Speaker 1: Welcome to Before Breakfast, a production of iHeartRadio. Good Morning,
Speaker 1: This is Laura. Welcome to the Before Breakfast podcast. Today's
Speaker 1: episode is going to be a longer one part of
Speaker 1: the series where I interview fascinating people about how they
Speaker 1: take their days from great to awesome and any advice.
Speaker 2: They have for the rest of us.
Speaker 1: So today I am delighted to welcome Jorge Cham to
Speaker 1: the show. Jorge is the host of the podcast Science Stuff,
Speaker 1: among many other things. So Orge, welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: Hi, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, why don't you tell our listeners a little
Speaker 1: bit about yourself?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so again, my name is Hoorge Cham and what
Speaker 3: you might call a recovering academic. So I'm someone who
Speaker 3: used to be on track to be a professor or
Speaker 3: a researcher at a university. Somewhere during research on robotics.
Speaker 3: So I with PhD in robotics, but somewhere along the
Speaker 3: line I got a little bit sidetracked by a cartooning career.
Speaker 3: Now you might be wondering what is having a PhD
Speaker 3: in robotics and being a cartoonons have in common? And
Speaker 3: I can tell you my parents are also very concerned
Speaker 3: about that I can imagine.
Speaker 1: It's quite the pivot. Maybe you can talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about what inspired that pivot. I mean, I find
Speaker 1: cartoons cool, so I understand.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, it's been super interesting. So while I
Speaker 3: was getting my degree in robotics, I just happened to
Speaker 3: have this hobby of drawing comics, and so I do
Speaker 3: this comic strip for the Stanford Daily newspaper. They're like
Speaker 3: the student newspaper, and it's called pal Tier and Deeper
Speaker 3: or PhD Comics, and the best way to describe it,
Speaker 3: it's kind of like Dilbert, but sat in a university's
Speaker 3: spoken fun at professors, students, the administration, all that. And
Speaker 3: then at some point I put it online and it
Speaker 3: sort of went viral over the years to the point
Speaker 3: where I realized that these comics were much more popular
Speaker 3: than the research I was doing. So I decided to
Speaker 3: kind of give it a go, and so I opted
Speaker 3: for a kind of a creative career in stead of
Speaker 3: an academic career, and it's been a wild ride. I
Speaker 3: did those comics for about fifteen years, got to travel
Speaker 3: the world, produced a couple of movies based on it,
Speaker 3: and then that eventually led to books and a television
Speaker 3: show for kids on PBS Kids, and now this amazing
Speaker 3: and super fun podcast called Science Stuff for iHeart.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you've been doing the podcasting for a couple
Speaker 1: of years now in different iterations, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was one of the co hosts and co
Speaker 3: creators of a podcast called Daniel and Jorge Explain the Universe,
Speaker 3: a very humbly called a titled podcast, but we're mostly
Speaker 3: talked about physics and kind of the exploring the universe
Speaker 3: and how things work. But after about five to six
Speaker 3: years that podcasts ended, and now I'm doing this for
Speaker 3: iHeart Science Stuff.
Speaker 2: Well, what's the goal that you have with Science Stuff?
Speaker 3: Yeah, the goal is to make science fun and accessible
Speaker 3: for an everyday person. So every episode we tackle a
Speaker 3: really fun and fascinating question like dour pets lie to us,
Speaker 3: what is inside of a black hole? Or could you
Speaker 3: survive getting cryogenically frozen? Or something that's on the news, Lady,
Speaker 3: what is a quantum computer? So we do you know,
Speaker 3: quick thirty to forty minute breakdowns to what are the
Speaker 3: main things, what are the main things to understand? We
Speaker 3: talk to experts, We keep it sort of light and
Speaker 3: fun and accessible to everyone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds great.
Speaker 1: Well, and I want to talk about an episode that
Speaker 1: you did not mention in your list there, but I'm
Speaker 1: sure is one that people will reference frequently, including my
Speaker 1: own children, which is the idea of whether you need
Speaker 1: to wait thirty minutes after eating.
Speaker 2: In order to go back in the pool or ocean.
Speaker 1: So as we are coming up to swimming season, maybe
Speaker 1: you can, maybe you can address that topic for us.
Speaker 1: Is it yeah, do we need to wait thirty minutes?
Speaker 3: Well, you can't have to listen to the episode, but
Speaker 3: I'll break down here.
Speaker 2: Maybe just a hint for people listening to this.
Speaker 3: No, I'm happy to talk about it. So it's one
Speaker 3: of our episodes that are out right now. It's people
Speaker 3: can listen to them right now. And the question is
Speaker 3: do you have really have to wait thirty minutes after
Speaker 3: eating before you can go swimming? And this is really
Speaker 3: kind of a personal question for me in the episode
Speaker 3: because I grew up in Panama swimming a lot in
Speaker 3: pools at the beach and my aunt, my mom's sister,
Speaker 3: was a pediatrician. She was a doctor, and she would
Speaker 3: always be the one saying, no, you get after eating,
Speaker 3: you gotta stop wait and just sit there and be
Speaker 3: totally bored for thirty minutes before you can go back
Speaker 3: to swimming. And so I really wanted to know was
Speaker 3: my aunt lying to me the whole time? And so
Speaker 3: I go on this quest where I talk to a
Speaker 3: doctor who used to be a competitivist competitive swimmer, and
Speaker 3: I talked to a physiologist who specializes in exercise and
Speaker 3: how it relates to heorty digestive system. And what's kind
Speaker 3: of interesting is you find out that a couple of
Speaker 3: the myth myth myths around this advice kind of turn
Speaker 3: out to be not true. So a lot of people
Speaker 3: think that if you eat too soon before you go eating,
Speaker 3: you might get cramps. Well, actually turns out that scientists
Speaker 3: don't really know what causes cramps. First of all, that's
Speaker 3: a little bit mind blowing, but also it turns out
Speaker 3: that they think that actually what causes cramps is not eating.
Speaker 3: So if you don't have enough sugar or electrolytes in
Speaker 3: your body, you might actually be the thing that causes cramps.
Speaker 3: And the other thing that a lot of people say
Speaker 3: is that why you shouldn't swim is that they think
Speaker 3: that maybe your stomach sucks all the blood in your
Speaker 3: body when it's trying to digest, and that's also turns
Speaker 3: out to be not quite true. The physiologists said that actually,
Speaker 3: your muscles are basically like huge hogs in your body.
Speaker 3: If they need blood, they're going to take it from
Speaker 3: anywhere they can, anywhere in your body. And so you
Speaker 3: really don't have to need to worry because also your
Speaker 3: heart is pumping faster, so you know your stomach is
Speaker 3: getting enough blood. The problem is, though, that your body
Speaker 3: doesn't kind of like having food in its stomach, you know,
Speaker 3: when it's kind of how your body tells you that
Speaker 3: you've eaten enough, and so it gives you this feeling
Speaker 3: being full, and you feel a little bit uncomfortable. And
Speaker 3: so actually doing high intensity activity like swimming or or
Speaker 3: doing a lot of laps will actually cost it digestion
Speaker 3: to slow down, and so that's why you might feel
Speaker 3: uncomfortable if you swim too soon after eating.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, but it's not the cramps. You're not gonna
Speaker 1: cramp up and immediately drowned.
Speaker 3: You're Yeah, you heard.
Speaker 2: Different versions of it.
Speaker 1: I mean, there was your aunt had thirty minutes, but
Speaker 1: I've I've heard people as much as an hour with
Speaker 1: that saying that would be even worse, so you could. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, but it's funny because you know, for other sports,
Speaker 1: like we're sitting there giving our little soccer players like
Speaker 1: orange slices and whatever, like we're giving them calories.
Speaker 2: While they're exercising.
Speaker 1: But but I mean, obviously you wouldn't want to eat
Speaker 1: a huge meal and then immediately try to like run
Speaker 1: a raise.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think orange bananas some juice is probably great
Speaker 3: for the sugar and the electrolytes. But you know, two
Speaker 3: cheeseburgers before going on laps or swimming out until lake
Speaker 3: is you don't have to wait the thirty minutes, but
Speaker 3: you probably should write or.
Speaker 1: Maybe just not eat the two cheeseburgers another idea. Well,
Speaker 1: we're going to take a quick ad break and then
Speaker 1: I'll be back with more from Hoorge Cham. Well, I
Speaker 1: am back with Hororge cham who is the host of
Speaker 1: the new podcast Science Stuff. He's been telling us that
Speaker 1: maybe we don't need to wait thirty minutes before going
Speaker 1: in the water after swimming. But another thing, I'm sure
Speaker 1: many people are wondering, can you survive being cryogenically frozen.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I was planning on doing it,
Speaker 1: but maybe some of my listeners.
Speaker 3: Were, yeah, you might want to put those plans on ice,
Speaker 3: okay literally as it were, yes, yeah, yeah. So there
Speaker 3: is another episode that is currently out and people can
Speaker 3: listen to it, but it's about asking the question, if
Speaker 3: you know, if you have a certain illness that they
Speaker 3: don't have a cure for right now, or if you
Speaker 3: want to go to a distant star. You know, the
Speaker 3: closest stars about forty trillion miles away, so it's going
Speaker 3: to take a while to get there. So if we
Speaker 3: over ever really want to explore the cosmos, we kind
Speaker 3: of have to figure out how to pause life, you know.
Speaker 3: Or you just want to kind of see what the
Speaker 3: future is like. You might want to get frozen and
Speaker 3: then you wake up when there's flying cars and jet
Speaker 3: pegs and all that. So there's definitely a lot of
Speaker 3: reasons to do it. And so in the episode, we
Speaker 3: dive deep with biologist who studies frogs, these wood frogs
Speaker 3: that apparently have adapted to survived these long winters out
Speaker 3: there in the cold Arctic and the weather, and they're
Speaker 3: able to survive having their whole body frozen basically because
Speaker 3: they develop an adaptation to produce anti freeze in their body. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they as they're freezing, their livers suddenly get super hyperactive
Speaker 3: and they produce a lot of sugar and then that
Speaker 3: sugar kind of acts and x as an anti freeze
Speaker 3: to let them survive being frozen. But that wouldn't really
Speaker 3: work for humans because basically we would die from the
Speaker 3: diabetic shock.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't have that adaptation yet. We're not evolved.
Speaker 1: To freeze like frogs in the Arctic winter.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think there's probably some interesting things with like freezing
Speaker 1: individual organs, right, Like I think you guys explored this, Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, right now, our transplant system is
Speaker 1: stuck by the fact that you have to get these
Speaker 1: organs where they're going very quickly, and if you had
Speaker 1: a match from say somebody in you know, Tokyo, when
Speaker 1: you're in New York, like you're not getting that organ
Speaker 1: for the most part.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, that's something we also take a deep dive in.
Speaker 3: We actually talked to the CEO of one of these
Speaker 3: companies that will freeze you, Like they'll freeze your organs,
Speaker 3: but they also freeze your brain if you wanted to,
Speaker 3: or they'll freeze your whole body if you think you're
Speaker 3: not going to make it. So it's super fascinating. And
Speaker 3: what they're able to do now is basically use the
Speaker 3: same technique sas as a frog sort of. They use
Speaker 3: a kind of anti freeze called glycole ethylene glycole or
Speaker 3: some glycerine, some sort of sugar alcohol and replace all
Speaker 3: the water in the cells of these organs, and then
Speaker 3: you can freeze them because that that doesn't turn to ice,
Speaker 3: it sort of turns into more of like a glass.
Speaker 3: And so you're you're able to do things for simple
Speaker 3: things like like sperm or embryos if you if you're
Speaker 3: going through IVF or in viature fertilization uh those that works.
Speaker 3: You can replace the water dipping in liquid nitigen and
Speaker 3: then have it survived. It gets a lot trickier when
Speaker 3: you get to more complicated organs, so like your liver,
Speaker 3: even your liver or your muscles or and especially your brain.
Speaker 3: It's just so complicated and so fragile that they haven't
Speaker 3: quite figured out how to get those two sorts. So
Speaker 3: you can freeze them, but you might not survive the.
Speaker 2: Might survive the process.
Speaker 1: You just have a frozen thing and you know it
Speaker 1: just can't unfreeze very well. Yeah, like like some of
Speaker 1: the things I put in my freezer when they when
Speaker 1: they come out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not sure that. Yeah, freezer burn, freaser burn
Speaker 3: is a real thing, and you don't want them in
Speaker 3: your brain.
Speaker 2: Don't want that for sure.
Speaker 1: Well, on this podcast we talk a lot about time management, productivity.
Speaker 1: You've done a lot of things in your life for hey,
Speaker 1: I understand that your productivity secret, as it were, is
Speaker 1: productive procrastination. Maybe you can enlighten us on what that is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I like to think of myself as a
Speaker 3: professional procrastinator. I sort of cent her my whole life
Speaker 3: and time management around this idea. And before I get
Speaker 3: into trouble with any of your listeners and who procrastinate
Speaker 3: and then they get into trouble, there's sort of two
Speaker 3: things you have to really attach to this idea to
Speaker 3: make it work. So these are very im poorinent things.
Speaker 3: So the first one is my belief that procrastination is
Speaker 3: not the same thing as laziness. So we often associate
Speaker 3: it to but actually if you separate the two, you
Speaker 3: will have a better go at it. So laziness that's
Speaker 3: when you don't want to do anything procrastination just means
Speaker 3: you don't want to do it now. So there are
Speaker 3: two different things. And the idea is that if you
Speaker 3: put off doing something and then you don't get it done,
Speaker 3: then that's laziness. But if you just put something off
Speaker 3: doing something, if you just put off doing something and
Speaker 3: then you get it done, then that's just procrastination. So
Speaker 3: it's kind of a way to hold yourself accountable. If
Speaker 3: you don't get it done, you can procrastinate, but if
Speaker 3: you don't get it done, then then you're just kind
Speaker 3: of being lazy, Okay. And then the second thing that's
Speaker 3: important is to think about this idea that I think
Speaker 3: we do our best work when we're doing what we
Speaker 3: want to be doing instead of when we're doing what
Speaker 3: we think we should be doing. Okay, So if you
Speaker 3: look at the definition of procrastination, it means to do
Speaker 3: things that you want to do instead of doing the
Speaker 3: things that you feel you should be doing. So I
Speaker 3: sort of organize my life by I wake up every morning,
Speaker 3: I make a list of the things that I need
Speaker 3: to do, and I look at sort of the how
Speaker 3: urgent some of them are, Whether this one's a pretty
Speaker 3: late look of this one's do today, tomorrow, the next week.
Speaker 3: And then instead of going down the list by what
Speaker 3: is more urgent, I go down the list by what
Speaker 3: I want to do. Like, I look at this list
Speaker 3: and I think, well, I know I need to really
Speaker 3: do this, and I know this is really important, but
Speaker 3: right now, what I really feel like doing is doing this,
Speaker 3: And so that's I'm sort of procrastinating by definition, but
Speaker 3: I'm so motivated and I'm much more excited and enthusiastic
Speaker 3: about doing it that I think in the end it
Speaker 3: comes out to be better work.
Speaker 1: But do you ever get to the things that you
Speaker 1: were supposed to do or do we just forget those?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Why where does that happen in the course of tackling
Speaker 1: this to do list?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, Well I can get a little bit tricky.
Speaker 3: But basically, if you sort of do all the things
Speaker 3: you want to do, once you get those done, then
Speaker 3: you just left with the things that are urgent and
Speaker 3: that you didn't want to do in the morning. But
Speaker 3: at that point, you know, you know they're important for you,
Speaker 3: so you're just going to get them done at the
Speaker 3: end of the day.
Speaker 1: So I have found, you know, and maybe this is
Speaker 1: a version of this. I sometimes get myself to do
Speaker 1: all sorts of things that I wasn't sure I wanted
Speaker 1: to do by putting something else on my list that.
Speaker 2: I truly do not want to do.
Speaker 1: So by once that thing is on the list and
Speaker 1: I really don't want to do that, I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: you know this other like I don't want to do
Speaker 1: my taxes. But compared to that, like calling this person
Speaker 1: and having this unpleasant conversation, Okay, Like that's not so bad.
Speaker 1: I'm just having a conversation or editing this document. That's
Speaker 1: a mess, but you know it's it's just editing. It's
Speaker 1: all my taxes, right, Like is that something you ever.
Speaker 2: Find yourself doing?
Speaker 3: Sort of? Sometimes? You know, I find that the brain
Speaker 3: is so clever and adaptable that any kind of trick,
Speaker 3: any kind of scheme you try to implement to fool
Speaker 3: your own brain or to get you to do things
Speaker 3: you don't really want to do, ultimately your brain is
Speaker 3: going to adapt to them, or it's going to find excuses,
Speaker 3: or it's going to basically realize I don't really have
Speaker 3: to do this. And so for me, at least, what's
Speaker 3: worked is just to really think about I want to
Speaker 3: motivated to do you know, what is it that I
Speaker 3: really want to do, and focus on that. And you know,
Speaker 3: once you get all the fun stuff done, at the
Speaker 3: end of the day, you're like, oh, I have some time.
Speaker 3: I really need to make that. Then disappointment. I really
Speaker 3: want to have nice teeth. I don't want to have cavities.
Speaker 3: All right, I'll make that call. And so that's kind
Speaker 3: of how I organize my life.
Speaker 2: Excellent.
Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned that you sit down in the morning
Speaker 1: and do this. I'm wondering if you have any other
Speaker 1: sort of routines you do during the day that have
Speaker 1: been helpful in your life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, great question. I do that. I have a lot
Speaker 3: of sticky notes around me.
Speaker 2: What do the sticky notes do for you?
Speaker 3: Well, they just let me write down those things that
Speaker 3: I need to do. So I have a little notepad,
Speaker 3: I'll write down little notes and I'll stick it on
Speaker 3: my desk, and then at some point they accumulate and
Speaker 3: grow to a huge pile, and then I really have
Speaker 3: to you know, on a weekend afternoon, I'll just sit
Speaker 3: down and try to get those done.
Speaker 1: Excellent, everything, that's all the sticky notes. Well, we're going
Speaker 1: to take one more quick ad break and then I'll
Speaker 1: be back with more from Hordey Jam. Well, we are
Speaker 1: back with Hoorgey Cham who is the host of the
Speaker 1: Science Stuff podcast, along with many other things, including a
Speaker 1: long career in the comic world. So I am very
Speaker 1: curious about the creative process for doing a comic. I mean,
Speaker 1: I can tell you about the creative process for writing
Speaker 1: or coming up with podcast ideas, but when it's something visual,
Speaker 1: like what, how are you playing around with ideas or
Speaker 1: processing ideas before you have the finished artwork?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, for me, it sort of starts way before
Speaker 3: I even sit down to think about them. You know,
Speaker 3: when you're a cartoonist and you know you have that
Speaker 3: pressure of coming up with a comic strip every so often.
Speaker 3: It is for some people it's every day, for some
Speaker 3: people it's every other day. You sort of learned to
Speaker 3: always have your antenna whenever you're talking to friends or family,
Speaker 3: or whenever you're out in the world. You're always sitting
Speaker 3: desperate for ideas, and you're always desperate for those little
Speaker 3: nuggets of truth that are just floating out there that
Speaker 3: make you go, oh that's funny or huh, I wonder
Speaker 3: why people do that, And so you it's for me.
Speaker 3: The process starts way before even sitting down, which is
Speaker 3: I always have this antenna up, and then when I
Speaker 3: sit down, I sit down with a notepad. In this case,
Speaker 3: it's a digital notepad. It's a Samsung tablet. I love
Speaker 3: that machine. I have this one that I've been using
Speaker 3: for like five years. It's helped me write about five
Speaker 3: books and about thirty television episodes that I've written, and
Speaker 3: so it's just this really great way to brainstorm and
Speaker 3: then just write things down. I think most people know
Speaker 3: that when you write things down, it's basically like expanding
Speaker 3: your memory or expanding your ram memory if you're sort
Speaker 3: of a computer geek, where you can sort of lay
Speaker 3: down ideas, spin them on papers and then they're floating
Speaker 3: there and then you can access them and make connections
Speaker 3: to it. And I especially like using a digital notebook
Speaker 3: because it's sort of like an infinite canvas. So if
Speaker 3: you use a notepad, at some point you're going to
Speaker 3: hit the edge of the paper, But if you use
Speaker 3: a digital notepad, you can you can just keep doodling
Speaker 3: and making connections and following a path. So I am
Speaker 3: very visual when I've brainstorm, and when I write, I
Speaker 3: sort of doodle along and make little sketches and then
Speaker 3: connect those two words and then write out a paragraph
Speaker 3: by Longhand and yeah it's one of my favorite parts. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I imagine like there are certain thoughts that make
Speaker 1: a good comic. I mean, especially if you're thinking about
Speaker 1: like a three panel comic, like what what you know,
Speaker 1: the setup, the you know, teeing up the end and
Speaker 1: the punchline in the last one, or.
Speaker 2: However it goes. I mean, I it must just.
Speaker 1: Be a certain mental model that you then have of
Speaker 1: the universe and putting everything in that order.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, there's always sort of like the setup, the development,
Speaker 3: the punchline, and then the after punchline in a typical
Speaker 3: comic strip. But again, it all starts with that nug
Speaker 3: it of truth, you know, like why do we procrastinate,
Speaker 3: for example, or what's the first thing would that we
Speaker 3: do in the morning. Why isn't it usually the thing
Speaker 3: that is maybe most pressing? Or you know, if you're
Speaker 3: in a position where you're working with somebody, why detail
Speaker 3: them certain things at certain times? So those little nuggets
Speaker 3: are true, That's where it starts. And then and then
Speaker 3: I try to build the sort of the setup and
Speaker 3: the scene around it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, excellent, excellent.
Speaker 1: So I'm curious then, what your daily schedule tends to
Speaker 1: look like these days.
Speaker 2: I mean, we're.
Speaker 1: Getting up, making the to do list, we're going through
Speaker 1: some of it, and do you keep regular work hours
Speaker 1: or what does that look.
Speaker 2: Like these days?
Speaker 3: Oh, I think my spouse would be laughing right now
Speaker 3: she's hearing this. So part of this idea of a
Speaker 3: procrastination is, you know, what I'm trying to do is
Speaker 3: basically lead a lifestyle where it sort of seems like
Speaker 3: I'm retired. You know, if you're retired, your goal is
Speaker 3: to wake up every morning and just do what you
Speaker 3: want to do. And so that's a little bit how
Speaker 3: I structure my day. You know, I kind of go
Speaker 3: with where my motivation is. So some days, especially Mondays,
Speaker 3: I'm not super motivated, and so I just don't put
Speaker 3: a lot of pressure on myself to be productive. But
Speaker 3: then Tuesday, maybe I'm really motivated, and then I'll stay
Speaker 3: up all night maybe or stay up really late, and
Speaker 3: then the next morning I might not get as much sleep,
Speaker 3: but then you catch up a little bit later. So
Speaker 3: it's a very kind of fluid process for me, as
Speaker 3: my family will probably complain about it.
Speaker 1: Well, if you found people who will put up with you,
Speaker 1: then I guess good for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so far, so good, So far far, so good.
Speaker 1: Well that's awesome. So one thing I often ask people
Speaker 1: is what have you done recently to take a day
Speaker 1: from great to awesome? Oh?
Speaker 3: Great question? What have I done recently to take it
Speaker 3: from great to awesome? So recently I have a series
Speaker 3: of books for kids out called Oliver's Great Big Universe,
Speaker 3: and it's sort of like a dire of a one
Speaker 3: big kid, but with science. So it's educational but also
Speaker 3: really fun with a lot of barf and fart jokes
Speaker 3: for kids of course. So it's a great series. And
Speaker 3: as part of that, I get invited to go to
Speaker 3: schools and do school talks for kids, And recently I
Speaker 3: was in this school in North Carolina, and I kind
Speaker 3: of have a couple of options for presentations. I have
Speaker 3: one that's sort of like here, I'm going to talk
Speaker 3: about the universe and how amazing it is and how
Speaker 3: big it is, and I have fun with that's a
Speaker 3: little bit more chaotic, where I run this kind of
Speaker 3: game show with the kids and I have to draw them,
Speaker 3: but also answer their science questions at the same time.
Speaker 3: Super fun and so you know, it was a very
Speaker 3: kind of button up kind of school, buttoned down school,
Speaker 3: very very nice school. And I was like, you know,
Speaker 3: instead of doing the save science talk, I mean, let's
Speaker 3: go with the chaotic fun one. And the librarians were
Speaker 3: all into it, so like, yeah, let's do it. And
Speaker 3: it turned to be this really incredible experience with the
Speaker 3: kids where at the end they're like standing up, cheering,
Speaker 3: hugging each other, high fiving each other. It was just
Speaker 3: pure joy from beginning to and I think, you know,
Speaker 3: it was one of those moments where you know, you
Speaker 3: don't know what's going to happen in the future. You
Speaker 3: don't know what's going to happen if I make this decision,
Speaker 3: but let's just go at it, you know, let's go
Speaker 3: with the option that seems more fun. And it turned
Speaker 3: out to be more fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I like that. It's this great approach to life,
Speaker 2: like what will make more of a.
Speaker 1: Memory, right, and eventually it will be on the other
Speaker 1: side of anything, so least you should get a good
Speaker 1: story out of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So what are you looking forward to right now?
Speaker 3: Well, right, no, I'm pretty focused on this new podcast,
Speaker 3: Sign Stuff, which folks can find anywhere they get podcasts,
Speaker 3: and I'm super excited because it's an interesting deep dive
Speaker 3: into a different topic every week. So one week, I'm,
Speaker 3: you know, taking a deep dive into near death experiences
Speaker 3: and are those real? And the next week I'm taking
Speaker 3: a deep dive into well, what happens if you dig
Speaker 3: a hole to the center of the earth? Is that
Speaker 3: even possible? And then the next week I'm getting hypnotized
Speaker 3: by a couple of hymnotism experts to see if hymnotism
Speaker 3: really works.
Speaker 1: Well, I can't wait for that one. Will look forward
Speaker 1: to listening to that. See see where you go with that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess I remember also while not swimming for an
Speaker 1: hour after eating as a kid on the beach, you know,
Speaker 1: wondering if I dug a sandhole to China. That might
Speaker 1: have been something to occupy the time for the how
Speaker 1: you could?
Speaker 2: Yeah, swim?
Speaker 3: These are deep questions.
Speaker 2: Answer are deep questions.
Speaker 1: These are horrhe I'm glad we're we're getting into the
Speaker 1: getting to the bottom of this. So yeah, we can
Speaker 1: check out the Science Stuff podcast or Hey, thank you
Speaker 1: so much for joining me today.
Speaker 3: Awesome. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you to everyone for listening. If you have
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