WEBVTT - Civic Cipher 082722 Racism in the News (Part 1)

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to another episode of Civic Cipher. I am your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Ramsy's job. He is ramses job. I am h Ward.

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<v Speaker 1>You are listening to Civic Cipher. Indeed, be sure to

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<v Speaker 1>stick around, man, we got another great show in store

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<v Speaker 1>for you. We got a lot to talk about this week.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we were able to take a week off.

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<v Speaker 1>We had to tend to some birthday festivities. Whose birthday

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<v Speaker 1>that would be my birthday? Which birthday? That was? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>talk to me, sir. So I was moving around the

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<v Speaker 1>world a little bit, had to go to Egypt, bring

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<v Speaker 1>it in the right way, but around the world a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit, and it was fun. But a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>things happened since we last were able to create a

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<v Speaker 1>show for you, And so we're going to spend some

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<v Speaker 1>time talking about a few things that have made the

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<v Speaker 1>news in our absence and do our best to bring

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<v Speaker 1>some context and some light and some deeper understanding for

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<v Speaker 1>those of you who know about them, and to inform

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<v Speaker 1>those of you who don't know about them. So again,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot to stick around for news related Also, we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be talking about really how these things feel.

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<v Speaker 1>The second part of the show, how does it feel

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<v Speaker 1>to have to handle these these I don't even know

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<v Speaker 1>if micro traumas is the right way to describe it,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, these these we'll call them micro traumas.

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<v Speaker 1>Why not we can do that and how to process them?

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<v Speaker 1>Because if you get news like we get news, then

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<v Speaker 1>maybe you know it can be a bit overwhelming. So

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to spend some time talking about that. For

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<v Speaker 1>our bibble segment, becoming a Better Ally, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk a little bit about the NAACP, how you can

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<v Speaker 1>support and where your dollars go. And then for our

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<v Speaker 1>way Black History Fact, we're going to discuss the history

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<v Speaker 1>of rhythm and blues. We've been on a musical kick

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<v Speaker 1>here lately, and we don't want to stop it just yet,

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<v Speaker 1>so stay tuned for all all that and more. But

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<v Speaker 1>first and foremost, like we always do it, this time,

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<v Speaker 1>let's discuss some ebony excellence, shall we? We shall this

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<v Speaker 1>week it's brought to you by Hip Hop Weekly Media

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<v Speaker 1>and the story comes from Afro Tech. We're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>someone who Q knows very well, woman by the name

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<v Speaker 1>of Alison Felix. So the quick and dirty version of

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<v Speaker 1>the story is that and correct me if I'm wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Cue she was sponsored by Nike, and she ended up

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<v Speaker 1>getting pregnant and Nike kind of backed off. They didn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to honor the contract or wanted to change the

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<v Speaker 1>terms of the contract or something like that. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll read a bit of it, but the long and

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<v Speaker 1>short of the story is that she ended up moving

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<v Speaker 1>away from Nike because they weren't supporting her in a

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<v Speaker 1>moment when she was vulnerable. As we know black maternity,

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<v Speaker 1>maternal health is a big issue because the outcomes aren't

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<v Speaker 1>always consistent. They're never consistent if you're black, with that

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<v Speaker 1>of our Caucasian sisters. And so Nike abandoning her prompted

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<v Speaker 1>her to start her own thing. So we're gonna kind

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<v Speaker 1>of touch on that a bit, but here's a quote

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<v Speaker 1>from her. She said one of the areas of fulfillment

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<v Speaker 1>was her footwear brand, Sache. She launched it in June

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<v Speaker 1>of twenty twenty one. The venture was created for women

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<v Speaker 1>and by women, and considers all facets of life, including motherhood. Seiy.

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<v Speaker 1>She was important Felix to spearhead, as she learned firsthand

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<v Speaker 1>from her exit with nineteen twenty seventeen that even one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most popular apparel companies failed to prop up

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<v Speaker 1>pregnant female athletes and new mothers, and it's not lost

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<v Speaker 1>on us that she was she is a black woman.

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<v Speaker 1>She's currently run in the Olympics in Japan wearing them

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<v Speaker 1>under the banner I know my Place, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's something that was said to her from one of

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<v Speaker 1>the Nike executives, know your Place. So she used that

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<v Speaker 1>as a positioner for her company. So once again, shout

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<v Speaker 1>out to Alison Felix. You indeed are Ebony excellent.

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<v Speaker 2>Allison, I'm super proud of you, Kenny, Allison, and Cameron.

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<v Speaker 1>I love you all very much. Keep doing your thing

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<v Speaker 1>and we're going to keep supporting indeed. All right, moving

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<v Speaker 1>on a lot of headlines, big shout out to our

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<v Speaker 1>show producer Maggie b Knowing we had a lot to

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<v Speaker 1>wade through to get this show together, and so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's been There's been a lot coming at us from

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of different directions. The first story that we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk about is a story that we've touched

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<v Speaker 1>on repeatedly, has to do with Breonna Taylor, and this

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<v Speaker 1>story comes from the Justice Department. The headline reads, former Louisville,

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<v Speaker 1>Kentucky police detective pleads guilty to a federal crime related

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<v Speaker 1>to the death of Breonna Taylor. I'll read a bit

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<v Speaker 1>about this. So, the Justice Department announced today that Louisville

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<v Speaker 1>Metro Police Department detective Kelly Goodlett, aged thirty five, pleaded

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<v Speaker 1>guilty in federal court to conspiring to commit two federal crimes.

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<v Speaker 1>Goodlett admitted that she conspired with another former LMPD detective

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<v Speaker 1>both to falsify an affidavit to obtain a warrant to

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<v Speaker 1>search Breonna Taylor's home without probable cause, which resulted in

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<v Speaker 1>Taylor's death, and to cover up the false warrant by

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<v Speaker 1>lying to criminal investigators actor Taylor was killed. Poof Now,

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<v Speaker 1>if you were alive in twenty twenty, you know that

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<v Speaker 1>we and we our community demanded that the cops that

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<v Speaker 1>murdered Breonna Taylor be arrested. And that has been a

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<v Speaker 1>long fought battle. That train has been moving very slowly,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, the wheels of justice oftentimes do turn

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<v Speaker 1>very slowly. But this is something that we're happy to see,

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<v Speaker 1>but it also kind of causes us to stop and think. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing that jumps out of me, of course, is

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<v Speaker 1>that we know Breanna Taylor's name we're familiar with her story.

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<v Speaker 1>There are so many people whose names we don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>so many stories that do not make national headlines. Black people,

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<v Speaker 1>as you know, are overrepresented in the criminal justice system,

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<v Speaker 1>as we are, over policed and fairly sentenced. But when

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<v Speaker 1>you see things like this, I believe our position, which

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<v Speaker 1>oftentimes looks like, hey, the odds are stacked against us,

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter. If we're one hundred percent squeaky clean and

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<v Speaker 1>we're you a first responder as Breonna Taylor was, and

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<v Speaker 1>we live a life that is as right in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of being on the right side of the law as

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<v Speaker 1>anyone else, that this system can beat our door in

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<v Speaker 1>and find us, try as we might to hide from it.

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<v Speaker 1>This story shows us that there are behind the scenes

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<v Speaker 1>factors and people that create the cancerous corruption that makes

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<v Speaker 1>its way into our lives. In other words, this woman

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<v Speaker 1>falsified documents then lied about it. But we're just talking

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<v Speaker 1>about falsified the documents necessary to set off this chain

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<v Speaker 1>of events resulting in her debt. So yes, she's just

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<v Speaker 1>as guilty, and the fact that she pleaded guilty to

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<v Speaker 1>it it helps because oftentimes what we see is that

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<v Speaker 1>people don't plead guilty they plead innocent, that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a long fought trial, and then the judge hands

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<v Speaker 1>down a light sentence. And this is why we have

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<v Speaker 1>to ourselves affirm that black lives matter, because Breonna Taylor,

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<v Speaker 1>if you can hear us today, you were not born

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<v Speaker 1>to die. That should not have been your story. That

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<v Speaker 1>should not be anybody's story who's endowed with consciousness. But

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<v Speaker 1>for us in our community, it seems very often that

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<v Speaker 1>we have to affirm that because things like this happen

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<v Speaker 1>both right in front of our face and of course

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<v Speaker 1>behind the scenes as we're seeing in this exact here.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is all a part of a system of

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<v Speaker 1>people who at best don't care. At worst hate us.

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds like you seem like you got someth mistake.

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<v Speaker 2>It's more about having something to feel than something to say.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I thought what you just said a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>times before. Yes, right, but hearing it already was different. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>right at at obvious is what I would say. Hate

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<v Speaker 2>us not so obvious could care less right with the

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<v Speaker 2>smile on their face, kind well to do people who

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<v Speaker 2>live out their entire lives just not giving the damn

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<v Speaker 2>about the outcomes that we live with. On a very

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<v Speaker 2>very regular basis. You know, the Attorney general in Kentucky,

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<v Speaker 2>just proudly, with a smile onness face, campaigning now for

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<v Speaker 2>an increase in pay and uplifting and political power, saw

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<v Speaker 2>no reason to even pursue anything beyond you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>guess what he considered to be a thorough investigation of

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<v Speaker 2>the officers involved in that crime. And at his campaign

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<v Speaker 2>rallies he's reminded of his failure. I won't even say

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<v Speaker 2>he takes it on the chin. He just pretends it's

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<v Speaker 2>not happening, not even decent enough a person to acknowledge

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<v Speaker 2>and or apologize, because how dare we ask for or

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<v Speaker 2>require or expect some sense of accountability from him. It's

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<v Speaker 2>tough reliving our realities. And like you said, that young

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<v Speaker 2>lady was not born simply to be murdered in her

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<v Speaker 2>sleep in her home doing nothing wrong for reasons that

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<v Speaker 2>someone created, falsely manufactured us, and then perpetuated after the

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<v Speaker 2>fact the lie to then cover up what they'd done

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<v Speaker 2>so that no one would be held accountable, which is

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<v Speaker 2>what we talk about more on this show than anything else.

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<v Speaker 2>I think people sometimes take our stance as we'd like

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<v Speaker 2>the same awful things that happened to black people to

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<v Speaker 2>happen to other people. And it's quite the contrary when

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<v Speaker 2>awful things happen to other people, and or when black

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<v Speaker 2>on black crime happens, it's not a real thing. When

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<v Speaker 2>the perpetrators are known and caught on camera, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>there's an account to be paid, there is a penalty there.

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<v Speaker 2>And far too often, even when we know the names, faces, jobs, locations, addresses,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, daily happenings of the perpetrators who kill our

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<v Speaker 2>people because they have a badge, they get fired with pay,

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<v Speaker 2>and as taxpayers, we're responsible for making sure those people

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<v Speaker 2>still get their salaries for having murdered us a vacation.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I think that that's and we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>this recently. But again, this is part of the reason

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<v Speaker 1>why affirming why making our mantra black lives matter is necessary,

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<v Speaker 1>because left to our own devices, if we were to

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<v Speaker 1>look around and read you know, the news articles that

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<v Speaker 1>come away, or just be alive and conscious, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in this country, you might, like oftentimes artificial intelligence excursions

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<v Speaker 1>ah yield, you might find that black lives don't matter,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and that black life is less valuable and

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<v Speaker 1>is often associated with criminal You know, these sorts of things.

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<v Speaker 1>If you, if you didn't know any better, that would

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<v Speaker 1>be your reality, just because that's what the world teaches you. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>the police shoot these people? Well, why was he running away?

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<v Speaker 1>Could it be that he was afraid that he was

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<v Speaker 1>going to die? Or was it criminal in nature? Who

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<v Speaker 1>runs from the police? Standard? Ye? Who looks like so

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<v Speaker 1>it was definitely criminal. So let me add to that.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a whole lot of facet here that the same

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<v Speaker 1>system that you know, the front facing part of the

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<v Speaker 1>criminal justice system, and is of course the police have

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<v Speaker 1>this very very cavalier attitude when it comes to black

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<v Speaker 1>and brown people, which is collateral damage. Well, their supporters

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<v Speaker 1>have a cavalier attitude with regards to black and brown people.

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<v Speaker 1>Their attitude isn't cavalier at all. It's very aggressive, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>very violent, Sure, very shoot first, ask questions later, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>or shoot first and not care later. Absolutely so, yeah, cavalier.

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't even assign that because it's it's it's very

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<v Speaker 2>intentional and it's not just in general either, Like this

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<v Speaker 2>is not our imagination to our listeners that don't have

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<v Speaker 2>this same reality. Some of you, if you're if you've

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<v Speaker 2>listened to more than one episode of this show, I'd

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<v Speaker 2>assume that you may think along the same lines as us.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you're just tuning in, or if you're listening

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<v Speaker 2>for the first time where you know, if you're listening

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<v Speaker 2>just so, you can pick us apart. Sure, but our

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<v Speaker 2>reality is one that is very different from yours. And

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<v Speaker 2>these outcomes are very, very very intentional. It's not by chance.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not creating a narrative. We're just speaking about a

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<v Speaker 2>reality that not everybody can see because they don't live it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll take that a step further. You and I we

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<v Speaker 1>speak about our own reality. Yes, so let's let's I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna skip ahead a bit. So there's another story that

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<v Speaker 1>came out. Uh, this one came This one comes via

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<v Speaker 1>NBC News. Deputy resigns after pulling a gun on a

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<v Speaker 1>pregnant black mother during a traffic stop. Now, let me

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<v Speaker 1>read a little bit about this. We saw the video,

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<v Speaker 1>of course. Unfortunately, a white Florida sheriff deputy has resigned

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<v Speaker 1>after he pulled a gun on a pregnant black woman

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<v Speaker 1>during a traffic stop as her three distressed children watched

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<v Speaker 1>on and record. Did the tense interaction. Ebany Washington said

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<v Speaker 1>she didn't immediately stop when an officer tried to pull

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<v Speaker 1>her over in Bradford County on August twelfth because it

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<v Speaker 1>was dark and she didn't want to scare her kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Dessoux followed her. That's the officer's name. Dissoue followed her

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<v Speaker 1>with a siren and emergency lights on and ordered her

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<v Speaker 1>to stop. At one point, De Sue said over the

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<v Speaker 1>patrol vehicle's PA system, pull the vehicle over, or I

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<v Speaker 1>will put you into the ground, the sheriff. The Sheriff's

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<v Speaker 1>office said. Body camera video of the incident, released by

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<v Speaker 1>the Sheriff's Department and shared by John and Phillips, Washington's attorney,

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<v Speaker 1>showed De Sue shouting to Washington's car, if you make

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<v Speaker 1>any movement, that'll be your last mistake you're gonna make.

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<v Speaker 1>He then emerges from his vehicle, was gunpointed at her

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<v Speaker 1>and yells for her to get out. Washington is seen

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<v Speaker 1>with her arms out the window of her vehicle. She

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<v Speaker 1>says the door is locked, and this Sue says, unlock it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not worried. I've got my gun on you all

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<v Speaker 1>right now to your point, que you're talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>aggressive shoot first, you know this sort of thing right now,

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<v Speaker 1>I have to play Devil's advocate because we have to

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<v Speaker 1>do that. We just have to, so hear me out.

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<v Speaker 1>We choose to, and it's to preserve some integrity and

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<v Speaker 1>it's for us to be where fair people right, right.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's thank you for saying it a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>better than I could. So an officer catches someone speeding

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever, some minor infraction, attempts to pull a person over.

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<v Speaker 1>The person doesn't pull over immediately, So what is the

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<v Speaker 1>officer thinking? Perhaps this person is trying to flee or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they have to be paranoid. They're a paranoid

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<v Speaker 1>sort as we know they. You know, my business partner, Sean,

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<v Speaker 1>he told me guns bring about gun energy, right, This

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<v Speaker 1>is what he told me. He's not a gun person,

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<v Speaker 1>neither of mine, but that's what he said. So these

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<v Speaker 1>guys have guns on him, so they're like ready for

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<v Speaker 1>death at any you know what I mean. So everything

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<v Speaker 1>is super heightened, right, This is my assumption. But you

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<v Speaker 1>know they have to be careful too. They want to

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<v Speaker 1>preserve their own life. Again, I'm playing devil's advocate here

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<v Speaker 1>to you so this person is not being they're not

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<v Speaker 1>pulling over immediately, So now you're on high alert. Why

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<v Speaker 1>is this person not pulling over? There must be something

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<v Speaker 1>going on here. Maybe it's an ambush, maybe they're going

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<v Speaker 1>who knows right, who knows, We don't know, but that's

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<v Speaker 1>not the point. Just let me let me paint the

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<v Speaker 1>picture here. They get to after some time, get to

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<v Speaker 1>the next well lit place, and the officer is not

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<v Speaker 1>at a point where he's wanting to ask questions. So he,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, pulls the gun out because he doesn't know

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<v Speaker 1>what to expect, you know, and he's trying to enforce

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<v Speaker 1>the law best he knows how based on his assessment

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<v Speaker 1>of the situation. We'll give him all that, okay. My

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<v Speaker 1>thinking is that the moment a pregnant woman gets out

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<v Speaker 1>of the car with their hands up and she's cooperating,

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<v Speaker 1>at that point, the threats to end your life, and

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<v Speaker 1>you can see that this is black women, you know, police,

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<v Speaker 1>they have their headlights on you. Black pregnant woman emerges

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<v Speaker 1>from the car. At that point, you don't need that

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<v Speaker 1>aggression anymore. You don't need that anger, that fear, whatever

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<v Speaker 1>it is. Maybe your adrenaline is pumping whatever the case is.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you are a civil servant, you have to

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<v Speaker 1>recognize that that same person that you might cite for

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<v Speaker 1>speeding is indeed someone that that you work for. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>those tickets that goes to pay your salary and buy

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<v Speaker 1>you your next tank and all that other sort of

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<v Speaker 1>stuff too. Right, so you know one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that happened to me, that very same thing happened to me.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing is that happened to me in daylight. I

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<v Speaker 1>shared the story before. It was about nineteen years old.

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to school, got pulled over because I

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<v Speaker 1>was going to get an inhaler from my cousin. I

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<v Speaker 1>had to go to the bank and then pull out

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<v Speaker 1>some money to buy them and inhaler. Because it couldn't breathe.

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<v Speaker 1>Police pull me over. All the police pulled me over

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<v Speaker 1>is a bunch of police. They had gun on me.

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<v Speaker 1>They told me to get out of the carve my

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<v Speaker 1>hands up. I'm told, if you make any sudden movements,

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<v Speaker 1>we will kill you now. We will shoot you now,

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<v Speaker 1>we will wound you now, we will arrest you. Not

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<v Speaker 1>you'll be in a big trouble. Mister. We will kill you.

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<v Speaker 1>So coming that close with death, I think justifies her

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<v Speaker 1>wanting to pull into a place that's well lit and

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<v Speaker 1>keeping everybody as honest as she possibly can. The thing

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<v Speaker 1>is on this show and in this space, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think to your point, Q, we as black people have

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<v Speaker 1>a very different experience, and for us, there is a

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<v Speaker 1>chance that we could die pulling over. There's a chance

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<v Speaker 1>anything could happen if we pull over where it's dark,

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<v Speaker 1>If we pull over where it's well lit, we might

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<v Speaker 1>have a chance for some justice because there might be

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<v Speaker 1>a recording of it. We might not die. We might

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<v Speaker 1>not die, but you know, if there's a recording, there

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<v Speaker 1>might be an investigation.

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<v Speaker 2>At least we've seen recordings lead to investigations that led

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<v Speaker 2>to nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know what I'm trying to say. You know what,

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<v Speaker 1>So we might not die.

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<v Speaker 2>If we can get into some light and someone might

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<v Speaker 2>be recording it, we might not die. The idea that

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<v Speaker 2>we're hoping that that might lead to justice is just

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<v Speaker 2>a bit beyond the scope of reality. It's not real.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not in that moment. We're not hoping I might

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<v Speaker 2>get some justice. We're hoping I hope I can get home,

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<v Speaker 2>and in her case, I hope I can get my

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<v Speaker 2>kids home. And that we don't die during a traffic style.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't want to pull over in the dark

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<v Speaker 2>where I can't even reassure my kids that everything will

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<v Speaker 2>be okay. I'm going to be scared no matter what.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd rather my kids not fall into a panic and

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<v Speaker 2>or have to watch me be killed by a police

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<v Speaker 2>officer for whatever the infraction was. Because even if I

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<v Speaker 2>outrun you, sir, in my car, I don't pull over immediately.

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<v Speaker 1>I just keep driving. The worst case scenario.

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<v Speaker 2>For you, you didn't get to issue a ticket. So

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to hear about how paranoid or afraid

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<v Speaker 2>you are. You're just hyper vigilant and you want to

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<v Speaker 2>something punitive has to happen today. And once I see

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<v Speaker 2>that you're black, this punitive damages are going to be

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<v Speaker 2>aggressive and violent, and.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what that's Another point is that oftentimes with black people,

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<v Speaker 1>police don't fear the repercussions. So let's just thought experiment.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not even gonna flesh it all the way out.

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<v Speaker 1>Q hates when I do this, but it's important. I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's tell the tell the story that I just told.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell it to yourself again, but now make this a.

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<v Speaker 2>Middle age, don't make middle aged, I don't make these

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<v Speaker 2>people old. But doesn't it they can just be white people. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>Ramses has to try to paint the picture of these

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<v Speaker 2>people get so fragile and dasile. It's not just detailed though,

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<v Speaker 2>it's often middle age and or old. No, that's completely unnecessary.

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<v Speaker 2>Any age, white person doesn't have to be woman, doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>have to be old.

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<v Speaker 1>Man.

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<v Speaker 2>Just white, just white is enough for this interaction to

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<v Speaker 2>be benign. You were speeding, so here's the fine for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Have a great day, sir. That's it. And you can

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<v Speaker 2>even be annoyed at them for pulling you over. Cust

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<v Speaker 2>them out, run them over with.

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<v Speaker 1>Your car, take their gun to shoot. That gun will

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<v Speaker 1>not come out of that hoster, not by their hand.

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<v Speaker 1>That's crazy. So let's just be straight. They don't have it.

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't have to be an old business couple, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>leaving the country club.

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<v Speaker 1>No, just a white person. Well, the point I'm making,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're not wrong. The point I'm making, though, is

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<v Speaker 1>that how does the story look to you? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>does it look like, well, wow, why did the police

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<v Speaker 1>officer pull out their gun? The lady was clearly just

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<v Speaker 1>trying to pull over somewhere that was well, you see,

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<v Speaker 1>and the way the news and the right of course

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<v Speaker 1>frames their conversations is very different. If the person who

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<v Speaker 1>was trying to find the welded area is white. If

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<v Speaker 1>it's a black person, it's like, well, you know the law,

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<v Speaker 1>the lights come on, you got to pull over, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And if the person is not black, and it's like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we understand, no one wants to pull over in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of the dark.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't see anything. Of course, she's trying to get

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. And this lady she slowed

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<v Speaker 2>down hazards on it turned her hazard lights on to

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<v Speaker 2>signal that hey, I see you. Yep, I'm cooperating, yep.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not speeding off maintaining this distance. I'm just trying

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<v Speaker 2>to get somewhere where I won't be as afraid and

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<v Speaker 2>therefore my children, when I give myself the best possible.

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<v Speaker 1>Chance, I did. That's very same thing on a freeway.

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<v Speaker 1>I told this story too. In front of the airport

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<v Speaker 1>here in Phoenix. They wanted to pull me over and

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<v Speaker 1>I was all the way in the left lane and

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<v Speaker 1>if I got to the right lane, I was going

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<v Speaker 1>to miss my exit. And I was like I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know this freeway, so let me put my hazards on

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<v Speaker 1>and drive slow. And they were just as mad until

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<v Speaker 1>they found out I was Ramsey's job from the radio,

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<v Speaker 1>so I got I looked out with that one