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Speaker 1: about on this edition of Defending the Kingdom, of course,

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Speaker 1: Mitchelter's voice to the Chiefs along with senior team reporter

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Speaker 1: Matt McMullen. One thing that you do so well, whether

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Speaker 1: Yes there's history here, pats one and four against the

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Speaker 2: And the historic nature of this game.

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Speaker 1: We're trying to get ready. You can tell Matt and

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Speaker 3: I was watching the CFP National Championship game last night

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Speaker 3: But you're right, we need to distract ourselves briefly. Here

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Speaker 3: very logical. Shout out to you. Heard from Mary. She's

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Speaker 2: Okay. Also home of Allen County Community College.

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Speaker 1: If Tennessee knew how many teams are losing, he's in

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Speaker 3: same logo. I digress. We have a listener from Toronto.

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Speaker 1: I know at Cashville every just went nuts and Castell.

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Speaker 1: You don't know where Cashville is at. So the homework

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Speaker 1: this week is Ashgrove.

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Speaker 3: Trisha is from Sydney, Australia. Augustine is riding in from Ghana.

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Speaker 1: The Buffalo Bills. You admire what they've done. Josh Allen

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Speaker 2: Wow? Think who it was?

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Speaker 3: I want to say Juju, but it's not. Juju's Justin Watson. Watson,

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Speaker 3: It feels like Juju never left, but he did. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: The turnover margin is the game, and it's always important

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Speaker 3: Buffalo forced thirty three turnovers this year, third most in

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Speaker 3: These guys live and breathe off takeaways. It's fueled their

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Speaker 3: Mahomes has won thirty seven consecutive games in which the

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Speaker 1: It's been crazy. The last time the Chiefs turned it

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Speaker 2: Knock unwood.

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Speaker 3: Yes, wherever you are, knock on wood.

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Speaker 1: But let's go taking your numbers even a little bit further.

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Speaker 3: And what's so funny, there's a million ways to talk

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Speaker 1: And yet you still have to attack without turning the

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Speaker 3: And still some things were out of your control. You

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Speaker 4: like it's a full circle moment for me that when

436
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Speaker 4: we do play them will be three hundred and sixty

437
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Speaker 4: three games from when I got hurt to that day

438
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Speaker 4: of the time span of like from my injury to

439
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Speaker 4: being back in the same moment. So it's gonna be good.

440
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Speaker 4: My mind is set on trying to make more plays

441
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Speaker 4: and this time be able to step foot in the

442
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Speaker 4: super Bowl and make impact there.

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Speaker 1: Yes, sir, we cannot wait for that. Your ability to

444
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Speaker 1: play both inside and outside has been key. What about

445
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Speaker 1: having the mindset of you can be as forceful being

446
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Speaker 1: on the inside as well as the outside.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I think that's what I tip my hand

448
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Speaker 4: as a player that I can play the run inside,

449
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Speaker 4: I can play the run outside and rustro Pester inside

450
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Speaker 4: and Ropesta outside. So it gives no limit for where

451
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Speaker 4: I can be at, where I can line up at

452
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Speaker 4: as song as I have opportunity to rush, be one

453
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Speaker 4: on one with somebody. Eventually I'll get through. And like

454
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Speaker 4: I said, part of me was kind of frustrated with

455
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Speaker 4: myself in the regular season that I wanted to do

456
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Speaker 4: more in that aspect, but I at times have to

457
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Speaker 4: give myself grace and know that it's coming. And I

458
00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,119
Speaker 4: was very big and like self talk as far as

459
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Speaker 4: this last game of having a complete game, and yes,

460
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Speaker 4: I had the strip sack, but I also was heavily

461
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Speaker 4: involved in the run game, setting edges, how I know

462
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Speaker 4: it's supposed to be done playing the tight end, how

463
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Speaker 4: I've done my whole career, and just continue to show

464
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Speaker 4: that all because I had the injury doesn't mean anything.

465
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Speaker 4: I've recovered fully from that and I'm ready to make

466
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Speaker 4: the impact of the same level or even more that

467
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Speaker 4: I did last year throughout the year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, playing your position is a lot more than just

469
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Speaker 3: the sacks. You're good at that part, though, And one

470
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Speaker 3: thing that's kind of unique about you is you always

471
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Speaker 3: go for the quarterbacks arm when they're wearing back to throw.

472
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Speaker 3: That's where you get all those strip sacks. That's a

473
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Speaker 3: mentality thing. Where did you learn that?

474
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Speaker 2: Where did I learn that?

475
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Speaker 4: I would say I was doing that a lot in college,

476
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Speaker 4: to be honest, watching when I was growing up, just

477
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Speaker 4: watching defensive line, watch DeMarcus a lot. Me and Dewear

478
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 4: had worked out probably my second year in the league.

479
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Speaker 4: In the offseason, I was working with him, and he

480
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Speaker 4: would always talk to me about that seeing JJ being

481
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Speaker 4: with JJ, he did it a lot. So I was like, well,

482
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Speaker 4: those two are really really great players, and the impact

483
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Speaker 4: it is to get strips aside them just a regular

484
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Speaker 4: sack is night and day. So I always told myself, like,

485
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Speaker 4: these quarterbacks are not that difficult to get down, so

486
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Speaker 4: you might as well try and get the ball and

487
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Speaker 4: make a huge game changing play. And all my playoff

488
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 4: games that I've played in since my third in the league,

489
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Speaker 4: I've done that, and I just tell myself just keep

490
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Speaker 4: going after the ball.

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Speaker 3: There are a few things better than seeing the panic

492
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Speaker 3: on the quarterback's face when they realize the ball has

493
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Speaker 3: been stripped away and they're like where to go? Yes, yeah,

494
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Speaker 3: it's great.

495
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Speaker 2: I love it. Yea.

496
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you more about that, but I'm going

497
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Speaker 1: to go to Josh Allen right now. And the fact

498
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Speaker 1: that they do run it, whether it's Cook, whether it's Johnson,

499
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Speaker 1: whether it's Davis, but Josh playing him.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been saying this. I think Josh is an

501
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Speaker 4: extremely elite quarterback, very elite to be his size, rocket

502
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Speaker 4: arm and then be able to run the way he

503
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Speaker 4: can and I just personally thought that, like, he'll get

504
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Speaker 4: out no matter what. He's a guy that can get

505
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Speaker 4: out regardless. So you just want to apply and as

506
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,440
Speaker 4: much person as you can shrink the pocket on him,

507
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 4: make it to where he has no escape plane, and

508
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Speaker 4: then when he starts to take off, you get off

509
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Speaker 4: your block and try and finish the job. So that's

510
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Speaker 4: much respect to him. I think he's top three quarterback

511
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Speaker 4: in the league for sure, and he's one of those

512
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Speaker 4: guys I think there's like a super competitor, Like there's

513
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Speaker 4: competitiveness and there's like ultra competitiveness, and he falls in

514
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Speaker 4: that category.

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Speaker 3: Of course, that's the only game that we've lost this year,

516
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Speaker 3: if you take out the Week eighteen game. Watching that game,

517
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Speaker 3: of course, you weren't on the field.

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Speaker 2: I don't think.

519
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Speaker 3: Are you thinking if I'm out there, I can make

520
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Speaker 3: a player or two and now you get that chance.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, like you said, I wasn't there when

522
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Speaker 4: they went up to Buffalo and played, and I watched

523
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Speaker 4: the game. I've watched the Buffalo that game, and then

524
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Speaker 4: I watched the regular season game we had last year.

525
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Speaker 4: I watched the playoff game we had. Then I watched

526
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Speaker 4: them versus Baltimore. So I've quite watched quite a bit

527
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Speaker 4: of their tape, and there will be opportunities I'll be

528
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Speaker 4: able to impact in the run in the past game,

529
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Speaker 4: and when I do get the opportunity to get around him,

530
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Speaker 4: I mean no longer time.

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Speaker 1: Final question it deals with I'm amazed at your wingspan

532
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Speaker 1: and how you use it. I remember the play against

533
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Speaker 1: Easton Stick last year, the ninety seven yard scooping score.

534
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Speaker 3: It's his favorite play.

535
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: It's like elongated Man or whatever, like you know, some

536
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Speaker 1: some superhero that just goes what about your wings spann

537
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Speaker 1: and how you use it?

538
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Speaker 2: Yeah, like I said, it just goes back to.

539
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Speaker 4: I think great players make those exceptional plays. There's, like

540
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Speaker 4: I said, I've said, a sack is good. But if

541
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Speaker 4: you took the ball away and your teammate picks it

542
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 4: up and he goes scores, it's four minutes ago. They're

543
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:31,959
Speaker 4: trying to tie the game or win the game, and

544
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 4: you strip sack them, the game's over. It's a euphoric

545
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Speaker 4: feeling that I want all the time.

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Speaker 3: Let's do that on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we kind of want that feeling too, But everyone

548
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Speaker 1: out there, everyone watching listening to this podcast needs you

549
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Speaker 1: know how hard this dude works right here for this.

550
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Speaker 2: Moment, appreciate them.

551
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Speaker 1: So excited for him. It reminds me of the story

552
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Speaker 1: of One Thornhill. One Thorn Hill in twenty nineteen. Really good,

553
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 1: really good safety for us right now Cleveland Brown. But

554
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Speaker 1: at the end of the regular season he tore his

555
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Speaker 1: knee up. He missed the run to Super Bowl fifty four.

556
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Speaker 1: In that championship. He's such a good dude. I remember

557
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: those setting with him in his locker. Everybody's celebrating right

558
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: in the champagne and cigars and all that stuff, and

559
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: he was sitting there going, I really wasn't part of this.

560
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Speaker 1: I'm happy, but I really wasn't part of it. And

561
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Speaker 1: then he got the chance to be healthy and win

562
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl fifty seven.

563
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Speaker 2: Here's Charles Amnhu, we don't.

564
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Speaker 1: And you said it to him, and in the interview

565
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Speaker 1: where we probably don't get to the Super Bowl last

566
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Speaker 1: year without a Menahu and what he did in the

567
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Speaker 1: game against these guys and the game against the Ravens,

568
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Speaker 1: and yet he tears his acl and a year later

569
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Speaker 1: he gets the same chance One Thornhill gets you. Just

570
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Speaker 1: this story is very.

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Speaker 3: Very rare do you remember a luke O Shaver?

572
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Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, with the Royals.

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Speaker 3: So there's a very similar parallel story here where luke

574
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Speaker 3: O Shaver was going to be the Royals closer in

575
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Speaker 3: twenty fourteen. Really remembers this because the way Davis was

576
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 3: so good, but Luke Hoas Shaver.

577
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Speaker 1: And under a lot of criticism because he was supposed

578
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Speaker 1: to be high draft pick, right, yeah, number one over

579
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 1: hip back and it's supposed to be like twenty game

580
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 1: winner every year and that didn't happen, and everybody's down

581
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: on him, like, no, no worse than this guy.

582
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Speaker 3: On twenty fourteen in training camp, he blows out his

583
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Speaker 3: elbow and the Royals weren't supposed to be super good

584
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Speaker 3: that year, like maybe they'll compete and not go to

585
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Speaker 3: the World Series. And he told the reporters the thing

586
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Speaker 3: I'm most disappointed about is that I won't be on

587
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Speaker 3: the pile at the end of the year when we

588
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Speaker 3: win the whole thing, and everyone kind of laughed at him. Well,

589
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 3: the Royals went to the World Series that year, didn't

590
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Speaker 3: win it. But the following year, Luca Shaver came back

591
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Speaker 3: and Lucas Shaver was on the mound when the Royals.

592
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Speaker 3: I think took the lead in that game and of

593
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 3: course got a World Series ring. All his rehab was

594
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Speaker 3: about getting back to that moment, and he got back

595
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Speaker 3: and was part of a World Series champion. So I

596
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 3: say all this because Luke or Charles Mine, who was

597
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 3: in a similar situation where he helped the Chiefs get

598
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Speaker 3: to the super Bowl last year, like I told him,

599
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Speaker 3: and like you just said, I don't think the Chiefs

600
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Speaker 3: get to the super Bowl without his efforts. But now

601
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 3: he has a chance to not only get back to

602
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 3: that game, but to help us win it. And I

603
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,199
Speaker 3: think it's so cool because those things are not necessarily

604
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 3: in his control. All he can control are you know,

605
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 3: his rehab and making sure he's ready for the moment.

606
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 3: But the moment's here, and his preparation, everything that he's

607
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 3: done to get to this moment is kind of colliding

608
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 3: with the Chief's opportunity. That's really cool, and we're going

609
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 3: to need him against Josh Allen on Sunday. But glad

610
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Speaker 3: Charles is on our side.

611
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Speaker 2: We'll close this way.

612
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Speaker 1: But the second key point not only to giveaway takeaway,

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Speaker 1: which is dramatic.

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Speaker 2: If you look at the Buffalo.

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Speaker 1: Bills season who does Buffalo Who in the NFC reminds

616
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Speaker 1: you of Buffalo? Because I started calling this a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Oh man, you're letting me on the spot here. I'm

618
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 3: trying to think, Man, my bad.

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Speaker 2: I shouldn't do it. Bufalo Eagles.

620
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Speaker 3: Oh okay, I was gonna save Philadelphia.

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Speaker 1: This is the Buffalo Eagles. Yeah, because in a lot

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Speaker 1: of ways. Yeah, And here's why. They have run the

623
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Speaker 1: ball very effectively. And the Chiefs. I love the Chiefs

624
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Speaker 1: three headed monster. Talk about Isaiah Pacheco, Kareem Hunt, what

625
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: he's meant, sam I JP Ryan. They also have a

626
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: three headed monster because rookie Ray Davis has been very.

627
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Speaker 2: Effective for them.

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Speaker 1: But you throw him in with Johnson, and then you

629
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Speaker 1: throw him in with Cook who's had an amazing season.

630
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: And then the ability of Josh Allen to run the

631
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Speaker 1: ball either by design or by ad libbing, and Josh

632
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: would probably be the MVP. I went back and looked

633
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: at the three games, the two games in the playoffs

634
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: and the November seventeen game against US. Twenty three times

635
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: the Bills had followed me here on this second and

636
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: four to go for a first down or less third

637
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: and two to go for a first down or less.

638
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: Nineteen out of the twenty three times they convert for

639
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Speaker 1: a first down. Of the four they didn't, three of

640
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: the four led to the next down where they did convert.

641
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: Think of the fourth and two touchdown by Josh Allen

642
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: to seal the game back on November seventeenth. The point

643
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: here matt is winning on f down is paramount. First

644
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: downs are touchdowns in this game, where if they get

645
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: you the bills into second and four or less or

646
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: third and two or less, it becomes they could be

647
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Speaker 1: tush push whatever. But when they have you there, they're

648
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: like Muhammad Ali having you on the.

649
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Speaker 3: Ropes, and they've really perfected that over the years. I

650
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 3: remember thinking about to the twenty twenty one playoff game

651
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Speaker 3: against these guys. It was the same thought process where

652
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Speaker 3: if they're in third and three, they're probably gonna pick

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Speaker 3: it up, and it's just really, really difficult because Josh

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Speaker 3: Allen is such a unique talent where he's huge. He's

655
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Speaker 3: way bigger than people realize until you actually see him.

656
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Speaker 3: It's ridiculous how fast he is for how big he is,

657
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Speaker 3: and he runs quarterback power better than just about anybody.

658
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Speaker 3: So yeah, keeping them in long third downs is important.

659
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Speaker 3: What's kind of interesting is looking back at the week

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Speaker 3: eleven game, the long third downs is kind of where

661
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 3: the Bills burn the Chiefs, because I think we did

662
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 3: a pretty decent job of keeping them in a lot

663
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Speaker 3: of long third downs for the most part, particularly early

664
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Speaker 3: on in drives. But we got burned because they can

665
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 3: averted six third downs that were third and six or longer.

666
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 3: They had a third and six and a third and

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00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 3: nine on their opening touchdown drive in that game. A

668
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 3: third and nine early in the second quarter converted via

669
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 3: penalty led to a touchdown. Another third and nine early

670
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 3: in the third quarter, converted via penalty led to another touchdown.

671
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 3: Then people forget about this. We all remember the fourth

672
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 3: and two run by Allen that sealed the game. And

673
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 3: what's so interesting is, of course that the Chiefs could

674
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 3: a stop there, we would have a chance to go

675
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 3: win the game or tie the game or whatever. Well,

676
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 3: right before that sequence of downs, there was a third

677
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 3: and nine closer to midfield that Allen found Khalil Shakir

678
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 3: for ten yards and was it Brian Cook. Someone laid

679
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 3: a big hit on him and he held on somehow

680
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 3: barely got the first down that led to a new

681
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 3: sequence of downs that eventually led to the fourth and two.

682
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Speaker 3: If you stop the Bills on third and nine a midfield,

683
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 3: I don't think they go for it. They maybe kick

684
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 3: a field goal, they maybe punt, and the Chiefs have

685
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 3: a chance to go win or tie the game. When

686
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 3: you have the Bills and long third downs, you've got

687
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 3: to get them off the field. And the good news

688
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 3: is we didn't have Charles in that game, didn't have

689
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 3: Gillen Watson in that game. That makes a big, big

690
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 3: difference in my opinion. So I agree with your point.

691
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 3: Got to make sure they're in long third downs, and

692
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 3: when they are, you got to win more often than not.

693
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Speaker 1: I'll even clue long second downs. Yeah, you've got to

694
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: put them in long second downs. They get five or

695
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: six on first down. Goes back to my stat that

696
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: I just gave you. It's almost automatic to get at

697
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: least a first down or put you on the heels.

698
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: So let's flip this over to the other side. If

699
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: you're looking for a cavity in the Bills, they were

700
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: last in the league this year in third down or

701
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: six or more. This goes to your point on the converse,

702
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: when their defense faced the opponent going third or six

703
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: and more. They allowed a first down or longer thirty

704
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: four percent of the time, last in the league, So

705
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: there's some chance to turn the cannon on them. Protection's key.

706
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: We know about Rousseau, Oliver's a beast, Epanessa, the Iowa guy,

707
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: and then they've they've got Milano back a linebacker, but

708
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: a little bit different Buffalo team. They're just and I

709
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: give them a lot of credit. This was supposed to

710
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: be a year they were going to cut adjust the cap,

711
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: like a year they might slide back the windows closing.

712
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: Now here they are, But when you look at this team,

713
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's the same as what you get

714
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Speaker 1: in a national perception.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I agree with you. And there defense overall

716
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 3: to your point, I mean, they've allowed the fourth most

717
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 3: first downs of any team in the league. They're number

718
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 3: twenty nine in the league on third down, number sixteen.

719
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 3: Red zone defense, they've allowed thirty nine ten play drives,

720
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 3: fifth most in the NFL. But here's what they do.

721
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 3: They force you to run a bunch of plays in

722
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 3: their kind of banking on the fact you're probably going

723
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 3: to make a mistake. And to their credit, that's happened

724
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 3: all year long, where teams have made mistakes against them,

725
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 3: they've maybe moved the ball a little bit. And you

726
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 3: kind of made this point that it's a lot of

727
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 3: times after a double digit gain, and we saw this

728
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 3: with Mark Andrews in the divisional game last week where

729
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 3: big game, big first down, they punch the ball out,

730
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 3: you're feeling really good, you're running down field, they punch

731
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 3: the ball out in this game, if the Chiefs can

732
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 3: execute a methodical game plan, you move down the field,

733
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 3: you protect the football, and you convert in the red zone,

734
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 3: which they did a great job of back in Week eleven.

735
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,439
Speaker 3: There were three for three in terms of red zone

736
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 3: touchdown efficiency in that game. That's why it all comes

737
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 3: down to just a turnover or two, because these are

738
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 3: two really good teams competing against one another, and they're

739
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 3: really evenly matched in so many ways. But yeah, you

740
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 3: can move the ball on this Bills defense, but they

741
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 3: force mistakes and you have to make sure that you

742
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 3: play mistake free football against these guys. One player I'm

743
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 3: watching is Xavier Worthy because if you look back at

744
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 3: that Week eleven game, that was kind of Xavier Worthy's

745
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 3: coming out party. He had four catches for sixty one

746
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 3: yards and a touchdown in that game. He has at

747
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 3: least forty receiving yards and every single game he has

748
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 3: played in since that day, he kind of graduated in

749
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 3: my mind to what he is now in that game,

750
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 3: and also DeAndre Hopkins likely gets a bigger snap count

751
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 3: in this game than he did the first time around

752
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 3: because he was still kind of new in that game.

753
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 3: Hollywood Brown didn't play in that game, so there's a

754
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 3: lot of factors that that Week eleven game is interesting

755
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 3: and it's important to look at. But this is kind

756
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 3: of two different teams competing against one another in this

757
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,959
Speaker 3: one because to be fair, the Bills didn't have Dalton

758
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 3: Kincaid didn't have Keon Coleman in that game, so they

759
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 3: know each other well. But it's also kind of a

760
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 3: new battle too.

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00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Noah Gray was big in this game MI on

762
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: November seventeenth. I remember he was part of the red

763
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 1: zone two touchdown of the three.

764
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Speaker 2: But we know this. We can break this game down

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Speaker 2: a thousand.

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00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: Ways, but we are as certain that we know it's

767
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: the Bills and the Chiefs. But in this unique circumstance,

768
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 1: use this unique historic circumstance, that is the moment