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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A three year old little girl,

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Speaker 1: Olivia goes missing. What happened to Olivia? Crime Stories with

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for being with us. Take a listen to our

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Speaker 1: friends at KCTV five. We have an active amber alert

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Speaker 1: just into the newsroom. This is for a missing three

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Speaker 1: year old from Kansas City, Kansas. Greg Payne is live

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Speaker 1: at the scene for us right now, and Greg, what

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Speaker 1: can you tell us about these breaking details? Joe, As

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Speaker 1: you had just mentioned that that Amber alert just went off.

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Speaker 1: Everybody to hear at the scene their phones went off.

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Speaker 1: Officials say the three year old child was noticed missing

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Speaker 1: by parents early this morning and they contacted police at

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Speaker 1: around eight thirty am. The young girl, Olivia and Jansen,

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Speaker 1: was last seen wearing pajamas. At this time, police say

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Speaker 1: it's too early to determine if she was taking a

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Speaker 1: distance back off of Gifts Road and is wooded. The

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Speaker 1: fire is out. Fire officials are out there with search

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Speaker 1: and rescue dogs and police are continuing to search. Police

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Speaker 1: say there was another scene, but it has been cleared.

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Speaker 1: They didn't release the location of that scene of Police

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Speaker 1: say at this time there's no threat to people living

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Speaker 1: in the neighborhood right now, and if you do have

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Speaker 1: any additional information, they encourage you to contact the Tips hotline. Well,

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Speaker 1: I just learned a lot about missing three year old

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Speaker 1: Olivia with me and All Star panel Ashley Wilcott, judge

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Speaker 1: Where now it's like analyst joining me out of Beverly Hills.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall. You can follow her at doctor Bethany

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Speaker 1: Marshall dot com. Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University,

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Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, clim online

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Speaker 1: dot com, investigative reporter Sierra Gillespie, and special guests joining

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Speaker 1: us Olivia's grandmother Elizabeth Jansen. But first I want you

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Speaker 1: to hear how Olivia was reported missing. Take a listen

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Speaker 1: to forty one Action News Emma Jangs. Please tell us

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Speaker 1: this started when Olivia's father came into the station to

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Speaker 1: report her missing at eight thirty this morning. They say

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Speaker 1: it took several hours to make that report. Alice say,

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Speaker 1: the last time her father saw her was around eleven

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Speaker 1: last night. And we spoke with Olivia's a stepgrandmother today,

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Speaker 1: who tells us she's heartbroken. She just wants Olivia home.

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Speaker 1: She's she's she just messed. She's a beautiful little girl,

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Speaker 1: sweet hybrid. She's just say she's my son. That's what

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Speaker 1: we called each other. Some showing police are asking anyone

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Speaker 1: discussing when the little girl first goes missing. First of all,

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Speaker 1: to you, Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jackson State University.

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Speaker 1: Olivia goes missing from her own home, last seen around

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Speaker 1: eleven o'clock the night before in her pj's. You know

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Speaker 1: it does happen. For instance, Elizabeth Smart went missing from

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Speaker 1: her home. Isabelle Seale went missing from her home. That's real.

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Speaker 1: Polly Class Mark Klass's daughter went missing from her home,

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Speaker 1: all abducted and killed, not Elizabeth, of course, by people

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Speaker 1: very rare. So what would you do to analyze a

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Speaker 1: reality is if the child quote wandered off on her own,

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Speaker 1: Sierra Gillespie Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Sierra I

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Speaker 1: when you first heard that Olivia was missing. What did

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Speaker 1: something bad for her father to be calling me when

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Speaker 1: So what he was saying didn't make any sense at all. No,

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Speaker 1: five news anchor Joe Shiodo, Reporter Greg Pahey, we have

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Speaker 1: Greg Payne is live at the scene for US right now.

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Speaker 1: And Greg, what can you tell us about these breaking details? Joe,

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Speaker 1: Officials say the three year old child was noticed missing

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Speaker 1: that the police officer said, this wasn't unexpected. This is

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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace, because we were talking about

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Speaker 1: a three year old little girl. All the red flags

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Speaker 1: were there, nothing was done. Her grandmother, who was with

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Speaker 1: us today, tried everything to save three year old Olivia,

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Speaker 1: but now Olivia is dead. No matter what grandma did.

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Speaker 1: De Facts had gotten multiple calls, but had left the

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Speaker 1: child in the home, not even bothering to investigate. The

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Speaker 1: grandma's last call. Take a listen to action Knews reporter

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Speaker 1: Andre guetars the baby was always so unhappy to go home.

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Speaker 1: She would frown and say, you loved me, You're not

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Speaker 1: mad at me. I come back, I come back, And

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Speaker 1: I told her, I will hurt anybody that keeps you

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Speaker 1: away from me. That was back in March, the last

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Speaker 1: time Elizabeth Jansen says she saw her granddaughter. Recently, she

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Speaker 1: and Howard Jansen the second grew worried over Olivia as

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Speaker 1: well being. They say they called KCK police and eventually

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Speaker 1: DCF because they wouldn't do anything other than knock on

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Speaker 1: the door. And so I was on the phone with

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Speaker 1: him June twenty second for twenty three minutes, telling them

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Speaker 1: everything that I could think of, detailed image. And then

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Speaker 1: they sent me an email on Thursday. They said I

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Speaker 1: could send more stuff to them, but as far as

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Speaker 1: that for me to know anything, they wouldn't be contacting me.

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Speaker 1: Then both of them got a heart wrench and call

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Speaker 1: Friday from Olivia's dad. My stepson called me at nine

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Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, raining and raving. They called me

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Speaker 1: to about the same time, you know, disagreement and the

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Speaker 1: baby's gone. The babies gone first reported missing. Police would

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Speaker 1: eventually find Olivia's body buried in a wooded area hours later. Guys,

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Speaker 1: we are talking about a gorgeous three year old little

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Speaker 1: girl now dead. Joining me in addition to her grandmother,

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Jansen, Ashley Willcott, judge and trial lawyer, her specialty

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Speaker 1: juvenile law anchor Court TV and as she will dot

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Speaker 1: com Ashley way in Okay, Nancy, here's what I want

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Speaker 1: to say. This is a case in which you have

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Speaker 1: lots of different individuals, the father, the girlfriend. He has

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Speaker 1: two homes, so you have different crime scenes. We know

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Speaker 1: what's really important, as always, the chronology. What happened when

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Speaker 1: let's talk about this DCF report. Thank goodness, it was reported.

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Speaker 1: That's the first step. It was assigned for investigation, that's

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Speaker 1: the second step. But here is where we need a

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Speaker 1: chronology to really explain what happened. This child was found

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Speaker 1: dead seventeen days later. Nancy, you know as well as

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Speaker 1: I do, seventeen days. Seventeen days is a lifetime and

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Speaker 1: the life of a child. What did DCF do or

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Speaker 1: more importantly, not do during those seventeen days, That's what

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Speaker 1: I want to know. That's the chronology that I'm concerned about,

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Speaker 1: because I would suggest that given it was seventeen days,

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Speaker 1: things were not done that should have been done. Joining me,

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Jansen, this is Olivia's grandmother who is also seeking justice.

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Speaker 1: And now people in Kansas City, Kansas are actually taking

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Speaker 1: to the streets in protest outside the Department of Children

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Speaker 1: Family Services building with signs I'm looking at them right now.

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Speaker 1: Justice for Olivia, baby girl. We are here for her.

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Speaker 1: Defects failed the children Defacts failed children again. I mean,

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Speaker 1: what will it take until somebody listens how many children

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Speaker 1: have to die when DEFACTS refuses to intervene? Elizabeth Jansen?

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Speaker 1: What is DFACTS saying now? And I'm not blaming them

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Speaker 1: for well, I take it back. I kind of am

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Speaker 1: blaming them for the murder. I know Howard three and

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Speaker 1: as Hinch personal love her are responsible for the death.

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Speaker 1: But in my mind d Facts was part and parcel

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Speaker 1: of it. I don't want to say too much about

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Speaker 1: him because I don't want to jeopardize what we're going

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Speaker 1: through trying to convict them. They dropped the ball. Jesus

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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, Professor forensics, Jacksonville State and author of Blood

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Speaker 1: Beneath My Feet, explain to me how we're going to

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Speaker 1: get a cause of death on this little girl. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what is taking so long as as far

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Speaker 1: as the specific cod on this particular child's death. I

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Speaker 1: think that maybe they're factoring in all of the pre

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Speaker 1: existing maybe trauma that she endured. Remember she's she's been

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Speaker 1: kept away from from her grandmother for some period of time.

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Speaker 1: Those individuals that would be able to look in on her,

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Speaker 1: a check on her, and they're probably trying to marry

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Speaker 1: up a timeline of ongoing abuse. I would imagine that

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Speaker 1: culminated in her death eventually. That's the only thing that

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Speaker 1: I can imagine that's going on. Plus, you know the

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Speaker 1: standard fair where they're waiting on toxicology as well. When

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Speaker 1: you say waiting on toxicology, could you please explain that. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I think that this is a key here in

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Speaker 1: Nancy because of what Grandma had mentioned just a few

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Speaker 1: moments ago, is that there may have been drugs in

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Speaker 1: this household. And we really need to dig deep into

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Speaker 1: that because if there were drugs in this household, you know,

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Speaker 1: he's you know what if drug dealers are after him,

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Speaker 1: But if he's you know, you never know. So you've

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Speaker 1: got these drugs that might be in the household. Was

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Speaker 1: she subjected to these? Were they manufacturing drugs like meth

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Speaker 1: in the household? Was anything else going on? Has she

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Speaker 1: been exposed to anything? And if she had been, then

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Speaker 1: you want to check into her system and see what's

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Speaker 1: going on. Hey, here's another thought too, Maybe she accidentally

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Speaker 1: ingested something and she wound up dying. You never know,

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Speaker 1: because you know, at every turn for this precious little

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Speaker 1: baby is a hazard in this environment. It is a

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Speaker 1: lethal environment when you consider all of the people that

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Speaker 1: dad her dad made a free will choice to associate

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Speaker 1: with and engage in a lifestyle he was engaging in.

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Speaker 1: It put her at risk, not just daily Nancy, but

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Speaker 1: minute to minute Nancy. Yes, jump in Joe Scott Morgan

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Speaker 1: is absolutely correct. Court papers just released say that she

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Speaker 1: was badly injured and it would have been apparent to

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Speaker 1: anyone that saw her that she suffered great physical abuse.

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Speaker 1: The autopsy says that this little three year old girl

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Speaker 1: was covered in bruises from head to toe. Her face,

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Speaker 1: her arms, her legs all covered in bruises. She also

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Speaker 1: had a small cut on the back of her head,

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Speaker 1: and an autopsy revealed significant bleeding on the back of

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Speaker 1: her brain, which caused her death. Stars. I just wanted

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Speaker 1: to add real quickly. Child abuse is a vastly underreported crime,

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Speaker 1: and the reason for that is when neighbors, grandparents, aunt's,

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Speaker 1: uncle's cousins notice signs of abuse, they will typically fear

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Speaker 1: that if they report the abuse that they'll say to themselves, well,

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Speaker 1: maybe I made it up, maybe I'm imagining it. I

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Speaker 1: don't want to get that parent in trouble. What if

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Speaker 1: the child's removed from the home and it ruins the

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Speaker 1: child's life and it's my fault. These are the self

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Speaker 1: proclaimed narratives of people who look the other way and

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Speaker 1: do not report child abuse. So by the time a

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Speaker 1: report if actually lodged with the facts, it is very serious.

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Speaker 1: For every report filed, there are potentially dozens that have

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Speaker 1: not been filed. So the fact that the Facts sat

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Speaker 1: on this did not take it seriously, let so much

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Speaker 1: time pass. As Joe Scott more and so eloquently said,

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Speaker 1: the report was just the tip of the iceberg of

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Speaker 1: other lack of reports of people in the household, drugs

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Speaker 1: coming in and out, money that was owed, jealous stepmother,

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Speaker 1: sociopathic father, and so this was the canarian, the coal mine,

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Speaker 1: the report, and then it slipped through the cracks. That

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Speaker 1: is what the tragedy is about this entire situation. Guys,

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Speaker 1: the biological father, Howard Jansen, and his girlfriend Jacqueline Kirkpatrick

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Speaker 1: are in jail right now, charged not only the first

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Speaker 1: degree murder but other related charges. You know who also

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Speaker 1: ought to be there behind bars, Department of Family and

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Speaker 1: Child Services. That's who we wait as justice unfalls. Nancy

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Speaker 1: Grace crime story, signing off goodbye friend,