WEBVTT - Whisperings & ASMR 0:00:03.080 --> 0:00:06.000 Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind from how Stuff 0:00:06.000 --> 0:00:13.800 Works dot com. Hey you welcot the Stuff to Blow 0:00:13.800 --> 0:00:17.000 your Mind. My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Duglats. 0:00:17.720 --> 0:00:21.000 You sound very measured this morning. Julie. Well, I'm trying 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:25.640 out the smoothing it so it's a better whispering. And 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:34.240 I'm very interested in exploring the oral landscape. And Robert 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:36.720 that I mentioned to you that I'm also interested in 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:41.440 caring for your hair. Oh yes, yes, I do enjoy 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:45.040 a good haircut. Really I don't. I thought so. And 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:48.080 so what I'm going to do is I'm going to 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:52.760 brush your hair first, and I just want you to 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:57.600 close your eyes and enjoy the strokes of the brush 0:00:57.720 --> 0:01:01.920 through your hair. Okay, it doesn't feel good. Okay, this 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:06.679 is getting so creepy. Hey guys, it's us and we're 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:10.200 exploring something called a s m R. Yeah. And in 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:12.240 a way, this is an episode appears nicely with our 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:16.440 our tripophobia episode because in both cases we have something 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:20.760 that is kind of not really emerging from the Internet age, 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:24.280 but it's the Internet has allowed individuals who have a 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:27.280 certain reaction to a certain type of stimuli to allow 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:29.959 them to come together and start talking about and say, Hey, 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:32.560 what's what's going on here? Why does why does this 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:36.039 make me feel this way? Uh? And why doesn't everyone 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:38.559 else around me seem to be affected in the same way. 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:41.399 With triple phobia, it was about looking at clusters of 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:45.440 holes and feeling the sense of repulsion. But with a SMR, 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:48.680 which we're talking about today, it's about something far more pleasant, 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:52.840 far more mellow, but but equally perplexing. Yeah. It's called 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:56.640 autonomous sensory meridian response. And we'll talk a little bit 0:01:56.640 --> 0:02:00.800 more about what triggers it, but essentially what it is 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:04.520 is a pleasurable tingling that begins in the head and 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:07.840 scalp and then it shimmies down the spine and and 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:12.359 it reportedly relaxes the entire body when the person is 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:17.480 exposed to certain auditory cues. Yeah, in some cases, particularly 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:21.079 in headlines written by by male editors, I think you'll 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:23.480 see it compared to an orgasm, like it's an orgasm 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:26.080 in the brain, it's a brain gasm or whatever. But 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:29.160 I mean generally the descriptions you you hear, uh, it 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:33.480 is more of a mellow, comforting, relaxing sensation and less 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:37.640 um you know, psychedelic sexual mind explosion. Yeah, and a 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:39.760 lot of people will step in and say, hey, this 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:42.560 really is not a sexual thing. This is just this 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:47.120 um more than anything, this pleasurable, relaxing sense that you 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:50.880 get when you hear these triggers. So I wanted to 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:55.680 mention that most of these things, these cues are provided 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:59.600 by videos made by what are called a s m 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:03.760 AREST on YouTube, and it has a very intimate air 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:06.280 to them. And we'll talk more about that. And so 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:09.600 far a s m R isn't a medically or scientifically 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:14.840 recognized term, though studies are now beginning to be conducted, 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:19.080 and there's a ton of anecdotal information out there and 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:22.560 explanations abound. Yeah, it's entirely possible that by the time 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:24.360 you get around to listen to this episode, maybe one 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:27.240 of these studies will actually publish. Um. Well, we know 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:30.079 from from researching it that there's a guy at Dartmouth 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:32.920 College Bryson Launched, who did an f m R I 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:35.760 study on a SMR, which is one of the types 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:38.440 of studies that everyone's been clamoring for. Let's get one 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:41.839 of these brains inside the tube and actually see what's 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:44.360 going on in there. Um. But as of right now, 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:47.480 we don't have this kind of research to turn to. Alright, 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:51.040 So before we start explaining this really in earnest, let's 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:53.440 look at some of the terms, because I think these 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:56.840 terms will kind of tell you to what degree people 0:03:56.880 --> 0:04:00.600 are really bound up in a s m R. Yeah, 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:04.280 even a s m R. Even autonomous sensory meridian response. 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:07.240 This is this is not a set in stone a 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:11.160 bit of terminology. This itself emerges from individuals on the 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:13.760 Internet coming together and talking about it. You'll see it 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:17.320 at times. It's been referred to as attention induced euphoria. 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:20.159 You've seen it. We've seen it called attention induced head 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:24.359 orgasm uh or, as referred to by Andrew mcmurris on 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:26.320 his blog that he started back in two thousand and ten, 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:29.240 the unnamed feeling. Uh let's you give you an idea, 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:31.360 because at the at the time there was everyone's still 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:32.920 coming together and saying what is it? What what should 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:36.760 we call it? And uh So around two thousand and eleven, 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:40.800 you see autonomous sensory meridian response really coming to the 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:43.680 forefront as the as the main term and pretty much 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:47.919 cemented in place by Yeah. In fact, if you look 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:51.480 at the Google history on this. You'll see in two 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:53.640 thousand eleven it starts to make a bit of a 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:59.560 footprint UM, but two two fourteen it rockets as search term, 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:02.440 which I think gives you an idea of the kind 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:06.719 of UM following or the kind of communities that are 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:10.400 gathering around this. I guess you could say phenomenon. You know, 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:12.440 what's weird is UM. And I'll get into this more 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:15.400 as as we as we discussed that my wife has 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:19.800 a SMR and I've known her since the first Saw 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:24.160 movie came out, whatever year that was, I don't know, 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:26.640 but I I love that you are always like and 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:29.800 we got together when Saw came out. Yeah, that's that's 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:32.600 what brought us together. Yeah, well anyway for a number 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:34.840 of years. But we've known each other for about ten years, 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:38.640 and so a s MR was not the predominant term 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:41.080 until very recently. But I can't, for the life of 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:43.400 me remember what she called it, or that even had 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:46.360 a name, uh, you know, back when I first met her. 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:50.920 And so what is her trigger? Her trigger is definitely, uh, 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:54.400 the sound of a pencil on paper, but more specifically, 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:56.800 it's uh, she she's she's sitting in a room with 0:05:56.839 --> 0:06:00.719 someone who is drawing her with with soul and paper, 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:02.760 and she's so she's hearing the sound of it. She's 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:05.240 in the it's it's the you know, it's the sensation 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:08.760 of being drawn. I guess the attention, the intimacy of 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:12.200 that with the sounds, the soft sounds of the of 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:14.640 the drawing and you guys listening out there. I think 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:16.840 about that example in a moment because we're gonna talk 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:19.400 more about triggers, but that really hits on a lot 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:23.360 of the different factors that make this pleasurable for people. Um. 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:26.840 I wanted to mention that a couple other terms really 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:29.960 helped to frame this, or something called ascension when an 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:33.919 experience or levels up, and usually that means that the 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:38.440 control of a s MR has improved or that experiences 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:41.080 are much more intense. Again, these are people who are 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:45.159 seeking this out and really concentrating, even meditating on some 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:50.000 of these triggers. Now there's asthma or as marian person 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:55.080 who experiences I'm married you are married to That explains 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:57.919 a lot. Yep. And of course you already mentioned it brandgasm, 0:06:58.360 --> 0:07:03.800 which is that colloquial term for SMR. So triggers. Yes, 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:06.359 let's get to this. I was whispering at the beginning 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:10.440 of this, and I was taking the pages and making 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:14.960 this kind of noise um. And these are both big triggers. 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:19.080 But probably whispering is the I would say, like the 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:22.680 headliner of all the triggers. Yes, indeed, a whispering voice 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:26.520 and oftentimes, like the subject matter is not necessarily important. 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:30.440 But in many cases the the the voice will be 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:34.160 providing instruction of some kind or taking the listener on 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:37.360 sort of an imaginative journey, kind of a storyteller. You're 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:41.200 walking through the park, you're passing a dog, next sort 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:43.400 of thing. Yeah, it's really interesting, and I think about 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:45.720 it as levels and whispering is sort of like the 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:48.400 base doc to a s m R. And Bob Ross 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:51.360 think about him. He's a perfect example of someone and 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:54.720 someone who's quite fetishized, I would say, although some might 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:58.840 take issue with that terminology of fetishizing, but people seek 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:00.960 him out in order to you have a a s 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:04.800 MR experience. But now think about and I should I 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:07.080 should jump in if you're not familiar with who that is. 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:10.960 He's the PBS joy painting guy who talks about painting 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:14.000 pretty little trees and happy trees, little trees. That was it, 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:17.800 and so he was that he's perfect because soft suiting voice. 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:19.560 I'll be at a male voice and some people take 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:22.160 a shoe and say that a female voice is preferable. 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:25.720 But but he's also instructing me you, and he's taking 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:28.200 you on a journey. Yes, it was very meditative in 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:30.480 nature if you think about it that way. Now, imagine 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:33.319 if someone had long nails and they would tap them 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:37.680 on a hard service or um lovingly scraped them against 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:40.400 plastic or something like that. There's the crinkling of a 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:45.280 bag of chips um again, the shuffling of pages turning 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:49.400 in a book. And then the personal care aspect, the 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:52.440 role playing aspect that you already sort of called out here, 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:57.199 and that's when someone looks at the camera you're watching 0:08:57.200 --> 0:09:00.240 this video and they're looking at you the you are 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:03.559 and role playing with you some sort of self care 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:07.720 or some sort of uh nurturing thing that they're doing. 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:09.800 You could be pretending like you're at a spot, or 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:12.640 it could be an exam. And these I think are 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:15.840 amazing because it's sort of like the motherload of a 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:22.160 s MR. These these exam videos, especially the cranial exams, 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:26.600 because the cranial exam. I think it's like a real thing, right, 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:30.280 We're sensory cues would be introduced to you because you're there, 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:32.920 a doctor would be looking for neurological damage. But in 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:37.160 these role playing videos, they're just pretending like they're at 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:39.240 the doctor and they have different things, like they have 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:42.199 a feather that they're stroking the camera with and saying 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:45.480 do you feel this on your cheek? And that is 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:49.240 the motherload because it has the whispering, it has the crinkling, 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:53.320 it has the pen going up and down, the clicking 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:56.839 of the pen, the keyboard, um, all those different things, 0:09:57.000 --> 0:10:00.120 and it has the nurturing aspect to it. Yeah, it's 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:02.439 interesting to to to look around at some of the 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:04.440 videos out there because there's been a kind of an 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:07.720 evolution um of the art form. Because some of the 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:09.600 earlier stuff is just yeah, let's just watch some Bob 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:11.760 Ross or here someone's gonna talk to me, or someone's 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:15.160 gonna provide a fake haircut, fake ear exam kind of 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:19.080 situation in video form. But as the as the the 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:22.520 art form evolves, it's all about layering things and providing 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:25.920 multiple triggers because not everybody is going to be affected 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:29.679 by these same triggers, the person who who prefers the 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:33.720 whispering is not gonna go for the tapping or the scratching. Um. 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:36.680 You know, my wife, for instance, the the the the 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:40.000 sound of just a soothing voice does not affect her 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:43.439 in that way. Um, but it's it's it's just that 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:46.600 that drawing on the paper or someone someone sketching her 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:48.440 and uh. And I do want to point out that 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:50.440 when I ask her about it, I said, well, you know, 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:53.480 what exactly do you feel when this happens? And she said, 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:56.280 it's a it's a tingling in my scalp uh, a 0:10:56.360 --> 0:11:00.439 strong sense of relaction, and a strong but a short 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:04.520 lived feeling of just being really stoned. Um. Because I 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:06.760 asked her it was like a mild high, and she's, 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:09.200 I know, it's really intense high. It just doesn't last 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:11.200 very long, just falls off. Yeah. And I think that's 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:13.240 an important distinction to make, because I think all of 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:16.560 us can probably list off a bunch of different sounds 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:19.840 that are pleasurable too, you know, like I love paper 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:24.000 being kind of sorted around, but I don't get tingles, 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:30.520 and I don't have a sort of flash stone stoner response. Yeah. Likewise, 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:32.400 I mean I love I love a good white noise, 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:36.760 brown noise machine. I love ambient even some drone music, 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:39.200 you know, but but it doesn't have that kind of 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:41.199 effect on me. I mean we we both have listened 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:45.160 to the Headspace app, for instance, and hearing the soothing 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:49.360 voice of Andy pooticomb on that you know, very soothing voice, 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:51.839 and very can help get you in a meditative state. 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:55.280 But I don't feel high while it's taking place. No, 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:57.880 actually think that would be distracting because Headspace is actually 0:11:57.920 --> 0:12:01.240 a meditation app, so it would be kind of wonderful, 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:03.720 but perhaps distracting to the point of you're trying to 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:07.680 calm your brain down, uh not elicit um some sort 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:12.520 of overreaction. You need an alternate Headspace app where there's 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:15.760 just a drill sergeant. I guess, yeah, you you definitely 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:18.200 have to do that. Although Andy does have a really 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:21.040 nice whispery voice, you know, another voice that came to mind, 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:25.200 and again this is a from a non Asmirian, but 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:28.599 Timothy Leary, I feel I feel like his voice is 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:31.080 always I've always found that super soothing, and I did 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:34.760 looks like there's some a SMR stuff that does utilize 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:37.559 some of his spoken word album work in the sixties. 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:40.440 And I want to mention too that it's not just whispering. 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:45.320 A lot of these artists are. They're using space. We 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:48.240 talked about this in music, like if you use space 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:51.800 in unexpected ways, that your brain pays even more attention. 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:55.600 And so you like the ambient sounds of a room 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:59.240 or no, I mean like I'm thinking about Dr Dmitri, 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:06.880 who does one of them? Can you describe? Um? I 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:16.320 will try to be doctor Dmitri? Now what is your name? 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:19.439 So it's like, you know, he's not talking in the 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:22.880 sort of the pattern that we're used to write. And 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:24.880 so I think that is a part of it is 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:27.200 because and we've talked about this before, it's like it's 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:30.120 not like music, but there are some similarities in which 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:34.839 if your brain is grappling with those unpredicted spaces, and 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:39.200 those spaces resolve themselves like in a certain note, right, 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:43.880 um that you you get relief from that, or you 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:46.640 get a sort of pleasure from that. And now a 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:48.720 lot of as Marian's will say, this is not like 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:52.560 the musical chills, yes, that they make generally make a 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:56.080 strong point of that being significantly different. That is known 0:13:56.160 --> 0:14:02.600 as fregen is it French reim the spine tiggling sensation 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:04.240 of listening to music that you know a lot a 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:07.160 lot more people can can relate to. But in Asmara 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:09.360 will be quick to tell you no, that is separate. 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:11.000 That is not my thing. That may be your thing, 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:13.120 but that's not my thing. Yeah, And if you want 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:15.560 to know more about that, check out our episode on 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:17.880 does music hijack that brings? So we get a little 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:21.720 bit deeper into that. Now within as Marian community, there 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:27.359 are two types of as Marian's as reported by the community, 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:32.040 that's type A and type B. Type A is through 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:35.520 just sort of meditation or thinking about the thing, right, 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:38.280 So if you hear the auditory queue, that may just 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:42.400 be enough to trigger that sort of sensation, but type 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:46.600 bees need to actually experience the trigger. So for instance, 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:48.880 getting a haircut, that's why I was pretending to cut 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:53.600 your hair earlier, which was again super creepy um or 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:57.440 any sort of exam or close personal attention. So it's 0:14:57.480 --> 0:15:00.520 the difference again between imagining the haircut and happy the haircut. 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:02.560 If you're type A, you don't. All you have to 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:05.360 do is think about the trigger. The type you need 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:08.000 to trigger. Yeah. One of our producers, Paul, was telling 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:10.440 me that his trigger is when he is on an 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:14.640 airplane and they begin to describe all the safety precautions 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:17.760 that passengers must take in the oxygen coming down and 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:20.960 the exits and all of this, And he said, it's 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:23.360 not just the voice, but it's the actual, like taking 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:27.120 care to tell you how to protect yourself. It's a 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:29.840 kind of nurturing quality. We see that nurturing theme and 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:33.240 a lot of these it's like sometimes it's just merely instructional, 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:35.480 which can be a form of nurturing. Other times it's 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:40.200 actual physical care, a doctor and patient relationship, or a 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:44.400 parent and child relationship. I'm gonna groom your hair. I'm 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:47.840 gonna look after your your hygiene, your well being. And 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:49.960 that is a good point for us to actually take 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:52.320 a break, because when we get back, we're gonna delve 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:55.000 a little bit more into the A s MR artists, 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:58.920 but also the reasons the possible explanations for white people 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:10.800 experience this. Alright, we're back. We're still discussing autonomous sensory 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:15.880 meridian response or a s MR. The the domain of 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:18.960 the asmirians. I feel like they should it sounds like 0:16:18.960 --> 0:16:21.320 they should have their own planet. They should. Yeah, and 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:25.160 it's probably a indistinguishable from our own. It's the thing 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:27.760 because I was looking around at some of the videos. Uh, 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:31.160 there's a there's a reddit for as Mirian's where people 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:33.240 are just throwing up, you know, various videos and they 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:37.320 range from the like highly produced professional a s MR 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:42.000 video realm to stuff. Literally there's a video where someone 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:46.280 just has an audio and video recording of chefs at 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:49.920 five Guys Fries preparing to make French fries. So they 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:52.600 just send a little bit of ambient clanging and echo 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:56.280 and the opening of the potato bag and that that clip. 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:59.080 I looked at, the clip had the like ten thousand, 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:04.000 five hundred views. Well, okay, all right, so let me 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:07.760 tell you that Maria, who is known as Gentle Whispering 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:09.879 if you want to look at her on her YouTube channel, 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:14.640 she has something like forty plus million views of her videos. 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:18.000 Now granted she's up in the hundreds in her videos, 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:20.640 but still some of them will fetch up to eight 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:22.920 hundred thousand to a million views. I think there was 0:17:23.000 --> 0:17:26.000 one that was two million views. And she is she's 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:31.119 really sort of the czar of a s MR and 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:34.280 she's a Russian woman who moved to the US in 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:37.760 two thousand and six, and she had a lot of 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:39.840 she says, a lot of depression, a lot of anxiety, 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:45.080 and she began to actually seek out videos, not realizing 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:49.159 that the whispering stuff was actually helping her anxiety. And 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:50.800 she found herself doing it more and more and more. 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:53.760 And I believe in two thousand and nine she started 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:58.600 doing this in earnest making her own videos. Um. So 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:03.159 obviously people like her who have a genuine interest in 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:06.080 the a s MR community, or even not a genuine interest, 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:09.439 can make a small income doing this. Yeah, and not 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:12.120 to at least put back into your your product and 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:16.080 uh and pump out more videos. Um. It's it's interesting 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:19.000 too that she's she's Russian and has a Russian accent, 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:21.320 because I saw that mentioned a lot in them shows. 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:23.880 We're looking at that. Uh, you know, everyone has their 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:27.600 their different taste as far as a SMR material, but 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:30.160 a lot of people do prefer an accent of some kind. 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:31.639 And it kind of goes back to what you were 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:34.439 saying earlier about Uh, you know, a different mode of speech, 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:40.000 being less predictable. Reminds me of of of Bella Leegostia's Dracula. 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:43.520 One of the reasons Dracula resonated so much with Bella's 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:45.879 performance because bell didn't speak English at the time, so 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:48.440 he was he was saying these words but not actually 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:51.639 speaking them, so his his mode of his delivery was 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:55.040 what it was a little unpredictable and a little little haunting, 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:58.720 which is interesting because that the unpredictability factor I think 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:01.280 is present. And whispering anyway, I mean, the best way 0:19:01.320 --> 0:19:03.720 to get my kids attention is to actually whisper to 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:07.399 her because it's unusual, right, and you're like, you have 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:09.480 to lean in and really pay attention. So you have 0:19:09.640 --> 0:19:14.040 that going for you, and then you have those spaces 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:17.400 in the actual speech pattern making it a little bit 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:21.399 even more skewed, right. And in addition to this, a 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:25.880 lot of a s MR artists like Maria use three 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:30.440 D or binural microphones, which create a stereo recording that 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:33.320 makes the listener feel like they're in the same room 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:36.720 as the speaker. Oh yeah, a lot of people uh 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:38.879 in the SR community. So you do have to have 0:19:38.920 --> 0:19:43.320 the headphones. You need that that surround feeling you're just 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:46.119 not going to get from your laptop. Speaker. Yeah, this 0:19:46.200 --> 0:19:48.840 is from the Atlantic article how to have a Brain orgasm. 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:51.720 There it is again. Uh. Maria is interviewed and she says, 0:19:51.720 --> 0:19:54.080 of the experience, I definitely think it has something to 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:57.200 do with proximity. When you watch a SMR videos, you're 0:19:57.240 --> 0:20:01.080 completely vulnerable the viewer is. It's all most uncomfortable for 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:03.720 you to be that close to another person. But if 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:06.160 you feel how much they care about you at that moment, 0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:08.080 it just puts you in that shape of euphor you 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:11.080 So imagine you've got your headphones on and you have 0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:16.600 the three D microphones making it feel that much more intimate. Huh. 0:20:17.080 --> 0:20:18.920 You know. I I also did a quick chip check 0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:22.359 and there are videos of individuals who are pretending to 0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:25.880 draw you with a pencil. Ah. So your wife would 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:28.480 be like, Hey, that's the incisers with the sound and 0:20:28.520 --> 0:20:32.200 there's the kind of attention, right, and that's sort of like, Hey, 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:34.440 I care for you, I care for you, I care 0:20:34.480 --> 0:20:36.880 for you enough to set here and draw you. Yeah. 0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:42.879 So you have pointed out before why mostly women. Yeah, 0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:46.879 that's kind of a lingering question about this, isn't it again? 0:20:47.119 --> 0:20:49.560 We're still waiting on studies, so we don't have anything 0:20:49.600 --> 0:20:52.880 really hardcore, but but as best as we can tell, 0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:56.560 if it comes down to that nurturing energy. Yeah, and 0:20:56.600 --> 0:20:59.720 I had mentioned Dr dmitriv but he is uh, he's 0:20:59.760 --> 0:21:02.480 in a nominally among all the A S MR artists, 0:21:03.080 --> 0:21:06.560 And yeah, there's that that sort of nurturing role playing 0:21:07.000 --> 0:21:10.600 going on, And it would make sense that this kind 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:13.240 of stereotype would play down the lines of gender. Yeah, 0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:15.480 Like I almost felt weird saying it because it sounds 0:21:15.480 --> 0:21:18.359 a little sexist for me to say, Oh, well, you know, 0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:22.159 nurturing energy. Of course females are into it. But you know, 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:25.560 I mean if that's the predominant stereotype, then I mean 0:21:25.560 --> 0:21:28.520 we see that carried out through all types of media, 0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:30.600 So it would makes sense that this is something that 0:21:30.920 --> 0:21:34.679 is acceptable. Now. I was fine with Dr Dmitriev, but 0:21:34.720 --> 0:21:37.800 my husband was like, oh, that was totally creeping me out. 0:21:38.000 --> 0:21:41.119 What did your husband think about Bob Ross? Uh? You know, 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:44.320 we didn't talk about Bob Ross, but I'm yeah, who 0:21:44.359 --> 0:21:47.399 doesn't like Bob Ross? Some artists don't like Bob. I 0:21:47.400 --> 0:21:49.680 have a friend who's an artist and she hates him. Well, 0:21:49.760 --> 0:21:51.919 is that because the content of his work? I think so? 0:21:52.080 --> 0:21:54.320 I think she's just kind of like blah. I think also, 0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:57.399 maybe maybe it's because her mom was an art teacher 0:21:57.440 --> 0:22:00.520 or something. I'm not sure that she does not like 0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:03.760 the happy little trees. Yeah, she wants dangerous trees. She's 0:22:03.800 --> 0:22:06.760 a weird dug that one. But but yeah, for the 0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:08.840 most part of most people would like Bob Ross. What 0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:12.480 can you be offended by? Indeed, uh real, real quick, 0:22:12.600 --> 0:22:15.119 we're talking about the nurturing power of it. And I 0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:17.720 do want to mention as well that my wife said 0:22:17.840 --> 0:22:20.320 that when she was a little girl, Um, she and 0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:23.159 a friend would take turns combing each other's hair and 0:22:23.240 --> 0:22:27.760 she would also experience a SMR in those situations. Huh. 0:22:28.160 --> 0:22:30.560 So I mean she's kind of a type and type 0:22:30.600 --> 0:22:32.439 bee or maybe actually she would probably would be a 0:22:32.440 --> 0:22:36.679 type be just I think surely experiential. Yeah, I think so, 0:22:36.920 --> 0:22:39.520