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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: For his agreement with his father E. Howard Hunt, Saint

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Speaker 1: John Hunt held onto that deathbed confession tape that he

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Speaker 1: had received in the mail from two thousand and four

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Speaker 1: until two thousand and seven and then released it to

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Speaker 1: great amount of controversy, mostly because I would think and

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Speaker 1: then you tell me different, Saint John. It went back

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Speaker 1: to a theory that had been somewhat dormant for a

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Speaker 1: long time, that LBJ was responsible for the death of JFK. Right,

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Speaker 1: that wasn't a very popular theory, you know, vice president

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Speaker 1: plotting for the demise of the president. But in reality,

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Speaker 1: there was several things that were It was like the

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Speaker 1: perfect storm. There were several things going on at the time.

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Speaker 1: Of one thing, he military industrial complex was extremely worried

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Speaker 1: about JFK because he was suggesting that that we give

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Speaker 1: information of extraterrestrial interaction and UFOs over to the Soviets

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Speaker 1: as long as they would be giving us their information

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Speaker 1: that they had any Another one was that JFK was

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Speaker 1: addicted to methamphetamine and receiving daily injections uh from his doctor. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, he was he was really jf He was

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Speaker 1: really going off the deep end on in a lot

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Speaker 1: of areas, and they just didn't think that if he

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Speaker 1: was elected for another few years that he was going

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Speaker 1: to be able to maintain his sanity because the Secret

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Speaker 1: Service it was having a hard time already keeping JFK

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Speaker 1: under control with all the girls he had, and of

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Speaker 1: course hyper sexuality is one of the things that meth

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Speaker 1: amphetamine affects you with he was he was really on

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Speaker 1: the deep end of things. And uh was geveral people

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Speaker 1: within the CIA, powerful people like Bill Harvey and uh

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Speaker 1: uh David Morales and people like that that were real,

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Speaker 1: real killers, and um, you know, it wasn't beyond them

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Speaker 1: to you know, in America's quote unquote best interest to

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Speaker 1: to remove the president. He didn't have LBJ doing. Of course.

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Speaker 1: LBJ was just you know, you own problems. He was

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Speaker 1: an instrumental in the death of many Texas legislators earlier on,

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Speaker 1: so he was no problem. So my father suggesting that

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Speaker 1: j I that LBJ was at the top of the

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Speaker 1: and and and gave it the green light, is is

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Speaker 1: really on track. And of course later on people like

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Speaker 1: Roger Stone and uh and others wrote books about Jiff

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Speaker 1: about the LBK involvement in the assassination. So it was

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Speaker 1: it was early on that my father's uggestion came out. Well,

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Speaker 1: I know he's a pal of yours, and at one

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Speaker 1: point I thought Roger Stone was very amusing. I have

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Speaker 1: less of of a positive opinion of him in other respects,

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Speaker 1: but um I so I'll leave that for the moment.

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Speaker 1: But I do want to say the other thing that they,

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Speaker 1: the Inner Circle knew was that JFK had been very

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Speaker 1: likely experimenting with drugs such as LSD with Mary Pinchot Meyer,

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Speaker 1: Cord Meyer's ex wife, and they had an affair. They

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Speaker 1: were having an ongoing sexual relationship that was also an

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Speaker 1: affair of the heart as well, and that he would

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Speaker 1: regularly go to her place. That I think is beyond debate,

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Speaker 1: I think at this point. And that it was her

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Speaker 1: diary which was sought by James Angleton of the CIA

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Speaker 1: after her assassination along the Towpath in Washington, that she

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Speaker 1: which was subsequently destroyed, but that diary was handed over

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Speaker 1: by Ben Bradley and his wife to the CIA, And

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Speaker 1: he said later on in life he regretted doing that,

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Speaker 1: and he wondered at the time whether he should have

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Speaker 1: been doing that, But it was like, you're doing what

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Speaker 1: he thought again, this was for the good of the country.

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Speaker 1: That there they were going to give up the diary

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Speaker 1: of Mary Pinchot Meyer to the CIA. If she's writing

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Speaker 1: about the president and his drug use. Yeah. The other thing, Mary,

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Speaker 1: he was his mind was really opened up, and he

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Speaker 1: I don't think she ever thought for one second that

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Speaker 1: interesting is your dad kind of makes reference to that

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Speaker 1: there was no love lost between cord Meyer and JFK.

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Speaker 1: So if LBJ was looking for an operative within the

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Speaker 1: that he even kind of tossed off handedly about about

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Speaker 1: Mary Pincho Meyer's death too. What else do you hear

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Speaker 1: of us may miss? Well. He goes through several names,

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Speaker 1: for example, Bill Harvey was in nineteen fifty nine, he

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Speaker 1: put together the false defector program for the CIA, and

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Speaker 1: Lee Harvey Oswald was one of these false defectors to

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Speaker 1: a relationship with that program. He also hated Bobby Kennedy

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Speaker 1: because Bobby Kennedy found out that during the height of

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Speaker 1: the Cuban missile crisis, Bill Harvey was still sending his

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Speaker 1: his guerrilla group over to Cuba to blow up sugarcane

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Speaker 1: to uh to Annaly, to Rome to be station sheep there. Well,

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Speaker 1: as soon as he got to Rome, he got together

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Speaker 1: found out who was in his French underground in Rome

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Speaker 1: he hated the Kennedy that just like my dad did.

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Speaker 1: And there's another name he mentioned that the Frank Sturge is. Well,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't say Sturgis by last name. I'm assuming when

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Speaker 1: he says Frank, he means Frank Sturgis his former p

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Speaker 1: I C in the CIA. Yeah, Frank was originally fighting

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Speaker 1: Um Frank I met Flankster just several times, and he

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Speaker 1: and such. But underneath the tin layer they were they

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Speaker 1: were stone cold killers. Yeah they were. Yeah. I hadn't

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Speaker 1: open up the phones for Saint John Hunt. This goes

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Speaker 1: that all this tape has been examined and historians have

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Speaker 1: you know if anybody who's come out and figured out

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Speaker 1: it's been you know, it's accurate, and it's it's you know,

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Speaker 1: fanancined me. And that's all been verified. Here we go,

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Speaker 1: let's play it again. This is the deathbed confession of

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Speaker 1: Cordbyer Junior to undertake a larger organization, or keeping it

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Speaker 1: little left to him in life. Ever since JFK had

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Speaker 1: After Dave Pelps I knew him pretty well at one

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Speaker 1: Cordmyer and laying me the doings at the doorstep of LBJ. He,

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Speaker 1: As a sidebar, Saint John Hunt, who do you think

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Speaker 1: has it ever occurred to you who was who was

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Speaker 1: responsible for the death of Mary Pinshall Meyer. Um, I've

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Speaker 1: So I think it was a standalone group within the

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