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Speaker 1: Welcome Bird Gang. On today's show, we know who number

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Speaker 1: one and number two are, but who comes next? We

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Speaker 1: look at the competition at wide receiver a week and

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Speaker 1: a half into training camp. Good to see Corey Peter's

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Speaker 1: back in a Cardinals uniform. But first Rondel Moore's first

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Speaker 1: mistake as an NFL player. It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode

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Speaker 1: four forty nine, and it starts now. Welcome to Cardinals

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Speaker 1: touchdown DeAndre Hopkins, Here's Craig Griolu and Mike Jarecki. So

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Speaker 1: here's hoping Rondel Moore call his mom. After practice on Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: mj he was asked what his or if he had

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Speaker 1: had his Welcome to the NFL moment, And it's a

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Speaker 1: question we ask every single rookie. Usually it's something you know,

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Speaker 1: you meet someone a star in the league, or there's

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Speaker 1: a play on the field. Well, this was a first

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Speaker 1: for me because Rondel mentioned that he had the opportunity

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Speaker 1: welcome to the NFL moment. It's a great moment, feel

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Speaker 1: good moment. It's a problem then, Jay, as he mentioned

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Speaker 1: to the media, he hasn't told his mom yet that

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Speaker 1: that's an issue. Is she on social media? Let's hope

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Speaker 1: Rondel Moore's mom is not anywhere near a computer or here, worse,

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. Because now I'm sorry Rondel here on

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Speaker 1: August fourth, it's out there. You have purchased your mom

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Speaker 1: and I'm getting on the phone and said, Mom, I

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Speaker 1: And then you laid the news to her and it's

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Speaker 1: but clearly the fact that he's able to do this.

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Speaker 1: And then a follow up a question was and he's

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Speaker 1: then Kingsbury was asked, well, did he give Rondel Moore

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Speaker 1: Kingsbury with his feet up in his living room during

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Speaker 1: draft day two years ago, and Kingsbury said, quote, I

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Speaker 1: So a little bit of a personality from Coach Kingsbury

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Speaker 1: Right now, Eno is getting some run with the first team.

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Speaker 1: you will see Jordan Philip on the football field. He's

429
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 1: missed the past four practices with an injury. Christian Kirk

430
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,639
Speaker 1: has now missed the last three practices with a minor injury.

431
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,440
Speaker 1: And then on Wednesday wherein we find out that AJ

432
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 1: Green is dealing with quote a minor issue and was

433
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,399
Speaker 1: not on the practice field. Now, I thought it was

434
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 1: another moment for Kingsbury earlier when he was addressing in

435
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 1: the media MJ to show some of his personality because

436
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,879
Speaker 1: as he mentioned, he's been vague in detailing the injuries.

437
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,879
Speaker 1: Maybe by design, as he said, because right now in

438
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 1: training camp you don't have to provide that information until

439
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,359
Speaker 1: you get to the start of the regular season, and

440
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,359
Speaker 1: as he mentioned, he's going to take full advantage of

441
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 1: that as well as he should as head Coade. So

442
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 1: now we're just China checking well, you know, present absence,

443
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 1: absent presence, and it's a concern when you have some

444
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,239
Speaker 1: of these, you know, I know JJ Watt hasn't been

445
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,159
Speaker 1: on the field at all since the run test, and

446
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 1: now Brian Winters is going to be out for a

447
00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,200
Speaker 1: couple of weeks because he's dealing with an injury. So

448
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,880
Speaker 1: you can look at it one or two ways. One is, well,

449
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 1: these guys are missing valuable reps and it's going to

450
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,920
Speaker 1: hurt them, or it opens up the door for others

451
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,160
Speaker 1: behind them to get those reps and maybe be seen

452
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:16,120
Speaker 1: more than had these other players been on the field.

453
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,399
Speaker 1: A couple of things. JJ Watt has been on the

454
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 1: field watching practice, Jordan Phillips has been out there doing

455
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 1: a little rehab on the side, and Christian Kirk gets

456
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,680
Speaker 1: rehab and he comes out towards the halftime or the

457
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 1: end of practice. So those guys have been out there now.

458
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 1: As for aj Green probably getting treatment now because it's

459
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 1: really the first time that we haven't seen him. Maybe

460
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 1: it was yesterday afternoon after that. But and then the

461
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,639
Speaker 1: other side of it is just the fact that, you know,

462
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 1: I prefer your top five or six receivers to be

463
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 1: out there. But get I get what Cliffs saying, but

464
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 1: I don't know how much these guys are going to

465
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 1: help you in September. You know again, Jojoe Award looks

466
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 1: the part A. J. Richardson looks apart a couple of

467
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 1: these tight ends, and it's great because they didn't have

468
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 1: this last off. It was all zoom and yet should

469
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 1: have had camp, but it was, you know, it was

470
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 1: social distancing. They couldn't even really mingle with each other

471
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 1: couldn't go in somebody else's meeting room, so it's a

472
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,199
Speaker 1: lot different. But you know, these guys are gonna take

473
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,880
Speaker 1: advantage of playing in the preseason, so I could see

474
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 1: both sides, but I just wanted to see the eleven

475
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 1: to fifteen guys are gonna play on both sides of

476
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 1: the ball. But I'm not yelling fire in a theater

477
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: the first week in August. We get to September, then

478
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 1: we'll get more concerned. There are thirteen wide receivers on

479
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 1: the roster. Eight we're on the practice field on Wednesday.

480
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,640
Speaker 1: We have not seen a J. Richardson for the past

481
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 1: couple of days. Have not seen Antoin Wesley on the

482
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 1: practice field the past couple of days. The ladder of

483
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 1: which and that's not concerning, But we've talked about Wesley

484
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 1: just because of his ability to catch the ball first

485
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,360
Speaker 1: and foremost, and then his size, another six foot four

486
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 1: receiver to go along with AJ Green as far as

487
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 1: a backup is concerned. So my thing here, MJ is

488
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 1: we know who number one and number two are DeAndre

489
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 1: Hopkins and AJ Green, but who are the receivers behind those?

490
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,880
Speaker 1: Who are the receivers that this offense can put out

491
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,640
Speaker 1: there on a consistent basis, not just hit or miss,

492
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: and I you know you miss a practice, you're missing

493
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 1: a lot as far as the competition in my mind

494
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: at that position. Now, I say that burg Gang and

495
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 1: Kingsbury had a different answer to that question. He likes

496
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 1: the fact that there is not that consistency with regard

497
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: to the wide receivers being available because it makes it

498
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 1: harder for quarterbacks. And maybe all of a sudden, now

499
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 1: you've got to get used to a number of different

500
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: receivers and what they like to do. That's fine, but

501
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 1: I don't care about the ninth, tenth, eleventh, twelfth wide receiver.

502
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,640
Speaker 1: I want to know about the first five and get

503
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 1: those reps, get that chemistry right now here in August,

504
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: and not wait until the week before the regular season starts.

505
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,880
Speaker 1: I understand. And you know Andy Isabella, you know he's

506
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: getting some reps now. Keyshawn Johnson, I think Andy Isabella

507
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: he may have had a drop yesterday. But the thing

508
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: about Isabella, he could play on the inside and outside

509
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 1: because they do have a log jam at slot. Wesley

510
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 1: was catching everything. Maybe he had one drop and he's

511
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 1: got the size and obviously he played at Texas Tech,

512
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 1: so he's familiar with the system. Yeah, if you're a

513
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: fringe guy, you gotta be out there, and it's got

514
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: to be difficult if the trainer says you're not. You know,

515
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 1: there's a difference of being what hurt and injury. Okay,

516
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 1: if the trainer says you need a couple of days off,

517
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: they know more than we do. We know one percent

518
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 1: when it comes to injury. So but if you're a

519
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,199
Speaker 1: fringe guy, like the fifth, fourth, sixth receiver, I mean,

520
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: you can't miss reps. But again it's it's early. They

521
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: haven't missed any preseason games, they haven't talked. You know,

522
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: we're not focusing on the regular season right now. So

523
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: I guess I'll say what m and Smith said when

524
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 1: he got here. It is what. It is true. But

525
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 1: it's a star saying that. And the fringe players that

526
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: you talk about mje to be on the field, and

527
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: they need to be on the field in August. And again,

528
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: if Hopkins doesn't see any pre or any training camp

529
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 1: practices or preseason the rest of the way, I'm good

530
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 1: with that. I'm even good with that with aj Green.

531
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 1: It's everyone else. And I thought about this this morning,

532
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 1: and I came up with an analogy and helped me

533
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: MJ And maybe maybe this works, maybe it doesn't. But

534
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,959
Speaker 1: it's like a car race NASCAR in the Formula one,

535
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 1: take your pick, wide receivers, high performance vehicles competing each

536
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: and every day. Hopkins and Green, they're on the lead lap.

537
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: There's no one else on the lead lap right now. Yes,

538
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of Christian Kirk, but the best

539
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: ability is availability. And that's cliche, but it's true. And

540
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: you can't be missing practices right now because there is

541
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure on Christian Kirk to deliver. He's

542
00:27:55,560 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: flashed and that's it. And it's the consistency and going

543
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 1: back to the car race analogy, too many guys are

544
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: making pitstops and that includes Christian Kirk. I understand. Hopefully

545
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: he's back center rather than later. I thought he got

546
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: off to a good starting camp, but that's been the knock,

547
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: not being able to stay healthy, and he's dealt with

548
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 1: some ankle injuries. Last year, he dealt with COVID. He

549
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: didn't come off the list until January, so no excuses.

550
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 1: He listened. He knows what's at stake here. They just

551
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: drafted a receiver in the second round. They did it.

552
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: They drafted a receiver in the second round the previous year. Okay,

553
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: so he knows he's in a contract here Again, it's

554
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: only August. I know what you're saying, reps, reps, reps.

555
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: But it's not like he's missed the entire offseason. What

556
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: OTE's and mandatory minicamp because he was nursing an injury

557
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: from last year. I know, I can appreciate your passion there,

558
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: but I'm just gonna get in the right lane and

559
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: let you pass me until these guys get back on

560
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: the field. See what you did there. I like that.

561
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: Now let me ask you this with respects to Ron

562
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: del Moore. I know, as far as depth chart, we

563
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: all think him as being number four behind Christian Kirk

564
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: and being the other inside receiver when they go for wide.

565
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: What are the odds or what are the chances if

566
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: rondel Moore continues this surge like we're seeing so far,

567
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: and that's even with one day in pads. Now we

568
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: need to see it when the lights come on in

569
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: preseason action. But would it surprise you if Ron del

570
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: Moore is the third ride wide receiver you've got Hopkins,

571
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: You've got Green and it's rondel Moore as your slot

572
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: wide receiver. When you go eleven personnel, well, I don't

573
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: think Ron del Moore is going to play sixty snaps

574
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: a game. And I don't think Christian Kirk's going to

575
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: play sixty snaps a game. You could see Hope played

576
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: the majority of the snaps. We'll see how Agean Green

577
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: can hold up. He is now thirty three. He just

578
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: looked good. It's going to be out a little by

579
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: a little time here. So I think when you want

580
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: to go four wide, you got two slot guys. I

581
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: think based on Ron del Moore getting a chance to

582
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: return kicks and punts, I mean, obviously he's done that

583
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: in the past, so I don't I think you can

584
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: rotate go eleven personnel. You know, Kristen Kirk can provide

585
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,959
Speaker 1: the slot for you. Sometimes we're going to see more

586
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: in the bubble screens the jet sweep, so I think

587
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: there's room for both. I know, a couple of years

588
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: ago you thought Kirk is maybe one A or one

589
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: or two A. To me, it's three and three three

590
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: A and three A one. So I think there's enough

591
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: reps to go around and enough, if they average sixty

592
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: five to seventy snaps, you're gonna need four receivers. And

593
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: then you know, Keishawn Johnson has flashed. He's got to

594
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: do it consistent in the preseason. You know, you know

595
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: he's catching the ball, he's getting open, and then and he'sabella.

596
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: He can't teach a speed. Now it's got to all

597
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: come together and he can play on the inside and outside.

598
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: So I still think those are the top four receivers,

599
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: but there'll be games that Rondel Moore may get more

600
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: opportunities in Christian Kirk, but again, Rondell Morris practicing in

601
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: Kirk's not. There is a video making its way around

602
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: social media. There are is in a Cardinals have tweeted

603
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: this video out. It's from practice earlier this week. It

604
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: might have even been earlier on Wednesday. But it's one

605
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: on one wide receiver versus cornerbacks or defensive backs inside

606
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: the twenty yard line and more put a move several

607
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: moves on Charles Washington to just spun Washington around and

608
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: was with wide open by about three four feet in

609
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: the end zone. And again it's one on one. Pads

610
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: were not on It's not a game setting, but just

611
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: the dynamic skill set that Moore has the ability to

612
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: run north, south, east and west and really not lose

613
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: any momentum any steps as well. In fact, Jeff Rogers,

614
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: the assistant head coach and special teams coordinator, talked about

615
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: Rondell Moore as far as moving vertically and laterally quote

616
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: without breaking a stride end quotes, and he was answering

617
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: that in terms of his return ability. But a wide

618
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: receiver as well, the shiftiness that Rondell Moore has shown,

619
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: it's going to make him a very tough cover well,

620
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: and that's a mismatch. If you've got Charles Washington on him,

621
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: he's your safety. You got to get a corner on

622
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: him who's got speed, you know. And that made me

623
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: Robert Alford President at the line of scrimmage could be

624
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: Byron Murphy who's really does a nice job of coverage

625
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: and he's able to get his hands on a few

626
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: footballs deflect it. So that's a mismatch and that's what

627
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: you got to take advantage of. And on the subjects

628
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: of special teams and the return game, it is Rondel

629
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: Moore back there. As far as returning kicks or punts.

630
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: It's Joejoe Award back there. Even saw Keishawn Johnson earlier

631
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: on Wednesday out there fielding kicks, and then they added

632
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: a wide receiver earlier this week. Greg Dort's twenty three

633
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: years old, he's five to seven, a buck seventy five.

634
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: But it's his return ability. He's bounced around a number

635
00:32:55,440 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: of different practice squads, but his ability to return punts

636
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: or kicks, and he was thrown into the BIS. He's

637
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: number thirty eights on your roster Bird Gang. As far

638
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: as in the mix at return and now all of

639
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: a sudden, you know, do you look at someone coming

640
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: really surprising someone to win that punt return kick return job,

641
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: because you know you need to find somebody right now.

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Speaker 1: And I know we're all enamored with Rondel Moore. He

643
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: just might be. He just might see more offensive snaps

644
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: than he does special team snap. Well, Kirk, when he's healthy,

645
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: he's been you know, catching punts. To me, you can't

646
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Speaker 1: keep a guy that can do just one thing well.

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00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: Coach Rogers was asked about that as far as determining

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Speaker 1: who will do that return game quote, some of it

649
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: is going to have to do with preseason games and

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00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: guys performing, and some of it is going to have

651
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: to do with who with kind of guy distinguish himself

652
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: and justify a roster spot. You try and find guys

653
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: that are already up unless he's an absolute difference maker

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Speaker 1: as a returner and quotes. Can the Cardinals find that

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Speaker 1: absolute difference maker that is strictly a return specialist? And

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Speaker 1: I don't know you do it for long snapper, punter, kicker,

657
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: Can you do that for a returner? All I know

658
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: is it was a priority going into the offseason kick

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00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: return and punt returning. And clearly any special teams coordinator

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00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: will tell you they need to get better on coverage

661
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Speaker 1: because you don't want to give the team, you know,

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Speaker 1: starting at thirty five or forty. They feel that they

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00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: have addressed a kicking situation with Matt Prater, they're not

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Speaker 1: concerned about the kickoffs. They'll they'll have a you know,

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00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 1: situations for him. Maybe you kick it high, get it

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Speaker 1: to the seven yard line, hopefully they don't get out

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00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: to the twenty five. So again, I just think there

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00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 1: was a priority and you don't draft the guy just

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Speaker 1: for that, but he happens to do that they liked

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00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: him as a wide receiver. Now, if something happens to

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00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: Kirk and all of a sudden he's playing fifty five snaps,

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00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: then you may have to take a load off him.

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Speaker 1: But he's twenty one, twenty two years old, a ton

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Speaker 1: of energy. Clearly he's going to get hit on some

675
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: of those plays. Um, you know, you got to catch

676
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: him first. But I just feel like that's that's he's

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00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: young enough to where he can do both. Kirk did

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00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,240
Speaker 1: it as a number two and three receiver, but Christian

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00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: Kirk to me, would be an option. And Jonathan Ward

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00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:25,240
Speaker 1: if you feel like he's you know, sometimes the punt's

681
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: different than kickoff return punt. The balls in the air

682
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: a little bit more. It's more common coage. You got

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00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: guys running down there try to tackle you. And when

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00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: the hang time in the NFL versus college, Yes, it's different.

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Speaker 1: And then you got to know the ten yard rule.

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Speaker 1: You gotta you can put your cleats on the ten

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00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: yard rule and if you think it's gonna bounce, you

688
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: have to hit that guy. So it goes in the

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00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: end zone. Kick return a little bit more set up

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00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: when it comes to you're blocking up front, and I think,

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00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: you know, Jonathan Ward to me, could be a backup there.

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00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: Last year it was chased with DJ Foster as the

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00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: up guy. You know, if you know, if he's on

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Speaker 1: special teams, he could be or up guy. You really

695
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: want that guy to be a little bit more of

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00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 1: a blocker. So we wouldn't surprising if we see Jonathan

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00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: Ward now they want him down there to cover kicks

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Speaker 1: and punts. So but I think they'll have some options. Again,

699
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: Joe Joe Award can do all this stuff, but he's

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Speaker 1: the sixth receiver. You just can't have a guy that's

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00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: gonna do that just on game day. And to see

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00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: Keishawn Johnson back there fielding punts, now all of a sudden,

703
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: another option and someone that is that split receiver return

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00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 1: man and trust on game day and now all of

705
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: a sudden you're involved. And that last year it's a

706
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: numbers game as far as who dresses on Sundays, because

707
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: you know, Hopkins is not going to play special teams.

708
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: Green's not gonna play special teams, but everyone else you

709
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: might have to have a role, whether that's returning or

710
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,240
Speaker 1: part of the coverage units. And to see Keyshawn Johnson

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00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 1: in the mix. You know, I haven't seen Andy Isabella

712
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: back there at all. I think that I think that

713
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: ship has sailed, and now he's just strictly a wide receiver,

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00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: and the ability to catch the football in a consistent

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00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: basis is what's going to either keep him on this

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00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: team or find him looking for work elsewhere. I still

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00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: think the organization believes in him. I know people are disappointed,

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00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: you know when you look at some of the guys

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00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: that were drafting in the second round. I mean, you know,

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00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: we heard the same thing about any Zabellos, we heard

721
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: about Ron del Moore, but you could see the upside.

722
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 1: Obviously went to Purduity. You know, he had a similar

723
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: offense under Joe Tiller and then Jeff Bram So it's

724
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,919
Speaker 1: a little bit different, but you can't teach that speed.

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00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: He can play inside and outside. Now, if they dress

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00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: five wide receivers on game day, he's gonna be in

727
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: sweats on the sidelines. Somebody gets an injury. He's the

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Speaker 1: Slash podcast for more information. One last notes on special

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Speaker 1: know about this if you've been out to State Farm Stadium.

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00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 1: But the skinnier goal posts have certainly been the talk

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00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 1: of training camp by a lot of people, because, as

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00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury talked about, this is a Jeff Prador idea.

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00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 1: This is a concept for him. What I said, Jeff Prader,

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Speaker 1: Matt Prador, excuse me, Jeffers there you go. Good catch him.

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Speaker 1: I just you know, I was just trying to see

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00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: if you're paying attention here on this edition of Cardinals

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00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 1: Covered Too. But Matt Prador has this idea, and I

746
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: don't know how long it goes back to. Once we

747
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 1: get a chance to hear from Matt Prador, we'll have

748
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: to ask him. But they are skinnier goal posts about

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00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: what fifteen twenty yards in fronts of the main goal posts,

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00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 1: and it's a way just to kind of a visual tool,

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00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: if you will, and most believed, or according to Kingsbury,

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00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: it was, Hey, if the kick is going to go

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00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: through that first goal post, more likely than it's going

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00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: to make it through the second goal post. As well

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00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: as far as the accuracy is concerned, Well, he joined

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00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: one today and I felt good about it because they

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00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 1: would have gone through the regulation field goal as uprights.

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00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: As Kingsbury said, quote, it just makes the normal goal

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00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: polls feel really big when he's kicking at its end. Quote,

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00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: I thought we had this here a long time, was it,

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00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: j Feely? I thought we had that, because now you're

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00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: testing my memory because when they signed Prador, all of

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00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 1: a sudden, you did see it on the practice field

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00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: and Tempe and they had to, you know, find a

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00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: device where you can get it on and off the field.

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00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,399
Speaker 1: We watched that happen today. Yeah, that's a that needs

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00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: to be video to figure out. I mean, you get

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00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: six guys working in this skinny goal post on and

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Speaker 1: off the field, and it's heavy, and then you got

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00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: to secure it to make sure it doesn't lean over

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00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 1: a tipover. But Jim Matt Prader, he is consistently practicing

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00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: fifty plus yard field goals. He made one earlier on

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00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: Wednesday from fifty three. He was wide ride on fifty

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00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: seven MJ. He's even lining up for sixty plus yard

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00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: field goals. He's not very big yet. His leg, even

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00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: at the age that he's at I believe he's thirty seven,

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00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 1: he still has a very powerful leg. And you had

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00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: a good observation. You know, you see a lot of kickers.

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00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,399
Speaker 1: They'll they'll count like one, two, three, and then they'll

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00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: go to the left or right, depending on which laser

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00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: you're kicking with. He has a shorter when he attempts

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00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: the ball. It's not like you normally see. It's not

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00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: I mean, he's been doing it forever, so it's probably

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00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 1: nothing new to him. But it is too when you

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00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: see kickers. Now, when you're kicking off, you got to

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00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: have some you know a little bit of you know,

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00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: four or five yards to where you can boot it.

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00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: But him, it seems like it's a little bit faster

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00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 1: when he kicking field goals. Yeah, he's not backing up

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00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: as much point at least from our perspective. And I

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00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: aged Prator a year. He just or he'll turn thirty

792
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: seven coming up on August tenth, so his birthday is

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00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: fast approaching, so he'll be thirty seven once the season begins.

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00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: But you know, his kickoffs, there've been talk about, you know,

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00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: can he handle that. He hasn't really done that in

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00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: recent years in the National Football League. But according to

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00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: Jeff Rogers, what they're going to ask Prator to do

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Speaker 1: as far as kickoffs, they're confident that he'll be able

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Speaker 1: to hand it, So for them, it's not a concern. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Like I said, you can kick it high and shorter.

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00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: There'll be times maybe you don't want to kick to

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00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: a certain return guy, maybe based on numbers, and so

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00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 1: then you try to use your coverage units and you

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00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: try to you know, let it, let it roll somewhere.

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00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: Maybe you could get in between. But obviously it's all

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00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: about field position at that point. Anything else, NJ before

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Speaker 1: we close up shop here on this edition of Cardinals

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Speaker 1: cover two from Cardinals training camp powered by Cox. Side

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Speaker 1: of the Commissioner Roger Goodell made it an appearance at

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Speaker 1: the end of Tuesdays taking selfies autographs. Yeah, he looked

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Speaker 1: very relaxed. You know, all teams are in training camp,

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00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: good to go for the season. Yeah, Marco Wilson, I

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00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 1: thought put together another good day. Isaiah Simmons, Zaven Collins,

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Speaker 1: I like what I see there. Um Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: everyone wants to know who looks good and different every day.

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Speaker 1: It's a little bit different for us because we're watching

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Speaker 1: different groups. But Rutledge, I like this guy. Rutledge, Donald Rutledge.

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Speaker 1: Donald Rutledge to me, when you start looking at special

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Speaker 1: teams guys, I don't know if he's going to replace

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Speaker 1: Trent Scherfield from a standpoint on the edge, but Rutledge

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Speaker 1: to me is a guy that you know he's gonna

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Speaker 1: have to do more than just what you know he

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Speaker 1: does on special teams. But I like the way he's

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00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: approached practices and he's making some plays out there. Yeah,

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00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: he's listed as a linebacker by getting a lot more

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Speaker 1: work as far as position position work at the safety position.

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Speaker 1: So something to keep an eye on, because now this

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Speaker 1: is this is what you do in training camp. You

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Speaker 1: try to figure out where you best need a particular

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Speaker 1: player if you have those players that are versatile and

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00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: can do different things. Yeah, he wears forty three. Obviously,

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00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: Psychovits while also wears forty three, they wear a different

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00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: colored jerseys, so if you're coming out here, he does

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Speaker 1: wear number forty three. And on that note, let's put

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Speaker 1: a lid on this edition of Cardinals Cover two presented

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Speaker 1: here on Cardinals Cover two