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Speaker 2: back together. Buck, we're by the looks of things, where

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Speaker 2: I feel like we're I feel like this many one

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Speaker 1: We said, oh my gosh, this is a perfect fit

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Speaker 1: for Christian. So we put that in for him, and

433
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Speaker 1: we had guards that could pull in athletics. So we

434
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Speaker 1: had that group of guys. Okay, you know what, let's

435
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Speaker 1: do this. We had a Josh Garnett who end up

436
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Speaker 1: winning the Outlet Trophy, who's probably the best pulling guard

437
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Speaker 1: I've ever been around. So now, looking at your scheme,

438
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Speaker 1: we can have the same philosophy, but now it has

439
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Speaker 1: to look different because our players are different.

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Speaker 2: Well you mentioned see Mac. I want to ask you

441
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Speaker 2: about that because we had this discussion. I know you

442
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Speaker 2: had it as well. Covering the draft and being involved

443
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Speaker 2: in the coverage. You know, you got guys like Bjeon

444
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Speaker 2: Robinson in last year's clash, look at Ja Mirror Gibbs,

445
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Speaker 2: and there was you know, we end up with two

446
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Speaker 2: running backs going in the first round. And I was

447
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Speaker 2: kind of advocating through the process and Buckett are having

448
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Speaker 2: these discussions about you know, there's kind of what we

449
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Speaker 2: almost need to give some of these guys their own designation,

450
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Speaker 2: maybe rebrand the position a little bit, because you know,

451
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Speaker 2: we're not talking about two down players. We're talking about

452
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Speaker 2: guys that can not only catch the ball of the backfield.

453
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Speaker 2: You can put guys out on the route, you can

454
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Speaker 2: get them out in the slot, you can split them

455
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Speaker 2: out wide Christian Obviously, you go back to when he

456
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Speaker 2: was coming out the combine, he had the best wide

457
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Speaker 2: receiver workout of anybody at the entire combine as a

458
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Speaker 2: running back. So we label Nickels nickels. Right, we have

459
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Speaker 2: corner pile. I used to always when we were starting

460
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Speaker 2: in the draft a million years ago, they were all

461
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Speaker 2: in the corner pile. Then when you're be able to

462
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Speaker 2: pull the Nickels out and made them their own position,

463
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Speaker 2: is it time David again be running an NFL team

464
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Speaker 2: next year where there's not saying all the running backs,

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Speaker 2: but there are those special ones that I almost feel

466
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Speaker 2: like we need to pull them out of that position.

467
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Speaker 2: I don't know what we call it, but we almost

468
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Speaker 2: need to rebrand it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would just assume call it the c Mac.

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Speaker 1: Right there, you go, the Mac, the sea guy that

471
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Speaker 1: you can't put in a box. Right there are running backs.

472
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Speaker 1: And I agree, and I watched, of course, both of

473
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Speaker 1: you guys allth we're going through all the draft process

474
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Speaker 1: and your your podcasts and your all your stuff the

475
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Speaker 1: NFL network and other places where I agree that the

476
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Speaker 1: position of running back has been devalued. It just has been.

477
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Speaker 1: That's just the way we're playing today. That's fine. You

478
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Speaker 1: need to right, having one super star and good enough anyway,

479
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Speaker 1: you need to have two really good solid backs. And

480
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Speaker 1: they could have the same style, they can have different style,

481
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Speaker 1: but there's a difference maker position. Like a Christian McCaffrey,

482
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Speaker 1: like Bijon, like you know, say quads, they're not like

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Speaker 1: everybody else right there. Yeah, they can get you, you know,

484
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Speaker 1: twelve hundred yards on the ground, but they might get

485
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Speaker 1: you eight hundred yards in the air. For some of

486
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Speaker 1: those guys, they're going to get you. They could be

487
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Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl returner also. And like you said, but

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Speaker 1: Christian Christian Christian could be a starting wide receiver in

489
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Speaker 1: the NFL right now, there's no question about it. He's

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Speaker 1: probably the best slot receiver in the league. When they

491
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Speaker 1: put him out there, you can't cover him. His short

492
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Speaker 1: air of quickness is insane. So when you have a

493
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Speaker 1: guy like that, he's not a running back, right, he's

494
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Speaker 1: a five tool guy. Right. He's a guy that you

495
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Speaker 1: can place anywhere that they can't get a beat on him.

496
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Speaker 1: The guy that lines up seven yards back there or

497
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Speaker 1: now everybody's in the shotgun and five and a half

498
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Speaker 1: yards back there, right, and you know where he's going

499
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Speaker 1: and he's coming out of the back. Go Okay, great,

500
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Speaker 1: that's a position and it's valuable, but it's not as

501
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Speaker 1: valuable as a guy now that can line up anywhere

502
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Speaker 1: and do anything. One of the most fun I've had

503
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Speaker 1: a practice in my sixteen years at Stanford was the

504
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Speaker 1: Christian's two years where he was the guy. He would

505
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Speaker 1: go to one on ones with the wide receivers and

506
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Speaker 1: dvs and I think in two years he was probably

507
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Speaker 1: covered twice, right, I mean he was, and he would

508
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Speaker 1: get upset because he's like, the first route is always

509
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Speaker 1: going to be a go route, like Christian, we gotta

510
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Speaker 1: we gotta mix it up. I know he said, I

511
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Speaker 1: need to get trust me. They respect you, so I

512
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Speaker 1: want to I want those guys to respect me. I'm

513
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Speaker 1: going to go the first run, but now they know

514
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Speaker 1: you're going to go, and it didn't matter. He's still

515
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Speaker 1: run behind you jump over. So it's one of those

516
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Speaker 1: deals to where this guy could play anything. So that, yeah,

517
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Speaker 1: I agree that he's not a running back. He can

518
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Speaker 1: affect the game in so many different ways. In any

519
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Speaker 1: way that you can isolate him against another human being

520
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Speaker 1: is a win for your team. That is a different position.

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Speaker 1: That's what Bijon gives you. This guy can catch it

522
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Speaker 1: out of the backfield, he can line up out there,

523
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Speaker 1: he can go deep. I mean, how many times during

524
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Speaker 1: the year did he go deep up the seams and

525
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Speaker 1: just run by people and make these those difficult, awkward

526
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Speaker 1: back shoulder catches. He's not a running back, so I

527
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Speaker 1: was wondering if anybody was going to have that in

528
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Speaker 1: them to say we're going to make this pick because

529
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Speaker 1: we see it that way. And I was excited that

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Speaker 1: the Atlanta Falcons did that.

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Speaker 3: I want to lean on your experience with Bill Walsh

532
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Speaker 3: because having played under Mike Holmgren, Mike Hongrean always would

533
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Speaker 3: coach Walsh and everything was about what he learned from

534
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Speaker 3: coach wah. So I learned something from coach Holmgan. I

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Speaker 3: want to see if you learned this from Bill Walsh

536
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Speaker 3: as well. He talked about practice standards, and he talked

537
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Speaker 3: about when we are operating on offense, a good practice

538
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Speaker 3: day is when the ball does not hit the ground

539
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Speaker 3: the way it's efficient, it's effective, We're in and out.

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Speaker 3: When you go back and thinking about your time playing

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Speaker 3: for coach Walsh and all the things that you learn

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Speaker 3: when it comes to setting high practice standards. What exactly

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Speaker 3: did you learn from him?

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Speaker 1: Just getting the job done wasn't good enough? Right. It

545
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Speaker 1: wasn't that the ball got completed. It was the ball,

546
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Speaker 1: the foot in front of the numbers or not right?

547
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 1: Was the ball placed properly? Did the receiver have to

548
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 1: break stride? Right? Did you get sixteen yards or did

549
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: you get fifteen and a half? Then that was built

550
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Speaker 1: like it was. It was like he didn't care that

551
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Speaker 1: the ball was completed. He didn't care that the quarterback

552
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Speaker 1: got the ball off if there was anybody near him, gush,

553
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Speaker 1: You know, a line coach needs to take that tackle

554
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Speaker 1: back over there and work on his kicksteps to make

555
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Speaker 1: sure there's nobody around the quarterback. It was the desire

556
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Speaker 1: to reach perfection, right, and you have to have that desire.

557
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Speaker 1: Will you ever reach perfection? Absolutely not, but it was

558
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Speaker 1: that was the coach's job on practice to say everybody

559
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Speaker 1: has to be perfect. And the Bill Waltsh's analogies. I

560
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Speaker 1: would still use them with our guys, and a lot

561
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Speaker 1: of them they know what the Bill Walsh's name is

562
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 1: kind of, but they don't really know. And like Bill

563
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 1: would talk about a symphony, right, Well, I'm not. Football

564
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 1: coaches don't talk about that. They want to talk like

565
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Speaker 1: it like it's a you know, car crash, do you know?

566
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Speaker 1: Bill was like, no, like it's it's musical, like it

567
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: has to be a symphony. Like everything's perfectly orchestrated, everything

568
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Speaker 1: smooth and efficient. And when you go back and you

569
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Speaker 1: watch those teams, that's the way Joe Montana played, That's

570
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Speaker 1: the way Steve Young played, that's the way Jerry Rice played,

571
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Speaker 1: That's way Roger Craig played. It was beautiful. It was beauty.

572
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Speaker 1: It was it was it was rhythm, and yes there's

573
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Speaker 1: a violence and a physicality to it, but you watch

574
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Speaker 1: those teams play, watch those offensive lines played with Bob mccittrick, right,

575
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Speaker 1: and everything was just blocked perfectly and the seams were there.

576
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Speaker 1: So it was really about not just getting the job done,

577
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Speaker 1: but how well can you get it done? Can you

578
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Speaker 1: get to perfection? Can your hand be exactly where it's

579
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Speaker 1: supposed to be? And I had one, and I still

580
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Speaker 1: feel so bad about it because I would get so upset.

581
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Speaker 1: Our twelve out Our out routes were twelve yards right

582
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Speaker 1: speed cut Baltimany caught it twelve yards and I was

583
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Speaker 1: a ze so I was off the ball. And that

584
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Speaker 1: was back when we actually had to be off the

585
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Speaker 1: ball right right now, we had to be clearly off

586
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Speaker 1: the ball. And my stride was perfect for eleven yards

587
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Speaker 1: and Bill would be on me, it's supposed to be twelve.

588
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't get to twelve. But it was

589
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Speaker 1: one of those things too, like he didn't care that

590
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Speaker 1: it was a first down, he didn't care that the

591
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Speaker 1: ball was he didn't care that my route was great.

592
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Speaker 1: He was like, can we get one more yard out

593
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: of your route? So I tried to creep up. So

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Speaker 1: it was that feeling of Gosh, everything has to be perfect,

595
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Speaker 1: and when you can find a coach that believes in

596
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Speaker 1: that and a group of players that feels that way too.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's what you see in a lot

598
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Speaker 1: of the best teams in the NFL. That's what you

599
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: see in Kansas City, that's what you see in Philadelphia.

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Speaker 1: You see these teams that have enough guys that they

601
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: want to do it perfectly. They want to be great,

602
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 1: and they want to be great on every single play.

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Speaker 2: Coach, you just mentioned some a lot of stuff I'd

604
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Speaker 2: like to get to here. But when we look at

605
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Speaker 2: the quarterback position under coach Walsh, obviously nobody did it

606
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Speaker 2: better in terms of creating an environment for these guys

607
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Speaker 2: to flourish, not only from a scheme standpoint, a personnel standpoint,

608
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 2: maybe even just a psychological standpoint, kind of building that

609
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 2: could koon where you can grow as successful in this

610
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 2: case Hall of Fame quarterback. You just saw a bunch

611
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 2: of quarterbacks go off the board in the first round.

612
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 2: These guys are going into new situations. What do you

613
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 2: think is important in terms of the foundation to be

614
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 2: put in place for these guys, not saying they're going

615
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Speaker 2: to be Hall of famers, Pro Bowls are even great,

616
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Speaker 2: just to give them a chance. What you have to

617
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Speaker 2: do to give these young quarterbacks a chance?

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Speaker 1: So I always approached like a coach, right, And so

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Speaker 1: for me as a coach, Number one is where is

620
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Speaker 1: this guy? Where is he mentally? Where is he physically?

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Speaker 1: Where is he come competitively? Where is he off schedule wise? Like?

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Speaker 1: Where is he? What can he do? What can't he do?

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Speaker 1: Let's start there, and sometimes your answer you get to

624
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Speaker 1: is he's just not ready, right, There's too much that

625
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: he has to learn. And you can't learn on the job,

626
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: you learn in practice. Right, So some guys just aren't ready,

627
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Speaker 1: no matter how talented they are and how good they

628
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: might be down the road. You play a guy too early,

629
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Speaker 1: you can ruin him and I can get fired, right,

630
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: two things you got to worry about. So some guys

631
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Speaker 1: aren't ready. If a guy is ready, okay, great, you

632
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: start with the downside. What is too much? And that's

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Speaker 1: what John grud I thought did a great job. We

634
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Speaker 1: just let's test these guys. Let's push these guys early

635
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: and make it really really hard for him, so we

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Speaker 1: know where the line is. How much is too much?

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00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: How much can we put on his plate? Okay, now

638
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: we know how much we can't do to him. Now

639
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: we know what we can do with him. And then

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00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: the second part for me is to me, there's three parts.

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Speaker 1: That's the first part. Where is he What can he

642
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: do next? Is the most important thing outside of that.

643
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: What do we have around him? Right? How's the offensive line,

644
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,239
Speaker 1: how's the defense? Right? Because we've got to be able

645
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Speaker 1: to get him the ball back and we've got to

646
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Speaker 1: be able to cover his his his mistakes. He's going

647
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: to throw a couple of interceptions. We gotta have a

648
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Speaker 1: defense that can protect them, get an offensive line that

649
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: can protect them, and we've got to have a running game.

650
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Speaker 1: He's got to be able to depend on something else.

651
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Speaker 1: Let's say he throws a bad ball. Okay, great, we

652
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: got to get him back out, get him some cheapies,

653
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Speaker 1: but let's run the ball. Let's get some offensive efficiency

654
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Speaker 1: going outside of just counting on his arm. And then

655
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Speaker 1: the third thing for me is, Okay, what are the

656
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Speaker 1: weapons around him? Who are they, what do they do well?

657
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Speaker 1: And then meshing what they do well with what he

658
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Speaker 1: does well. Three step quick game, all that stuff. Screens, Yeah,

659
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Speaker 1: that's great, but we also have to throw the ball

660
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: down the field in the NFL win So what routes

661
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: can these guys run. Do we have a tight end

662
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Speaker 1: that can win one once? Do we have a Christian

663
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: McCaffrey that can make everybody's life easier no matter what

664
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Speaker 1: position that is. Do we have adult and Schultz that

665
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Speaker 1: can be a great blocking tight end but can also

666
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Speaker 1: win inside where the quarterback needs to step up and

667
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Speaker 1: find that guy over the ball. So those are the

668
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Speaker 1: things for me that we've got to be able to

669
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Speaker 1: protect him with the offensive line the running game in

670
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Speaker 1: the defense, and then what does he do well mesh

671
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Speaker 1: that with his weapons and give ourselves the best chance

672
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Speaker 1: to be successful.

673
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Speaker 2: Buck, Can I ask a question for you, Bucky. I'm

674
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Speaker 2: going to prompt Bucky to ask the question that I

675
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Speaker 2: love when he asked this question, because long ago he

676
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Speaker 2: came up with this theory, which we've used bunch on

677
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Speaker 2: the pod. Buck about when you have old quarterbacks, what

678
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Speaker 2: the weapons can look like. But then maybe with young

679
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 2: quarterbacks what you need there? Buck, go ahead, I just

680
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 2: pushed you. I just wanted to push you into that.

681
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Speaker 3: So coach, I have a philosophy when you have a

682
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Speaker 3: young quarterback, is really important to put veteran receivers around

683
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Speaker 3: them because the reliability, independability in terms of route depth,

684
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Speaker 3: knowing concepts in those things. I think it's too hard

685
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Speaker 3: sometimes to have a young quarterback and a young receiver

686
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Speaker 3: corps because you got a lot of learning occurring at

687
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Speaker 3: the same time. So in a perfect world, this kind

688
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,479
Speaker 3: of dovetails to what I was going to ask. Anyway,

689
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Speaker 3: team building in the National Football League, DJ and I

690
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 3: talked about it's probably easier to build an offensive centric

691
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Speaker 3: team and have a defense that maybe can play ben

692
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Speaker 3: but don't break, but get stops. As you're thinking about

693
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Speaker 3: building the perfect team in the National Football League, do

694
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Speaker 3: you skew towards maybe building around an offensive philosophy that

695
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Speaker 3: we're going to be great on offense and we can

696
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 3: be fine on defense, but we want to put our

697
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Speaker 3: energy into building the best offense that we can build

698
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Speaker 3: based on the way the game is played with the rules.

699
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Speaker 1: All right, I'm trying not to strive a defense here,

700
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Speaker 1: but the components all have to be there. The order

701
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Speaker 1: with which you do them sometimes is not up to you.

702
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 2: Right.

703
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Speaker 1: Imagine you're walking into a team, where's our strength? Right?

704
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Speaker 1: You may have a strength someplace that you have to

705
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Speaker 1: play into. You have to play into whatever strength you

706
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Speaker 1: have and then build upon that. But I'll say this.

707
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Speaker 1: What you can't do is overreach on a quarterback because

708
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Speaker 1: you want a quarterback. If there's not one there, then

709
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: you have to find the best answer right now for

710
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: whoever you have. Right overreaching on a guy and putting

711
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Speaker 1: a guy out there and say we're going to win,

712
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: You're not fooling anybody. You've got to be good upfront

713
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: on defense. You've got to be good upfront on defense, right,

714
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: you look at Philadelphia, you look at what they're doing

715
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: up there there. We're going to beat you up up front, right,

716
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Speaker 1: And they're basically just adopting George's whole philosophy and defense.

717
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: But to be able to put pressure on other people's

718
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: quarterback is as important as your quarterback playing well. So

719
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Speaker 1: for me, there is a balance there that you have

720
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Speaker 1: to have to have to where you've got to be

721
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Speaker 1: able to make some things happen on the defensive side.

722
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Speaker 1: You've got to get those stops like you're talking about.

723
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Speaker 1: You have to have people that win one on one

724
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Speaker 1: battles on the defensive side.

725
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Speaker 2: That's interesting. We always talk about quarterbacks and pass rushers, like,

726
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Speaker 2: let's just start there. Who are the contending teams. Well,

727
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Speaker 2: let's look at who has a level quarterbacks and a

728
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Speaker 2: level pass rush. Those are the Super Bowl contending teams.

729
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Speaker 2: That's like it to get into the party. That's what

730
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Speaker 2: you got to have to even get to the party.

731
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Speaker 1: And I'll go back to bucks first point, which I

732
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Speaker 1: agree one hundred percent. You have a young quarterback. There

733
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Speaker 1: are a lot of variables with the young quarterback because

734
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Speaker 1: he doesn't have the experience. Now, if you've got young receivers.

735
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Speaker 1: Now you've got even more variables. Right. There are a

736
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Speaker 1: lot of things that go out there and say, Okay,

737
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Speaker 1: this is what we practice and on game day that's

738
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Speaker 1: not what it looks like, right, and where do we start?

739
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: Because they're both wrong, you know. So there's that comfort

740
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Speaker 1: in having that veteran presence, some kind of veteran presence. Now,

741
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Speaker 1: if you've got a special young guy like what they

742
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: had in Cincinnati, you've got a specially young quarterback and

743
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: a specially young receiver. Now granted they had some experience

744
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: together in college, that's a little bit of an exception

745
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: to where Okay, these guys are exceptional, but they're still

746
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: learning as they go. But they've got some really good

747
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: pieces around them as well. So that's a big thing

748
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: for a coach. You want to have as few variables

749
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 1: as possible. So sometimes the more young guys you have, offense, defense, everywhere,

750
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: the more variables and the more holes you're trying to

751
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: plug in the dam as opposed to, Okay, we've got

752
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: a veteran team. There are a lot of guys that

753
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Speaker 1: we know exactly what they're going to do. They know

754
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: what we're going to do. We're on the same page. Now,

755
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: let's plug these young guys in here in these limited

756
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: roles until they earn more. And I'm big on that

757
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: young guys earning the roles that they have, cause I

758
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: think that's also how you get your veterans to respect you. Right,

759
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: We're not going to turn their careers and my career

760
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,439
Speaker 1: over to a young guy who's just figure it out

761
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: now that we're we're going to be a veteran team.

762
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: We're going to cay to our veterans' needs. This is

763
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: their career too, this is what they've established themselves. Let's

764
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: let these young guys earn their way in there, utilize

765
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: their skills and their talents. But let's make sure that

766
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,760
Speaker 1: we control the variables in a football team by by

767
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: keeping those young guys in the roles that they've earned.

768
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one of one things we always talked about too.

769
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,280
Speaker 2: When you have sometimes you have a first year general manager,

770
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 2: first year head coach, first year offensive coordinator, first year quarterback.

771
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 2: It's hard to have all everybody adjusting to this thing

772
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 2: for the first time. That's what you know, we're talking

773
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 2: about wideouts and quarterbacks and young I mean, man, you

774
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 2: got to have some dudes in there that have a

775
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 2: back of their football card track record that you can

776
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 2: rely on.

777
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: There's no question about it that the veteran presence on teams,

778
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: on winning teams is always significant. It always is. They

779
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: know what they're doing. They don't come in every week

780
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: with a whole bunch of questions, Hey what am I doing?

781
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: What are we calling? What are we doing on third down? Okay?

782
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: Got to coach them here for you. You gotta have

783
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 1: the majority of your team has to be there when

784
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: you're a young team. Okay, great, Just know that it's

785
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: going to be a learning experience. You may do well,

786
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: you may not do well, but those group's going to learn.

787
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: The veteran teams, veteran laden teams they win championships.

788
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 3: Coach, all, I want to ask you this because we

789
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 3: saw this happen down in Carolina where it appeared that

790
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 3: owner David Tepper really kind of challenged Frank Wright to

791
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 3: put together coaching staff that didn't feature a.

792
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 2: Lot of his buddies or like minded guys.

793
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 3: So to take a bunch of guys who had expertise

794
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 3: in a bunch of different areas put together and challenge

795
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 3: them to figure it out to grow together. So one

796
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 3: of the challenges of a head coach is obviously hiring coaches.

797
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 3: How do you go about that process to say that

798
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 3: we need enough diversity, and when I mean diverse, I

799
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 3: mean intellectual diversity, scheme diversity, and our staff to push

800
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,919
Speaker 3: us to be maybe something that's out of our comfort zone,

801
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 3: but it will help us put together the best product

802
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 3: on the field.

803
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: To me, that's one of those things I love as

804
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: a coach is your coaching staff. You end to spend

805
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: more time with the coaching staff than your family during

806
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: the season, right, So for me, it's not just about

807
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: the expertise, it's about the personalities. We're going to be

808
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: in the submarine together for six months at a time.

809
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: We have to be able to work together. We may

810
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: not see eye to eye on everything, but we got

811
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: to be able to work together and present something to

812
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: the players that gives them the best chance to be successful.

813
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: So for me, I always like the diversity of age

814
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: and experience. We love to have young, youthful coaches, but

815
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: I always want a couple of sage, older guys that

816
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: have been through some of the wars, been through a

817
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 1: lot of experiences to add that experience to our staff

818
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,760
Speaker 1: as well as our young experienced coaches that are fired

819
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: up and excitable to having that combination I think is

820
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 1: really important. Bearing opinions is important as well, and those

821
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,280
Speaker 1: different experiences are great. But we can't have such different

822
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: experiences and opinions that we can't find common ground. So

823
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 1: that's the challenge. And for me, like in reviews, I

824
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 1: love to interview potential potential coaches with the staff to

825
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: where there's an exchange of an idea is where are you?

826
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: Here's where we are. Oh that's a great idea. Hey

827
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: what about this? So you you find Can we find

828
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: some common ground in those conversations. But I'm not a

829
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: big fan of just finding the hot receiver coach that's

830
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 1: going to be a coordinator. Okay, let's just bring him in.

831
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 1: There has to be some kind of a philosophical agreement.

832
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: We have to be close, even with very experiences, we

833
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: have to be close philosophy wise, because when it's all

834
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: said and done, none of us are playing the game right.

835
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: We want to give the game plan to our players

836
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 1: and have them go out there and execute, and there

837
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,399
Speaker 1: can't be well, this guy says this, and this guy

838
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: says this, which one what do we do. We have

839
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: to be able to get on the same page and

840
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 1: work with the players to help them go out there

841
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: and perform and help help us win a trophy.

842
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 2: Well, you talk about hiring staff. One of the other

843
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 2: things we've had discussion on here before. We didn't We

844
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,760
Speaker 2: don't understand. So maybe you can help us here. Why

845
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 2: in the NFL, where you have no limits, right, you

846
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 2: can put as many guys in your operation as you

847
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 2: want in terms of support staff. There's some teams and

848
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 2: some of them have been very successful in doing this

849
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 2: where offensive line defensive line. So if you have your

850
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 2: offensive line coach, it could be your assistant offensive line coach,

851
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 2: it could be the third guy in the room, but

852
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 2: there's one guy in that room that's coached the defensive line.

853
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 2: So that every single week when you're getting ready and

854
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 2: your game planning and opponents, they can tell you this

855
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 2: is how they're going to attack you. This is what

856
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 2: they do, this is what they see in your group

857
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 2: on the offensive line. This is where they're going to

858
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 2: get you. And this is where this defensive scheme. Having

859
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 2: coached in that scheme and coach that position, this is

860
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 2: where they're vulnerable and bouncing those ideas off and you

861
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 2: flip it over to the other side as well. You know,

862
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 2: you think about being in that defensive line room and

863
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 2: having an offensive line guy and you're like, oh my gosh, well,

864
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 2: first of all, I no offensive line play, and this

865
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 2: left guard is a tomato can. So that's the guy

866
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: that we can go at. And when I watch him,

867
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 2: I see it differently. I see how he struggles when

868
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 2: they're twisting from one versus the other. He doesn't see it.

869
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 2: It just seems like, gosh, that's such a no brainer.

870
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 2: And I know some very successful teams that have done this,

871
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 2: and I know you can go too far when you

872
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 2: make Matt Patricia the offensive coordinator, like that's that's a

873
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,439
Speaker 2: bridge too far. But I just don't understand when when

874
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 2: the resources there's no limits, why would you not do

875
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 2: that there?

876
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: So I mean, obviously the Patriots have have have done

877
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: extremely well on this over the years. And my first

878
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: year coaching that I played wide receiver at Stanford for

879
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: four years. My first year in coaching was coaching outside

880
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: linebackers in strong safeties and it was invaluable right, not

881
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: just for me to learn, but also for me to communicate. Okay, well, hey,

882
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: here's what this scheme mean. This is what they're trying

883
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: to do to you when they ruin this curl flat.

884
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: Here's what the quarterbacks looking at, et cetera. So I'm

885
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: with you all the way there. I think as long

886
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: as you have someone on the staff with enough experience

887
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: or the opposite side experience, it doesn't need to be

888
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: in every single room. But I think a lot of

889
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: times you can get just get that extra voice to say, hey,

890
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: you know what, I know the scheme that they're running.

891
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: Here's what gives that scheme trouble, you know. But you

892
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: can also have it from a guy like Vick Fanger

893
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: when he came to us at Stanford. Vic such great experience.

894
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 1: He could do it on both sides of the ball.

895
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: He would come back and say, hey, you know what,

896
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: this hurts this defensive scheme. This is why we stopped

897
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: running it. So if you guys use this, they're going

898
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: to have a tough time. And to do it on

899
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: the flip side to say, Okay, hey, I know this

900
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: is what we've been doing, but I've coached against this

901
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: offensive scheme. What we've been doing is not going to work,

902
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: so we're gonna have to switch something up to account

903
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: for what they do. So having enough of those experienced voices,

904
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: they don't have to be completely on the opposite side,

905
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 1: but as long as you have those voices on your

906
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: staff to be able to give you those nuggets, because

907
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: really we're not talking about overall scheme. We're talking about

908
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,879
Speaker 1: those minor things that help you convert one more third down,

909
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: or help you get one more pressure, help you get

910
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: one more turnover. That's what you're looking for, Just somebody

911
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: on the own your staff to say, oh, I've seen

912
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,439
Speaker 1: this before and here's what we should do to count

913
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: you know.

914
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 3: David, since we're talking about coach and this has been

915
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 3: a big fascination on the media side where people are

916
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 3: looking at the hot offensive coordinator and saying he should

917
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 3: be the next head coach.

918
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 2: Coming from your background where you have been a.

919
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 3: Head coach and you've called plays, how challenging is it

920
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 3: for you to be the head coach of the team

921
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 3: while also being the head of the offense. And if

922
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 3: you could give any advice to the newbies who are

923
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 3: doing it this year for the first time, what would

924
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 3: you tell them?

925
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: I say this, my little phrase, delegation is sanity, right?

926
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: What can you delegate, right. You try to do it

927
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: all by yourself is so hard. There's so many different

928
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,439
Speaker 1: things that you have to account for. I get Randy Hart,

929
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,240
Speaker 1: whole defensive line coach who's retired now a lot of credit.

930
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 1: Randy came to me one time early in my first

931
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: year and he said, either way, as a head coach,

932
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 1: make sure you come by the defensive meetings. Make sure

933
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: you come by individual on the defensive side. Make sure

934
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: every defensive player sees you outside of Israel sees you

935
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: in his room. Right. So you're not the offensive head coach,

936
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: you're the whole hit. You're the head coach. And that

937
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 1: was such great advice, you know, so at that that

938
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: day and I changed completely. Every day during individual I

939
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: would go by and I would stand by every group

940
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 1: and I watch them and I contribute much like you

941
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 1: know we're just talking before Daniel, I'd say, hey, you

942
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: know on a defense reel, like hey, don't forget the

943
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: quarterbacks looking at how you how your body is right right?

944
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 1: So you need to make sure you're getting it back

945
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: out of there right, and you know, make sure that

946
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: you you're you're you know, whatever it is, whatever, whatever

947
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 1: tips I can give them so they can see me

948
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: as the as the head coach, because when things get difficult,

949
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: they want to know that you're on your they're on

950
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,919
Speaker 1: your you're on their side. Right, you're the whole head coach.

951
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: You're not just the offensive head coach so or the

952
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: defensive head coach. Play caller. So if you are the

953
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: play caller, you got to have someone that you depend on,

954
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: someone that you can can band with, someone who can

955
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: tell you, hey, coach, be careful of that, don't do that,

956
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: or be able to say, hey, you know what, I

957
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: need to step out because I got to put out

958
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: a fire someplace, especially on the college side, I got

959
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: to put out a fire. Hey you take this for me.

960
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: So for me, I had too. When I first took

961
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 1: over Pep Hamilton, who was outstanding, I could leave the

962
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: room and leave Andrew Luck to his capable hands, right,

963
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 1: because you wouldn't just turn Andrew over to anybody, although

964
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: Andrew could probably handle anything, but turn Andrew over to

965
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: somebody I trust, and I said Mike Boomgren, who was

966
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 1: Phenomenal's head coach down at Rice right now, who's an

967
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 1: unbelievable offensive line coach, offensive mind period. I can leave

968
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: the room and say that's going to be taken care of,

969
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: so I can go do something else. Or I don't

970
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: have to stand there and watch the wide receiver drills, right,

971
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 1: because that's my passion as an old receiver. I don't

972
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: have to watch that because I trust my receiver coach.

973
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: I have to have somebody that's there that I can

974
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: depend on, and I can allocate that too, so that

975
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: I can go stand by the DB's, I can go

976
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: watch the defensive line. I can interact with those guy

977
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: so I can be seen every single day as the

978
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,399
Speaker 1: head coach of the entire football team coach.

979
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 2: It's been so much fun.

980
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: Man.

981
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 2: The time just flies by. We sit here and you

982
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 2: look up, You're like, oh my gosh. Yeah, I feel

983
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 2: like we're just getting started here. We can go in

984
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 2: so many different directions. We're not to keep you much longer.

985
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 2: One of the things I definitely wanted to ask you about.

986
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: Though.

987
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 2: We've put one draft in the rearview mirror, so now

988
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 2: we look out the windshield to the next one, and

989
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 2: I know it's an early look, but you got a

990
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 2: chance to see Caleb Williams up close there at USC

991
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 2: The numbers speak for themselves. The skill set seems to

992
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 2: be pretty obvious. But what was a takeaway? Being on

993
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 2: the field. We always say in scouting, there's nothing like

994
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 2: seeing a quarterback live. That's a different experience than just

995
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 2: watching the tape. What did you take away from seeing him?

996
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 1: There's only one ten out of ten that I've seen,

997
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: and that's Andrew. Look, when Trevor Lawrence came out, I

998
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: thought he was the best since Andrew. Caleb Williams is

999
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 1: the best since Andrew. He's not a ten, he's a nine.

1000
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: And the only thing I would say about about Caleb

1001
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: is there are times or maybe takes maybe too many chances,

1002
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: because I'd say this are the quarterbacks, but all offensive

1003
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: players like that football has everybody's face on it, the

1004
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: entire organization, right that, that's that's our baby. You got

1005
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,720
Speaker 1: to take care of that thing. So I think sometimes

1006
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: he takes maybe too many chances. But his improvisational skills

1007
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:30,959
Speaker 1: are to the level of Patrick Mahomes. You get mesmerized

1008
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: watching this guy play. And I went back and watched

1009
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 1: all of the Oklahoma stuff just because right he was

1010
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 1: new and hadn't seen him with the USC, so WAT

1011
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: saw all that, and then after we played him, I

1012
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: still went back and watched him because I just I

1013
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:46,760
Speaker 1: want to keep seeing this young man grow and special.

1014
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: There there's, like I said to me, that's Andrew one

1015
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: in this generation and Kaylann Williams number two, and I

1016
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know if there's a close number three.

1017
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: This guy's this guy's different is accuracy, his athletic ability,

1018
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 1: his strength. Right, So you're gonna take a guy who's

1019
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: got andrew lux accuracy, but he's got the build of

1020
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 1: the bohemoth of a quarterback in Philadelphia, and right, he's

1021
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: not going down easy. Right, and we've played against Roethlisberg

1022
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: all those years. Just getting a guy clean to the

1023
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 1: quarterback means nothing. Right, we got a guy clean the runback. Yeah,

1024
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: and how many how many touchdowns the West been throws?

1025
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: He's holding off our outside line back, looking down the

1026
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: field and making the throw. This guy's either going to

1027
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 1: do that or he's gonna make the guy miss and

1028
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: he might run for forty yards. But you had a

1029
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: clean guy that should have been a sack. So he

1030
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 1: can mitigate the issues with the entire offense. If you

1031
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: don't block well enough, he'll make guys misses miss. But

1032
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: if you give him a clean pocket. He can deal

1033
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: from the pocket, but if you also let him run.

1034
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 1: It's not just about his speed, like here with a

1035
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. This guy's got natural making missibility. And what

1036
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 1: I most about him that the great ones all have,

1037
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 1: he plays the game with a sense of calm mm hmm,

1038
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: a sense of calm. He knows he's better than you. Right,

1039
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,959
Speaker 1: he's gonna run just fast enough that you can't catch

1040
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 1: him down the field to see if anybody's open. Right, Oh,

1041
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: you know that I need to pause for a second.

1042
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna let you get a little bit closer

1043
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: to me, and I'll throw it right before you get here. Right,

1044
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 1: It's just one of It's just it happens every single game.

1045
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 1: So I don't have enough praise that I can give

1046
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,879
Speaker 1: this young man. I'm not a big fan of the fingernails.

1047
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 1: I don't care if anybody paints their fingernails. It's had

1048
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: nothing to do with that. You know. Sometimes I have

1049
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: some some not more than PG thirteen messages on those fingernails, which.

1050
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 2: Was the famous one that that he got a lot

1051
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 2: of blowback for.

1052
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, and even on ours for for our game. You know,

1053
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: there there's there's a there's some you know, colorful language there,

1054
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: and I would just say, like, you're you are the

1055
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: quarter of this next generation. You are the guy. Be

1056
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:07,280
Speaker 1: that guy, Be that guy that my my my thirteen

1057
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 1: year old is going to look up to and say, man,

1058
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: I want to be like that guy. You know. And

1059
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: and but as far as like the on the field stuff,

1060
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: I think he's truly truly special. Man. I love that,

1061
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: like I love to hear it.

1062
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 2: That's like lofty.

1063
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 3: Praise all the quarterbacks you've been around for to talk

1064
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 3: like him in glowing light. I can't wait to really

1065
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 3: really study him, because there's one thing to do TV

1066
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 3: scuy and there's another thing to study somebody down tape.

1067
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: I can't wait to put him on the scope.

1068
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 2: And one of the things coach you talked about, like

1069
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 2: he takes chances, but he didn't turn the ball over.

1070
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 2: I think he had like I think he had what

1071
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 2: one or two interceptions during the regular season something like that.

1072
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 2: And it's not like he's not taking chances, like he

1073
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 2: puts the ball in tiny tiny windows.

1074
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 1: We when Andie used to come back and work out

1075
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: at Stanford. There's one time I went out there and

1076
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,439
Speaker 1: we worked together. And he was doing this too, where

1077
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: he's rolling out to the left and what do you

1078
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: even call disassociation where he would disassociate the top top

1079
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 1: of half of his body from the bottom half and

1080
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: make these these throws with his hips twisting and put

1081
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,879
Speaker 1: the ball on the money every single time. And I'm like, okay, yeah,

1082
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: that takes some work, but that takes just skill. You

1083
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: got to have that, right, You can get better at it.

1084
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: But either you have or you don't. But you put

1085
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: Caleb on there, and we would say that the quarterbacks,

1086
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 1: there's got to be you got to run for minimum

1087
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 1: three first downs a game. You got to use your legs,

1088
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: et cetera. It's like you know, vitamins, right, we just

1089
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: need them every every day. Every day. There's five the

1090
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 1: game with five plays a game that other guys in

1091
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: college football can't make. There's five that every game that

1092
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: you just say, oh my gosh. Right, and so much

1093
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: of college football is you know, and you have to

1094
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: throw out the receiver screens. You have to throw out

1095
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 1: the chieys like anybody can throw those. We got to

1096
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 1: find the third and five where you're throwing the ball

1097
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 1: between windows. We want to see those plays. The red

1098
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: zone plays. But for this guy, it's five times a game.

1099
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 1: If you cut those things out, at the end of

1100
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: the year, you're going to have fifty plays that you

1101
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,720
Speaker 1: just say, oh my gosh, this guy is special.

1102
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 2: I said that was the last one, but you've got

1103
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 2: me thinking for one one more here, And I'm curious

1104
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 2: on this one. You said your son is going to

1105
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 2: go play for Chip. I know you and Chip have

1106
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 2: a relationship. I'm excited to see your son with a

1107
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 2: creative offensive mind like Chip Kelly and what he's going

1108
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 2: to be able to do with him is he's excellent.

1109
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 2: When you look at we talked about Caleb Williams. I

1110
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 2: know he won't be there for when USC and UCLA

1111
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 2: joined the Big Ten, but I think there's there's the

1112
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 2: expectation that, oh, you know you U C, l A,

1113
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,399
Speaker 2: U s C. They're in for it when they jump

1114
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 2: in there and they have to play Ohio State, in

1115
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,760
Speaker 2: Michigan and Wisconsin, all these teams on a yearly basis.

1116
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 2: It's a different brand of football. But in your opinion,

1117
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 2: can those two programs be successful joining that conference?

1118
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,959
Speaker 1: I think they can be. I do. I think there's

1119
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: a lot of things that have to be worked out.

1120
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: The travel is going to be brutal. It's just it's

1121
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: it's brutal. It's brutal to say you're going to have, However,

1122
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: many Common Friends games and half of those conference games

1123
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: are going to be on the road, and that's minimum

1124
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 1: two time zones away. Those guys coming back and having

1125
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: a short week and a Friday night game. I mean,

1126
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: it's hard to get those guys likes back. And I

1127
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 1: know the CHIP, especially it's sports science down there is outstanding. Right,

1128
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 1: They're going to find a way, but that's tough for

1129
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 1: people that are still students, right, these are still students

1130
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Now, Hey, we got two West Coast games.

1131
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 1: Let's stay back to back, you know, we got we

1132
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: got San Diego and we got San Francisco. Hey, or

1133
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, La and San Francisco. Dan, you're with me.

1134
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 1: We'll just stay on the West coast, or we'll just

1135
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 1: stay on the East coast. And just can't do that

1136
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: with college kids. Now, you have to be able to

1137
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:38,760
Speaker 1: bring them back. They have to be back in their dorms,

1138
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 1: they have to be all those things. So those are

1139
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: the logistics, but I think over time they're going to compete.

1140
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: The big question for me is is ten years down

1141
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: the road? Right? Because this was a this is a

1142
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: six year deal, they signed eight year deal, whatever it.

1143
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 2: Was it was.

1144
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: These aren't long term deals. So are we realigning again

1145
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: at the end of this big ten deal, you know,

1146
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 1: the Pack twelve deal, when they make it, is it

1147
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: going to be a short term deal? Also? So are

1148
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: we going through this again eight to ten years later

1149
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: where things are going to be switching again? And do

1150
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 1: we go back to two big conferences? Do we go

1151
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: back to a bunch of small conference? Doogle we go

1152
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,919
Speaker 1: back to hey, let's put it all under one umbrella

1153
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 1: like they talked about years ago and just say hey,

1154
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: let's just divide it like the NBA and say, okay,

1155
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: we're all in one conference. We're just a bunch of

1156
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: different places that make it feeds now better as a

1157
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 1: as a tournament. So it's going to be fascinating. Hopefully

1158
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: I'll be able to watch from afar.

1159
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 2: From that safe distance, a very safe distance.

1160
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: Watch all of these things, right, because in the ACCS

1161
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 1: we all talk about that. In the Big twelve spanning

1162
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: are they contracting what's going on the next decade is

1163
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: going to be fascinating because I do think eventually it's

1164
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:50,839
Speaker 1: going to settle because with these these these rights are

1165
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,720
Speaker 1: they're so big, this amount of money, it's so massive.

1166
00:53:54,840 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: But streaming is taking over the world. So now ten

1167
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,720
Speaker 1: years from now, are we paying these are these companies

1168
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 1: paying these big, big, big salaries and these big things

1169
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,280
Speaker 1: or now is it all even out? Is it almost

1170
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: like a tech bubble to say, we spent a whole

1171
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: bunch of a while ago. Now we don't have to

1172
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: spend as much anymore. So it's going to be fascinating

1173
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 1: to watch.

1174
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 2: Well, this has been awesome, man, Dave. We appreciate your time.

1175
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 2: It's great to catch up. Excited to see what the

1176
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 2: future holds. But in the meantime, I'm excited we get

1177
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:24,479
Speaker 2: to have you back on here a few more times

1178
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 2: during the fall that we normally get to. Man, So

1179
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 2: we appreciate you.

1180
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: To looking forward to love you guys. Man, take care.

1181
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 2: Oh you're the best man, all the best of the family. Man.

1182
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:33,439
Speaker 2: Congrats to your son.

1183
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: Appreciate it, Thank you, Buck.

1184
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 2: Biggest takeaways there I thought we want in a lot

1185
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 2: of different areas. I mean, that's the cool thing when

1186
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 2: you have somebody that is like us in terms of

1187
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 2: that lives in the college space and the NFL space.

1188
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 2: It just opens up anywhere you want to go conversation wise.

1189
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 3: Now, I think the coolest thing is just to hear

1190
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 3: him take the wealth of experience that he's had collegiately

1191
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 3: the NFL, to put that all together and give some

1192
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 3: of these answers. But I'll mean, the stuff that gets

1193
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,320
Speaker 3: me excited is the stuff that he said about Caleb Williams,

1194
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 3: the quarterback from USC and how he just talked about

1195
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 3: he talked about Andrew Luck and then Caleb Williams, and

1196
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,359
Speaker 3: then for him to make the descriptive of the guy

1197
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 3: can do some of that Pat Mahomes like stuff. We've

1198
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 3: heard people try and put the Pat Mahomes comparison or

1199
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 3: tag on others. But when you watch Kayler Williams and

1200
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:22,879
Speaker 3: the special stuff that he's able to do, that might

1201
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 3: be the closest comparison that you're going to have in

1202
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 3: terms of someone who has the ability to improvise but

1203
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 3: plays with a calm, cool demeanor where the game doesn't

1204
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:32,839
Speaker 3: appear to be too fast for him.

1205
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 2: He certainly is a special player. Yeah, I mean, shoot,

1206
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 2: he talked about where you are in Jacksonville right now

1207
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 2: in Trevor Lawrence. And you know, we gushed over Trevor

1208
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 2: Lawrence coming into the draft process, and I think we

1209
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,399
Speaker 2: both agreed that he was the best one since Luck,

1210
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 2: and neither one of us had a chance to really

1211
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 2: do the deep dive on Caleb Williams. That time will come,

1212
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 2: but coach has already done it, played against him, saw

1213
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 2: him on the field and watched all their games and

1214
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 2: crossover tape there while he was at Stanford, and said

1215
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 2: he would put him too, put him behind Andrew Luck.

1216
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 2: And the more significant part of it was he said

1217
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 2: it wasn't like close, huge, huge gap. That's pretty close.

1218
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,959
Speaker 2: That's high high praise coming from a guy like Coach Shaw.

1219
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, high praise. And so that part is fascinating. But

1220
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,280
Speaker 3: then the other thing, like you have to the running

1221
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 3: back conversation or the difference maker as he dubbed the

1222
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 3: player that we talked about. So it was just just

1223
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 3: a fascinating conversation. He has so much knowledge and expertise.

1224
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 3: I can't wait to bring him on later in the

1225
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 3: year to talk more. I mean, you know, we love

1226
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 3: studying the trends, how the game is advancing, the innovations

1227
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 3: that teams are bringing into it. I can't wait to

1228
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 3: pick his brain as he has an opportunity to sit

1229
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 3: and watch and really study without the added responsibility of

1230
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 3: being a coach himself.

1231
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 2: No doubt. Well that was a fun one. Again, be

1232
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 2: on the lookout more fun conversations and again get a

1233
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 2: chance to be a little bit creative as we get

1234
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 2: towards the off season. So we're looking forward to these

1235
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 2: conversations and these visits. I hope you guys have enjoyed

1236
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 2: hanging with us. We'll act later this week for one

1237
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 2: more episode of Move the Sticks.

1238
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: We'll see that mhm.