. The thing logs back on.

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<v Speaker 3>Just enough to get that going again.

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<v Speaker 1>Right exactly. So let's just before we stop for this episode, Chuck,

0:38:44.800 --> 0:38:46.960
<v Speaker 1>let's just kind of recamp what m mar said has

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<v Speaker 1>been able to figure out from seven pings between its

0:38:51.400 --> 0:38:55.440
<v Speaker 1>satellite and the satellite data unit seven pings. They dove

0:38:55.520 --> 0:38:58.200
<v Speaker 1>into these things so deeply that they were able to

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<v Speaker 1>figure out that the flight did not crash, that there

0:39:03.640 --> 0:39:06.920
<v Speaker 1>was probably a hypoxia event among the cabin, that it

0:39:06.960 --> 0:39:11.640
<v Speaker 1>was deliberate, and that the plane kept flying, not that

0:39:11.719 --> 0:39:13.879
<v Speaker 1>it did not crush, but that it kept flying for

0:39:14.160 --> 0:39:17.080
<v Speaker 1>at least six more hours and finally did probably crash.

0:39:17.120 --> 0:39:20.680
<v Speaker 1>In the southern Indian Ocean, all from seven little pings

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<v Speaker 1>between the plane and the satellite.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the final little clue here from the satellite

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<v Speaker 2>is the ELT emergency transmitter failed, its emergency location transmitter,

0:39:33.520 --> 0:39:38.800
<v Speaker 2>and that's linked to a different satellite system. And one person,

0:39:39.120 --> 0:39:41.359
<v Speaker 2>if your conspiracy minded, might say, well, you know what

0:39:41.400 --> 0:39:44.440
<v Speaker 2>this means. It didn't actually crash into the ocean. But

0:39:44.600 --> 0:39:48.160
<v Speaker 2>these ELTs apparently have a pretty low success rate, and

0:39:48.600 --> 0:39:51.239
<v Speaker 2>when you dive into the ocean with no power, it's

0:39:51.280 --> 0:39:55.080
<v Speaker 2>at tremendous speed and that would have been enough probably

0:39:55.120 --> 0:39:57.360
<v Speaker 2>to destroy the plane instantly.

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<v Speaker 1>And this ELT, there's another. So there's four I think

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<v Speaker 1>on the plane. Did you say that.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't say four, So I believe.

0:40:04.239 --> 0:40:06.839
<v Speaker 1>There's four on the plane. One of them like they

0:40:06.840 --> 0:40:07.799
<v Speaker 1>can be disabled.

0:40:08.000 --> 0:40:09.480
<v Speaker 3>It's not a black box, by the way.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, this is just a beacon that's pings

0:40:12.320 --> 0:40:15.640
<v Speaker 1>a satellite, but isn't even a different satellite from MMR SAT.

0:40:15.880 --> 0:40:18.640
<v Speaker 1>So it's like an extra fail safe. And this means

0:40:18.680 --> 0:40:22.080
<v Speaker 1>that they all four of them failed, which again some

0:40:22.120 --> 0:40:26.520
<v Speaker 1>people think that's evidence right there that this thing didn't

0:40:26.520 --> 0:40:29.040
<v Speaker 1>actually crash. We'll talk about that in the next episode

0:40:29.120 --> 0:40:29.720
<v Speaker 1>about that.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, I think we don't do listener mails on

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