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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Metal Ground Podcast.

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Speaker 2: You'll play.

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Speaker 3: And exclusive interviews with some of your favorite wrestlers.

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Speaker 2: Stop it.

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Speaker 4: One time, you guys.

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Speaker 5: Welcome back into iHeart Radio is official wrestling podcast, The

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Speaker 5: Battleground Podcast. Man, it is an exciting time to be

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Speaker 5: a TNA fan. It is an exciting time for just

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Speaker 5: TNA in general. On the show today with us two

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Speaker 5: guys who have been just completely crushing TNA and putting

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Speaker 5: TNA on their back, give it up for Moose and

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Speaker 5: AJ Francis Joints.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you know what it is. I forgot to

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Speaker 2: put my hat on because I hate that the guys

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Speaker 2: on the left hand slide is ball headed with a beard.

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Speaker 6: Actually wow, yeah, we're the ball crew today.

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Speaker 5: We'll split everything up, so it's kind of like bald

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Speaker 5: hat at bald No.

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Speaker 2: Your hand offs, so you take yours off too, because

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Speaker 2: I know you're bald underneath there. Oh no, there.

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Speaker 3: Years ago I got here, you should have took the over.

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Speaker 4: Let's let's just jump right into this real quick.

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Speaker 5: T N A is on fire and a J I

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Speaker 5: got a question for you because everybody's talking about it.

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Speaker 4: That latter spot.

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Speaker 5: At Slammiversary looked absolutely brutal. Of course, the Internet had

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Speaker 5: something to say. You weren't having it. You clap back

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Speaker 5: at the Internet. But let me ask what was going

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Speaker 5: through your mind as that was happening, other than oh, ship,

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Speaker 5: so I can give.

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Speaker 3: You a play breakdown. I actually haven't done this on

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Speaker 3: anybody show. So what actually rea was Casey was legitimately

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Speaker 3: hurt and is legitimately hurt and uh so at that

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Speaker 3: spot in the back they were telling case telling the

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Speaker 3: rest and who eventually told Myron don't let Macy.

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Speaker 1: Take the bull. And while I work climbing the ladder,

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Speaker 1: and am I allowed to cuss on this or no?

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Speaker 4: Yeah you can guss, so canc.

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Speaker 1: As we're climbing the ladder, I'm hearing Myron tell k

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Speaker 1: c Yo, they don't want you to take the buck,

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Speaker 1: they don't want you to take the buk, and k

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Speaker 1: Cy says and I quote, just push the fucking ladder.

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Speaker 2: Bro So.

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Speaker 3: But as this conversation's going on, I'm watching them, and

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Speaker 3: I'm not paying attention to the fact that one of

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Speaker 3: my feet is now on the run.

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Speaker 1: It needs to be.

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Speaker 3: So when the ladder's being pushed, I realized, oh shit,

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Speaker 3: this ladder I'm gonna trick on this rope if I

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Speaker 3: don't jump over it. So I jumped over it and

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Speaker 3: at that point I'm just trying not to die.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh, I end up landing.

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Speaker 3: I literally actually land on my feet, but you rolled

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Speaker 3: through with it on the ladder. But it's the gnarliest

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Speaker 3: bump ever. And it's crazy because I've gotten so much.

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Speaker 3: People have talked about it for so much, and it's

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Speaker 3: like I add so much to an already great match

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Speaker 3: to take that bump, especially after the Moons, and I

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Speaker 1: But like then, like everyone's like, aj, are you okay?

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Speaker 1: Are you okay? Are you okay? Are you okay? And

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Speaker 1: I'm perfectly fine, but case's actually hurt, you know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. So, but everyone's asking me if I'm okay.

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Speaker 1: So that's why it's crazy to do.

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Speaker 6: When you take those big bumps for the big matches

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Speaker 6: like that, Do you does it instantly? Like are you

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Speaker 6: thinking like okay, well what can I do next? Or

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Speaker 6: you are you thinking what you just said? Like I'm

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Speaker 6: glad I didn't die, you know, like what are you

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Speaker 6: thinking of?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 3: Luck, I knew that was my last spot, right, so

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Speaker 3: I didn't have to do anything after that.

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Speaker 2: Anyone.

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Speaker 3: I knew that, so I took once I took the bump,

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Speaker 3: you know, you land here like okay, I'm all right,

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Speaker 3: And as I realized, I'm like, yo, my feet went

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Speaker 3: right through the ladder.

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Speaker 1: This is crazy. I bet this looks nuts.

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Speaker 3: So then I, as I'm selling, get into positions so

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Speaker 3: I can see the jumbo tron, and I look up

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Speaker 3: at the Jumbo Tron and they do the replay.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, everyone thinks I'm dead. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: like this is awesome. Everyone thinks I'm dead. I'm perfectly fine.

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Speaker 1: So then now I just crawl over to see and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, you good.

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Speaker 6: He's like, nah, bro, yeah, man, that's insane.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: So we recently saw on Twitter you kind of gave

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Speaker 6: a you know, shout out if you want to call

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Speaker 6: it to Shatzi Ora Mensa and Dakota Kaya is having

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Speaker 6: a standing invite to first class? Are there any plans

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Speaker 6: to officially bring them in? And then who's the most

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Speaker 1: Oh man, that's a good that's a good question.

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Speaker 3: If I was going to, you know, tonight, there's a

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: Obviously the first person I would probably be rich Swan

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Speaker 3: because he helped build First Class with me from the beginning.

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Speaker 1: The second call.

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Speaker 3: Actually wouldn't be even from that list that I said.

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Speaker 3: It would probably be to a Chante diadonas aka to

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Speaker 3: Houdie Miles, my old tag team partner in WWE. But uh,

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Speaker 3: you know, like I said, if you want to be

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Speaker 3: the biggest heels on TNA, if you want to be

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Speaker 3: the biggest heel in the business, join first Class. I mean,

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Speaker 3: that's all. Everyone loves Case until he stands next to me.

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Speaker 3: Everyone loves Rich Swan until he stands next to me.

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Speaker 1: So you know all you got news. If you want

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Speaker 1: to be hated, please come over the first Class.

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Speaker 5: You know one really cool thing that there's been a

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Speaker 5: lot of buzz around TNA right now, big growth push,

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Speaker 5: possible TV deal on the horizon. You got this partnership

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Speaker 5: with WWE. Moose, I gotta know from you, how do

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Speaker 5: you see your role in t and A's new era

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Speaker 5: as it is gaining even more serious momentum.

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Speaker 2: That's great, man, Like you guys are clown on me

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Speaker 2: earlier because I've been in TNA forever, so I was

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Speaker 2: in TNA when it wasn't so great. I remember the

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Speaker 2: days where we were happy when we got five hundred

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Speaker 2: people at the show, right to now where we get

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Speaker 2: seven eight thousand people to the show. So thanks to WWE,

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Speaker 2: thanks to the amazing guys and girls we have in

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Speaker 2: a roster, thanks to the new management. I wish I

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Speaker 2: could I could count on one thing on why TONDA

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Speaker 2: a bunch of different things, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: I think we were hitting in all cylinders right now,

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Speaker 2: and I can't wait to see what the future holds.

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Speaker 2: And I mean I know i'ven't seeing other rooms about

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Speaker 2: the new TV deal and they don't tell us anything,

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Speaker 2: so we probably won't find out. We probably won't find

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Speaker 2: out until oh, you guys find out what it's exciting.

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Speaker 2: And I hope the rumors i'm here, I'm seeing on

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Speaker 2: social media it's true. But we'll find out soon soon enough.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, well, we're as TNA fans, we're definitely excited

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Speaker 5: to see what's going to happen in the future holds.

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Speaker 5: And speaking of TNA fans, we recently had Carlos Silva

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Speaker 5: and we talked to him about some things.

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Speaker 4: And let's just talk facts for a second, Moose.

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Speaker 5: Everyone who has been in TNA that has faced Trick

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Speaker 5: Williams has failed to get that title back to TNA.

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Speaker 1: Why are you?

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Speaker 5: Why are you the one who's finally going to break

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Speaker 5: that streak?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Because I mean when you think of those letters TNA,

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Speaker 2: the first name that most people think about in this

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Speaker 2: generation is me, right. I mean, I know back in

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Speaker 2: AJ Francis favorite wrestler, AJ Styles. But I think in

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Speaker 2: the new generation of TNA, my name is anonymous at TNA.

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Speaker 2: So know Trick Trick James Tricky Williams. I know he

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Speaker 2: calls himself tricking a but a good friend of mine

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Speaker 2: once told me that to be you don't need to

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Speaker 2: hold a title to be the face of the face

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Speaker 2: of a company. And like I said, once you think

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Speaker 2: come up his mind. So I think I proved that

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Speaker 2: I've done just about everything in TNA. And when I

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Speaker 2: face Trick for that title, You're gonna soon be calling

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Speaker 2: me the full time TNA World Champion.

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Speaker 4: And does AJ get a title shot after you beat Trick,

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Speaker 4: So I.

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Speaker 1: Don't wonder because here's my question. First of all, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean, but that's his boys a while, So why wouldn't

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Speaker 2: you want to Why wouldn't you want a title shot?

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Speaker 2: That his boy?

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Speaker 1: What you mean if you beat up my little brother,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna come beat you up. That's how it works.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I thought you were saying. I thought you were saying,

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Speaker 2: if Trick beats me?

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Speaker 5: What if you beat Trick, does AJ get a title

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Speaker 5: shot after that?

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Speaker 2: Hey? Hey, once I whooped that Trick, anybody could come

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Speaker 2: come after this title?

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Speaker 1: I mean everybody.

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Speaker 2: Man, No, I'll put them hands on you, bro. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I mean, we got we got the we got the

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Speaker 2: NFL thing going on. It is all love and that

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Speaker 2: especially coming from my title, full time team, a world champion, Oh,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to put them hands on you, bro.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to put them hands on you.

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Speaker 1: Say.

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Speaker 3: The real reason Trick is the TNA World Champion right

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Speaker 3: now is because y'all only gave me one title shot. Ever,

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Speaker 3: if I would have got more than one shot, everybody

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Speaker 3: got all these shots, I'll get one shot.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Hey, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Hey, every time I've been giving a shot. You can

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Speaker 2: look in my career, every time I've been given a shot,

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Speaker 2: I've always made a count everything time.

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Speaker 1: So that's why I don't be few and far between.

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Speaker 2: Hey, every time, Hey, I don't miss. What's the guy

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Speaker 2: that says that he don't miss? That's me? I don't

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Speaker 2: I don't miss. You give me a shot. I'm gonna bank.

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Speaker 2: I'm a banker. I mean, that's that's why I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: be full time team a world champion. And I mean,

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Speaker 2: is there anybody in the company right now that's hell

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Speaker 2: the title as many times as I am, I don't

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Speaker 1: I have four title matches.

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Speaker 2: So so one of my one of my goals is

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Speaker 2: to to break that record of being holding the title

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Speaker 2: the most. I don't know who has a record right now.

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Speaker 2: I'm guessing Jeff kertt I the Jeff or staying one

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Speaker 2: of them. They might be tied. So I'm only two away.

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Speaker 2: So after next weekend, I'll be a full time team

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Speaker 2: a world champion and we'll go from there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think so.

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Speaker 2: You know what? You know what you know because it's Actually,

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Speaker 2: it's actually weird that I'm saying I want to break

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Speaker 2: that record, But that means I also want to lose

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Speaker 2: the titles so I could win it back. That's this

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Speaker 2: is That's basically what I'm saying, right, I want to win.

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Speaker 2: I want to beat trick for it's actually lose it.

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Speaker 2: If I can beat somebody else for it, that I

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Speaker 2: could break this record, you know what. I'm hey, But

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Speaker 3: You know, I feel personally that I have been underutilized

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Speaker 1: Love that, but that's a business thing that we gotta

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Speaker 3: As long as Moss has been in TNA. You know

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Speaker 5: Right so absolutely, and you know, you know, we AJ

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Speaker 1: I couldn't give one shot.

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Speaker 1: So like, I don't think we ever had a doll

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Speaker 1: This just didn't know.

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Speaker 3: I've never had any doubts, even through the trials and

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Speaker 1: I'm back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what about you. It's one of those things that

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Speaker 2: have bad days, everybody's gonna have bad days, you know

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Speaker 5: Just kept going, Yeah, absolutely, Well, I know, I know

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Speaker 2: Yeah, make sure you get your tickets if you're in

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Speaker 2: the Baltimore DMV Virginia area. Friday to fifteenth and Saturday

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Speaker 2: the sixteenth, we have a live pl E emergence. It

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Speaker 2: will be the main event, would be me versus Trick Williams.

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Speaker 2: Why I have a chance of being a full time

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Speaker 2: We're gonna see if he trust the system. Uh and yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: So get your tickets. We have a lot of great

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Speaker 2: make sure you get your ticket to see some total

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Speaker 2: NonStop action.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely make sure you get out there to watch First

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Speaker 3: Class and the greatest AJ in TNA history, A J.

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