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Speaker 1: Welcome into the lounge. It's Steelers week. Okay, Carolina, that's stuck.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that was ages ago, that was years ago, decades ago.

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Speaker 1: may say, Yahdad, thirty six won't get hurt or break down,

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Speaker 1: and you know we still need that leadership. And you

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Speaker 1: may want to have flak who do prestructure Flack? I

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Speaker 1: think I just think that would be mind boggling to me.

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Speaker 1: So you may just say we're gonna go one more

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Speaker 1: year with Joe, even though we drafted his replacement, and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna pay him another twenty million and have him

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Speaker 1: count seven against the cap, and we'll try to sign

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Speaker 1: a couple of older free agents to replace Crabtree, you know,

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Speaker 1: and uh Car, but like top, your margins are slim.

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Speaker 1: You've got a really hit on those free agents in

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Speaker 1: that draft class. Yeah, way, Jason, thanks so much for

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Speaker 1: coming on and having this discussion. It's kind of it's

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Speaker 1: a it's an interesting psychological debate, you know, um in

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Speaker 1: terms of how you want to approach things. And it's sobering. Jason,

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Speaker 1: I'm a little bit depressed, But I just think I

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Speaker 1: don't think. I mean, I think you just have to

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Speaker 1: look at it different. They're so accustomed to the Ravens

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Speaker 1: being like having this, you know, great veteran leadership and

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Speaker 1: some of their best players being in their thirties, Weathers

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Speaker 1: when Ed was able to do through his thirties, and

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Speaker 1: what Ray was able to do through his thirties, and

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Speaker 1: the Steve Smith's and all those guys coming in. It's

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Speaker 1: very difficult, I think. I mean, if I was a

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Speaker 1: Ravens fan in a perverse way, I'd be excited about

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Speaker 1: it because let me just let me see it's done

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Speaker 1: a completely different way. Let's see it with the young,

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Speaker 1: cheap quarterback I mean, remember what it was like when

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Speaker 1: they had Joe Flacco and Ray Rice and they were

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Speaker 1: young and they weren't making any money yet. And you

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Speaker 1: can wheel and deal and you can do some things

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Speaker 1: a little bit differently. It doesn't have to be doesn't

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Speaker 1: have to be terrible, you know, but you have to

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Speaker 1: support Lamar a different way and probably spend money at

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Speaker 1: positions in ways that you just haven't really ever done

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Speaker 1: it before. But it doesn't mean it has to be bad,

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Speaker 1: and it doesn't mean it can't work. Well. Thank you, Jason,

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Speaker 1: We really appreciate it. Have a good afternoon. Thank you. Well.

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Speaker 1: Interesting stuff from Jason. Yeah, The thing that I kind

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Speaker 1: of gathered and talking with him there is what he's

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Speaker 1: making the jump to. If these guys aren't going to

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Speaker 1: be there anyway, and these eight guys or so that

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Speaker 1: he's mentioning say they're not going to be there at

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Speaker 1: the current salaries, So that's already going to happen. So

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Speaker 1: why don't you just jump start that process. Here's here's

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Speaker 1: what it all boils onto. Okay, the Ravens. We all

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Speaker 1: know with the drafting of Lamar right that the Ravens

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Speaker 1: could be on the cusp and not making the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: that you know the past three seasons that the Ravens

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Speaker 1: could be on the cusp of a roster turnover, right,

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Speaker 1: And so the debate is, is now the time? And

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Speaker 1: in a perfect world, if the trade deadline were two

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Speaker 1: weeks from now, after the Steelers, after the Bengals game,

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Speaker 1: then you would be like, you would have a much

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Speaker 1: better idea of where the Ravens I think are heading

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Speaker 1: this season, because I think we all agree these next

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Speaker 1: two games are going to tell us a lot about

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Speaker 1: this team. And the NFL purposely doesn't put the trade

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Speaker 1: deadline super late in the season because they don't want

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Speaker 1: teams that are clearly out of it to just ship

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Speaker 1: away all their players every sequel season. I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: a reason why it is where it is. I wish

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Speaker 1: they would be more fun um, but so that so

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Speaker 1: it all boils down to is do you think it's

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Speaker 1: worth taking another staying in it and taking another crack

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Speaker 1: in it this year that the Ravens and be a

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Speaker 1: special team, which I am not. I still think that

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Speaker 1: the Ravens are a team this year that's capable of

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Speaker 1: beating anyone. Yes, when you look at it on paper,

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Speaker 1: like Jason said, you know, you stacked against the Chiefs

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Speaker 1: and against some of these other teams. You're like, it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be tough. But no, I saw the Ravens going

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Speaker 1: to Pittsburgh and be the team that I think you

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Speaker 1: would probably put more checks in Pittsburgh's column necking and uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, so, I'm they had the Saints. They had

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Speaker 1: the Saints right there, right, they had the Saints, who

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Speaker 1: are one of the best teams they could easily they

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Speaker 1: were up in the fourth quarters, are top five team

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. I would argue, and I don't think

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Speaker 1: anybody would argue otherwise, right, And they had him on

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Speaker 1: the ropes, And so I'm I'm not at the point

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Speaker 1: even after I get it after the loss in Carolina,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of like negativity and store feelings right

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Speaker 1: now about this team and where it stands, and it

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Speaker 1: legitimately does, I think, make you question, all right, how

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Speaker 1: good are we? But I'm just not there yet. I'm

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Speaker 1: not at the point to where I'm ready to blow

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Speaker 1: it up. And like Jason said, I mean, it's not

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Speaker 1: it's not that you had to do the deals of

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Speaker 1: the deadline. Maybe you can still trade some of these

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Speaker 1: bigger contracts in March or whatever. Now that you know

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Speaker 1: you might not get a better off as going to

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Speaker 1: offer because teams aren't trying to load up and they're

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Speaker 1: not as desperate in March. Um, but you can still

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Speaker 1: free up a lot of money for a potential rebuild

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Speaker 1: if this does not go the right way, after you after,

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Speaker 1: after you see what this team's got, right, how many

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Speaker 1: teams would you put in the category every year of

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Speaker 1: they can clearly win it? Like based on his logic there,

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Speaker 1: you're really only talking like that. You would go through

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Speaker 1: it right now, big four or five teams, right right?

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Speaker 1: So so then are you going to say at all

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Speaker 1: other twenty eight other teams in the league, you're just

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Speaker 1: every single year and be looking to blow it up.

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Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not really there and I'm not of

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Speaker 1: that right, I'm not of that thinking. He right. He

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Speaker 1: his argument this like it's better to be really good

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Speaker 1: or really bad, right, like if you're in the middle,

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Speaker 1: you know, and I'm kind of in the get in

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Speaker 1: and let's see what what happens. Kind of meant yes,

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Speaker 1: because when you looked at the Ravens and when they

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Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl, that's not like they were not

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Speaker 1: viewed as the best team in the league going into

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Speaker 1: that season. Everyone thought that it were better if we

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Speaker 1: were having and we honestly, if we were having this

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Speaker 1: discussion at that point, I bet a lot of people

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Speaker 1: could have made made the argument of well, you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe it's time to move on from it, or they

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Speaker 1: were like a little bit differently, but but they were

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Speaker 1: that they were kind of a team at that point

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Speaker 1: that was sort of like, you know, you made the

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Speaker 1: playoffs and bunch, but you hadn't won it. You're kind

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Speaker 1: of on the cusp. Are you really going to be

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Speaker 1: able to get there? That was that was the narrative

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Speaker 1: around that team. Are you gonna be able to get

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Speaker 1: over the hump? Now? It's a different hup now that

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Speaker 1: the hump back then was basically get over the a

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Speaker 1: f C championship pupping and get into the Super super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Now the hump is get into the playoffs. So I

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Speaker 1: get that there's a difference there, But I think that

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Speaker 1: if you would have said you could have said the

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Speaker 1: same thing in two thousand and twelve. Are they going

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Speaker 1: to go on the road to Denver and win? Are

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Speaker 1: they going to go on the road and beat the Patriots.

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Speaker 1: Those things aren't gonna happen. So football is a fickle sport. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: sometimes the Browns beat time. Um, So I'm not sitting

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Speaker 1: here saying the Ravens are definitely going to be a

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Speaker 1: team that goes wins a super Bowl or anything like that,

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Speaker 1: you know, but I just don't where a two weeks

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Speaker 1: ago whatever, Yeah, maybe you have to go be the Steelers.

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Speaker 1: Then we'll be getting our super Bowl ticket spook again

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Speaker 1: for Atlanta reservation. I'll rebook my Airbnb and Atlanta. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And like I said to him, I'm just not on

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Speaker 1: board with the notion of trading Terrell sucks. Like, I

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Speaker 1: just don't think that would be a move that would

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Speaker 1: be received well internally. I don't think there'd be a

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Speaker 1: move that would be received well externally around the league.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think that what you you gain from

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Speaker 1: that is worth the backlash essentially, like you get a

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Speaker 1: third round pick, is that worth basically souring one of

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Speaker 1: your best players in franchise history that the end of

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Speaker 1: his tenure. Well, it's like we're still playing and said

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Speaker 1: you have to take if you're this is this whole

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Speaker 1: Seraia is taking the emotions out of it. It's a

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Speaker 1: very it would be a very callous move. Yeah, very

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Speaker 1: but yeah, that would be a tough one. Anyway, this this,

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Speaker 1: like I said, this whole thing is depressed. See listen.

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Speaker 1: How about how about this, how about a different conversation.

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Speaker 1: Let's go get a big against the Steelers and we

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Speaker 1: won't even be talking about board, right, and then get

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Speaker 1: a bigger win. I guess the Bengals all right, and

588
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Speaker 1: then the Ravens are sitting there at six and four

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Speaker 1: atop of the division looking pretty dark. Good, we look

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Speaker 1: I like the idea of that. Where is my glass

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Speaker 1: of purple cool? If maybe got chugging? Um? Well, that's

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Speaker 1: it for us, Thanks guys for listening. You can email

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Speaker 1: us with the lounge at ravenst NFL dot net and

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Speaker 1: we will be back with you guys next week