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Speaker 2: Father's Day was great, super chill, went to the community pool,

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Speaker 1: It was good? You know. My daughter had a dance competition.

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Speaker 3: They got second place in her in her group, in

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Speaker 3: We got back from that competition, and I got a

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Speaker 3: It was one of those laminated sheets that you know,

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Speaker 3: you answer questions based on what their teachers are asking

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Speaker 3: Welcome into another episode of Becoming a Best ball Bro.

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Speaker 3: I'm jj zacharieson joined as always by Rich Ryan Rich.

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Speaker 1: What's going on, buddy, doing good?

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Speaker 2: It's funny when you were workshopping that cold open. I

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Speaker 2: let you know this story. When I was younger and

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Speaker 2: my mom was turning forty, my dad told me as

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Speaker 2: I'm talking all my friends they're telling their parents. So

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Speaker 2: for the next week or so, every parent is going

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Speaker 2: up to tell my mom and they're like, Doren, you

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Speaker 2: my dad.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like fifty two is like the perfect age

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Speaker 1: But I'm not.

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Speaker 3: I'm not that old, Okay. I know some people on Twitter.

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, do I really come across that way?

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Speaker 3: I think it's the I think it's the sleeping stuff,

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Speaker 2: For sure. You guys gotta stay up late for every

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Speaker 2: It is true. There's a famous roster photo or headshots

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Speaker 3: My plan is to talk about my top exposures right now,

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Speaker 2: I haven't done a single MILLI yet. I've just been

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm Malik Washington up fourteen spots since we've started

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Speaker 2: Let's move to another quarterback, another mobile fella up in Philadelphia,

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Speaker 3: I love where Jalen Hurts goes in these drafts. I

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Speaker 1: But I don't think you have to have DeVante Smith.

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Speaker 3: Five years as starter, Jalen Hurts has averaged twenty or

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Speaker 3: more points per game in all but one season. That

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Speaker 3: It's crazy seeing some of these plays, like Dak Prescott

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Speaker 3: of like this this game of Chicken with those two teams,

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Speaker 3: Dak Prescott's ADP to be inflated. Right, And it's nothing

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Speaker 3: We'ren't even gonna care about stacking our in our home

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the gravity of stacking. Just it's a thing, right

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Speaker 3: Good pick right now, and I'm getting him in a

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Speaker 3: there hasn't been that much moving with Jonah Coleman. I'm

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Speaker 1: Happening and why I'm a moron.

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Speaker 3: But I do think that that there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Sometimes we've seen this time in time Again, Sometimes

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Speaker 2: some sort of buzz or news or injury in the summer.

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Speaker 2: It's most likely Jonah Coleman, because like, how high could R. J.

437
00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,600
Speaker 2: Harvey and JK. Gobbins reasonably go. I don't think it

438
00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,680
Speaker 2: could be much higher than where they're going already.

439
00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:32,560
Speaker 4: R J.

440
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Speaker 3: Harvey's dealing with an injury too, Like there's that's that's

441
00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,160
Speaker 3: going on, and like, like I do think that we're

442
00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,560
Speaker 3: doing ourselves a disservice when we lump together day three

443
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Speaker 3: picks and day three draft capital as all the same

444
00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:48,960
Speaker 3: because like he was like top one ten Jonah Coleman,

445
00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,320
Speaker 3: he was an early fourth round pick. That is not

446
00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:53,879
Speaker 3: that much different than a third round pick from a

447
00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,679
Speaker 3: draft capital and an investment standpoint, and for whatever reason,

448
00:19:57,800 --> 00:19:59,800
Speaker 3: like people, you know, I think that part of it

449
00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:02,800
Speaker 3: is people like me, and it's our faults because when

450
00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,560
Speaker 3: we communicate these ideas, we lump these guys together and say,

451
00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,000
Speaker 3: Alwa's a Day three pick, et cetera, et cetera.

452
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Speaker 1: But it's a gradient. It's the same way that I

453
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Speaker 1: view average draft.

454
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Speaker 3: Position and like all the threshold stuff that I work

455
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Speaker 3: on on the draft guide where you know, I bucket

456
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Speaker 3: these players up into top eighteen wide receivers and then

457
00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,320
Speaker 3: you know wide receiver nineteen to forty two to represent

458
00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:21,760
Speaker 3: the middle rounds in each of those groups. There's different

459
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Speaker 3: trends that we look for to see if a player

460
00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,960
Speaker 3: is gonna bust or if they're gonna break out. Realistically, though,

461
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Speaker 3: if you're at the low end of you, if you're

462
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Speaker 3: wide receiver eighteen, if you're like Tedoro McMillan right now,

463
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Speaker 3: your trends, yes, you might get bucketed in with the

464
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Speaker 3: top eighteen guys. The trends in the next group matter

465
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Speaker 3: just as much as the one in that group, right,

466
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Speaker 3: Like it's it's similar with the with draft capital and

467
00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,320
Speaker 3: not having these harsh cutoffs, because a sixth round running

468
00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,840
Speaker 3: back is not the same at all as a one

469
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Speaker 3: hundred and tenth or one hundred and eighth or whatever

470
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Speaker 3: Jonah Coleman was overall running back. Jonah Coleman's ADP or

471
00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,480
Speaker 3: draft capital is not that far off from like what

472
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Speaker 3: Caleb Johnson was last year. Now I know he busted,

473
00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,359
Speaker 3: of course, but like it's it's not as bad as

474
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Speaker 3: draft capital as you think. And like base Jall Tuton

475
00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,920
Speaker 3: was was a fourth rounder last year, right, and people

476
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Speaker 3: were looking at him a little bit more favorably than

477
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Speaker 3: they're looking at Jodah Coleman. So I actually think that

478
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Speaker 3: like the fourth round for running backs in today's game

479
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 3: is sort of like what it was in the third round,

480
00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:23,360
Speaker 3: maybe like five or six years ago.

481
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Speaker 2: Moving out west a little bit further in my backyard

482
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Speaker 2: training in Costa Mesa, it's Keaton Mitchell of the Los

483
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Speaker 2: Angeles Charters.

484
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Speaker 3: This is not an anti Amarion Hampton stance. I like Hampton.

485
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:42,800
Speaker 3: This is just a pro Keaton Mitchell pro Chargers situation stance.

486
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,400
Speaker 3: I love the Chargers offense this year. I don't care

487
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,240
Speaker 3: how chocky that is. I don't care if everyone's backing them,

488
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 3: they should be good offensively this year. Quintin Johnson has

489
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:53,600
Speaker 3: seen like a crip by the way, as in the side,

490
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,720
Speaker 3: Quentin Johnson saw like a two round rise in ADP

491
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Speaker 3: out of nowhere the last like two weeks or week

492
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Speaker 3: and a half. I love drafting the Chargers offense have

493
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 3: a lot of everybody. Quentin Johnston, like I said, he's

494
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 3: a little bit high right now, so I haven't been

495
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:07,640
Speaker 3: getting as much as him, But I'm still drafting him.

496
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Speaker 1: But with Keaton Mitchell, I just.

497
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Speaker 3: Think he's like the perfect best ball guy, where yes,

498
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Speaker 3: I don't like I do think that it being a

499
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 3: full PPR platform, you know, I don't think he's gonna

500
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 3: catch a ton of passes because it's never really been

501
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 3: his game necessarily. But at the same time, Mike McDaniel

502
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 3: with speed is just check mark right like we've seen

503
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,720
Speaker 3: it with Devon Chen. Devon Ahen's obviously very good, and

504
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 3: he's a much more prolific runner and rusher than Keaton

505
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 3: Mitchell has been. Even if you look back at you know,

506
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 3: collegiate numbers and such, I do think that Mitchell brings

507
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,439
Speaker 3: that big playability you get Slater and all back on

508
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,680
Speaker 3: the offensive line. I think the run game is gonna

509
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:44,119
Speaker 3: be a lot better than it was last year just

510
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,199
Speaker 3: based on that, and he's gonna have some role on

511
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Speaker 3: that team, like there's gonna be some usage for Keithon Mitchell,

512
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 3: and he has the big playability because of that speed.

513
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Speaker 1: So you will get spiked weeks from Keaton.

514
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Speaker 3: Mitchell and best ball, and that's part of the reason

515
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Speaker 3: why I've been drafting him as much as I have.

516
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Speaker 1: I think, right now he's my highest roster running back.

517
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Speaker 2: The arrow is pointing out up right now in terms

518
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 2: of ADP for every single man, almost every single member

519
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 2: of the Los Angeles Chargers. Hampton's up two spots, lads

520
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 2: up two spots, like you said, Quentin Johnson's up seventeen

521
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 2: and a half spots since we started doing this, Heaton

522
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 2: Mitchell's up nine, Trey Harris is up nineteen point four.

523
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Speaker 2: I think people are starting this is the meme of

524
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 2: the dumb guy and the genius who have the obvious

525
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,439
Speaker 2: thought of, hey, maybe Mike McDaniel's gonna be awesome, and

526
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Speaker 2: the guy in the middle like, oh, the praise is

527
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,919
Speaker 2: too much, we can't do it. But like, Mike McDaniel's

528
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 2: just that guy, like he's gonna have a very strong

529
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Speaker 2: impact on this offense.

530
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Speaker 3: I've also had this thought about the current landscape of

531
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Speaker 3: fantasy football, where I believe that this spike wouldn't have

532
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 3: been happening until August five or six, seven years ago,

533
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 3: right within the landscape, not necessarily the best ball landscape,

534
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,439
Speaker 3: but like just the fantasy landscape in general.

535
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Speaker 1: Like we were, there was a delay.

536
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Speaker 3: There was like a period of time where you could

537
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Speaker 3: get these players in these obviously upgraded situations a lot

538
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 3: cheaper than what's happening right now. And we've talked about

539
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 3: this plenty, you know, over the last couple of weeks

540
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 3: of just like I think the market's sharper in the

541
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Speaker 3: way they're looking at running backs in general. You know,

542
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 3: like the fact that Trayvon Henderson and Ramandre Stevenson, which

543
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 3: by the way, honorable mentions for running back. Ramondre Stevenson

544
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 3: and Chase Brown are two guys that I've I've drafted

545
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:20,159
Speaker 3: a decent amount of, but Ramondre Stevenson going, you know,

546
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Speaker 3: two rounds ish after Traveon Henderson at this point, maybe

547
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Speaker 3: round and a half depending on some drafts, but about

548
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Speaker 3: two rounds after Traveon Henderson.

549
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Speaker 1: It's crazy because most years.

550
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Speaker 3: I would just be like, yeah, I get Trayvon Henderson,

551
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 3: He's the ascending player, you know, year two guy, whatever.

552
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 1: But now I'm getting Ramondre Stevenson.

553
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Speaker 3: Because I'm sitting here, I'm like, oh, the market's kind

554
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 3: of like downplaying what happened in the playoffs last year

555
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Speaker 3: and what the situation looks like in New England, et cetera,

556
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,199
Speaker 3: et cetera. And it almost feels just completely backwards right

557
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 3: because like year two running backs are the backs that

558
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 3: we generally should be going after. It's it's just not

559
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 3: as clear as clean and clear cut. I do think though,

560
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,440
Speaker 3: that we're working with sharper drafters who are playing ball

561
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 3: in May and June, like we are sick individuals. If

562
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 3: you're listening to this right now, you're a sick individual,

563
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,439
Speaker 3: and you know naturally you're going to be more in

564
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 3: tune with what we should be doing from a trend standpoint.

565
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 3: I think once season long draft pickup and stuff, we're

566
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 3: going to see a different kind of situation with Ramandre

567
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 3: and Trevion.

568
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 2: Nobody is anti sweating. Ramandre touches more than people playing

569
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 2: best ball in June. I can promise see that they're

570
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 2: graping every time he touches the ball. Moving through receiver,

571
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 2: a guy we've discussed a lot. He's got a new

572
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:35,679
Speaker 2: coordinator in mister David Bling. Blang Blou. It is scary

573
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,400
Speaker 2: Terry McLaurin with the Commanders.

574
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Speaker 3: I just think that this offense could very much run

575
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Speaker 3: through Terry McLaurin. I mean, Blao has said that himself

576
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,679
Speaker 3: multiple times, and there's been a lot of favorable reports

577
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 3: about what he's trying to do with the offense.

578
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Speaker 1: I also just don't think that Terry McLaurin is dust.

579
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Speaker 3: I mean, he saw his best yards per out run

580
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,640
Speaker 3: of his career last year at two point two two,

581
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,719
Speaker 3: his best targets per out run rate at twenty three percent,

582
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Speaker 3: his best first downs per route run rate which is

583
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 3: thirteen percent. Historically, players with that kind of combination do

584
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 3: very very well against ADP expectation. So McLaurin I think

585
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 3: you could draft realistically, just given the landscape right now

586
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 3: and how things have shifted in that like third to

587
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 3: fourth round area. I don't have a problem if you

588
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 3: want to take him in the at the three four turn,

589
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 3: just because that's when that like wide receiver tier starts

590
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 3: for me, where there's just a lot of upside type players.

591
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,199
Speaker 3: I think McLaurin belongs in that tier. You don't have

592
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 3: to take them there because if you're doing a lot

593
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 3: of drafts. I mean, I've gotten him at the at

594
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 3: the four or five turn plenty. But I think McLaurin

595
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 3: is set up to have a very very good year.

596
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 2: Speaking of stacking, it's so funny his ADP's forty five

597
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 2: Jaden McDaniels is a very nice sixty nine exactly twenty

598
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 2: four spots after him. I wonder why it's exactly Yeah.

599
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 3: I mean, look, it's an easy stack to like you

600
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 3: can usually get Jayden Daniels if you get Terry McLaurin

601
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 3: because the person, you know, the other teams are not

602
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 3: looking at Jayden Daniels.

603
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Speaker 1: If they don't have ter McLaurin, and.

604
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 2: We might even get a discount. There's a world I'm

605
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 2: happy getting him at ADP. Now there's a world where

606
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 2: this Ayuk thing does come to fruition and we might

607
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 2: even get a slight discount on on Terry McLaurin because

608
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 2: people are worried about target distribution.

609
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's a very real possibility. I've actually

610
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 3: drafted a lot of AYUK teams with McLaurin and with

611
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,199
Speaker 3: Jade Daniels, and like, I think Ayuk is actually not

612
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 3: a bad pick right now. We've kind of talked about that,

613
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 3: you know, with the guests and stuff. But you know,

614
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 3: if and when he signs, his ADP is going to

615
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 3: go up. Now he hasn't played in a while, so

616
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 3: who knows what that's going to look like. I'm not

617
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 3: having like you know, crazy crazy aspirations about what Brandon

618
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 3: and Ayuk might be able to do after coming off the

619
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 3: couch and you know, doing the Instagram thing that he's

620
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 3: been doing over the last six months. But I do

621
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 3: think that, like, if you're looking at like just expected

622
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 3: value and cost benefit eighteenth nineteenth round pick, I think

623
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 3: it's fine to go that direction.

624
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,360
Speaker 2: Back on the Bolts, you could probably make this one

625
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 2: short Trey Harris as your others.

626
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, look, I'm fine with lad, I'm fine with QJ.

627
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 3: Even even though qj's ADP is skyrocketed. I think that

628
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 3: might settle a little bit. But this is just a

629
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 3: cheap play in an offense that I think is gonna

630
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 3: be really good. Reports are saying that there's gonna be

631
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 3: a bigger role for Trey Harris. I mean, I think

632
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 3: he's the wide receiver three on that team, and so

633
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 3: there's some role for him to just be used and

634
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 3: have you know.

635
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: Sixty targets or something this year.

636
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 3: But then there's also the upside of you know, him

637
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 3: being a year two breakout of QJ or Ladd going

638
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 3: down to injury and then him being used more.

639
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 1: There's multiple injury outs for him, and it's just a

640
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: good offense.

641
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 3: So you know, part of this is also like I'm

642
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 3: getting so many chargers that he's just a stacking partner,

643
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 3: right So I have a lot of Trey Harris right now.

644
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 3: As a result of all.

645
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 2: That moving the tight end, We've got a little Homer

646
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 2: jj here he goes back to the berg Ceesians people,

647
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, he's clicking a lot of

648
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 2: Pat Fryerman.

649
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

650
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 3: By the way, two honorable mentions that wide receiver Davante Smith.

651
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 3: A lot of DeVante Smith right now. That was pre

652
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 3: boosted ADP before the aj Brown stuff happened. I was

653
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 3: getting a lot of them, and then I still think

654
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 3: Ricky Piersall is a good pick based on his previous

655
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 3: season peripherals. I think he and play the number two

656
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 3: wide receiver role. You know, market score doesn't love Mike

657
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 3: Evans right now.

658
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not like heavily drafting Evans.

659
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 3: I'm not, you know, not drafting him, but I've had

660
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 3: a hard time clicking Mike Evans' name just because of

661
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,479
Speaker 3: the running backs and wide receivers that go around him.

662
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: So Ricky Piersall, I think is an interesting click.

663
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 3: But yes, Pat Fryermouth underutilized in my opinion, in that

664
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 3: Arthur Smith rotation that he had at tight end, you know,

665
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 3: with the John new and Darnell Washington stuff. He's there's

666
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 3: a new offense might feature him a little bit more,

667
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 3: and he's still just twenty seven years old and you're

668
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 3: getting him in like the nineteenth round of these drafts.

669
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 3: So again, part of this too is that I'm attaching

670
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 3: him to like a late prayer stack with Aaron Rodgers,

671
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 3: who I think Aaron Rodgers from a from a fantasy

672
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 3: perspective is pretty undervalued right now. To me, there's truly

673
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 3: not really a reason that Aaron Rodgers should be going

674
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 3: after Bryce Young, let alone two or three rounds after

675
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 3: Bryce Young in a lot of cases, right because like

676
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 3: a lot of times people get their quarterbacks and they're

677
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 3: at two or three and they don't really force the

678
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 3: issue with some like the Genos of the World. And

679
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 3: obviously there's stuff going on off the field now with Geno,

680
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 3: But like the Genos of the World or Aaron Rodgers

681
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 3: or these guys who we think are gonna play for

682
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 3: the majority of the season, I think Rogers is gonna

683
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 3: be the starter for this team throughout the year, and

684
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 3: especially because we know this is last season or supposedly

685
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 3: his last season, it just seems like they're not gonna

686
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 3: just bench him at the end of the year, you know,

687
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 3: like and the Steelers should probably be like at least

688
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 3: semi competitive, at least you know, in that like eight

689
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 3: to ten win range potentially. So as a result of that, like,

690
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 3: I think Rogers is just kind of undervalued, And so

691
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 3: I've been attaching Pat Fryarmouth to him because I'm.

692
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: Not getting up I'm not definitely not getting a lot.

693
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 3: Of Dk Metcalf and I'm getting some Michael Pittman, but

694
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 3: not enough to like really force the issue. So Pat

695
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 3: Fryarmuth is kind of my and I get some German

696
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 3: Bernard too, but Pat Fryarmouth is kind of like the

697
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 3: easy late stack if I'm if I'm missing out on

698
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 3: that on that third stack or even second stack in

699
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 3: some cases.

700
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And when in instances where I'm not going elite

701
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 2: tight end, it's a great click in the end of

702
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 2: the drafts when I just want to fill my tight

703
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 2: endroom with guys that are going to be on the field.

704
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 2: Because we know Darnold Washington has his role on the team.

705
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: He's not going out there and running a bunch of routes.

706
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 5: Right.

707
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 2: This is this is Pat Firenmouth show at the tight

708
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 2: end position in Pittsburgh. Your other tight end speaking of

709
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 2: a crowded tight end room, but a very explosive young

710
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 2: player in Terrence fergus.

711
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 3: Look, I'm kind of a Terrence Ferguson Truther. I understand

712
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 3: that the Zap model liked him. I think he's good.

713
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 3: You know, he gave us some production last year down

714
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 3: the stretch. We know the Rams are going to be

715
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 3: heavy with their twelve and thirteen personnel usage, so he

716
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 3: should be on the field plenty. Now he's gonna be

717
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 3: competing with other tight ends for sure, Colby Parkinson being

718
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 3: sort of like the top one that and I'm trying

719
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 3: my best to sprinkle in Colby Parkinson and not just

720
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 3: like he's so enamored with.

721
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Speaker 2: I like having a take this is this is one

722
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 2: of the spots in the draft door. I just like

723
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 2: having a take like, I don't think this is a

724
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 2: part where you need to be balanced right when we're

725
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 2: in the eighth I think you can kind of here's

726
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 2: the thing.

727
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: But I don't want to.

728
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 3: I don't want to walk away from the Millie this

729
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 3: year and have eighteen percent Terrence Ferguson in.

730
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Speaker 1: One person Colby Parkinson.

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Speaker 2: That just seems like.

732
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: Like not playing you know, the ev game very well.

733
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 3: Right, where Whereas could could I walk away with thirteen

734
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 3: percent Terrence Ferguson in four percent Kobe Parkinson?

735
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 5: Sure?

736
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: Like, I think that's a little.

737
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 3: Bit more reasonable, right, And so I am getting some

738
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 3: coolby Parkinson because they're their ADPs are shrinking the gap

739
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 3: between the two. It's really just a coin flip at

740
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 3: this point, whereas before Parkinson was going pretty consistently ahead

741
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 3: of Terrence Ferguson. So I've gotten more Ferguson, or sorry,

742
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 3: I was getting more Ferguson before. I'm getting a little

743
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 3: bit more Parkinson now. But there's nothing scary after puk

744
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 3: and Aku and Devonte Adams on this team, Like they

745
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 3: don't have a third wide receiver, They're gonna clearly use

746
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 3: their tight ends in pass catching roles, and to me,

747
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 3: Terrence Ferguson's most athletic and the most versatile tight end

748
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 3: that they have on that roster to move around the

749
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 3: formation and kind of be the de facto wide receiver

750
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 3: three on that team, right, So I think he's a

751
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 3: good prospect. There's good it's a good system to be in.

752
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: You know. I don't think that he's one of those players.

753
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 3: That I'm going to be heavy on in season long

754
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 3: this year just because he'll be a waiver wire guy.

755
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: I don't think you need to draft him, you know.

756
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 3: I don't think you need to throw that dart and

757
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 3: be like so confident in that player unless you're in

758
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 3: a deeper format. But you can, you know, obviously have

759
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 3: him on speed dial off the waiver wire. But I

760
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 3: think that he can give you some musable weeks. It

761
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 3: might not be predictable, but he'll give you some musable weeks.

762
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 3: Just given the environment.

763
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 2: There are eight rounds that pass from when Blake Korm

764
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 2: goes off the board until the next RAMS player, And

765
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 2: if you just go pass catcher, there's thirteen rounds between

766
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 2: DeVante Adams and Golbi Parkinson. We know the target funnel

767
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 2: is going to be very narrow. We know these guys

768
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 2: at the top are going to get a ton of targets.

769
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 2: But somebody else that has to catch some balls and

770
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 2: be productive in this offense.

771
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy.

772
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 3: So it's a really really interesting build for that offense

773
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 3: in general. And I think Terrence Ferguson is going to

774
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 3: play you know, it's a year two tight end. We

775
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 3: should be looking at into players like that. I know

776
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 3: people are gonna say, but what about Max Claire. I

777
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 3: think Max, like they the Rams have shown us pretty

778
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 3: consistently under McVeigh that they kind of red shirt their rookies, right,

779
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 3: Like it's kind of like a like.

780
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: They did that with Quorum. You know they've done that.

781
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:18,919
Speaker 3: I mean, if you want to throw dark West Hunter

782
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 3: in there, you know, technically they just didn't use him

783
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 3: at all.

784
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Dark Ois Hunter has bigger problems

785
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: than just you know, let's go, we're not gonna We're

786
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: not gonna unleash him this year. Yeah, look it's an

787
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: l I like Dark.

788
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 3: West as a prospect, but we've seen it, We've seen

789
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 3: it happen with them, right Obviously pokin Akua was just undeniable.

790
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: But and they use them.

791
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 3: But you know, you got I think you have to

792
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 3: be that kind of talent in order to really be

793
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 3: heavily utilized for them. And Max Claire is a really

794
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 3: good prospect too, but I think that that's more of

795
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,240
Speaker 3: a looking forward thing because Tyler Higby and Colby Parkinson

796
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 3: could be gone next year and they know that they're

797
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 3: going to continue being tight end heavy, so they got

798
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 3: ahead of it in a good tight end class and

799
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 3: they got Max Claire where they did.

800
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: So I'm not like overly whereorried about that this year.

801
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 3: I think I think Terrence Ferguson is set up to

802
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 3: at least give us a handful of usable weeks.

803
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 2: Who do you got for honorable mention at tight end?

804
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 3: I think Doultic was one. I realized I didn't put

805
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 3: that on here, but I I think Doulcic was one

806
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 3: of them. I think I actually had a decent amount

807
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 3: of Kate Oughton, oddly, which it's just a dude, right, Like,

808
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 3: I don't have like conviction about Kate Oughton. You know,

809
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 3: the Dulsaice thing has been Malik Willis. But also I

810
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 3: was drafting Doulsic because he was one of the players

811
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 3: we talked about right away.

812
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: When we started this season of the show, where I

813
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: was drafting him a decent bit.

814
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,720
Speaker 3: But his ADP's gotten up like three rounds since that happened,

815
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 3: So I haven't gotten him as much, but Dulcie is

816
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 3: still pretty pretty highly exposed for my in my portfolio

817
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 3: right now. I think Kate Oughton was another one that

818
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 3: I was drafting a lot, partially just as like a

819
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 3: you know late stack you know Baker. I think it

820
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 3: is kind of an interesting click sometimes because he slips

821
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 3: and you know you can stack him with like McMillan

822
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 3: and Kate Otton late.

823
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's also Gunner Home or kad outen Aj

824
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 2: or kade Oton, you know the I.

825
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 3: Will say I've gotten some Gunner Helm too. I don't

826
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 3: know if he is. I don't think he's as high

827
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 3: as as Otten, but I part of that is again

828
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 3: cam Word just throwing the dart and getting him when

829
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,439
Speaker 3: he slips and stacking him in some way.

830
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: If I don't get Carnel Taate or Wandell Robinson. Let's

831
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Speaker 1: move on to.

832
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 3: Our glorious guest for today, a friend of mine that

833
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 3: I have gotten to know since starting becoming a best

834
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 3: ball bro. Really he's a great YouTube channel the flannel verse.

835
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 3: It's Neil Orfield. He's successful in dfs, He's won the

836
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 3: Millie and DFS. He's had many six figure wins in

837
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 3: Daily Fantasy. He's also a successful best ball player. He

838
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 3: actually last year in the Millie he finished two spots

839
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 3: ahead of me. There's so my When I was screenshotting

840
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 3: my my finish of being fortieth, every time I look

841
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 3: at that, I got to see Neil's freaking user name

842
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 3: two spots ahead. So he got the same payout though

843
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 3: same payout, it's all the same. You know, he'd beat

844
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 3: me by like I think, like less than half a point.

845
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 3: But we chatted about this year's landscape, like I've done

846
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 3: with the other guests so far, because I think it's

847
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 3: just an interesting topic running backs at the one two

848
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 3: turn where we're seeing a lot of those guys go.

849
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 3: So I wanted to get his take on that, how

850
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 3: he's handling quarterback and so much more. So, without further ado,

851
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 3: here is that interview with Neil Warfield. So, Neil, a

852
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 3: question I've been asking other guests, and I want to

853
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 3: hear your take. I'll probably eventually stop asking this to guests,

854
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,399
Speaker 3: but I think at this point, since it's still June,

855
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 3: I'll continue asking it. But you look at the landscape

856
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 3: this year on DraftKings, and you look at it last year. Now,

857
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 3: last year you obviously had a lot of success. You know,

858
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 3: I won't mention that you beat me by two spots

859
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 3: in the.

860
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: Final last year.

861
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 3: I was telling Rich that every time I look at

862
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 3: that screenshot or something or it like pops up, I

863
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 3: always see your freaking user name right above it. So

864
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 3: you get to hold that over me forever. But when

865
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 3: you look at the landscape on DraftKings year over year,

866
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 3: what do you think one of the biggest differences is

867
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 3: for this year compared to last year.

868
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, First of all, I want you to know I

869
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 4: was not going to bring up the fact that I

870
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 4: finished in thirty eighth place in the DraftKings Midlily Maker

871
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,720
Speaker 4: last year, besting you on whatever the final reception.

872
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: For Puka or Bijon one by point two.

873
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 4: No, I don't, yeah something like that, like it it

874
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 4: was nothing, and you were beating me until like it

875
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 4: was just like PPR scamming my way there with both

876
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 4: Puka and Bijon on the team.

877
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 5: So yeah, I got there at the last second to

878
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 5: beat you up.

879
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 4: But we made the same amount of money, that's really all.

880
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 4: It's all pretty the same fortieth and thirty eighth. Oh yeah,

881
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 4: So the landscape, I feel like There's a few different

882
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 4: ways you could answer this question how has the landscape changed?

883
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 4: One of them being running backs are kind of an

884
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 4: obvious one. But I feel like quarterbacks, to me, is

885
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 4: almost the biggest change in the landscape on DraftKings this year.

886
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 4: And it was already pretty like a quarterback thirsty landscape

887
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 4: on draftings last year. I feel like that was a

888
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 4: big thing that we talked about quite a bit. A

889
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 4: lot of people wanted to get their three quarterbacks. They

890
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 4: would pull up kind of the pocket passing quarterbacks to

891
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 4: an odd range last year. But I think it's gotten

892
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,439
Speaker 4: even worse this year. I mean, we have the range

893
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 4: of quarterbacks. I mean, you have Josh Allen kind of

894
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 4: his own tier going in the third round, but then

895
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 4: after Josh Allen, you've got between rounds five and ten,

896
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 4: eighteen quarterbacks come off the board. There's just sixty picks,

897
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 4: just just over sixty picks separating Lamar Jackson and Tyler Shuck,

898
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 4: Whereas in past years, I think that would have been

899
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 4: like one hundred and ten one hundred and twenty pick

900
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 4: difference between those two. And then even after that rang

901
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,479
Speaker 4: so I said, eighteen between rounds five and ten, six

902
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 4: more quarterbacks come off the board in rounds eleven and twelve,

903
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 4: and then this year we're dealing with some kind of

904
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 4: uncertain quarterback room. So I think it kind of makes

905
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 4: sense because we have so many situations like the Browns

906
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 4: and the Falcons and all these like kind of uncertain

907
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 4: quarterback rooms going into the year. But then we also

908
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,959
Speaker 4: have like quarterbacks that we think could lose the job

909
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 4: Jakobe Brissette by the end of the year, Geno Smith,

910
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 4: so like it is kind of important to get those quarterbacks.

911
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 5: But to me, that's that's.

912
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 4: Kind of the bigger shift is just all the quarterbacks

913
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 4: have moved up so much this year relative to even

914
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 4: last year when quarterbacks, you know, people are already pretty

915
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 4: thirsty for their quarterbacks this year. Just like the separation

916
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,760
Speaker 4: between the like kind I mean, I would still consider

917
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 4: Lamar Jackson, Jade and Daniels like these are top tier quarterbacks.

918
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 4: I kind of consider them to be the same tier

919
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 4: as Josh Allen. They're going like there's like no separation

920
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 4: between the top tier and the second tier, and it's

921
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 4: just like really just a quick, you know, growth from

922
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 4: the from the top tier to like the fifth tier

923
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 4: of quarterback teams, like there's just five six round separating them.

924
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 4: So to me, that's that's actually the biggest change this

925
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 4: year is you really need to get your quarterback pretty

926
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 4: early or you're gonna fall behind it. You're going to

927
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 4: be fighting for some quarterbacks who might not even be

928
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 4: the starter to start the year or you know, have

929
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 4: some risk of losing their job by the end of

930
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 4: the year. So the quarterback landscape to me is even

931
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 4: thirst year than it was last year.

932
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 3: So how are you handling that? Like, are you kind

933
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 3: of alluded to it?

934
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: Are you?

935
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 3: I don't want to call it early round because it's

936
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 3: not really early around. It's not like Lamar and Jade

937
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 3: Daniels are going in round three or round four or

938
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 3: opportunity costs is a little bit higher. Are you leaning

939
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 3: into drafting those players because again you mentioned like Tyler

940
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 3: Shuck and where he's going, and nothing against Shuck. I

941
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 3: like Shuck this year, but like, you know, Shuck, where

942
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 3: he's going, that gap being closer to where Lamar is

943
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 3: and stuff. That is that making those elite guys a

944
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 3: little bit more enticing for you?

945
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 5: Yeah?

946
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 4: For sure, Like I love taking the Lamar Jackson, Jade

947
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 4: and Daniels, Drake May, Jalen Hurts like where they're going.

948
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 4: It's also kind of a great range to take quarterback

949
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 4: because you're dealing with some if your profiles at other positions.

950
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 4: It's like, okay, I can take Drake May, who I

951
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 4: wouldn't be surprised if he's the quarterback one overall this year.

952
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 4: Should not surprise anybody if Drake May or Jalen Hurts

953
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 4: or Jane Daniels if they end up as like the

954
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:01,240
Speaker 4: quarterback one overall. Or you're taking Tony Pollard, taking remondros Stevenson,

955
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 4: who's the you know, the running going going as the

956
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 4: running back to on his own team, or you know

957
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 4: Jalen Warren, so you're dealing with some more questionable profiles

958
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 4: at running back or wide receiver. Or you can just

959
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 4: take an elite quarterback. So to me, I love taking

960
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 4: that range of quarterback, and then you can get back

961
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 4: to taking your your running backs receivers in a later round.

962
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 4: Whord to me, it's a pretty flat tier, you know,

963
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 4: taking the like I said, romondro Stevens and Tony Pollard,

964
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 4: whereas later on instead of taking a quarterback, you know,

965
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 4: in the nineth tenth round. You can take a Jonathan Brooks,

966
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 4: common Ung guy Blake Koran, and it's not that big

967
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 4: of a separation in those tiers. So I love taking

968
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 4: the you know, kind of the top of that range

969
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,720
Speaker 4: of quarterbacks starting around like five or six, as opposed

970
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 4: to waiting on quarterback. I'd rather get my my quarterbacks early,

971
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 4: where you're just getting way more fantasy points from I mean,

972
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 4: Tyler Shuck to to Lamar Jackson is I think a

973
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 4: pretty good, pretty good example of that separation. You're just

974
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 4: going to get so many more fantasy points from Lamar

975
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 4: Jackson than Tyler Shuck or Jade and Daniels from Tyler Shuck,

976
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 4: et cetera. Then you know, the running backs you could

977
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 4: get in that range versus the running backs that you

978
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 4: can take later on.

979
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,720
Speaker 3: So a question that I've gotten in that I feel

980
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 3: sometimes as I'm as I'm you know, doing a lot

981
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 3: of drafts and obviously wanting to not get too crazy

982
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 3: with exposure. Is sort of so from your perspective, and

983
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 3: I agree, it's optimal to be sort of at the

984
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 3: top of the quarter of any run. But then let's

985
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 3: just call it a quarterback run, right, because there is

986
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 3: a run that happens from that like six to seven

987
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 3: range through round like ten. Right, there's there's this massive

988
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 3: quarterback run where if you're getting the guy at the

989
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,720
Speaker 3: end of that run, especially if it's not an upside

990
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 3: guy that you like, and you're just drafting a quarterback

991
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 3: to draft a quarterback, you're.

992
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: Obviously devaluing that pick. Right.

993
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 3: So it's it's it's smarter to be at the top

994
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 3: of that run than the back of that run.

995
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 5: Right.

996
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 3: But the thing that I always struggle with is then

997
00:43:56,239 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 3: getting proper exposure based on what I think I think

998
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 3: is the optimal strategy to take in some of these drafts.

999
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 3: Like for instance, like if you think going running back

1000
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 3: running back is like the way to go, especially if

1001
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 3: you're in the back half of the first round or

1002
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 3: something like that, which we'll get to in a second.

1003
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 3: If you think going running back running back like that

1004
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 3: is optimal, then sure you'll get some different iterations for

1005
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 3: the running backs that you're taking, but maybe you never

1006
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 3: get CD Lamb, even though you probably want some exposure

1007
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 3: to ced Lamb. Is that something that you're constantly thinking

1008
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 3: about in general? Is it something that you're thinking about

1009
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 3: right now in June, or is it something that you

1010
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 3: worry about a little bit later in the season if

1011
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 3: you're doing something like the MILLI where you know that

1012
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 3: you can kind of even out exposure as the summer

1013
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 3: goes on.

1014
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's definitely something that I'm thinking about constantly,

1015
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,439
Speaker 4: but it's not something that I'm acting on as much

1016
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 4: right now as it will be later on. Like you said, like,

1017
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 4: because you and I we're gonna be drafting all summer,

1018
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 4: we have time to even at our exposures if we

1019
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 4: want to. But generally, I think it's just draft to draft,

1020
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 4: just making the best pick for that draft. I think

1021
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 4: it's generally the correct approach because ADP is going to

1022
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 4: shift throughout the year, and you're going to have different

1023
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 4: opportunities throughout the year because you know, ADP shifts like

1024
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,240
Speaker 4: we saw with you know, we've seen a J. Brown

1025
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 4: shift from a third round pick to a second round pick,

1026
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 4: and so you know it's better to get him in

1027
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 4: the third round, and you see that throughout the summer,

1028
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 4: all these different players are going to shift in their

1029
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 4: ADP now for you know, the opposite example would be

1030
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 4: like I'm not really taking Melik Neighbors right now, but

1031
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 4: I'm not worried about it because I think Melik Neighbors

1032
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 4: is going to move backwards later in the summer. We're

1033
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 4: going to be able to get him later. So I think,

1034
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,919
Speaker 4: you know, generally, it's something that's always on my mind,

1035
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 4: what are my exposures looking at and my comfortable with

1036
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 4: these exposures. But I also know that ADP is going

1037
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 4: to shift over time. And also just like draft to draft,

1038
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 4: you can see even right now, if I do ten

1039
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 4: drafts today, I can keep my rankings the exact same,

1040
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 4: but I'm gonna have different opportunities draft to draft, so

1041
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 4: you know, I might always be taking those those running

1042
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 4: backs in the later rounds. But there's gonna come a

1043
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 4: draft where, like it you say Ceedee Lamb, if you

1044
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 4: want to get Ceede Lamb, there's gonna come and draft

1045
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 4: where Seedy Lamb is just gonna fall to you at

1046
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 4: the eleven pick or something. So you can keep him

1047
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 4: ranked behind Justin Jefferson, Alman ros Saint Brown and Christian

1048
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 4: McCaffrey or whoever it is that you're taking over him,

1049
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 4: and you're gonna have opportunities to draft him without reaching

1050
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 4: to take him ahead of players that you like better.

1051
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 4: So I don't worry about it that much right now.

1052
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 4: But yeah, once we get to August, if I'm like,

1053
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,720
Speaker 4: you know, I don't really see a big separation between

1054
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 4: Ceedee Lamb and Alman Ross Saint Brown, then I might

1055
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 4: start just I'll reach a little bit and take Ceedee

1056
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 4: Lamb over Alman Ross Saint Brown.

1057
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 5: But yeah, for now, I'm not.

1058
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 4: I'm not really you know, going out of my way

1059
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:38,919
Speaker 4: to even out my exposures that much.

1060
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 5: Now.

1061
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I say this, I think that that is the

1062
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 4: correct approaches to not do it that much. I do

1063
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 4: it some like I can't help it because there are

1064
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 4: players that I'm like, you know, I really don't feel

1065
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 4: that differently about. Like I had this conversation with Karan

1066
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 4: last week, Ted Roe McMillan and Luthor Burden, Like, yeah,

1067
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 4: if I use his product, I'm always gonna get Tedero

1068
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 4: McMillan ahead of Luthor Burden. I'm to me, like, to me,

1069
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 4: it's not that clear that of like t Mac that

1070
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 4: much better than Luther Burden, because I think there's pros

1071
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 4: and cons to both. So I might sometimes reach and

1072
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 4: take you know, a Burden over tetromopile and you know,

1073
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 4: profiles like that where it's like, it's not that clear

1074
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:13,760
Speaker 4: to me that this is a different tier of player.

1075
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 4: So I do I do sometimes reach a little bit,

1076
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 4: but I think that the correct approach is is the

1077
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,879
Speaker 4: you know, let it, you know, work itself out over time.

1078
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, makes a lot of sense to me.

1079
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 3: So also this year, we're definitely seeing more people. I

1080
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 3: will say, I think that part of like the running

1081
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 3: back heavy discussion, which is why I love that you

1082
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 3: answered that first question with quarterback and not running back,

1083
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:34,760
Speaker 3: because I think.

1084
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: It's sort of like the default to talk about the

1085
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: running back.

1086
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 3: Not to say that it's right or wrong, but I

1087
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 3: do think that it might be a little bit overblown,

1088
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 3: like the idea that people are like going so crazy

1089
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 3: for running backs right now and such and like that,

1090
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 3: like it's so totally different than what we saw last year.

1091
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 3: I would argue that last year we still saw a

1092
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 3: decent amount of running backs going early in these drafts,

1093
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,280
Speaker 3: especially because the year before that running back was actually

1094
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 3: pretty strong, and so we are seeing some like I

1095
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 3: think that part of it is the narrative of like

1096
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 3: some zero rb bros who are now touting you know,

1097
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 3: going earlier around running back is making the entire industry

1098
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,240
Speaker 3: be like, oh, man, like everyone's going earlier around running

1099
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 3: back now, which is probably true to a degree, but

1100
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 3: there's still some good wide receiver picks in there, but

1101
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 3: the meta has certainly shifted. Let's just say that, let's

1102
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 3: say that people are more okay and drafting multiple running

1103
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 3: backs with their first couple of picks.

1104
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: So my question though, and this is one that.

1105
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 3: I asked Liam last week as well, is this a

1106
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 3: year then to zig when everyone's zagging and go zero

1107
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 3: RB as people are more comfortable with a robust RB approach.

1108
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 4: I think that the correct approach is always to just

1109
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 4: take what the draft room gives you. So no, I

1110
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 4: don't think that it's necessarily the right year, Like I

1111
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 4: don't think that you should be forcing zero RB this

1112
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 4: year because we don't have the same type of late

1113
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:53,879
Speaker 4: round running backs that we used to have. So part

1114
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 4: of the reason that you know, I was really in

1115
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 4: on zero RB, I mean even last year when it

1116
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 4: didn't really work out for me, was because I thought,

1117
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 4: at least last year that there were tons of late

1118
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 4: round running backs that had really strong profiles. It was,

1119
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 4: you know, a really strong rookie running back draft class

1120
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,479
Speaker 4: where you could get these rookie running backs late who

1121
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,479
Speaker 4: should have a ton of upside, have some continued value.

1122
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 4: Now for me, I took all the wrong ones. I

1123
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 4: was taking Richard Smith, Darks Hunter, et cetera, et cetera.

1124
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 4: But I know you started talking about kaman Ungay late

1125
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 4: later on in the season after not really loving him

1126
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 4: early on. Woody Marks like, there were these running backs

1127
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 4: that you could get later on, so it made more

1128
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 4: sense to do more zero RB when they're were stronger

1129
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 4: running backs later. Now you have a lot of the

1130
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 4: running backs that were that are like young running backs

1131
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,399
Speaker 4: that we see have a lot of upside, you can't

1132
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,280
Speaker 4: really get them in the later rounds anymore.

1133
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 5: Like even last year you could get like a Tyler Lgier.

1134
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 4: So I love the running backs, particularly in Best Ball

1135
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 4: that have some standalone value, like they don't need anything

1136
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,439
Speaker 4: to happen, and they're going to have some double digit

1137
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 4: scoring weeks, but then also have like awesome contingent upside.

1138
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 4: So last year was like Tyler Lgiear, if something happened

1139
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 4: to be Jean Robinson is going to be awesome. You

1140
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 4: just don't really have a ton of those guys later on.

1141
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,320
Speaker 4: So if you and you need to score some running

1142
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 4: back points early on, so you really can't wait too long,

1143
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 4: I think to start drafting running backs now. I still

1144
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 4: do some zero RB ish builds where I won't take

1145
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 4: a running back until like the seventh round, but it's

1146
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,439
Speaker 4: tougher because we don't have, you know, a ton of these,

1147
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 4: and you do have some like you. I mean, Brian

1148
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 4: Robinson might be an example this year, replacing Tyler Aldiere

1149
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 4: in Atlanta, who knows like you can. You can probably

1150
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 4: find some of those later on in drafts who are

1151
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 4: going to have who will have those you know, ten

1152
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 4: point weeks here and there throughout the season, even without

1153
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 4: an injury. But they're more difficult to find because people

1154
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,760
Speaker 4: have gotten sharper about how to find the right running

1155
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 4: back profile. So like the running backs who have that

1156
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 4: you know, standalone value, Blake Quorum is now going in

1157
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 4: the top one hundred bick, Kya Munungai going to the

1158
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 4: top one hundred bicks. The type of running back that

1159
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 4: you used to maybe be able to get at like

1160
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 4: pick one forty one fifty, you can't get them there anymore.

1161
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 4: So it is to me more difficult to go zero

1162
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 4: RB this year than it has been in years past.

1163
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 4: But then you know, the tricky part there is it

1164
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 4: does feel like, you know, we have a lot of

1165
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,800
Speaker 4: kind of aging running backs with a lot of miles

1166
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 4: on their legs at this point who are going in

1167
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 4: the early rounds. So it does feel like we're probably

1168
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 4: going to find some later a round running backs who

1169
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 4: don't have a ton of standalone value but probably do

1170
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 4: have massive continent value behind Saquon Barkley, Derrek Henry, Jonathan Taylor, whatever,

1171
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 4: and name any of these running backs who are veterans

1172
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 4: who have a ton of miles on them. But to me,

1173
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 4: it's like, you can you can still go after some

1174
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 4: of those backup running backs without going zero RB, because, like,

1175
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 4: I just think that the tough part is, you do

1176
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 4: need to get points early in the season to advance

1177
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 4: your team. You need to get some points from running

1178
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 4: back early on, and it's tougher to find those running

1179
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 4: backs who are going to score early points later in

1180
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 4: drafts this year. So I'm doing I am doing some

1181
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 4: zero RB, but I'm not taking it to the extreme

1182
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 4: that I've done in past years where it's like I'm

1183
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 4: not taking a running back till the tenth or eleventh round,

1184
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 4: like to me, zero RB now is like sixth or

1185
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 4: seventh rounds when I started taking running backs.

1186
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, agreed.

1187
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 3: Are there any middle or late round backs that you've

1188
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 3: really gravitated towards overrun DK?

1189
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean a lot of the ones that I mentioned,

1190
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 4: I've taken a fair amount of Blake Korum, Kamon Unguy.

1191
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 4: The one that I'm really in the middle rounds that

1192
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 4: I've gravitated toward is Jonathan Brooks. I just I can't

1193
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 4: can't get enough Jonathan Brooks. Just I think I've just

1194
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 4: memory wiped the past two years and just like you know,

1195
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 4: he was so exciting a couple of years ago coming

1196
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 4: in And I don't know, like I'm not a doctor.

1197
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 4: I don't know how to read the medical reports, and

1198
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 4: I think like depending on who you read, you're going

1199
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 4: to get a different vantage point on like Jonathan Brooks's

1200
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,280
Speaker 4: outlook this year, Like did he have did he actually

1201
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 4: tear his ACL twice or was it a repair the

1202
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 4: second time? And he's good to go now. I don't

1203
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,320
Speaker 4: know that stuff, but I know that there are some people,

1204
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 4: some you know, Twitter doctors who believe Jonathan Brooks should

1205
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 4: be good to go at this point, should be healthy

1206
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 4: and then we just get such bullish coach week on

1207
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 4: Jonathan Brooks that kind of leads me to believe that, like,

1208
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 4: you don't really need an injury ahead of him to

1209
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 4: Toobe Hubbard for Jonathan Brooks to take over as the

1210
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 4: top running back on a team that really wants to

1211
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 4: run the ball. So to me, Jonathan Brooks is is

1212
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 4: kind of that mid range running back that I've really

1213
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 4: gravitated toward. Now he is, He's getting a little bit

1214
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,720
Speaker 4: more difficult as he gets closer to the Blake Korum

1215
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 4: and kamon Unga because to me, like that's kind of

1216
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 4: the tier that he belongs in now. I do think

1217
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 4: that he has a probably better odds than either of

1218
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 4: those two to take on like the one A role

1219
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 4: without an injury, but I think that they have probably

1220
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 4: a stronger hold on the or you know, we're surer

1221
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 4: of their floor, like as the one B for a

1222
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,399
Speaker 4: guy like kaman Unguy Blake Orm. So to me, that's

1223
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 4: kind of the right range for Jonathan Brooks until we

1224
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 4: hear something more bullish, and he's moving kind of in

1225
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 4: that direction, but he has not quite gotten there yet.

1226
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 5: So I've been drafting just a ton of Jonathan Brooks.

1227
00:53:57,719 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that call a lot I have been too.

1228
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 3: And some of it is when you look at the

1229
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 3: way you mentioned the market's being been sharper, and I agree.

1230
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 3: And one of the ways that it's been sharper, and

1231
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 3: this has been brought up before on the show, but

1232
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 3: you know, you look at some of these like like

1233
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 3: New England for instance, where Trayvon Henderson goes in round

1234
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 3: five and then Remandre goes in round seven, and I

1235
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 3: feel like historically that would have been flipped where the

1236
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 3: younger guy would have been the easier click, like very

1237
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 3: much easier, or like Bashall Tuton before would.

1238
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: Have gone in like round eight or nine.

1239
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 3: You know, like now he's going in like the five

1240
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 3: you know, the five range like pretty comfortably now.

1241
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:33,800
Speaker 1: He was more in the six range before.

1242
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 3: But like, I feel like the Carolina backfield is one

1243
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,800
Speaker 3: of the few backfields where like maybe you could maybe

1244
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 3: make an argument about Tampa Bay if you're really pro

1245
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 3: Kenny Gainwell, but the Carolina backfield is one of the

1246
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 3: backfields where like the younger potentially ascending talent. Now obviously

1247
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 3: this is all because of the ACLS, but the younger

1248
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 3: potentially ascending talent is the one that's actually going a

1249
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 3: decent bit later than the other guy, And like that's

1250
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 3: kind of attractive because we're not getting those situations very

1251
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 3: frequently right now, you know, within the environment.

1252
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: So I love the Jonathan Brooks call out. I think

1253
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: that's a.

1254
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,919
Speaker 3: He's to me, he's like the like, if I go

1255
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 3: early running back and get a couple of them in

1256
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 3: the first like two or three rounds, I'm fine with

1257
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 3: him as my RB three, you know, and and then

1258
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 3: and then just tagging on a few, you know, two

1259
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 3: or three of them later after Brooks, because I do

1260
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 3: think he has that upside of just being the one

1261
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 3: A in the backfield, like you said, and if that

1262
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 3: hits while you have the other two running backs you

1263
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 3: drafted early, that's a really good stable of running backs

1264
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 3: for your for your best ball team.

1265
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1266
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 4: I feel the exact same way. He's really strong as

1267
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 4: a running back three who could break in and be

1268
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 4: like your your top top two running back pretty easily.

1269
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 4: The funny thing is we talk about this, but it's

1270
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 4: still like you know, and it's one of those rare

1271
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 4: situations where like you can get the more exciting younger

1272
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 4: running back later, but it's still like you you still

1273
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 4: have to take him in the you know, ninth round,

1274
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 4: like we're not getting like.

1275
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 5: The crazy good discounts.

1276
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 4: So it's like I love the pick, but it's not

1277
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 4: like such a clear obvious one where whereas there was

1278
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 4: a point where he was going you know, in the

1279
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 4: one forties. One fifties is something where where it was

1280
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:03,879
Speaker 4: a more obvious click. Now it's like, all right, it's

1281
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 4: still like I still really love taking it. I still

1282
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 4: feel like that the profile here relative to the other

1283
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 4: running backs around, I love it, but it's it is

1284
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 4: like the draft drafters have gotten a lot sharper than

1285
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 4: than they were in past year. So I so I

1286
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 4: love doing it. I think he's a really strong, you know,

1287
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 4: like running back three. Like you said, I'll even sometimes

1288
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 4: use him as like my running back to it. It's

1289
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 4: pretty rare though at this point that I'm that I'm

1290
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,799
Speaker 4: drafting and running back to that late or he can,

1291
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 4: like to me be the final running back on like

1292
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 4: a four running back bill.

1293
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 5: Yes on DraftKings.

1294
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm hoping that in regular season long leagues and

1295
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 3: home leagues that it's not that that he's more of

1296
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 3: an afterthought, like I'm hoping that we end up seeing

1297
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 3: adp in like the season long environment, not be I

1298
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 3: guess as sharp, but like you know, we see a

1299
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 3: little bit of these changes and like makes it easier

1300
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 3: to get guys like Tootin and stuff like that than

1301
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,320
Speaker 3: it is, like nothing against those guys, I think you

1302
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 3: can draft them. I'm just saying, like I want it

1303
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,240
Speaker 3: to be like the most obvious click in the world,

1304
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, instead of you actually having

1305
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 3: to think about it and be like.

1306
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 1: Do I want to take on this cost when I'm

1307
00:56:58,200 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 1: taking on this player.

1308
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:02,720
Speaker 3: With the running backs, like we've been saying, like we're

1309
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 3: taking them early and oftentimes, especially if you're in the

1310
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 3: back half of the first round, you're double tapping running

1311
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,479
Speaker 3: back a lot, right, just because of the group that's there.

1312
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 3: So I want to ask you, are there any favorites

1313
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 3: that you have at that one two turn area.

1314
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you can you can extend it into middle.

1315
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 3: Round two and even late round two if you really

1316
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 3: like a Derreck Henry or something. But are there any

1317
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 3: running backs that you've seen seem to go after a

1318
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 3: lot more in that range or are you kind of

1319
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 3: just spreading things out more?

1320
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 1: Evenly?

1321
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 4: I love Ashton Genty in that range like he's I

1322
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 4: mean to think he kind of goes at the top

1323
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:34,919
Speaker 4: of that range.

1324
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 5: Maybe he goes after James Cook.

1325
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 4: And I sometimes I question whether I'm foolish for for

1326
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 4: liking Ashton Genty better than James Cook. But I just

1327
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 4: think he has like krue belcow upside, like the offense

1328
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 4: could take a step forward. The question is like, am

1329
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 4: I just wishcasting that he'll become James Cook like what

1330
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 4: James Cook has been the past couple of years. I'm

1331
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 4: not sure about this, but I but I really like

1332
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 4: taking Ashton Genty kind of at the the end of

1333
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 4: round two and then you know, if you can pair

1334
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 4: him up with Saquon Barkley. I think Saquon could take

1335
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 4: a pretty big step forward with the new offensive coordinator

1336
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 4: this year. You've kind of talked me into you, among others,

1337
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 4: have talked me into Chase Brown as being a really

1338
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 4: strong second round running back target. So there are kind

1339
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 4: of a number of these second round running backs that

1340
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 4: I like.

1341
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 5: Kenneth Walker.

1342
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 4: I think it's kind of fun, like just just going

1343
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 4: to the Chiefs. We haven't really seen the Chiefs with

1344
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 4: a good running back in a while. And who knows

1345
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 4: how they're going to change their offense, especially with Patrick

1346
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 4: Mahomes kind of coming off an injury. Maybe they go

1347
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 4: a little bit more run heavy with Kenneth Walker there.

1348
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 4: So I like Kenneth Walker in the second round, and

1349
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 4: then Omar and Hampton. I do think, like the Chargers

1350
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 4: were so injured on the offensive line last year, Like

1351
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 4: if they can just keep their offensive line healthy, I

1352
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 4: think it'll be an above average offensive line. And amar

1353
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 4: In Hampton was pretty good last year, so I'm pretty

1354
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 4: into him also. So yeah, I do kind of like

1355
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 4: that range of running back in the late first, early

1356
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 4: second round, Like it feels pretty good to doubliclick running

1357
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 4: back there, where you know in years past it's difficult

1358
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 4: to do so because you feel like you're getting behind

1359
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 4: at wide receiver. And part of the reason that it's

1360
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 4: also easier to just do these early round running backs

1361
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 4: is like the mid late rounds, there's a lot of

1362
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 4: receivers that I kind of like, So I'm I'm totally

1363
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 4: willing to double click those that that kind of range

1364
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 4: of running back I'm like, And one that I'm that

1365
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 4: I didn't bring up here that I'm kind of overlooking

1366
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 4: is Devin h Chan, who you know, to me is like.

1367
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 5: It's hard for me to do it.

1368
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 4: I don't want to bet on the Miami offense. And

1369
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 4: then it's like he's just going to be targeted so

1370
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 4: so often that I'm probably overlooking him more than I

1371
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 4: should on on DraftKings. And then of course there's the

1372
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 4: the elephant in the room is that I told you

1373
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,479
Speaker 4: last year that I was probably not going to draft

1374
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 4: Derreck Henry at all on DraftKings, and then he took

1375
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 4: you to to fortieth place in the draftings. You still be, well,

1376
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 4: that is true, but that's because I had be John

1377
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 4: Robinson absolutely crush also. But yeah, Derek, he's a tougher

1378
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 4: profile for me on draftings just with the lack of PPR.

1379
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 4: Even if he's fallen a little bit back in drafts,

1380
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 4: you can get him sometimes in the late second round,

1381
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 4: in which case I'm willing to take it Derrick Henry,

1382
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 4: but he's He's He and Devin h And are kind

1383
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 4: of the running backs in that room that I'm a

1384
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 4: little bit less excited to take.

1385
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1386
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 3: No, the a chance stuff is really really difficult for me.

1387
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:14,439
Speaker 3: I think he's one of the hardest players to really

1388
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 3: evaluate this year. You know, I've been doing a lot

1389
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 3: of work with the draft guide, and he checks all

1390
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 3: the boxes that you want for an early round pick

1391
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 3: until you get to the situation part. And the situation

1392
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 3: is just putrid for Miami. And we do see the

1393
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 3: best outcomes typically when they when these running backs have

1394
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 3: good team environments, and his team environment's terrible, and so

1395
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 3: it is something that it's like how much do we

1396
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 3: weigh that in the end. You know, I do think

1397
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 3: that a chan can pay off, but I think he's

1398
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 3: gonna need like a twenty percent target share to do so,

1399
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 3: Like it's gonna have to be that high, and that's.

1400
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 1: Scary, especially with a mobile quarterback. So I'm with you.

1401
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 1: I haven't drafted him.

1402
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 3: Sometimes he'll fall, Like if you do enough drafts, he

1403
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 3: does because a lot of people have the same logic

1404
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 3: as we're throwing out there right now. So like sometimes

1405
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 3: he falls to like the back half for the second round,

1406
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 3: and it's like, yeah, I'll click them there so I'll

1407
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 3: get some exposure and that's where I'll get my exposure.

1408
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 3: But I'm with you with a lot of the takes

1409
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 3: that you just had, you know, Ashton Genty looks great

1410
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 3: in market score, you know, published that episode yesterday and

1411
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 3: Ashton Genty looks awesome in there. And then the Amri

1412
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 3: and Hampton thing, I need to get a little bit

1413
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 3: more of him because and it's not that I was

1414
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 3: like aggressively fading or anything. It's just the way that

1415
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 3: like drafts have kind of unfolded for me. But the

1416
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 3: thing I feel like with a Mari and Hampton is

1417
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 3: that I think the floor is actually probably pretty decent

1418
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 3: because the offensive environment's so good, and then he's gonna

1419
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 3: get work in that offense. But then the ceiling could

1420
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 3: really hit if things just sort of go his way,

1421
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 3: you know, like if he if he gets like a

1422
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 3: little bit more of a backfield chair than what people

1423
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 3: are projecting and stuff. And I have enough Keaton Mitchell

1424
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 3: that I probably should get more Amri and Hampton. So

1425
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 3: I do think that this range is probably why people

1426
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 3: have the idea that they have about running backs this year, right,

1427
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 3: where like second.

1428
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 1: Round we're pounding them when we don't. Like last year

1429
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 1: was wide receivers.

1430
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 3: In this range, you know, and they screwed a lot

1431
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 3: of people, including me and in some drafts, right, So

1432
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 3: I do think that's probably where the narrative is really

1433
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 3: stemming from. But in the end, it's not dramatically dramatically

1434
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 3: different if you look at the totality of round two,

1435
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 3: I suppose just the early parts of round two. Now,

1436
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 3: another decision you have to make in that area is

1437
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 3: brock Bowers, because he will go smack dab in the

1438
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 3: middle of those of those running backs now and that

1439
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 3: running back run. And then there's also Trey McBride, who

1440
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 3: will slip to the early third round pretty frequently at

1441
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 3: this point. But I guess my question for you is,

1442
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 3: like on DraftKings, are you going with an elite tight

1443
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 3: end approach?

1444
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm the guy who falls for elite tight end

1445
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 4: every year. I'm the goofy meme. I'll f and do

1446
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 4: it again. I'm doing it again with with brock Bowers

1447
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 4: in particular. This year's funny because Trey McBride is the

1448
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 4: one who actually did separate last year, you know, outscored

1449
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 4: the tight end two by over one hundred ppr mad

1450
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 4: weeks one through seventeen.

1451
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 5: He was so good.

1452
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 4: But like, I just have so little faith in Like,

1453
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 4: is it even going to be Jacoby Verst? Is it

1454
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 4: going to be Jacoby Brissett in the weeks that matter,

1455
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 4: and does it matter? Can Jacoby Brissett repeat what he

1456
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 4: did last year? So I have so many questions about

1457
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 4: Trey McBride, whereas brock Bauer was just like, man, he's

1458
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:05,439
Speaker 4: so good when he's healthy. Like last year, I feel

1459
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 4: like last year was just a huge just like forget

1460
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 4: about it, four brock Bowers, because not only did he

1461
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 4: miss time, but while he was playing, he played like

1462
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 4: three or four games where he was just clearly hampered

1463
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 4: by injury early in the year. So I think you

1464
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 4: throw out most of the year four brock Bowers. And

1465
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 4: then on top of that, there's a whole just the

1466
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 4: offense wasn't working, the team fell apart. I think rock

1467
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 4: Bauers could take just a massive, massive step forward this

1468
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 4: year and separate in a big way from other tight ends.

1469
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 4: And yeah, I love the elite tight ends because and

1470
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 4: it might just stem back from like I've been playing

1471
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 4: season long for thirty years now and I just yearn

1472
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 4: for the days of Tony Gonzalez or Gronk and just

1473
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 4: feeling like I'm going to beat my opponent by ten

1474
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 4: points every week. And I feel like you can get

1475
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 4: that from from a brock Bowers, so he can just

1476
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 4: separate so much from the other tight ends that I

1477
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 4: do really love going after rock Bowers that year. Now,

1478
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 4: with that said, I'm not like strictly e elite tight

1479
01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:58,920
Speaker 4: end guy, like I don't like reach to get brock Bowers,

1480
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 4: which I did last year, as I've taking about the

1481
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 4: one two turn.

1482
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 5: Yeah last year.

1483
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 4: I'm doing less of that this year, but I'm still

1484
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 4: going to be pretty significantly overweight. The difference for me is,

1485
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 4: especially with twenty rounds on DraftKings. In Best Ball, you

1486
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 4: can just take five tight ends and hope that you

1487
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 4: know they'll cobble together scores week to week. That it's

1488
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 4: like the separation of rock Bowers versus my five tight ends.

1489
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 4: You just need one of them one of their scores

1490
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 4: every week to get close to his to not just

1491
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 4: get completely bashed in by the rock Bower score. So

1492
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 4: I'm because it is Best Ball and because you like

1493
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 4: have enough draft spots that you can take five tight ends,

1494
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 4: I'm doing it less, so I'm not like.

1495
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 5: Reaching for it.

1496
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 4: But yeah, if I can get rock Bowers that pick

1497
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 4: twenty twenty one, I love it. I'm always excited to

1498
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 4: get Brock Bowers there.

1499
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 3: Have you gone, have you frequently gone five tight ends

1500
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 3: or have you gone like you'll go up to that

1501
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 3: number of tight ends.

1502
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 4: I don't think that I've done more than five. I

1503
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 4: think I've done five a number of times. Just like

1504
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 4: you get to those later rounds, and maybe it'll happen

1505
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 4: less as we get more clarity on like running back

1506
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 4: two situations, pecking orders for wide receivers, et cetera, et cetera.

1507
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 5: I think it might happen less.

1508
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 4: But now it's like you can get like a number

1509
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 4: of starting tight ends pretty later or tight ends with

1510
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 4: really fun upside later in drafts. So yeah, I have

1511
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 4: done five five tight ends on DraftKings a number of times.

1512
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 1: Interesting, I think the most.

1513
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:22,440
Speaker 3: I think the most I've done is four is the like,

1514
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 3: like I'm thinking, like from an allocation standpoint, is it

1515
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 3: a for you when you do that and you have five,

1516
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:33,920
Speaker 3: is it basically like final five rounds? You're basically just

1517
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 3: like doing that at tight end and then you have

1518
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 3: what I guess seven wide receivers if you go wide

1519
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 3: receiver early or something, and then like five running backs,

1520
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 3: you're kind of going with that approach with it.

1521
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I try not to make most of my

1522
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 4: analysis based around using the sidekick. So I use pack

1523
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:55,760
Speaker 4: Rains sidekick tool from legendary Upside, which simulates the season

1524
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 4: and simulates the contests. And I never would have done

1525
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 4: five tight ends in the past just using my brain,

1526
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 4: like you using my own logic. Yeah, I never got

1527
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:06,440
Speaker 4: to five titands. It is because I've been using this

1528
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:08,919
Speaker 4: tool that's like keeps on telling me. So I did

1529
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 4: a live draft yesterday on DraftKings where I took Rock

1530
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 4: Bowers and still kept on getting recommended to take up.

1531
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 4: I took five tight ends in this draft even after

1532
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 4: like it was, I was getting recommended Jackson Hawes, and

1533
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 4: I was like, I'm not going to take Jackson Hawes.

1534
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 4: So I took somebody else and kept let in and

1535
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 4: fall and final I was like, I guess I'll do

1536
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:27,600
Speaker 4: whatever that this will be my one share of Jackson Hawes.

1537
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 4: So it's honestly, it's based largely on the SIMS tool

1538
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 4: that I'm using telling me, hey, you should just take

1539
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 4: take tight ends. Here it's you you're taking a tight

1540
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 4: end who's going to score you some points, or you're

1541
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 4: taking a running back who's probably going to be a

1542
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 4: zero most of the time, but yeah, that one, that

1543
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 4: was one where it surprised me. Usually it kind of

1544
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 4: makes sense where i'say, okay, you're getting five tight ends,

1545
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 4: but they're all in the final seven rounds of draft.

1546
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 5: Like that is usually when it happens.

1547
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 4: It's not usually when you have a Bowers of McBride,

1548
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:56,040
Speaker 4: But yeah, so sometimes I do. I do find that

1549
01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 4: I'm being recommended taking fourth and fifth tight end when

1550
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:01,439
Speaker 4: I'm like, this doesn't make any sense to me. I've

1551
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:05,920
Speaker 4: taken Brock Bauers and Harold Fannin and Dalton Schultz, and

1552
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 4: why do I need a fourth tight end here?

1553
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 5: But occasionally I just give in and do it anyway.

1554
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 3: The beefier tight end room approach, if you want to

1555
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:17,760
Speaker 3: call it, that makes sense when you factor in what

1556
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:20,880
Speaker 3: you just said about where we're at in the off season,

1557
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 3: right or you know, we don't have clarity in a

1558
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 3: lot of these running back rooms and even wide receiver rooms,

1559
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:30,439
Speaker 3: but we do get these usable, startable tight ends late

1560
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 3: that we'll be able to find our lineup more frequently,

1561
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 3: probably than some of the other running backs and wide

1562
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 3: receivers that we would be drafting. But then on top

1563
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 3: of that, it is easy to forget that the tight

1564
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:42,680
Speaker 3: end can find your flex right, Like, it's not like

1565
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:46,440
Speaker 3: you're only using that player in the singular tight ends,

1566
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:48,960
Speaker 3: but now they generally score a fewer points than the

1567
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 3: other positions do, but there's still the possibility. It's a

1568
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:55,120
Speaker 3: full PPR platform where like tight end can match running

1569
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 3: back in some way, especially a late round running back

1570
01:07:56,920 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 3: in some weeks and such. So I haven't gotten up

1571
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:01,920
Speaker 3: to five, and I've done four or frequently because like

1572
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 3: when I can get like Terrence Ferguson type players in

1573
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:08,560
Speaker 3: the nineteenth round, like when I feel confident or Pat Fryarmouth,

1574
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 3: when I feel confident that those guys are gonna have

1575
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 3: some role, I do like kind of kind of putting

1576
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:16,639
Speaker 3: that together and not having to worry about the position

1577
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 3: as early. But it's interesting that you've done it, you know,

1578
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:21,599
Speaker 3: based on what some of the sims are saying, even

1579
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 3: with some of the earlier round tight ends.

1580
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:24,679
Speaker 1: So it's a really interesting approach.

1581
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, honestly, that's one that's like I never love doing it,

1582
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:30,600
Speaker 4: Like I even when I'm using the simulations tool. I

1583
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:32,519
Speaker 4: want the team to make sense to me. I want

1584
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 4: the pick to be like, Okay, that's a pick that

1585
01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:36,599
Speaker 4: I like, I want to make that pick. So sometimes

1586
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:39,599
Speaker 4: i'll ik be off of the sims suggestion, but sometimes

1587
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 4: like just to kind of follow, like see what the

1588
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 4: sims will do and then try.

1589
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 5: To figure out why they did what they did.

1590
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1591
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:47,719
Speaker 5: So yeah, it can be fun to kind.

1592
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 4: Of make teams that you wouldn't otherwise draft because I'll

1593
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:51,800
Speaker 4: do some drafts where it's just like I'm just doing

1594
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 4: what I want to do throughout the draft, and then

1595
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 4: I'll have a mix of these that it's like, I

1596
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:57,639
Speaker 4: don't know why this team makes any sense at all,

1597
01:08:57,680 --> 01:08:59,320
Speaker 4: but this is what the sims are saying, So I

1598
01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 4: guess I'll do it this time.

1599
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. I love it all right. I

1600
01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 1: get a question all the time from listeners. Do you

1601
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:05,080
Speaker 1: care about Bye Weeks?

1602
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:06,080
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1603
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 4: I feel like this is a loaded question where you

1604
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:10,559
Speaker 4: want me to answer no, in part because I've heard

1605
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 4: you say that you don't care about by Weeks.

1606
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:15,599
Speaker 1: Look, I want your true genuine answer to this.

1607
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, my true genuine answer is yes, I do. Actually

1608
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:20,559
Speaker 4: I do care about Bie Weeks. You know I've been

1609
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:22,640
Speaker 4: I've been doing Best Ball content for a few years now,

1610
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:24,559
Speaker 4: and a few years ago that was sort of like

1611
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 4: my my thing. Like people knew me as the bye

1612
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:29,599
Speaker 4: week guy. Neil is the guy who cares about bie weeks.

1613
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:33,040
Speaker 4: He's always breaking every tie based on bye weeks I have.

1614
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 4: I've become a bit less bi week pilled over time,

1615
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 4: but I do think like so it's different to me.

1616
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 4: It's a pretty big difference between best ball in redraft.

1617
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:43,680
Speaker 4: I don't care at all in redraft because in a

1618
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 4: redraft you can just pick somebody up off the waivers

1619
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 4: to fill in your bye week, but best ball, like

1620
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 4: you can't do that. So to me, it's just like

1621
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:52,679
Speaker 4: a matter of I'm trying to find stack every little

1622
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:56,919
Speaker 4: edge i can find to beat this room of twelve opponents,

1623
01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 4: being the top two of the twelve opponents in my room,

1624
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:01,679
Speaker 4: and that's one of those edges that you can stack.

1625
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:03,320
Speaker 4: Is just like I'm not going to take a zero

1626
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:06,120
Speaker 4: at quarterback, and ideally I'm not gonna take a zero

1627
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 4: at tight end, and ideally I'm going to have like

1628
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 4: multiple players that can cover every week at every position.

1629
01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:14,800
Speaker 4: So it is it is something that I pay attention to,

1630
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 4: but I also acknowledge that part of the reason that

1631
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 4: I maybe pay more attention to somebody like yourself. You've

1632
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:27,400
Speaker 4: been doing fantasy football analysis for I don't know, a decade, yeah, decade,

1633
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 4: a really long time at this point, so you're almost

1634
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:33,760
Speaker 4: certainly better than I am at picking players just just

1635
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:36,640
Speaker 4: like finding like the profiles and layer in the profiles

1636
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 4: together of players, whereas I'm more of like I come

1637
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 4: from DFS, Like I have been playing fantasy football for

1638
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:43,760
Speaker 4: three decades. I've had a lot of success at it,

1639
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:46,559
Speaker 4: so I don't want to, you know, downplay my strengths also,

1640
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 4: but I feel like my strength is more in the

1641
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:52,120
Speaker 4: like game theory and try to find other little edges,

1642
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:55,719
Speaker 4: whereas I think like you are elite at like find

1643
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 4: picking players and ranking best of like fantasy football players,

1644
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 4: in which gay, if you're really good at that, then

1645
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:04,240
Speaker 4: maybe your edge is actually in just like finding all

1646
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:07,040
Speaker 4: of the best players and stacking all those best players together.

1647
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 4: So I think it makes more sense for those of

1648
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 4: us who have not been you know, doing fantasy football

1649
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:14,760
Speaker 4: content and you know, creating a zap model, you know,

1650
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 4: all of this for a long time, maybe makes more

1651
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 4: sense for me to focus more on the minutia stuff,

1652
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:22,840
Speaker 4: the little edges that I can find, as opposed to Yeah,

1653
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:24,479
Speaker 4: I just think this player is way better than this player.

1654
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 5: So I'm not gonna worry about the bye week.

1655
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, just another thing for us to worry about, guys,

1656
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:31,559
Speaker 3: Just just another thing for us to think about as

1657
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:32,519
Speaker 3: we're drafting these teams.

1658
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 1: All right, One question I do want to ask.

1659
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 3: Before I get your bold take, because I love asking

1660
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:40,599
Speaker 3: about the bold takes too. The round four to five

1661
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:42,639
Speaker 3: range of wide receiver, which, by the way, we were

1662
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:44,599
Speaker 3: in a draft together. I didn't even realize it until

1663
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:46,000
Speaker 3: we were in like round three or four, but we

1664
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:48,599
Speaker 3: were in a draft together the other day. I loved

1665
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 3: your team. You guys drafted a great team. Mine was

1666
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:53,600
Speaker 3: kind of whatever. It was fine. It was one that

1667
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:55,679
Speaker 3: I walked away from them, like this is at least usable,

1668
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 3: Like I don't think it's a dead team. But in

1669
01:11:57,400 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 3: that draft I was really mad because at the four

1670
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 3: or five turn, you Tookarry McLaurin and Jalen Waddle, and

1671
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:05,040
Speaker 3: I had taken Luther Burden at four or eleven, hoping

1672
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:07,160
Speaker 3: that maybe one of them would come back around and

1673
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:08,960
Speaker 3: I could get one of them, because I like both

1674
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 3: Jalen Wattle and Luther Burden and Terry McLaurin quite a bit,

1675
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 3: but that four to five round range maybe or maybe

1676
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:17,560
Speaker 3: like late third because of the way that ADP is

1677
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 3: sort of like changed and morphed, like where you know

1678
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:22,920
Speaker 3: Lad Goes or z A Flowers at this point that

1679
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:25,679
Speaker 3: whole group. Are there any favorites that you have from

1680
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 3: that group or are there any guys that you just

1681
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:29,479
Speaker 3: don't like? Because to me, I look at all these

1682
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:31,599
Speaker 3: wide receiver profiles and I'm like, yep, I can get

1683
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:33,360
Speaker 3: behind that, Yep, I can get behind that, And I

1684
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 3: really want the wide receivers in that range so much,

1685
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:38,920
Speaker 3: And I'm just curious if there are any guys that

1686
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 3: like really stand out to you or if you're just

1687
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:42,479
Speaker 3: kind of even with those guys.

1688
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:44,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we already kind of like Jalen Wattle

1689
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 4: to me has been a pretty big target just because

1690
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:50,799
Speaker 4: he goes so late. So I have over twenty percent

1691
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:53,719
Speaker 4: Jalen Wattle on DraftKings. He's the one that really stands

1692
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:57,439
Speaker 4: out to me. I'm big time. I have zero percent

1693
01:12:57,479 --> 01:12:59,519
Speaker 4: of DJ Moore so far since you open it up

1694
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:02,360
Speaker 4: to face, I just have not been doing DJ Moore

1695
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:05,400
Speaker 4: at all. I just like the profile is not great,

1696
01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 4: and I know he's going to Buffalo. He's playing with

1697
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:09,559
Speaker 4: Josh Allen, so maybe he revives his career. But like

1698
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:12,519
Speaker 4: he had not a ton of tart competition early in

1699
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:14,639
Speaker 4: the year last year with Caleb Williams playing pretty well,

1700
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:18,479
Speaker 4: I didn't really do anything, so you know, And sometimes

1701
01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 4: I like betting on the like resurrecting their career, like

1702
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 4: the bounce back for a wide receiver, especially who changes teams.

1703
01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:26,880
Speaker 4: But so far I have not been doing that with

1704
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:29,599
Speaker 4: DJ Moore, so he's a pretty big fade. But yeah,

1705
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:31,840
Speaker 4: the favorites for me Jalen Waddle and I kind of

1706
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:34,320
Speaker 4: like the old guys Devanta Adams and Mike Evans. Just

1707
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:37,160
Speaker 4: I think the price is really fair for players who

1708
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 4: should have a lot of receptions and a lot of

1709
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 4: touchdowns this season. The more kind of off the wall

1710
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:45,559
Speaker 4: one for me would be Christian Watson is somebody that

1711
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:48,360
Speaker 4: I feel like I'm buying in more than most just

1712
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:52,800
Speaker 4: because he was so efficient last year. Loses a couple teammates,

1713
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:55,639
Speaker 4: so I could see Christian Watson being an even bigger

1714
01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 4: focal point of the Packers offense this year.

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01:13:58,080 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 5: And I like the price.

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01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:00,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just love that range.

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01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 3: The whole range is like, I can tell a story

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01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 3: about all these guys, but it's funny. I agree with

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01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 3: you totally. Like the one guy that I have a

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01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 3: hard time clicking. It's probably because I haven't gotten super

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01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:11,599
Speaker 3: crazy with Josh Allen either, but it's DJ Moore right,

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01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:15,000
Speaker 3: Like his his last two season peripherals have been pretty horrendous,

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01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 3: and it's just a scary bet to make whenever it's

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01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:21,519
Speaker 3: amongst so many other good wide receivers. Like to me,

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01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:24,320
Speaker 3: DJ Moore would be clickable in like the early to

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01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:27,559
Speaker 3: mid sixth right where he just goes around or two

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01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:29,560
Speaker 3: before that often, you know, and I think part of

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01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:32,599
Speaker 3: it is probably the Josh Allen stacking stuff, but also

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01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:35,519
Speaker 3: you know, people are like, I can see where this

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01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 3: goes south. Where where both of us are sitting down,

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01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:40,720
Speaker 3: you know, in January, and we're like, why did we

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01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:43,040
Speaker 3: do that? Like it's a it's a a guy who

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01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:45,400
Speaker 3: has a backbone that's that's playing in a Josh Allen

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01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:47,519
Speaker 3: led offense. So like, I understand where it can go south,

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01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:49,439
Speaker 3: But a lot of the trends and the stuff that

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01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:51,960
Speaker 3: his historically worked for these players and like where they

1737
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 3: hit in this range, DJ Moore does not check those Boxes.

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Speaker 1: So I'm with you on that one.

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01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:59,240
Speaker 3: But before I let you go, I need I need

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01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:02,639
Speaker 3: your your your old take for this season, whether it's

1741
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:05,840
Speaker 3: player or roster construction anything. I just need I need

1742
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 3: some some fire for me.

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01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 5: Neil.

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01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:09,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been going back and forth on like do

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01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 4: I want to just a player take on like AJ

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01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:15,759
Speaker 4: Brown or Jonathan Brooks. I've been toying with the idea

1747
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:18,840
Speaker 4: of the winning three million dollar team has already been

1748
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:21,639
Speaker 4: drafted because it kind of ties in all these players together,

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01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:24,200
Speaker 4: because there was a period where all of Jonathan Brooks,

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01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:26,760
Speaker 4: A J. Brown, Brock Bauers. You get all of them

1751
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:29,000
Speaker 4: like at a pretty nice range together. I'm gonna I'm

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01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:29,880
Speaker 4: gonna go Jonathan Brooks.

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01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna go.

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01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 4: Jonathan Brooks outscores Chewba Hubbard on the season and is

1755
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:37,080
Speaker 4: a league winner. Is the player that you need in

1756
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 4: the playoff weeks.

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01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 3: I love it. I love that take, Neil. This is

1758
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:42,800
Speaker 3: great as always. Let everyone know where they can find you,

1759
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:44,760
Speaker 3: where your YouTube channel is, and where we can we

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01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:46,840
Speaker 3: can watch that beautiful face of yours.

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Speaker 4: player q so yeah, you can find me at player

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Speaker 4: actually player q dfs, Player q dfs on the social

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Speaker 4: otherwise you want to find me on Twitter, I'm just

1766
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Speaker 4: Flannel Versa or actually, i just just launched a new

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Speaker 4: Ball Whenever. Wherever you get your podcasts on Spotify, Apple, whatever,

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Speaker 4: just search for Best Ball Whenever.

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Speaker 1: Yes, definitely check that out.

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Speaker 1: Otherwise, everyone, thanks for tuning