WEBVTT - Chris Long 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:02.440 This episode of Bustle with the Boys. The Boys is 0:00:02.480 --> 0:00:03.920 presented by Barstool Sports. 0:00:05.160 --> 0:00:07.200 Is that the room? Is that the green Light Pod room? 0:00:07.280 --> 0:00:14.000 Dude, it's my office, which happens to be green because 0:00:14.000 --> 0:00:14.960 that's my favorite color? 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:19.000 Is that why it was? Is that why it's called 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:19.759 the green Light Pod? 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:23.560 I mean sort of. It's kind because I didn't want 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:26.160 to call it like the Chris Longpod, and it just 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:30.080 like the Chris Long Show. But also like green light 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:33.639 means like we'll talk about whatever, So you know, there's 0:00:33.680 --> 0:00:34.200 a little bit. 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:36.080 What that means. Is it like a psychology thing? 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:38.639 No, it's not a psychology think. It's like the way 0:00:38.680 --> 0:00:42.280 I looked at it is, you know, pick an ambiguous 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:45.360 name because I don't want to be like the third 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:47.440 and Long Show, Like I don't want to be I 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:49.159 want something that people like, why is it called that? 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:51.440 I would rather do that than just be really like 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:54.240 dorky and over with my ship like a football. 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:55.440 You no, that's smart. 0:00:55.800 --> 0:00:56.000 Yeah. 0:00:56.120 --> 0:01:00.640 So right right before this, right before we got on here, 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:04.280 this dude Taylor hits the group chat and says, my 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:08.360 powers out, the powers out. 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:09.959 Yeah, he said his power went out. 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:12.759 He face tigns me he's like, yeah, I don't know, man, 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:15.720 something with my power, Like it's like flickering. So last 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:19.280 last last week in Nashville, like over one hundred thousand 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:21.399 people were without power because was that kind of like 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:25.880 a tornado? No? That So it's crazy because now white 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:30.880 Board during it like that. Nashville has been enduring it, dude. 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:34.280 Like two months ago it was like a tornado, which 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:37.640 hit us pretty bad, obviously the pandemic. But last week 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:39.600 there's just a thunderstorm and it took out over one 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:43.080 hundred thousand people with power. He was part of it, 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:46.039 but everything got figured out. But I guess today I. 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:48.000 Don't Well, I'm I'm good. If you need me to 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:49.360 come back in a couple of months, that's fine, And 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:52.760 if you need me to wait around or you want to, like, 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:53.320 I don't care. 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:56.640 I'm like, d we're chatting while I'm running this thing. 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:58.680 I told Taylor, I was like, hopefully your power comes 0:01:58.720 --> 0:01:59.920 on because then you can just crash. 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:03.800 That's all. 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:05.560 I'm going to get into your charge. 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:09.280 I'm gonna get into all your chark because I'm super 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:10.760 curious about all that stuff. 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:13.080 Interesting going alone. 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:16.200 Yeah, dude, I bet I can only imagine, like I 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:19.280 do the stuff I feel like on my own sometimes 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:20.280 shout out Taylor. 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:22.880 Yeah, but it's different. 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:25.720 It's a it's a weird vibe because no one, you know, 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:29.120 cares about it like you do, and you've got to 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:31.480 kind of find all these pivots on your own, like, oh, 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:34.200 no one's coming to save me, Like I got to 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:34.960 figure this out. 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:37.560 Yeah, it's not like you can work harder and make 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:39.880 people care what you're saying. You either just kind of 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:42.080 have to slowly build up an audience or not. 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:44.440 Yeah, no doubt. 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:47.600 I was listening to your green Light pod. For those 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:50.440 that don't know, Chris Long has a phenomenal podcast. He 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:53.680 runs it way better than any athlete has out there. 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:55.440 It's called the green Light Podcast. You can go and 0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:58.919 subscribe to it. I was listening to your most recent one, 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:02.640 and I was telling you earlier how all the topics 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:05.040 I had of, like, oh, let's talk about the last Dance, 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:09.560 because you know, everybody's so intrigued with with Michael Jordan 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:13.800 and an athlete his mindset, an athlete's mindset and some 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:15.480 stuff you kind of watch and you kind of sit 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:18.360 back and see everybody tweeting and talking about it and 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:21.799 they're talking like it's some anomaly that somebody thinks that way. 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:22.600 Or is that competitive? 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:23.119 Right? 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:25.600 And I was talking with my strength coach earlier, and 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:29.400 it's just like, yo, everybody. There's so many athletes who 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:32.040 are like competitive in that nature. Like we were playing 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:34.160 spike ball last Saturday and Taylor and I were ready 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:36.760 to like hit each other, take each. 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:38.800 Other out, arguing. 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:41.360 Yeah, yeah exactly. He's like, Yo, I'm gonna run through you. 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:42.680 And it's like, all right, well, I hope you do it. 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:44.320 And I'm thinking in my mind like, yo, that's a 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:46.840 big dude. But you're private themselves, like yeah, fuck you, bro, 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:50.800 Like go ahead. But I find it so interesting because 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:54.120 people think like that stuff doesn't necessarily happen and doesn't 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:56.160 necessarily happen, and then they sat after on the last 0:03:56.240 --> 0:03:58.840 dance and then they're like, oh, that's why he's the greatest. 0:03:58.840 --> 0:03:59.720 It's like, yo, athletes. 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:02.600 I think this exposes a lot of people's and this 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:05.760 is natural. Like if I was watching a police movie 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:09.720 or like a movie about another profession where there's camaraderie, teamwork, 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:12.840 obviously the stakes are different. I'm not comparing football to 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:15.560 law enforcement or the military any of that stuff. I'm not, 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:18.400 but I am saying that. Like, you know, anytime there's 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:22.280 an inside look at you know, a documentary or a 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:24.640 movie and there's outsiders looking at it, you know they're 0:04:24.680 --> 0:04:27.120 going to take certain things that are unremarkable and make 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:31.239 them big deals. And I think with Jordan, to your point, 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:33.880 it's not that he was so competitive that he would 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:36.240 damn near kill to win. I think if anybody had 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:38.800 a winning problem, it was Jordan. Like a problem winner, 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:41.880 like problem gamblers. He's like a problem winner. He's close 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:45.720 to the borderline of stars at least that are well documented. 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:48.720 But to your point, there's a ton of guys who 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:50.400 were really competitive, but they just weren't as good as 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:53.200 Jordan's so it's not as well documented. And also like 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:55.880 it's easy to tell that story and we should hear it. 0:04:55.880 --> 0:04:58.039 It's awesome because he's the goat to me, at least, 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:00.880 I don't know if he's the best player of all time. 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:02.720 But there's two different conversations. 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:04.920 Yeah, don't we're talking about the last dance. We can't 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:06.360 use the L word right now because. 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:09.159 I'm not gonna use it to go down that road 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:13.120 because it's just so it's so pointless, but like, I 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:15.960 just think the reason you get to see it, and 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:18.040 it's a real blessing that they had all this tape. 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:21.159 Thank God for for for the people that unearthed this stuff, 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:22.880 and then he agreed to do it because the pandemic 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:26.200 it has saved us from a sports fan perspective, But like, 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:28.480 I just don't think people understand that there's plenty of 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:30.160 guys who just aren't as good as him that are 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:33.719 that competitive. But he definitely was very competitive. And the 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:36.000 craziest part to me was not is just general competitiveness, 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:39.279 but like his motive self motivation style, like making ship 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:42.800 up the the Bradford James thing, Like he just made 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:44.720 that up out of thin air, Like you're a little 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:46.680 bit psychotic to do that a little. 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:50.560 Bit, yeah, especially over like hey good game, Like that's psychotic. 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:52.440 Yeah. Well, and then he made it up. 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:54.360 Could you imagine somebody just say hey, Chris, good game, 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:55.960 and you're like, all right, motherfucker. 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:59.599 Well he made it up. So he so he so 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:02.279 so like not only was it a lie, but it 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:04.839 was also the fact that, you know, the lie was 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:07.719 so innocuous to most people be like, hey, good game, 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:09.680 what do you fuck do you mean, good game, Like 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:13.480 that's insane. I mean it was like, hey, hang on, hang. 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:15.520 On, what's innocuous, Like this is a this is a 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:16.280 real football player. 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:18.720 Innocuous would be like innocuous would be like it's not 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:21.360 a big deal, Like it's just a comment and passing 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:24.800 unless I just butchered the word, you're making me second guessing, 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:27.440 But MOUs means not a big deal. So like it's 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:30.480 fucking like somebody should how many times you've been told hey, 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:32.840 good game, even after somebody wore you out, Like if 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:35.080 the tackle blocked me all day and said, hey, nice game. 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:37.800 Depending on the tone, it's probably not a big deal. 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:41.200 But to Mike, you not only made that exchange up, 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:44.560 but that was the exchange And like, what's the point 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:46.760 of telling people that if you're the one you're trying 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:50.239 to motivate. So it's yeah, insane to me. And then 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:51.679 and then on top of that, it was like George 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:54.560 Carl was bj Armstrong, not George Carl was a Yeah, 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:57.120 it was George Carl pissed him off before the finals, 0:06:57.440 --> 0:07:02.840 like all these guys. He found motivations to win, and 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:06.280 like spin zone here, if Jordan could do that every game, 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:09.680 why didn't he do it? More make up some shit 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:11.800 and then just go off for thirty seven in the 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:13.320 first half, no doubt. 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:17.600 And they make it. The documentary paints the picture. So 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:20.360 I guess I'm gonna use the word cool because he's 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:22.360 sitting there and they're talking about and he's like swinging 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:25.080 this like bat and has a cigar hisstoke in his mouth. 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:26.280 You're kind of sitting there as an. 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:28.640 Athlete, like, yo, these dudes got to do whatever they 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:31.280 want back. I felt like anyway, I mean not just that. 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:32.800 I mean you mentioned the Stovia. I mean he was 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:35.600 talking about people ripping SIGs in the eighties and that's 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:37.480 absolutely true. It was true in the NFL. My pops 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:39.920 told me about guys that used to, you know, be 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:43.120 ripping heaters at halftime, and that was fairly fairly normal. 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:46.200 I mean, it was just it was just a different era, man, 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:49.760 And like, I'm just really glad they had this footage 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:51.880 because we didn't have this in depth access and you 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:54.160 could have this kind of in depth access nowadays in 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:57.160 twenty twenty, for like the fourth corner on an NFL team, 0:07:57.200 --> 0:07:59.480 because he has his own production company and he's like, 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:04.040 I'm just on my YouTube channel, Like on that NFL 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:08.000 team has as much banked content as Jordan did back 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:11.360 in the day, but you know the differences. And Jordan's 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:13.360 agent talked about this is like every time we use 0:08:13.480 --> 0:08:16.680 Jordan's name, his brand is diminished. So it's like it's 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:19.320 like inflation for his brand. So he saved it up 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:21.760 and it's just like we were starved for it. But 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:24.840 he controls the production process here, so like when he 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:28.040 anchors this thing and under promises, over delivers, and he's like, 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:30.480 people are gonna hate me. He knows people are gonna 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:32.599 hate him. He knows people are gonna like him. What 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:35.720 he's comfortable sharing, he's gonna he's gonna share. I want 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:37.840 to know what was in the tapes that he didn't 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:40.040 let to the light of day. That's what the fuck 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:40.600 I wanted. 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:42.280 To know the same dude, because you know those dudes 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:43.960 who are karen A on the camera, they probably saw 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:46.920 some ship and heard some stories that's like, yeah, we're 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:47.920 not able to use that. 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:50.280 Even the footage I mean like just vaulted. They had 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:53.120 a separate room for it. I think, uh, you know, 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:54.960 and and the only person who had like the key 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:57.760 was Jordan. I don't know I heard this, and you 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:00.360 know how much in there was foot is that he 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:01.760 was just like, no, no, no, I want to know 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:04.160 the stuff they argued over. The producer would be like, probably, 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:06.080 hey man, we could use this. I promise this won't 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:08.080 make you look bad, et cetera. Sexcuse you're talking about 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:11.280 one of the most brand conscious athletes of all time, 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:16.319 and ironically he protected his brand to elevate the brands 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:19.240 of athletes, is what he did by protecting his brand, 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:22.120 and now guys can do everything like YouTube live, like 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:23.600 look at how much shit And this is the only 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:25.920 time I use Lebron in this documentary, But look at 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:30.120 Lebron's brand, which is really well done and he focuses 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:32.520 on a lot. Jordan put the same energy in it 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:35.600 in a protective way, and he paved the way for 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:39.760 guys like Lebron to just do whatever every week barber shop, 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:43.960 ig live, Taco Tuesday. Like Jordan didn't do this stuff, 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:46.040 there wouldn't a medium for it. I don't know if 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:48.000 he would have, but I honestly think getting a normal 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:50.480 a little bit more through his documentary, he would have 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:52.040 been just the same way. I think he'd be like 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:53.800 protective brand dude, honestly. 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:58.040 Now, Yeah, And I think it's interesting too because everybody 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:00.760 who sat down to do these interviews able to, you know, 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:03.199 chop and take bits and pieces of him. But you're 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:07.079 almost curious what conversations were really happening on the camera 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:10.080 when they were asking about talking about his leadership style 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:12.640 and if he was an asshole, because you know, they 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:14.720 can kind of show smirks and reactions and there may 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:16.360 be a couple of sentences, but then you cut to 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:17.040 something else. 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:19.600 Yeah, that's why I think that there's some of this stuff. 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:23.880 Damn near every player in this thing that's a supporting actor, 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:26.400 so to speak, in this whole thing has come out 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:28.120 with a little bit of embarrassment and got to dust 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:30.000 it up a little bit by Jordan. You know, like 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:32.040 he didn't really take a shot at Charles. He was 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:34.080 like he was mad he's the MVP that year. But 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:36.720 that's a pretty normal comment for some of you who's 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:39.600 super competitive. I think he, you know, he showed respect there. 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:41.920 He took a shot at Gary kind of laughed at 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:44.280 him the glove last week, and I thought like that 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:47.400 was a little unfair because you know, Gary did Jordan 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:49.800 was more sporadic as far as the shooting percentage towards 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:53.280 the end of that series against the Sonics, and Gary 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:55.800 did do a good job. I mean, that's like, it's 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:58.760 objectively true. And for them to set Gary up like that, 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:00.800 they were probably leading Gary down the road of and 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:02.800 you did a pretty good job against Michael. You did it. 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:06.160 And Gary's starting to feel himself and he's he's interviewing 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:08.320 like he's getting the hype because he's like, yeah, I 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:10.120 shut Michael down a little bit. He was like, you know, 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:13.120 thirty percent shooting late in the series, and then they 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:16.360 lead him right into the trap and Jordan knows exactly 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:18.760 what he's gonna say. He's controlling the production. So I 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:21.040 think it's a little bit unfair from that standpoint. Scotty 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:23.120 probably got burned a little bit with saying like I 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:24.760 would have done it over again, because I think they 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:26.880 probably took it out of context a little bit that 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:28.920 he was saying, like, you know, like how some people 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:31.440 say even if I fuck up, I don't change anything 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:34.240 in my life. I think that's what he meant, and 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:36.200 he didn't really get it out well. And also they 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:38.080 took it out of context, so it's tricky. If you're 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:40.800 gonna be in a Jordan documentary, you're not going to 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:41.320 be the hero. 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:45.640 Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. What uh, what are your thoughts? 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:45.720 Like? 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:50.600 What was your what was your thoughts on his leadership style? 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:53.320 I know when I was listening to your pod, there's 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:55.560 a thousand different ways of skin a cat. So yeah, 0:11:55.600 --> 0:11:57.480 everybody's trying to get a job done, which is when 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:00.200 you've been on Super Bowl teams, You've been around all 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:02.320 these different cultures. Like what did you take away from 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:04.160 the way guys were about his leadership style. 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:06.400 I've been around great players, man, I've been around a 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:07.920 lot of them, as you know you probably have too. 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:10.120 I'm very lucky to play with guys like Tom Brady, 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:12.800 Rob Gronkowski, like Tory Holt, Stephen Jacks. I'm going on 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:14.080 a list of guys I think might be in the 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:14.439 Hall of Fame. 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:15.439 You play with Tory Holt. 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:16.800 Yep, right, that's how old. 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:17.800 I let's go. 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:21.240 That's a documentary I played with the I played with 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:23.280 a few guys at the end at the beginning of 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:25.280 my career in Saint Lewis that make me look really old? 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:31.400 Trent Green Dante Hall about trotting out uh for for 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:34.679 training camp and fissing Orlando pace off trying to win 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:36.800 in one on one pass rush and he's just playing 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:40.319 with you. I would say everybody has a different leadership 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:44.240 style and the key is be you man like like 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:46.880 And for Jordan, I think that was very authentically him. 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:49.880 That's what I like about him is he's unapologetically him. 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:52.120 I don't think anything is upfront with him. I don't 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:54.600 think he's saying any of this to to you know, 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:58.560 get attention, Like this is just him and this fit him. 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:01.640 So I think it's funny. Like we talked about him 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:04.280 being hated, I don't hate him. I like him more 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:08.079 because he's unapologetically an asshole. You ask the guys that 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:09.920 play with him. It depends on who you ask. I think, 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:14.400 like Wennington talked about him testing guys, like testing guys 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:16.360 and seeing if they back down or not. You talked 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:18.960 about the curve fight. Okay, the Wennington point that happens 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:21.080 in the NFL all the time, the curve fight. How 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:23.280 many fights have you seen in fucking practice. I've seen 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:25.840 way worse than Steve Kerr getting punched in the fucking eye. 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:29.559 The Scott Barrell thing. Everybody was like, Oh, that's so mean. 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:32.240 He was calling Scott Barella hooe like forty six times. 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:35.320 I've heard so much worse. That's your daily stretch line. 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:37.360 By the way, I think he probably loves Scott Barell. 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:39.360 I think they hit the streets together. I think they 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:42.200 gamble together, hung out, and I think that like people, 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:44.880 that's what people don't understand. There aren't athletes and understand 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:47.360 team dynamic, and I think every guy has a different 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:50.520 dynamic with their teammates relationships, and you got to do 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:53.199 what fits your personality. That's the way I think about it. 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:55.680 And also, who's going to punch Jordan in the face. 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:58.280 Everybody was like, Steve Kerney's punched Jordan in the face. 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:00.120 You punched Jordan in the face. That's like hitting a 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:03.559 quarterback and training camp and you're on you know, rookie minie. 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:06.000 Getting close to his arm and yeah, like stuff. 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:08.320 You're on spirit airlines, motherfucker, you're out of here. So 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:12.360 that's like, who's who's gonna take a swing at Jordan. Yeah. 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:14.200 One time when I when I was like a rookie, 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:17.880 I was on practice squad and I almost block on 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:20.720 accident because you kind of get thrown right into the 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:24.200 punter and I almost take out the punter, which is 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:25.520 like a huge no, you know what I mean, because 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:29.120 you only got film and uh man. 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:29.880 What was his name? 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:34.640 Coach Burns Keith Browns Man and he's like, hey, who's 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:35.320 forty six? 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:36.960 And you know, I'm like, oh me. 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:38.840 He's like, hey man, you're gonna fuck around and get 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:40.640 a good player. We're gonna send you ass back home. 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:43.600 Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's you know, if I had a 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:46.400 dollar for every time I heard, you know, a rookie 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:49.800 threatened to h get bought a plane ticket home because 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:51.440 they ran into or got close. Because I'm in a 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:54.240 D line room and you know, you know, there's nobody 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:58.800 that's grinding harder than rookie linemen with pads, without pads, 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:02.320 and O linemen throw you, O lineman get beat, they hit, 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:06.320 toss people back into the quarterback. You know, guys instinctively, 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:08.160 and I've done this before. You win a pass rush, 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:09.560 you kind of hold your arm up to show you 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:11.640 had to sack, or you reach for the ball because 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:13.600 that's kind of what you do. And young guys they're 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:16.440 just not that fucking smart, and they're extremely motivated and 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:19.200 everybody has a practice speed. And if your ten year vet, 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:22.880 you probably hate the rookie and vice versa. But yeah, 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:24.920 I mean, like you're not gonna punch Jordan in the face. 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:26.920 So I think it depends on who you ask. Like, 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:31.600 you know, Phil Jackson text Winner, they were the guys, 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:34.880 the Triangle offense guys, and you know that that took 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:37.640 over in the early nineties. And and if you ask texts, 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:40.760 he thought that Jordan he said in a book, he 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:43.480 was quoted as saying that Jordan definitely wrote his teammates 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:46.440 too hard. But then if you ask Phil Jackson, he said, 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:48.320 like that fight was a turning point with Kurt. So 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:53.040 I think it just depends. And I love, love, love 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:57.440 his answer of you know, I wouldn't make my teammates 0:15:57.440 --> 0:15:59.720 do anything that I wouldn't do, because that's the number 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:01.000 one thing I want to look for in a leader. 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:02.040 Do you leave by example? 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:05.480 Yeah, And he's I mean at the end of that episode, 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:08.680 he's like crying, which I think was powerful. It's like, yo, 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:11.360 he I mean that you said it earlier, Like that's 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:13.920 authentically him, like he only knew it, he only knew 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:15.760 how to do it that way. Yeah, he wanted them 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:18.360 to experience winning like he was experiencing it. 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:22.080 I love that sequence. That sequence made episode seven my 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:24.720 favorite to this point. It was obviously the most personal 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:27.280 and raw. And you talk about a guy who's cruised 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:30.040 through narrating everything, including the death of his father, and 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:34.120 that choked him up. And I wonder if it's just 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:36.320 that he looks back and he's like, I wish I 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:37.880 could have been nicer to people, like I did miss 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:40.480 out on some relationships, that sort of thing, because I 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:42.960 think there's an element of mj being like a fucking 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:46.400 armchair psychologist where he does have trouble connecting with people, 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:48.160 like you could tell, like in the locker room, like 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:50.680 back and forth with guys, like you can tell when 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:53.400 guys are laughing at jokes and they're just kind of like, hah, yeah, 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:54.800 you're Michael Jordan. I don't want to get kind of 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:56.560 got a lot, like we don't talk a lot the 0:16:56.600 --> 0:16:59.000 cameras here, like that sort of thing. I'm not saying 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:00.840 he was a bad team and I'm just saying, like 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:04.600 it's hard for guys to relate to somebody who's isolated 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:06.840 himself that much because he wants to be so great 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:09.879 and is so great, and so I think that he 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:12.119 I think that he had trouble relating at times, I 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:14.720 honestly do, but I think it was authentically him, and 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:16.359 I think it kind of tore him up or he 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:18.960 just missed it misbusting people's asses. And that's what he 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:21.000 was crying about when he when he delivered that line. 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:22.360 If you don't want to play like that, don't play 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:24.080 like that, break right right? 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:26.800