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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio. So at various times in nineteen sixty six

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Speaker 1: and nineteen sixty seven, UM, the sightings continued of a

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Speaker 1: of a mothman like creature, a humanoid like alien visitor

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Speaker 1: um um to what is commonly described as Point Pleasant,

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Speaker 1: West Virginia. But as Susan Shepherd was saying, it was

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Speaker 1: really a much wider area than that, including Parkersburg. But

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Speaker 1: let me so you were as you were telling the story, UM,

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Speaker 1: the guy who you had, you had a chance to

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Speaker 1: interview the tapes you had, um, I mean he he

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Speaker 1: recounts something which I remember I thought pretty vividly, um

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Speaker 1: in the movie Mothman Prophecies, which I really enjoyed as

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Speaker 1: a movie. UM. Not caring whether or not it was

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Speaker 1: that close to the actual story, just I thought it

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Speaker 1: was well told. But that whole thing about the about

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Speaker 1: the interference and the white noise on television, and the

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Speaker 1: fact that that guy became sort of so paranoid he

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Speaker 1: started walking around with a shotgun. That part turns out

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Speaker 1: to be true, then, yes, But that is not Merl Partridge.

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Speaker 1: That would be Woodrow Dernburger and that has to do

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Speaker 1: with the appearance of Indrid Cold, and the appearance of

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Speaker 1: Intercold happened on November second, nineteen sixty six, one mile

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Speaker 1: south of Parkersburg. Intercold really, in his description, Woodrow Durnburger's

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Speaker 1: description actually sounded pretty much to me like a man

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Speaker 1: in black. And there were sightings of men in black,

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Speaker 1: you know, all over West Virginia that time. And I

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Speaker 1: even have a sighting as a child in nineteen sixty

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Speaker 1: seven above the hillside where I grew up, which was

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Speaker 1: about two hills away from the Partridge family. So you know,

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Speaker 1: but explain that to me when you say the men

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Speaker 1: in black, are you referring to the government investigators men

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Speaker 1: in black? Right? See? This is right, this is the

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Speaker 1: this is so. I just for people who commonly, you know,

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Speaker 1: they associate that Will Smith movie and men in black

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Speaker 1: from the comic book, as you know, disinformation specialists sent

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Speaker 1: in by the government, there's this whole other understanding of

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Speaker 1: what the men in black were. So you'll have to

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Speaker 1: explain that for people who don't know well. Men in

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Speaker 1: black um tend to turn up or they turned up

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Speaker 1: witnesses to witnesses who had either encounters with the Mothman

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Speaker 1: or who had encounters with UFOs so and they seemed

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Speaker 1: to be to me they were alien types of creatures.

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Speaker 1: They were not really human, even though they look human.

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Speaker 1: But they also would say they seem to be awkward

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Speaker 1: with you know, they drove late model black cars that

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Speaker 1: looked brand new, and they looked like cars in the

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Speaker 1: nineteen forties and fifties. And then they would begin to

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Speaker 1: kind of in a subtle way, they would begin to

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Speaker 1: threaten some of these witnesses not to tell their story.

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Speaker 1: We don't really know for sure what the Men in

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Speaker 1: Black were. We do know they you know, they're associated

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Speaker 1: with the UFO sightings and also sightings of the Mothman

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Speaker 1: at the time. I know that Woodrow Durnberger was visited

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Speaker 1: by the Men in Black. Now Merle Partridge, she never

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Speaker 1: told me if he was, so. I'm not sure whether

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Speaker 1: he had visits from the Men in Black either, But

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Speaker 1: it was about an hour later after the Partridge sighting

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Speaker 1: if you drive it. In Point Pleasant was when the

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Speaker 1: Scarberries had their sighting of the Mothman at the T

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Speaker 1: too they saw that the mothman was trying to outrace

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Speaker 1: their car, and of course this was extremely frightful, and

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Speaker 1: so big they hit the side doors of the car.

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Speaker 1: And Linda Scarberry and one of the witnesses, glanced over

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Speaker 1: and she described the eyes very similar to what merl Partridge.

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Speaker 1: She thought they were red electrical lights. When the billboard

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Speaker 1: the mothman perched on the billboard and the red electrical

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Speaker 1: lights were in fact his eyes. He flew off the billboard.

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Speaker 1: He began to chase them down the road. They drove

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Speaker 1: immediately to the point Pleasant police department. I believe it

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Speaker 1: was Roger Scarberry who made the famous drawing of the

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Speaker 1: Mothman and made report that drawing. If it's the same

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Speaker 1: what I'm thinking of, it's it's creepy in its um,

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Speaker 1: it didn't seem professional in the way in which we

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Speaker 1: But while they were driving down route to Linda Scarberry

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Speaker 1: And they remembered they had seen the dog for the

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Speaker 1: The barn had a mud floor, and they found the

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Speaker 1: And those pawprints did not lead away, as if that

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Speaker 1: And of course Bandit never came home. And it was

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Speaker 1: later when Merle Partridge was reading an article about the Mothman.

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Speaker 1: At that time, he did not have a name. In

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Speaker 1: newspaper reports, they were calling him the birdman, and he

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Speaker 1: story was somehow related to his experience an hour before,

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Speaker 1: on the same night. So that's just a little bit. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: how do we make the jump between birdman and mothman? Well,

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Speaker 1: comic book character, because other than that, he didn't have

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Speaker 1: some even reported the mothman was flesh colored. But then

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Speaker 1: later Linda Scarberry said when they went home that evening,

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Speaker 1: So most of these witnesses have died. So you have

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Speaker 1: are a great archive. So the Mothman prophecy, as the

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Speaker 1: the base if you remember the character Gordon Smallwood, then

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Speaker 1: I can't remember the actor's name. It was Will something. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: That was Woodrow Durhamburger, who was not a farmer. He

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Speaker 1: actually stopped by Andrew Cold on November second, nineteen sixty six,

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Speaker 1: which was twelve days before the first sighting of the Mothman,

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Speaker 1: and when John Keel was in Point Pleasant, he heard

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Speaker 1: So John Kiel saw some relationship between mister Durnberger's account

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Speaker 1: But then and then later, of course merl Partridge had

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Speaker 1: a very similar thing happened to him which has never

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Speaker 1: been published. He also saw a craft two you told me. Yes,

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Speaker 1: He was lying out on his deck, and like you said,

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Speaker 1: And the description of a charcoal gray craft is almost

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Speaker 1: exactly that Woodrow Durnberger described injured cold's ufo. Um that

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Speaker 1: had stopped him well November second, nineteen sixty six. And

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Speaker 1: And it almost it almost seems nonsensical rum you know.

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Speaker 1: But uh, but they whoever said who you know, those

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Speaker 1: And he was great in uh like uh no way

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Speaker 1: said they look like red electrical lights. Now, how would

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Speaker 1: because they reflect off of a trick light, they do

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Speaker 1: the Silver Bridge collapse had to do with Chief Cornstalk's curse,

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Speaker 1: Cornstock's curse. Now that's that's probably, you know, John on

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Speaker 1: Partridge family were blackfoots a pony, and Woodrow Durhamberger was

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Speaker 1: all these things. But yeah, yeah, but then the Silver

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Speaker 1: they tied that in because like almost fifty people were

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Speaker 1: sixty seven. Yes, it was a great tragedy, and they

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Speaker 1: but I really can't have I don't have anything to

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Speaker 1: add to that right now. I'm glad you're not trying

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Speaker 1: to create one either, because I think that's that was

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Speaker 1: the Mothman was trying to say stay off the bridge

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Speaker 1: It was like they either wanted a higher body counter

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Speaker 1: So did did Gordon's the character of Gordon Smallwood commits

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Speaker 1: He continued to have visitations from injured cold. I can

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Speaker 1: we've got two good minutes, A great way to end

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Speaker 1: this hour. Go ahead. Hey, Well, he was driving south

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Speaker 1: toward his farmhouse in Mineral Wells. He was a sewing

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Speaker 1: do not be a friend. I mean you no harm.

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Speaker 1: that is when mister Durhaburger became afraid because, as injured

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Speaker 1: the movie, no, that would have been better listen to

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