Speaker 1: This episode of Bustle with the Boys. The Boys is
Speaker 1: presented by Barstool Sports.
Speaker 2: Is that the room? Is that the green Light Pod room?
Speaker 3: Dude, it's my office, which happens to be green because
Speaker 3: that's my favorite color?
Speaker 1: Is that why it was? Is that why it's called
Speaker 1: the green Light Pod?
Speaker 3: I mean sort of. It's kind because I didn't want
Speaker 3: to call it like the Chris Longpod, and it just
Speaker 3: like the Chris Long Show. But also like green light
Speaker 3: means like we'll talk about whatever, So you know, there's
Speaker 3: a little bit.
Speaker 1: What that means. Is it like a psychology thing?
Speaker 3: No, it's not a psychology think. It's like the way
Speaker 3: I looked at it is, you know, pick an ambiguous
Speaker 3: name because I don't want to be like the third
Speaker 3: and Long Show, Like I don't want to be I
Speaker 3: want something that people like, why is it called that?
Speaker 3: I would rather do that than just be really like
Speaker 3: dorky and over with my ship like a football.
Speaker 1: You no, that's smart.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So right right before this, right before we got on here,
Speaker 2: this dude Taylor hits the group chat and says, my
Speaker 2: powers out, the powers out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he said his power went out.
Speaker 2: He face tigns me he's like, yeah, I don't know, man,
Speaker 2: something with my power, Like it's like flickering. So last
Speaker 2: last last week in Nashville, like over one hundred thousand
Speaker 2: people were without power because was that kind of like
Speaker 2: a tornado? No? That So it's crazy because now white
Speaker 2: Board during it like that. Nashville has been enduring it, dude.
Speaker 2: Like two months ago it was like a tornado, which
Speaker 2: hit us pretty bad, obviously the pandemic. But last week
Speaker 2: there's just a thunderstorm and it took out over one
Speaker 2: hundred thousand people with power. He was part of it,
Speaker 2: but everything got figured out. But I guess today I.
Speaker 3: Don't Well, I'm I'm good. If you need me to
Speaker 3: come back in a couple of months, that's fine, And
Speaker 3: if you need me to wait around or you want to, like,
Speaker 3: I don't care.
Speaker 2: I'm like, d we're chatting while I'm running this thing.
Speaker 2: I told Taylor, I was like, hopefully your power comes
Speaker 2: on because then you can just crash.
Speaker 3: That's all.
Speaker 1: I'm going to get into your charge.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get into all your chark because I'm super
Speaker 2: curious about all that stuff.
Speaker 3: Interesting going alone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, I bet I can only imagine, like I
Speaker 2: do the stuff I feel like on my own sometimes
Speaker 2: shout out Taylor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's different.
Speaker 2: It's a it's a weird vibe because no one, you know,
Speaker 2: cares about it like you do, and you've got to
Speaker 2: kind of find all these pivots on your own, like, oh,
Speaker 2: no one's coming to save me, Like I got to
Speaker 2: figure this out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not like you can work harder and make
Speaker 3: people care what you're saying. You either just kind of
Speaker 3: have to slowly build up an audience or not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 2: I was listening to your green Light pod. For those
Speaker 2: that don't know, Chris Long has a phenomenal podcast. He
Speaker 2: runs it way better than any athlete has out there.
Speaker 2: It's called the green Light Podcast. You can go and
Speaker 2: subscribe to it. I was listening to your most recent one,
Speaker 2: and I was telling you earlier how all the topics
Speaker 2: I had of, like, oh, let's talk about the last Dance,
Speaker 2: because you know, everybody's so intrigued with with Michael Jordan
Speaker 2: and an athlete his mindset, an athlete's mindset and some
Speaker 2: stuff you kind of watch and you kind of sit
Speaker 2: back and see everybody tweeting and talking about it and
Speaker 2: they're talking like it's some anomaly that somebody thinks that way.
Speaker 1: Or is that competitive?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: And I was talking with my strength coach earlier, and
Speaker 2: it's just like, yo, everybody. There's so many athletes who
Speaker 2: are like competitive in that nature. Like we were playing
Speaker 2: spike ball last Saturday and Taylor and I were ready
Speaker 2: to like hit each other, take each.
Speaker 3: Other out, arguing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah exactly. He's like, Yo, I'm gonna run through you.
Speaker 2: And it's like, all right, well, I hope you do it.
Speaker 2: And I'm thinking in my mind like, yo, that's a
Speaker 2: big dude. But you're private themselves, like yeah, fuck you, bro,
Speaker 2: Like go ahead. But I find it so interesting because
Speaker 2: people think like that stuff doesn't necessarily happen and doesn't
Speaker 2: necessarily happen, and then they sat after on the last
Speaker 2: dance and then they're like, oh, that's why he's the greatest.
Speaker 2: It's like, yo, athletes.
Speaker 3: I think this exposes a lot of people's and this
Speaker 3: is natural. Like if I was watching a police movie
Speaker 3: or like a movie about another profession where there's camaraderie, teamwork,
Speaker 3: obviously the stakes are different. I'm not comparing football to
Speaker 3: law enforcement or the military any of that stuff. I'm not,
Speaker 3: but I am saying that. Like, you know, anytime there's
Speaker 3: an inside look at you know, a documentary or a
Speaker 3: movie and there's outsiders looking at it, you know they're
Speaker 3: going to take certain things that are unremarkable and make
Speaker 3: them big deals. And I think with Jordan, to your point,
Speaker 3: it's not that he was so competitive that he would
Speaker 3: damn near kill to win. I think if anybody had
Speaker 3: a winning problem, it was Jordan. Like a problem winner,
Speaker 3: like problem gamblers. He's like a problem winner. He's close
Speaker 3: to the borderline of stars at least that are well documented.
Speaker 3: But to your point, there's a ton of guys who
Speaker 3: were really competitive, but they just weren't as good as
Speaker 3: Jordan's so it's not as well documented. And also like
Speaker 3: it's easy to tell that story and we should hear it.
Speaker 3: It's awesome because he's the goat to me, at least,
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's the best player of all time.
Speaker 3: But there's two different conversations.
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't we're talking about the last dance. We can't
Speaker 2: use the L word right now because.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna use it to go down that road
Speaker 3: because it's just so it's so pointless, but like, I
Speaker 3: just think the reason you get to see it, and
Speaker 3: it's a real blessing that they had all this tape.
Speaker 3: Thank God for for for the people that unearthed this stuff,
Speaker 3: and then he agreed to do it because the pandemic
Speaker 3: it has saved us from a sports fan perspective, But like,
Speaker 3: I just don't think people understand that there's plenty of
Speaker 3: guys who just aren't as good as him that are
Speaker 3: that competitive. But he definitely was very competitive. And the
Speaker 3: craziest part to me was not is just general competitiveness,
Speaker 3: but like his motive self motivation style, like making ship
Speaker 3: up the the Bradford James thing, Like he just made
Speaker 3: that up out of thin air, Like you're a little
Speaker 3: bit psychotic to do that a little.
Speaker 2: Bit, yeah, especially over like hey good game, Like that's psychotic.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, and then he made it up.
Speaker 2: Could you imagine somebody just say hey, Chris, good game,
Speaker 2: and you're like, all right, motherfucker.
Speaker 3: Well he made it up. So he so he so
Speaker 3: so like not only was it a lie, but it
Speaker 3: was also the fact that, you know, the lie was
Speaker 3: so innocuous to most people be like, hey, good game,
Speaker 3: what do you fuck do you mean, good game, Like
Speaker 3: that's insane. I mean it was like, hey, hang on, hang.
Speaker 2: On, what's innocuous, Like this is a this is a
Speaker 2: real football player.
Speaker 3: Innocuous would be like innocuous would be like it's not
Speaker 3: a big deal, Like it's just a comment and passing
Speaker 3: unless I just butchered the word, you're making me second guessing,
Speaker 3: But MOUs means not a big deal. So like it's
Speaker 3: fucking like somebody should how many times you've been told hey,
Speaker 3: good game, even after somebody wore you out, Like if
Speaker 3: the tackle blocked me all day and said, hey, nice game.
Speaker 3: Depending on the tone, it's probably not a big deal.
Speaker 3: But to Mike, you not only made that exchange up,
Speaker 3: but that was the exchange And like, what's the point
Speaker 3: of telling people that if you're the one you're trying
Speaker 3: to motivate. So it's yeah, insane to me. And then
Speaker 3: and then on top of that, it was like George
Speaker 3: Carl was bj Armstrong, not George Carl was a Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was George Carl pissed him off before the finals,
Speaker 3: like all these guys. He found motivations to win, and
Speaker 3: like spin zone here, if Jordan could do that every game,
Speaker 3: why didn't he do it? More make up some shit
Speaker 3: and then just go off for thirty seven in the
Speaker 3: first half, no doubt.
Speaker 2: And they make it. The documentary paints the picture. So
Speaker 2: I guess I'm gonna use the word cool because he's
Speaker 2: sitting there and they're talking about and he's like swinging
Speaker 2: this like bat and has a cigar hisstoke in his mouth.
Speaker 1: You're kind of sitting there as an.
Speaker 2: Athlete, like, yo, these dudes got to do whatever they
Speaker 2: want back. I felt like anyway, I mean not just that.
Speaker 3: I mean you mentioned the Stovia. I mean he was
Speaker 3: talking about people ripping SIGs in the eighties and that's
Speaker 3: absolutely true. It was true in the NFL. My pops
Speaker 3: told me about guys that used to, you know, be
Speaker 3: ripping heaters at halftime, and that was fairly fairly normal.
Speaker 3: I mean, it was just it was just a different era, man,
Speaker 3: And like, I'm just really glad they had this footage
Speaker 3: because we didn't have this in depth access and you
Speaker 3: could have this kind of in depth access nowadays in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty, for like the fourth corner on an NFL team,
Speaker 3: because he has his own production company and he's like,
Speaker 3: I'm just on my YouTube channel, Like on that NFL
Speaker 3: team has as much banked content as Jordan did back
Speaker 3: in the day, but you know the differences. And Jordan's
Speaker 3: agent talked about this is like every time we use
Speaker 3: Jordan's name, his brand is diminished. So it's like it's
Speaker 3: like inflation for his brand. So he saved it up
Speaker 3: and it's just like we were starved for it. But
Speaker 3: he controls the production process here, so like when he
Speaker 3: anchors this thing and under promises, over delivers, and he's like,
Speaker 3: people are gonna hate me. He knows people are gonna
Speaker 3: hate him. He knows people are gonna like him. What
Speaker 3: he's comfortable sharing, he's gonna he's gonna share. I want
Speaker 3: to know what was in the tapes that he didn't
Speaker 3: let to the light of day. That's what the fuck
Speaker 3: I wanted.
Speaker 2: To know the same dude, because you know those dudes
Speaker 2: who are karen A on the camera, they probably saw
Speaker 2: some ship and heard some stories that's like, yeah, we're
Speaker 2: not able to use that.
Speaker 3: Even the footage I mean like just vaulted. They had
Speaker 3: a separate room for it. I think, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: and and the only person who had like the key
Speaker 3: was Jordan. I don't know I heard this, and you
Speaker 3: know how much in there was foot is that he
Speaker 3: was just like, no, no, no, I want to know
Speaker 3: the stuff they argued over. The producer would be like, probably,
Speaker 3: hey man, we could use this. I promise this won't
Speaker 3: make you look bad, et cetera. Sexcuse you're talking about
Speaker 3: one of the most brand conscious athletes of all time,
Speaker 3: and ironically he protected his brand to elevate the brands
Speaker 3: of athletes, is what he did by protecting his brand,
Speaker 3: and now guys can do everything like YouTube live, like
Speaker 3: look at how much shit And this is the only
Speaker 3: time I use Lebron in this documentary, But look at
Speaker 3: Lebron's brand, which is really well done and he focuses
Speaker 3: on a lot. Jordan put the same energy in it
Speaker 3: in a protective way, and he paved the way for
Speaker 3: guys like Lebron to just do whatever every week barber shop,
Speaker 3: ig live, Taco Tuesday. Like Jordan didn't do this stuff,
Speaker 3: there wouldn't a medium for it. I don't know if
Speaker 3: he would have, but I honestly think getting a normal
Speaker 3: a little bit more through his documentary, he would have
Speaker 3: been just the same way. I think he'd be like
Speaker 3: protective brand dude, honestly.
Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, And I think it's interesting too because everybody
Speaker 2: who sat down to do these interviews able to, you know,
Speaker 2: chop and take bits and pieces of him. But you're
Speaker 2: almost curious what conversations were really happening on the camera
Speaker 2: when they were asking about talking about his leadership style
Speaker 2: and if he was an asshole, because you know, they
Speaker 2: can kind of show smirks and reactions and there may
Speaker 2: be a couple of sentences, but then you cut to
Speaker 2: something else.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I think that there's some of this stuff.
Speaker 3: Damn near every player in this thing that's a supporting actor,
Speaker 3: so to speak, in this whole thing has come out
Speaker 3: with a little bit of embarrassment and got to dust
Speaker 3: it up a little bit by Jordan. You know, like
Speaker 3: he didn't really take a shot at Charles. He was
Speaker 3: like he was mad he's the MVP that year. But
Speaker 3: that's a pretty normal comment for some of you who's
Speaker 3: super competitive. I think he, you know, he showed respect there.
Speaker 3: He took a shot at Gary kind of laughed at
Speaker 3: him the glove last week, and I thought like that
Speaker 3: was a little unfair because you know, Gary did Jordan
Speaker 3: was more sporadic as far as the shooting percentage towards
Speaker 3: the end of that series against the Sonics, and Gary
Speaker 3: did do a good job. I mean, that's like, it's
Speaker 3: objectively true. And for them to set Gary up like that,
Speaker 3: they were probably leading Gary down the road of and
Speaker 3: you did a pretty good job against Michael. You did it.
Speaker 3: And Gary's starting to feel himself and he's he's interviewing
Speaker 3: like he's getting the hype because he's like, yeah, I
Speaker 3: shut Michael down a little bit. He was like, you know,
Speaker 3: thirty percent shooting late in the series, and then they
Speaker 3: lead him right into the trap and Jordan knows exactly
Speaker 3: what he's gonna say. He's controlling the production. So I
Speaker 3: think it's a little bit unfair from that standpoint. Scotty
Speaker 3: probably got burned a little bit with saying like I
Speaker 3: would have done it over again, because I think they
Speaker 3: probably took it out of context a little bit that
Speaker 3: he was saying, like, you know, like how some people
Speaker 3: say even if I fuck up, I don't change anything
Speaker 3: in my life. I think that's what he meant, and
Speaker 3: he didn't really get it out well. And also they
Speaker 3: took it out of context, so it's tricky. If you're
Speaker 3: gonna be in a Jordan documentary, you're not going to
Speaker 3: be the hero.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. What uh, what are your thoughts?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: What was your what was your thoughts on his leadership style?
Speaker 2: I know when I was listening to your pod, there's
Speaker 2: a thousand different ways of skin a cat. So yeah,
Speaker 2: everybody's trying to get a job done, which is when
Speaker 2: you've been on Super Bowl teams, You've been around all
Speaker 2: these different cultures. Like what did you take away from
Speaker 2: the way guys were about his leadership style.
Speaker 3: I've been around great players, man, I've been around a
Speaker 3: lot of them, as you know you probably have too.
Speaker 3: I'm very lucky to play with guys like Tom Brady,
Speaker 3: Rob Gronkowski, like Tory Holt, Stephen Jacks. I'm going on
Speaker 3: a list of guys I think might be in the
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: You play with Tory Holt.
Speaker 3: Yep, right, that's how old.
Speaker 1: I let's go.
Speaker 3: That's a documentary I played with the I played with
Speaker 3: a few guys at the end at the beginning of
Speaker 3: my career in Saint Lewis that make me look really old?
Speaker 3: Trent Green Dante Hall about trotting out uh for for
Speaker 3: training camp and fissing Orlando pace off trying to win
Speaker 3: in one on one pass rush and he's just playing
Speaker 3: with you. I would say everybody has a different leadership
Speaker 3: style and the key is be you man like like
Speaker 3: And for Jordan, I think that was very authentically him.
Speaker 3: That's what I like about him is he's unapologetically him.
Speaker 3: I don't think anything is upfront with him. I don't
Speaker 3: think he's saying any of this to to you know,
Speaker 3: get attention, Like this is just him and this fit him.
Speaker 3: So I think it's funny. Like we talked about him
Speaker 3: being hated, I don't hate him. I like him more
Speaker 3: because he's unapologetically an asshole. You ask the guys that
Speaker 3: play with him. It depends on who you ask. I think,
Speaker 3: like Wennington talked about him testing guys, like testing guys
Speaker 3: and seeing if they back down or not. You talked
Speaker 3: about the curve fight. Okay, the Wennington point that happens
Speaker 3: in the NFL all the time, the curve fight. How
Speaker 3: many fights have you seen in fucking practice. I've seen
Speaker 3: way worse than Steve Kerr getting punched in the fucking eye.
Speaker 3: The Scott Barrell thing. Everybody was like, Oh, that's so mean.
Speaker 3: He was calling Scott Barella hooe like forty six times.
Speaker 3: I've heard so much worse. That's your daily stretch line.
Speaker 3: By the way, I think he probably loves Scott Barell.
Speaker 3: I think they hit the streets together. I think they
Speaker 3: gamble together, hung out, and I think that like people,
Speaker 3: that's what people don't understand. There aren't athletes and understand
Speaker 3: team dynamic, and I think every guy has a different
Speaker 3: dynamic with their teammates relationships, and you got to do
Speaker 3: what fits your personality. That's the way I think about it.
Speaker 3: And also, who's going to punch Jordan in the face.
Speaker 3: Everybody was like, Steve Kerney's punched Jordan in the face.
Speaker 3: You punched Jordan in the face. That's like hitting a
Speaker 3: quarterback and training camp and you're on you know, rookie minie.
Speaker 1: Getting close to his arm and yeah, like stuff.
Speaker 3: You're on spirit airlines, motherfucker, you're out of here. So
Speaker 3: that's like, who's who's gonna take a swing at Jordan. Yeah.
Speaker 2: One time when I when I was like a rookie,
Speaker 2: I was on practice squad and I almost block on
Speaker 2: accident because you kind of get thrown right into the
Speaker 2: punter and I almost take out the punter, which is
Speaker 2: like a huge no, you know what I mean, because
Speaker 2: you only got film and uh man.
Speaker 1: What was his name?
Speaker 2: Coach Burns Keith Browns Man and he's like, hey, who's
Speaker 2: forty six?
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm like, oh me.
Speaker 2: He's like, hey man, you're gonna fuck around and get
Speaker 2: a good player. We're gonna send you ass back home.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's you know, if I had a
Speaker 3: dollar for every time I heard, you know, a rookie
Speaker 3: threatened to h get bought a plane ticket home because
Speaker 3: they ran into or got close. Because I'm in a
Speaker 3: D line room and you know, you know, there's nobody
Speaker 3: that's grinding harder than rookie linemen with pads, without pads,
Speaker 3: and O linemen throw you, O lineman get beat, they hit,
Speaker 3: toss people back into the quarterback. You know, guys instinctively,
Speaker 3: and I've done this before. You win a pass rush,
Speaker 3: you kind of hold your arm up to show you
Speaker 3: had to sack, or you reach for the ball because
Speaker 3: that's kind of what you do. And young guys they're
Speaker 3: just not that fucking smart, and they're extremely motivated and
Speaker 3: everybody has a practice speed. And if your ten year vet,
Speaker 3: you probably hate the rookie and vice versa. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, like you're not gonna punch Jordan in the face.
Speaker 3: So I think it depends on who you ask. Like,
Speaker 3: you know, Phil Jackson text Winner, they were the guys,
Speaker 3: the Triangle offense guys, and you know that that took
Speaker 3: over in the early nineties. And and if you ask texts,
Speaker 3: he thought that Jordan he said in a book, he
Speaker 3: was quoted as saying that Jordan definitely wrote his teammates
Speaker 3: too hard. But then if you ask Phil Jackson, he said,
Speaker 3: like that fight was a turning point with Kurt. So
Speaker 3: I think it just depends. And I love, love, love
Speaker 3: his answer of you know, I wouldn't make my teammates
Speaker 3: do anything that I wouldn't do, because that's the number
Speaker 3: one thing I want to look for in a leader.
Speaker 3: Do you leave by example?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And he's I mean at the end of that episode,
Speaker 2: he's like crying, which I think was powerful. It's like, yo,
Speaker 2: he I mean that you said it earlier, Like that's
Speaker 2: authentically him, like he only knew it, he only knew
Speaker 2: how to do it that way. Yeah, he wanted them
Speaker 2: to experience winning like he was experiencing it.
Speaker 3: I love that sequence. That sequence made episode seven my
Speaker 3: favorite to this point. It was obviously the most personal
Speaker 3: and raw. And you talk about a guy who's cruised
Speaker 3: through narrating everything, including the death of his father, and
Speaker 3: that choked him up. And I wonder if it's just
Speaker 3: that he looks back and he's like, I wish I
Speaker 3: could have been nicer to people, like I did miss
Speaker 3: out on some relationships, that sort of thing, because I
Speaker 3: think there's an element of mj being like a fucking
Speaker 3: armchair psychologist where he does have trouble connecting with people,
Speaker 3: like you could tell, like in the locker room, like
Speaker 3: back and forth with guys, like you can tell when
Speaker 3: guys are laughing at jokes and they're just kind of like, hah, yeah,
Speaker 3: you're Michael Jordan. I don't want to get kind of
Speaker 3: got a lot, like we don't talk a lot the
Speaker 3: cameras here, like that sort of thing. I'm not saying
Speaker 3: he was a bad team and I'm just saying, like
Speaker 3: it's hard for guys to relate to somebody who's isolated
Speaker 3: himself that much because he wants to be so great
Speaker 3: and is so great, and so I think that he
Speaker 3: I think that he had trouble relating at times, I
Speaker 3: honestly do, but I think it was authentically him, and
Speaker 3: I think it kind of tore him up or he
Speaker 3: just missed it misbusting people's asses. And that's what he
Speaker 3: was crying about when he when he delivered that line.
Speaker 3: If you don't want to play like that, don't play
Speaker 3: like that, break right right?
Speaker 2: Who are Who are some of the leaders you think
Speaker 2: about throughout your career that you played with? And you
Speaker 2: might think of more when you when you were younger
Speaker 2: in your career than you did, But what are some
Speaker 2: things and qualities and guys that you would shout out
Speaker 2: that you took a lot from.
Speaker 3: Well, there's a difference in in leadership and like mentorship.
Speaker 3: I had a number of mentors, like guys that weren't
Speaker 3: necessarily great team leaders, but they were guys that I
Speaker 3: needed to bring me along as young player one on one.
Speaker 3: I think that's leadership too. But like in the broader sense,
Speaker 3: you know, you think of leadership it's team captain type shit.
Speaker 3: But you know, early in my career, guy like James Hall, Okay,
Speaker 3: like you know how this is I'm coming in as
Speaker 3: a high draft pick. You've seen this with guys like
Speaker 3: they're playing earlier than they should. There's a grizzly veteran.
Speaker 3: He's still fucking good. You're on a bad team. It's dysfunctional.
Speaker 3: I come in I shouldn't have been starting my first
Speaker 3: year in front of James Hall. He was a fifty
Speaker 3: to sixty sack career guy, played in Detroit. Real grumpy guy.
Speaker 3: Didn't talk to me, damn near the whole first year.
Speaker 3: I was afraid to ask him questions. I kind of
Speaker 3: pushed up on his job and I didn't deserve it yet.
Speaker 3: And you know, like fast forward three years into my career.
Speaker 3: He's the single most impactful veteran I had because once
Speaker 3: I earned his respect, we became best friends. We climb
Speaker 3: Kelly together. He's who I went with the first time.
Speaker 3: He came to my wedding. We talked the other night
Speaker 3: for thirty minutes on the phone, like we did not
Speaker 3: talk for a whole year. But that was leadership in
Speaker 3: an individual, you know, setting because he knew what buttons
Speaker 3: he had to push with me, And all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: you know, he's not answering my questions or he's ignoring
Speaker 3: me flat out at the locker I'm following him in
Speaker 3: the film room, I'm like, Hey, what do I do here?
Speaker 3: What do I do here? And I just annoyed him
Speaker 3: and worked my ass off till he respected me. Now, leadership,
Speaker 3: I would say I'll just pick two Patriots offense and defense.
Speaker 3: Dante high Tower one of the best leaders I've ever
Speaker 3: been around. Not only a badass football player, criminally underrated,
Speaker 3: but he he was a guy that related to everybody
Speaker 3: in the in the locker room. I think relatability is huge,
Speaker 3: as you know, Like if you can go to any
Speaker 3: lockero and talk to the guys in the locker room authentically,
Speaker 3: you're a fucking candidate to be a leader. A gel guy,
Speaker 3: a blue guy. He was that guy. But he was
Speaker 3: also a guy can motherfuck you, And he was usually
Speaker 3: in the right place, so he wasn't being a hypocrite
Speaker 3: and I've seen him cuss people out. I love the
Speaker 3: standard he set. Also, Matt Slater. Matt Slater is one
Speaker 3: of the greatest people I've ever played with, one of
Speaker 3: the best leaders I've ever played with, and on a
Speaker 3: team with big names. Tom Brady, Julian Edelman, that sort
Speaker 3: of thing, Like, those two guys are the leaders to me. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and Slate under the radar is absolutely integral to that
Speaker 3: team and he has compassion. He's that type of guy.
Speaker 3: So everybody's got a different type of leadership. And those
Speaker 3: two guys just stood out to me late in my career.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean arguably in our profession.
Speaker 2: Tom Brady is arguably the goat in the NFL and
Speaker 2: you have you know, we're witnessing this documentary of the goat.
Speaker 2: You know, debatable, arguable in NBA. What would you say
Speaker 2: differences are with Tom and Michael Jordan?
Speaker 3: Uh, big difference. Uh, you know Tom, you see the
Speaker 3: fiery Tom on the sideline, And like I said, everybody's different.
Speaker 3: Tom to me is the goat as far as the
Speaker 3: quarterback is concerned. And when you're the the head of
Speaker 3: the snake as they say you are, you know, front
Speaker 3: of the line, if you're the goat quarterback, you're the
Speaker 3: goat football player in my opinion. And uh, you know,
Speaker 3: he was humble, he was down to earth. Everybody on
Speaker 3: TVCs him cussing people out, throwing the tablet. Uh, you
Speaker 3: know that type of shit. You don't want to and
Speaker 3: I was never a receiver, so I never got that ship.
Speaker 3: Like he was always nice to me because I was
Speaker 3: a d lineman. There was no nothing he could cuss
Speaker 3: me out about. But I just thought Tom was the
Speaker 3: most every man goat I ever played with, Like, treated
Speaker 3: everybody in the building with respect, introduced himself to everybody.
Speaker 3: I know. I told this story before and some people
Speaker 3: were like, what's the big deal you introduced himself to you.
Speaker 3: I'm like, motherfucker. When I walk in on my first
Speaker 3: day and Tom Brady walks up to me and shakes
Speaker 3: my hand and he's like, I'm Tom Brady, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: I know, Like that's a little thing. But that was
Speaker 3: emblematic of what he did every day. And you know,
Speaker 3: he knew when to turn it on, when to be
Speaker 3: an asshole, when not to be an asshole. I think, Jordan,
Speaker 3: from what I understand, and this was a psychological thing.
Speaker 3: In seven and eight, he was damn near like the
Speaker 3: player and the coach. He was Bill Belichick and Tom
Speaker 3: Brady at the same time. You know, and when you
Speaker 3: talk to Steve Kerr, Steve Kerr says he played with
Speaker 3: you know well knowing Tim Duncan Okay, you play, You're
Speaker 3: playing with Tim Duncan, the other leaders that he knows
Speaker 3: of the in the NBA. You played with him, and
Speaker 3: it felt like you played with and for Michael Jordan.
Speaker 3: So I think that, honestly, that baseball break for him
Speaker 3: was partially a big deal because he didn't have to
Speaker 3: be a coach and a player and he could get led,
Speaker 3: Like when was the last time Michael Jordan got led?
Speaker 3: And so I think that was a nice break for him.
Speaker 3: I think, you know, Tom and Mike, it's just different.
Speaker 3: Fifty three guys on the team five got here, you know,
Speaker 3: twelve thirteen, but they're both to goat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, shifting a little bit. You're retired now, Yeah,
Speaker 2: what what is life like being retired?
Speaker 1: How you play? What? Eleven years?
Speaker 3: Eleven years? Yeah, like, what is life like for you now?
Speaker 3: It's awesome. It's been one of the best years of
Speaker 3: my life. I think a lot of it has to
Speaker 3: do with me going out in a way that I
Speaker 3: was was comfortable with, you know, on my terms, and
Speaker 3: going out still playing well. So while it's still sometimes
Speaker 3: I miss it, and there's times where you know that
Speaker 3: that you know, competitor and me pokes his head out
Speaker 3: and I'm watching a game and I'm like, I can
Speaker 3: make that fucking player. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2: Like I could still do Yeah, you still feel like
Speaker 2: you can go out there and make the point.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But also it's nice to say, you know what,
Speaker 3: I'd rather have a little bit in the tank than nothing.
Speaker 3: And I can say that because when you have nothing
Speaker 3: in the tank as a football player, it's not just effort,
Speaker 3: it's your livelihood. And I'm healthy, I can play with
Speaker 3: my kids. My dad played thirteen years in the league
Speaker 3: in the old CBA days. I know what that looks like.
Speaker 3: I don't want to look like that when I'm sixty.
Speaker 3: Not in the face, my man looks flawless, but yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean he looks like Benjamin Button. But you know,
Speaker 3: you see him try to do an external row with
Speaker 3: a band. I mean, like, my man is jacked up.
Speaker 3: And I didn't want to be like that. So this
Speaker 3: has been the best year of my life down there.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've been under the gun. Really, any NFL
Speaker 3: football player has been under the gun for you know,
Speaker 3: if you play eleven years in the league and in
Speaker 3: high school, I was working towards the scholarship, you know,
Speaker 3: I was lifting after practice. I was staying at the
Speaker 3: facility till eight pm. Like I've been working towards this
Speaker 3: my whole life. So it's twenty years of being under
Speaker 3: the gun. It feels great to be out.
Speaker 1: Girl.
Speaker 2: You mentioned like being that extra, that hard worker growing
Speaker 2: up when you were growing up in a family.
Speaker 3: Like you have.
Speaker 2: You have your younger brother, he's a stud. Your mom
Speaker 2: is a stud too. Wasn't she a tennis player?
Speaker 3: Yeah? She was good. She was a good athlete, good swimmer.
Speaker 3: She still plays some tennis. And then my wife and
Speaker 3: her like have this rivalry.
Speaker 2: Now, So did you ever feel like that expectation. I'm
Speaker 2: sure you've been asked in a lot, but did you
Speaker 2: ever feel those expectations? Maybe not specifically from your family
Speaker 2: because maybe your dad just gets it. Yeah, like those
Speaker 2: coaches and friends and people just growing up thinking like
Speaker 2: I know, everyone expects me to be the next HOWI long?
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it's it's tough because you know, like you mentioned,
Speaker 3: my dad actually wasn't some like varsity blues dad, right,
Speaker 3: He was like very He didn't push me towards football.
Speaker 3: In fact, like he was the one who was more
Speaker 3: of an anchor for my ego. I mean he was like,
Speaker 3: you know, you'd be lucky. You know, maybe you could
Speaker 3: get a D one offer and you know, maybe you're
Speaker 3: athletic enough to play D line, but I would work
Speaker 3: on your guard sets. He still says he didn't say
Speaker 3: that shit, but I mean, like he didn't make it
Speaker 3: seem like a like a big deal that he was
Speaker 3: my dad. And he also tried to raise me the
Speaker 3: way you know he would want to be raised, which
Speaker 3: was with humility and just work ethic. Whatever you do,
Speaker 3: you excel at that. It doesn't have to be football.
Speaker 3: But it turned out to be football. And I'd say,
Speaker 3: if you're taking that path, you know, certainly high draft
Speaker 3: pick for star recruit coming out, there's a lot of
Speaker 3: ways that those guys skipped to the front of line.
Speaker 3: But also I look at some guys who, you know,
Speaker 3: thumbma knows it, guys who who had backgrounds like this
Speaker 3: or whatever. There's a flip side to that coin. And
Speaker 3: that's that flip side is pressure. You know, I asked
Speaker 3: those guys, you ever walk in a room and everybody
Speaker 3: dislikes you and has a preconceived notion about you.
Speaker 2: That I was already thinking about that rookie year when
Speaker 2: you were talking about you took you took your boy's job,
Speaker 2: and I can only assume what your probably image was
Speaker 2: right when you walked in that building, Like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, it's not only you're not
Speaker 3: only a high draft pick. Everybody assumes that you hit
Speaker 3: the genetic lottery, which, by the way, I'm the third
Speaker 3: best athlete in my family maybe fourth.
Speaker 2: Uh and and also it's a solid family. Though I
Speaker 2: would be one of those haters. I'd be like, yo,
Speaker 2: Chris Long, he's got the genetic dude.
Speaker 3: Yeah, your salty. Here's the thing about fucking genetics. What
Speaker 3: about all the other guys in the league. Do they
Speaker 3: have shitty genetics? Like, and they're all going to pass
Speaker 3: genetics down to kids in the generation later and people
Speaker 3: are gonna be saying that about their kids. Uh So
Speaker 3: did genetics change from their generation to the next? Like
Speaker 3: I think as my son probably just fell down or
Speaker 3: some shit.
Speaker 2: Hold on, we were talking about the genetics and I
Speaker 2: was the buddle was going to be whoever's perceived to
Speaker 2: be better than me than that means they just have
Speaker 2: better genetics than me.
Speaker 3: Well yeah I can say that too, Like, you know
Speaker 3: this from playing in the NFL, Like I listen, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm not bullshit, and you there were very few teams
Speaker 3: where I was a top ten athlete on the team.
Speaker 3: And that's the funny thing is when your Howie Long's sun,
Speaker 3: everybody assumes you could just hit a lot of You know,
Speaker 3: my dad's more athletic than me. I had to work
Speaker 3: for everything I had. And you know, there's some people
Speaker 3: you never convinced that, and that's fine, but those are
Speaker 3: people who are sidelined people. And there are also people
Speaker 3: that don't understand that when when you're marked like that,
Speaker 3: a great career in the NFL for eleven years, two
Speaker 3: super Bowls, seventy sacks, all that shit, like team captain,
Speaker 3: that's a dream for everybody else. But you still have
Speaker 3: these nobodies that are like on the sideline, like you
Speaker 3: never be your dad. I'm like, will you never be me?
Speaker 3: Like who gives a fuck? Like you're not me and
Speaker 3: I'm not him, And really it doesn't matter. And I'm
Speaker 3: tougher than you because I had to deal with that
Speaker 3: pressure in my whole life, and so that was like
Speaker 3: a skin of armor for me. If I get in
Speaker 3: the league and people are looking at me like this,
Speaker 3: dude's probably soft or whatever like that made me tougher
Speaker 3: and you didn't have that, and I did. Okay, maybe
Speaker 3: you're tougher in a lot of other ways, but I
Speaker 3: had that and you did.
Speaker 2: Yo, you just say you just fired me the fuck up, Chris.
Speaker 2: I was getting up in my seat and everything as ah.
Speaker 3: Come back, Where was I going?
Speaker 1: Where was I going?
Speaker 3: With that?
Speaker 2: You legit, you legit had me fired up for a moment.
Speaker 3: Because I like to talk shit, okay, because because I
Speaker 3: had to talk a lot of ship and this is it,
Speaker 3: and this is the thing is like you know, when you're.
Speaker 2: You, I can tell you had to talk a lot
Speaker 2: of ship. It seems like you've been in this conversation
Speaker 2: plenty of times, Like I didn't even go there, and
Speaker 2: you just like you know, if somebody wants to talk
Speaker 2: ship there aside.
Speaker 3: You know, you have much crazy shit I've heard over that,
Speaker 3: Like it's insane, like the way people twist certain things
Speaker 3: based on that. So like, yeah, is it awesome? It's
Speaker 3: awesome to have a dad that played. He understands the game,
Speaker 3: he understands what I'm going through. You know, that's great. Uh,
Speaker 3: And also football gave him, you know, his kids a
Speaker 3: life that he never had, Like, you know, he grew
Speaker 3: up in Charlestown with not a lot and he had
Speaker 3: you know, family members that helped him through. But it
Speaker 3: wasn't you know, it wasn't an easy childhood. Uh for me,
Speaker 3: I got that from football. So I would never resent
Speaker 3: my pops career. In fact, I love it. I like
Speaker 3: I my dad is is like my best friend. So
Speaker 3: there's people that are like, is it annoying whatever? I'm like, Nah,
Speaker 3: not really. You know, I've been extremely blessed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: All those accolades you mentioned earlier that you have.
Speaker 2: Accomplished in the NFL, the WATERBOYL organization, being host of
Speaker 2: green Light Pod, what is your favorite what is your
Speaker 2: favorite stat line? Of all of those accolades, what would
Speaker 2: you say you're most proud of?
Speaker 3: Uh? You know, football wise, I mean, like listen, podcasting
Speaker 3: is hard and you're you know this too. I mean
Speaker 3: it's really hard. So this is a this is sometimes
Speaker 3: I'm more proud of a good pod than I was
Speaker 3: a good game.
Speaker 1: Uh dude, doesn't it hype you up?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 2: You're like, I can do I got my when we
Speaker 2: got our first, like small little sponsorship check. I wrote
Speaker 2: about this in one of my blogs. I was like,
Speaker 2: I was so fired up. I felt like I was
Speaker 2: getting a game check because we had earned that, like
Speaker 2: we had created it, Like we did. You made it
Speaker 2: to this little fun shit.
Speaker 3: And it's and it's and you're entering a world of
Speaker 3: very smart people that would have called you a meathead.
Speaker 3: And yes, so I guess on the field it would be.
Speaker 3: You know, I had a four year stretch that was
Speaker 3: really good in Saint Louis. You know, forty sacks in
Speaker 3: four years, and I'm proud of that because there weren't
Speaker 3: a lot of guys that do forty and four years.
Speaker 3: I mean, there were some good rushers that did that,
Speaker 3: but you know, for a while there I had a
Speaker 3: really good run individually and on bad teams too. So
Speaker 3: that was overcoming adversity and that sort of thing. You know. Obviously,
Speaker 3: the team stuff for me is being lucky enough to
Speaker 3: be a part two Super Bowl teams. There's a lot
Speaker 3: of luck involved in that. You got to choose the
Speaker 3: right place and free agency, et cetera, and a lot
Speaker 3: has to go right for you to be on a team.
Speaker 3: That's why I don't like judging people on super Bowls.
Speaker 3: That's why for me, I almost sometimes when I resent
Speaker 3: the fact that, you know, I had a career that
Speaker 3: was really productive and people will be like super Bowl Champion.
Speaker 3: There he is, I'm like, whoa, hey, sir.
Speaker 4: Did you guys hear me? Hey, good boy, I'm in
Speaker 4: this thing.
Speaker 2: Damn it, Chris.
Speaker 4: I'm having a huge issue with these Zoom podcasts because
Speaker 4: every fucking guy we have on this thing, it's always
Speaker 4: one handsome son of a bitch. It makes us look
Speaker 4: locally as ship. Again, he was Chase Rice and now
Speaker 4: you got dam Did people say we're twins? Really? Yes, dude,
Speaker 4: that would be a deadly duo. That would be an
Speaker 4: absolutely terrifying duo.
Speaker 3: You know he played at UNC. You probably talked about
Speaker 3: all this. Yeah he did.
Speaker 4: And I tell you what he said too, And I
Speaker 4: know you can attest to this is when people say, oh,
Speaker 4: I played I played here, or I played there, I
Speaker 4: did this and that and the other. I could have
Speaker 4: gone to the NFL, however injury. However, coach didn't like me,
Speaker 4: so I had it. We had a little little square,
Speaker 4: a little qualm with him about that. I'm not sure
Speaker 4: did he do it. He said that he he he
Speaker 4: brought up the fact that he did get injured. He
Speaker 4: had a big season. He was in front of Zach Brown,
Speaker 4: who did end up going to the NFL. So you
Speaker 4: got to respect that.
Speaker 1: Oh, you know Zach Brown, you know, I know.
Speaker 3: I know stories that I know. He he uh. He
Speaker 3: found his way out of Philly in the most spectacular.
Speaker 2: Fashion, in the best fucking way.
Speaker 3: Dude just got there. He pissed somebody off and then
Speaker 3: they got torched by said somebody, and then he was gone.
Speaker 4: So funny, dude, that's such a that's such a Zach
Speaker 4: Broun thing. Zach Brown shout out to people that just
Speaker 4: do whatever the hell they want. Yeah, Frank Sinatra my way.
Speaker 4: You know what, if you live by that song, good
Speaker 4: for you, man, good for you. You can't you can't
Speaker 4: all be sellouts.
Speaker 3: You're you're the master your universe. Man. And like I
Speaker 3: envy those people, Like I like to think I got
Speaker 3: a solid I got more in the pen. Do you
Speaker 3: like to put a pinch of salt in the recipe?
Speaker 3: I got more than a pincher. You don't give a fuck.
Speaker 3: But Zach Brown got like a tablespoon.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, here's that was the main course, No question,
Speaker 4: you definitely did. But that's a good thing, man, People
Speaker 4: don't Marilyn Monroe said, no one got no one ever
Speaker 4: gets remembered following following the rules, you know. I mean,
Speaker 4: that's that's a big thing. I'm all about that. I
Speaker 4: respect the ship out of that dude. But anyway, going
Speaker 4: going back to Chase Rice real quick yet he said, hey, Chris,
Speaker 4: just know the.
Speaker 2: Boys on and your podcast is over.
Speaker 1: Dude, We're hosting Taylor.
Speaker 2: Now. Hey, this is green Light Podcast featuring I Love
Speaker 2: and our guest is Tande of the line.
Speaker 4: I just will, I just want. I didn't want to
Speaker 4: go on this podcast start talking about Chase Resse. Could
Speaker 4: have would have should have cut to attitude and not
Speaker 4: say that. I believe he could have actually made in
Speaker 4: the NFL. I was just giving him a hard time.
Speaker 1: He's a boy.
Speaker 4: Gotta respect him, stumbling as the.
Speaker 3: Ranch athletic dude, good dude, and uh man his concerts
Speaker 3: if the ladies love him?
Speaker 2: Oh no, quesh, we got him around the Bachelor too.
Speaker 2: When he was on the Bachelor, he told us the
Speaker 2: whole spiel.
Speaker 1: Dude.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he's got a square jaw man. He's got
Speaker 3: a jaw that can cut glass. And that's coming from
Speaker 3: somebody with with a sizable mandible.
Speaker 4: I tell you what, dude, jealousy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you got them cat eyes.
Speaker 4: Boy, Hey, I got them eyes. That's about it. From here, Hey,
Speaker 4: I'm the prettiest woman in the world. From here to here, baby,
Speaker 4: and they're there. Every girl envyes this ship. After that,
Speaker 4: it's like small piece, y'all. Line, offensive lineman. Life's a
Speaker 4: little tough out here for the boy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you, o, lineman, get really pigeonholed on the I
Speaker 3: think every big white old lineman that walks in the room,
Speaker 3: everybody assumes he has a small piece. And I.
Speaker 2: Just you know there, you don't just come up with
Speaker 2: those stereotypes, you know what I mean, Like, there's some
Speaker 2: data behind it, Dude. Three, That's who I'm standing by
Speaker 2: in the shower if if I'm going in, Dude, it's
Speaker 2: an old line.
Speaker 3: I feel like you guys did We went overboard with
Speaker 3: the shower talk once before and baits he got mad
Speaker 3: at you, Darren Bates.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we talked about we were on a
Speaker 2: meat peeking segment there for a second legend, Dude, dB
Speaker 2: is such a legend.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 2: Like when that came about, I walked up to him
Speaker 2: on the sideline. It was just because me and him,
Speaker 2: like we just had that funny little we were like
Speaker 2: the backups in that in the linebacker room and his
Speaker 2: locker is.
Speaker 1: Right next to mine with his little boom box and everything.
Speaker 1: Walk dB.
Speaker 2: How many of these guys you think would admit to
Speaker 2: meet peeking in the showery cam? You Wow, boy, he's
Speaker 2: a you know, dB bos sixty.
Speaker 3: You've got a tablespoon of Memphis and the man's he's
Speaker 3: a Memphis dude. I love that guy.
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Speaker 3: Oh I am because my son's been all day.
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Speaker 3: My son's been making cookies all day. Bro, you can
Speaker 3: only make cookies so many times during the pandemic and
Speaker 3: act like we didn't do it last week. But I
Speaker 3: don't know that until I'm eight o'clock at night wandering
Speaker 3: around the fucking pantry like I'm lost. I don't have
Speaker 3: a road map, and I keep walking back in and
Speaker 3: walking back in. Hey, let me just say this. Don't
Speaker 3: get high in the kitchen if you eat an edible,
Speaker 3: don't do your work at night in the kitchen. Go
Speaker 3: upstairs because you'd be too lazy to walk downstairs. The
Speaker 3: biggest life hack in the world. Do you only eat dessert?
Speaker 3: If you want to eat dessert, you make that decision.
Speaker 4: No question, Oh, I you know.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately I make that decision that mistake. I've made it
Speaker 2: several times in the quarantine world. He never doesn't matter
Speaker 2: how lazy I am. Right when we get we'll get
Speaker 2: down playing risk. I'll walk right on downstairs. Though About
Speaker 2: what are we gotten here?
Speaker 1: Boys?
Speaker 2: Who's getting destroyed tonight?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: What's an edible? What are you guys talking about?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: He can't nothing that you know, nothing that you know
Speaker 2: about you? Yeah, it our young son.
Speaker 4: That Devil's let us everyone's talking about. It's all the
Speaker 4: new rage. Is that what everyone's talking about?
Speaker 3: The Devil's let us? You're you're you got a little
Speaker 3: chairub down there.
Speaker 4: Hey, I'm in the Bible belt.
Speaker 3: Baby. Yea we whoa whoa baby.
Speaker 2: Speaking?
Speaker 4: Okay, So just going on that a little bit. I
Speaker 4: think right after you retire, one of your first like
Speaker 4: comments you made was something about marijuana. Do you guys
Speaker 4: already talk about this?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: No, dude, I'm just laughing because you just came in
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna be honest, like Chris, this is the
Speaker 2: best tailor of wine we've gotten because it's always been
Speaker 2: on the phone. It's blurry, there's no microphone, it's the phone. Like,
Speaker 2: I'm stoked and proud right now, because he sounds like
Speaker 2: a pro.
Speaker 1: He's holding that marker moving around.
Speaker 2: He's like, all right, let's go into that a little
Speaker 2: bit after.
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Speaker 3: Baby.
Speaker 4: You know why it's blank back here, Chris. A lot
Speaker 4: of room, a lot of real estate to sell our soul,
Speaker 4: baby us. You want to put a big leaf up here.
Speaker 4: If you just let you just pay the bucks, that's
Speaker 4: all we need.
Speaker 3: Hashtag goals. You can write all your hashtag goals and
Speaker 3: you know, right, a fake workout plan and put it
Speaker 3: online like everybody else, no question, like fake this champion.
Speaker 3: I got in trouble, not in trouble because I I
Speaker 3: get in trouble. I think here's the problem toy in.
Speaker 3: You know, uh, Nashville is not a huge football market.
Speaker 3: It's a great football market, but it's not a national
Speaker 3: market where if you say something it's going to hit
Speaker 3: the fan. For eight years in Saint Louis, you know,
Speaker 3: we were bad and nobody was watching us outside Saint Louis.
Speaker 3: So you know there were people that when I got
Speaker 3: to New England and in Philly, they were like, who
Speaker 3: is this guy? Like I've never seen him play football? Before.
Speaker 3: I've been in the league at TAM decade, Okay, so
Speaker 3: I would never get in trouble for saying anything. So
Speaker 3: I got conditioned to saying whatever the fuck I want.
Speaker 3: I go on, Dan Patrick, and I'm retired, and I've
Speaker 3: also I also assume people my musical taste. You know,
Speaker 3: some of my tweets late at night, Uh, some of
Speaker 3: the subject matter I like to cover. I assume people
Speaker 3: know that, you know, I like the medicine. And Dan
Speaker 3: Patrick asked me something about marijuana, and I'm like, it's
Speaker 3: not a big deal, Like you know, I have my
Speaker 3: fair share. Like on to the next point. It's it's
Speaker 3: are people that naive?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: I think it's at the point right now in the
Speaker 4: world in not the world the United States where it's
Speaker 4: such a it's such a new thing. My wife's from
Speaker 4: British Columbia, and British Columbia smoking marijuana is like having
Speaker 4: a beer. It's like, hey, hey, we're.
Speaker 1: Having a hoot.
Speaker 4: Change a couple of channels. Not trying to rewire the
Speaker 4: whole system, but it's kind of like the thing that's
Speaker 4: like their deal up there. So my wife comes down
Speaker 4: and you know, you know, it's everywhere people are saying smoking,
Speaker 4: and everyone's like, oh secretive. My wife's like, I don't
Speaker 4: understand why everyone's so weird out, Like that's just that's
Speaker 4: a thing, and it's crazy the bubble we live in America,
Speaker 4: Like what is so taboo and what's not?
Speaker 3: Well, it's funny. There's some people that really there's a
Speaker 3: whole host of people for reasons that we won't get
Speaker 3: into on this pod, that anything I say or do
Speaker 3: they don't like. And their response was very quickly like yeah,
Speaker 3: do we get it? You smoke? Like dude with you know,
Speaker 3: bonging a beer in his profile picture, I'm like, okay, dude,
Speaker 3: you know what you're doing is a little bit more
Speaker 3: extreme than what I'm doing. I'm hitting my pen and
Speaker 3: drifting off to sleep or watching a funny movie. You're
Speaker 3: going out and getting beat up at a bar, or
Speaker 3: you know, ruining your marriage because you're blackout drunk. Like
Speaker 3: I like to drink. I still drink. I haven't drank
Speaker 3: a lot in Quarantine. I still like getting fucked up
Speaker 3: hanging out with my buddies and excuse to drink beer.
Speaker 3: I love it, but I bring my pen with me,
Speaker 3: you know, Like it's just what I do is not
Speaker 3: a problem. It's not harming anybody else, And what a
Speaker 3: lot of guys in the league do is not a problem.
Speaker 3: It's not harming anybody else. And I think it's good
Speaker 3: that in the new CBA they move things a little
Speaker 3: bit towards like an imaginary you know rule. It's it's
Speaker 3: kind of imaginary rule.
Speaker 4: Well, it was already kind of like that, right, Like
Speaker 4: it's it's kind of They call it the stupid test.
Speaker 3: In the NFL.
Speaker 4: You fail, Yes, it's because you're an idiot, because literally
Speaker 4: the time you can get tested is before twenty As
Speaker 4: if that wasn't a coincidence, right, yeah, twentieth to the
Speaker 4: end of OTA is in the first two weeks of camp.
Speaker 3: But the only time you can get tested you just
Speaker 3: sounded like Crystaliah.
Speaker 4: Well, don't say that. Oh wow, we're trying to We're
Speaker 4: stealing his stuff. We steal it all the time. Yes, dude,
Speaker 4: it's bad.
Speaker 1: We can get sued so bad.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we can get sued, so bas.
Speaker 3: Dude, So stupid, dude. Just Instagram page is awesome. I
Speaker 3: don't know if I'm allowed to say that here, but
Speaker 3: I guess my thing is you know, the more you
Speaker 3: normalize it, it's not a big deal. I don't I
Speaker 3: don't profess for it to be a big deal. You know,
Speaker 3: I would say to a fan who's looking at me crazy,
Speaker 3: like you're making it a big deal. Literally, it is
Speaker 3: not a big deal. And you know, all these things
Speaker 3: that you know, you would think you were praising me
Speaker 3: for charitable contributions, Walter pay Man of the ear, all
Speaker 3: that ship whatever. You think, I'm some angel, and I
Speaker 3: am an angel. I am an angel that smokes the
Speaker 3: devil's lettuce. And it makes no difference. Like you can
Speaker 3: do all these great things in life, and you can
Speaker 3: do had things in life too. It's not your character.
Speaker 3: And the thing that annoyed me, my biggest pet peeve
Speaker 3: by of that whole thing was not people that called
Speaker 3: me some degenerate. It was people that thought they were
Speaker 3: like they were like my boys all of a sudden
Speaker 3: because they know exactly who I am, because I smoke
Speaker 3: wheed or like everything I'm doing now, they're like, oh,
Speaker 3: well you're high, let's meet and smoke a jay. I'm like, dude,
Speaker 3: Like my entire life doesn't revolve around that. It's something
Speaker 3: that I do. It's a part of my life, but
Speaker 3: it's not much more of a part where it's a
Speaker 3: bigger part than briers for no ice cream. But I
Speaker 3: was gonna say, like, it's not a bigger part than
Speaker 3: ice cream, Like you're not judging me because I eat
Speaker 3: ice cream. That's not character altering. It's not a big deal.
Speaker 2: I think in like a decade, we're going to look
Speaker 2: back at this time and we're like, oh, we were
Speaker 2: so stupid just caring about the morons.
Speaker 3: It was like the people in prohibition. The people in
Speaker 3: prohibition were way smarter. Alcohol rex lives. And I'm not
Speaker 3: saying that we should stop drinking, because I am completely
Speaker 3: I got cognitive dissonance or whatever smart people call it
Speaker 3: where I'm not sure what to think about booze. I mean,
Speaker 3: like I would never wanted to go away, and I
Speaker 3: know it's extremely harmful and his ruined. You know, my
Speaker 3: life could be twenty percent more productive and better. But
Speaker 3: I like being drunk sometimes. But but marijuana, there's just
Speaker 3: not that there's there's not that element.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I feel like you're not like for people
Speaker 4: to think that you weren't smoking we and just look
Speaker 4: at the background of your room, like Jesus Christ, my friend. Like,
Speaker 4: it's a dreamas damn thing I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 3: This is a new room, this is the way the devil.
Speaker 3: Devil's lettuce is really taking a hold.
Speaker 4: You probably gotta grow right right behind your camera right now.
Speaker 4: You're probably staring at it.
Speaker 2: You can't say that, Hey, when was your first time?
Speaker 2: When was the first time you've laid out you? When
Speaker 2: was the first time you smoked?
Speaker 3: Honestly, like, I'm not one of those people that started
Speaker 3: in like high school, was in college, it was it
Speaker 3: was boys the Idaho. It was boys the Idaho.
Speaker 1: He's smiling. It must be a story.
Speaker 3: There wasn't much of a story. We went out and
Speaker 3: got some forty ouncers and uh and we uh we
Speaker 3: watched Bring It On, and Uh, I got stuck. I'm
Speaker 3: like stuck on the couch, you know, Gabrielle Union whoever
Speaker 3: else is in that movie, and I'm just like, what
Speaker 3: the fuck is this movie? And why can't I move?
Speaker 2: And you know, that.
Speaker 3: Was the first time, And honestly, for me, it was
Speaker 3: you know, I went through phases in my career because
Speaker 3: there were some people that told me, like, you know,
Speaker 3: it's bad for your your your testosterone or it's bad
Speaker 3: for like your whatever, and I would try to experiment
Speaker 3: with like stopping and whatever. But there was a period
Speaker 3: of my career where I was popping sleeping pills and
Speaker 3: you know how easy you can get pills in the NFL.
Speaker 3: I was popping sleeping pills in a bad way, I mean,
Speaker 3: lunessa just eating them and uh really, and that was
Speaker 3: altering kind of my mood and my personality. There's some
Speaker 3: bad rebound shit on stuff like that. And also the
Speaker 3: anxiety was, like, I can't sleep without a pill. That's terrible,
Speaker 3: and a lot of people go down the road and
Speaker 3: it sucks. And you know, probably the best day of
Speaker 3: my life from a health standpoint was getting rid of
Speaker 3: those those lunesas and those sleeping pills and not having
Speaker 3: to use that stuff anymore and finding a good strain
Speaker 3: because like back in the day, you just smoked whatever
Speaker 3: you could get, you know, g Miller, whatever it was.
Speaker 3: And then like at a point in my career, things
Speaker 3: got more specialized because you know, dispensaries opened and people
Speaker 3: had specific strains, and people all of a sudden were
Speaker 3: snobby about it, or maybe it was like that in
Speaker 3: the eighties and nineties and I didn't know it, but
Speaker 3: I grew up to where I could get like, okay,
Speaker 3: this is an Indica. This is gonna put me down
Speaker 3: like an elephant train gun And that changed my life.
Speaker 1: Yo, that's funny.
Speaker 4: When did being just walked up on me? That's my daughter.
Speaker 2: She's two.
Speaker 1: She's turning through.
Speaker 4: She's like talking, but she's also like doing like like
Speaker 4: she just still does like Gabby, like the Gabby thing.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, I like that, like one of those
Speaker 4: minions and I'm like, hey, can you go see your
Speaker 4: mom please. Daddy's trying to talk to a man about
Speaker 4: marijuana right now. Can you please marijuana?
Speaker 2: Marijuana right now?
Speaker 3: Your eyes you're gonna get addicted to marijuana through the screen.
Speaker 4: Oh man, virtual eyes. When please go in here and watch.
Speaker 3: Paw patrol, well patrol by the way you hear the
Speaker 3: coming out with a new character this summer, are they
Speaker 3: really got to pay more attention When you got that
Speaker 3: background and a nolis on player.
Speaker 4: That's big time, baby, that's a big time I got.
Speaker 4: I gotta get on that because I'm looking for you know,
Speaker 4: July fifth is their birthday. I gotta look for birthday
Speaker 4: gifts and Mom doesn't even know about that. So I'm
Speaker 4: gonna I'm gonna be.
Speaker 3: On there, get the new Paw Patrol character. It's gonna
Speaker 3: be the hottest thing out. It's gonna be like the
Speaker 3: Ferbies were.
Speaker 4: Hey, Ferbies were a big deal.
Speaker 3: Hebies took the world by storm. Ferbies were the two
Speaker 3: thousands version of the Cabbage Batch Kids.
Speaker 1: No question.
Speaker 3: They were elite and they had like a ten year run.
Speaker 3: I feel likebies. Ferbies didn't have a TV show, though.
Speaker 3: I would say that Pokemon like that era.
Speaker 1: That's what I was about, catch them.
Speaker 4: Pikachu like for me, I was I was out there
Speaker 4: wheeling a deal in them card huge, Pokemon.
Speaker 2: Kid huge.
Speaker 3: Or something, and I just missed the boat.
Speaker 4: Well, were you to be fair, You're a lot older
Speaker 4: than us, you know.
Speaker 3: I forget that sometimes.
Speaker 1: How old are you?
Speaker 3: Thirty five?
Speaker 2: Oh my god? Start to get five years?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: What are you twenty eight?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I like to talk about my age on on camera.
Speaker 3: But YEAHI twenties and that's like the worst time of
Speaker 3: your life. The twenties thirties is so much better, dude.
Speaker 3: I swear I'm a.
Speaker 4: Firm believer that once you hit thirty it's you're literally
Speaker 4: you might as well just be.
Speaker 3: A ghost like you. I used to be the most fatalistic,
Speaker 3: Like I approach life like you know, every day I
Speaker 3: think about dying of old age, Like I'm like, my
Speaker 3: time's running out. I got to do more shit, I'm
Speaker 3: running out of time, like I need to I need
Speaker 3: to attack this, like and then I sleep in and
Speaker 3: take a nap. But I had that general attitude. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's because it's because, uh, you know, life short. And
Speaker 3: when I was in my twenties, I thought the same
Speaker 3: way as you. But I turned turned thirty, and my
Speaker 3: life got more peaceful. You kind of calm down. I
Speaker 3: used to be just like a wild dog. And it's
Speaker 3: not the worst thing to be a little bit domesticated,
Speaker 3: and and and and and and enjoy your life and
Speaker 3: slow things down and realize you don't have to be
Speaker 3: out one hundred was an hour you know in your
Speaker 3: life all the time. Having kids slowed me down, like
Speaker 3: you know, having my two kids and you know, being
Speaker 3: a dad. Now you realize all of a sudden, you're like, Okay,
Speaker 3: this is what was missing my entire twenties. I was
Speaker 3: like overcompensating for something, like I'm chasing something in my life,
Speaker 3: like an achievement or whether it was football or whatever.
Speaker 3: Your job is, like keeping your kids happy is all
Speaker 3: the fucking matters now, and having a great podcast.
Speaker 4: That is well, that is a very important point at
Speaker 4: the end there. I think for me, I agree with
Speaker 4: you a lot. I think when I was early twenties,
Speaker 4: like I was in college, like the only thing that
Speaker 4: mattered was getting that duble on Saturday and how much
Speaker 4: booze can I drink between Saturday night and Friday? You
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. I cut it off Thursday because
Speaker 4: I was I was, I was a pro. Then the
Speaker 4: off Yeah, no question where I came with the drinking,
Speaker 4: like you just gotta get like literally like that was
Speaker 4: how I was wired. I was like, I gotta I'm
Speaker 4: chasing girls, I'm drinking beer whatever, and then you think
Speaker 4: that's it, Like I just want to do this and
Speaker 4: have fun and lift weights and I was playing meathead
Speaker 4: And the older I get, like, my biggest anxiety now
Speaker 4: is realizing that there's so much to do in this world.
Speaker 4: There's so much that you there's so many lives you
Speaker 4: can live, there's so many things you can experience, and
Speaker 4: I almost have anxiety of what if I'm not doing enough? Yeah,
Speaker 4: I do a podcast, I do I do business stuff.
Speaker 4: I obviously football is my my number one, my main
Speaker 4: thing as far as like from a business standpoint. I
Speaker 4: have a family, I have a daughter, I have a
Speaker 4: kid on the way. But it's like a lot of
Speaker 4: times that land bed at night. The things that do
Speaker 4: keep me up is like, what aren't I doing that
Speaker 4: I could be experiencing.
Speaker 3: They could be more for fake Yeah, how slow? And
Speaker 3: you're reading like everybody's regrets. You if you google dying regrets,
Speaker 3: there's like five and you're like, fuck, I'm gonna regret
Speaker 3: that one. Yeah, I'm walking right into the trap. But
Speaker 3: like I'm gonna tell you a quick one that illustrates this,
Speaker 3: I think is, you know, right before we had kids,
Speaker 3: and I used to be definitely afraid of having kids, responsibility,
Speaker 3: you know, the codependence, Like all of a sudden, I'm
Speaker 3: not independent. I'm so independent. And my wife knows this.
Speaker 3: We've been here since college. Meg, She's awesome. She was
Speaker 3: very patient with me coming to grips with being an
Speaker 3: adult and like being ready to have a kid. But
Speaker 3: we also wanted to wait a while because I didn't want, Like,
Speaker 3: you know, my dad was a football player. It kind
Speaker 3: of sucks when your dad's like stressed all the time
Speaker 3: and at work, and like I didn't want to have
Speaker 3: to you know, my dad told me, he's like, you
Speaker 3: want to enjoy your kids. So, you know, right before
Speaker 3: we had kids, I said to Meg, I said, all right, well,
Speaker 3: if we're going to do this, you got to promise
Speaker 3: me two things. You're gonna let me climb Everest and
Speaker 3: I got to do the entire app trail. You can
Speaker 3: like bring the kids at night, like to see me
Speaker 3: and like follow me on the trail. How unrealistic was this?
Speaker 3: And I guess I just knew I was a total
Speaker 3: moron and was like, yep, you got it. Like that's fine.
Speaker 3: She must add foresight because the minute you know, Whalen
Speaker 3: showed up four years ago, my risk aversion, my risk aversion, sorry,
Speaker 3: became much different. And like I don't think about things
Speaker 3: like that anymore. Like I start thinking about shit that
Speaker 3: when I used to do things that were risky, Like
Speaker 3: you know, if I'm on a river and I'm drunk
Speaker 3: and I'm doing something sketchy, or like if I have
Speaker 3: some sketchy goal I used to want to. I used
Speaker 3: to want to paraglide off Kilman. John Are like, I
Speaker 3: don't think I'm gonna do that anymore, because now the
Speaker 3: thought is like, I'm not just ruining my life, I'm
Speaker 3: ruining my kids' lives. And that's thirties for you. I mean,
Speaker 3: like it just naturally happens. You don't even have to
Speaker 3: worry about it. Stop worrying.
Speaker 1: Man, you excited to be thirty. Not Taylor.
Speaker 4: No, I think you're great.
Speaker 1: Club dude. I'm glad. It's nice to have this.
Speaker 2: He explains it well, because anytime Taylor Tailor like traps man,
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna Dieceton.
Speaker 3: I just come here, not gonna die one day, they're
Speaker 3: gonna put you in a box and possibly slide you
Speaker 3: into a fireball or just bury you on the ground.
Speaker 3: But like that's not for another Well, you're play in
Speaker 3: the NFL's average ages in the sixties. You're about halfway there.
Speaker 1: See, it's good.
Speaker 4: I'm glad just to go with that, go with my
Speaker 4: point of being thirty. The minute you hit thirty or
Speaker 4: every day closer to death, like you're like more than halfway.
Speaker 4: Like when you hit twenty five.
Speaker 3: Every day you're closer to thirty. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: Like anytime, anytime we're talking a lot about curves right now, okay,
Speaker 3: anytime the curve is flattened, and age flattens the curve
Speaker 3: on your potential, and like your life is like this
Speaker 3: on the back end of whatever your apex is. For
Speaker 3: football players, it might be twenty three. You know, fifty
Speaker 3: years is all downhill. You are literally dying every day,
Speaker 3: So get get get moving, but also realize that life
Speaker 3: is just gonna settle you the fuck down in your thirties.
Speaker 3: You don't have a choice. You're gonna be sitting on
Speaker 3: the couch. Like I wish I was more driven, like
Speaker 3: I was in my twenties. You're just not. You get
Speaker 3: tired of shit. That's like part of why I retired.
Speaker 3: I got tired of stupid shit and my threshold for
Speaker 3: stuff that I wasn't enjoying. Sometimes it's just like I'm
Speaker 3: not doing it anymore. I'm smart, I'm old.
Speaker 4: The thing about like being in your thirties and stuff
Speaker 4: that you talk about like I used to want to
Speaker 4: do this and that, and now I don't. I am
Speaker 4: that way right now, there's a lot of things that yes,
Speaker 4: Sky Devian Gale will do that. I watch guys on
Speaker 4: the I watched Travis Pastraana and the Boys and squirrel
Speaker 4: suits jumping on a place.
Speaker 3: I never want to do that.
Speaker 4: No, That's why I would absolutely in my head, I'm
Speaker 4: like I would do that. And I remember saying that
Speaker 4: to my wife when I first met. I was like,
Speaker 4: I want to do this.
Speaker 3: Right, You're gonna hit that pole so hard?
Speaker 2: Dung yeah.
Speaker 4: Done. Though the thing is it's like like boom, yeah,
Speaker 4: out of there. You know what I'm saying, And it's like,
Speaker 4: this's not like that was my mindset is like, well,
Speaker 4: it kind of still is. Unfortunately, like I always think
Speaker 4: like what I need to do everything, I need to
Speaker 4: see everything and all that, and maybe maybe when I
Speaker 4: hit my thirties it'll change. But you know what, being
Speaker 4: a parent definitely does put things more into perspective for you,
Speaker 4: which has really done that for me. But like, at
Speaker 4: the same time, I do have that, you know, their
Speaker 4: devil mentality or whatever it is that you kind of
Speaker 4: want to do and experience new things, like.
Speaker 3: Why playing it's that you're still in your physical prime,
Speaker 3: You're still playing good ball, Like you're twenty eight, you're
Speaker 3: not old. A lineman played like fifty and and also
Speaker 3: like you don't really come to grips with aging until
Speaker 3: your body starts changing from a football perspective, because that's
Speaker 3: how you've defined your mortality for your entire life and
Speaker 3: your career now. So like the minute you start noticing
Speaker 3: that things are a little bit different, you're going to
Speaker 3: start thinking about like, oh, I'll never feel as athletic
Speaker 3: as I did last year. I'll never be as good
Speaker 3: physically as I was last year. You know, the first
Speaker 3: day camp when they tell you this is the best
Speaker 3: you're gonna feel all year, walking like, what's up, Brookie?
Speaker 3: How you feeling there? You're like I feel great. You're
Speaker 3: like never again, and you're like that's like, that's when
Speaker 3: you have that realization. It's not training camp, it's the
Speaker 3: rest of your life. So you know, you get wiser,
Speaker 3: you just life kicks your ass, man, you can't beat it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that is gonna be a thing when I when
Speaker 4: I wake up one day and I feel like, oh
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm actually either leveling off or going down.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Flattens due the curve flattens.
Speaker 2: See.
Speaker 4: But like the thing is, there's so many new things
Speaker 4: that come out every single every single year, like N
Speaker 4: A D, like O Zone, like vitamin bags, like.
Speaker 3: Sex, robots, you know, all that stuff we don't need
Speaker 3: even don't need us anymore.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: It's all good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all gonna work out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's I don't know. I was listening to Joe
Speaker 4: Rogan's podcast the other day and he was talking about
Speaker 4: Elon Musk and he was literally saying, like five to
Speaker 4: ten years away from not even having to communicate via
Speaker 4: like using your mouth like you and I do like this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's scary. I mean you think about it, and
Speaker 3: I'm very I was talking about this on the pod
Speaker 3: last night because I was talking about the Terminator fight
Speaker 3: with the T one thousand were knocks me in the Lava.
Speaker 3: I I I watched that movie far too early in
Speaker 3: my life, like my parents didn't have parenal controls on
Speaker 3: the TV. I was saying, I think, like I was
Speaker 3: all an A movies at like four, and I think
Speaker 3: that's why I'm so afraid of robots. And you can
Speaker 3: call me what you want, you can call me like
Speaker 3: not progressive on robotics or automation, like, but they're gonna
Speaker 3: crush people's jobs, and eventually they're gonna get smart enough
Speaker 3: where they realize that we're just in the way like
Speaker 3: they're not. There's no passion or emotion with robots. They're
Speaker 3: just gonna one day wake up in the robot beds
Speaker 3: and they're gonna say, fuck these people, we don't need
Speaker 3: them anymore, and we're all gonna die.
Speaker 4: If I think very dead, will be dead for sure
Speaker 4: before robots are waking up and going to sleep in beds.
Speaker 3: Will be But in the next fifteen twenty years. You
Speaker 3: know the anxiety you feel when you realize you've been
Speaker 3: on your phone for six hours in a day. Yes,
Speaker 3: you're gonna effectively become a phone. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, hopefully they enjoy podcasts and we'll still we'll have value.
Speaker 1: They won't kill us, you know what I'm saying right now?
Speaker 2: Yo, Hey, I enjoy busting with the boys in green Light.
Speaker 1: Let's not fucking kill those humans.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, let's not kill them. We like podcasts. But also, like,
Speaker 3: imagine if they put that chip in you, like, you're
Speaker 3: not ever gonna have to pick the phone up. You're
Speaker 3: gonna be on the phone all day when you don't
Speaker 3: have to learn anything anymore, and go through that process
Speaker 3: and you can flip a switch and gain knowledge. That's
Speaker 3: gonna be fucking crazy. It'll be scary.
Speaker 4: Are we pass the point of AI? Like from an
Speaker 4: artificial intelligence standpoint, do you think we're already too advanced
Speaker 4: that there's no going back from here? Or there's still
Speaker 4: a point in your mind for your terminator safety?
Speaker 3: Do you think, oh, we could stop here and be okay.
Speaker 3: I think that the problem with people is they don't
Speaker 3: know where the point of diminishing return is. Like listen,
Speaker 3: there's certain jobs that would be improved and should be
Speaker 3: eradicated because of robotics, like some dangerous job like a
Speaker 3: coal miner in a country where the safety standards aren't
Speaker 3: great or it's really sketchy or something like that, Like
Speaker 3: some dangerous ass job that people really don't want to do.
Speaker 3: But the problem is, like it's like, right now, there's
Speaker 3: this company up in Syracuse that came out with this
Speaker 3: this drone that's going to help out this fall and
Speaker 3: clean stadiums and they're gonna spray hand sanitizer just for
Speaker 3: this fall. Though it's not just for this fall, we're
Speaker 3: gonna come in. We're gonna clean some stadiums. By the way,
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter if the stadium doesn't have COVID in it.
Speaker 3: It's the people I'm worried about, not the seat, you know.
Speaker 3: Like so it doesn't matter. But like, after this passes,
Speaker 3: what's gonna happen. They're gonna say, Oh, we can clean
Speaker 3: every stadium with drones. How many janitors are losing their jobs?
Speaker 3: How many people that clean stadiums are losing jobs. That's
Speaker 3: just a little example. But that stuff goes and goes
Speaker 3: and goes, and really example, people who are bottom line
Speaker 3: interested are only interested in that, and they don't know
Speaker 3: where the point of diminishing return is. And I think
Speaker 3: eventually it gets out of control.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jeff Bezos is sucking us right now. It's what
Speaker 4: you're saying.
Speaker 3: He's all those motherfuckers. Dude. I can't say Jeff Bezos
Speaker 3: because I feel like he.
Speaker 4: Because he's listening right now, my order, one of our
Speaker 4: many he's listening.
Speaker 3: Fight for freedom, but not at that cost, dude, I
Speaker 3: tell you what, man that that man.
Speaker 4: Remember when Amazon came out though it was like I'm
Speaker 4: pretty sure it was like a tablet and a fire tablet.
Speaker 4: It was it like Amazon Fire.
Speaker 2: You just got books, right, it was just books.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just books.
Speaker 4: And now it's like they're testing drones to do faster
Speaker 4: drop off. I gotta I got fucking Amazon boxes outside
Speaker 4: my door every single day. I don't even know if
Speaker 4: we ordered them. But I tell you what, when I
Speaker 4: opened that damn box, I knew I needed it.
Speaker 3: You wait a day to open the box because.
Speaker 4: No, I don't do that.
Speaker 2: I should. He wipes him down. He's got a little
Speaker 2: disinfect on wipes. He's gonna wipe.
Speaker 3: I'm a germaphoone bro.
Speaker 2: So have you? So?
Speaker 3: Do you?
Speaker 4: Are you fully you fully believe in COVID? Do are
Speaker 4: you like the numbers are real?
Speaker 2: Editing is real?
Speaker 3: Do I understand the economy piece of it. I'm not
Speaker 3: gonna thumb my nose that people who are worried about
Speaker 3: getting back to work, But it's just how you're expressing that,
Speaker 3: like you're going to work out outside of a of
Speaker 3: a gym because you're being you think you're being oppressed
Speaker 3: and waved like American flags and shit. Like I just
Speaker 3: think it's a little bit overboard, and that's not a liberty.
Speaker 3: You can get swollen a six by eight, Like, why
Speaker 3: are you down there in Florida? It's very Florida, you know,
Speaker 3: doing CrossFit outside of a gym, proving that you don't
Speaker 3: need a gym to exercise, Like, it's just what are
Speaker 3: we doing? Like this is unprecedented? Listen, has it been
Speaker 3: exaggerated at times? Sure, but it's also a fucking pandemic.
Speaker 3: That's a novel virus, and we don't have immunity to it.
Speaker 3: So like, what's the worst thing about waiting it out
Speaker 3: a little bit? I know that we're all very lucky,
Speaker 3: the three guys on this call. We can work from home,
Speaker 3: we have means. I'm not minimizing that, but I'm certainly
Speaker 3: a believer in COVID. Like we've lost tens and ten
Speaker 3: thousands of lives in the United States, and it's extremely sad,
Speaker 3: and it's hard because there is this like mental struggle
Speaker 3: of like I know that if I'm younger, I'm probably
Speaker 3: not going to die for it, especially like people were
Speaker 3: under twenty three colleges coming back in the fall. Some
Speaker 3: people are like, it's so stupid that they're talking about
Speaker 3: not open colleges, but there's a flip side to that.
Speaker 3: I live in Charlottesville. There's not a ton of cases here.
Speaker 3: But if fifteen thousand students from all over the Eastern
Speaker 3: and Seaboard come back in the fall, it's going to
Speaker 3: be like a match stick. And that second surge is
Speaker 3: what I'm worried about.
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Speaker 2: You're welcome back to the episode. All right, let's shift
Speaker 2: gears cause I think we've it's probably been like seventy minutes. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I want you to talk about chalk I want you
Speaker 2: to talk about chalk media. I want to know why
Speaker 2: it started. You probably saw my notes. I cuss myself out, like,
Speaker 2: don't sett up for a boring answer, like I want
Speaker 2: to fucking know. You're sitting there, You're a flatline. You're
Speaker 2: now like you were saying it earlier, you're feeling your body,
Speaker 2: so you're having a conversation with yourself. Like, Okay, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna start transitioning. Here's what it's going to look like
Speaker 2: for me.
Speaker 3: Well, what do we do a lot of the time
Speaker 3: in the NFL? We bullshit? I mean that's what we
Speaker 3: do for a living. Like we play football. We hit people,
Speaker 3: but we bullshit with each other. And people in the
Speaker 3: locker room had the most interesting unfiltered convers You talk
Speaker 3: about Twitter and people getting offended. Nobody gets event in
Speaker 3: the NFL locker room, Like there's some hard conversations at
Speaker 3: because you trust people. That's another thing about the conversation
Speaker 3: we were just having you know, I guarantee you if
Speaker 3: you know somebody personally who has a different opinion, that
Speaker 3: conversation is going to go differently than with a stranger.
Speaker 3: And that's the beauty of an NFL locker room. That's why,
Speaker 3: like we're all ready to just bullshit for hours. So
Speaker 3: my last couple of years, I'm sitting there and I'm
Speaker 3: just saying, you know, what do I want to do
Speaker 3: when I get out? Because I was terrified of retirement.
Speaker 3: I was terrified, like I was terrified of sitting still
Speaker 3: and like you, like you Taylor, talking about you know,
Speaker 3: it looks like death to me, retirement look like imminent death.
Speaker 3: And the way they make it sound, you're gonna lose
Speaker 3: your mind. In five years, you're gonna hate yourself because
Speaker 3: they never tell the good stories. So I'm scrambling my
Speaker 3: brain trying to figure out, well, it's already scrambled. Let
Speaker 3: some people tell it. But I'm I'm scrambling my brain
Speaker 3: trying to think about what I might do. And I'm
Speaker 3: thinking I would love to take these conversations, you know,
Speaker 3: and make it my job. It's almost unfair to have
Speaker 3: this job. It's fun, it's hard, work. That's what I'm
Speaker 3: really but it's something I look forward to doing, talking
Speaker 3: to interesting people and uh and ranking shit, you know,
Speaker 3: talking about whatever I want to talk about. And that's
Speaker 3: a nice thing about going alone. You were asking me
Speaker 3: about that, will like my pod, My pod is green
Speaker 3: Light Pod. We got some listeners whatever, Like I don't
Speaker 3: keep track of that shit for the most part, honestly,
Speaker 3: the numbers whatever, because I don't think sometimes popularity is
Speaker 3: necessarily a good thing depends on who's listening, you know,
Speaker 3: like if a bunch of people you don't want to
Speaker 3: listener listening, like it's not a big deal. And also
Speaker 3: we talked about the rat race thing. Well, once you
Speaker 3: get into media, everybody's starved for attention. Everybody wants Yeah,
Speaker 3: everybody's racing to the same lead or trying to get ahead.
Speaker 3: And I just approached this thing like, hey, I do
Speaker 3: three pods a week. It keeps me busy. I love it.
Speaker 3: It's something to answer to and I'm interested by people
Speaker 3: and topics and it's fun, man, I love it.
Speaker 1: Dude, up to until two am. You were up until
Speaker 1: two am last night?
Speaker 3: Like that, I was up. I had a buddy on
Speaker 3: that got a little tipsy, and I didn't want to
Speaker 3: use all of it without his permission, and it was
Speaker 3: you know, it's one of those things where you're gonna
Speaker 3: ask your friend and be like, hey, you go with
Speaker 3: all that, but like at eleven, you think he's more
Speaker 3: sober than he was at nine. So I waited till
Speaker 3: the morning and I just I readid the pod. But
Speaker 3: uh but yeah, I mean I was up till two am.
Speaker 3: I'm definitely a night out with it. I don't know
Speaker 3: if you guys usually record around now, but I'm kind
Speaker 3: of a night out with it.
Speaker 4: Do you do you wish you did more when you
Speaker 4: were playing like from like from a from a media
Speaker 4: standpoint like this, like doing a podcast, because for me,
Speaker 4: that was my biggest fear going to it. Will Will
Speaker 4: was the one that Sammy that was like, I want
Speaker 4: to do this, Will knowing he's like towards the end
Speaker 4: of his career. His word's not mine, not trying to
Speaker 4: throw shit at the boy us, and he wanted to
Speaker 4: put this thing.
Speaker 3: The boy said, he said, I'm I'm running out of time,
Speaker 3: help me launch here.
Speaker 4: I was like, all right, well jump on my back,
Speaker 4: let's get this thing out of there.
Speaker 2: Hey, don't don't. Don't get it, Gray, dude. It was Oh,
Speaker 2: you're gonna do this thing?
Speaker 1: I want to do it with you.
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, well it was yeah, but there was
Speaker 4: a lot of being nervous, like putting yourself out there
Speaker 4: every single weson you don't have a good, good game
Speaker 4: and the podcast comes out people like, well, what the
Speaker 4: fuck are you doing doing a podcast when you should
Speaker 4: be watching film. And that's a lot of the reason
Speaker 4: why we like we do a lot before the season.
Speaker 4: I don't do podcasts during the season. But it was
Speaker 4: there ever a time for you that you were like,
Speaker 4: you know, like, now, looking back, maybe I should have
Speaker 4: done something more like this while I was playing well.
Speaker 3: Honestly, because I'm like you with my concerns for the
Speaker 3: minute you don't make a play. And the hardest thing
Speaker 3: about being a defensive end is the one thing they
Speaker 3: measure you on the sex like, and a lot of
Speaker 3: that is dependent on things around you. So they can't
Speaker 3: necessarily control my career year. You know, it depends on
Speaker 3: the back end, It depends on the time you have
Speaker 3: the guys rushing next to you. It's a team sports,
Speaker 3: so like you could work your ass off and have
Speaker 3: a goose sag on a Sunday and rush really well.
Speaker 3: And I don't want to be on that Sunday, you know,
Speaker 3: having coming in after a loss where you got a
Speaker 3: goose sag and you're in and there on Monday and
Speaker 3: you got to talk about stuff and look like you're
Speaker 3: having fun and taking down. Everybody has enough time to
Speaker 3: do one podcast a week in the NFL, like we
Speaker 3: will work our asses off, but like there's time in there,
Speaker 3: so doing it is not like some big distraction. It's
Speaker 3: just can you handle the bullshit? And I didn't want
Speaker 3: to deal with that bullshit of people, you know, connecting
Speaker 3: stupid dots, which I'm sure you've dealt with a little
Speaker 3: bit and it's probably not easy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean go through this year was definitely tough.
Speaker 3: Tough.
Speaker 4: The issue I had as I got suspended, right, so
Speaker 4: I get suspended and then I was doing podcasts during
Speaker 4: my suspension because it's like, well, you know what else
Speaker 4: I'm gonna do because I'm working out, Like you can
Speaker 4: only work out so much in a day, you can
Speaker 4: only do so much a day. So it's like people
Speaker 4: who are sitting and doing their nine to five job,
Speaker 4: like it's not like I'm sitting there at six thirty
Speaker 4: tweeting at them, going, Hey, why aren't you working on
Speaker 4: the TPS report? Asshole?
Speaker 3: You shouldn't do it a little bit more Milton. Hey, Like,
Speaker 3: here's the deal. The funniest thing is, and this is
Speaker 3: down down the line of what we're talking about. You
Speaker 3: go out to a game on a Saturday night and
Speaker 3: you go on a road trip. I guess you's sitting
Speaker 3: at in the room like choir boys and waiting for
Speaker 3: bed check. The players who's out there eating dinner with
Speaker 3: their wives taking a bus to like some nice steakhouse.
Speaker 3: All the coaches. The coaches are the ones who actually
Speaker 3: have to be studying the hey is in the barn
Speaker 3: for players by Saturday night. And so like it's that
Speaker 3: double standard of I got to sit in my house
Speaker 3: like you know, like a church mouse. And you know
Speaker 3: that standard is not there for coaches, not there for
Speaker 3: other executives. It's not there for other professions because people
Speaker 3: think they kind of own players. And if I see
Speaker 3: you doing something with your time that I don't like,
Speaker 3: especially if you're talking, if you're speaking your mind, like yeah, nahu,
Speaker 3: and I I just knew, like the way my filter
Speaker 3: is it wouldn't have gone well. And I got annoyed
Speaker 3: towards the end of my career, quite honestly, because I
Speaker 3: was speaking on things that I was passionate about that
Speaker 3: my quotes would blow up and get taken out of
Speaker 3: context or would just blow up as if I'm self important.
Speaker 3: Like everybody has a Twitter. If I tweet something about
Speaker 3: criminal justice reform and somebody finds it noteworthy and they
Speaker 3: tweet it, then all of a sudden, I'm looking for attention. Well,
Speaker 3: imagine if I had a fucking podcast, because my podcast
Speaker 3: wouldn't be vanilla and it would make waves because I
Speaker 3: don't give a fuck. I say what I want, right,
Speaker 3: that's that dash?
Speaker 4: Is that tea spoon, my baby?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that little tea spoon. You got a whole cup?
Speaker 4: You got a half cup in that thing?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I get it, dude.
Speaker 1: It's it's tough.
Speaker 2: The thing that is, I might have lost Taylor with
Speaker 2: that answer, But you know, go ahead and say, hey, Will,
Speaker 2: let's have a conversation. You know, let's I want to
Speaker 2: redo this season.
Speaker 3: I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2: The Okay.
Speaker 4: The thing that's so difficult for people to understand about
Speaker 4: being an NFL football player is not even just an
Speaker 4: a football player any sport in general.
Speaker 2: It's the ship is hard.
Speaker 4: It's hard physically, but the mentally that is what makes
Speaker 4: because everybody has got so much talent, Like some guys
Speaker 4: have more talent than others, but everybody's got a lot
Speaker 4: of throws.
Speaker 3: You're right, that's we had this whole time we did
Speaker 3: my did my wing span or my athleticism.
Speaker 1: It was your fucking your genetics. Man, They're different, bro.
Speaker 4: But anyway, long family, dude, the long family.
Speaker 3: You just basically, you know, it's just it's just easy.
Speaker 3: I mean, you're a white guy with short arms in
Speaker 3: the NFL. How easy could it be?
Speaker 4: That button press that button press?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Patrick Willis didn't have any genetics, I know, right well,
Speaker 3: he didn't have any genetics. He had to you know,
Speaker 3: he just he were just worked way harder.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what. But anyway, the mental part of
Speaker 4: everything is something that people overlook all the time. How
Speaker 4: difficult it is to go every single week and keep
Speaker 4: a consistent trend of playing consistent and doing well and
Speaker 4: trying to get stats from a defensive linement. That ship
Speaker 4: would be so hard to get a couple of games
Speaker 4: without a sack and then be like, funk, how do
Speaker 4: I get myself out this rut?
Speaker 3: It's like a baseball player slum Bro was thinking the
Speaker 3: same thing. I used to change like things around, you know, mentally,
Speaker 3: like like o CD person territory just to like try
Speaker 3: to get sacks that had nothing to do with football.
Speaker 3: I was rethinking, like what side of the bed I
Speaker 3: slept on? I was like, you know, not Joe bu
Speaker 3: level ship and maybe, but it is. It's hard. And
Speaker 3: if I was in one of those slumps and I
Speaker 3: had to do a podcast, it would just be bad news, man.
Speaker 3: And I'm anxious anyways, like I'm just high strung. That
Speaker 3: would have added a lot of of a bullshit to
Speaker 3: my life.
Speaker 1: No, I'm with that.
Speaker 2: This year.
Speaker 3: So what I enjoyed the podcast this year. I can
Speaker 3: hear it that you guys lose one game in fucking October,
Speaker 3: your podcast is all of a sudden gonna become a distraction?
Speaker 3: Does Taylor luwan?
Speaker 1: It's already happened.
Speaker 2: It's already happened when I when I was when I
Speaker 2: was not, when I was not on a team, and
Speaker 2: the Times would lose, I would honestly get anxiety. Even
Speaker 2: though I wasn't even on a team. I'd beg, Fuck,
Speaker 2: it's a tough week. It's gonna be a tough week. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I see the boy, he gets a holding penalty. I'm
Speaker 2: yelling at the fucking TV. God damn it, my podcast tailor.
Speaker 2: The podcast.
Speaker 3: Is accountable. The boy is accountable, and it is. By
Speaker 3: the way, this is the funniest thing in the world.
Speaker 3: I used to fucking hate y'all the Titans, and it
Speaker 3: wasn't like for any the Titans. I just could not
Speaker 3: stand the Titans. I think it was because Chris Johnson
Speaker 3: torched us like early in my career, and it just,
Speaker 3: you know, folsome prison, which I love. They just played
Speaker 3: it fifty seven hundred times at the which is awesome,
Speaker 3: and it's one of those places It's kind of like
Speaker 3: to me West Virginia football, I wish I had experienced
Speaker 3: as a player somehow. I wish I lived two loves.
Speaker 3: It just seemed like they had some cool going on there,
Speaker 3: and I grew to really love what y'all have going
Speaker 3: on in Nashville. And last year I think the key
Speaker 3: was a guy that I used to could not stand,
Speaker 3: Ryan Tannehill, so the guy couldn't stand comes to Nashville
Speaker 3: injects all this fucking energy into it. A team that
Speaker 3: I hate and a guy that I hate, they joined
Speaker 3: together to make me love a team. I was betting
Speaker 3: the house on you fuckers at the end of the year,
Speaker 3: Nashville hater to Titans fanboy, bro, I was riding with
Speaker 3: you all the way.
Speaker 4: I love it, dude. Everyone loves that kind of story, right.
Speaker 4: No one wants to see the Patriots win or like
Speaker 4: the teams that always win. You got a teammate the
Speaker 4: Titans coming in and everybody sleeps from the Titans. That's
Speaker 4: the craziest thing. I mean, for understanding when I first
Speaker 4: got there.
Speaker 1: It's the craziest thing.
Speaker 4: I mean, there's you know, no and then I'm like
Speaker 4: kind of like like, well, it's not that crazy, guys.
Speaker 1: You guys are nine and seven.
Speaker 3: Wait to hear Patriots fans saying they're being slept on
Speaker 3: this year, you're gonna be like, that's the crazy.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean they've got a point though, like if
Speaker 4: they're getting something, because it's like people will people thinking
Speaker 4: that Tom Brady is leaving. Half of people are going
Speaker 4: to think, oh, they're done dynasty's over. And the other
Speaker 4: half are the you know, the Boston hardoes that are like,
Speaker 4: doesn't matter. We got Belichick.
Speaker 3: We're gonna be fair. I'm not gonna lead you down
Speaker 3: a road.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'll go and I will I will take this drive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is not green light.
Speaker 1: This is not green light.
Speaker 3: I think it's fair. And any other team has to
Speaker 3: deal with that lowering of expectations when a Hall Fame
Speaker 3: quarterback matriculates to another team or retirement, like that's the
Speaker 3: way things are. And when you have an unproven fourth
Speaker 3: round pick and an offense that didn't have a lot
Speaker 3: of weapons, you had a defense towards the end of
Speaker 3: the year got exposed a little bit. Listen, great defense,
Speaker 3: but not the defense that were making it seem like
Speaker 3: you know to me, and you know, as far as
Speaker 3: stopping the run. That's why I knew when you guys
Speaker 3: played him, I was like, oh yeah, oh yeah, bang it,
Speaker 3: bang it, let me, let me get on my little website,
Speaker 3: bang it, let's go, let's go, you know, throw catfish
Speaker 3: on him, Tay, let's go, baby, getting them over, baby,
Speaker 3: like these are my boys. Man, A big Titans fan,
Speaker 3: but like, yeah, I mean it was Rabel your boy,
Speaker 3: he's a legend. Uh you know, Tannahill, what what makes me?
Speaker 4: I don't disagree with you and Vrabel, but what makes
Speaker 4: verbel a legend? From an outside looking in?
Speaker 3: Well, one, I respect him because he's a player, and
Speaker 3: most players don't get burned coaching. So he's very lucky
Speaker 3: to come from the Belichick tree. I'm not saying he's lucky,
Speaker 3: but I'm saying, like a lot of coaches don't get
Speaker 3: that front of line treatment. He just nerve to get it.
Speaker 3: He's proven he deserved to get it. And that's what
Speaker 3: I love about it. It's like everybody was waiting for
Speaker 3: him to fail because he came from the Bill Tree.
Speaker 3: He just got the job because he's those guys. He's
Speaker 3: a player, you know, he's too young, whatever, and he
Speaker 3: really relates to players. You can tell he seems like
Speaker 3: a guy's guy from everything I hear about guys that
Speaker 3: played with him in New England. He just has the
Speaker 3: right amount of shit to him. And he's a wde essentially.
Speaker 3: I mean like he's he's he's a he's a great
Speaker 3: white pass rusher from back in the day. Like there's
Speaker 3: very few of us left and so I got a
Speaker 3: soft spot for Raves. No, I love it.
Speaker 4: No, Rabes definitely he's a guys guy man, He definitely
Speaker 4: he's a he's about the boys. He comes on the podcast.
Speaker 4: Like when I did this podcast, I was thinking when
Speaker 4: he came in the podcast, I was like, Okay, well
Speaker 4: I get Rabes is definitely a boy. Because I was
Speaker 4: worried the first when we did this thing because John
Speaker 4: came from the Patriots tree of Rabels said they both
Speaker 4: essentially like they they were there at one point, and
Speaker 4: I'm thinking to myself, my ass is getting traded before
Speaker 4: we gaate, before that did left.
Speaker 3: Okay, No, I mean, listen to this fucking podcast. I
Speaker 3: would be worried. But the thing I like about it
Speaker 3: again is he breaks that mold. And the same thing
Speaker 3: with B Flow. There's nothing wrong with the Patriot way,
Speaker 3: there's nothing wrong with it, but all these coaches try
Speaker 3: to be Bill to a degree, like they can't escape
Speaker 3: it somehow. Braves or b Flow, these guys are like,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be a little different. I'm gonna bring some
Speaker 3: of the New England to wherever I'm going to coach.
Speaker 3: And that's a that's a great thing because they know
Speaker 3: how to win up there, but I can be personality
Speaker 3: wise a little different, and I think that's what's cool
Speaker 3: about it. Plus you added to fucking I like your
Speaker 3: tight end. Johnny Smith, he's a stud. He could block.
Speaker 3: I was old when we played you guys a year
Speaker 3: or two ago, but I was like, man, I really
Speaker 3: he's a good blocker.
Speaker 4: Insurance policy year. Huh, that's an insurance policy. I was
Speaker 4: a little older when I played you guys. So John Smith, great,
Speaker 4: Josh John Ill.
Speaker 3: By the way, terrible comeback that ruined my whole week
Speaker 3: at least. Uh. You guys came back from like twenty
Speaker 3: down to beat us.
Speaker 4: But I tell you what, Actually, I wanted to bring
Speaker 4: this up because I told you we were in the
Speaker 4: middle of a drive. It was the drive we won, actually,
Speaker 4: and I go past you and I go, I don't
Speaker 4: know if you remember this, but I patched you on
Speaker 4: the ass. Chris, we win this game.
Speaker 2: All donate ten.
Speaker 4: Thousand dollars the water. Tell me I did say that
Speaker 4: I haven't wrote a check yet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a check yet, Abe Lincoln here, I appreciate that check.
Speaker 2: Hey, I'll send it.
Speaker 4: I swear to God, I'll send it. I had a wait,
Speaker 4: I got to make sure we had a season first,
Speaker 4: because that he's got some debt.
Speaker 3: But we're gonna make sure worry about it. You gottle
Speaker 3: bit Honestly, guys.
Speaker 2: I don't want to. I don't want to too my
Speaker 2: own horn, but I dropped to pick that game that
Speaker 2: made you guys settle for a field goal, and then
Speaker 2: we won the next drive.
Speaker 1: The boy was in the game made.
Speaker 3: He was wonterfly effect. My problem was I really liked Conklin.
Speaker 3: You could get him off his feet and like he'd
Speaker 3: move like eight feet, but he would just anchor enough
Speaker 3: at the last second. Also, we were in all these
Speaker 3: like fucked up rush situations. You guys do a really
Speaker 3: good job of like complimentary football and just staying like
Speaker 3: at it and being and being like methodical, and that
Speaker 3: really throws rushers off, you know, because you're off balanced
Speaker 3: and you're just saying it's not like from a Stansa.
Speaker 3: You can get knocked off the ball in the run game,
Speaker 3: but when the past shows and you're rushing an athletic
Speaker 3: quarterback you had Marcus and now you got Tannehill, it's
Speaker 3: it's it's a challenge. You guys got a nice little
Speaker 3: offense there, and I love that receiver Brown.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a stun he's a dog.
Speaker 4: He's got that asshole in him too, Like he's got
Speaker 4: that attitude where it's like, give me the fucking ball,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. And so it's like, you know,
Speaker 4: some guys might might not like that. You need guys
Speaker 4: like that, dude. You need guys that are like a
Speaker 4: little cocky, a little arrogant. And I mean that in
Speaker 4: a good way. I hope he hears this, and I
Speaker 4: hope he knows I mean.
Speaker 3: This idline breaking news.
Speaker 4: Taylor One all players arrogant and cocky. Also, Chris Long
Speaker 4: hates Ryan Tannehill.
Speaker 2: It's a picture of Yeah, it's a picture of aj
Speaker 2: with those was it those Sunglssvana? Yeah, the Golgi and Cavana.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to butcher that name.
Speaker 1: I almost try.
Speaker 3: I gotta go down and eat dinner with the kids.
Speaker 3: I just realized it's six thirty seven pm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've been on this thing a while.
Speaker 2: I wanted to get the favorite Team, Favorite Year stories.
Speaker 2: We didn't get.
Speaker 3: Favorite Year twenty twelve Saint Louis Rams. This is when
Speaker 3: you guys were babies. The NFL. You know they say
Speaker 3: it was different, It was even different eight years ago.
Speaker 3: I mean like it was fun. Our NFC West was
Speaker 3: San Francisco with Frank Gore, Vernon Davis, Uh you know,
Speaker 3: uh Delaney Walker, I you Potty good Win, fucking Anthony
Speaker 3: Davis Staley. It was just a fucking bloodbath. And it
Speaker 3: was Seattle Marshawn Tom cable O Line. Arizona had Carson Palmer,
Speaker 3: like it was. The NFC West was murderers Row and
Speaker 3: we were that team that couldn't get over the hump.
Speaker 3: But we beat the fuck out of everybody on the
Speaker 3: division and nobody wanted to see us. But it was fun,
Speaker 3: like we had a really good locker room. Jeff Fisher
Speaker 3: is a great coach. You guys have had Fish on.
Speaker 3: He made everything fun by the way, played for him.
Speaker 3: I know we didn't get over the hump, but I
Speaker 3: think Fish gets a bad rap.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Fish is great. It is definitely good. All right,
Speaker 4: let the man go, Let the man go.
Speaker 1: We'll have money. He could be would be a recurrent guest.
Speaker 4: When this when this whole pandemic thing is over, you
Speaker 4: need to come on the bus.
Speaker 1: I will try getting him to Nashville quite a bit.
Speaker 3: I love Nashville. You know, as you just heard, you
Speaker 3: don't have to twist my arm. I might come.
Speaker 1: I might come.
Speaker 3: Put a Titans jersey on sitting. Hey, you know, are
Speaker 3: we competitors the drone like a sanitizer drone and the bus.
Speaker 3: I'm there but done.
Speaker 2: We got Are we competitors?
Speaker 3: We are not competitors because of what I said earlier,
Speaker 3: Like you guys probably don't compete with anybody. I don't
Speaker 3: compete with anybody, like, because competing with somebody that would
Speaker 3: mean like if I'm doing what I truly want to
Speaker 3: do as a podcast. And this is a serious answer,
Speaker 3: but like then if I'm not getting listeners, that means
Speaker 3: I have to change who I am. So I'm gonna
Speaker 3: do what I need to do to enjoy it. And
Speaker 3: if people like it, great, if they don't fuck it,
Speaker 3: like we're all there's enough podcasts in the world for everybody.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure everybody has a podcast now, true, man,
Speaker 3: you guys are all podcast appreciate you guys have me
Speaker 3: on you guys, are you guys will do a home
Speaker 3: at home? You gotta come on, mind, we'll rank some ship.
Speaker 3: I don't think anybody else has ranked anything over quarantine.
Speaker 4: Oh rank, we'll do it. Down to rank.
Speaker 3: Down to D two D two R S two R
Speaker 3: sender receive.
Speaker 2: Let's do it all right, brother, appreciate you man see
Speaker 2: it