1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's me Joshum. For this week's select I've 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: chosen our two part episode on the disappearance of MH 3 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: three P seventy from back in January twenty twenty. It 4 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: is the greatest unsolved mystery in aviation history since the 5 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: disappearance of Amelia Earhart and poor Fred Noonan, which is 6 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: really saying something. It's astounding that with a decade of 7 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: exhaustive time and attention, the plane still hasn't been found. 8 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: Maybe someday, when we're mapping the entire seafloor of the 9 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: Indian Ocean will stumble across it, who knows. But until then, 10 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: enjoy this harrowing mystery episode of Stuff you Should Know. 11 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 2: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio. 12 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark and 13 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: as Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and there's Jerry over there. 14 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: And this is Stuff you should Know about one of 15 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: the most interesting mysteries in modern times. Yeah, like it's 16 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: really tough to get across. What a mystery. The missing 17 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: airliner MH three seventy. 18 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 2: Is Malaysian Airlines Flight three seventy. Yeah, and this is 19 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 2: it's gonna be a two parter because it's pretty robust. Yeah, 20 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 2: and boy, hats off to the Grabster. He really put 21 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 2: together a lot of great research for this one. 22 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 1: He did. I also want to give a huge shout 23 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: out to one of my journalistic heroes, William Langwash. He 24 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 1: wrote something he writes in the Atlantic, but he's not 25 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: just an Atlantic writer. He wrote what Really Happened to 26 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: Malaysia's Missing Airplane? Big old long article on it. And 27 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: this guy is an aviation expert to begin with, but 28 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: he's also if you ever read a Tom wolfbook or 29 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: article or whatever, he has a really great knack for 30 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: making you feel like you're there in the action. Yeah, 31 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: But then he also has a knack for making you 32 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: step back and think, how does Tom Wolf know all this? Was? 33 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: He there? William Languish is the same way. And I 34 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: will go ahead and recommend that you not, unless you 35 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: are a very courageous person, read any of his work, 36 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: especially the stuff about airline disasters anytime around when you're flying, 37 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: because he puts you in that plane when it's going 38 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: down or whatever. He's really really good at it. So 39 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: I recommend basically anything Langwich has written go read It's 40 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: worth it for sure. 41 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. 42 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 2: And I think this coupled with the brief times that 43 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 2: we've touched on this kind of thing in the past, 44 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:35,119 Speaker 2: whether it was dB Cooper or Bermuda triangle, Like, there's 45 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 2: something about aviation disasters and mysteries that are really intriguing 46 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 2: to me. And for airline forensics, it's all Rick just 47 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 2: super super interesting. 48 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: It is. So you talked about airline forensics and that 49 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: kind of stuff. This is lousy with it. Yeah, But 50 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: the reason I was saying why it's tough to overstate 51 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 1: like what a mystery image three seventy is it's the 52 00:02:55,080 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: only airliner that has considered disappeared. Yehanished they know where 53 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: all the other ones are, they know what happened to 54 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: all the other ones. It's the only major one that 55 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: is just where the official investigation said we don't know. 56 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and you know, in part two we'll 57 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 2: get to a pretty good well, actually, I think the 58 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 2: leading theory comes in this episode, but we kind of 59 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 2: think we know. But it's that thing where you like, 60 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 2: you can't definitively say. 61 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't say where, and you can't say why. 62 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, and then the why is yeah, and the 63 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 2: where are both really confounding. 64 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, And the reason why air travel in the twenty 65 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: first century is way safer than auto travel is because 66 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: anytime an airliner goes down, everyone in the international community 67 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: comes together, yeah, investigates it. They do so openly. The airline, 68 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: the airplane manufacturer, the everyone involved is expected to like 69 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: tell the truth and you get it out there and 70 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: you figure out what went wrong, and then you make 71 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: things safer, and then that makes air travel safer for everybody. 72 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: They couldn't do this for all sorts of reasons with 73 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: m Age three seventy and so it's a huge failing 74 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: among the international community, not for lack of trying, but 75 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: because it's just an asterisk out there. It's the only one. 76 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's why airplanes don't crash as much anymore. 77 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 2: I mean, growing up, it's not like it was every 78 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,919 Speaker 2: other week or anything. But used to hear about airline 79 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 2: crashes enough to where it gave you pause, right, and 80 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 2: you just don't hear about it much anymore. 81 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 1: It's true. I mean, it's still out there for sure. 82 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, but they seem much more rare than they used 83 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 2: to be, kind of like skyjackings. 84 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: So We'll do our best to put you in the 85 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: in the plane in the passenger seat. Yeah, can we 86 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: at least be in business class? Buckle sure? 87 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 3: Okay? 88 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 1: Sure? 89 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 3: Were you about to say a buckle up? 90 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, buckle up, because we're gonna take off on 91 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: March eighth, twenty fourteen, in Kuala Lumpur. It's the very 92 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: beginning of March eighth. The takeoff schedule for Malaysian Airlines 93 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: Flight three seventy from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing was scheduled 94 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 1: for twelve thirty five am. 95 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 3: That's right. 96 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 2: We're in a Boeing seven seven seven DASH two hundred 97 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 2: er yep, and there are two hundred and twenty seven 98 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 2: fellow passengers aboard twelve flight crew YEP. 99 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:20,799 Speaker 3: It's a lot of people. 100 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:24,359 Speaker 1: Almost about two thirds of the passengers or Chinese nationals. 101 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: I believe there's a bunch of other people from other countries, 102 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: but for the bulk of the people on the plane 103 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: were from China. And it's a late night flight. It's 104 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 1: expected to arrive in Beijing at about six o'clock six 105 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,359 Speaker 1: thirty in Beijing time, and it's going to fly over 106 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: the South China Sea, over the Gulf of Thailand, through Laos, Vietnam, 107 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: and then into China to arrive at Beijing. It didn't 108 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 1: actually take off at twelve thirty five. They took off 109 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: at twelve forty two. Not too shabby. Seven minutes. I'm 110 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: not like sitting there rocking in my seat like let's 111 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 1: go yet, you know, I might not even even noticed. 112 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: And they take off and it flies up to eighteen 113 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: thousand feet and the air traffic control center at Kuala 114 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 1: Lumpur says, hey, you guys are cleared for to go 115 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: up to thirty five thousand feet, which is cruising altitude 116 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 1: for this flight. 117 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 3: I think that's right. 118 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 2: And at this point, at eighteen thousand, they switched from 119 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:28,919 Speaker 2: the airport's air traffic to Kuala Lampor Area Control Center. 120 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 1: Yeah. 121 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 2: And you know the way, the reason we're mentioning all 122 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 2: these details is because it turns out they're very important. 123 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: Very important, yees. 124 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 3: So these are all key. 125 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: Keep rewinding fifteen thirty seconds to get every single detail, okay, 126 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: because you're gonna need them for the big finish. 127 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 2: So four minutes later, like you said, they were cleared 128 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 2: to go to thirty five thousand. Talking about fifteen minutes 129 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 2: and it's here where Captain Zahari and there were two 130 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 2: people on board flying this plane. Captain Sahari and what 131 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 2: was the other gentleman. 132 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: Name, First Officer Farik Abdul Hamid, right, and Captain saw 133 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:09,239 Speaker 1: Zahari Ahmad Shah is piloting the plane. First Officer Hamid. 134 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: This is his last training flight. After this, he'll be 135 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: fully certified to fly Boeing seven to seventy seven's, which 136 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: if you're a commercial airline pilot, that's pretty much the 137 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: peak right there. 138 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's important too because one of them is 139 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 2: a very experienced pilot in his fifties. The other one 140 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 2: is a brand new kind of greenhorn, and that's going 141 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 2: to factor in for sure. 142 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: Yep. 143 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 3: So, like I said, it took. 144 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 2: About fifteen minutes to get to thirty five thousand feet, 145 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 2: and this is when the lead pilot radios that Kuala 146 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 2: Lampoor Control Center says we're at thirty five thousand feet. 147 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 2: Then seven minutes later he radios again says, by the way, 148 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 2: we're still. 149 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 3: And this is not me doing him. I don't know 150 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 3: what he sounded like. 151 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: There you go, this is Captain Zahari. Yeah, everybody sounds 152 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: like Chuck Yeager. 153 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess so. 154 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 2: So he confirmed to give that they were at thirty 155 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 2: five thousand feet. And this is where Ed points out 156 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 2: that this wasn't some sort of big alarming thing. But 157 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 2: what usually happens is you radio in when you leave 158 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 2: an altitude, not when you arrive. And you also don't 159 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 2: radio in seven minutes later and say, by the way, 160 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 2: we're still at thirty five thousand feet, still here, like 161 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 2: once you hit it, you're just sort of there that 162 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 2: you're cruising altitude. 163 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: Right, So it's it wasn't alarming or anything, but it 164 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: was weird that he made those two radio transmissions, but 165 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: there was nothing compared to the weirdness that was about 166 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: to take place. That's right shortly after that, I think 167 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: at one twenty nineteen am. Yeah, qual Umpoor Area Control Center. 168 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 3: It's like eleven minutes later. 169 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: Yeap said, hey, mhe three seventy you're about to leave 170 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: our jurisdiction and enter Ho Chi Minh's jurisdiction. Go ahead 171 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: and contact Ho Chi Minh air Traffic Control and let 172 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:58,959 Speaker 1: them know you are on with them on this frequency. 173 00:08:59,200 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. 174 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 2: I mean, if you remember our air traffic control podcast, 175 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 2: you're handed off like, you don't just stick with one 176 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 2: air traffic control when you fly around the world. No, 177 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 2: you're handed off all along the way whenever you enter 178 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,479 Speaker 2: the airspace of that whatever district. 179 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: Precisely, and the way that it's set up is there's 180 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: not supposed to be any time where you're just flying 181 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: alone and then you move into the other one. You're 182 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: going right from one to the other. 183 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 3: You want to hand off. 184 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: So Captain Zahari responded with good night Malaysian three seven zero. 185 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: Those are the last words anyone heard from Captain Zahari 186 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: as far as we know, And that in and of 187 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: itself was kind of an odd transmission because typically any 188 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: airline captain would have replied with the frequency, said the 189 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: frequency back to confirm that that was the right one. 190 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: But instead all I said was good night Malaysian three 191 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: seven zero. And very shortly after that, two minutes later, 192 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: MHE three seventy disappeared from the radar the moment it 193 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: showed up on ho Chi Minh air Traffic Controls radar screens. 194 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 2: It just vanished right without ever having made contact with 195 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 2: them right via radio frequency. 196 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: This should have like set off alarms with ho Chi 197 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: Minh City and apparently they did notice. Kuala Lumpur didn't notice. 198 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 1: The guy was they had all this other air traffic to. 199 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 3: Deal Yeah, and they were out of their zone at 200 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 3: this point, yep. 201 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: And he'd said good night, and you know everybody knows 202 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: good night. You can't go back on that. You have 203 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 1: to wait until tomorrow to make contact again. So the 204 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: kual Umpur's I don't know about blameless in this, but 205 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: certainly less blameful than Tochim Ho Chi Minh and Ho 206 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: Chi Minh noticed that they just disappeared from the screen, 207 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: but it took them a full eighteen minutes before they 208 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: called Kuala Lumpur and said, hey, do you know anything 209 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: about where MH three seventy is because they kind of 210 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: vanished from our radar. 211 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, I don't know the exact process, and they're defense. 212 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 2: They were trying to get in touch. It's not like 213 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 2: they just said, well, we'll see what happens. They got 214 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 2: in touch with another pilot who was nearby in that 215 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 2: airspace to contact them, and this pilot reported there was 216 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 2: interference and static. I heard mumbling on the other end, 217 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 2: but that's the last we heard and we lost connection. 218 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: Right, We're not even sure that he was talking to 219 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 1: the right people. 220 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I mean they were trying to get in touch, 221 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 2: but you're right, I think like sooner than eighteen minutes, 222 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 2: they should have said, by the way, this plane that 223 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 2: just left your airspace has disappeared, Like, do you know 224 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 2: what's going on? 225 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 3: Right? 226 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: Protocol, international protocol is five minutes, okay, So they waited 227 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: thirteen minutes longer than protocol dictated, and it was so 228 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:41,119 Speaker 1: much beyond when they should have called that. The controller 229 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: in Kuala Impour actually said on the record, like, why 230 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 1: didn't you call me sooner? How are you just calling 231 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: me about this? 232 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 3: Like that may still have been yesterday, right. 233 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,839 Speaker 1: It's missing for eighteen minutes, which, as we'll get to 234 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 1: later on stuff that came up in the investigation, that 235 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: was just the first step in a series of missteps, right, 236 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:02,719 Speaker 1: that led to the reason why MH three seventy may 237 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: never be found. 238 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, so should we take a little break and talk 239 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 2: about radar radar O'Reilly. 240 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 3: We'll be back right after this. 241 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: Radar O'Reilly not. 242 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 2: Radar O'Reilly, radar used by air traffic control, so different. 243 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:50,079 Speaker 2: It is different than radar o'reiley. This is called secondary 244 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:53,439 Speaker 2: radar and it sends out a little beam that it's 245 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 2: very narrow and it sweeps the area, and on board 246 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 2: the aircraft they have a transponder that the Texas beam 247 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 2: and their own signal back that says this how fast 248 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 2: we're going? 249 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 3: Is where we're headed? And a code that says and 250 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 3: this is who I am? 251 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe even MH three seventy, as simple as that, 252 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: something like that. That's right, that's what's supposed to show 253 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: up on air traffic controls radar screen. That's so they 254 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 1: can see, oh, here's MH three seventy coming toward DL 255 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: seventeen twenty two or whatever. 256 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 3: At this speed. 257 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, they have all this information, and that's called 258 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: secondary radar. Primary radar is what you think where it's like, 259 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: you know, it's a blip on a screen that this big, 260 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: this big radar ray is bouncing off of and receiving 261 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: information back from. But it's just you see, it's physically there. 262 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: This has far more information, and that's what air traffic 263 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 1: control around the world uses. 264 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 2: Right, And this is very key because just a few 265 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 2: seconds after it made that switch or into ho Chi 266 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 2: Men's airspace, the transponder stops sending information that transponder that's 267 00:13:57,640 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 2: supposed to say who you are, where you are, and 268 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 2: how going just stopped. It vanished, and this is when 269 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 2: the ball was dropped by a little bit by Kuala 270 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 2: Lamport not noticing, and definitely by ho Chi men not 271 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:14,319 Speaker 2: doing anything immediately in response to Kuala lamp or. 272 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 3: Right. 273 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: So, primary radar, the radar that you typically think of 274 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: when you think of radar, there are very few places 275 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: in the world where you can't be tracked by someone 276 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: on radar. It's fairly old technology. It's been around for 277 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: a while. But the places where you can't be tracked 278 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: can be vast over the ocean, in the desert, over 279 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: extremely mountainous or wooded areas. There are places where you 280 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: can't really put a radar tower and you can disappear 281 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: from radar. Right there's I think what I'm trying to 282 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: say here is if you take your plane out of 283 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: radar range and you turn off your transponder, you can 284 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: make a modern airliner as big as a seven seventy 285 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: seven Vanish where people don't know where it is. And 286 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: that's a really I think hallmark point or trait to 287 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: this mystery that kind of like gets people a little 288 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: unnerved is wait a minute, like this is the twenty 289 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: first century, This happened in twenty fourteen. What do you mean? 290 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: There's times and situations where an airliner can disappear and 291 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: people don't know where it is. And that was the situation, 292 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: and as Ho Chi Minh City and Kualaumpur are starting 293 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: to scramble to try to figure out, you know, where 294 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: this is. Apparently they called Malaysian Airlines and said, hey, 295 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: do you know anything about MH three seventy. Malaysian Airlines said, oh, yeah, 296 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: they're flying over Cambodia right now, and they're like where, 297 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: what do you how are you seeing this? After an hour, 298 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: finally Malaysian Airlines is like, no, we're just referring to 299 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: the flight plan. They should be over Cambodia right now. 300 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: What do you mean you can't find them? What's going on? 301 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 3: Yeah? But because of that primary radar. 302 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 2: The secondary radar wasn't functioning like we said, because the 303 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 2: transponder was off, but the primary radar did track them 304 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 2: for about an hour after those communications dropped. Because of 305 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 2: the Malaysian military was able to track it with the 306 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 2: primary radar. 307 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, apparently it flew through the primary radar of five 308 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: different countries and the only one that bothered to track 309 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: it was Malaysia's Air Force. Yeah, but they didn't do 310 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: anything about it. They didn't follow up to see who 311 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: it was, They didn't scramble any jets to go see 312 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: if everybody was okay, or they just knew that there 313 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: was an unidentified plane flying through Malaysian airspace and the 314 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: Air Force didn't do anything about it. This is embarrassing 315 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: enough that the Air Force didn't reveal this to anybody 316 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: for a while, which was a really important point because 317 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: during this time, about an hour, about an hour and 318 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: a half after the takeoff and an hour after the 319 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: thing disappeared from transponders, the Malaysian Air Force was tracking 320 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: MH three seventy and it saw that it seemed to 321 00:16:57,840 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: have taken a turn. 322 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they know what happened at this point. 323 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 2: For a little while, it made a sharp turn. 324 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: That was not part of the planned flight plan. 325 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 3: No, not at all. 326 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 2: This is where things definitely took a metaphorical and literal turn. 327 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 2: It headed southwest at that point, crossed over the Malay Peninsula, 328 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 2: over Malaysia again, and then parts of Thailand. Then it 329 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 2: made a right turn. This is very key near the 330 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 2: island of Penang, just put a pin in that then 331 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:30,439 Speaker 2: headed west by northwest towards the Andaman c and then 332 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:34,199 Speaker 2: at two twenty two am vanished from radar, from that 333 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 2: primary radar as well. 334 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 1: Right, So the Malaysian Air Force saw this happen on 335 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: this radar, it didn't tell anybody for a while. The 336 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 1: flight plan had it leaving Malaysia, crossing over the Strait 337 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:53,360 Speaker 1: of Malacca into the peninsula where Thailand is located, into 338 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: China right just away from Malaysia. And from what the 339 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,719 Speaker 1: Malaysian Air Force saw, this thing doubled back on itself 340 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:05,199 Speaker 1: and then went in some totally different directions, almost the 341 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: opposite direction it was supposed to be going in. And 342 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 1: like you said, it dropped off of the radar, and 343 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: that was the last time anyone saw it on radar. 344 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: But that's not the last time we were able to 345 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: track MGE three seventy And that's thanks to a satellite 346 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: network that's run by an outfit called in Marsat. 347 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, so in Marsat. 348 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,880 Speaker 2: If you've ever been on a plane and you've enjoyed 349 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 2: the benefits of watching movies, streaming or connected to your 350 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 2: computer via Wi Fi. That is because of satellite communication. 351 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 2: These airplanes are equipped with a system and it transfers 352 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:47,919 Speaker 2: data and all their voice communications via satellite. And some 353 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 2: of this data from the plane is automatically shared with 354 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 2: these ground tracking stations, which is a really big deal. 355 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 2: So not only are they letting you watch movies and 356 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 2: doing all that, but it's sending this automatic data on 357 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 2: a regular on the rag basically from that satellite to 358 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 2: these ground stations. 359 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 1: Right, so they think by this time, actually I believe 360 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: they know by this time m H three seventies, navigational systems, 361 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: entertainment systems, a bunch of its systems have been turned off. 362 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:23,719 Speaker 1: The only thing that was still operating was this satellite 363 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: link I guess beacon. 364 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's called a satellite data unit. 365 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: Okay, so the satellite data unit which was capable of 366 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: contacting and receiving contact from the m MAR satellites. Now, 367 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 1: at the time, no one knows that this is happening, right, Like, 368 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,479 Speaker 1: there's no sound being made, there's nobody tracking this. This 369 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: all came out much later when in Marsat realized they 370 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: were sitting on a bunch of data. But during different 371 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 1: points over the next six seven hours, the satellite and 372 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: the satellite data unit talk to each other under a 373 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 1: few different circumstances. And because of this, this company in Marsat, 374 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: which is located a headquartered in Great Britain, but literally 375 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: covers the globe not just with airline stuff but maritime 376 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 1: thing which I think where they were originally they were 377 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: originally founded to do, is to enable maritime communications. Like 378 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 1: you know, satellite phone you're calling through in Marsat. Yeah, right, 379 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: So they've got this whole constellation of satellites and when 380 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 1: in Marsett heard about MH three seventy, they were like, 381 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,239 Speaker 1: we're all bet our satellites were tracking this thing in 382 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:42,919 Speaker 1: some way, shape or form. And it turns out that 383 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: they were right. 384 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's four and this is important here. There's 385 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 2: four different ways or circumstances where that satellite data unit 386 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 2: on the plane is communicating with the satellite in space. 387 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,640 Speaker 2: Whenever you're making a data transmission or a voice transmission, 388 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 2: whenever or someone on the ground tries to contact the plane. 389 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 2: There's something that happens every hour. If no one has 390 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 2: made either one of these contacts for an hour, you 391 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 2: get a check in called a handshake. It's just like 392 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 2: you're still here, shake hands, buddy, Yeah, just. 393 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:15,919 Speaker 1: Want to make sure you're logged on. It's kind of 394 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: like when you watch too much Netflix, and Netflix enter 395 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 1: the message, yeah, have you finished all the tub of 396 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 1: cookie dough yet? 397 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 3: Yeah? 398 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 2: And then it as the thing that says go outside, right, 399 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 2: or actually it doesn't. It says, watch another one. 400 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: Watch some more, why not have some more cookie dough? 401 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 1: It's the same thing. It's it's sending a message to 402 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 1: the plane's satellite data unit saying like, just are you 403 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:37,919 Speaker 1: still logged on? 404 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:38,400 Speaker 3: Right? 405 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 2: And then the final thing, and this is super key, 406 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 2: is whenever the whenever you first log onto the satellite system, 407 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 2: that thing on the plane, whenever it kind of checks 408 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 2: in and links up. That is very key because what 409 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,679 Speaker 2: can also happen if that thing goes down and then reboots. 410 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 2: It treats that as a new log in, so it'll 411 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 2: make another ping basically that it's logged done to the system. 412 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 1: Right. So in Marsett goes back and looks at their 413 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 1: data and says, okay, so here's a couple of things 414 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: right now. This is I think within the first few 415 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: days everybody is looking in the south China Sea for 416 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 1: MH three seventy because that was what was along its 417 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 1: flight plan. The Malaysian Air Force hasn't revealed yet that 418 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: it tracked MH three seventy turn around and go the 419 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,239 Speaker 1: opposite direction of what its flight plan was where it 420 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: was scheduled to carry it. Yeah, and in Marsette is 421 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,919 Speaker 1: now saying, wait a minute, this thing didn't crash like 422 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: an hour and a half after takeoff. This thing turned 423 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: around and flew into the Indian Ocean for six or 424 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 1: seven more hours because our satellite was talking to the 425 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: to the plane at various points during this time. 426 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, and we should point out too, after Air France 427 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 2: flight four four seven, which crashed in two thousand and nine, 428 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 2: this is when in Marsette really kind of beefed up 429 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,959 Speaker 2: their system. They added more ground station and they added 430 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 2: a lot more capability to add storage for this data 431 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 2: because they know that this can really help out in 432 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:08,239 Speaker 2: situations like this. 433 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 1: That was a big one too. Do you remember that one? 434 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 3: Oh? 435 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, So that one was the first one that really 436 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 1: opened people's eyes where it was like, wait a minute, 437 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 1: when we're flying over the ocean, like no one knows 438 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: where we are, and they were like, no, actually not really, 439 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 1: and they I think that's why m MARSAT was like, 440 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: we've got to build more ground stations, we got to 441 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,120 Speaker 1: bulk up our data storage all that stuff. We've got 442 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 1: to add more satellite capabilities, and in doing so, they 443 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: made it so that you could be tracked when you're 444 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: over the ocean, even if you didn't want to be, 445 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: as seems to have been the case with MH three seventy. 446 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: So it was a huge difference between two thousand and four, 447 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: was it two thousand and four and nine, two thousand 448 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: and nine and twenty fourteen, just five years the thing 449 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: proved itself. These upgrades they made were substantial. But Air 450 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 1: France flight four four seven in and of itself another 451 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: langwash gem that just puts you in the seed of 452 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: this terrifying plane crash. That one, in particular, they knew 453 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 1: where the plane was and it still took two years 454 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: to recover the black boxes and figure out what went wrong, 455 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: which is terrifying in it if you know what happened 456 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: to that one. Basically the controlsers got ripped away but 457 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 1: from the pilot and it just went right into the 458 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: ocean and they're still down there apparently there was a 459 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: big debate over what to do with these people. When 460 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 1: they started raising them, they were perfectly preserved because they're 461 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: so deep in the pressure and the anaerobic situation, and yeah, 462 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 1: the temperature just kept them perfectly preserved. But as they 463 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,360 Speaker 1: were raised up into warmer waters, the decomposition over two 464 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: years just happened immediately. Man, so they I think the 465 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: French government said they have to stay there. It's now 466 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: a memorial, do not try to raise anybody. And they're 467 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 1: still down there, strapped to their seats, which when you 468 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 1: just do not think about that the next time you 469 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,880 Speaker 1: get on a plane. It's a terrible thing to think about. 470 00:24:58,880 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: I can tell you first hand. 471 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, you've gotten so much better over the years. 472 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 3: But I'm sure this is going to be a setback. 473 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: No, I'm hanging in there, all right. Yeah, if it happens, 474 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: it happens like that's the way I kind. 475 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,959 Speaker 3: Of Well, there's certainly nothing you can do about it. 476 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,439 Speaker 1: This isn't something that they are that you guys are 477 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: going to play my memorial at my funeral, my last words. 478 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 1: But if you're if if I go down in a 479 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: plane crash, my number was up. 480 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 2: Right, and everyone else will be like, that's so weird. 481 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 2: He always talked about it. 482 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, this was worse here, such a freak there was. 483 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: Actually I had a tweet once it said, if I 484 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: ever go down on a plane crash, I'm going to 485 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 1: shout I wish I would have spend more time at work. 486 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 3: I'm not sure I get that. 487 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: Well, you know it's like no one ever says in 488 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 1: their deathbed they wish they'd spend more time at work. 489 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 3: Well, I got it. An ironic funny on the way. 490 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll make people laugh. Good for you give them 491 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: their last laugh. 492 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 2: So, uh, this uh, where they're getting all this information 493 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 2: was from a ground station in Perth, Australia, a place 494 00:25:59,119 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 2: we have been to. 495 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: M it was quite lovely, lovely town. 496 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 3: That's right, it was great. 497 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 2: Anyone ever tells you don't go to Western Australia. You 498 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 2: tell them that's BS. Josh and Chuck said, it's great. 499 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: Yep, right, very stupid. So BS stands for So. 500 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 2: They had a lot of data, like we said, because 501 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 2: they had beefed up their storage capabilities over the past 502 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 2: five or six years, and they have a couple of 503 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 2: types of data, something called burst timing offset and burst 504 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 2: frequency offset bto is it measures how long that a 505 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 2: signal takes to reach a satellite. You know the speed 506 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 2: of the signal, so you know exactly how far that 507 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,360 Speaker 2: plane is from the satellite at that exact moment. It's 508 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 2: very easy to kind of understand. 509 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: Right, and first taken into account, Mr sat has Oh, 510 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 1: here here was a ping. Here's a ping. Here's a ping. 511 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 1: Here's a ping. Right now, they're digging in to analyze 512 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: these pings and just the quality of them, the timing 513 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: of them, all this stuff, because they are like, I'm 514 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,199 Speaker 1: pretty sure we can figure out where this plane was 515 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: and maybe where it went if we really drill in 516 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: and do some incredible math and figure out just kind 517 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 1: of the nature of these pings. 518 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and what they're trying to do here is to 519 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 2: narrow it down into an arc instead of a circle. 520 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: Well, I think that's just naturally what happened. Oh yeah, 521 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 1: you're right, you're right. 522 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 2: I'm sorry because Ed explained it in a very easy way. 523 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,640 Speaker 2: If you tell someone, hey, I'm one hundred miles from Atlanta, 524 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,919 Speaker 2: then you draw a circle around Atlanta. That's one hundred 525 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 2: miles and you could be at any point along that circle. 526 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:43,199 Speaker 2: But if that phone call was from Athens, which is 527 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,360 Speaker 2: not one hundred miles from Atlanta, but it's not too 528 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 2: far sixty five or so. But if you said you're 529 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 2: from some other city in Georgia, then you would know 530 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 2: where you were, and if you knew how fast they 531 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,639 Speaker 2: were going, then you could. Really it doesn't become a circle, 532 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 2: then it becomes an arc. 533 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 1: Right, the number of points on that circle where that 534 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: person could possibly be smaller, yeah, much more, maybe by half, 535 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: maybe by two thirds. And yet so the circle becomes 536 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: an arc. And because of that burst timing offset, they 537 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: could establish those those arcs, and there were seven of them, 538 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 1: I believe, Yes, No, they could establish the circles and 539 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,440 Speaker 1: then the circle because of the other one, the the BFO, 540 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: the burst frequency offset. Those are more complicated. They involved 541 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: the Doppler effect and basically tell the the satellite or 542 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: the satellite data tells MMR set we're going in this 543 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: direction because the you know, the Doppler effectiveness. An ambulance 544 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: sirens coming two years and then it passes right, changes 545 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: in pitch because of the relative distance and the direction 546 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 1: that it's traveling. They could tell from this ping, the 547 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: satellite ping, not even a data transmission, just a ping 548 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: which direction the thing was headed and roughly how fast 549 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: it was going, and so they were able to create 550 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: seven arcs. And after the seven arcs, the seventh arc 551 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: was created by a ping that took place at eight 552 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 1: nineteen am, and after that there was another There was 553 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: a log on request, a handshake request that the SDU 554 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: failed to respond to. And they think that in between 555 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: eight nineteen am and that last log on request at 556 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: nine to fifteen am, the plane finally crashed, probably from 557 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: running out of fuel. 558 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, and they think that eight nineteen was from one 559 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 2: of those reboots that I was talking about when that 560 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 2: system comes back on, which. 561 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: Will come under power failure, right, which we'll come into 562 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: play pretty soon. 563 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 2: All right, So let's take another break here, Okay, all right, 564 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 2: we'll be back with the leading theory right after this. 565 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 3: All right, So the leading theory and this is. 566 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 2: Uh, the more I read this, the more it was 567 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 2: Occam's razor kind of staring you in the face. Because 568 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 2: we'll get into some of the kind of Kakammi theories 569 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 2: and there are many of them, but this one is 570 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 2: the simplest, and uh, it's probably what happened. It is 571 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 2: that Uh, someone on board and should we should we 572 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 2: tease this out? Yeah, okay, someone on board, Uh, took 573 00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 2: control of the plane, disabled that transponder, and then started 574 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 2: flying in the other direction back across Malaysia. Then put 575 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 2: it on autopilot until it ran out of gas and 576 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 2: it crashed into the ocean. 577 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, about the Southern Indian Ocean, which is where the 578 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: southern seventh arc was. 579 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 3: Right. 580 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 2: One of the reasons this makes a lot of sense 581 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 2: is because that transponder going off at the exact moment 582 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 2: when the plane transitioned from Kuala Lampur's airspace into Ho 583 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 2: Chi Min's, it would be an incredible coincidence. If that 584 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 2: was just an incredible coincidence. 585 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: That in and of itself says some that there was 586 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: a human factor. 587 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 3: Involved, like someone knew what that meant. 588 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 1: Right exactly, so as somebody who knew how to do that, 589 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: when to do it, and the timing of it was 590 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 1: just too spectacular for it to have been an accident. 591 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, because what they probably counted on is exactly what happened. 592 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 2: Was there was a period of time. They might have 593 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 2: figured five minutes, which is what you said the standard was, 594 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 2: but what they got was eighteen minutes of confusion. Yeah, 595 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 2: I mean they it tripled what they were counting on 596 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 2: exactly best case scenario. 597 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: Yep. The other thing was that the turn that the 598 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: MH three seventy made was so abrupt that an autopilot 599 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: wouldn't have done that. Now if you put it, if 600 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: you put a plane on autopilot and have it and 601 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: it turns, it would make a much wider turn. This 602 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: is a hard kind of backtracking turn that it made 603 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 1: to its left to the southwest from the north. Traveling 604 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 1: the northeast, the turn was to the southwest. So just 605 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: the turn alone, which came after the transponder was turned off, 606 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: shows that it was under human control. It was a 607 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: person piloting the plane making it turn. 608 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 2: Like right, and that rules out things like mechanical failure 609 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 2: or fire. 610 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: Everything from meteor strike ye know, a squall line to 611 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 1: any kind of weather it was. All that was is 612 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: ruled out by the fact that this turn took place 613 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:05,479 Speaker 1: clearly under human control. 614 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 3: Right. That also rules out hypoxia. 615 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 2: If you remember the very eerie crash for with golfer 616 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 2: plane Paine Stewart on that private jet. 617 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: I don't really remember that, can you kind of refresh 618 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 1: my memory. 619 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 2: That was in nineteen ninety nine, and I think the 620 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 2: post mortem on that one was that this private plane 621 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 2: essentially everyone on board died of hypoxia, including the pilots, 622 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 2: and it flew for a number of hours. 623 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 3: Oh really on autopilot. It was a ghost plane essentially. 624 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, So they don't think that hypoxia affected whoever 625 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: was in control of. 626 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 3: The plane because it made that turn. 627 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a very deliberate turn, and then it 628 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: followed an even more deliberate flight pattern after that. This 629 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: was not random movements of a plane where somebody who 630 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 1: was suffering from hypoxia but still alive would make. These 631 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 1: weren't confused decisions. They were difficult to understand decisions, but 632 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: they weren't random and confused behavior. They were deliberate. 633 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 3: That's right. 634 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 1: So one of the pilots or both of the pilots 635 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:15,759 Speaker 1: suffering from hypoxia is ruled out, And the fact that 636 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 1: they were deliberate turns also rules out the idea that 637 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,920 Speaker 1: both of the pilots were dead. Right that again, it 638 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: was just the plane flying itself. 639 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 2: Right, These log on requests by that STU unit on 640 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,839 Speaker 2: the plane. There was another big clue there because there 641 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 2: was a log on request made at one forty three am, 642 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 2: and that basically says that the power on the plane's 643 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 2: electrical system was shut off for a period of time 644 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 2: in between that transponder disappearing and that time of that 645 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 2: log on request. Right, So someone like purposely disabled, purposefully 646 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 2: disabled these systems. 647 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: Right, So one forty three am would have been about 648 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:02,880 Speaker 1: an hour after take off, just over an hour after takeoff, 649 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 1: after the transponder was turned off with perfect timing between 650 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 1: Kuala Lumpur and Ho Chi Minh, but also before the 651 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:17,319 Speaker 1: turn that the Malaysian Air Force track. That's right, or 652 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 1: at about the same time. 653 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 3: Right. 654 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,399 Speaker 2: The other thing that could have happened when these when 655 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,239 Speaker 2: the transponder and the SDU were shut off, it could 656 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 2: have depressurized the plane. If that happens, then hypoxya is 657 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,879 Speaker 2: the fear those oxygen masks are going to drop down, 658 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,799 Speaker 2: but you only get about ten minutes of oxygen as 659 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 2: a passenger. The cockpit is going to have a lot 660 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 2: more oxygen than that. But we do know for a 661 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,719 Speaker 2: fact from that log on request that the systems were 662 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 2: off for an hour, So even if that were the case, 663 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 2: then the masks run out ten minutes later, and the 664 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,319 Speaker 2: people die of hypoxy at the passengers shortly after that. 665 00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 1: The thing is is they believe that not only is 666 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,360 Speaker 1: MH three seventy still at cruising altitude, it probably actually 667 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 1: climbed to forty thousand, maybe a little over forty thousand feet. 668 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 1: It's basically the maximum that seventy seven could stay aloft at. 669 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 1: So the drop down masks would have been totally useless 670 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 1: to begin with. There's not enough oxygen coming through them 671 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,760 Speaker 1: to offset that kind of height in the pressurized cabin 672 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 1: that's meant for a much lower altitude, and the reason 673 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 1: why I found it very disconcerting to learn that there's 674 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: only like ten or fifteen minutes worth of oxygen coming 675 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 1: out of those masks. 676 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 2: I mean, there's the idea there that a plane crash 677 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 2: doesn't take longer than that. 678 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:41,279 Speaker 1: The idea is that it's used for an emergency transitioned 679 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 1: down to a much lower altitude where you could breathe 680 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 1: without a pressurized cabin, and that that takes less than 681 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 1: ten or fifteen minutes. You can do that much more 682 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 1: quickly a few minutes. 683 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 3: So basically you're gonna start flying with your own oxygen tank. 684 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,879 Speaker 1: Basically, I'll be like, try to take it away from 685 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 1: the tip. You can't do it. 686 00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,840 Speaker 2: Here's another thing is that that sdu log on re 687 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,360 Speaker 2: quest at the end. It suggests that it was turned 688 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 2: back on. And the thinking here is that whoever did this, 689 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 2: it probably didn't care at that point because it was 690 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,279 Speaker 2: too late because everyone on board was dead, right. 691 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 1: So the idea behind all this is that the power 692 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 1: was shut off, and they know that the power was 693 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:25,839 Speaker 1: turned off because the log on request came at a 694 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,399 Speaker 1: certain point, right, So that means that the power had 695 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,520 Speaker 1: been shut off and it was coming back on. And 696 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,360 Speaker 1: they think that it was to depressurize the cabin. And 697 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 1: be a very easy way to depressurize the cabin just 698 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:38,840 Speaker 1: turn off all of the power. 699 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 2: And then maybe whoever did this, and we'll get to that, 700 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,360 Speaker 2: it was like, I want to get back down to 701 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,520 Speaker 2: normal cruising altitude here, so I can fly this plane 702 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,359 Speaker 2: without wearing a mask maybe, or just in a less 703 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:53,760 Speaker 2: stressful environment, right. 704 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 1: Exactly, Maybe go get a bite to eat or something 705 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,880 Speaker 1: like that. There's a lot that can be done in 706 00:37:58,880 --> 00:37:59,800 Speaker 1: a pressurized cabin. 707 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,319 Speaker 2: And then there was that final arc, the seventh one 708 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,160 Speaker 2: that log on request was probably the plane running out 709 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 2: of fuel. And this I thought was super interesting. So 710 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,879 Speaker 2: the plane runs out of fuel, those engines shut down, 711 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:16,680 Speaker 2: but there's still air pumping through those turbines, and that's 712 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 2: going to spin the turbine and that's certainly not going 713 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,120 Speaker 2: to be enough to fly your plane, but it could 714 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 2: be enough to act as a generator and power up 715 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:25,880 Speaker 2: the auxiliary power system. 716 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 3: That's right, super super interesting. 717 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:32,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, So in the running out of fuel, electrical goes down, 718 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 1: those air ramjets come on, and the auxiliary power system 719 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 1: comes on. The thing logs back on. 720 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:39,719 Speaker 3: Just enough to get that going again. 721 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 1: Right exactly. So let's just before we stop for this episode, Chuck, 722 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 1: let's just kind of recamp what m mar said has 723 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:51,400 Speaker 1: been able to figure out from seven pings between its 724 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,440 Speaker 1: satellite and the satellite data unit seven pings. They dove 725 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,200 Speaker 1: into these things so deeply that they were able to 726 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:03,520 Speaker 1: figure out that the flight did not crash, that there 727 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,920 Speaker 1: was probably a hypoxia event among the cabin, that it 728 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 1: was deliberate, and that the plane kept flying, not that 729 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,879 Speaker 1: it did not crush, but that it kept flying for 730 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 1: at least six more hours and finally did probably crash. 731 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,680 Speaker 1: In the southern Indian Ocean, all from seven little pings 732 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,399 Speaker 1: between the plane and the satellite. 733 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:24,319 Speaker 3: That's right. 734 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,160 Speaker 2: And then the final little clue here from the satellite 735 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:32,920 Speaker 2: is the ELT emergency transmitter failed, its emergency location transmitter, 736 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:38,800 Speaker 2: and that's linked to a different satellite system. And one person, 737 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,359 Speaker 2: if your conspiracy minded, might say, well, you know what 738 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,440 Speaker 2: this means. It didn't actually crash into the ocean. But 739 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,160 Speaker 2: these ELTs apparently have a pretty low success rate, and 740 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,239 Speaker 2: when you dive into the ocean with no power, it's 741 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:55,080 Speaker 2: at tremendous speed and that would have been enough probably 742 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,360 Speaker 2: to destroy the plane instantly. 743 00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:01,359 Speaker 1: And this ELT, there's another. So there's four I think 744 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 1: on the plane. Did you say that. 745 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,520 Speaker 3: I didn't say four, So I believe. 746 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,839 Speaker 1: There's four on the plane. One of them like they 747 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:07,799 Speaker 1: can be disabled. 748 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,480 Speaker 3: It's not a black box, by the way. 749 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,280 Speaker 1: No, no, no, this is just a beacon that's pings 750 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,640 Speaker 1: a satellite, but isn't even a different satellite from MMR SAT. 751 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,640 Speaker 1: So it's like an extra fail safe. And this means 752 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:22,080 Speaker 1: that they all four of them failed, which again some 753 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:26,520 Speaker 1: people think that's evidence right there that this thing didn't 754 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 1: actually crash. We'll talk about that in the next episode 755 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:29,720 Speaker 1: about that. 756 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,080 Speaker 2: All right, I think we don't do listener mails on 757 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,799 Speaker 2: a part one no, so just strap in and I 758 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:37,719 Speaker 2: hope you can hold off from researching for a couple 759 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:38,279 Speaker 2: of days on this. 760 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,520 Speaker 1: Way, maybe you have a bloody Mary while you're waiting. Agreed, Well, anyway, 761 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:42,920 Speaker 1: in the meantime, if you want to get in touch 762 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:44,359 Speaker 1: with us, you can go on to stuff you Should 763 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,239 Speaker 1: Know dot com and check out our social links, and 764 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,680 Speaker 1: you can also send us an email to stuff podcast 765 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:55,480 Speaker 1: diheartradio dot com. 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