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Speaker 1: not saying I'm David Copperfield, but I am pulling some

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Speaker 1: tricks out lately. Sam Darnold as predicted, going to the

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Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers. They give up some draft picks, a couple

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Speaker 1: of key draft picks next year. Second and fourth, this

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Speaker 1: is Joe Brady, who was the offensive coordinator that turned

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Speaker 1: around LSU football and got a national title with Burrow,

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Speaker 1: is the coordinator here. NFLX experience with the Saints to

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Speaker 1: LSU now to Carolina. Matt rule, smart situationally last year,

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Speaker 1: sharp guy, very deep pocketed owner, and they've got some

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Speaker 1: playmakers on offense. That is not the issue. So let's

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Speaker 1: bring in Joe person eight years the Charlotte Observer. Now

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Speaker 1: he's at the athletic covering the Panthers and he joins us.

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Speaker 1: First of all, Joe, this feels like a significant upgrade

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Speaker 1: for Sam Darnold. Whereas the Panther's offensive line isn't dominant,

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Speaker 1: there are some nice pieces. Robbie Anderson is a burner

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Speaker 1: that Sam's worked for, Christian McCaffrey's a star, and Joe

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Speaker 1: Brady and Matt Rule seem more than competent on the

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Speaker 1: offensive side, calling and designing plays. So, from your perspective

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Speaker 1: covering the Panthers, does Darnold seem like something you need?

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Speaker 1: You know? I think it's I think it's a risk

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Speaker 1: worth taking. I mean that this does feel like an

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Speaker 1: organization that's been spinning his wheels at the quarterback position.

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Speaker 1: And you know that they made the decision that they

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Speaker 1: wanted to move on from Cam Newton. They thought that

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Speaker 1: the health was a big concern, and I think Matt

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Speaker 1: Rule wanted a fresh start, a fresh quarterback, So they

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Speaker 1: go with Teddy Bridgewater. Probably paid Teddy Bridgewater too much

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Speaker 1: money for a guy that was looking in New Orleans

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Speaker 1: like a good competent backup quarterback. Yes, but but it

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Speaker 1: didn't work out, I mean, and so what are you

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Speaker 1: going to do? They tried to go down a number

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Speaker 1: of other quarterback roads. They lost out on Matthew Stafford

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Speaker 1: into Shaun Watson, and then that legal situation closed that

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Speaker 1: door on them. And think in Darnald Scott Fitter or

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Speaker 1: the new GM in Charlotte saw a guy that he

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Speaker 1: thought was at least better than the guys in this

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Speaker 1: draft not named Trevor Lawrence at Zach Wilson. And rather

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Speaker 1: than rather than take a chance on a guy in

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Speaker 1: let's say Trede Lance that maybe they didn't that they

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Speaker 1: thought might work, they're gonna take a guy. They take

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Speaker 1: Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't, but it's kind of

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Speaker 1: more of a rental than, you know, a five year

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Speaker 1: rookie deal. So let's start with the offensive line, which

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Speaker 1: was egregiously bad with the Jet still in rebuild mode.

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Speaker 1: You guys are decent at center and grade fairly high

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Speaker 1: at right tackle. Overall, what's the weakness of the unit

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Speaker 1: that will protect Sam Darnold and the strength in your opinion,

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Speaker 1: the weakness is left tackle. And what's interesting in a

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Speaker 1: acquiring Darnell, they now can go out with that number

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Speaker 1: eight pick and see if Penney Seul is there perhaps

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Speaker 1: look at Rashawn Slater from Northwestern like that is a

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Speaker 1: they go get a left tackle at eight because you know,

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Speaker 1: they picked up Cam Irving in free agency, kind of

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Speaker 1: just a guy. They've got, you know, some some some

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Speaker 1: dudes on the roster, but they really they are lacking

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Speaker 1: there where they're good up front. You mentioned it. I

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Speaker 1: mean Taylor Moten, they committed a you know with the

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Speaker 1: franchise tag fourteen million bucks to him. Yeah, very good player.

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Speaker 1: Matt Pardis at center has been pretty solid and guards

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Speaker 1: he's focused. And sla Or, who matched up well with

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Speaker 1: Chase Young, can go in or out. Um, So it's

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Speaker 1: not it's not a it's not a porous offensive line.

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Speaker 1: It's just not dominating. Is that fair? I think that's

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Speaker 1: absolutely fair. I mean there their their guard play last

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Speaker 1: got right by Anderson and Dj Moore. The tight ends, Okay,

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Speaker 1: they did pick up Dan Arnold and free agency, who

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Speaker 1: he's tall, jumps pretty well. Solomon Arizona not a dominating guy.

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Speaker 1: best thing. Joe. It's interesting because last year they went

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Speaker 1: I don't want to put pressure, Joe on you, But

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Speaker 1: if I said second, third and fourth, would they get

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Speaker 1: I just think they're the thing that Scott Fitterer said

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Speaker 1: them to go player at eight. And I think that'll

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Speaker 1: be offensive tackle, but heck it could be someone like

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Speaker 1: What did you learn, Joe about Matt Rule, his style?

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Speaker 1: What is Darnold walking into You only have a year,

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Speaker 1: What did you like? What as a college coach coming

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Speaker 1: weird because of COVID and right, but they're they're having

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Speaker 1: basically an interest squad scrimmage in Bank of America's state,

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Speaker 1: felt like a spring game type thing. But he's doing that,

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Speaker 1: think you will be. Joe Brady is a coordinator now.

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Speaker 1: Darnold's athletic. Um. He really is much like the USC quarterback.

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Speaker 1: He is a playmaker. He's gonna throw about one awful

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Speaker 1: Uh No, no arrogance. He's really a guy's guy. What

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Speaker 1: I watch a lot of that. Joe like Darnold can move.

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Speaker 1: Actually Darnold's younger than Burrow, but I but I know

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Speaker 1: he will occasionally move the pocket. What did you learn

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Speaker 1: from Joe Brady as coordinator? Well, I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: I think three different times he mentioned pushing the ball

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Speaker 1: But um, but you know they are they Scotts Fitter sounded,

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Speaker 1: Notice we'll be all over your stuff. I'm a Sam

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