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Speaker 1: Welcome to good Game of Sarah Spain, where we were

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Speaker 1: excited to get local, ordering a favorite dish in Sondrio

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Speaker 1: can't take the Midwest out of the girl. It's Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: February eleventh, and on today's show, we're joined by Senior

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Speaker 1: Director of Psychological Services for the US Olympic and Paralympic Committee.

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Speaker 2: Jessica Bartley.

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Speaker 1: We caught up with her just before the Games began

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Speaker 1: to hear about her job working with Team USA's athletes,

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Speaker 1: the difference between mental health and mental performance, how different

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Speaker 1: sports bring up different stressors for athletes, and how impactful

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Speaker 1: it can be when big name athletes speak up for

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Speaker 1: mental health. Plus Captain Clutch goes down, breaking a mentor's

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Speaker 1: record and introducing the most eligible bachelorette at the Milan

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Speaker 1: Courtina Games.

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Speaker 2: All coming up right after this.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back slices. Here's what you need to know today.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with alpine skiing, where one US team won

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Speaker 1: finished just off the podium. The event features one athlete

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Speaker 1: competing in downhill, followed by their teammate in the slalom.

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Speaker 1: After the downhill portion of the event, the US duo

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Speaker 1: of Breezy Johnson and Mikaela Schiffren was in gold medal

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Speaker 1: position thanks to Johnson's top ranked effort just two days

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Speaker 1: after she won gold in the individual downhill event, but

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Speaker 1: standings got shaken up in the slalom when Schiffrin struggled

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Speaker 1: in the discipline. When all was complete, it was Austria

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Speaker 1: who took the gold, Germany with the silver, and a

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Speaker 1: different US team composed of Jackie Wiles and Paula Moltzen,

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Speaker 1: who claimed bronze. Schiffrin and Johnson meantime, finished just off

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Speaker 1: the podium in fourth. For Wiles and Moltzen, this medal

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Speaker 1: has been a long time coming and a fun fact

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Speaker 1: or fato figo if you will, courtesy of NBC Sports

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Speaker 1: Nick Zaccardi. Back in twenty sixteen, Wiles became the first

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Speaker 1: ever ambassador for the Lindsay Vaughn Foundation, an honor that

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Speaker 1: provided her with additional funding and resources, as well as

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Speaker 1: mentorship from Vaughn, well and winning her first ever medal.

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Speaker 1: On Tuesday, the thirty three year old Whiles became the

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Speaker 1: oldest Olympic medalist ever in women's alpine, breaking a record

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Speaker 1: that Vaughn set back in twenty eighteen. More Alpine Skiing

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Speaker 1: and more Lindsey Vaughn. We've got an update on her

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Speaker 1: condition after the forty one year old posted on Instagram

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Speaker 1: on Monday. She wrote that she sustained a complex tibia

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Speaker 1: fracture to her left leg and will require multiple surgeries

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Speaker 1: in order for the injury to heal properly. Vaughn also

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Speaker 1: explained as many analysts that assumed after watching the replay,

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Speaker 1: torn ACL, writing quote, I was simply five inches too

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Speaker 1: tight on my line when my right arm hooked inside

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Speaker 1: My ACL and past injuries had nothing to do with

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Speaker 2: End quote.

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Speaker 1: Vaughn also went on to explain that she has no

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Speaker 1: regrets about her decision to race, saying quote, I tried,

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Speaker 1: I dreamt, I jumped. I hope you could take anything

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Speaker 1: away from my journey, It's that you all have the

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Speaker 1: courage to dare greatly. Life is too short not to

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Speaker 1: take chances on yourself, because the only failure in life

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Speaker 1: is not trying.

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Speaker 2: End quote.

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Speaker 1: We'll link to Vaughan's full post in the show notes,

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Speaker 1: and we are of course wishing her a quick recovery.

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Speaker 1: In the meantime, unhinged commentary about Vaughn's decision to race continues,

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Speaker 1: and this time the call is coming from inside the house.

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Speaker 1: In a phone interview with The Associated Press, Vaughn's father

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Speaker 1: Alan Kildau said, quote, She's forty one years old and

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Speaker 1: no more ski races for Lindsay Vaughn as long as

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Speaker 1: I have anything to say about it.

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Speaker 2: End quote.

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Speaker 1: She's forty one years old, So yeah, I don't think

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Speaker 1: sure Alan's statement is coming from a place of love

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Speaker 2: No need to say that shit publicly.

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Speaker 1: And add to the toxic misogynist discourse to hockey, Canadian

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Speaker 1: legend and friend of the show Marie Philip Pullin was

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Speaker 2: It was clear that Poulin.

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Speaker 1: that matchup. The announcement said Poolen is listed as day

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Speaker 1: take the ice on Thursday in Canada's postponed game against Finland.

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Speaker 1: We're recording this ahead of that aforementioned Canada US game Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: so we're not yet sure how our absence will impact

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Speaker 1: on any more details about that injury. We're sending Captain

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Speaker 1: Clutch our best. More hockey, We're thrilled that visitors to

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Speaker 1: the US hockey team have upgraded from demons to snacks.

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Speaker 1: The team went to lunch with Italian American icon and

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Speaker 1: certified Zaddie Stanley Tucci. Now, if you've ever seen his

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Speaker 1: show Searching for Italy, he is the go to for

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Speaker 1: all things Italian cuisine. You can watch a segment about

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Speaker 1: their lunch together on Nbcolympics dot com to freestyle skiing.

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Speaker 1: Producer Alex and I were at the first qualification of

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Speaker 1: the women's moguls competition on Tuesday in Lavigno.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: The way it works is that the top ten athletes

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Speaker 1: the rest of the field who doesn't qualify will have

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Speaker 2: This is a super deep event for the US team.

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Speaker 1: Six American women are currently in the top eleven of

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Speaker 1: make the team, Jalenkoff, Tess Johnson, Olivia Giaccio, and Liz Lemley. Tess,

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Speaker 1: Olivia and Liz advanced to the finals, while Jalen, who

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Speaker 1: three round finals today at eight fifteen am Eastern Time,

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Speaker 1: and we'll have more to say on the moguls in

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Speaker 1: on your radar for today. Women's halfpipe qualification is this morning,

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Speaker 1: featuring two time defending Olympic gold medalist Choe Kim, competing

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Speaker 1: with a torn shoulder labrum. The US contingent also includes

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Speaker 1: Figure skating continues on Wednesday night in Italy afternoon in

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Speaker 1: Evan Bates in second place following the Rhythm dance. Today

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Speaker 1: will also feature the debut of women's doubles luge AA

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Speaker 1: sledding With a friend on top of you, men have

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Speaker 1: to the full Olympic schedule in the show notes. Okay,

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Speaker 1: talk some WNBACBA negotiations. The WNBA Players Association had a

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Speaker 1: in an interview with CBS Sports, Brianna Stewart said that

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Speaker 1: while the latest offer didn't see big financial movement, there

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Speaker 1: has been some progress on other benefits and minimum standards

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Speaker 1: would provide first year players and those also on minimum

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Speaker 1: three years of the CBA. We'll link to the full

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Speaker 1: CBS Sports support from Jack Maloney in the show notes

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Speaker 1: and in college hoops. On Sunday, NYU women's basketball defeated

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Speaker 1: Carnegie Mellons sixty nine to fifty eight for their eighty

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Speaker 1: second straight victory, breaking the Division III record for consecutive

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Speaker 1: wins set by Washington University from nineteen ninety eight to

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Speaker 1: two thousand and one. During this historic streak, only four

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Speaker 1: teams have come within single digits of coach Meg Barber's violets.

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Speaker 1: More hoops unrivaled fans, don't forget. The one v one

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Speaker 1: tournament starts today and just like last year, Super Slice

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Speaker 1: Joey Maldonado, you know him from making those amazing women's

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Speaker 1: sports calendars for US, Well, he made another one v

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Speaker 1: one tournament bracket. He still couldn't figure out how to

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Speaker 1: make it one that you can edit without changing the

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Speaker 1: results on the original, but slices can print it out

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Speaker 1: to make your picks, and finally a women's elite rugby update.

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Speaker 1: Axios is reporting that the league closed a four million

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Speaker 1: market for a twenty five million dollar Series A. According

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Speaker 1: to the reporting, WER is looking to expand from six

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Speaker 1: as many as twenty teams by twenty thirty three. If

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Speaker 1: you're just hearing about WER, go back and listen to

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Speaker 1: our New Year, New League's episode from January of twenty

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Speaker 2: All right, slice's a couple more updates on what.

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Speaker 1: We've been up to here in Lavigno. On Monday night,

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Speaker 1: Alex and I checked out the women's snowboard Big Air Final,

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Speaker 1: won by Japan's Cocoma Marase. Now Big Air features athletes

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Speaker 1: this was that the event ethos fits the event name big,

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Speaker 1: Final scores are taken by combining in athletes two best

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Speaker 1: On Tuesday afternoon, we went to the women's moguls qualifying

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Speaker 2: Couple cool things from this event.

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Speaker 1: One, we got to see Swedish skier Ellis Lundholm become

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Speaker 1: Winter Olympics. He didn't have a good run, but he

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Speaker 1: The cheering sections were so fun, especially for the Team

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Speaker 1: USA athletes. There was a super loud contingent with great signs.

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Speaker 1: For Olivia Giaccio, who took third, we asked her about

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Speaker 4: So, my primary role is overseeing mental health and mental performance.

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Speaker 1: So it's not like you can hand them off when

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Speaker 1: they're below baseline to talk about whatever's causing that and

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Speaker 1: then take them back when you want to get them

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Speaker 1: above baseline for the performance side. And it's not like

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Speaker 1: they're going to show up and tell you, Okay, Jess,

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Speaker 1: I'm only going to tell you the sports stuff that's

445
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Speaker 1: bugging me today. Yeah, because that's going to intersect with

446
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Speaker 1: the life stuff that's bugging them. So do you recommend

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Speaker 1: that athletes have both a sports pyke and a nonsports

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Speaker 1: psych or does that complicate things if they're perhaps being

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Speaker 1: given interventions to deal with stuff that's different from the

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Speaker 1: two sides.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's such a good question because some

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Speaker 4: of our athletes have both. Some of our athletes will

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Speaker 4: work with somebody on their performance and they don't want

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Speaker 4: that person to actually know anything about the breakup with

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Speaker 4: their boyfriend or maybe some sort of abuse with a coach.

456
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Speaker 4: So I don't want you to know that. And so

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Speaker 4: we actually do have a number of providers that are

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Speaker 4: on the road with teams and they will stick to

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Speaker 4: mental performance even though they're trained to do both. Our

460
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Speaker 4: system works well with our providers having that training and

461
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Speaker 4: sliding back and forth. And I know there's a lot

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Speaker 4: of other systems who really appreciate having.

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Speaker 6: Both two different providers for two different things.

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Speaker 4: And even in our system, I do think that there's

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Speaker 4: plenty of athletes who do like to keep it separate.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's something I've talked about over the

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Speaker 1: past decade plus in sports, as we're starting to destigmatize

468
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Speaker 1: mental health and understanding how athletes might fear potential repercussions

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Speaker 1: for being honest about issues and their struggles with the

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Speaker 1: same people that are in charge of resigning them to

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Speaker 1: a multi million dollar contract, or the same people who

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Speaker 1: are communicating and working with the coach about whom they

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Speaker 1: have some sort of complaint. And it's sort of like

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Speaker 1: in the everyday life version, it's like going to HR

475
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Speaker 1: and knowing that HR works for the company that you

476
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Speaker 1: are complaining about. Are they on your side? Are they

477
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Speaker 1: on the side of protecting the company from loss financial

478
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Speaker 1: or otherwise? And so I understand how someone might want

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Speaker 1: to say, I only want you to help me be

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Speaker 1: good at my sport, and I need to go somewhere

481
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Speaker 1: else to talk about the stuff that might be held

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Speaker 1: against me in the next time they select the team

483
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Speaker 1: if they think this is an ongoing issue for me.

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Speaker 1: You know, it is that feeling of treating an entire person.

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Speaker 1: How do you handle it when you're used to talking

486
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Speaker 1: to someone about sports and you have a breakthrough or

487
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Speaker 1: there's something that changes significantly in their personal life and

488
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Speaker 1: they start coming to you with those external events that

489
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Speaker 1: might very well impact the sport that you're trying to

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Speaker 1: help them.

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Speaker 2: Be best in.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And that is where we find it to be

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Speaker 4: very helpful that it can be the same person and

494
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Speaker 4: it can be both what we do is informed concise,

495
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Speaker 4: And so you're like, hey, we are kind of shifting

496
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Speaker 4: into this space and I am trained to do both,

497
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Speaker 4: but I want to make sure and so we do

498
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Speaker 4: a lot of like checking in with athletes to make

499
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Speaker 4: sure we have clear boundaries. We call it informed consents.

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Speaker 4: There's other times where you know, you knew you were

501
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Speaker 4: going to talk about both, not as worried about it,

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Speaker 4: but it is, you know, something where we do inform consent.

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Speaker 6: We do talk with athletes about a bit of that shift.

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Speaker 2: That makes sense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what are some of the unique challenges of working

506
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Speaker 1: with the type of elite athlete that you're working with

507
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Speaker 1: at the Olympics.

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Speaker 4: I really think it's a four year cycle, Like depending

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Speaker 4: on the sport, this may be they're one chance every

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Speaker 4: four years. And someone has asked me before, like, Okay,

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Speaker 4: do you say that do you think that like I

512
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Speaker 4: only get this chance every four years? Or do you

513
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Speaker 4: need to think about it like just another competition, just

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Speaker 4: another training And so thinking of how few and far

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Speaker 4: between those opportunities are.

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Speaker 6: How often do they get the spotlight? That has been

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Speaker 6: one of.

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Speaker 4: The toughest things when you're thinking of the Olympics or

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Speaker 4: peer Olympics, and the timing is again how often those

520
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Speaker 4: athletes are often in the spotlight or not in the spotlight.

521
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Speaker 4: This could be their big opportunity for sponsorships, this could

522
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Speaker 4: be the opportunity to kind of have.

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Speaker 6: Their platform for a moment.

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Speaker 4: And again, it's a lot of the things that often

525
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Speaker 4: drive all athletes is kind of reaching those goals in sport.

526
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Speaker 4: So that's the same, but it just also feels like

527
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Speaker 4: a bit different when you're looking at the timing.

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Speaker 1: Do you get a read on the athlete after working

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Speaker 1: with them for a while, like, Oh, this is someone

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Speaker 1: who will step up if I tell them this is

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Speaker 1: your moment versus ones where you're like, this person definitely

532
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Speaker 1: needs to be told it's just another competition. It's the

533
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Speaker 1: same race you've always run.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what everyone has always asked me for that

535
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Speaker 4: piece of advice.

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Speaker 6: And I'm like, it is so dependent on the person.

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Speaker 4: You need to have an understanding as to whether that

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Speaker 4: is going to just completely put them over the edge

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Speaker 4: or again, like, this is actually their moment and they're

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Speaker 4: going to thrive on that pressure. They're going to love

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Speaker 4: the applause and the spotlight on them. And so once

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Speaker 4: you get to know someone, you can kind of tailor

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Speaker 4: approaches to say, Okay, we need to do this, we

544
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Speaker 4: need to shift about this. And so that's where we

545
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Speaker 4: have pretty extensive intakes and a lot of times we

546
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Speaker 4: are working with somebody four years in advance for these

547
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Speaker 4: moments because you really need to know them, they need

548
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Speaker 4: to know themselves. I think that's really really important when

549
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Speaker 4: you're working at this level.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we had Jesse Diggins on the show back in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four and she talked with us about dealing

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Speaker 1: with Olympic pressure, and she said specifically, the example she

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Speaker 1: used was if someone says, hey, don't think about an apple.

554
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Speaker 1: As soon as you hear that, you're thinking about an apple.

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Speaker 1: And so she's worked to figure out how to allow

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Speaker 1: her brain to think about the apple or pressure or

557
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Speaker 1: whatever it is, and also the fact that she's there

558
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Speaker 1: to do her job and it's just another race. It

559
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Speaker 1: reminds me of meditation. When you're meditating, when a thought

560
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Speaker 1: comes through, you're supposed to think it's like a cloud

561
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Speaker 1: that's going to keep moving past. You don't try to

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Speaker 1: not think it because it's there, but you also don't

563
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Speaker 1: focus on it and you let it float by so

564
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Speaker 1: are you working with the athletes to figure out maybe

565
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Speaker 1: what kind of analogies or mindset approaches they might use

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Speaker 1: to be able to hold both things at once and

567
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Speaker 1: not say I'm going to ignore the competition or the pressure.

568
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Speaker 1: It's there clearly, but how do I think about that

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Speaker 1: and all.

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Speaker 2: The other things?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and there's so many strategies, and there's so many

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Speaker 4: different ways that psychologists, and particularly sports psychologists are trained.

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Speaker 4: I have a huge foundation in mindfulness, and so watching

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Speaker 4: that cloud float by or a lot of times you

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Speaker 4: call it dialectics, like two things at once? How can

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Speaker 4: two things be possible at once? And they may often

577
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Speaker 4: seem like oppositional or opposing, and it's like how do

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Speaker 4: you do both? And so there's all kinds of strategies,

579
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Speaker 4: ways of doing it.

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Speaker 6: You could use.

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Speaker 4: Imagery sometimes and start to like visualize things. So there's

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Speaker 4: a lot of different ways of being trained. But I

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Speaker 4: really resonate with that one for sure.

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Speaker 1: My all time favorite athlete is Michael Jordan, and he's

585
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Speaker 1: a fascinating case study in the very same qualities that

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Speaker 1: made him exceedingly successful greatest of all time might also

587
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Speaker 1: be difficult qualities to manage off of the court. How

588
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Speaker 1: do you talk to people about the things that make

589
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Speaker 1: them successful as an athlete that might be difficult to

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Speaker 1: manage once they're not competing or even in the moments

591
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Speaker 1: in between competition.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've thought about that so much with a lot

593
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Speaker 4: of our combat sports, or when you look at like

594
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Speaker 4: the NFL and how you have to be I was

595
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Speaker 4: going to say aggressive, even violence, I mean, and that's

596
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Speaker 4: where it's trying to think about those things that how

597
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Speaker 4: do you shift out of those what's valuable on the

598
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Speaker 4: field and what's valuable off the field. Most of what

599
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Speaker 4: I do is rooted in values and like what is important?

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Speaker 4: And I actually think it's interesting where a lot of

601
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Speaker 4: times with athletes, what actually drives them is their family

602
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Speaker 4: and it's not the actual sport itself. They want to

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Speaker 4: do this, you know, for their family or they want

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Speaker 4: to do it, so it's really getting to the root

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Speaker 4: what's important to them. But I think that's one of

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Speaker 4: the hardest ones is, particularly those more combat sports, is

607
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Speaker 4: how do you leave that and how do you reconcile that,

608
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Speaker 4: how do you think about it out of sport?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, those are always fascinating to me, the sort of

610
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Speaker 1: like this is good for me and bad for me

611
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Speaker 1: at the same time. And how do I get the

612
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Speaker 1: best out of it and not let it get me?

613
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Speaker 1: How do you sort of identify the different ways people

614
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Speaker 1: might want to receive care, especially for someone who may

615
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Speaker 1: be reticent and unsure of whether psychology and mental health

616
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Speaker 1: and all the other stuff is worth their time and effort.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think some of the things it is often

618
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Speaker 4: try and see. I think one of my analogies is

619
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Speaker 4: I'd love to put some tools in your tool belts,

620
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Speaker 4: and you may not use them all, and you may

621
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Speaker 4: use one at a certain time and think this one

622
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Speaker 4: is kind of useless. But you know, I typically start

623
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Speaker 4: all of my work with athletes to say, like, I

624
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Speaker 4: want to work myself out of a job. That is

625
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Speaker 4: my goal is to give you as many tools and

626
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 4: trust me, I'm not going to lose my job, but like,

627
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 4: because there's always someone else that needs something. But truly,

628
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 4: let me keep trying to put these tools in your

629
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Speaker 4: toolbough And again, here's a hammer, here's a wrench. Like, okay,

630
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Speaker 4: that you don't need a hammer, now, great, Like, let's

631
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Speaker 4: try the wrench. And so I've found that we're pretty

632
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Speaker 4: non traditional or that it's particularly myself, Like I know,

633
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Speaker 4: I'm fairly non traditional, where like you're not going to

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Speaker 4: see anybody laying on a couch for you know, an

635
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Speaker 4: hour with me. I think I said that earlier, Like

636
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Speaker 4: sometimes it's five minutes and talking through something. Other times

637
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Speaker 4: it could be several hours where we're working through something.

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Speaker 4: Let's talk about something really specific. So again, I think

639
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Speaker 4: it's really important to know what tools do you hand them,

640
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Speaker 4: how how do we tweak it? All of the different

641
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 4: pieces is really really important.

642
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Speaker 1: Do you see trends in the kinds of sports that

643
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: create more stress or a different kind of stress, like say,

644
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: precision based, judged and scored sports like figure skating versus

645
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: a more free flowing and then scripted sport like hockey.

646
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Speaker 1: They're both stressed and there's a lot of pressure, but

647
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Speaker 1: it's a very different kind of planning and prep for

648
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Speaker 1: those two things.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you nailed it with that comment. Is

650
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Speaker 4: there's different prep, but I don't know that for a

651
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 4: particular person, they don't feel the stress, and so I

652
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 4: think it's all very individualized for the person, and so

653
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 4: someone could really feel like, gosh, hockey is so hard

654
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Speaker 4: for me because I don't want to let my team

655
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Speaker 4: down and I want to do X, Y and Z,

656
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Speaker 4: and you know, like you can have a few misses,

657
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Speaker 4: and then there's other sports that it's like, okay, this

658
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Speaker 4: is just on me. And you know, if you're in

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Speaker 4: track and you got to run the hundred, like that's seconds,

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Speaker 4: you know, and so how do you kind of execute

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Speaker 4: at your best there? But I think that there are

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Speaker 4: nuanced pieces to every sport that are so hard to

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Speaker 4: kind of understand for particularly the athletes in it. They're

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Speaker 4: going to say, Nope, this is still going to stress

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Speaker 4: me out, and I need to do X, Y and

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Speaker 4: Z and a team sports as an individual or like

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Speaker 4: the ball sports, the esthetic sports, there's always different pieces.

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Speaker 4: And my opinion is, you know, the typically the quote

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Speaker 4: unquote right personalities end up in those sports. Yeah, but

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Speaker 4: I think they're also going to end up stressing regardless.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what about you. We are all on our couches

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Speaker 1: during the Olympics. Alex and I will be there in

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Speaker 1: person this year, which I'm so excited for. But we're

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Speaker 1: all sitting there feeling every single second for these athletes,

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Speaker 1: the nerves for them and for their families and all

676
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Speaker 1: the work that went into it. You are working with

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Speaker 1: them for the quad, you are helping prepare them.

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Speaker 2: How do you watch them compete and not lose your mind.

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Speaker 4: We don't tend to go to a lot of events,

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Speaker 4: like we're typically back in the village and we're waiting

681
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Speaker 4: for the next person to go to the next competition,

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Speaker 4: and we're there in case all the things fall apart

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Speaker 4: and you need to fall apart there. So a lot

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Speaker 4: of times it's it is me also watching on a

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Speaker 4: couch and are you know, back in the in the

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Speaker 4: in the village. But I think that's okay, And so

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Speaker 4: it's having a bit of balance around like it is

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Speaker 4: out of my hands. It's yeah, you know, kind of

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Speaker 4: watching like your kids go off to school or something exactly.

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Speaker 2: But you have hundreds of them.

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Speaker 6: I hope I taught you well, your hundreds of.

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Speaker 1: Children are going to make you either sad or so

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Speaker 1: thrilled for them, depending on how the outcomes go. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, I've had really good mentors who have also said,

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Speaker 4: you know, if you don't want to take credits for

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Speaker 4: the winds, it's the.

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Speaker 6: Wins and the losses, it's all the things exactly.

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Speaker 1: You can't take credit for the loss.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And so I'm sitting here thinking, I'm like, you know,

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Speaker 4: I can only do so much, and I can give

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Speaker 4: them the tools, and then this is their moments, and

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Speaker 4: we call ourselves the team behind the team. And again,

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Speaker 4: I'm happy to just be in the background and a

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Speaker 4: part of the whole journey. But it's really cool to see.

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Speaker 1: Last two questions for you, I want to talk about

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Speaker 1: the Olympic letdown. What are some of the ways you've

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Speaker 1: seen it impact athletes and do you notice it consistently

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Speaker 1: showing up in medalists versus non medalists, versus the folks

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Speaker 1: who have a great outcome or the folk who are disappointed.

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Speaker 2: With how they did.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I love that you said the Olympic letdown because so

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Speaker 4: many people call it the blues. And I was like, gosh,

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Speaker 4: the number of times I've seen all the feelings, all

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Speaker 4: the like the good and the bad, and it's not

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Speaker 4: always depression and sometimes it's anxiety. And athletes are like,

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Speaker 4: did I capitalize on that moment? Like did I say

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Speaker 4: the right things on social media? Was that everything I

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Speaker 4: wanted it to be? And I've had so many athletes

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Speaker 4: who said it was everything they wanted to be. And

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Speaker 4: then there is the letdown. There is the like, oh shoot,

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Speaker 4: I didn't I didn't capitalize, and again I would say

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Speaker 4: letdown is again it's just what happens after. But it

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Speaker 4: is such a varying extreme. I vividly remember this in

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Speaker 4: one of my first games, is somebody placed twelve and

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Speaker 4: she had microphone stuck in her face and you didn't metal,

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Speaker 4: and she's like, are you kidding? That was better than

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Speaker 4: I thought I was going to do. And I just

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Speaker 4: that in that moment, I learned so much that we

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Speaker 4: don't want to make assumption. She was so proud of

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Speaker 4: twelfth place that, you know, I was like, I don't

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Speaker 4: think I ever want to make assumptions, and always ask

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Speaker 4: what was your experience?

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Speaker 6: How are you doing?

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Speaker 4: We do check in multiple times after the games to

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Speaker 4: make sure that athletes are aware, but we're always kind

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Speaker 4: of just you know, hey, we're here if you need

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Speaker 4: us and just want you to feel it all, feel

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Speaker 4: it all, and we're here if something doesn't feel right,

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Speaker 4: if you want to chat through something. So we just

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Speaker 4: keep reminding them that. But otherwise it is it is

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Speaker 4: so different for every athlete, and I haven't found a

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Speaker 4: common denominator about metals placing right, all of the things.

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Speaker 1: It might even be the person that you are going

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Speaker 1: and is still the person you are coming out. So

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Speaker 1: if you're eternally grateful in every situation and then you

747
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Speaker 1: have a bad one, you're still like, hey, cool, I

748
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Speaker 1: was at the Olympics. And if you're someone who stresses

749
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Speaker 1: and then you get gold, it's I'm already stressing about.

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Speaker 6: The next gold.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and you know it's really not about what happened,

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Speaker 1: it's about who you are. Do you talk about the

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Speaker 1: Olympic let down before the games? Yes, because a lot

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Speaker 1: of athletes know about this and hear about it. So

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Speaker 1: are you preparing them for that feeling to come? Whatever

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Speaker 1: that feeling.

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Speaker 6: Is, So we actually talk about it.

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Speaker 4: When they make Team USA, we start to talk about

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Speaker 4: our services, we start to talk about all the ups

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Speaker 4: and downs, we start to talk about the games, we

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Speaker 4: start to talk about post games. But we have found

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Speaker 4: that if you can normalize it from congratulations you made

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Speaker 4: Team USA, it doesn't mean you made the Olympics, but

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Speaker 4: you made the team. These are all the resources available

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Speaker 4: to you. Let's talk about it now. You may not

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Speaker 4: need it now. And then we do these annuals where

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Speaker 4: we're talking about it probably more than you would think.

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Speaker 4: Pretty much all every opportunity we get, and so I

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Speaker 4: think that normalizes a bit, which is great.

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Speaker 1: Okay. Last one, do you notice shifts after Olympics when

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Speaker 1: something major happens? Simone Bile's talking about the Twisties, Michael

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Speaker 1: Phelps talking about anxiety and depression. As someone who spends

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Speaker 1: her life working to normalize and destigmatize this incredible work

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Speaker 1: that you do. How meaningful is it when there's these

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Speaker 1: big public confessional moments in terms of other athletes open

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Speaker 1: up more that you work with, or average people in

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Speaker 1: your life starting to really get it more.

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Speaker 4: I don't even think I can share how impactful it

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Speaker 4: is those particular athletes coming out.

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Speaker 6: Any athlete.

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Speaker 4: I hate to say this, it's honestly anybody who has

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Speaker 4: a platform.

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Speaker 6: Talking about it.

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Speaker 4: So I would even saying, like podcast talking about it,

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Speaker 4: articles that come out. I just find that we have

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Speaker 4: kind of these seismic shifts when it's somebody like Big,

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Speaker 4: But then there's the other one, lots of athletes just

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Speaker 4: saying I prioritize mental health, or celebrities period, anybody with

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Speaker 4: a microphone. We see the shifts, and it's really incredible

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Speaker 4: because I still just think like the kids growing up

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Speaker 4: these days are going to end up in a much

792
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Speaker 4: different spot because they have so many people to look

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Speaker 4: up to that are saying it's okay to not be Okay,

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Speaker 4: I can talk to somebody, I can have a therapist,

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Speaker 4: you name it. All of it is shifting tremendously, especially

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Speaker 4: in the past few years. So it's been cool to watch.

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Speaker 2: Jess.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us. I always love

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Speaker 1: talking to you, and I really love getting the perspective

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Speaker 1: of these people on the ground at the Olympics that

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Speaker 1: we might not think about that are just as important

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Speaker 1: as the ones tightening the bolts on the bob sled

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Speaker 1: and yelling from the side of the ice and everything else.

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Speaker 1: So just enjoy your time out there, and thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for talking to us.

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Speaker 6: Thank you so much. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Thanks again to Jess for hanging out with us.

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Speaker 1: We want to thank several slices for doing their Slice

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Speaker 1: Austria's Claudia Riegler just completed her fifth Winter Olympics at

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Speaker 2: Incredible.

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Speaker 1: Also incredible accidentally taking a chunk out of your eyebrow

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