1 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to Before Breakfast, a production of iHeartRadio. Good Morning, 2 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: This is Laura. Welcome to the Before Breakfast podcast. Today's 3 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: episode is going to be a longer one part of 4 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: the series where I interview fascinating people about how they 5 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: take their days from great to awesome and any advice. 6 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 2: They have for the rest of us. 7 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: So today I am delighted to welcome Jorge Cham to 8 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: the show. Jorge is the host of the podcast Science Stuff, 9 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: among many other things. So Orge, welcome to the show. 10 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:37,279 Speaker 3: Hi, thanks for having me. 11 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, so, why don't you tell our listeners a little 12 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: bit about yourself? 13 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, so again, my name is Hoorge Cham and what 14 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 3: you might call a recovering academic. So I'm someone who 15 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 3: used to be on track to be a professor or 16 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 3: a researcher at a university. Somewhere during research on robotics. 17 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 3: So I with PhD in robotics, but somewhere along the 18 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 3: line I got a little bit sidetracked by a cartooning career. 19 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 3: Now you might be wondering what is having a PhD 20 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 3: in robotics and being a cartoonons have in common? And 21 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 3: I can tell you my parents are also very concerned 22 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 3: about that I can imagine. 23 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: It's quite the pivot. Maybe you can talk a little 24 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: bit about what inspired that pivot. I mean, I find 25 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 1: cartoons cool, so I understand. 26 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, it's been super interesting. So while I 27 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 3: was getting my degree in robotics, I just happened to 28 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 3: have this hobby of drawing comics, and so I do 29 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 3: this comic strip for the Stanford Daily newspaper. They're like 30 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,839 Speaker 3: the student newspaper, and it's called pal Tier and Deeper 31 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 3: or PhD Comics, and the best way to describe it, 32 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 3: it's kind of like Dilbert, but sat in a university's 33 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 3: spoken fun at professors, students, the administration, all that. And 34 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 3: then at some point I put it online and it 35 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 3: sort of went viral over the years to the point 36 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 3: where I realized that these comics were much more popular 37 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 3: than the research I was doing. So I decided to 38 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 3: kind of give it a go, and so I opted 39 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 3: for a kind of a creative career in stead of 40 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 3: an academic career, and it's been a wild ride. I 41 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 3: did those comics for about fifteen years, got to travel 42 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 3: the world, produced a couple of movies based on it, 43 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 3: and then that eventually led to books and a television 44 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 3: show for kids on PBS Kids, and now this amazing 45 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 3: and super fun podcast called Science Stuff for iHeart. 46 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:23,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, well you've been doing the podcasting for a couple 47 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: of years now in different iterations, right. 48 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. I was one of the co hosts and co 49 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 3: creators of a podcast called Daniel and Jorge Explain the Universe, 50 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 3: a very humbly called a titled podcast, but we're mostly 51 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 3: talked about physics and kind of the exploring the universe 52 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 3: and how things work. But after about five to six 53 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 3: years that podcasts ended, and now I'm doing this for 54 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 3: iHeart Science Stuff. 55 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 2: Well, what's the goal that you have with Science Stuff? 56 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, the goal is to make science fun and accessible 57 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 3: for an everyday person. So every episode we tackle a 58 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 3: really fun and fascinating question like dour pets lie to us, 59 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 3: what is inside of a black hole? Or could you 60 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 3: survive getting cryogenically frozen? Or something that's on the news, Lady, 61 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 3: what is a quantum computer? So we do you know, 62 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 3: quick thirty to forty minute breakdowns to what are the 63 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 3: main things, what are the main things to understand? We 64 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 3: talk to experts, We keep it sort of light and 65 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 3: fun and accessible to everyone. 66 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds great. 67 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: Well, and I want to talk about an episode that 68 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: you did not mention in your list there, but I'm 69 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: sure is one that people will reference frequently, including my 70 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: own children, which is the idea of whether you need 71 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: to wait thirty minutes after eating. 72 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 2: In order to go back in the pool or ocean. 73 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: So as we are coming up to swimming season, maybe 74 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: you can, maybe you can address that topic for us. 75 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: Is it yeah, do we need to wait thirty minutes? 76 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 3: Well, you can't have to listen to the episode, but 77 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 3: I'll break down here. 78 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 2: Maybe just a hint for people listening to this. 79 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 3: No, I'm happy to talk about it. So it's one 80 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 3: of our episodes that are out right now. It's people 81 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 3: can listen to them right now. And the question is 82 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 3: do you have really have to wait thirty minutes after 83 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 3: eating before you can go swimming? And this is really 84 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 3: kind of a personal question for me in the episode 85 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 3: because I grew up in Panama swimming a lot in 86 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 3: pools at the beach and my aunt, my mom's sister, 87 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 3: was a pediatrician. She was a doctor, and she would 88 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 3: always be the one saying, no, you get after eating, 89 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 3: you gotta stop wait and just sit there and be 90 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 3: totally bored for thirty minutes before you can go back 91 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 3: to swimming. And so I really wanted to know was 92 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 3: my aunt lying to me the whole time? And so 93 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 3: I go on this quest where I talk to a 94 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 3: doctor who used to be a competitivist competitive swimmer, and 95 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 3: I talked to a physiologist who specializes in exercise and 96 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 3: how it relates to heorty digestive system. And what's kind 97 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 3: of interesting is you find out that a couple of 98 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 3: the myth myth myths around this advice kind of turn 99 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 3: out to be not true. So a lot of people 100 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 3: think that if you eat too soon before you go eating, 101 00:04:56,279 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 3: you might get cramps. Well, actually turns out that scientists 102 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 3: don't really know what causes cramps. First of all, that's 103 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 3: a little bit mind blowing, but also it turns out 104 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 3: that they think that actually what causes cramps is not eating. 105 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 3: So if you don't have enough sugar or electrolytes in 106 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 3: your body, you might actually be the thing that causes cramps. 107 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 3: And the other thing that a lot of people say 108 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 3: is that why you shouldn't swim is that they think 109 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 3: that maybe your stomach sucks all the blood in your 110 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 3: body when it's trying to digest, and that's also turns 111 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 3: out to be not quite true. The physiologists said that actually, 112 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 3: your muscles are basically like huge hogs in your body. 113 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 3: If they need blood, they're going to take it from 114 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 3: anywhere they can, anywhere in your body. And so you 115 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 3: really don't have to need to worry because also your 116 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 3: heart is pumping faster, so you know your stomach is 117 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 3: getting enough blood. The problem is, though, that your body 118 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 3: doesn't kind of like having food in its stomach, you know, 119 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 3: when it's kind of how your body tells you that 120 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 3: you've eaten enough, and so it gives you this feeling 121 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 3: being full, and you feel a little bit uncomfortable. And 122 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 3: so actually doing high intensity activity like swimming or or 123 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 3: doing a lot of laps will actually cost it digestion 124 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 3: to slow down, and so that's why you might feel 125 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 3: uncomfortable if you swim too soon after eating. 126 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: So, yeah, but it's not the cramps. You're not gonna 127 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: cramp up and immediately drowned. 128 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 3: You're Yeah, you heard. 129 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 2: Different versions of it. 130 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: I mean, there was your aunt had thirty minutes, but 131 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 1: I've I've heard people as much as an hour with 132 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: that saying that would be even worse, so you could. Yeah, 133 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: I know, but it's funny because you know, for other sports, 134 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: like we're sitting there giving our little soccer players like 135 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: orange slices and whatever, like we're giving them calories. 136 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 2: While they're exercising. 137 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: But but I mean, obviously you wouldn't want to eat 138 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: a huge meal and then immediately try to like run 139 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 1: a raise. 140 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think orange bananas some juice is probably great 141 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 3: for the sugar and the electrolytes. But you know, two 142 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 3: cheeseburgers before going on laps or swimming out until lake 143 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 3: is you don't have to wait the thirty minutes, but 144 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 3: you probably should write or. 145 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: Maybe just not eat the two cheeseburgers another idea. Well, 146 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: we're going to take a quick ad break and then 147 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: I'll be back with more from Hoorge Cham. Well, I 148 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: am back with Hororge cham who is the host of 149 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: the new podcast Science Stuff. He's been telling us that 150 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: maybe we don't need to wait thirty minutes before going 151 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: in the water after swimming. But another thing, I'm sure 152 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: many people are wondering, can you survive being cryogenically frozen. 153 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: I don't know that I was planning on doing it, 154 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: but maybe some of my listeners. 155 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 3: Were, yeah, you might want to put those plans on ice, 156 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 3: okay literally as it were, yes, yeah, yeah. So there 157 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 3: is another episode that is currently out and people can 158 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 3: listen to it, but it's about asking the question, if 159 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 3: you know, if you have a certain illness that they 160 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 3: don't have a cure for right now, or if you 161 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 3: want to go to a distant star. You know, the 162 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 3: closest stars about forty trillion miles away, so it's going 163 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 3: to take a while to get there. So if we 164 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 3: over ever really want to explore the cosmos, we kind 165 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 3: of have to figure out how to pause life, you know. 166 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 3: Or you just want to kind of see what the 167 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 3: future is like. You might want to get frozen and 168 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 3: then you wake up when there's flying cars and jet 169 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 3: pegs and all that. So there's definitely a lot of 170 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 3: reasons to do it. And so in the episode, we 171 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 3: dive deep with biologist who studies frogs, these wood frogs 172 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 3: that apparently have adapted to survived these long winters out 173 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:38,559 Speaker 3: there in the cold Arctic and the weather, and they're 174 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 3: able to survive having their whole body frozen basically because 175 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 3: they develop an adaptation to produce anti freeze in their body. Yeah, 176 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 3: they as they're freezing, their livers suddenly get super hyperactive 177 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 3: and they produce a lot of sugar and then that 178 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 3: sugar kind of acts and x as an anti freeze 179 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 3: to let them survive being frozen. But that wouldn't really 180 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 3: work for humans because basically we would die from the 181 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 3: diabetic shock. 182 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't have that adaptation yet. We're not evolved. 183 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: To freeze like frogs in the Arctic winter. 184 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. 185 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: I think there's probably some interesting things with like freezing 186 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 1: individual organs, right, Like I think you guys explored this, Like, 187 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, right now, our transplant system is 188 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: stuck by the fact that you have to get these 189 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 1: organs where they're going very quickly, and if you had 190 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: a match from say somebody in you know, Tokyo, when 191 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: you're in New York, like you're not getting that organ 192 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 1: for the most part. 193 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, that's something we also take a deep dive in. 194 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 3: We actually talked to the CEO of one of these 195 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 3: companies that will freeze you, Like they'll freeze your organs, 196 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 3: but they also freeze your brain if you wanted to, 197 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 3: or they'll freeze your whole body if you think you're 198 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 3: not going to make it. So it's super fascinating. And 199 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:52,959 Speaker 3: what they're able to do now is basically use the 200 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 3: same technique sas as a frog sort of. They use 201 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 3: a kind of anti freeze called glycole ethylene glycole or 202 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 3: some glycerine, some sort of sugar alcohol and replace all 203 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 3: the water in the cells of these organs, and then 204 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 3: you can freeze them because that that doesn't turn to ice, 205 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 3: it sort of turns into more of like a glass. 206 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 3: And so you're you're able to do things for simple 207 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 3: things like like sperm or embryos if you if you're 208 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 3: going through IVF or in viature fertilization uh those that works. 209 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 3: You can replace the water dipping in liquid nitigen and 210 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 3: then have it survived. It gets a lot trickier when 211 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 3: you get to more complicated organs, so like your liver, 212 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 3: even your liver or your muscles or and especially your brain. 213 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 3: It's just so complicated and so fragile that they haven't 214 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 3: quite figured out how to get those two sorts. So 215 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 3: you can freeze them, but you might not survive the. 216 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 2: Might survive the process. 217 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: You just have a frozen thing and you know it 218 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:52,079 Speaker 1: just can't unfreeze very well. Yeah, like like some of 219 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: the things I put in my freezer when they when 220 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: they come out. 221 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not sure that. Yeah, freezer burn, freaser burn 222 00:10:57,760 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 3: is a real thing, and you don't want them in 223 00:10:59,360 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 3: your brain. 224 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 2: Don't want that for sure. 225 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:05,439 Speaker 1: Well, on this podcast we talk a lot about time management, productivity. 226 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: You've done a lot of things in your life for hey, 227 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: I understand that your productivity secret, as it were, is 228 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: productive procrastination. Maybe you can enlighten us on what that is. 229 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I like to think of myself as a 230 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 3: professional procrastinator. I sort of cent her my whole life 231 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 3: and time management around this idea. And before I get 232 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 3: into trouble with any of your listeners and who procrastinate 233 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 3: and then they get into trouble, there's sort of two 234 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 3: things you have to really attach to this idea to 235 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 3: make it work. So these are very im poorinent things. 236 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 3: So the first one is my belief that procrastination is 237 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 3: not the same thing as laziness. So we often associate 238 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 3: it to but actually if you separate the two, you 239 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 3: will have a better go at it. So laziness that's 240 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 3: when you don't want to do anything procrastination just means 241 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 3: you don't want to do it now. So there are 242 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 3: two different things. And the idea is that if you 243 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,959 Speaker 3: put off doing something and then you don't get it done, 244 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 3: then that's laziness. But if you just put something off 245 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 3: doing something, if you just put off doing something and 246 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 3: then you get it done, then that's just procrastination. So 247 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 3: it's kind of a way to hold yourself accountable. If 248 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 3: you don't get it done, you can procrastinate, but if 249 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:21,959 Speaker 3: you don't get it done, then then you're just kind 250 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 3: of being lazy, Okay. And then the second thing that's 251 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 3: important is to think about this idea that I think 252 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 3: we do our best work when we're doing what we 253 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 3: want to be doing instead of when we're doing what 254 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 3: we think we should be doing. Okay, So if you 255 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 3: look at the definition of procrastination, it means to do 256 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 3: things that you want to do instead of doing the 257 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 3: things that you feel you should be doing. So I 258 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 3: sort of organize my life by I wake up every morning, 259 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 3: I make a list of the things that I need 260 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 3: to do, and I look at sort of the how 261 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 3: urgent some of them are, Whether this one's a pretty 262 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 3: late look of this one's do today, tomorrow, the next week. 263 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 3: And then instead of going down the list by what 264 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 3: is more urgent, I go down the list by what 265 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 3: I want to do. Like, I look at this list 266 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 3: and I think, well, I know I need to really 267 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 3: do this, and I know this is really important, but 268 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 3: right now, what I really feel like doing is doing this, 269 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 3: And so that's I'm sort of procrastinating by definition, but 270 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 3: I'm so motivated and I'm much more excited and enthusiastic 271 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 3: about doing it that I think in the end it 272 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:32,559 Speaker 3: comes out to be better work. 273 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: But do you ever get to the things that you 274 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: were supposed to do or do we just forget those? 275 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 3: Yeah? 276 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: Why where does that happen in the course of tackling 277 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: this to do list? 278 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, Well I can get a little bit tricky. 279 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 3: But basically, if you sort of do all the things 280 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 3: you want to do, once you get those done, then 281 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 3: you just left with the things that are urgent and 282 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 3: that you didn't want to do in the morning. But 283 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 3: at that point, you know, you know they're important for you, 284 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 3: so you're just going to get them done at the 285 00:13:58,640 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 3: end of the day. 286 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: So I have found, you know, and maybe this is 287 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 1: a version of this. I sometimes get myself to do 288 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: all sorts of things that I wasn't sure I wanted 289 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: to do by putting something else on my list that. 290 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 2: I truly do not want to do. 291 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: So by once that thing is on the list and 292 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: I really don't want to do that, I'm like, well, 293 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: you know this other like I don't want to do 294 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: my taxes. But compared to that, like calling this person 295 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: and having this unpleasant conversation, Okay, Like that's not so bad. 296 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: I'm just having a conversation or editing this document. That's 297 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: a mess, but you know it's it's just editing. It's 298 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: all my taxes, right, Like is that something you ever. 299 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 2: Find yourself doing? 300 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 3: Sort of? Sometimes? You know, I find that the brain 301 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 3: is so clever and adaptable that any kind of trick, 302 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 3: any kind of scheme you try to implement to fool 303 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 3: your own brain or to get you to do things 304 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 3: you don't really want to do, ultimately your brain is 305 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 3: going to adapt to them, or it's going to find excuses, 306 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 3: or it's going to basically realize I don't really have 307 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 3: to do this. And so for me, at least, what's 308 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 3: worked is just to really think about I want to 309 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 3: motivated to do you know, what is it that I 310 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 3: really want to do, and focus on that. And you know, 311 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 3: once you get all the fun stuff done, at the 312 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 3: end of the day, you're like, oh, I have some time. 313 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 3: I really need to make that. Then disappointment. I really 314 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 3: want to have nice teeth. I don't want to have cavities. 315 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 3: All right, I'll make that call. And so that's kind 316 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 3: of how I organize my life. 317 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 2: Excellent. 318 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned that you sit down in the morning 319 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: and do this. I'm wondering if you have any other 320 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: sort of routines you do during the day that have 321 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: been helpful in your life. 322 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, great question. I do that. I have a lot 323 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 3: of sticky notes around me. 324 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 2: What do the sticky notes do for you? 325 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 3: Well, they just let me write down those things that 326 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 3: I need to do. So I have a little notepad, 327 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 3: I'll write down little notes and I'll stick it on 328 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 3: my desk, and then at some point they accumulate and 329 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 3: grow to a huge pile, and then I really have 330 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 3: to you know, on a weekend afternoon, I'll just sit 331 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 3: down and try to get those done. 332 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: Excellent, everything, that's all the sticky notes. Well, we're going 333 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: to take one more quick ad break and then I'll 334 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: be back with more from Hordey Jam. Well, we are 335 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: back with Hoorgey Cham who is the host of the 336 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: Science Stuff podcast, along with many other things, including a 337 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: long career in the comic world. So I am very 338 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: curious about the creative process for doing a comic. I mean, 339 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: I can tell you about the creative process for writing 340 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: or coming up with podcast ideas, but when it's something visual, 341 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: like what, how are you playing around with ideas or 342 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: processing ideas before you have the finished artwork? 343 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, for me, it sort of starts way before 344 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 3: I even sit down to think about them. You know, 345 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 3: when you're a cartoonist and you know you have that 346 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 3: pressure of coming up with a comic strip every so often. 347 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 3: It is for some people it's every day, for some 348 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 3: people it's every other day. You sort of learned to 349 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 3: always have your antenna whenever you're talking to friends or family, 350 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 3: or whenever you're out in the world. You're always sitting 351 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 3: desperate for ideas, and you're always desperate for those little 352 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 3: nuggets of truth that are just floating out there that 353 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 3: make you go, oh that's funny or huh, I wonder 354 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 3: why people do that, And so you it's for me. 355 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 3: The process starts way before even sitting down, which is 356 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 3: I always have this antenna up, and then when I 357 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 3: sit down, I sit down with a notepad. In this case, 358 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 3: it's a digital notepad. It's a Samsung tablet. I love 359 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 3: that machine. I have this one that I've been using 360 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 3: for like five years. It's helped me write about five 361 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:35,880 Speaker 3: books and about thirty television episodes that I've written, and 362 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 3: so it's just this really great way to brainstorm and 363 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 3: then just write things down. I think most people know 364 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 3: that when you write things down, it's basically like expanding 365 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:51,640 Speaker 3: your memory or expanding your ram memory if you're sort 366 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,360 Speaker 3: of a computer geek, where you can sort of lay 367 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 3: down ideas, spin them on papers and then they're floating 368 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 3: there and then you can access them and make connections 369 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 3: to it. And I especially like using a digital notebook 370 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 3: because it's sort of like an infinite canvas. So if 371 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 3: you use a notepad, at some point you're going to 372 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 3: hit the edge of the paper, But if you use 373 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 3: a digital notepad, you can you can just keep doodling 374 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 3: and making connections and following a path. So I am 375 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:19,239 Speaker 3: very visual when I've brainstorm, and when I write, I 376 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 3: sort of doodle along and make little sketches and then 377 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 3: connect those two words and then write out a paragraph 378 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 3: by Longhand and yeah it's one of my favorite parts. Yeah. 379 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: Well, I imagine like there are certain thoughts that make 380 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: a good comic. I mean, especially if you're thinking about 381 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: like a three panel comic, like what what you know, 382 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: the setup, the you know, teeing up the end and 383 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: the punchline in the last one, or. 384 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 2: However it goes. I mean, I it must just. 385 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: Be a certain mental model that you then have of 386 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 1: the universe and putting everything in that order. 387 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, there's always sort of like the setup, the development, 388 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 3: the punchline, and then the after punchline in a typical 389 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 3: comic strip. But again, it all starts with that nug 390 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 3: it of truth, you know, like why do we procrastinate, 391 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,919 Speaker 3: for example, or what's the first thing would that we 392 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 3: do in the morning. Why isn't it usually the thing 393 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 3: that is maybe most pressing? Or you know, if you're 394 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 3: in a position where you're working with somebody, why detail 395 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 3: them certain things at certain times? So those little nuggets 396 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 3: are true, That's where it starts. And then and then 397 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 3: I try to build the sort of the setup and 398 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 3: the scene around it. 399 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, excellent, excellent. 400 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: So I'm curious then, what your daily schedule tends to 401 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 1: look like these days. 402 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 2: I mean, we're. 403 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: Getting up, making the to do list, we're going through 404 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: some of it, and do you keep regular work hours 405 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: or what does that look. 406 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 2: Like these days? 407 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 3: Oh, I think my spouse would be laughing right now 408 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 3: she's hearing this. So part of this idea of a 409 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,679 Speaker 3: procrastination is, you know, what I'm trying to do is 410 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 3: basically lead a lifestyle where it sort of seems like 411 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 3: I'm retired. You know, if you're retired, your goal is 412 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 3: to wake up every morning and just do what you 413 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 3: want to do. And so that's a little bit how 414 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 3: I structure my day. You know, I kind of go 415 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 3: with where my motivation is. So some days, especially Mondays, 416 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 3: I'm not super motivated, and so I just don't put 417 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,959 Speaker 3: a lot of pressure on myself to be productive. But 418 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 3: then Tuesday, maybe I'm really motivated, and then I'll stay 419 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 3: up all night maybe or stay up really late, and 420 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 3: then the next morning I might not get as much sleep, 421 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,239 Speaker 3: but then you catch up a little bit later. So 422 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 3: it's a very kind of fluid process for me, as 423 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 3: my family will probably complain about it. 424 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: Well, if you found people who will put up with you, 425 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 1: then I guess good for you. 426 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so far, so good, So far far, so good. 427 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: Well that's awesome. So one thing I often ask people 428 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 1: is what have you done recently to take a day 429 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: from great to awesome? Oh? 430 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:58,640 Speaker 3: Great question? What have I done recently to take it 431 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 3: from great to awesome? So recently I have a series 432 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 3: of books for kids out called Oliver's Great Big Universe, 433 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:15,360 Speaker 3: and it's sort of like a dire of a one 434 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 3: big kid, but with science. So it's educational but also 435 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 3: really fun with a lot of barf and fart jokes 436 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 3: for kids of course. So it's a great series. And 437 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 3: as part of that, I get invited to go to 438 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 3: schools and do school talks for kids, And recently I 439 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 3: was in this school in North Carolina, and I kind 440 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,479 Speaker 3: of have a couple of options for presentations. I have 441 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 3: one that's sort of like here, I'm going to talk 442 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 3: about the universe and how amazing it is and how 443 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 3: big it is, and I have fun with that's a 444 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 3: little bit more chaotic, where I run this kind of 445 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 3: game show with the kids and I have to draw them, 446 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 3: but also answer their science questions at the same time. 447 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,959 Speaker 3: Super fun and so you know, it was a very 448 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 3: kind of button up kind of school, buttoned down school, 449 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 3: very very nice school. And I was like, you know, 450 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 3: instead of doing the save science talk, I mean, let's 451 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,959 Speaker 3: go with the chaotic fun one. And the librarians were 452 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 3: all into it, so like, yeah, let's do it. And 453 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 3: it turned to be this really incredible experience with the 454 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 3: kids where at the end they're like standing up, cheering, 455 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 3: hugging each other, high fiving each other. It was just 456 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 3: pure joy from beginning to and I think, you know, 457 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 3: it was one of those moments where you know, you 458 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 3: don't know what's going to happen in the future. You 459 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 3: don't know what's going to happen if I make this decision, 460 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 3: but let's just go at it, you know, let's go 461 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 3: with the option that seems more fun. And it turned 462 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 3: out to be more fun. 463 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I like that. It's this great approach to life, 464 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 2: like what will make more of a. 465 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: Memory, right, and eventually it will be on the other 466 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 1: side of anything, so least you should get a good 467 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:47,959 Speaker 1: story out of it. 468 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, So what are you looking forward to right now? 469 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 3: Well, right, no, I'm pretty focused on this new podcast, 470 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 3: Sign Stuff, which folks can find anywhere they get podcasts, 471 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 3: and I'm super excited because it's an interesting deep dive 472 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 3: into a different topic every week. So one week, I'm, 473 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,199 Speaker 3: you know, taking a deep dive into near death experiences 474 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 3: and are those real? And the next week I'm taking 475 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 3: a deep dive into well, what happens if you dig 476 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 3: a hole to the center of the earth? Is that 477 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 3: even possible? And then the next week I'm getting hypnotized 478 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 3: by a couple of hymnotism experts to see if hymnotism 479 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 3: really works. 480 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 1: Well, I can't wait for that one. Will look forward 481 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: to listening to that. See see where you go with that? Yeah, 482 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 1: I guess I remember also while not swimming for an 483 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: hour after eating as a kid on the beach, you know, 484 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: wondering if I dug a sandhole to China. That might 485 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: have been something to occupy the time for the how 486 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: you could? 487 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, swim? 488 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 3: These are deep questions. 489 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 2: Answer are deep questions. 490 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: These are horrhe I'm glad we're we're getting into the 491 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,640 Speaker 1: getting to the bottom of this. So yeah, we can 492 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: check out the Science Stuff podcast or Hey, thank you 493 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:55,719 Speaker 1: so much for joining me today. 494 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 3: Awesome. Thanks for having me. 495 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you to everyone for listening. If you have 496 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: feedback on this or any other episode, you can always 497 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: reach me at Laura at Laura vandercam dot com and 498 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 1: in the meantime, this is Laura. Thanks for listening and 499 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 1: here's to making the most. 500 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:11,120 Speaker 2: Of our time. 501 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to Before Breakfast. 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