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Speaker 3: Getting closer to the Draft too? Yeah, which I am

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Speaker 6: What else any any Patriots stuff though that uh happen?

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Speaker 2: All right, Welcome the Patriots unfiltered. It is Thursday here

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Speaker 2: at Gillette Stadium, and of course we get closer and

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Speaker 2: closer to the draft. It's silly season with all the

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Speaker 2: rumors and JJ McCarthy rising up. But I think the

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Speaker 2: headline today has to be the passing of O. J. Simpson.

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Speaker 2: You know, I guess he had cancer, didn't know. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: his last post on social was in February, so you know,

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Speaker 2: chances are it was, you know, so like, I'm not

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Speaker 2: sad about it, obviously, but I think it's sort of

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Speaker 2: a it marks, you know, something in American pop culture history.

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Speaker 2: Sports it it you know, traverses a whole bunch of

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Speaker 7: And now now he's on yeah, uh kind of shout.

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Speaker 7: My dad worked it for Wilson Sporting Goods up in Buffalo,

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Speaker 7: went back when he was at his prime, and so

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Speaker 7: my dad had interactions with him. I think he actually

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Speaker 7: and then he was really hilarious and they get gun too, Like,

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Speaker 2: I was in the Prudential Center mall. You know, they

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Speaker 2: they're chasing they're chasing OJ.

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Speaker 7: I mean it's just you know, I don't know, you

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Speaker 7: So no end of an era though, Yeah yeah, oh Jay, Yeah,

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Speaker 7: Like I said, it's not something like we're sad about

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Speaker 7: Yeah, there's a couple of good documentaries too out there

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Speaker 2: But you know, here's another one like if he hadn't

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Speaker 7: You know, I mean he celebrated I probably at least

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't have You wonder if they still wondered

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, maybe that is his bust still in

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Speaker 3: And I don't really understand. I think the Heisman Trophy

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Speaker 7: Right, So Reggie Bush lost his who lost their hesan

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Speaker 7: Reggie Reggie Bush lost his Heisman over like his mom

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah. So I don't get Canton or the Heisman

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Speaker 2: Because last the last time I remember, they still had

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Speaker 2: So that's OJ. And then of course, you know, no,

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Speaker 2: less important here, probably more important here is the draft.

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Speaker 2: And we've been discussing ongoing conversation here. Anything changed for

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Speaker 3: So let me ask you guys. Okay, no, I don't

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Speaker 3: I'm just curious how much stock you guys are putting

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Speaker 7: I was actually talking to Evan about it. Were kind

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Speaker 7: of joking Evan. Evan doesn't like JJ McCarthy very much

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Speaker 3: But that's I mean, it's sort of irrelevant to what

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Speaker 3: you know. Yeah, yeah, you really think that the Patriots

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Speaker 7: I would say my feeling would be yes, but in

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Speaker 7: and that's what I kind of keep going back to

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Speaker 7: at third. Overall, they this organization needs a slim dick.

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Speaker 7: I don't care what position.

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Speaker 2: I did print out the Dane Brugler Beast, the whole

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Speaker 2: I printed the whole thing black and white.

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Speaker 3: I did print.

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Speaker 7: Actually I have with me because we're going to record

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Speaker 7: the quarterbacks segment. I did print the quarterbacks. I thought

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Speaker 2: So I mean, he's got JJ McCarthy is the fourth

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Speaker 2: he's got JJ McCarthy is number four. And I was

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Speaker 2: thinking about it like every year, like there's the end

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Speaker 2: But then almost invariably, what we thought originally is what happened.

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Speaker 2: Yeh, unless the guy gets caught on film.

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Speaker 3: That's that's a different that's a different thing. But like

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Speaker 3: the media goes up and down and we ride through

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Speaker 3: all the different rumors. But I think in general Fred's right.

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Speaker 2: And so if that's the case this time, I would

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Speaker 2: say they're not considering him at number three. Yeah, but

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Speaker 7: I mean, he's he mean, he's got that thing that's

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Speaker 7: you know, he's just an incredible leader, and it's so

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Speaker 7: hard to quantify that as a professional. And I mean

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Speaker 7: and looking back, I mean, the kid has lost like

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Speaker 7: three or four games ever in football. I mean it's

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Speaker 7: just a scene like that's what the record is.

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Speaker 2: That's kind of I mean for some people it's not

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Speaker 2: new information. But for me, it was like he came

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Speaker 2: He was telling teammates, if you're here to chase women

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Speaker 2: So I mean that means something to me. I mean

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Speaker 2: that attitude like Brady, where you know, he's here to

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Speaker 7: I mean it seems like it, but I again, like

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Speaker 7: you know, look at Trevor Lawrence right, like he never

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Speaker 3: I like Fred's you know, Fred talking about the intangibles,

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Speaker 3: which I do think irrelevant. You know, when you know,

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Speaker 3: if he had that kind of a mindset, he was

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Speaker 3: that kind of a leader, I think all that's important. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm not really interested in the guy's high school rerecord.

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Speaker 3: He won it. Well, no kidding, he's a big time recruit.

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Speaker 2: I like that, you know. So, And then I heard

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Speaker 3: I heard I think I heard Berth this morning say,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you know about McCarthy, and I'm with you, guys,

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Speaker 2: I don't understand that either.

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Speaker 3: No, I mean I think he's a safe pick.

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Speaker 2: He's a safe pick if all you're gonna do is

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Speaker 3: No, But like, what can I mean if you really

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Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Which is that's that's why I'm anti McCarthy. If

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Speaker 3: like I can do brock Purty. I can just plug

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Speaker 2: Mean today's NFL, you can't get away with that. You've

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Speaker 3: Of I agree with all of that, Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 7: I don't know what's safe about him. I think it's

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Speaker 7: like he's he's probably and he's that B level quarterback

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Speaker 7: he's athletics. I think it's the biggest run. But he's

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Speaker 7: the biggest risk because you don't really know for sure.

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Speaker 7: I mean, you can talk yourself into him, you know.

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Speaker 2: He wins a lot. But so let's just say you're

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Speaker 2: he can do? What what are you looking for in

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Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy that can tell you, all right, he's worth

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Speaker 2: you know, it's you know, every He doesn't really have

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Speaker 2: can he can he process fast? And can he learn

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not telling you he can.

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Speaker 2: But he's got that. Like you said, he's got the tools.

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't think he has as good as

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Speaker 2: No, but he might have that. You know, Brady didn't

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Speaker 3: To I'm not telling I'm not giving you the reasons

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Speaker 2: But if there's some way to determine that between he

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Speaker 7: Maybe I just don't think for the Patriots. I mean,

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Speaker 7: I think that they would be better off, you know,

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Speaker 7: I don't. I don't see the safe pick to him

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Speaker 3: I mean feel the same way. And again, I'm not

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Speaker 3: I'm intrigued. I mean, I think there's an element of unknown,

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's gonna and I don't like I've heard

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Speaker 2: Well, did anyone ask him why is why do you

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Speaker 7: I mean, I'm like, this is kind of too those

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and again this isn't I'm not making fun of

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Speaker 3: And what makes this guy safe? And I did I

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Speaker 3: heard a lot of this with Mac Jones that I

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Speaker 3: didn't understand. You know, he's the safe guy.

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Speaker 2: You know, we're not going to ask him to do

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Speaker 3: Wildly more talented than Mac Jones like McCarthy. In fairness,

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Speaker 3: I do not think that he's you know, as my

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Speaker 3: an apt comparison at all. McCarthy has far more cleticism

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Speaker 2: Just in terms of arm strength, running ability. Yeah, because

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Speaker 7: You know, But again it goes back to Mac playing

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Speaker 7: asked him. I mean, I wouldn't be opposed to him

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Speaker 3: Taken a guy at three. It's a guy that you

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Speaker 2: Get a freaking star if you could, if you could

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Speaker 7: Sure, yeah, you know, I mean me too. I mean

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Speaker 7: Does it even make sense that the like, because I

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Speaker 7: I think some team will take the cheese and I

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Speaker 7: But I mean you can see some of the some

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Speaker 7: done it with Mac, we've been here before, and I

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Speaker 7: just I'd rather miss on a high ceiling guy and

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Speaker 7: safe and you know, get a guy who But is the.

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Speaker 2: Problem with McCarthy's is the dilemma. Yeah, with McCarthy's, we

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Speaker 7: Yeah, But I also think he would have seen glimpses though, Like,

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Speaker 7: hard to think that he's going to get to the

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Speaker 6: You know, those kind of things. That's you know, and

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Speaker 2: they won because of him.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 2: You know you can't really do that with McCarthy.

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Speaker 7: the Beast is is reckless, you know, making reckless decisions

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Speaker 7: But I don't care about Like you got the arm,

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Speaker 7: I like, let's miss on him, Like it's I just

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Speaker 7: I won't mind missing on Drake May. But I just

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Speaker 7: you know you want to have him in the mid

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Speaker 7: first run, You're not, it's not that far.

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Speaker 2: I just want to know what Ben McAdoo thinks.

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Speaker 6: Well, So to tie it up right, put a bow

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Speaker 6: on it.

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Speaker 3: So Drake May, if he's gonna bust. If he can't

439
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Speaker 3: ever find a level of consistency right, he will not

440
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Speaker 3: pan out and that will be you know, his downfall.

441
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Speaker 3: He continues to make the kinds of mistakes that we've

442
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Speaker 3: seen when he tries to do too much in college.

443
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Speaker 3: He continues to do that.

444
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Speaker 7: Josh Allen stays in kind of those first couple of

445
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Speaker 7: years where it's like.

446
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Speaker 3: We doesn't refine his mechanics, improve his accuracy and avoid

447
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Speaker 3: you know risk. With McCarthy, it's that he's just not

448
00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:31,520
Speaker 3: that good, right, Like Fred says, we never got a

449
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Speaker 3: chance to see it when he had to put the

450
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Speaker 3: team on his back. And it's not his fault that

451
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Speaker 3: his conference. And again I touched on this on Tuesday.

452
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Speaker 3: For some reason, the Big Ten is considered, you know,

453
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Speaker 3: on par with the SEC, and all the other leagues aren't.

454
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Speaker 3: I don't get it because the Big Ten is so

455
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Speaker 3: top heavy with two teams to me, two and a

456
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Speaker 3: half teams. Because I think Penn State is good but

457
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Speaker 3: not great. The other two teams can play with anybody.

458
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Speaker 3: That's it. That's it. Yeah, I don't really am Zethy.

459
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Speaker 3: Clemson won national titles when they were at their heyday

460
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Speaker 3: in the in the acc the league's still stunk, right,

461
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Speaker 3: and no one said anything about Trevor Lawrence right now.

462
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Speaker 3: I understand that Drake May is not Trevor Lawrence in college.

463
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Speaker 3: That's not That's not my point. I'm just talking about

464
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Speaker 3: the level of competition hereeah is my point. So one guy,

465
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Speaker 3: he has all the tools, but you got to beat

466
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Speaker 3: some of the inconsistency out of him. The other guy

467
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Speaker 3: just might not have it right, So why is that

468
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Speaker 3: guy safe?

469
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Speaker 7: I don't get it, And I mean, I think it's

470
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Speaker 7: worth pointing out that Trevor Lawrence thing too, of how

471
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Speaker 7: does he react when he gets to a team where

472
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Speaker 7: it's not just a humming offense that's all built around him,

473
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Speaker 7: and then everything runs smoothly and he just you know,

474
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Speaker 7: can play his part. Like you know, it feels like

475
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Speaker 7: if Drake May comes in here and he sits for

476
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Speaker 7: a little bit and then he comes in like he's

477
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Speaker 7: gonna have to deliver some stuff if this team's gonna

478
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Speaker 7: you know, make that kind of jump. We felt like

479
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Speaker 7: with Bled Cell, you know a certain point where it's like, Okay,

480
00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 7: this team's starting to really build around this quarterback. They're

481
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Speaker 7: starting to believe in him. We're seeing, you know, we're

482
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Speaker 7: seeing some some evidence that this is headed in the

483
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Speaker 7: right direction. It's just I think it's a lot to

484
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Speaker 7: ask of JJ McCarthy to go into a situation where he's,

485
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Speaker 7: you know, at least on the field, hasn't experienced a

486
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Speaker 7: ton of you know, adversity. He's pretty much been on

487
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Speaker 7: the winning end every single game he's taken the field

488
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Speaker 7: since high school. So you know, what's it look like

489
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Speaker 7: when his left tackle is a little rookie shaky.

490
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Speaker 3: I just, you know, looking looking back at the two

491
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Speaker 3: seasons he played, I would wonder how many games Michigan

492
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Speaker 3: played that they legitimately could have lost.

493
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Speaker 7: And my guess is that that number is less than five, right, yep, yeah, yeah, you.

494
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Speaker 3: Know, whereas you know, I just I feel like just

495
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Speaker 3: because like like North Carolina probably could have lost any

496
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Speaker 3: game in the last two years, Yeah, because they weren't,

497
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Speaker 3: you know, head and shoulders better than the other teams

498
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Speaker 3: in the league. As evidence, this year they lost some

499
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Speaker 3: some really mediocre to bad teams like Virginia, you know,

500
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Speaker 3: because they're not that much better than Virginia and and and.

501
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Speaker 2: I think, you know, along this same topic, you know,

502
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Speaker 2: in terms of games they should have won couldn't win.

503
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Speaker 2: Caleb Williams. I think even though he's the consensus first pick,

504
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 2: his stock is actually rising, if you can believe that,

505
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 2: because people are looking back and seeing just how bad

506
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Speaker 2: they're just how bad their defense was, and like he's

507
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Speaker 2: losing games scoring thirty and forty points when he cried, well, yeah,

508
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 2: you keep bringing that up. But I think you know,

509
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 2: people are looking at the games that they lost and say, no,

510
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Speaker 2: it wasn't Caleb Williams.

511
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Speaker 3: You know that's not why they lost. He wasn't today

512
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Speaker 3: with that stat was it? Because I know Fred and

513
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Speaker 3: I both heard the same interviews. Yeah, he went through

514
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Speaker 3: the whole Yet the only time Washington's defense allowed forty

515
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Speaker 3: two points all year was against USC in a game

516
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Speaker 3: that they won. That happened, that happened to UC like

517
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Speaker 3: six times.

518
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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I think it's uh. I mean, I'm guessing

519
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 7: obviously everybody is that he's going to the Bears, but

520
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:57,239
Speaker 7: it's gonna be an exciting ride for them.

521
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Speaker 6: Like I mean, I think that it's going to be.

522
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Speaker 7: Probably maybe a little bit of rollercoaster early on with him,

523
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Speaker 7: But again, I think he's worth missing on for the Bears.

524
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Speaker 7: And he's got that you know, special potential talent to

525
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Speaker 7: just make plays and you know, if he's able to

526
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Speaker 7: get some good protection and you know, learn to play

527
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Speaker 7: within their system. I mean, he's got some pieces around.

528
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Speaker 2: I just wonder what the Bears think of the other

529
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Speaker 2: two guys, because if they were, if somebody was willing

530
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Speaker 2: to give them a haul for Caleb Williams, would they

531
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Speaker 2: do that, because you know what, we can live with

532
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Speaker 2: Jade and Daniels, or we can live with Drake.

533
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Speaker 3: May you know, I don't think they would do that.

534
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Speaker 7: I mean, I I don't know. The more I've done

535
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Speaker 7: and I think I said this, but I just like

536
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Speaker 7: Jade and Daniels scares me more and more like and

537
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Speaker 7: there's just too many little things. And there's no question

538
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Speaker 7: he's talented, but it's it's just there's only one Lamar Jackson.

539
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Speaker 7: And I think that, you know, it's it's easy to

540
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Speaker 7: be like, well, if you kind of can put it

541
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Speaker 7: all together, it's like Lamar, and it's like only Lamar

542
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Speaker 7: has kind of combined all those elements.

543
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Speaker 2: But he's at this stage in his career. He's a

544
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Speaker 2: better thrower than Lamar.

545
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Speaker 7: Yeah, but still I think he's you know, he's he's

546
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Speaker 7: a little bit thinner, he's you know, light, He doesn't

547
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Speaker 7: I mean, it doesn't maybe have the technical issues that

548
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Speaker 7: you know, Lamar had to work through with his motion

549
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 7: and those kind of things, but I don't know, he

550
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Speaker 7: he scares me a little bit. And again it's you know,

551
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Speaker 7: it's just a third overall. I just don't think they

552
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 7: can afford to miss. I'd rather take brock Bauers.

553
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Speaker 2: And just pay.

554
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Speaker 7: We've got a stud tight end. It's it's not going

555
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 7: to be great, but you know what I mean, I'd

556
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 7: rather just hit on a potential superstar than you know,

557
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,479
Speaker 7: roll the dice on a quarterback that you don't one

558
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 7: hundred percent believe in. And right now, really I believe

559
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Speaker 7: in May. I would believe in Williams. He's going to

560
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 7: be gone. But you know everybody else, I'm kind of like, eh,

561
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Speaker 7: like I want May, That's.

562
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Speaker 2: What That's what I want. Yeah, And the other thing

563
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Speaker 2: that we're talking about this morning is the pressure on

564
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Speaker 2: an organization to play a guy right out of the

565
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Speaker 2: gate when he's you know, a high pick. And the

566
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Speaker 2: only time there isn't pressure is when the team's pretty

567
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 2: good already, when you have a Aaron Rodgers already playing,

568
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 2: or an Alex Smith and you're playoff contender, then there's patience.

569
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Speaker 2: You know, we can wait, we're already in the playoffs,

570
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 2: but when you're not, and you could say, well, you

571
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 2: should be patient, it's easy to say. But when you

572
00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 2: see people not showing up at games, you know, and

573
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 2: your sponsors getting a little bit antsy, it's hard to

574
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 2: not take that new toy out of the box and

575
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 2: put them out there to generate some excitement.

576
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Speaker 7: It's you know, I'm just interested to see a rookie

577
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 7: in comparison to what we saw from Mac and what

578
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 7: I saw from Stidham to his a rookie and this

579
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 7: will be, you know, the third rookie quarterback that kind

580
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 7: of just had a chance to see. That, to me,

581
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 7: will be really fascinating, especially with the pedigree that somebody

582
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 7: like May has compared to what macead.

583
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Speaker 2: person at walk in Wednesday every Wednesday in April from

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598
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Speaker 2: You may get in on the spot offer to join

599
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Speaker 2: the team. I think Mike, if you walked in, they'd

600
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Speaker 2: be like, Mike, join the park. Come right in, join

601
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 2: the team. Park way out there, man, you just.

602
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Speaker 3: Leave your car home and walk I.

603
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 7: Know, I know it's parked in Lot four, that's smart.

604
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 7: But motocross taking up a.

605
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Speaker 2: Lot by the movie theater.

606
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Speaker 3: So do you go in E two?

607
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: Yeah?

608
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Speaker 7: Actually I found out a little interesting now. Yesterday I

609
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 7: was going around. You know, they truck all this and

610
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 7: they truck all this dirt in and I was asking him, like,

611
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 7: do they travel with the dirt or you know, do

612
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 7: they buy the dirt? And we found out that they

613
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 7: actually store the dirt locally motocross like it's more less

614
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 7: expensive for them to just have a field somewhere nearby

615
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 7: and whenever they go to the city, hey, we got

616
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Speaker 7: to go pick up our dirt. So probably interesting to

617
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Speaker 7: know them about me.

618
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 2: But yeah, I would think there's a whole science behind it,

619
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Speaker 2: because you don't want to bring in dirt from other regions.

620
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 2: You might contaminate, Yeah, because the air would blow around

621
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 2: things and things. Seeds from other areas could come and

622
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 2: you could get invasive vegetation that isn't supposed.

623
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Speaker 1: To be here.

624
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 7: The Japanese not weed. You gotta watch out exactly. That's bad.

625
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 7: There's is grat just a little off season.

626
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 3: Good dirt talk.

627
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 2: People don't know what we're talking about. The motocross is

628
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 2: here followed by a monster jam. It's a lot of

629
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 2: dirt and yeah, it's tons and truck.

630
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 7: They both use the same dirt. Though, can you use

631
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 7: dirt on a motocross that you also use on a

632
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 7: why not dir?

633
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 2: Why not quality of the dirt? But it's It's amazing

634
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 2: how quickly they get that track ready.

635
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, I know, it's a like dirt bikes at little

636
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 7: little dirt bike cruise around in the woodswear.

637
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

638
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 7: Never liked these guys with like the power band and stuff.

639
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 7: You know, it takes off. Never never that intense.

640
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 2: But yeah, okay, I digress. All right, all right, so

641
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 2: we've got the draft.

642
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 7: Oj Evan's talking to uh Taki Taki, Yeah.

643
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Speaker 3: And uh talky TALKI to Taki tak.

644
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Speaker 7: Yeah, tacky tacky number sixteen in your number sixteen your playbook.

645
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Speaker 7: I don't know about that one.

646
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, these guys are just so pathetic.

647
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 2: They announced some of the numbers, right, do you want

648
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Speaker 2: to talk about that?

649
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Speaker 7: I'd love Gonzales Rezales went to zero?

650
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Speaker 6: Which other?

651
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Speaker 7: I mean they you know, put a picture up a

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Speaker 7: Gnzalt me and Paul we're talking. They already got a

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00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 7: picture up Gonzalez in the in the lobby. But number six,

654
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Speaker 7: so they got to they gotta ch planning some Mapu

655
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Speaker 7: though I think went to fifteen. He wasn't part of

656
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 7: the announcement though from us the other night. So yeah,

657
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 7: some number jiggering. But you know what I was thinking

658
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 7: about though, is hard, Like, what are quarterbacks going to

659
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 7: do because all these like defensive backs and line everybody's

660
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 7: taken zero to twenty, and I mean our quarterbacks allowed

661
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 7: to go above nineteen.

662
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 6: Like, I don't I think that's it.

663
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 7: Like quarterbacks are kind of route restricted. There's no number

664
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 7: is really.

665
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Speaker 2: Available, Paul, what's worse an ils or the number thing

666
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 2: that they changed all these players.

667
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 3: I don't have any problem with allowing people to wear

668
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Speaker 3: whatever number they want.

669
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 7: Okay, I mean you got like ten to thirteen.

670
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Speaker 3: The amount of attention it gets is, you know among

671
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 3: the media is kind of odd to me.

672
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 2: Yep, it's exciting, all right. Web radio at patries dot

673
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 2: com is the email address. Our phones are still down,

674
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 2: but we did get that piece of equipment, that critical

675
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 2: piece of equipment that Matt Morrell needed. So I don't

676
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 2: know how long it's gonna take, but at least we've

677
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 2: got this stuff in house that we needed to change

678
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 2: over our phone system to this new hole.

679
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 7: Man, we're gonna get some some hot takes when people

680
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 7: finally were able to call any gown.

681
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 2: I hope people remember us. Yeah, I mean, right now,

682
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 2: Eldrick is just driving around to talk to the tear

683
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 2: coming out of his eyes.

684
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 7: He's like just hearing us trash. Michael Pennoxy is like

685
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 7: getting so road raged out, Like I hope he's okay trashing?

686
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 6: No, no, but yeah he's fine.

687
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 2: Let's see Connor in Narragansett, Rhode Island, right, Sin. I

688
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 2: haven't seen really seen this mentioned, but I don't think

689
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 2: it's that bad an idea. If the Patriots do not

690
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 2: love any of the top quarterbacks, what do you think

691
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 2: about trading down to six with the Giants getting their

692
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 2: first two picks this year, their first next year in

693
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones, See what you can get out of him

694
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 2: for a year and go from there.

695
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 7: No, do what at sicks? Well, you get all those picks, neighbors, you.

696
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 2: Get a tackle, you get neighbors.

697
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 3: So how many how many picks in addition to their

698
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 3: starting quarterback? Are you getting to move down three spots?

699
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 2: You're getting in another first this year and one next year?

700
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 7: What are their what is their second pick this year too?

701
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 7: He said the first two picks? Is that a first?

702
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 3: I was gonna say there was more than that. There

703
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 3: was more than that that he put in that email.

704
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.

705
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 7: I've seen enough of downly Jones and those joint practices'

706
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 7: that's just a waste of time.

707
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dylan from Nashville rights in. I was wondering why

708
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 2: folks haven't been talking about Drake May's hand size nine

709
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 2: in an eighth, which is small for an NFL quarterback.

710
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 2: I've known it's important for quarterbacks to have bigger hands

711
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 2: when playing in places like New England. Should this be

712
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 2: a concern caveat mac Jones's hands are nine and three

713
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 2: quarters and he still sucks.

714
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I've got all that.

715
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 3: It's arm strength more than hand size.

716
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 7: But yeah, yes, J J. McCarthy's is only nine nine,

717
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 7: I got them all the hands right, nine even, Yeah,

718
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 7: Caleb Williams is nine and three quarters, Drake May is

719
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 7: nine and an eighth. Jade Jingis is nine and three eighths.

720
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 2: Small Connie's, but if you have strong, smaller hands, that

721
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 2: would make up for one of those grips.

722
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 3: To me, the thing about the bad weather is your

723
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 3: arm strength.

724
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

725
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 3: Does your path? Do your passes get affected by the

726
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 3: wind in the weather? And I don't really see that

727
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 3: as an issue with to be honest, McCarthy or May.

728
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 3: I think MacCarthy's arm is plenty strong enough.

729
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think Kenny Pickett have really small hands.

730
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 3: That was Kenny Pickett wore gloves and stuff. Yeah he

731
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 3: had small hands. But again, Kenny throw like that's that's

732
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 3: the big thing to me.

733
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 2: Uh, Tyler writes in from Georgia. On Tuesday show, Mike

734
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 2: suggested the nickname may Day for Drake May should become

735
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 2: a Patriots bad understanding. It was part of an email game.

736
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 2: I nevertheless think that could end up being a harmful

737
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 2: nickname to the quarterback we're going down, whether justified or not.

738
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 2: May is already going to be compared to Brady and

739
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,959
Speaker 2: everything he does. But to add that by forcing him

740
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 2: to live up to the legacy of Red Sox legend

741
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 2: Sam may Day Malone is just that.

742
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 3: That was one that was my first thought was alone.

743
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 3: But I figured I'm one hundred and ten years old.

744
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 3: Not everybody's going to be on that one.

745
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 2: And there's too obvious of a name.

746
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 7: There's going to be too many annoying nicknames for him.

747
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 7: You know, it's got to be May. You know, we'd

748
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 7: hear a lot of that stuff.

749
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't know why we don't have that

750
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 3: drop yet. I've been calling for for like three months.

751
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 3: But what are you gonna do?

752
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 7: Music rights issue?

753
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 2: Speaking of the Red Sox, the five nothing and they

754
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 2: lose the game.

755
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, oh yeah. It's not going as well against here

756
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 7: on the East Coast.

757
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 3: As now, oh, when you're actually playing, when you're playing

758
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 3: a team that can, that can, that can actually play,

759
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 3: it's not as oh okay, yeah, it's too bad now.

760
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 3: Two and four against teams with a pulse there, five

761
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 3: and one against the.

762
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 2: Others Ford and Savannah with Cliff Kingsbury being the OC

763
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 2: in Washington, the acquisition of Marcus Mariota and the letting

764
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 2: go of Sam Howell. Can't we ascertain that Washington is

765
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 2: going after Jade and Daniels As you always say, don't

766
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 2: listen to what they say, but what they do.

767
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 3: I mean, I think they're taking Jayden and Daniels. But

768
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 3: I don't know.

769
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 2: Is he saying because Mariota is kind of a running

770
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 2: mobile quarterback? Yeah, yeah, I don't know what that has

771
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 2: I mean, is he any more mobile than Drake may Is.

772
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 7: I mean he's fairly mobile.

773
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 3: I mean he is, but like I think these guys

774
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 3: are all pretty mobile. I think McCarthy moves pretty well

775
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 3: as much as I am not sold on him. I

776
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:07,919
Speaker 3: think he has good athleticism.

777
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 7: I mean Daniels has that.

778
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 3: Daniels is he's the best runner, like an actual runner.

779
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 3: I'm not talking just mobility running.

780
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 7: You know.

781
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,399
Speaker 3: He had I think heran for over a thousand yards

782
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 3: last year.

783
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 7: Right, I'm sure we could find that out right here.

784
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Daniels, He's right, the email is right,

785
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 3: he's the best runner of the crop.

786
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:31,439
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, yeah yards.

787
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 3: So when we were talking about, you know, the ability

788
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 3: to you know, sit a guy and wait and all

789
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 3: that and how it's I wonder if anybody has done

790
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 3: any kind of studies on it, like I mean Bert had.

791
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 3: You know, again, we're feeding everything off of what we

792
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 3: heard from Bert this morning, and a lot of people

793
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 3: have talked about you know, last whatever fifteen twenty years.

794
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 3: They've been very few examples of guys that actually sat

795
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 3: for a whole year. I think there's only two since

796
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 3: two thousand and eight, really three because Mahomes played one game.

797
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 3: But the ones that played all, you know, the vast

798
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 3: majority of him.

799
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 7: Is it.

800
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 3: Anybody ever done a study as to why that they

801
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 3: failed if they failed, as opposed to just saying well

802
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 3: he got ruined. He played him too early. Like you know,

803
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 3: they talked about a story today about Green Bay. What

804
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 3: do you say? He was talking to Micha Lafleur about

805
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 3: it and if we had to play you know Jordan

806
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 3: Love when he was a rookie, he wasn't ready and

807
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 3: would have ruined him. Well, based on what now, if

808
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 3: you want to tell me, you wouldn't have had the success. Sure,

809
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 3: But like I would argue Patrick Mahomes, had he played

810
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 3: as a rookie the whole year, not only you would

811
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 3: have been more dangerous in the playoffs that that particularly

812
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 3: which you ended up getting knocked out. The next year,

813
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 3: which was his first full year as the starter, was

814
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 3: the famous twenty eighteen AFC Championship game. Maybe he doesn't

815
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 3: struggle for the first couple of series of the game,

816
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 3: and maybe he just lights it up the whole game

817
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 3: and they win the Super Bowl.

818
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 7: He accelerated the process.

819
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 3: Everybody likes to say like, see when you sit a guy.

820
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 3: He went like, well, if you're going to say that,

821
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 3: I'm going to say that it cost them a title

822
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 3: maybe two, because if he played right away, maybe he

823
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 3: would have won more. Like there's no way of knowing

824
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 3: I would like to see, like somebody really break down

825
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 3: what a guy was coming into the league and have

826
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 3: their coaches that, you know, the team's coaches where he was,

827
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 3: you know, mentally heading in. You know, we talked to

828
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 3: Brian Hoyer a little yet in the past, Yeah, Matt,

829
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 3: Matt Smith and I did the thing with Brian Hoyer

830
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 3: yesterday for Pats in the past. That's going to be

831
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 3: out soon. Some really interesting stories he told. He talked

832
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 3: about that rookie year for Mac Jones. There was a

833
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 3: time that he actually thought that they were telling Mac

834
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 3: Jones everything ahead of time, like this is what this

835
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 3: is what you're going to do in practice, this is

836
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 3: what the this is what the reads are going to

837
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 3: be in it. Like that's how good he was, Like mentally,

838
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 3: that's how sharp he was. Mentally, Mac was, Yeah, Okay,

839
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 3: he got ruined? Was he not ready?

840
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 2: Well? I think one of the I was thinking about

841
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 2: that same thing, and I think when the risk of

842
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 2: playing somebody too early is when you don't have good protection,

843
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 2: when you just can't run a play because you've constantly underseen.

844
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 3: But if you have an end, how do you know? Well,

845
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 3: but that the guy was ruined as opposed to not

846
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 3: good enough.

847
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, but like, if you're not giving

848
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 2: him a chance from you know, then that if I

849
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 2: don't think my line is right, I sit the guy.

850
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 2: But if I think my line is right, I think

851
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:01,280
Speaker 2: this is like to Paul's point, there may be less

852
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 2: risk than people think by starting a guy.

853
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 3: I also think if you having a guy understand, like

854
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 3: Tom Brady figured out. Do you remember how much Tom

855
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 3: Brady got sacked the first year he played comparatively to

856
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 3: the rest of his career.

857
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:18,439
Speaker 2: Well, but I remember parcels like going to the line

858
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 2: and saying, I don't care what you have to do,

859
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 2: keep this guy on his feet. I mean like he

860
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 2: was adamant.

861
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 3: I know, but this was Brady when Belichick was here,

862
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 3: so it was a different coach.

863
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 2: And I thought you were talking BLEDSOE did I say,

864
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 2: I thought you? I'm sorry, I thought you.

865
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 3: How much Brady got sacked? Lets never got sacked early.

866
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 3: That's when I'm Brady got sacked a ton in two

867
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 3: thousand and one comparatively to his rest the rest of

868
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,399
Speaker 3: his career. It was a very high total for him.

869
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 3: And I think what he what he ended up learning

870
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 3: from it was how to slide protections, how to understand

871
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 3: where the pressure was coming pre snap, and he turned

872
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 3: into like the greatest ever. Now he's a savant. I'm

873
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 3: not comparing everybody anybody else to him, but I think

874
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 3: there's something to be said for learning under the gun.

875
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 3: Even if you don't have a good, good offensive line,

876
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 3: there's some benefit that you can get from that.

877
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 2: Now every points to Carr, but maybe David Carr wasn't

878
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 2: that good to begin with.

879
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 3: Well, that's my point, and I'd like to have somebody,

880
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 3: not like a media guy, like I want people in

881
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 3: the NFL that were involved in these coaching staffs, various

882
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 3: guys like Johnny Manziel. To me, is not a guy

883
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 3: who got ruined. Johnny Manzel, it's pretty obvious why he

884
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 3: didn't work, right, Uh, what's JaMarcus Russell. It's pretty obvious

885
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 3: why he didn't work. Like I don't think he got

886
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 3: ruined because he played too quick, but someone who had

887
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 3: everything sort of in place, they gave him the keys,

888
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,879
Speaker 3: Like tell me why Bryce Young didn't work last year?

889
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 3: And if he's never going to be anything in his career,

890
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 3: I want to hear from Frank Reich where he was

891
00:40:55,880 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 3: mentally what he thinks. Potentially he was damaged. You know,

892
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 3: did he lose his confidence, Zach Wilson. Did he lose

893
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 3: his confidence as a result of playing too soon? You know,

894
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 3: I would like a real good analysis of that. Or

895
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 3: do you just think the guy was kind of wild

896
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 3: and rough around the edges and he didn't have any

897
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 3: success and it's spiraled and he was never going to

898
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 3: have any success, whether he waited the year, two years

899
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 3: or whatever.

900
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Speaker 7: I just I just think we throw around quarterbacks getting

901
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 7: ruined way too too liberally. I just I don't think

902
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 7: it really happens.

903
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:26,919
Speaker 6: I just well, I mean.

904
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 2: Bill Walsh was the famous guy who wrote the book

905
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 2: on it, and he he said that all quarterbacks should

906
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 2: wait at least two years before they play. Time for that, Yeah,

907
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 2: well that's the thing.

908
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 7: But that was what he felt like, you know, Carson Wentz,

909
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,760
Speaker 7: he like, did he get ruined or was he always

910
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 7: not good?

911
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 6: Baker Mayfield?

912
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 9: Was he.

913
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 3: Wentz? I think got ruined by his broken leg? Right

914
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 3: like that was that was his second year. He was

915
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 3: okay as a rookie. His second year he was on

916
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 3: the way to being an MVP. He broke his leg.

917
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 3: I think that's I think he lost some athleticism as

918
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 3: a result of But your point is is valid, Like

919
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 3: what constitutes playing too soon equals ruining him? And I'd

920
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 3: like to have someone really do a good study on that. Yeah,

921
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 3: And I'm not telling you I have the answer.

922
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 2: I know, I know idea.

923
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 7: I don't either. I just I just kind of push

924
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 7: back on the how liberally it gets thrown around that

925
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 7: he was ruined. And like even with Mac, like, I

926
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 7: think there's a certain degree of when rookie quarterbacks come in,

927
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,399
Speaker 7: they don't know what they don't know, and to your point, Paul,

928
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 7: like they're being told what to do and how it's

929
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 7: going to go. But as their career progresses and the

930
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 7: team needs more for them, certain guys just aren't able

931
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,280
Speaker 7: to continue that, Like, they aren't able to organically evolve

932
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 7: and become that guy themselves.

933
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 6: They're like, you know what I mean?

934
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 2: So, like when you say ruined, that means you're saying

935
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 2: the guy had ability, but you ruined it. Okay, So

936
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 2: there's three ways that you ruin a guy. He gets

937
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 2: injured and.

938
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 7: Right, and that's ruined. It's just an injury, that's you

939
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 7: know what I mean. Like, I don't, I don't know,

940
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 7: I just that don't see the correlation with ruined injuries happen.

941
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 2: Like yeah, Then the other one is like he was

942
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 2: so bad he just never got a second chance, and

943
00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 2: so you ruined him, you know, But who doesn't get

944
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 2: that second chance? Like if even Zach Wilson got bench

945
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 2: and then he brought back, you're gonna get another chance. Ma,

946
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 2: that's probably gonna get another chance. So like that's not

947
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 2: ruining him, you know. So then the third way is

948
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 2: that he was under so much theress that mentally he

949
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 2: became scrambled outs and he never recovered, and that if

950
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 2: that's the case, then he never was probably that good

951
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 2: to begin with.

952
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 3: But I could make an argument that in that particular case,

953
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 3: you probably didn't do him any favors by playing him

954
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 3: too soon.

955
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 2: No, absolutely, Yeah, But like if he doesn't have the

956
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 2: mental wherewithal to recover from that, okay, put him on

957
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 2: the bench.

958
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 3: But maybe he didn't when he was twenty one or

959
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 3: twenty two, but he might have when he was twenty

960
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 3: three or twenty four, right, I don't know.

961
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, but that's yeah, that's the hard thing, Paul, is

962
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 7: just like where's the line of like we.

963
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 3: Have these things that become fact. Yeah, and again I'm

964
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 3: not telling you that quarterbacks don't get ruined by playing

965
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 3: too early. I think some of them do. But I

966
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 3: just would like to have someone who understands this as

967
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 3: opposed to just oh yeah, they ruined Mac Jones.

968
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 7: I mean, I would just say any quarterback who was

969
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 7: quote unquote ruined was not ever going to be an

970
00:43:58,120 --> 00:43:58,760
Speaker 7: elite quarter.

971
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 3: You know, one of the two guys that didn't play

972
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 3: right away that in that that it was Jake Locker.

973
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 3: So he didn't play right away? And how do you

974
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 3: pan out him?

975
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: That ruined him?

976
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 3: That was what I guess, he got ruined by playing.

977
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 2: But what about like you know, Ryan Leaf for example,

978
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 2: you know, like why was it Jack Jake Locker? Who

979
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 2: was Jake Jake Locker?

980
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 3: No, I was trying to think of Ricker.

981
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 2: Think it was Ryan Leaf. It's hard to make the

982
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 2: case that he got ruined.

983
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 7: Had a lot of issues, I mean himself, you know, Yeah,

984
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 7: I mean it's I don't know. I I really would

985
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 7: love to just see one great example of this quarterback

986
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 7: was ruined. He would have been great, but because his

987
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 7: protection or he didn't have the right wide receivers. Like

988
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 7: I just don't buy all that stuff like if you're good, you're.

989
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 6: Gonna be good no matter what.

990
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 7: And you know, there's certain times when a guy gets

991
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 7: an opportunity and you know, like Brady would always tal

992
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 7: about it, I knew my opportunity was come, and they

993
00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 7: just shrink at the moment and they don't take advantage

994
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 7: of it, and maybe that moment passes them by never

995
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 7: to happen again. But I just think if you're gonna

996
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 7: be a great quarterback in this league, you're gonna be

997
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 7: You're gonna figure out a way to show it and

998
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 7: to and to eventually get there. And if you're not,

999
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 7: because let's face it, there's only a handful of guys

1000
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 7: that have ever been that good, you're not gonna be

1001
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 7: able to put it all together.

1002
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 3: I kind of think that's what it comes down to,

1003
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 3: is there's a reason why there are not a ton

1004
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 3: of great quarterbacks in the NFL because it's really hard.

1005
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 7: Right right, Not just because it's like there's just this

1006
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 7: like laundry list of guys like Mac Jones, I mean,

1007
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 7: would have been, you know, would have been winning super

1008
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 7: Bowls with San Francisco if the Patriots had just gotten

1009
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 7: him a left tackle and an elite receiver like and

1010
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 7: I do.

1011
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 3: Think there's a lot of good quarterbacks in football. I

1012
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 3: just don't think there're a lot of great.

1013
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 7: Ones right right, and at least the great ones if

1014
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 7: they were deterred by an injury or a year where

1015
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 7: like Brady didn't have the didn't have elite weapons, kind

1016
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 7: of had guys who had struggled to get open or

1017
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,240
Speaker 7: had suspect protection, like, they still.

1018
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 3: Show you ways to do it, probably a really in depth,

1019
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 3: detailed analytical look like pretty easy to figure, like Fred's point.

1020
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 3: Offensive line, you know what kind of you know what

1021
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 3: kind of offensive line did these guys have? Receiving cores? Defenses?

1022
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 3: How many times did the game situation get out of

1023
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 3: hand and put too much on the quarterback?

1024
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 6: Right, that's a good one.

1025
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,399
Speaker 7: He was ruined by his defense was so bad that, yeah,

1026
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 7: he got ruined.

1027
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 2: It's really not fair and impossible to paint with a

1028
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 2: broad brush. Well, this is this is when a guy

1029
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 2: should start right away, and this is when he shouldn't.

1030
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 2: It's every situation is different, you know.

1031
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 7: I mean, I just I think the baseline I would

1032
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 7: stick to is that. I mean, I don't I barely

1033
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,879
Speaker 7: think you can sit a year. I mean, I give

1034
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 7: you half the season. I think at most in my

1035
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 7: mind that you just have to start the clock. And

1036
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 7: if he's not gonna be able to play, it's not

1037
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:42,919
Speaker 7: going to really matter unless I mean, like you said,

1038
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:44,240
Speaker 7: unless the team is a disaster.

1039
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Speaker 2: I mean I I was covering the Patriots back when

1040
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,919
Speaker 2: Bledsoe was drafted, and there was talk do you play

1041
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 2: him right away? And there were some people saying, oh,

1042
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 2: you know, you probably shouldn't, but they did. And that

1043
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Speaker 2: was Parcels And he's been around a long time, you know.

1044
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Speaker 3: And you can say anything you want about Drew, but

1045
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 3: you can't say he got ruined by playing too soon.

1046
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Speaker 7: today we're going to rifle through running backs, tight ends,

1080
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Speaker 7: Maybe tight ends a little bit less so after signing

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Speaker 7: let's start off with running back guys in this position.

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1086
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 7: really a high end, you know, number one kind of guy.

1087
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 6: But there are a number of later round guys.

1088
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 7: Why don't you give us those some of the top

1089
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 7: round guys that maybe maybe maybe a little bit too

1090
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 7: soon for the Patriots.

1091
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, so this is not a particularly strong running back

1092
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 4: class at the top. Like you said, there's no Christian McCaffrey,

1093
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 4: there's no Saquon Barkley. There's not even a Jamior Gibbs

1094
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 4: in this class. This is our Bijeon or one of

1095
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 4: those guys. This is a Day two and three running

1096
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 4: back class. I think the number one running back consensus

1097
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 4: for the most part is Blake Korum from Michigan. I

1098
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 4: also hear a lot of Benson from Florida State as well.

1099
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 4: He's up there too. But those two guys that are

1100
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:42,959
Speaker 4: really the start, I would say probably in the third round.

1101
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe one of those guys sneaks into the back

1102
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,439
Speaker 4: of the second round just because somebody wants to jump

1103
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 4: ahead and pick one earlier than everybody else will. But

1104
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 4: at some point in this draft there'll be a run

1105
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 4: of a run of running backs that will all come

1106
00:49:56,560 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 4: off the board, and those guys can all be a

1107
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 4: part of a committee and be, you know, useful players

1108
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 4: at the NFL level. They're not again, they're not gonna

1109
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 4: be Bell Cows. They're not going to be that stud

1110
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 4: running back. But if you're talking about getting a tag

1111
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 4: partner for Ramandre Stevenson, you know those exist in this

1112
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 4: draft in droves. Like there's a lot of those guys,

1113
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 4: but none of them really are looked at as like

1114
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 4: difference makers or game changers.

1115
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,439
Speaker 6: What do you got, PAULI, and any of these guys

1116
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:23,399
Speaker 6: strike your fans out?

1117
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 3: I mean, Obviously I like Korum a lot, but I

1118
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 3: agree with Evan in terms of, you know, where does

1119
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 3: it make sense for the Patriots. I also like Jonathan

1120
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 3: Brooks a little bit, although kind of one year of production,

1121
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 3: so maybe some question marks there. There were guys that

1122
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 3: were lead backs, there were guys that you know that

1123
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 3: certainly carried the load. But I think, you know, like

1124
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 3: Koram's a guy that you look at him, you're like, oh,

1125
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 3: he must be a passing back because he's not very big,

1126
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 3: but he is that kind of a league guy. And

1127
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 3: I like the way evn't talked about it. A tag

1128
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 3: team guy for ramondre Stevenson. I just don't think you

1129
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 3: can afford to do it. I think you're going to

1130
00:50:56,320 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 3: be looking at Day three guys and I'm not even

1131
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 3: sure that you have enough room for that. I think

1132
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 3: that that's it's a spot like you can't fill everything

1133
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 3: in one draft, and I'm not sure running back meets

1134
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 3: the threshold here. There's some guys that can play, and

1135
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 3: I would add, you know Benson as well with Florida

1136
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 3: State that Evan mentioned. I do like some of these players.

1137
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 3: I think there's some skill, not enough really for the

1138
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 3: Patriots to think about him in day two.

1139
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, so as we get into day two, day three,

1140
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:23,399
Speaker 7: tis any of those guys.

1141
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 10: I think Korum is a day two, day three guy.

1142
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 10: He kind of reminds me of Philip Lindsay, just very downhill.

1143
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 10: Also catch the ball. That's one of the comps over there.

1144
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 2: Philip Lindsay. You know, yeah, no made a Pro Bowl.

1145
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 2: Yeah no.

1146
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 10: We fifty eight rushing touchdown or touchdowns at Michigan. You

1147
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 10: can't ignore that. Can do a bit of everything. So

1148
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 10: that's kind of the sweet spot where I'd take a

1149
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 10: running back. Other than that, if you're the Patriots, you're

1150
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 10: looking six seventh round hopefully and maybe undrafted free agents.

1151
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 7: We were into Bucky Irving. We were at the combine.

1152
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 7: We were talking Bucky Irving and then he kind of

1153
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 7: had a terrible combine. But like his you know, he

1154
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 7: looked explosive in the games, but we.

1155
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 6: Got there in the testing numbers not so much.

1156
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, So Bucky Irving's an interesting guy. And you know

1157
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 4: some some of these other guys too, like Tyrone Tracy

1158
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 4: Junior from Purdue or Dylan Lobby, the local kid from

1159
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:10,800
Speaker 4: you and h those guys are all interesting. I just

1160
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 4: feel like when they signed Antonio Gibson, those guys are

1161
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 4: more of those sub package pass catching backs. Probably not

1162
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 4: what they're looking for now. They're probably looking for somebody

1163
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 4: in that early down role, Remandre Damien Harris, like that

1164
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 4: sort of running back, which there are some options to.

1165
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 4: My My favorite running back of this entire class is

1166
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 4: Marshon Lloyd from USC. I just think that he's got

1167
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 4: the ability to run between the tackles and catch the

1168
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 4: ball out of the back the great Senior Bowl week,

1169
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 4: but he's also like a vertical threat in the passing

1170
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 4: game too. Seems you know, run the run, the wheel route,

1171
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 4: you know that sort of thing. Yeah, yeah, just uh,

1172
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,359
Speaker 4: definitely one of those backs that can do a bit

1173
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 4: of everything. And the way that he runs does remind

1174
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 4: me a little bit of Remondre where he's a bigger back,

1175
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 4: but he has that ability to move laterally and make

1176
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 4: guys miss and find the right holes and things like that.

1177
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 4: So he's probably in an early day three guy. I

1178
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,399
Speaker 4: would say, maybe end of round three, early round four,

1179
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 4: but you know that's probably where I started even thinking.

1180
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 4: Is that fourth round pick. I've kind of pegged it

1181
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 4: as a tight end spot, but maybe they think of

1182
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 4: it as more of a running back spot.

1183
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, Braylen Allen from Wisconsin was once another one.

1184
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 6: Giant dude. I mean he's like fun to watch.

1185
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 7: Maybe not not there Henry, but like kind of similar size.

1186
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 10: I got a late round guy. I love the NFL bloodlines, Paul.

1187
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 10: We talked about this in the last episode. But Frank

1188
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 10: Gore Junior, all right, guy, I love Frank Gord Junior

1189
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 10: can handle the workload, and that's like, you know, potential

1190
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 10: six seventh round guy.

1191
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 2: Maybe udfa so so.

1192
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 3: Will Shipley's a guy that I've always kind of watched

1193
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 3: at Clemson. Pretty productive. I get a little worried about

1194
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 3: guys that have that much wear and tear before they

1195
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 3: even get into the league. But pretty productive guy. I

1196
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 3: agree again with with both Tis and Evan. I don't

1197
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 3: think there's that star power in this group. So it's

1198
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 3: gonna be your flavor, your particular liking. You're gonna take

1199
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 3: someone in round five or something, and you're gonna hope

1200
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 3: that maybe he's better than Kevin Harris and maybe he

1201
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 3: can earn a roster spot. Will Shipley's a guy I

1202
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 3: thought that had some versatility, you know, a lot of

1203
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 3: production in the acc I know people don't think of

1204
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 3: that as as strong as his other conferences, but I

1205
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 3: think he has some ability to in Irving your guy,

1206
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 3: because you guys had me on Bucky Irving too, so

1207
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 3: I watched him, man, you know, and Evans again right

1208
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 3: about Gibson probably mitigates that need, but he struggles in

1209
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 3: pass protection. I don't think that's he's smaller. That that

1210
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 3: was not a third down back that you necessarily clamor.

1211
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 4: To, Yeah, he's a smaller guy. I think the hope

1212
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,439
Speaker 4: was was that he does show a lot of explosiveness

1213
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 4: on tape, and that did not translate to the combine. Now,

1214
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,760
Speaker 4: historically speaking running backs, it's not a big combine position

1215
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 4: because so much of it is how you carry the

1216
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 4: ball in pads and how you break tackles and stuff

1217
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,720
Speaker 4: like that. So it's not really a big combine position.

1218
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 4: But Bucky Irving's one of those guys. I think his

1219
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 4: RIS was like one point nine out of ten or

1220
00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 4: like it was. It was a bomb, you know, it

1221
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 4: was a very, very a bad combine.

1222
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 7: I like you, So let's let's then let's move on

1223
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 7: to tight ends. And I mean, I'd say it's kind

1224
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 7: of a similar class maybe, I mean you have Jatavian

1225
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 7: Sanders probably at the top, but otherwise you're really looking

1226
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 7: at like day.

1227
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 6: Two, ry like, I just.

1228
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 2: You guys, do you know what?

1229
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 6: You know what the problem with brock Bowers is?

1230
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 3: I just I You're limited because I'm like, I'm like.

1231
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:24,800
Speaker 7: I can't even think about him, don't even get excited

1232
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 7: about him, because there's plenty of reasons obviously to get

1233
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:28,439
Speaker 7: excited about brock Bowers.

1234
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 6: So wanted to give us a little brock Bowers.

1235
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 2: I mean, he's been doing it for a while. Is

1236
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 2: he a senior junior?

1237
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 7: Senior junior junior?

1238
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 10: He did in the in the one of the finals

1239
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 10: he went off, So I wasn't really focusing too much

1240
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 10: on the top guys because as a fan, I'm a

1241
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 10: little worried if they pick a tight end.

1242
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:42,280
Speaker 7: Above the fourth.

1243
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 10: So I'll go down to some of the lower round guys.

1244
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 10: We we talked with tonat and at the combine. But

1245
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 10: also I said it in the intro episode, Dallon Hulker

1246
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 10: from Colorado State just one of those receiving tight ends.

1247
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 10: He can break loose, good hands, has some speed for

1248
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 10: being a big guy. So that's one of the guys

1249
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 10: i'd like to see the pass, maybe snag late the dress.

1250
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 7: So that's all over the place, right Like everybody's got it.

1251
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 7: Phil Perry, I mean, he just seems like he's kind

1252
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:06,760
Speaker 7: of that sweet spot of like a fourth.

1253
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 6: Round kind of guy.

1254
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 7: Really athletic, you know, maybe needs to you know, work

1255
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 7: on blocking, and who doesn't really at this level.

1256
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 3: But he's a favorite through I got a red flag

1257
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 3: on him. He's a tight end out of Iowa who

1258
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 3: went to Kansas State at Iowa? What was wrong with

1259
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 3: and he played the tight end factory? Why didn't he

1260
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 3: go there?

1261
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,320
Speaker 4: Well, there's a guy named Eric All who's also in

1262
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,839
Speaker 4: this class who plays at Iowa. But I'm just gonna

1263
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 4: come out and say it. This tight end class stinks.

1264
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 4: It's awful. Okay, I'm just gonna be honest with you,

1265
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 4: especially coming off of the tight end class last year

1266
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 4: and how stacked that group was. This group is Brock

1267
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 4: Bowers gap, Jitavian Sanders gap. People that might make an

1268
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 4: NFL roster, but that's this class.

1269
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 2: Let's have some of the best NFL tight ends are

1270
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:53,439
Speaker 2: drafted in the mid round.

1271
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:57,879
Speaker 4: So who knows, it's crap teas with that being said

1272
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 4: Cad Stover. So, Cad Stover is a converted defensive end,

1273
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 4: which I like rush right, because he's got he's got

1274
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 4: some some nastiness to him, you know, because he does

1275
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 4: come from that defensive background. So if you want a

1276
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 4: guy that can put his hand in the dirt and

1277
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 4: block some people, can Stover can do it. He's just

1278
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 4: not a dynamic receiver.

1279
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 3: Right, and he'll take some time. And the fact that

1280
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 3: you have Henry and Hooper, two veterans in front of him,

1281
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 3: would give you some time. But again, this is the

1282
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 3: day three guy. This is not You're just not in

1283
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 3: a position where it's not a luxury. That'd be a

1284
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 3: luxury pick.

1285
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 9: When someone accidentally threw away the school play costumes, oh no,

1286
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 9: replacements were shipped with FedEx and with picture proof of delivery,

1287
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 9: everyone could focus on the perfect opening night FedEx where

1288
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 9: now it's next for residential delivery only.

1289
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 7: And now great moments in.

1290
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 3: History. Well, I have to leave you, gents. You're going

1291
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 3: tad early to do some of my television responsibilities.

1292
00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 2: Is that why you get the shiny shirt on? Today?

1293
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 3: I am going going clubbing.

1294
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, be sure to turn into Paul Parillo today.

1295
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 3: Probably not a great one to listen now, to be

1296
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 3: sure not to turn It'll be it'd be like PAULI

1297
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 3: the dancing Bear, trying to keep yourself on an alligation.

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Speaker 2: We'll be listening.

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Speaker 3: This will be a tough one. This is one that

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00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 3: I always fear when I came in on Thursday morning

1301
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 3: that Fred's waiting for me. Jonathan.

1302
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 2: We got to walk down to the west wind.

1303
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 3: Jonathan wants to talk to you, so like that's always

1304
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 3: my fear. I remember I saw Fred at about two

1305
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 3: o'clock last Thursday. I was like, anybody say anything. He goes,

1306
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 3: what do you mean? I go, you know about me?

1307
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 3: He goes about what I go like being on the radio. No,

1308
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 3: I go, sounds good. Let's let's move it along.

1309
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 4: You gotta be like you gotta be like the the

1310
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 4: guys on cutdown Day when they try to avoid the guy.

1311
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 2: But what's that shirt? Paul? Can I make one suggestion?

1312
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 2: Unbutton one button? Put on a coke spoon. I think

1313
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 2: you'll be right there to Maike.

1314
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 3: Sure it for that taking fashion advice from on this

1315
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 3: guy from the stained police.

1316
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: That's another great moment from.

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Speaker 2: All right back here and unfiltered. No phone number yet,

1318
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 2: but web Radio at Patriots dot com is the email address.

1319
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 2: And uh, guess what the beer is bud Light. It's

1320
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 2: easy to drink, easy to enjoy. Bud Light, the official

1321
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Speaker 2: beer sponsor of the New England Patriots. And if you're

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Speaker 2: spring cleaning, Bob's Discount Furniture can help shop storage packed

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Speaker 2: styles like super comfy sectionals with built in storage, party

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Speaker 2: ready dining cabinets and storage seating, and best selling beds

1325
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Speaker 2: with built in drawers, all at Bob's everyday low prices

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Speaker 2: spring into the new season at your nearest. Bob's Discount Furniture,

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Speaker 2: the official furniture store of the New England Patriots.

1328
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Speaker 7: I need a party ready dining.

1329
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 2: Set, party ready dining sign an set or was it

1330
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 2: so when you say you mean a dining table and chairs, I.

1331
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 7: Need like I want like a nice like storage. You

1332
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 7: know it's got like built in transssion. He's got a

1333
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 7: little like a wild you know, a little wine fridge

1334
00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 7: maybe and you know, like just a whole thing like

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01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 7: to party.

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01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 3: Well for beers to wait a minute, And I'm thinking

1337
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 3: to myself, I can help them like a.

1338
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 11: Party thing or well that's what I was. I don't

1339
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 11: know what the read was it said it said party

1340
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 11: ready shelf, party ready, dining cabinet, cabinet. Okay, that's yeah,

1341
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 11: that's what I'm you know, party ready.

1342
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 6: Like I need to have some for the wine glasses.

1343
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I got to go to bobs, I guess

1344
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 2: little fridge.

1345
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a dream.

1346
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 2: So are you planning on doing some entertaining?

1347
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 7: No, would love to entertain, but I just at some

1348
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 7: point like to redo my kitchen. That's a dream of ours.

1349
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 7: So like just really get our kitchen, like, you know,

1350
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 7: great and.

1351
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 2: Well somebody here that redid their kitchen that can probably help.

1352
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 2: Really he'll show you everything.

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01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, avoided that one, thank goodness.

1354
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, so all right, web radio at pages dot com.

1355
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 2: Let's get back to the emails. This is from Kevin

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01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 2: in Charleston, South Carolina.

1357
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 3: Down there.

1358
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, they just had a tennis tournament down there and

1359
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 2: I was watching it and some of the commercials were

1360
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 2: advertising the benefits of living in Charleston, South Carolina.

1361
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, it's a nice place.

1362
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 2: Humidity, it doesn't look too bad.

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Speaker 3: Nice, very nice.

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01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, probably cost Yeah Carolina.

1365
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 2: He's a loyal podcast of the show since twenty thirteen.

1366
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 2: First time writing in almost steered my car into oncoming

1367
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 2: traffic when Fred started defending Bill's drafting at the start

1368
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 2: of the show the last last show. I guess that

1369
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 2: Evan and Paul did great restoring sanity in the room.

1370
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 2: But I still don't think we talk enough about the

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01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 2: fact that Bill overdrafts a guard in the first round

1372
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 2: when tackle is of a bigger need and more in

1373
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 2: a more important position. And then the following draft still

1374
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 2: refuses to throw even a dart at tackle in the draft,

1375
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 2: but drafts another three guards between the third and fourth rounds.

1376
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 2: Thank god, we have a new regime, which we don't

1377
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 2: know how they'll do. But you know, if Bill was

1378
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:59,480
Speaker 2: in charge, we would trade down and end up with

1379
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 2: Media Cornoe's tackle or another box safety. Love the show.

1380
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 2: I enjoy my ride home from work on Tuesdays and Thursdays.

1381
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I mean, I think he hit on

1382
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 7: some solid players, but I just think the lack of

1383
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 7: real star and I mean, I don't think any of

1384
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 7: the guys that they resign this year would be defined

1385
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 7: as you know, star impact players. I like Kyle Duggar,

1386
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:23,919
Speaker 7: I like Michael and when you you know, I'm glad

1387
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 7: that they kept those guys. I think they had to

1388
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 7: keep those guys. But it's not those picks that were

1389
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 7: why the team was foundering. It was because they just

1390
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 7: they couldn't hit on the first rounders, the talent guys.

1391
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 7: I mean, you know, Nikhil, Harry mac Jones, like those

1392
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 7: first rounders that never became those stars that you build around.

1393
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 7: That's what has to happen with this new regime. You'll

1394
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 7: be back in the same place.

1395
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 2: Mike from Connecticut doesn't like the fact that, Mike, you're

1396
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 2: constantly trashing Jayden Daniels. He says, Mike, we get it,

1397
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 2: you just want May. How about you just say that

1398
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 2: instead of squinting like a child biting a lemon. Right

1399
01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 2: before rattling off the tried and true critiques of Daniels,

1400
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 2: I take any of the top five quarterbacks over what

1401
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 2: we've dealt with since Brady, and I'll scream if we

1402
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 2: don't take Daniels, if May is gone at three.

1403
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:12,919
Speaker 7: Okay, I'll just stop talking.

1404
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 3: Then this is just another one of the examples that

1405
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 3: I can't stand. And I like Daniels more than Mike does.

1406
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 3: Why am I right? Like I don't understand, like, oh

1407
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 3: that you rattled off the tried and true criticisms. Might

1408
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 3: they be accurate ones? Or is it just your opinion

1409
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 3: that's the one that that matters.

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01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 7: You know, It's like, hey, I'm sick of I'm sick

1411
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 7: of talking about these guys too, so you know you

1412
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 7: want have to listen to any of it, but like.

1413
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 3: Why do like why do you have to like Jayden

1414
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 3: Daniels as much as I do?

1415
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 7: Well, that's what I think makes it more entertaining.

1416
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 3: One we're both luckstep on May. I want May over Daniels,

1417
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 3: But that doesn't mean I'm right. Like why these people

1418
01:03:56,120 --> 01:04:00,160
Speaker 3: go crazy with these things? Uh, these draft related Uh

1419
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 3: the machine it is, it's it's it's like a draft,

1420
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 3: like like Felker calls it the draft industrial Crop likes. Sure,

1421
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 3: it really is, Yeah, I mean, and it's insanity.

1422
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 7: I mean, I think part of the problem too, is

1423
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 7: just that I don't watch college football, so I come

1424
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 7: to these guys and then you know, I'm slowly taking

1425
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 7: bits and pieces here over the course of the spring,

1426
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 7: and you know, I'm learning things that a lot of

1427
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 7: people have probably already known for two years. But I

1428
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 7: will say I'm coming to these opinions kind of on

1429
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 7: my own and not, you know, just kind of listening

1430
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 7: to what everybody else says. So I don't know, I've

1431
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 7: watched enough football now and then you know, covering the

1432
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 7: team long enough now that I feel like I trust

1433
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 7: my instincts when I like a player, and if I mean,

1434
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 7: I'm not to.

1435
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 5: Say I'm always right, but nobody is. But again, I

1436
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 5: have certain things I like, was it Mike the emailer

1437
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 5: was also on my crime you know, Mike likes Jayden dimmls.

1438
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 5: I like Jayden Daniels too. I'm with Mike, but doesn't

1439
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 5: mean that like you're wrong, No, and he just doesn't

1440
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 5: like the squinting squinting because Mike is not sold on

1441
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:54,480
Speaker 5: Jayden Daniels.

1442
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:57,960
Speaker 3: He's been very consistent for about a month. Yeah I do.

1443
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 3: And he's too nice to just say, yeah, I don't

1444
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 3: buy him sucks. He's like, I gotta give it some

1445
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 3: thought first.

1446
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 7: Well, and I mean, and to be fair though, like

1447
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 7: I'm not saying, I mean, I'm gonna still have him

1448
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 7: on you know, my big board, Like I still I'm

1449
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:13,200
Speaker 7: still intrigued by him. I just I have concerns. I

1450
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 7: think some of the issues that have been talked about

1451
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 7: are legit and I just I I have some concerns

1452
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 7: that he's going to develop into the next you know,

1453
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 7: Lamar Jackson kind of player in this league.

1454
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 2: Uh, Devin in North Carolina, Hey, Pugh crew. I've noticed

1455
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 2: that everyone that calls or emails from North Carolina are

1456
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 2: against drafting Drake May at number three. Me, on the

1457
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 2: other hand, couldn't disagree more. I've watched most of his

1458
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 2: games that you went seeing. I feel like the guy

1459
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 2: is a game changer. He's smart in the pocket and

1460
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 2: has a hell of an arm. He reminds me a

1461
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 2: lot of Josh Allen. Would you guys rather take Drake

1462
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 2: May or Jayden Daniels?

1463
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 3: Okay, I probably go, Oh, I'm sorry Drake.

1464
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 8: Right.

1465
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. We haven't heard from as many of those people

1466
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 3: May lately. And I think it's because the Patriots kind

1467
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:07,440
Speaker 3: of look like that's where they're headed. Yeah, and I

1468
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 3: think that's wrong too.

1469
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 6: Get on board, you know.

1470
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 3: And it's like the other part of that JJ McCarthy

1471
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 3: thing that I didn't understand was like Michael Holly in

1472
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 3: particular on the NBC Sports Boston show, the with Weelger

1473
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:28,440
Speaker 3: there Boston Sports Time. I think it's called you know,

1474
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 3: I don't like he doesn't like JJ McCarthy as a prospect,

1475
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 3: doesn't like him obviously not as a person. And I

1476
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 3: was like, you know, I may have been wrong on that,

1477
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 3: because you're getting intel that's letting you know that the

1478
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 3: Patriots are thinking about taking him. Makes you wrong, Like,

1479
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 3: well how does that work?

1480
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 6: No, it's like the mac Jones thing. I mean, like

1481
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 6: you weren't a big fan of mac Jones.

1482
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 7: The fact they took him, you still weren't a big

1483
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 7: fan of mac Jones, and you know, ultimately kill him.

1484
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,760
Speaker 3: I you know Fred, Fred has often talked about this like,

1485
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 3: you know, we'll you know, we have our opinions going in,

1486
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 3: but then you got to see what happens, and you

1487
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 3: got to and if you don't adjust. Remember what Fred

1488
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:12,920
Speaker 3: used to say, like if we just sit here, we

1489
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:15,120
Speaker 3: tell you that everything is this way, and we're not

1490
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:17,720
Speaker 3: telling you what's actually happening. I think in training camp

1491
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 3: was when you used to say that, Yeah, like responsibility,

1492
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 3: No one's going to take anything that you say with

1493
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 3: So like I'm not going to pretend because oh the

1494
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 3: team that I'm working for drafted him, so I got

1495
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 3: to give him a second look. No, I didn't think

1496
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 3: he was very good. I still don't think he's very good.

1497
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 3: But if he turned out to be an all pro,

1498
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 3: and I continued to say he stinks, then my credibility's gone.

1499
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:43,000
Speaker 8: Right.

1500
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:48,960
Speaker 2: If you find that your future analysis is your takes,

1501
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:51,760
Speaker 2: then you're not being accurate. And I mean you have

1502
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 2: to forget your take when it comes to the actual

1503
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 2: what happens.

1504
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 3: I mean, our buddy Barth was on with the Hub

1505
01:07:57,320 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 3: with Felger quarterback neutral and he net neutral, He tortured,

1506
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 3: he absolutely torched JJ McCarthy. What do you think of McCarthy?

1507
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 3: What do you think of all these rumors about him

1508
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 3: climbing out the bullys. I don't like him. I I

1509
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 3: don't know all the things that we've said. Well, what

1510
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:16,519
Speaker 3: if the Patriots take him, you're going to kill them, right,

1511
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 3: because you know Felgers, he just cares about your take

1512
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:21,400
Speaker 3: it right, you know you're gonna kill him if the

1513
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 3: Patriots take him. And this is long pause, and I'm like, well,

1514
01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 3: well know, if you think this guy is a terrible

1515
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 3: player and the team takes him, you need to do

1516
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:33,160
Speaker 3: what Evan did on Cole Strange, right. You know you

1517
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 3: don't just say, well, the team I'm covering took that player,

1518
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:38,719
Speaker 3: so right, maybeah, I'm wrong.

1519
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 7: And it's such an organic thing too. I liked Mac Jones.

1520
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 7: I saw, you know, what the fit was, and I

1521
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:45,600
Speaker 7: you know, I bought into he's gonna be able to

1522
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 7: be you know, do what Bill wanted him to do,

1523
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 7: which is, don't make mistakes, understand where to go to

1524
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 7: with the ball, call the right protections, and you know,

1525
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:54,400
Speaker 7: then I evolved as I watched him over a period

1526
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:56,679
Speaker 7: of time of even you know, even those initial practices

1527
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 7: when he won the starting job in training camp, it

1528
01:08:58,520 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 7: was wow.

1529
01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 6: I mean those joint joined practice against the Panthers, was

1530
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 6: that was?

1531
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:04,880
Speaker 7: That was that twenty twenty one giants Giants when he

1532
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 7: got in, when Cam got COVID, Yeah, so changed, you know,

1533
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 7: and even there it was like, all right, this is

1534
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:12,840
Speaker 7: there's something here. But then you started to see you

1535
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 7: started right because and then they ruined him and it

1536
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 7: was over. But you know, there was other things that

1537
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:21,320
Speaker 7: started to come out with him. His style of play

1538
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 7: where you know, when when the game was on the line,

1539
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 7: he wasn't always as much.

1540
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 2: My quote with him was I'm very pleased that Mac

1541
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:29,839
Speaker 2: Jones is the quarterback of the Newing Patriot.

1542
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 6: That's that's about as high as you got.

1543
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 3: And you know, and then he proved me that I

1544
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 3: wasn't pleased, right, And I didn't sit there and tell

1545
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:39,800
Speaker 3: you that he sucked his whole rookie year. No, I

1546
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 3: didn't say that, even though I was still not sold

1547
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 3: on him. I didn't tell you that. I didn't.

1548
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:45,559
Speaker 2: I don't think Max is that good.

1549
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 3: We all remember your truth right when I came up.

1550
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 7: But I mean, I remember in early twenty twenty two.

1551
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:53,360
Speaker 7: I forget what game it was, but I think like

1552
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 7: Mac had like you know, someone had given him a

1553
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:57,320
Speaker 7: gentle like bump out of bounds and he like jumped

1554
01:09:57,360 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 7: off the cliff and all of a sudden, I and

1555
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 7: then I came into the radio and I'm just like,

1556
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:04,720
Speaker 7: I'm sick of this stuff, Like just be a man

1557
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:06,720
Speaker 7: and play the game, and don't, you know, try to

1558
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:09,599
Speaker 7: draw flags, and you know, then he's starting to put

1559
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 7: his foot up and kick people in the knuts.

1560
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:13,479
Speaker 6: Like that stuff was just like I'm out on that stuff.

1561
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 2: Individually, none of them were a big deal, but you

1562
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:17,960
Speaker 2: add them all up, and this is kind of who

1563
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 2: he is.

1564
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:19,880
Speaker 7: And I and I and I think that that all

1565
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:21,920
Speaker 7: kind of fed into some of the locker room stuff,

1566
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:24,200
Speaker 7: you know, especially defensive guys.

1567
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:26,840
Speaker 3: The defensive players talking about it the way they did.

1568
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 2: You know it?

1569
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:28,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, factor right.

1570
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 2: Ramon has a would you rather game? Based on hindsight? Ready?

1571
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:35,200
Speaker 3: Okay?

1572
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:39,320
Speaker 2: First one is would you rather start Stidham over acquiring

1573
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:42,280
Speaker 2: Cam or letting Cam ride it out instead of drafting

1574
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:45,599
Speaker 2: Mac start Stidham over?

1575
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:47,200
Speaker 3: I would rather have started.

1576
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:50,280
Speaker 7: That's Paul's take, and I would jump to that ship.

1577
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:53,280
Speaker 2: Now would you rather have not drafted Easily or not

1578
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 2: drafted Harry?

1579
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 7: Ah?

1580
01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:58,519
Speaker 3: Not drafted Harry?

1581
01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, Harry, Harry Harry, because even in his when you

1582
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 7: saw him at his at his height of his get

1583
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 7: off powers with Easily, like you saw what was there

1584
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 7: with with Harry, it was just kind of not really,

1585
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 7: not really that intriguing.

1586
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:16,640
Speaker 2: Would you rather prevent Peyton getting his first ring or

1587
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 2: a second ring? Second manning second?

1588
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1589
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 6: I think that.

1590
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 7: I just think that's more disappointing to me. I mean,

1591
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 7: the Patriots, for as hard as they fought in that

1592
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:30,000
Speaker 7: first game, me to had that, and then we had

1593
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 7: already beaten the Bears in the Super Bowl, I know,

1594
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:32,720
Speaker 7: but that was kind of.

1595
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 6: Who they were. I felt like that.

1596
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:36,439
Speaker 7: I felt like the fifteen Patriots were better than that

1597
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:37,240
Speaker 7: the Broncos.

1598
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:38,679
Speaker 6: I know, but that was the one.

1599
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:40,880
Speaker 7: I hate the Colts more than don't let him go

1600
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:42,400
Speaker 7: out with it. I think like Peyton Manning is a

1601
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:43,680
Speaker 7: great player. I think he deserved to.

1602
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:45,720
Speaker 3: Have that kind of the odd good reason that we

1603
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:48,439
Speaker 3: hates more than the Broncos. I mean, if anybody can

1604
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 3: appreciate hate, Yeah, it's right. Would you rather win six rings.

1605
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:58,720
Speaker 2: In a tennis year span or when all you or

1606
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 2: when all you attended in the twenty year span? Caveat

1607
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 2: is after the six and ten you you can win more.

1608
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:12,840
Speaker 3: So I would rather have won more than like, yeah, they.

1609
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:16,639
Speaker 2: Tell me how many I attended in a twenty year span,

1610
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 2: and now that's I did too many? Yeah, I don't know.

1611
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:22,720
Speaker 3: And then one would rather win them all than just

1612
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:27,599
Speaker 3: wine six and a and one more like fifteen years.

1613
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:30,120
Speaker 2: Would you would you rather let go of Bill the

1614
01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:32,639
Speaker 2: year Brady left or force him to get a gym

1615
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:36,880
Speaker 2: with authority? In Brady's final year GM a GM. I

1616
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:39,439
Speaker 2: think he meant yes, g ym, but a GM with.

1617
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:41,599
Speaker 7: I mean they probably needed a new gym too.

1618
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:44,439
Speaker 2: So would you have rather forced Bill to get a

1619
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 2: GM for the final years, or get rid of him.

1620
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 7: When Brady left, I did not want to get rid

1621
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:54,080
Speaker 7: of I didn't want to get rid of him.

1622
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 3: But it's hard to in retrospect. Maybe it would have

1623
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:58,040
Speaker 3: been better, but I had to choose between the two.

1624
01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:01,320
Speaker 2: I let him both go at the same time. A

1625
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:02,599
Speaker 2: GM would have worked.

1626
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:03,840
Speaker 6: No, no, it never would have worked.

1627
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 2: It been just four years of more drama and all

1628
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:10,639
Speaker 2: that stuff. Evan's here and he just came back from

1629
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:11,760
Speaker 2: some access.

1630
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 4: Some press conferences.

1631
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:16,160
Speaker 2: Yes, so what do you what news do you bring?

1632
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:19,200
Speaker 4: Uh So we tawt We talked to armand Watts and

1633
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:24,920
Speaker 4: Uhki So two new guys, two new free agents. I thought, uh,

1634
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 4: you know, it's cool to first time we've talked to

1635
01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 4: either of them since they signed with the Patriots. So

1636
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 4: it was always interesting to hear why why guys other

1637
01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:35,479
Speaker 4: than money? You know, obviously, why why guys can come here?

1638
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:40,160
Speaker 3: Yeah? Oh, okay, all right. I actually talked to Taki

1639
01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:41,000
Speaker 3: Taki a little bit.

1640
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:41,760
Speaker 2: So, uh yeah.

1641
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 4: I mean not that armand Wats did anything wrong, but

1642
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:47,479
Speaker 4: I was really impressed with with Taki. Taki. H definitely

1643
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:49,519
Speaker 4: a guy that can talk the game and you can

1644
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:52,760
Speaker 4: tell his football iq is is pretty high, and it

1645
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:55,679
Speaker 4: was already talking about different roles in the Patriots defense

1646
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 4: and how you know he can play on and off

1647
01:13:57,600 --> 01:13:59,680
Speaker 4: the line, and do you know all these different things.

1648
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:02,280
Speaker 4: So obviously was he in all that up, So it

1649
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:04,800
Speaker 4: was cool to hear from him. I think, you know

1650
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:07,960
Speaker 4: the Elliott Wolf connection going back to Cleveland, and this

1651
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:10,560
Speaker 4: one was sort of writing on the wall. Maybe not

1652
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 4: a player that anybody household name necessarily, but once you

1653
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 4: start to look at all the connections that brought him here,

1654
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:20,000
Speaker 4: you start to realize that he was probably someone that

1655
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:23,760
Speaker 4: they had identified in this free agent class. And then

1656
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:27,400
Speaker 4: Amarin Watts, I thought it was interesting talking about rushing

1657
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:30,600
Speaker 4: off of Barmore and he's another interior pass rusher that

1658
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:32,959
Speaker 4: that put up some pretty good pressure stats with Pittsburgh

1659
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:35,680
Speaker 4: last year. So just being able to rush next to

1660
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:38,760
Speaker 4: him and in this defense and learning from some of

1661
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:41,559
Speaker 4: the guys in Pittsburgh because they obviously have some great

1662
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 4: talent on the defensive line too. So cool.

1663
01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 2: Was this an in person or in person?

1664
01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:50,920
Speaker 4: A lot of media A decent amount for random okay

1665
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:52,759
Speaker 4: Ota press.

1666
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 2: Connor usual suspects or any new faces.

1667
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:56,799
Speaker 4: Usual suspects, No, new faces.

1668
01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:59,680
Speaker 2: Yep, no one's taken over a beat for anyone or

1669
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 2: not like that usual still doesn't.

1670
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 4: Yes, I don't think Nesson's they're not covering.

1671
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:09,280
Speaker 3: I would, yeah, I would assume, but you let all

1672
01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:10,000
Speaker 3: those people go.

1673
01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:12,280
Speaker 7: It's not like Yeah, I was just kind of expecting

1674
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:15,439
Speaker 7: there'd be like some young looking intern type person that

1675
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:16,280
Speaker 7: they just are.

1676
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 3: Like you, you just go do it, maybe maybe on

1677
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:22,360
Speaker 3: game days, but you'll probably have aggregators, right, Yeah.

1678
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they completely absolve, Like there's no more

1679
01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 4: Patriots beat writer at Nesson. That position does not exist anymore.

1680
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:30,880
Speaker 2: Mood.

1681
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:34,840
Speaker 4: Well, you know, we had some i mean some logistical

1682
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:36,680
Speaker 4: things that we had to figure out Fred, you know,

1683
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:38,760
Speaker 4: for the draft and do we want it to be

1684
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:40,679
Speaker 4: in person? Do we want it to be on zoom?

1685
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:41,880
Speaker 4: And how are we gonna see.

1686
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:47,280
Speaker 3: We want Yeah, we're looking for all three.

1687
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:48,479
Speaker 6: All right.

1688
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 7: Well the problem is that they got a ten a

1689
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:52,760
Speaker 7: m Eliot Wolf, which will be in person. The draft

1690
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:55,000
Speaker 7: doesn't start till seven, and then they're going to do

1691
01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:57,360
Speaker 7: in person afterwards. So it used to be the draft

1692
01:15:57,479 --> 01:15:59,320
Speaker 7: ends at like eleven or twelve, you could just be

1693
01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:01,360
Speaker 7: at home and do virtual interviews, but now it's like

1694
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:03,679
Speaker 7: you got to be here not only at ten am,

1695
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 7: but you're probably gonna have to be here at like

1696
01:16:05,479 --> 01:16:06,040
Speaker 7: twelve pm.

1697
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:09,160
Speaker 3: Ten am has never happened before. That's new.

1698
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 2: Well why don't we do both? Why don't we just

1699
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 2: I mean, you can't ask questions, but they can watch

1700
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:16,080
Speaker 2: it live. Then well, you know.

1701
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:17,240
Speaker 7: They're grousing about it. Though.

1702
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:19,760
Speaker 4: No, it wasn't age, you know, not grousing. It was

1703
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:23,080
Speaker 4: more just presented as an either scenario.

1704
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:28,960
Speaker 2: Current pfff w W president Andrew Callahan Andrew Callahan, Yes,

1705
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:31,679
Speaker 2: and so is he the most outspoken? Does he speak

1706
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:32,519
Speaker 2: for the group for.

1707
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 4: The most part? But we pulled the class. I mean

1708
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:36,439
Speaker 4: obviously I didn't. I have stayed because I'm going to

1709
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:37,400
Speaker 4: be here regardless of.

1710
01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:40,360
Speaker 2: If it's we're not allowed to be in the pff W.

1711
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:42,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, that that too, But I I, you know, it

1712
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:44,760
Speaker 4: doesn't matter to me what they want to do. So

1713
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:49,160
Speaker 4: I didn't. I didn't really vote, but yeah, it you know.

1714
01:16:49,439 --> 01:16:51,680
Speaker 7: So were they were given the option to do some

1715
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:53,679
Speaker 7: of the stuff virtual. Yeah, end of the night virtually

1716
01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:54,479
Speaker 7: makes more sense, like.

1717
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 3: Friday and Saturday are virtual after the draft right according

1718
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:02,479
Speaker 3: to the schedule anyway, Yes, first round in person so

1719
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:04,759
Speaker 3: I don't like read. I'm so used to the schedules

1720
01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:06,599
Speaker 3: that I don't really read all the detail anymore.

1721
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 4: I just started reading.

1722
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:10,360
Speaker 3: I didn't even know. Yeah, it's different now. So that's

1723
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:13,720
Speaker 3: that's a good point. The ten am we've never had.

1724
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:16,000
Speaker 3: I don't really understand the purpose of that.

1725
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:17,320
Speaker 7: So excited.

1726
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:20,080
Speaker 4: So is that on top of him talking to us

1727
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:21,559
Speaker 4: after on Thursday night?

1728
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:24,320
Speaker 3: Like that should have been part of your vote, Like,

1729
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:27,200
Speaker 3: I don't need a ten am with the general manager

1730
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:28,160
Speaker 3: the day of the first round.

1731
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:30,120
Speaker 2: I think they probably want to do it that way

1732
01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:32,960
Speaker 2: because then he's done with that obligation. He can focus,

1733
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:34,960
Speaker 2: he doesn't have to interrupt pre draft.

1734
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:36,599
Speaker 7: Maybe Macaro goes at the end of the night.

1735
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:41,479
Speaker 4: We don't need him pre draft. Maybe maybe the second

1736
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:44,639
Speaker 4: acquire it. I think, are you like a week before

1737
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:46,760
Speaker 4: I don't know about this ten am thing? This is

1738
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:47,240
Speaker 4: news to me.

1739
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:49,240
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I didn't have any idea. But I told

1740
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:51,839
Speaker 3: you I didn't schedule.

1741
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:57,000
Speaker 4: That's a week from today. No, a week from today,

1742
01:17:57,200 --> 01:17:59,559
Speaker 4: Elliott's talking at ten am and.

1743
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 2: Now that typically the case. Okay, so maybe Paul read

1744
01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:02,519
Speaker 2: it wrong.

1745
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:06,320
Speaker 4: I mean I did, I mean, I'm so next Thursday,

1746
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:08,639
Speaker 4: next Thursday. This is I know for a fact. Next

1747
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 4: Thursday is Elliott's pre draft press conference here at ten

1748
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:18,559
Speaker 4: am at ten a m. And that is customary every year. Yeah,

1749
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:22,760
Speaker 4: it's been mac grow Macro Nikosia. Yeah, every year.

1750
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:25,760
Speaker 3: We've always had something for the draft, but not the

1751
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:28,640
Speaker 3: day of the now No, So it's the same as

1752
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:29,320
Speaker 3: it's always been.

1753
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:31,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you read it wrong.

1754
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:33,639
Speaker 3: I think I didn't read it wrong.

1755
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:38,000
Speaker 2: Oh Deuce, I think oh he was.

1756
01:18:39,479 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 3: He was thinking he was talking about wanted no part.

1757
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:43,160
Speaker 6: Of it, all right, So I know what.

1758
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:45,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, No, that's right, Thursday, April eighteenth, But it was

1759
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:48,200
Speaker 7: under the column of twenty twenty four NFL Draft.

1760
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:50,800
Speaker 4: Because the pre rate, it's the pre draft that they

1761
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:54,479
Speaker 4: do every year, so there's a in person after the

1762
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:57,120
Speaker 4: draft that they're looking to make virtual so which I

1763
01:18:57,600 --> 01:19:02,320
Speaker 4: actually agree with the masses. So the real question Friday, Thursday,

1764
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:04,799
Speaker 4: this is so like I don't think anybody cares.

1765
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:06,519
Speaker 3: No, but no one cares about the other stuff we're

1766
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:06,880
Speaker 3: talking about.

1767
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:13,720
Speaker 4: Thursday was already decided because that I believe it's in

1768
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:19,439
Speaker 4: person on Thursday night schedule because uh so, but Friday

1769
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:22,800
Speaker 4: we do the on the field with mister Kraft and

1770
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:25,120
Speaker 4: the jersey and all that stuff with the first round pick,

1771
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:28,920
Speaker 4: so people have to come for that. So the question

1772
01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 4: to the class was, are you all going to stay

1773
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:35,639
Speaker 4: through the night at that point once you come here,

1774
01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:38,160
Speaker 4: or are you all gonna would you rather just go

1775
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:40,600
Speaker 4: home and we'll make everything virtual from that point on,

1776
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:43,360
Speaker 4: that was that was the conversation.

1777
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:45,120
Speaker 7: Stay through the night, that's that's hardcore.

1778
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:47,200
Speaker 3: Well, they just wanted to know if they needed to

1779
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:51,880
Speaker 3: keep it open like the press, and they choosing to

1780
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 3: keep it closed.

1781
01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:53,320
Speaker 4: They're going to close it.

1782
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:55,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean I think that's the pick that

1783
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 3: I would make. It Like Evan's right, like, it doesn't.

1784
01:19:58,280 --> 01:19:59,960
Speaker 2: It used to be we will be in this room

1785
01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:02,840
Speaker 2: there always there used to be someone on the beat who,

1786
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:05,840
Speaker 2: if that was the case, would have said, no, I

1787
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 2: want to be here.

1788
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:16,080
Speaker 4: He discus the names. Yeah, it's just uh it does Yeah,

1789
01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:18,360
Speaker 4: it's uh so. I The one thing I did learn

1790
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:20,560
Speaker 4: and maybe we can, you know, try to try to

1791
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 4: take advantage of this, is that either Elliott or Gerard

1792
01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:28,120
Speaker 4: maybe coming up to the draft party after they make

1793
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:28,719
Speaker 4: the pick.

1794
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:31,840
Speaker 3: Which would be a little bit different. Usually they come

1795
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:33,719
Speaker 3: before the first round starts.

1796
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:37,400
Speaker 2: You know, nothing's set in Stone, but we're planning on

1797
01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:41,720
Speaker 2: for our patriots unfiltered. After every pick that we're on

1798
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:44,759
Speaker 2: the air, we're going to get immediate reaction from someone

1799
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:46,799
Speaker 2: in the war room. It could be Elliott, could be Girod,

1800
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:50,439
Speaker 2: could be mac grow but we'll get immediate reaction live

1801
01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:55,880
Speaker 2: from right outside the war room after every pick onto

1802
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:58,360
Speaker 2: our show. Yeah, well that'll be cool.

1803
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:01,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think that'd be a welcome addition, and

1804
01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:04,439
Speaker 3: you might get something that you haven't haven't really had

1805
01:21:04,479 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 3: a chance. Do you think you know, and a lot

1806
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 3: of people have been tweeting about it, the amount of

1807
01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:13,320
Speaker 3: people actually in the war room. Do you think that

1808
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:14,440
Speaker 3: will go up significantly?

1809
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:17,040
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1810
01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:19,400
Speaker 3: My answer is yes, you think it'd be more people.

1811
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:21,280
Speaker 2: I mean it's not that big a room.

1812
01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:23,320
Speaker 3: There were a lot of people. There were more people

1813
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:26,040
Speaker 3: in the room than people think. Yeah, first of all,

1814
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:29,800
Speaker 3: but you know, it's not like Dallas. Whether it's like

1815
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:30,759
Speaker 3: a banquet haul.

1816
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:33,960
Speaker 4: In Dallas, they like you can win on the sweepstakes

1817
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:35,000
Speaker 4: in the draft.

1818
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:38,200
Speaker 3: But I think if they sent nine people to these

1819
01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:40,200
Speaker 3: pro days, I think you're going to get more people

1820
01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:40,800
Speaker 3: in the war room.

1821
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:43,160
Speaker 7: I would say yes, because they keep saying collaborative, and

1822
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:45,439
Speaker 7: collaborative means a bunch of people.

1823
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:49,360
Speaker 4: So it's also just when you're picking at three, there's

1824
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:52,360
Speaker 4: only so many different ways to go, so like what's there?

1825
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:55,280
Speaker 4: It really isn't worth you know, China has.

1826
01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:56,080
Speaker 6: More people to high five.

1827
01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:59,280
Speaker 2: When I was a young buck, I think it was

1828
01:21:59,320 --> 01:22:02,080
Speaker 2: Pete Carroll's first year, but I asked if I could

1829
01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:05,200
Speaker 2: sit in the war room and they said yes, so

1830
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:08,519
Speaker 2: I actually this is the old stadium, and you know,

1831
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:11,040
Speaker 2: they said it it was almost like classroom style. They

1832
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:14,200
Speaker 2: had like seats you know with rose and I sat

1833
01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:17,880
Speaker 2: in the back and that was the war room. But

1834
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:20,759
Speaker 2: the only thing about it is when Parcels or anyone

1835
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:22,840
Speaker 2: talked on the phone, they'd go to another room. Oh

1836
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:24,880
Speaker 2: she didn't get so all these scouts and said they

1837
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:27,080
Speaker 2: didn't hear all that stuff anyway, and then they would

1838
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:27,679
Speaker 2: just come back.

1839
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:31,280
Speaker 7: And you know, I really wonder how what what it

1840
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:33,000
Speaker 7: is like because you get to that point you have

1841
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:35,640
Speaker 7: a board, right, and then it's it can't be as

1842
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:37,519
Speaker 7: simple as they took him. All right, next guy on

1843
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:39,240
Speaker 7: our board? Is this like there has to be right,

1844
01:22:39,320 --> 01:22:42,200
Speaker 7: there's discussion, I'm sure, and no matter how much time

1845
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:44,519
Speaker 7: you put into that board, especially like as Evan said,

1846
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:46,559
Speaker 7: where I mean maybe it is just a no brainer

1847
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:47,200
Speaker 7: at this point.

1848
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:50,200
Speaker 3: On Saturday, when you know, hey, we're up, We're up

1849
01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 3: in about eight picks, and then then you stop watching

1850
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:54,640
Speaker 3: and then you pick, and then you just like go

1851
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:55,559
Speaker 3: and get a bag of chests.

1852
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:57,519
Speaker 7: Yeah, oh yeah, no those are yeah.

1853
01:22:57,800 --> 01:22:59,160
Speaker 3: It says who Saturdays?

1854
01:22:59,200 --> 01:22:59,800
Speaker 7: Who'd they pick?

1855
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:03,000
Speaker 3: Evans joining went that likes Saturday, well, depending on who

1856
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:03,360
Speaker 3: they pick.

1857
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:06,080
Speaker 4: A last year they picked Pop Douglas on Saturday.

1858
01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:09,640
Speaker 7: It's pretty pumped and Booty Body saved the draft room

1859
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:12,760
Speaker 7: right since Evans here.

1860
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:15,200
Speaker 2: I wanted to save this because it's someone making fun

1861
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:16,680
Speaker 2: of Evans, but I want to make sure that I

1862
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:20,880
Speaker 2: got it earlier. Rodney and Foxborough writing in, he says

1863
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 2: on the last episode, Evan talked about Logan Ryan, who

1864
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 2: just retired. Congratulations to him, saying if PFF were around

1865
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:31,759
Speaker 2: back then, Logan Ryan wouldn't have rated him highly because

1866
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:34,160
Speaker 2: he let up a lot of catches Slash made tackles

1867
01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:38,200
Speaker 2: after eight yard receptions. Actually PFF was around back then.

1868
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:41,519
Speaker 2: I work for them from twenty eleven to twenty twelve.

1869
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:45,080
Speaker 2: As I was finishing undergrad, Logan Ryan was drafted in

1870
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:48,960
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen, and to my recollection, he was decently rated

1871
01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:52,400
Speaker 2: as a slot corner. I always loved his game, despite

1872
01:23:52,479 --> 01:23:55,719
Speaker 2: fans seemingly not being too fond of him, it felt

1873
01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:59,679
Speaker 2: validating to see him do well. Coincidentally, I started listening

1874
01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:02,479
Speaker 2: to the podcast in twenty eleven and once emailed in

1875
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:06,120
Speaker 2: about talking about how PFF worked, as Paul was very

1876
01:24:06,240 --> 01:24:10,360
Speaker 2: dismissive of it. I vaguely recall Fred mentioning that my email.

1877
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:11,639
Speaker 3: So is everybody else in the NFL.

1878
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:14,560
Speaker 2: I vaguely recall Fred mentioning that my email said I

1879
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:17,120
Speaker 2: went to Northeastern, and Paul saying I don't care that

1880
01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 2: he went to Northeastern. I still don't care about PFF status.

1881
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:21,840
Speaker 7: So that's harsh. Paul.

1882
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:24,280
Speaker 3: You know how I usually say I never said that.

1883
01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:27,719
Speaker 3: I am quite sure sure that I said exactly.

1884
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:30,080
Speaker 4: That was more about Paul.

1885
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:33,680
Speaker 3: And I know you said that Logan Ryan would be

1886
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:34,920
Speaker 3: poorly rated by PFF.

1887
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:38,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he was. And you also said it wasn't

1888
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:40,240
Speaker 2: around back then, and it was it wasn't.

1889
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:42,479
Speaker 3: Got your facts straight, You've got to get your fast

1890
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:45,759
Speaker 3: come on, never correct. I can't rely on my nerds

1891
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:47,960
Speaker 3: for acturate information sorry.

1892
01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:50,040
Speaker 2: I think though that I know what the kids say,

1893
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:50,680
Speaker 2: that's week song.

1894
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:53,519
Speaker 3: They don't say that that's what they said.

1895
01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:56,600
Speaker 7: I will say Rodney, I would ask some questions for

1896
01:24:56,720 --> 01:24:59,080
Speaker 7: Rodney about how he greatded Vinci Wile for because I

1897
01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:01,400
Speaker 7: feel like in two thousand and eleven there was grading

1898
01:25:01,439 --> 01:25:03,720
Speaker 7: on Vince Wilfork that that was the initial thing of

1899
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:05,840
Speaker 7: being like, I don't agree with these ratings at all

1900
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:07,960
Speaker 7: the way and remember that season he was like a beast,

1901
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:09,760
Speaker 7: you killing play on that team.

1902
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:12,800
Speaker 3: And you hear a lot of these former players now

1903
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:15,840
Speaker 3: because there's so many more avenues for these like the

1904
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:20,839
Speaker 3: Chris Longs, and you know, these guys they destroy PFF.

1905
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:23,920
Speaker 3: And I'm not talking about Chris Long individually. I'm just

1906
01:25:24,120 --> 01:25:27,320
Speaker 3: using him as an example. Edelman. You know these guys

1907
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:30,320
Speaker 3: that when they talk about this stuff on McAfee's show,

1908
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:32,519
Speaker 3: when those guys go on, they kill it for the

1909
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:35,479
Speaker 3: same reasons I used to kill it, because I just

1910
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:38,920
Speaker 3: don't know how you're determining everybody's assignment, right, and then

1911
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:42,360
Speaker 3: and then they different guys. You know, if Mike Dessault

1912
01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:44,960
Speaker 3: is breaking down the Patriots game this week and Evan

1913
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:47,760
Speaker 3: Lazar is breaking down the Jets game next week, Like

1914
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:48,639
Speaker 3: that's not the same.

1915
01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:50,920
Speaker 7: And plus they have a platform and that's what people

1916
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 7: talk about. And so if they've got like something on

1917
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:55,400
Speaker 7: Vince Wilfork where they're saying he's actually not playing that

1918
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:57,240
Speaker 7: well and you're like, but my eyes are telling me

1919
01:25:57,320 --> 01:25:59,760
Speaker 7: that he is, and then the sentiment becomes.

1920
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:07,439
Speaker 4: All the Bronx just for the record, their grades, Like

1921
01:26:07,479 --> 01:26:09,519
Speaker 4: if you don't like their grades, that that's fine.

1922
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:09,920
Speaker 3: I don't.

1923
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:13,080
Speaker 4: I'm not big on the grades either. Like the value

1924
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:17,040
Speaker 4: of PFF is the actual analytical stats that they have,

1925
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:20,200
Speaker 4: not the grades. Like the grades are what the make

1926
01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:22,840
Speaker 4: the headlines unfortunately sometimes and are kind of like the

1927
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:26,040
Speaker 4: driving force of their whole product. But like they do

1928
01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:29,120
Speaker 4: they you know, they have coverage stats, they have pressure numbers,

1929
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:32,240
Speaker 4: they like, they have stuff that is actually quantifiable, like

1930
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:35,479
Speaker 4: this guy got a quarterback hit on this player, this

1931
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:38,280
Speaker 4: guy you know is targeted and coverage on that play.

1932
01:26:38,479 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 4: Like that's the stuff that I think is mostly valuable.

1933
01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:43,000
Speaker 3: Type And I think a lot of that is subjective

1934
01:26:43,400 --> 01:26:46,040
Speaker 3: pressure and coverage and stuff I think a lot of

1935
01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:50,200
Speaker 3: And I talked to enough players to sort of validate

1936
01:26:50,360 --> 01:26:52,280
Speaker 3: my feelings on the whole thing. I think there's a

1937
01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:55,920
Speaker 3: lot of ambiguity that goes into who they assigned.

1938
01:26:56,840 --> 01:27:01,040
Speaker 2: Like a quarterback hit is that because you know, oh,

1939
01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:02,880
Speaker 2: a hit is a hit, Like that's that's I know,

1940
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:04,840
Speaker 2: but I'm talking about But it did it come after

1941
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:08,320
Speaker 2: five seconds when nobody was open and finally the quarterback

1942
01:27:08,360 --> 01:27:11,439
Speaker 2: got hit because he was too stupid to they do

1943
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:12,599
Speaker 2: time to throw stuff.

1944
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:15,080
Speaker 7: I mean, I just think it's it's a it's a

1945
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:17,320
Speaker 7: piece of the puzzle and it's got to be you know.

1946
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:19,400
Speaker 7: I like d v o A stats. I thought those,

1947
01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:21,120
Speaker 7: you know, those are really interesting and that's you know,

1948
01:27:21,360 --> 01:27:24,519
Speaker 7: pretty straightforward what you see yourself and you know, I mean,

1949
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:26,120
Speaker 7: it's it's just all part of the picture. I mean,

1950
01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:27,639
Speaker 7: I I they've been helpful.

1951
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:30,519
Speaker 3: I'm the first one to admit to it. Like I

1952
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:33,840
Speaker 3: I looked at it from a different way and I watched.

1953
01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:37,880
Speaker 7: I mostly use PFF just for like record, that's what

1954
01:27:37,960 --> 01:27:39,680
Speaker 7: they're doing too, they're watching the game.

1955
01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:42,200
Speaker 3: But I'm not assigning blame to anybody. Now, I don't

1956
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:45,160
Speaker 3: know what the coverages are. Well, that's different. But I've

1957
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:49,040
Speaker 3: had people tell me that they've actually charted zone coverages

1958
01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:51,479
Speaker 3: on plays that were man like that's how far off

1959
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:52,960
Speaker 3: they can be. Yeah, I do.

1960
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:55,760
Speaker 4: That's different. I I just think when it comes to

1961
01:27:55,840 --> 01:27:58,720
Speaker 4: pressure in particular, the coverage stuff, whatever, but when it

1962
01:27:58,760 --> 01:28:01,120
Speaker 4: comes to pressure in particular, we just know so much

1963
01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:04,960
Speaker 4: more now about like sacks is just is such a

1964
01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:09,679
Speaker 4: small sample size to be measuring, like who is causing

1965
01:28:09,960 --> 01:28:13,679
Speaker 4: the most disruption on plays, and so the pressure stats

1966
01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 4: allow us to look at guys that are impacting plays

1967
01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:20,080
Speaker 4: on a more regular basis, and like pressure on quarterbacks

1968
01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:23,479
Speaker 4: is such a big thing in the game that it's

1969
01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:26,559
Speaker 4: good to be able to measure, you know, the guys

1970
01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:31,280
Speaker 4: that maybe aren't necessarily ten sack plus guys every single year,

1971
01:28:31,560 --> 01:28:33,920
Speaker 4: but they cause a lot of disruption which causes a

1972
01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:37,599
Speaker 4: lot of interceptions or incompletions or whatever. So those stuff

1973
01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:39,519
Speaker 4: are are important. I have to defend the nerds.

1974
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:44,240
Speaker 3: But job, But a good job by Rodney. He sparked conversations.

1975
01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:47,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I I look, they their grades are hard.

1976
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:51,960
Speaker 3: So we also we had a conversation about someone came

1977
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:53,880
Speaker 3: at Mike about Jayden Daniels and I was just like,

1978
01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:54,679
Speaker 3: I don't Mike.

1979
01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:55,360
Speaker 4: What did you say about JA?

1980
01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:57,880
Speaker 3: But I don't understand why everybody has to have this

1981
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:00,880
Speaker 3: is the same kind of thing, Like, why why am

1982
01:29:00,920 --> 01:29:02,800
Speaker 3: I going to sit here and say, Evan, you're wrong,

1983
01:29:03,439 --> 01:29:05,360
Speaker 3: You're wrong, that's actually useless stuff.

1984
01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:06,400
Speaker 2: No, I feel like it is.

1985
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:09,360
Speaker 3: Evan feels like there's value to it. Why can't you

1986
01:29:09,439 --> 01:29:14,240
Speaker 3: know people have different opinions. Yeah, Like I really you

1987
01:29:14,280 --> 01:29:17,240
Speaker 3: would have thought Mike, you know, ended quarterback.

1988
01:29:18,479 --> 01:29:21,120
Speaker 2: But as Ernie would say, practices, as Ernie Adams would

1989
01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:23,640
Speaker 2: say in Dynasty, if you're not in the building, you

1990
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:24,240
Speaker 2: don't know.

1991
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:27,080
Speaker 4: So when he tracks it, it's good. But when everybody

1992
01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:28,760
Speaker 4: well they know they know what the play, you know

1993
01:29:28,840 --> 01:29:30,960
Speaker 4: what the play. When he's doing it for other teams,

1994
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:31,679
Speaker 4: that doesn't count.

1995
01:29:32,360 --> 01:29:36,400
Speaker 3: That's a good point that that's still different tracking tendencies

1996
01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:39,640
Speaker 3: and you know, packages and stuff like that, which is

1997
01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:41,400
Speaker 3: some of the stuff that you say is valuable that

1998
01:29:41,479 --> 01:29:45,360
Speaker 3: PF is the most valuable stuff is that.

1999
01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:48,280
Speaker 7: Where guys play, especially in the Patriots defense, workut you know,

2000
01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:51,120
Speaker 7: like last year, I mean I think I've consulted a

2001
01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:53,479
Speaker 7: number of times with you. How did the free safety

2002
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:56,080
Speaker 7: snaps evolved last year with Duggar and you know, with

2003
01:29:56,200 --> 01:29:58,120
Speaker 7: with Peppers, those kind of things. It's great for it'll

2004
01:29:58,160 --> 01:29:59,920
Speaker 7: tell you know, when guys are moving up and downline

2005
01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:02,000
Speaker 7: where you know where Tod Key on White play last year?

2006
01:30:02,040 --> 01:30:02,280
Speaker 3: You know what?

2007
01:30:02,360 --> 01:30:03,880
Speaker 7: What where do they have him the most?

2008
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:04,680
Speaker 6: Though those kind of.

2009
01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:07,560
Speaker 7: Questions, I think PFF is great for they track that

2010
01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:09,000
Speaker 7: stuff and that that's easily easy.

2011
01:30:09,160 --> 01:30:13,240
Speaker 2: What's so there's PFF. What's their biggest competitor next Gen?

2012
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:15,040
Speaker 2: Next Gen? Which is better?

2013
01:30:15,400 --> 01:30:18,040
Speaker 4: I would say PFF is maybe a little bit better

2014
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:22,120
Speaker 4: because they actually have people that are watching, whereas next

2015
01:30:22,160 --> 01:30:23,400
Speaker 4: Gen is all with the chips.

2016
01:30:25,080 --> 01:30:25,200
Speaker 3: Right.

2017
01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:29,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's mostly accurate, but there's times where like I'll

2018
01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:31,360
Speaker 4: watch a play and they have the dots, and the

2019
01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:35,000
Speaker 4: dots will they will actually identify coverages and like it

2020
01:30:35,080 --> 01:30:37,400
Speaker 4: will say, oh, the defense was in cover too, and

2021
01:30:37,479 --> 01:30:39,599
Speaker 4: I was like, that ain't cover too.

2022
01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:43,040
Speaker 2: To me, it's completely different. I mean you in order

2023
01:30:43,080 --> 01:30:44,840
Speaker 2: to do what PFF does, I don't.

2024
01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:46,880
Speaker 4: Think you can do it without watching, right, they have

2025
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:47,400
Speaker 4: an army.

2026
01:30:47,439 --> 01:30:50,600
Speaker 2: You can't do it with just chips. Chips gives you

2027
01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:52,360
Speaker 2: access to different things.

2028
01:30:52,479 --> 01:30:54,880
Speaker 4: I think I don't know, right, Like their coverage stats

2029
01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:58,559
Speaker 4: on next Gen is who is literally the closest defender

2030
01:30:58,640 --> 01:31:01,439
Speaker 4: to the player, like by geographic.

2031
01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:04,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that could mean anything, right, And maybe he's

2032
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:05,360
Speaker 2: not supposed to be there.

2033
01:31:05,560 --> 01:31:07,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, and that's and that's why it's all part of

2034
01:31:07,240 --> 01:31:09,320
Speaker 7: the picture for me, next gen. If you want to

2035
01:31:09,400 --> 01:31:11,200
Speaker 7: watch the game again, or you know, watch the All

2036
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:12,320
Speaker 7: twenty two or break down some.

2037
01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:13,559
Speaker 6: Plate like it's it's awesome.

2038
01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:16,240
Speaker 7: It's a it's an indispensable tool, Like for if you're

2039
01:31:16,280 --> 01:31:18,360
Speaker 7: watching the game yourself, and I'm not really concerned with

2040
01:31:18,439 --> 01:31:20,760
Speaker 7: what the stats are, but you know, they have all

2041
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:22,800
Speaker 7: of that stuff there and you know, each play and

2042
01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:24,679
Speaker 7: the dots even, like you know, it makes it easy

2043
01:31:24,720 --> 01:31:26,280
Speaker 7: to identify who was wearing stuff.

2044
01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:27,760
Speaker 6: It's that that next gen thing.

2045
01:31:27,880 --> 01:31:32,120
Speaker 4: I've had many DM conversations with people at PFF about

2046
01:31:32,160 --> 01:31:35,800
Speaker 4: Patriots player grades though I'm like, you guys, what what

2047
01:31:36,040 --> 01:31:39,200
Speaker 4: what are we doing like this, like we're great, We're grading,

2048
01:31:39,479 --> 01:31:42,760
Speaker 4: Like you know, you gave Dante high Tower like a

2049
01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:44,200
Speaker 4: fifty for this game and.

2050
01:31:44,240 --> 01:31:47,200
Speaker 3: He was everywhere, Like I don't know what you will

2051
01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:49,120
Speaker 3: for that year where it was like I just I

2052
01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:50,679
Speaker 3: think there's a lot of more examples.

2053
01:31:50,760 --> 01:31:52,640
Speaker 2: The other one, the balls aren't chipped yet, are they

2054
01:31:53,120 --> 01:31:54,120
Speaker 2: are the balls chipped?

2055
01:31:54,240 --> 01:31:54,479
Speaker 3: Yeah?

2056
01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:55,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh they are.

2057
01:31:55,840 --> 01:31:57,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, the balls are tripped. And what I'm waiting for

2058
01:31:58,320 --> 01:32:01,640
Speaker 4: for next gen I think will eventually is that they

2059
01:32:01,720 --> 01:32:05,800
Speaker 4: can track velocity on throws now of how fast the

2060
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:06,679
Speaker 4: quarterback is thrown.

2061
01:32:06,760 --> 01:32:08,679
Speaker 2: But no, I just want to be clear. So every

2062
01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:12,800
Speaker 2: ball that each team has, you know that that big

2063
01:32:12,920 --> 01:32:18,120
Speaker 2: ball bag here it's infamous. Who's they have a ship

2064
01:32:18,160 --> 01:32:20,599
Speaker 2: in it? So what are they tucking into the laces?

2065
01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:21,839
Speaker 2: Where is now it's.

2066
01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:23,840
Speaker 4: Dug into the ball? It's just a little chip, like

2067
01:32:23,920 --> 01:32:26,160
Speaker 4: it doesn't nice, not that big. So it's made in

2068
01:32:26,280 --> 01:32:26,720
Speaker 4: the in the.

2069
01:32:27,439 --> 01:32:31,479
Speaker 2: So when who's who's currently the manufactured Wilson Amazon? Oh

2070
01:32:31,840 --> 01:32:35,760
Speaker 2: well yeah Wilson. Yeah, so Wilson's putting the chip in

2071
01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:37,080
Speaker 2: at the time they make the ball.

2072
01:32:37,479 --> 01:32:41,560
Speaker 4: The n w S or whatever the Amazon brand is.

2073
01:32:42,320 --> 01:32:43,320
Speaker 7: Be a good video.

2074
01:32:44,520 --> 01:32:46,560
Speaker 2: I think chips in the ball that might be a

2075
01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:47,120
Speaker 2: good story.

2076
01:32:47,360 --> 01:32:47,559
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2077
01:32:47,640 --> 01:32:49,839
Speaker 7: I mean it's funny because when you watch like the dots,

2078
01:32:49,880 --> 01:32:51,760
Speaker 7: like you know, like the ball just like you can

2079
01:32:51,840 --> 01:32:55,160
Speaker 7: see it, you know, like it moves like a throw,

2080
01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:56,439
Speaker 7: you know, like it's just you can tell.

2081
01:32:57,960 --> 01:33:01,479
Speaker 2: Let's see Franklin in Baltimore rights in as has become

2082
01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:04,479
Speaker 2: the slogan for twenty twenty four. I'm standing on business

2083
01:33:05,080 --> 01:33:09,040
Speaker 2: and putting my name behind penix. I think he will

2084
01:33:09,080 --> 01:33:11,320
Speaker 2: be the best quarterback out of this draft, and he

2085
01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:14,760
Speaker 2: will be one of those prospects where in retrospect people

2086
01:33:14,840 --> 01:33:18,160
Speaker 2: will question why he wasn't taken higher. I'm mainly texting

2087
01:33:18,240 --> 01:33:21,639
Speaker 2: this in in the event I'm right, nobody can say

2088
01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:24,720
Speaker 2: this is a take in hindsight, or that no one

2089
01:33:25,200 --> 01:33:27,479
Speaker 2: said this pre draft. And if I'm wrong, I already

2090
01:33:27,520 --> 01:33:30,479
Speaker 2: have the crow in the freezer and hot sauce in

2091
01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:31,000
Speaker 2: the fridge.

2092
01:33:32,120 --> 01:33:35,240
Speaker 3: No problem. Honestly, this is the opposite of the other

2093
01:33:35,320 --> 01:33:37,280
Speaker 3: guy that to attacked you. I have no problem, you

2094
01:33:37,320 --> 01:33:38,200
Speaker 3: haven't opinion, I need to know.

2095
01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:41,800
Speaker 6: No, he was just sick of me expressing my you know,

2096
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:42,760
Speaker 6: kind of concerns.

2097
01:33:43,080 --> 01:33:45,240
Speaker 3: But it was like the condescending, like we get at

2098
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:48,480
Speaker 3: all the tried and true criticisms. It was the phraseology

2099
01:33:48,520 --> 01:33:49,760
Speaker 3: that bugged me more than anything.

2100
01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:51,360
Speaker 6: I appreciate that, you.

2101
01:33:51,400 --> 01:33:53,720
Speaker 3: Know, the tried and true criticisms of Jayden Daniels. In

2102
01:33:53,760 --> 01:33:56,840
Speaker 3: other words, you don't know what I know. You don't

2103
01:33:56,840 --> 01:34:00,160
Speaker 3: know ball, So I understand why you would think that

2104
01:34:00,240 --> 01:34:02,680
Speaker 3: he's not a good prospect Devan because you don't know,

2105
01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:03,280
Speaker 3: like I know.

2106
01:34:03,400 --> 01:34:04,320
Speaker 4: See, this is how people think.

2107
01:34:04,360 --> 01:34:07,839
Speaker 2: I say, basically, basically saying, all you're doing is repeating

2108
01:34:07,880 --> 01:34:10,320
Speaker 2: what everyone else is saying. Right, but you're doing it

2109
01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:11,679
Speaker 2: while you're eating a lemon.

2110
01:34:12,240 --> 01:34:15,479
Speaker 3: Right he's squinting. Yeah, that's because he's an actor.

2111
01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:22,200
Speaker 4: Penix Penix, though, stock is cooling, I would say on

2112
01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:26,760
Speaker 4: Michael Pennix, so emailer, I don't know if the consensus

2113
01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:30,680
Speaker 4: around the league, the scuttle butt is necessarily on your

2114
01:34:30,760 --> 01:34:33,000
Speaker 4: side on this with Pixe.

2115
01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:38,280
Speaker 2: Penix is really cooled off. Yeah, Mike writes in I'm

2116
01:34:38,280 --> 01:34:40,360
Speaker 2: pretty much on the board that the Patriots are going

2117
01:34:40,439 --> 01:34:43,519
Speaker 2: to take a quarterback at three? How good would the

2118
01:34:43,640 --> 01:34:46,080
Speaker 2: quarterback we take need to be for us not to

2119
01:34:46,200 --> 01:34:50,760
Speaker 2: regret passing on a guy like Marvin Harrison or Joe

2120
01:34:50,840 --> 01:34:55,400
Speaker 2: all Control, all delete, assuming they pan out as expected.

2121
01:34:55,520 --> 01:34:58,280
Speaker 2: Ignore process that says it's fine to miss on a

2122
01:34:58,400 --> 01:35:01,599
Speaker 2: quarterback and still be glad you took him. I think

2123
01:35:01,680 --> 01:35:05,519
Speaker 2: a quarterback like Tua or Derek Carr wouldn't be good

2124
01:35:05,640 --> 01:35:08,320
Speaker 2: enough for me because I don't think those are guys

2125
01:35:09,439 --> 01:35:12,599
Speaker 2: you can win because of I think whoever we draft

2126
01:35:12,800 --> 01:35:17,400
Speaker 2: isn't as good, at least Dak Prescott. It would be

2127
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:20,760
Speaker 2: better to invest in the surrounding situation. So it has

2128
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:22,960
Speaker 2: to be at least as good as Dak Prescott.

2129
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:26,440
Speaker 3: Any of those three would be I would regret passing.

2130
01:35:26,160 --> 01:35:29,040
Speaker 2: On I would love to hear what you'd think would

2131
01:35:29,080 --> 01:35:32,120
Speaker 2: be good enough to justify the pick in perfect hindsight.

2132
01:35:32,920 --> 01:35:35,760
Speaker 4: I'm not a big Derek Carr guy, so if it's

2133
01:35:35,800 --> 01:35:38,439
Speaker 4: Derek Carr, I think it would be tough to swallow.

2134
01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:41,439
Speaker 4: I think Dak and Tua kind of in the same tier. Like,

2135
01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:44,000
Speaker 4: I don't really think that Dak is all that much

2136
01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:44,800
Speaker 4: better than Tua.

2137
01:35:44,920 --> 01:35:44,960
Speaker 8: Is.

2138
01:35:46,040 --> 01:35:48,559
Speaker 4: I love Dak, so i'd probably have Dak higher than

2139
01:35:48,640 --> 01:35:49,960
Speaker 4: Tua if I were to rank him.

2140
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:54,679
Speaker 3: But people I don't know, they're also going in opposite directions. Yeah,

2141
01:35:54,920 --> 01:35:58,000
Speaker 3: but I like if to me, if you get a

2142
01:35:58,080 --> 01:36:01,000
Speaker 3: good quarterback that you can win games with and you

2143
01:36:01,120 --> 01:36:03,679
Speaker 3: pass on that for a good wide receiver, I'm gonna

2144
01:36:03,720 --> 01:36:06,320
Speaker 3: regret that. And I think Derek Carr is a good

2145
01:36:06,360 --> 01:36:09,240
Speaker 3: quarterback that you can win games with. Out of those three,

2146
01:36:09,400 --> 01:36:12,840
Speaker 3: he would be three. I like Dak and two of more.

2147
01:36:13,439 --> 01:36:16,760
Speaker 3: But I would regret Jared Goff. I'd regret having a

2148
01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:21,080
Speaker 3: guy turn out to be that good and not taking them. Now.

2149
01:36:21,479 --> 01:36:23,760
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna be silly and say, oh, he turns

2150
01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:26,680
Speaker 3: into Patrick Mahomes. Obviously, anybody would regret.

2151
01:36:26,479 --> 01:36:28,160
Speaker 4: That, but the Bears do.

2152
01:36:28,920 --> 01:36:31,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I just if you if you don't have

2153
01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:35,040
Speaker 3: a good quarterback. You know, there are a lot of

2154
01:36:35,120 --> 01:36:37,200
Speaker 3: quarterbacks in the league that aren't as good as Derek Carr.

2155
01:36:37,320 --> 01:36:39,639
Speaker 2: To me, the floor at three has to be Kirk Cousins.

2156
01:36:40,320 --> 01:36:42,920
Speaker 4: That's Derek Carr, you think so. I think they're both

2157
01:36:43,240 --> 01:36:43,680
Speaker 4: out to him.

2158
01:36:44,040 --> 01:36:44,200
Speaker 7: Yeah.

2159
01:36:44,760 --> 01:36:45,960
Speaker 2: I think Cousin a little bit better.

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Speaker 4: A little bit.

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Speaker 3: I think I agree with that, but I think they're

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Speaker 3: very similar. And I would regret passing on. As much

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01:36:52,439 --> 01:36:54,960
Speaker 3: as I'm not a huge Cousins guy, I would regret

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01:36:55,360 --> 01:36:58,320
Speaker 3: if he turns out to be Cousins. I'd regret that.

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Speaker 4: So you're saying you can get to the can win,

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Speaker 4: that would.

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Speaker 2: Be my minimum minimum to be at least as good

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Speaker 2: as Kirk Cousins.

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Speaker 3: I hear that.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't say if if he ends up being Kirk Cousins,

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01:37:09,080 --> 01:37:10,640
Speaker 4: Am I gonna call him a bust and like be

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01:37:10,720 --> 01:37:14,840
Speaker 4: all angry about it? No, but you're definitely little disappointed.

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01:37:15,320 --> 01:37:16,720
Speaker 2: That's not the But that's not the question.

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Speaker 3: This was just what's the worst he could be that

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Speaker 3: you would regret not taking Marvin Harrison, right, Yeah, Like yeah,

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01:37:24,200 --> 01:37:26,559
Speaker 3: I want yeah, the third overall pick. I'm I'm looking

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Speaker 3: for more than Kirk Cousins, and which is Carr.

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Speaker 4: Why I don't want to draft Ad McCarthy.

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Speaker 2: But that's a separate We already had a long talk

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Speaker 2: about him.

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01:37:33,360 --> 01:37:34,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, we all love him.

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Speaker 3: So let me let me just throw my real quick

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Speaker 3: back out. We already talked about this at nauseum. But

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Speaker 3: the notion that you take McCarthy because he's the safe pick, yeah,

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01:37:44,320 --> 01:37:45,800
Speaker 3: why is that in your mind?

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Speaker 4: I think that when you when you watch him, he's

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01:37:49,760 --> 01:37:55,000
Speaker 4: at his best basically running the offense on the first rate.

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01:37:55,240 --> 01:37:56,760
Speaker 4: Like if you are in the like one of these

2189
01:37:56,840 --> 01:37:59,160
Speaker 4: offenses that's got one of these wings kid coaches that

2190
01:37:59,240 --> 01:38:01,479
Speaker 4: can get the first read open all the time, and

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01:38:01,560 --> 01:38:03,840
Speaker 4: he's playing on time and he's getting the ball out

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01:38:03,880 --> 01:38:06,320
Speaker 4: on time, then he can be accurate. He can he

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01:38:06,439 --> 01:38:09,360
Speaker 4: can play within the confines of this pro style system.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, is that what I did? No for you?

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01:38:13,680 --> 01:38:15,040
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, So.

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Speaker 4: I'd look at McCarthy as in that rock purty mold

2197
01:38:21,040 --> 01:38:23,920
Speaker 4: of is he gonna be the reason why you win

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01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:25,559
Speaker 4: single handedly?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:29,679
Speaker 4: No, But if you put him in the right situation

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01:38:29,840 --> 01:38:32,679
Speaker 4: with a good play caller, and then yes, yeah.

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01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:34,719
Speaker 3: No, that's an analysis is the play of the player.

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01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:37,599
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to wonder, and I've heard a lot

2204
01:38:37,680 --> 01:38:40,360
Speaker 3: of this, Well you go with him because that's less

2205
01:38:40,479 --> 01:38:43,120
Speaker 3: like I've actually heard people say in terms of the Patriots,

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01:38:43,640 --> 01:38:47,519
Speaker 3: because he's he's the safest guy, and he'll be safe

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01:38:47,560 --> 01:38:50,599
Speaker 3: for the new regime. And I don't really unders like if,

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01:38:51,560 --> 01:38:54,720
Speaker 3: like if the example I use is, if May doesn't work,

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01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:57,320
Speaker 3: it's gonna because he can't figure out how to be

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01:38:57,400 --> 01:39:00,560
Speaker 3: more consistent, avoid mistakes, yeah, and get his accuracy is

2211
01:39:00,640 --> 01:39:04,120
Speaker 3: mechanics down, that's gonna be why he fails, McCarthy. If

2212
01:39:04,240 --> 01:39:07,000
Speaker 3: if he fails, it's going to be because he didn't

2213
01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:08,360
Speaker 3: have the ability to do all the things that we

2214
01:39:08,439 --> 01:39:11,040
Speaker 3: never saw him doing college. So I don't understand why

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01:39:11,080 --> 01:39:12,639
Speaker 3: one of those things is safe and the other one's

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01:39:12,800 --> 01:39:13,160
Speaker 3: a risk.

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Speaker 4: No, I hear what you're saying. I think that the

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01:39:15,920 --> 01:39:19,960
Speaker 4: safe thing more. I think more comes from just what

2219
01:39:20,160 --> 01:39:23,519
Speaker 4: you you believe, McCarthy is in terms of you know,

2220
01:39:23,560 --> 01:39:24,799
Speaker 4: we call guys game managers.

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01:39:24,920 --> 01:39:27,439
Speaker 3: You're making a progression on both on both sides. But

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01:39:27,640 --> 01:39:29,320
Speaker 3: and you need to be right or you're going to

2223
01:39:29,360 --> 01:39:29,720
Speaker 3: regret it.

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01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:32,240
Speaker 2: But all you're saying by saying that he's safer is

2225
01:39:33,120 --> 01:39:35,519
Speaker 2: looking at the style of play that Michigan had and

2226
01:39:35,600 --> 01:39:38,160
Speaker 2: saying it was a low risk offense.

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Speaker 3: Right. But I would say, like, if you're saying someone safe,

2228
01:39:42,560 --> 01:39:45,240
Speaker 3: that means you already think that they have a level

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01:39:45,320 --> 01:39:49,639
Speaker 3: of play that can compete at the NFL level. Right,

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01:39:50,360 --> 01:39:53,320
Speaker 3: we don't think JJ McCarthy has exhibited that at misig.

2231
01:39:53,320 --> 01:39:55,080
Speaker 2: Right, we know what he can do. No, we don't

2232
01:39:55,120 --> 01:39:56,000
Speaker 2: know what he can do.

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01:39:56,520 --> 01:39:58,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think safe as is not the word I

2234
01:39:58,680 --> 01:40:00,760
Speaker 4: would That's the word hit that has been here he

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01:40:00,880 --> 01:40:02,880
Speaker 4: has right, Like I'm not Maybe that's not one of

2236
01:40:02,960 --> 01:40:06,600
Speaker 4: my strong I think the other accused me of I

2237
01:40:06,840 --> 01:40:09,200
Speaker 4: don't agree with the word safe, But just to to

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01:40:09,320 --> 01:40:11,439
Speaker 4: give you an argument, I think the one the one

2239
01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:16,120
Speaker 4: thing that JJ McCarthy really gets the feather in his

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Speaker 4: cap is his mechanics. He's his footwork and his release

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01:40:20,439 --> 01:40:26,240
Speaker 4: and his efficiency on NFL Pro style dropbacks is really real.

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01:40:26,760 --> 01:40:31,120
Speaker 3: Would have his floor might be you know, the worst

2243
01:40:31,160 --> 01:40:35,360
Speaker 3: that he's going to be is stiff, whereas may could

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01:40:35,400 --> 01:40:36,880
Speaker 3: be an abject disaster.

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01:40:37,000 --> 01:40:39,800
Speaker 2: Correct and it's easy mechanics when you're throwing from an

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01:40:39,840 --> 01:40:42,759
Speaker 2: empty parking lot, you know, like, yeah, he's.

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01:40:42,640 --> 01:40:46,360
Speaker 4: Really yeah, but yeah, he I mean he has that.

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01:40:46,560 --> 01:40:50,479
Speaker 4: That's that's I think he's not a project in the

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01:40:50,600 --> 01:40:54,080
Speaker 4: sense of his mechanics and his footwork and like like

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Speaker 4: May is, you know, like May May is a playmaker,

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01:40:57,120 --> 01:41:00,679
Speaker 4: but he but he has those issues mechanically. J. J. McCarthy,

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01:41:00,960 --> 01:41:04,479
Speaker 4: I think a lot of people feel good about We

2253
01:41:04,520 --> 01:41:07,720
Speaker 4: don't necessarily need to coach up his footwork and we

2254
01:41:07,760 --> 01:41:09,760
Speaker 4: don't need to tweak with his release because it is

2255
01:41:09,880 --> 01:41:13,080
Speaker 4: compact and efficient. So like we're all we're doing with

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01:41:13,240 --> 01:41:16,920
Speaker 4: JJ McCarthy in my mind is that he as a processor.

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Speaker 4: He's just not a creative player. Like he just he

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01:41:20,400 --> 01:41:22,920
Speaker 4: sees it and he throws what's open. But like he's

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01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:25,360
Speaker 4: not somebody that's gonna go out there and have this

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01:41:25,520 --> 01:41:28,880
Speaker 4: great creative playmaking gene that he's going to add plays.

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01:41:28,960 --> 01:41:30,800
Speaker 2: Everything because he hasn't been asked to do that.

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01:41:31,040 --> 01:41:32,080
Speaker 4: No, he just doesn't do it.

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01:41:33,920 --> 01:41:35,040
Speaker 2: When has he had to do?

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01:41:35,160 --> 01:41:37,240
Speaker 4: Do we want to pull up the film like I can.

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01:41:38,200 --> 01:41:40,920
Speaker 4: Like the thing is is that he just he is

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01:41:41,000 --> 01:41:43,439
Speaker 4: one of those guys that I consistently see on tape

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01:41:43,720 --> 01:41:46,920
Speaker 4: that leaves bigger plays on the field because he's got

2268
01:41:46,960 --> 01:41:48,479
Speaker 4: tunnel vision for the first read.

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Speaker 2: If there was one thing that before they hit the

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01:41:53,120 --> 01:41:57,080
Speaker 2: field you find out about JJ McCarthy that could change

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01:41:57,080 --> 01:41:59,000
Speaker 2: your mind, I say, you know what this guy can do?

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01:41:59,200 --> 01:41:59,880
Speaker 7: What is it?

2273
01:42:00,160 --> 01:42:00,599
Speaker 2: Anything?

2274
01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:00,920
Speaker 7: No?

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01:42:01,280 --> 01:42:05,600
Speaker 4: No, no, because I'd look at him as like I

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01:42:05,680 --> 01:42:08,439
Speaker 4: keep saying, I look at him super similarly to brock Purty,

2277
01:42:08,640 --> 01:42:10,320
Speaker 4: where I think there is something. There is something to

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01:42:10,400 --> 01:42:11,599
Speaker 4: the fact that he's got a little bit of an

2279
01:42:11,640 --> 01:42:13,800
Speaker 4: it factor to him. Yeah, right, a little bit of

2280
01:42:13,880 --> 01:42:16,400
Speaker 4: that winning culture whatever you want to call it, that

2281
01:42:16,520 --> 01:42:20,000
Speaker 4: hit factor, and he can move around a little bit.

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01:42:20,080 --> 01:42:20,920
Speaker 4: He's not a stats but.

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01:42:20,880 --> 01:42:23,479
Speaker 2: If he sit down, if you were Elliott Wolf or whoever,

2284
01:42:23,560 --> 01:42:27,360
Speaker 2: and you sat down with Daniels and May and JJ McCarthy,

2285
01:42:27,520 --> 01:42:32,840
Speaker 2: and in those one on ones, you realize, of these three,

2286
01:42:33,240 --> 01:42:35,720
Speaker 2: McCarthy is head and shoulders smarter than the other two.

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01:42:36,160 --> 01:42:41,000
Speaker 2: He's just he processes faster. He's gonna Would that change

2288
01:42:41,040 --> 01:42:41,640
Speaker 2: your mind at all?

2289
01:42:42,400 --> 01:42:44,559
Speaker 4: I would be shocked if that was the case, because

2290
01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:47,080
Speaker 4: it just doesn't show up on tape. So like, yeah,

2291
01:42:47,120 --> 01:42:49,200
Speaker 4: maybe he can get up on the whiteboard and and

2292
01:42:49,680 --> 01:42:51,920
Speaker 4: talk through the plays better than those other guys. But

2293
01:42:52,280 --> 01:42:53,040
Speaker 4: that's not football.

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01:42:53,160 --> 01:42:54,880
Speaker 2: What if he comes to you and says, Evan, you're

2295
01:42:54,960 --> 01:42:59,080
Speaker 2: the best decision. I'm the best decision this organization is

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01:42:59,120 --> 01:42:59,760
Speaker 2: ever gonna make.

2297
01:43:00,520 --> 01:43:02,200
Speaker 4: I don't know. I just can't get there with him.

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01:43:02,240 --> 01:43:03,559
Speaker 7: What if he found out he played hockey.

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01:43:05,360 --> 01:43:08,360
Speaker 4: It just what it comes down to is that if

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01:43:08,400 --> 01:43:11,320
Speaker 4: you're the Patriots and you're picking at three overall, your

2301
01:43:11,439 --> 01:43:14,040
Speaker 4: quarterback has to be the reason you win games. I agree,

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01:43:14,320 --> 01:43:16,080
Speaker 4: the guy you draft has to be the reason why

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01:43:16,160 --> 01:43:18,240
Speaker 4: you win games, and I just don't think that he'll

2304
01:43:18,280 --> 01:43:22,040
Speaker 4: ever be the driving the bus drivers. He can be

2305
01:43:22,520 --> 01:43:25,680
Speaker 4: a very very capable passenger, but he's never going to

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01:43:25,720 --> 01:43:27,400
Speaker 4: be the guy that's like, we're coming out of this

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01:43:27,560 --> 01:43:30,840
Speaker 4: game saying we won this game because JJ McCarthy put

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01:43:30,920 --> 01:43:33,559
Speaker 4: us on his back and won the game for us.

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Speaker 2: Ye all right. Web Radio at Patriots dot Com Alex

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Speaker 2: from Warren. I'm an avid listener, love the content you

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Speaker 2: put out, but I have been a little disappointed with

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01:43:44,760 --> 01:43:46,799
Speaker 2: your lack of coverage on one of the most important

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Speaker 2: picks that this organization has had in a very long time,

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Speaker 2: maybe ever. I of course, am talking about who was

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Speaker 2: going to replace Hardy on the pre postgame shows. Boss

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01:43:56,240 --> 01:43:58,240
Speaker 2: man Fred seems to really want to focus on the

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01:43:58,360 --> 01:44:02,120
Speaker 2: draft to avoid this glaring on the team. Please be better.

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Speaker 7: We were just talking about that actually, and uh, yeah,

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Speaker 7: I don't know in discussions.

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Speaker 2: Discussions. Yeah, we'll see see what happens, Mike and THEOC.

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Speaker 2: In past drafts, we would try to find draft prospects

2322
01:44:16,720 --> 01:44:20,519
Speaker 2: we had a feeling Belichick would like and draft over others.

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01:44:21,080 --> 01:44:23,320
Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you, guys, if you've done research

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01:44:23,400 --> 01:44:26,679
Speaker 2: on Elliott Wilf's draft history and habits, I e. Types

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Speaker 2: of players actually should be eg. Types of players on

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01:44:30,479 --> 01:44:33,759
Speaker 2: offense or defense he is known for taking in the draft.

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Speaker 2: Are there certain types of receivers or quarterbacks he favors

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Speaker 2: over others?

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Speaker 6: No, I mean I think that that's it.

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01:44:41,120 --> 01:44:42,840
Speaker 7: We certainly with built, with how long he was, you

2331
01:44:42,920 --> 01:44:44,840
Speaker 7: had a good sample size of the kind of players

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01:44:44,920 --> 01:44:46,960
Speaker 7: that he likes, certainly on defense, the kind of guys

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01:44:47,000 --> 01:44:50,240
Speaker 7: that he liked. And you know, having done like the

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01:44:50,280 --> 01:44:52,640
Speaker 7: big board stuff and now like I I've just kind

2335
01:44:52,680 --> 01:44:54,760
Speaker 7: of gravitated, let's just find good players, Like, let's not

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01:44:54,840 --> 01:44:57,439
Speaker 7: get too concerned about this type or that type, like

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01:44:57,600 --> 01:44:59,400
Speaker 7: just find guys that you really like, that you think

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01:44:59,439 --> 01:45:02,000
Speaker 7: can play, you know, don't try to well, I think

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01:45:02,040 --> 01:45:04,320
Speaker 7: this guy is great, but it doesn't seem like something

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01:45:04,400 --> 01:45:06,160
Speaker 7: like and there's so much put up against the Packers

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01:45:06,200 --> 01:45:07,280
Speaker 7: and what the Packers have done.

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01:45:07,200 --> 01:45:07,960
Speaker 3: Like he's never done it.

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01:45:08,040 --> 01:45:10,400
Speaker 7: I don't really get why, just never had his dad

2344
01:45:10,600 --> 01:45:12,960
Speaker 7: was there in the nineties that you know now that

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01:45:13,080 --> 01:45:15,000
Speaker 7: that's his you know, Like, I just you gotta find

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01:45:15,000 --> 01:45:15,479
Speaker 7: good players.

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01:45:15,520 --> 01:45:18,960
Speaker 3: Had twenty plus years of watching Bill and sort of

2348
01:45:19,160 --> 01:45:20,720
Speaker 3: trying to figure out what he might do, and we

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01:45:20,800 --> 01:45:23,880
Speaker 3: still didn't do it. I mean people rarely. I'm not

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Speaker 3: telling you we never did. I mean we all had hits,

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01:45:27,320 --> 01:45:33,679
Speaker 3: but elit Wolf's never drafted a player. I mean, yeah,

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01:45:34,120 --> 01:45:36,520
Speaker 3: like this is the first time he's in charge.

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01:45:36,400 --> 01:45:37,400
Speaker 2: Right yep, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 7: I mean I think you got to look to the coordinators.

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Speaker 7: And I mean that's why I haven't really veered too

2356
01:45:42,080 --> 01:45:44,160
Speaker 7: far off the path on defense. Like, I think a

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01:45:44,240 --> 01:45:45,640
Speaker 7: lot of the traits that they look for in the

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01:45:45,680 --> 01:45:49,080
Speaker 7: front seven will probably be similar. It's just the hard part,

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Speaker 7: I think is a little bit in the you know,

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Speaker 7: in the receivers, what do they prefer. There's all kinds

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01:45:52,120 --> 01:45:54,400
Speaker 7: of different flavors of receivers this year. What you know

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01:45:54,439 --> 01:45:55,519
Speaker 7: what tickles their fancy?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but when it comes to quarterback, it comes down

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Speaker 2: to one thing.

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Speaker 4: What with Ben mac do do so true?

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Speaker 1: That good?

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Speaker 8: Do do?

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Speaker 4: I've tried?

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Speaker 6: You know, what are you gonna do?

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Speaker 8: Hew?

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Speaker 4: Do you like Patrick Mahomes? What do you like in

2372
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Speaker 4: this trap?

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Speaker 2: to have his own pots? Would be James White. He's

2377
01:46:27,920 --> 01:46:32,920
Speaker 2: got because he's so. He's quiet. He was like unassuming,

2378
01:46:33,080 --> 01:46:33,439
Speaker 2: you know, he.

2379
01:46:33,520 --> 01:46:34,559
Speaker 3: Wasn't he was just nice?

2380
01:46:34,760 --> 01:46:37,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it doesn't make for good podcast.

2381
01:46:37,240 --> 01:46:38,519
Speaker 3: I didn't think he was overly quiet.

2382
01:46:38,560 --> 01:46:40,559
Speaker 2: I think he was really I just don't see him

2383
01:46:40,560 --> 01:46:44,280
Speaker 2: as a host. But here he is cycle hot takes.

2384
01:46:45,040 --> 01:46:46,560
Speaker 3: I definitely do not see him doing that.

2385
01:46:46,800 --> 01:46:51,080
Speaker 2: But anyway, On James White's Money Down podcast, Kendrick Bourne

2386
01:46:51,160 --> 01:46:53,800
Speaker 2: said he wants to achieve a thousand yards and one

2387
01:46:53,840 --> 01:46:56,840
Speaker 2: hundred catches this year. Yeah, wouldn't that be nice? I

2388
01:46:56,960 --> 01:46:59,519
Speaker 2: understand he's coming off an a C. L injury, but

2389
01:46:59,680 --> 01:47:03,120
Speaker 2: would he'd be schematically capable of playing the X or

2390
01:47:03,160 --> 01:47:06,719
Speaker 2: being the number one in an a VP style offense.

2391
01:47:06,840 --> 01:47:09,679
Speaker 7: Oh, I just would say generally.

2392
01:47:09,760 --> 01:47:09,800
Speaker 9: No.

2393
01:47:10,120 --> 01:47:11,720
Speaker 7: I mean, you know, I think he's a good receiver, right,

2394
01:47:11,760 --> 01:47:13,840
Speaker 7: I mean all slots all the time. No. I I

2395
01:47:14,080 --> 01:47:16,040
Speaker 7: mean I think I probably like Kendrick Bordon and that

2396
01:47:16,120 --> 01:47:17,840
Speaker 7: a lot of people more than a lot of people do.

2397
01:47:18,000 --> 01:47:19,559
Speaker 7: I mean, I think he was, you know, really good

2398
01:47:19,640 --> 01:47:21,640
Speaker 7: off too. We could start last year, but I just

2399
01:47:21,800 --> 01:47:23,640
Speaker 7: you know, you need some kind of presence on the

2400
01:47:23,680 --> 01:47:26,360
Speaker 7: outside in some variety, whether it's speed, whether it's size,

2401
01:47:26,760 --> 01:47:28,320
Speaker 7: and they don't really have that right now. I mean

2402
01:47:28,479 --> 01:47:30,320
Speaker 7: we can we can talk about Taekwon Thornton. I think

2403
01:47:30,360 --> 01:47:32,479
Speaker 7: that ship is saled, but they just they don't have

2404
01:47:32,600 --> 01:47:35,040
Speaker 7: anybody on the outside that's going to occupy any kind

2405
01:47:35,080 --> 01:47:35,479
Speaker 7: of detention.

2406
01:47:35,800 --> 01:47:38,200
Speaker 2: And Carlos wants he has a request for me. He

2407
01:47:38,240 --> 01:47:40,479
Speaker 2: wants me to point up to the sky and say,

2408
01:47:40,600 --> 01:47:42,479
Speaker 2: thank you brother. What is that from?

2409
01:47:43,000 --> 01:47:43,439
Speaker 4: No idea?

2410
01:47:44,240 --> 01:47:46,040
Speaker 2: Is that like a meme that's going around now or

2411
01:47:46,080 --> 01:47:46,479
Speaker 2: something like that?

2412
01:47:46,520 --> 01:47:49,840
Speaker 6: Probably wants to me, you don't know there getting ready to.

2413
01:47:50,160 --> 01:47:51,880
Speaker 2: Give the context. I give it a shot, but I

2414
01:47:51,920 --> 01:47:52,640
Speaker 2: don't know what it.

2415
01:47:52,760 --> 01:47:55,800
Speaker 7: Is, So monkey, we're not going to dance for you.

2416
01:47:56,640 --> 01:48:03,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, let's see more may and Daniel's stuff. I mean, listen, hey,

2417
01:48:04,479 --> 01:48:06,800
Speaker 2: people say, well, that's all you're talking about. Well, it's

2418
01:48:07,000 --> 01:48:10,000
Speaker 2: a big deal. I mean it's a big when's the

2419
01:48:10,080 --> 01:48:13,040
Speaker 2: last time we've had a need at quarterback and had

2420
01:48:13,080 --> 01:48:17,120
Speaker 2: the number three pick overall? Yeah, that's the last time.

2421
01:48:17,800 --> 01:48:18,800
Speaker 2: It was a long time ago.

2422
01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:20,080
Speaker 4: I was barely alive.

2423
01:48:20,280 --> 01:48:23,960
Speaker 2: Yep, Brad from the Eastern Shore. Given that the Patriots

2424
01:48:23,960 --> 01:48:27,400
Speaker 2: will take may Or Daniels at three and an ot

2425
01:48:27,760 --> 01:48:32,439
Speaker 2: Jordan Morgan at pick thirty four, Guard, it seems pretty uh, Guard, Okay,

2426
01:48:33,120 --> 01:48:36,120
Speaker 2: would you be willing to trade a third in twenty

2427
01:48:36,240 --> 01:48:39,280
Speaker 2: twenty four and a third in twenty twenty five and

2428
01:48:39,400 --> 01:48:42,840
Speaker 2: possibly a fifth for T Higgins knowing that you would

2429
01:48:42,920 --> 01:48:46,439
Speaker 2: need to pay him twenty five million plus for four years.

2430
01:48:48,960 --> 01:48:51,360
Speaker 7: Gosh, I just had a I mean, I don't know

2431
01:48:51,400 --> 01:48:52,960
Speaker 7: if that if those draft picks would get it done,

2432
01:48:53,000 --> 01:48:54,519
Speaker 7: but yeah, I'd be I mean, i'd be open now.

2433
01:48:54,560 --> 01:48:57,760
Speaker 4: I think sure the Bengals would ye hang up the

2434
01:48:57,800 --> 01:48:58,759
Speaker 4: phone rather quickly.

2435
01:48:58,920 --> 01:49:03,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I like the idea of acquiring T Higgins.

2436
01:49:03,040 --> 01:49:04,240
Speaker 3: I'm not sure how to get it done.

2437
01:49:04,760 --> 01:49:07,519
Speaker 2: I Brad says, I would, as it would give us

2438
01:49:07,560 --> 01:49:10,360
Speaker 2: a number one receiver. I know, snarky Paul will say

2439
01:49:10,400 --> 01:49:11,839
Speaker 2: he has never been a one receiver.

2440
01:49:12,000 --> 01:49:12,560
Speaker 4: Who is this?

2441
01:49:13,600 --> 01:49:15,200
Speaker 3: Higgins was absolutely a number one receiver.

2442
01:49:15,240 --> 01:49:17,439
Speaker 2: But if we pick up a year But if we

2443
01:49:17,520 --> 01:49:20,439
Speaker 2: pick up a Jalen McMillan or Ricky Priersol in the

2444
01:49:20,520 --> 01:49:25,080
Speaker 2: third round, then we will have three number two receivers slots.

2445
01:49:25,240 --> 01:49:27,479
Speaker 2: And you know what Paul says, if you have three

2446
01:49:27,560 --> 01:49:29,840
Speaker 2: number two receivers, you don't have a number one.

2447
01:49:29,800 --> 01:49:31,599
Speaker 7: Receive I can't look at through that lens. I mean,

2448
01:49:31,640 --> 01:49:33,720
Speaker 7: I think like one, two, three, Like I think that T.

2449
01:49:33,920 --> 01:49:36,200
Speaker 7: Higgins would be that presence on the outside that I

2450
01:49:36,360 --> 01:49:38,839
Speaker 7: just mentioned. I don't know how it all like position.

2451
01:49:39,240 --> 01:49:40,960
Speaker 7: I mean, to me, he is a one, but I

2452
01:49:41,040 --> 01:49:44,439
Speaker 7: think they need somebody to threaten outside the number. But

2453
01:49:44,520 --> 01:49:45,880
Speaker 7: you want to call him a one or whatever you

2454
01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:48,639
Speaker 7: want to call him? An act like, they need somebody

2455
01:49:48,720 --> 01:49:51,040
Speaker 7: on the outside who can make contested catches, who has

2456
01:49:51,080 --> 01:49:52,280
Speaker 7: some speed to stretch the field.

2457
01:49:53,120 --> 01:49:55,160
Speaker 3: That that's what I like to Higgins, you didn't get

2458
01:49:55,200 --> 01:49:56,680
Speaker 3: what you were looking for there. I think he's a

2459
01:49:56,720 --> 01:49:57,320
Speaker 3: really good player.

2460
01:49:57,600 --> 01:50:00,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it all comes down because you know,

2461
01:50:00,560 --> 01:50:03,760
Speaker 4: in Cleveland they're Amari Cooper was their ex receiver, and

2462
01:50:03,880 --> 01:50:07,320
Speaker 4: they I think targeted Calvin Ridley to be Amari Cooper,

2463
01:50:07,760 --> 01:50:10,040
Speaker 4: you know, very similar type of route runners and guys

2464
01:50:10,080 --> 01:50:11,720
Speaker 4: at the top of the route. So as much as

2465
01:50:12,200 --> 01:50:14,800
Speaker 4: typically your X receiver is this you know ad An

2466
01:50:14,840 --> 01:50:17,759
Speaker 4: I Mitchell six three two oh five with vertical ability,

2467
01:50:18,120 --> 01:50:20,519
Speaker 4: Like I don't know if that's necessarily how a VP

2468
01:50:20,680 --> 01:50:23,000
Speaker 4: looks at it, Like he might want a guy that's

2469
01:50:23,040 --> 01:50:25,439
Speaker 4: more in the Amari Cooper mold, which wouldn't be that

2470
01:50:25,600 --> 01:50:27,280
Speaker 4: type of player. So that I think that that's the

2471
01:50:28,120 --> 01:50:30,040
Speaker 4: the questions of you know, back to that other email

2472
01:50:30,120 --> 01:50:32,640
Speaker 4: of the Elliott Wolf type, like we don't necessarily know

2473
01:50:33,200 --> 01:50:36,200
Speaker 4: which type of receiver. Maybe they just think we're just

2474
01:50:36,280 --> 01:50:38,080
Speaker 4: gonna get the best guy and we'll make it work

2475
01:50:38,200 --> 01:50:40,600
Speaker 4: with whoever that guy is. But if they're looking for

2476
01:50:40,680 --> 01:50:44,439
Speaker 4: a specific type of stylistic player, then I don't know

2477
01:50:44,479 --> 01:50:46,200
Speaker 4: who that's gonna be yet. You know, it could be

2478
01:50:46,520 --> 01:50:49,080
Speaker 4: a guy like Kendrick Bourne. I don't think is necessarily that,

2479
01:50:49,280 --> 01:50:51,840
Speaker 4: but he's probably more in the Mari Cooper side of

2480
01:50:51,920 --> 01:50:53,840
Speaker 4: things than in the t Higgins side of things. So

2481
01:50:53,880 --> 01:50:54,880
Speaker 4: there's a little bit of over.

2482
01:50:54,840 --> 01:50:56,280
Speaker 7: Them when you when you look at the depth chart

2483
01:50:56,320 --> 01:50:59,000
Speaker 7: two with you know, Juju, and I mean like maybe

2484
01:50:59,120 --> 01:51:01,240
Speaker 7: maybe it exists in there, because I when I look

2485
01:51:01,320 --> 01:51:03,080
Speaker 7: at the depth chart right now, I just I don't

2486
01:51:03,080 --> 01:51:05,439
Speaker 7: see it. But maybe, like to your point, Evan Alex

2487
01:51:05,560 --> 01:51:07,479
Speaker 7: does see it. And you know, he said, we want

2488
01:51:07,479 --> 01:51:10,080
Speaker 7: to play with you know, a little smaller, little more speed.

2489
01:51:10,400 --> 01:51:14,160
Speaker 4: It's best their extra receiver. Again, Cooper is this type

2490
01:51:14,200 --> 01:51:16,599
Speaker 4: of player, so they might have just done this because

2491
01:51:16,640 --> 01:51:18,880
Speaker 4: it was Cooper that they had on their roster. But

2492
01:51:19,360 --> 01:51:21,600
Speaker 4: it was a lot of isolation routes on the backside

2493
01:51:22,080 --> 01:51:25,000
Speaker 4: of formations where he's got one on one coverage and

2494
01:51:25,080 --> 01:51:26,800
Speaker 4: he's a really good route runner, so a lot of

2495
01:51:26,840 --> 01:51:29,240
Speaker 4: the time he's gonna win that matchup. And that that

2496
01:51:29,439 --> 01:51:29,880
Speaker 4: was what it was.

2497
01:51:29,960 --> 01:51:32,360
Speaker 7: And it's hard to say any of the Patriots receivers

2498
01:51:32,520 --> 01:51:35,360
Speaker 7: would do that consistently, right, which is like Kendrick Horrene,

2499
01:51:35,479 --> 01:51:37,240
Speaker 7: but I think he needs to run through traffic and

2500
01:51:37,360 --> 01:51:38,240
Speaker 7: you know, get over whatever.

2501
01:51:38,320 --> 01:51:40,640
Speaker 2: Though they might adopt a Matt grow philosophy. If you

2502
01:51:40,680 --> 01:51:42,760
Speaker 2: want to get better at quarterback, you better draft a

2503
01:51:42,800 --> 01:51:43,559
Speaker 2: better quarterback.

2504
01:51:44,439 --> 01:51:45,080
Speaker 3: It's a good points.

2505
01:51:45,080 --> 01:51:46,479
Speaker 7: Would we really simplified it for us?

2506
01:51:46,520 --> 01:51:47,479
Speaker 3: There good point?

2507
01:51:48,840 --> 01:51:51,880
Speaker 2: Pepe writes in I wouldn't mind if we got JJ.

2508
01:51:52,400 --> 01:51:54,200
Speaker 2: I think you'd be fine. He's a leader, got a

2509
01:51:54,240 --> 01:51:57,120
Speaker 2: good arm, has good mobility. I think people's opinions on

2510
01:51:57,280 --> 01:52:00,479
Speaker 2: JJ are on extreme ends for no reason. He has

2511
01:52:00,520 --> 01:52:02,960
Speaker 2: had good upside and he has a fine prospect in

2512
01:52:03,040 --> 01:52:07,519
Speaker 2: my number four. What really annoys me are uneducated opinions

2513
01:52:07,560 --> 01:52:10,280
Speaker 2: on his time at Michigan. People always talk about how

2514
01:52:10,320 --> 01:52:12,920
Speaker 2: he came into a ready made team, which is fair

2515
01:52:13,439 --> 01:52:15,960
Speaker 2: by the way that team has been good for years,

2516
01:52:16,040 --> 01:52:19,840
Speaker 2: but nobody ever talks about how JJ save Harbaugh's job.

2517
01:52:20,280 --> 01:52:22,439
Speaker 2: He was on the custop of being fired because no

2518
01:52:22,560 --> 01:52:25,759
Speaker 2: other quarterback could help him get over the hump. JJ

2519
01:52:26,000 --> 01:52:29,200
Speaker 2: ultimately was what put Michigan over the hump. And I

2520
01:52:29,280 --> 01:52:31,080
Speaker 2: don't think he gets credited enough for it.

2521
01:52:31,320 --> 01:52:34,519
Speaker 4: You mentioned three times in that email of the word fine.

2522
01:52:35,920 --> 01:52:39,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, finet more than fine, A three, he's fine.

2523
01:52:39,479 --> 01:52:41,160
Speaker 7: I mean, how much of the the of this though,

2524
01:52:41,280 --> 01:52:43,200
Speaker 7: is just I mean, for me, it's it's just the

2525
01:52:43,240 --> 01:52:45,439
Speaker 7: pushback of him being a top five pick and in

2526
01:52:45,479 --> 01:52:47,799
Speaker 7: consideration of three, like, I don't really have a problem

2527
01:52:47,880 --> 01:52:50,439
Speaker 7: with him if he was you know, late first early date,

2528
01:52:50,520 --> 01:52:52,120
Speaker 7: you know, early day two kind of pick, like I

2529
01:52:52,160 --> 01:52:54,160
Speaker 7: wouldn't be opposed to him. I just think what makes

2530
01:52:54,240 --> 01:52:56,280
Speaker 7: me kind of push back as drafting somebody with this

2531
01:52:56,479 --> 01:52:58,639
Speaker 7: much unknown at third overall, when you need a star

2532
01:52:58,720 --> 01:53:01,160
Speaker 7: and there are stars there at a variety positions.

2533
01:53:01,200 --> 01:53:03,519
Speaker 3: I have an Andy hardism for like the whole Michigan

2534
01:53:03,600 --> 01:53:07,520
Speaker 3: over the hump thing too, Like was he the quarterback

2535
01:53:08,280 --> 01:53:10,519
Speaker 3: that got you over the hump or was he the

2536
01:53:10,600 --> 01:53:13,519
Speaker 3: quarterback when you got over the hump? Because I don't

2537
01:53:13,520 --> 01:53:17,280
Speaker 3: think those two things are the same. Cad McNamara beat

2538
01:53:17,280 --> 01:53:22,280
Speaker 3: Ohio State, broke that long streak because Harbaugh was gonna

2539
01:53:22,280 --> 01:53:25,080
Speaker 3: get fired because he couldn't beat Ohio State. And then

2540
01:53:25,160 --> 01:53:26,840
Speaker 3: Kid McNamara is the one that snapped that.

2541
01:53:27,000 --> 01:53:29,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, didn't all the other transgressions have something to do

2542
01:53:29,320 --> 01:53:29,720
Speaker 2: with it too?

2543
01:53:30,040 --> 01:53:32,560
Speaker 3: No, he wasn't going to get fired because of the transgressions.

2544
01:53:32,640 --> 01:53:35,040
Speaker 2: You don't think that, like if he was losing in college,

2545
01:53:36,439 --> 01:53:38,639
Speaker 2: if he lost and had those transgressions, Now.

2546
01:53:38,640 --> 01:53:42,559
Speaker 3: In college, they encouraged that. But no, the email was right.

2547
01:53:42,800 --> 01:53:45,960
Speaker 3: Harbaugh's job was sort of kind of tenuous there, maybe

2548
01:53:46,080 --> 01:53:51,000
Speaker 3: four years ago three four years ago. But I just

2549
01:53:51,120 --> 01:53:53,680
Speaker 3: have a hard time saying JJ McCarthy got them over

2550
01:53:53,720 --> 01:53:57,040
Speaker 3: the hump as opposed to he happened to be the

2551
01:53:57,120 --> 01:53:58,120
Speaker 3: quarterback when they get over.

2552
01:53:58,560 --> 01:53:59,439
Speaker 4: But he's a winner, Paul.

2553
01:54:00,360 --> 01:54:03,880
Speaker 6: There's something that said, if you want to win, not

2554
01:54:04,000 --> 01:54:05,080
Speaker 6: drinking or nothing, you know, like.

2555
01:54:06,680 --> 01:54:08,920
Speaker 3: This is an extreme I admitted this is like kind

2556
01:54:08,960 --> 01:54:12,439
Speaker 3: of an Andy Hart like example, who's the who's the

2557
01:54:12,520 --> 01:54:17,360
Speaker 3: biggest winner in the history of college football? Tibo Tim Tebow?

2558
01:54:17,880 --> 01:54:20,000
Speaker 3: You want him a quarterback?

2559
01:54:20,080 --> 01:54:21,479
Speaker 2: He gonna say, Jim Thorpe.

2560
01:54:21,520 --> 01:54:26,479
Speaker 3: He's the ultimate winner, like ultimate leader, ultimate guy who

2561
01:54:26,720 --> 01:54:30,760
Speaker 3: dragged teams across the finish line. Nobody won jump like

2562
01:54:31,000 --> 01:54:34,400
Speaker 3: Tim Tebow. Answer, I'm going to I'm gonna be all

2563
01:54:34,480 --> 01:54:37,440
Speaker 3: bloody at the end of the game and everybody's gone,

2564
01:54:39,160 --> 01:54:43,800
Speaker 3: couldn't play. I feel like ultimate winner. I ultimate winner.

2565
01:54:43,840 --> 01:54:49,160
Speaker 4: Have a tough time equating winning in college to the

2566
01:54:49,280 --> 01:54:52,240
Speaker 4: quarterback because the teams that win the national championship in

2567
01:54:52,320 --> 01:54:53,680
Speaker 4: college are loaded.

2568
01:54:53,720 --> 01:54:55,000
Speaker 3: They're generally the best team.

2569
01:54:55,040 --> 01:54:57,839
Speaker 4: On both sides of the ball, right, And Michigan's defense

2570
01:54:58,360 --> 01:55:02,720
Speaker 4: was unreal, you know, and so it just I don't

2571
01:55:02,720 --> 01:55:05,560
Speaker 4: think that it's like Brady leading the Patriots to a

2572
01:55:05,600 --> 01:55:08,920
Speaker 4: super Bowl or Mahomes leading the Chiefs to a super Bowl,

2573
01:55:09,000 --> 01:55:11,760
Speaker 4: because the talent gap is so much wider in college

2574
01:55:11,800 --> 01:55:13,200
Speaker 4: football than it is in the pros.

2575
01:55:15,120 --> 01:55:17,640
Speaker 2: Sam in North Carolina, have you guys seen this rumor

2576
01:55:18,080 --> 01:55:21,360
Speaker 2: going around that Jaden Daniel's visit to the Commanders didn't

2577
01:55:21,400 --> 01:55:23,680
Speaker 2: go well and he expects to be a Patriot. What

2578
01:55:23,760 --> 01:55:24,520
Speaker 2: do you think about this?

2579
01:55:25,120 --> 01:55:27,160
Speaker 3: I did see that, but I don't know what it means.

2580
01:55:27,280 --> 01:55:29,360
Speaker 7: Well, he like retweeted it then and then and now

2581
01:55:29,400 --> 01:55:31,600
Speaker 7: it's like somebody's saying he hadn't even visited the Commandity.

2582
01:55:31,640 --> 01:55:33,560
Speaker 7: I don't know, it's just someone else puts something.

2583
01:55:33,600 --> 01:55:36,040
Speaker 3: There's like he's trying to avoid getting no.

2584
01:55:36,360 --> 01:55:37,240
Speaker 6: I think this is just.

2585
01:55:37,440 --> 01:55:40,480
Speaker 7: Draft idiocy, and you know, and on Twitter with this,

2586
01:55:40,760 --> 01:55:42,200
Speaker 7: I think it was like somebody put like m L

2587
01:55:42,280 --> 01:55:44,400
Speaker 7: football like it's one of the I don't know, but

2588
01:55:44,520 --> 01:55:46,400
Speaker 7: it was. You know, it was literally like covering every

2589
01:55:46,480 --> 01:55:48,680
Speaker 7: base like breaking news with a siren, like you know,

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01:55:48,840 --> 01:55:51,920
Speaker 7: every single scenarios as being pitched is like this is

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01:55:51,960 --> 01:55:53,960
Speaker 7: what's going to happen. So I just think we're in

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01:55:54,080 --> 01:55:55,960
Speaker 7: draft silly season and that you know, these are the

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01:55:56,040 --> 01:55:57,920
Speaker 7: kind of things that get drummed up for clicks and

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01:55:58,000 --> 01:55:58,720
Speaker 7: reads and attention.

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01:55:59,080 --> 01:56:03,080
Speaker 4: Yeah I do. There are such a different personalities though,

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01:56:03,440 --> 01:56:06,840
Speaker 4: Jaden Daniels and Drake May that if that's if one

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01:56:06,880 --> 01:56:08,400
Speaker 4: of them is more of your cup of tea. Like

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01:56:08,520 --> 01:56:11,560
Speaker 4: Drake May is this southern kid that's always got a

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01:56:11,600 --> 01:56:15,000
Speaker 4: smile on his face. Is pretty laid back, like, you know,

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01:56:15,640 --> 01:56:18,840
Speaker 4: happy go lucky kind of kid. Jadeen Daniels seems like

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01:56:18,920 --> 01:56:21,800
Speaker 4: he's been a star in the NFL for ten years already,

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01:56:22,000 --> 01:56:26,280
Speaker 4: you know, just the way it's LSU Heisman Trophy winner,

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01:56:26,640 --> 01:56:29,280
Speaker 4: a little bit older of a prospect too, so there's

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01:56:29,360 --> 01:56:33,920
Speaker 4: reasons for it. But Jaden Daniels is like he's he

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01:56:34,120 --> 01:56:34,880
Speaker 4: kind of knows he's it.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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01:56:35,640 --> 01:56:37,120
Speaker 3: There's a lot of these things that I think are

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01:56:37,200 --> 01:56:39,120
Speaker 3: kind of smoke screens. But I kind of wonder what's

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01:56:39,160 --> 01:56:41,280
Speaker 3: the end game for the smoke screen, Like who's trying

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01:56:41,320 --> 01:56:43,480
Speaker 3: to fool who and get someone to do what right?

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01:56:43,760 --> 01:56:47,480
Speaker 3: And I can't many threads, too many voices in my head?

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Speaker 2: Who benefits? Ben from BC. This will be our last email.

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01:56:52,480 --> 01:56:54,600
Speaker 2: Thank you for your in depth coverage analysis over the

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01:56:54,680 --> 01:56:56,400
Speaker 2: last few months. I'm looking forward to the draft so

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01:56:56,480 --> 01:56:59,200
Speaker 2: we can move on from the May versus Daniels discussion.

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01:56:59,440 --> 01:57:02,720
Speaker 2: That being I have to say, Tuesday show changed something

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01:57:02,760 --> 01:57:06,680
Speaker 2: for me. I used to weigh each of your opinions equally. However,

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01:57:07,320 --> 01:57:10,200
Speaker 2: Fred's take on the last season of Game of Thrones

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01:57:10,360 --> 01:57:12,640
Speaker 2: raised some red flags for me. Thank you, it was

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01:57:12,760 --> 01:57:15,800
Speaker 2: by far the worst possible storyline they could have selected,

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01:57:15,920 --> 01:57:18,960
Speaker 2: poorly written, and undermine what they had created over the

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01:57:19,040 --> 01:57:22,720
Speaker 2: previous seasons. Thank you Evan for having no time for

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01:57:22,840 --> 01:57:23,960
Speaker 2: that ridiculousness.

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01:57:24,200 --> 01:57:25,280
Speaker 4: No notes perfect.

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Speaker 7: So there, I'm still waiting for the books.

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Speaker 2: We'll end on that note, you and only you. All right,

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01:57:31,800 --> 01:57:35,280
Speaker 2: So is that it for this week? Anything I need

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01:57:35,360 --> 01:57:36,480
Speaker 2: to tell anybody about.

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Speaker 7: No, that's that's gonna be it. We're gonna do a

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01:57:38,960 --> 01:57:43,560
Speaker 7: little draft breakdown on the quarterbacks. So that'll be last

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01:57:43,600 --> 01:57:46,040
Speaker 7: episode produced. Episode be out next Wednesday. We'll do a

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01:57:46,080 --> 01:57:48,120
Speaker 7: last show on the twenty fourth, But otherwise I always

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01:57:48,120 --> 01:57:50,320
Speaker 7: think we're just closing in on the old draft.

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01:57:50,360 --> 01:57:52,879
Speaker 2: All right, We'll be back Tuesday. See you next Tuesday.

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